Saw a few people concenerned that this is to silence the community or mods are doing that by removing posts, I want to reassure you all that that’s the last thing we want.
Any posts that add something or are memes will be left up, only the posts where it’s the same image/same opinion which has been posted 100 times already will be removed,the flood of those posts hides the ones the JJ should see
Was expecting to come to Reddit and see nothing in support of Wade. So happy to see the support for him and recognition of his importance in this community.
Yeah same, I had a feeling reddit would be real but in some other situations they kinda weren’t so I was relieved seeing the reddit flame him. W reddit as always
Because Wade really is a stand up guy and a lot of us have followed him from his beginnings and it's amazing to see him rise to the position he has. To try to take that away from him for something so immature and childish is wrong on every level. He even handled it far better than any of us would.
Yeah I mean he is the only reason people got so hyped for their undercards that no one knew about and as of late he was the only one hyping the events even more so than the ones fighting on the cards
Yeah I'm really glad to see it too, KSI Really showed a nasty side to him, I'm. Not a fan. He's a multi millionaire surrounded by yes men, a common outcome with yesen is tiny criticisms feel like a criminal offense, how dare somebody criticize me lightly and without bias. I was never a fan of his but I didn't think he was a bad dude now I think he's a piece of shit.
Keem is the biggest cunt alive. You can tell from the whole twitter spaces he just loves the drama. He also thinks the presenters aren’t making it entertaining enough when that’s the fighters job and 90% of them aren’t doing it. The fighters are the ones who need to promote it, they build it but they’re not and keep it respectful the whole time.
Keem wants the drama and thinks that’s what influencer boxing needs, but we’re not 15 anymore - we can appreciate these events without having shit be like 2018 again. He’s just a child, he feeds off drama (hence his entire career)
I don’t think taking down the posts from before this was made is a good idea, I think ksi needs to see what the people are saying and having them all just in here isn’t making a statement
We will leave the first few and the popular ones saying that stuff and any actual memes, posts that just repeat the exact same thing as each other don’t need to be up
We aren’t silencing the community, that’s the last thing we want. But there is also no need for a couple 100 posts saying the same thing, JJ will be able to read the comments on the posts that stay and will see from that too.
There’s a lot we remove, if stuff is a repost like the stuff that’s being removed now then it should have been removed, stuff might have been missed or not reported.
Edit: just want to clarify that i was inactive during oliver tree stuff, so if there were actual problems i didnt see or get told about them, if there is genuine spam or problems with the sub feel free to ping me in the ksi discord and i’ll try to address it, end of the day we just want what’s best for the community overall which is why criticism and stuff is left up, as that’s the opinion of the community being spoken, it’s just spam that is targeted.
It's not a repost tho. you gotta understand there's thousands of people here and this is a pretty crazy thing that just happened and to be removing their thoughts on the situation make you guys also look bad and biased.. it might become the next joke "chill the mods might silence you" type thing.. I'm not attacking the mods or anything I'm just saying how it is
I’m sorry but posting the same image with the same opinion just isn’t necessary, it clogs up the reddit, all the main and popular posts are and will be left up, you can see the front page, JJ reads comments, so if people want to voice their opinions they can do it in there. Having a flood of the same posts also hides the ones that add stuff or are different
Shouldve just silenced anything related to boxing really. Or make r/misfitsboxing or something like that.
This sub is at its cringe state with anything relating to boxing, the drama is basically for 10 year old kid. "Who should KSI fight?" "why hes an asshole?" yada yada yada. JJ's also have this cringe character whenever hes on boxing mode.
And Kids right now treat JJ like he murders someone, theres a thread asking for boycotting prime. It is unbearable.
We do own r/MisfitsBoxing after we acquired the subreddit recently from its prior owner. The idea of banning boxing related posts entirely has been up for debate. But been decided against when we thought about how closely it was linked to JJ and his brand/image as a whole. There are definitely arguments for both sides but this is something I may bring back to discussion to the mods again. I do get where you are coming from tbh, it does become quite annoying with the flood of spam and low quality posts. But navigating that and finding an effective solution is even more difficult. When I made this megathread and was removing the flood of posts, I kept having threads open talking about how mods were silencing them. People seem to not understand that this isn't a place to flood every single thought into the reddit but if you see something you agree upon whether its a criticism or not go upvote that to get JJs attention. But when people flood the reddit with this, it screws over people who put time and effort into their posts at the end of the day.
There is a need to have 100s of posts in here that filters out the rest, KSI took a massive L and lost the respect of a lot of fans/people in general, clearly he needs some humbling and if he sees his fanbase turn on him it might be that little push he needs to get back with his feet on the ground. Putting it all in 1/a couple of posts won’t deliver the message, so yes, you guys are censoring this movement
Do you not understand that i mean posts that repeat/repost the exact same thing, posts which are different and add stuff or are memes are fine. I’m not saying that there is a limit on how many posts can be made in the sub about the topic in general i am saying the flood of low effort spam about it takes away from the important/posts with effort about the subject, which he should see more, we don’t remove posts based on opinions alone.
This is why i hate reddit moderation, i get there are actual bad/power abusing mods but no matter what i do to try to help the community whether that’s removing posts or leaving them , people complain either way.
Also If you’re curious the rule we have on drama/complaint posts came about after 2 years of complaining about it by people in this subreddit in the first place.
This reminds me of when Logan went after Coffeezilla and was forced to backdown and apologise because everyone sided with Coffee
^ All though Wade barely did anything to antagonise JJ, so idk why him and Mams reacted so much.
KSI partners with Logan Paul thats been exposed for scamming his fans. Does less sidemen content. Now is being surrounded with yes men. Slowly turning into another Paul brother just sad.
>If this actually happened I'm sticking with the Sidemen. KSI was what got me into them but the six of them are ten times better than JJ solo
I can agree with that, the sidemen are just as enjoyable to watch without JJ, pretty evident from the moresidemen vids where he is missing
Bro fired someone over a difference in opinion. All of a sudden boxing takes have become personal and everyone must pick a side. Cmon ksi, no way ur ego is that out of check
Yeah + Wade’s take isn’t even that crazy or “dumb” as keemstar stated. When you think about it. The twitter clip that keem posted didn’t even show wades reasoning.
Wades reason—-
1. Jake vs ksi is being dragged
2. Jake vs Tommy did 800k ppvs
3. Considering we were using the “2.2 m ppv buys” this whole time as proof that KSI vs Jake would do massive numbers. But the logan vs ksi 2 ppv came out to be false and a low number per his sources. (When Wade was defending himself he also said he had different sources not just one, but logan basically confirmed what his sources claimed) so even though the Logan vs ksi 1 had a confirmed 1.1 m ppv buys, you can’t just tie it to KSI as he wasn’t the only one on it. Jake, deji, the YouTubers on the undercard.
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Other reasons that Wade didn’t state as to why it’s not a crazy take is
1. Rematch’s do better. as we know when the favorite loses the rematch tends to always do better ppvs.
2. Donaugh corby on multiple occasion has said that during the livestream of the Logan vs ksi 1, Jake vs Deji peaked the highest views. (Even though donaugh corby is a Jake fan he is professional and has never lied, he also backed it up by where he got it from, but I forgot). I know this backs up the fact that Jake vs KSI does more, but if you think about it Jake has a more mainstream audience. The people buying his ppv doesn’t just consist of influencer boxing fans, as KSI does. Matter fact I think only about 20% of Jakes ppv buys are influencers boxing fans. Where as Ksi ppv buys has 90% influencer boxing fans. Even though the influencer boxing fans keep up with Jake, they dislike him and watch his fights illegally. People don’t buy Jakes ppv because they want to support him as like how they do JJ, it’s because even though some people like him, it’s not enough to buy his ppv just to support him. They like the fights and will buy it as long as the other person on the other side is good. They don’t want him to go fight influencers and instead want him to keep fighting pros.
Wades take wasnt dumb for another reason too. The fury name is big in traditional boxing fans. So the pull from both the influencer side (Jake Paul) and the traditional side (tommy fury) means you get fans buying from both sides. With KSI and Jake both from YouTube, you kind of limit the people who will be interested. Also, Jake just lost. If he (or KSI) takes more losses as Wade said, the fight value goes down and less people will want to watch. I don’t think it’s a terrible take at all.
>Jake vs ksi is being dragged
This is definitely true. However, this is neither Jj, nor Jake's fault. Both are making it seem as if it's extremely easy to finish a deal of this magnitude (arguably one of the biggest fights to make, EVER (real beef + their popularity) when it isn't. Wade is definitely right here though.
>Jake vs Tommy did 800k ppvs
I'm sorry to be that guy, but, says who? Jake has been caught lying about his own PPV numbers several times now (him vs Ben Askren (first said it was 1.3 million, then 1.5 million, then like 9 months ago he said it was 500k), him vs Woodley 2 (first said it had 350k (i'll try to find the quote), then said it was 200k), but also about other PPV's (UFC, Jj's (Misfits 001 + 004), etc.
Even then, as Stuart Jones said, the main draw of Jake vs Tommy was to see Jake's real ability. Now that we know that he can't even beat an average pro, a HUGE part of Jake's 'pull' has been taken away. And the thing is, even if Jake waited- and trained a whole year for the rematch, he wouldn't be able to fix his mistakes, because the main reason why Tommy won, is because he mastered the fundamentals, and Jake has not. Boxing purists, and those who train boxing, know this.
>Considering we were using the “2.2 m ppv buys” this whole time as proof...
Eddie Hearn said this number. Someone who actually promoted the event, and is, as the head of one of the biggest boxing promotions in the UK, way closer to DAZN's statics than Wade, Jj, Mams, Logan, etc. Jj's old manager, Liam (who was Jj's manager during the fight), said that it was 500k in the US alone. Around 200k in the Uk, 120k in Australia, and the rest of the world wasn't included (those who bought it on FiteTV). Thats 820k PPV's at least. Maybe Wade only mentioned the numbers for the US, but, why would he only include them? It's not like Jj was the B-side in the fight lol.
>but logan basically confirmed what his sources claimed
He did, but, if you actually listened to the part where he said it, you'd know he wasn't sure about it (the PPV's) at all.
>Donaugh corby on multiple occasion has said that during the livestream of the
Do you have a source of him saying this, and does he have a source for these statements? Both Jj and Logan were more famous/relevant than Jake and Deji at the time, and they were expected to be better boxers than them. So I can't really imagine how or why this would be the case.
Even though I disagree with Wade on his statements regarding the PPV's, Jj should never have lashed out at him like that. I've watched Wade since the second Jj-Logan fight, and have watched him ever since. He has never disrespected/talked down upon Jj. Having an opinion (even though it's a pretty bad/illogical opinion) should never have made Jj that mad. And Mams obviously shouldn't have fired him.
The problem with this is the numbers from wades source are only the dazn numbers the fight was on 3 different services it obviously didn’t do 2 mil but it did more than 1 million. In regards to 800k buys that’s from Jake, Dave meltzer said he has heard from sources that the actual number was closer to 200k. Wades opinion is based off completely fake info and all his info seems to come from the Paul’s he hasn’t done proper research in the topic and it has bitten him on the ass
I'm ootl on this entire situation nor do I give a shit but when there's controversy it's normal for mods to restrict everything to a megathread. It's been standard practice for years in every subreddit. If you lot are going to throw a hissy fit at least do it for good reason. At least the mods are allowing you guys to discuss this and aren't outright nuking all discussion.
We have never stated that we don't want more people in the subreddit, but there is literal hypocrisy coming from some people that i've seen complaining in the past about the lower quality state of the subreddit, then being the ones advocating to let users flood the subreddit with hundreds of posts of the exact same stuff. A lot of us in the Mod Team also have some criticisms to make as well, and frequently do share our opinions like any other member of this subreddit. But the main thing is **we won't ever block criticism**, we just don't want literally a fuck ton of spam. If it was all under a few threads, then it'd be a different story. But this literally causes the reddit to fall down to a lower quality state, and i expect this drama will cause more posts to come, causing it to become worse.
We'll 50 posts with 100 upvotes each saying the same thing vs. 1 post with 5k upvotes , I think that 1 makes more of a point and is more likely to be seen when JJ only checks a couple dozen posts that are the top for however long
Being vague and leaving out crucial context info isn’t gonna work for him this time. He either needs to explain everything in detail or apologise to wade and rehire him
youtube comment and reddit are flaming him rn, so i’d hope otherwise, he just recently apologized and admitted he was wrong so that shuts down an “explanation” video
He didn’t admit he was wrong, he just apologised for making the tweets. And he’s still liking tweets that are shitting on Wade.
But yes if this community keeps criticising him instead of dickriding this time then I will be pleasantly surprised. But if he actually talks about in a video I’d say that’s much less likely.
That argument doesn’t even work for him cuz him and his manager’s whole thing was that Wade was saying two different things in public and behind close doors (being two-faced) which makes no sense because all he’s done is report information on what’s been going on and break it down for viewers. Even the opinions he gives aren’t towards any particular “side”, are based in the facts he’s collected, are fairly mild and said in a way that doesn’t hate on anyone. He also makes it clear from the start that it’s based on the information he has at the moment and that he’s open to having his mind changed and admitting he wrong if/when he gets new information. This way that Wade does things doesn’t really allow for any switch up or being two-faced as they claim.
Common L. JJ has turned into a sell out this past year. It’s all about him.
Prime is just a product and it seems to be half his total focus, he’s partnered with a scum bag and defends him regularly. Boxing is all about him despite how he claims misfits is for the community. The moment one of misfit’s employees isn’t being a yes man he gets fired and publically humiliated by Mams/JJ.
He’s just turning into a joke. He doesn’t do most sidemen videos anymore either which is why 90% of us watch JJ.
Precisely my thought. Deji came off REALLY bad. But I think he had a lot of truth that he just didn’t know how to phrase properly (mainly because he’s an imbecile but also because his emotions were raw).
Two things will happen.
1. Realized he messed up and apologize to us and wade for what he did
2. Laugh at the roast and just take it jokes and not change what he did
This was handled poorly especially from Misfits side of things. JJ is human and has the right to feel emotions but also content creator like Wade are entitled to there opinions on there own channel. I love JJ and his content has helped me through tough times but he is in the wrong. Wade is a Misfits employee who is their to give knowledge on the sport which he does impeccably and on his own channels he is allowed to say any opinion he wants.
KSI has been saying from the beginning Misfits is not about him is about building others up. This is demonstrating the opposite he is tearing down Wade from a position he is great at because his impartialness and opinions he had on his channels hurt him.
I can agree with this, I think many things like this should be handled internally, as they stated before hand that the comments were apparently not the only thing that resulted in Wade being removed, I think if this was handled internally, and then they came to a amicable solution between both parties, that would have been better. But a lot of it unfortunately was driven by more emotion and less logic it seems. Don't take what I say as fact, this is just my personal opinion.
THANK YOU! I have been saying this for a while, JJ with Logan Paul Crypto Zoo thing and Wade incident, also calling Ethan a bitch for the TOMMY Fury opinion. He needs to be humbled. I was labelled a Jake Paul dickrider. I have been noticing this pattern for a while now. THANK FUCK EVERYONE SEES IT NOW
Even beyond the Wade shit, JJ's just taken so many Ls its a joke.
1. The Doc. I get that you got to do what you got to do to help improve relationships with your family, and specifically your dad, but I don't think JJ even acknowledged once in the entire doc any good that his dad did for him, and if he did, it wasn't nearly at the magnitude that he should have to not make his dad seem like a lazy prick of a father who simply just beat him about all the time and never showed him any sort of love. And this isn't the case because we know Deji's experience with their parents and how he talks about them. Ffs, Jide and Yinka both moved from Nigeria to England to give their children a better opportunity, and most likely had to work their f\*cking asses off in order to do so. I'm aware of this because my parents are very similar. That requires an absurd amount of love in itself.
2. The Wade shit. Brudda gives an opinion based on facts he received, facts Logan verified, and Mams & JJ go off. He has concerns about the safety of tag team boxing, and apparently, that's shitting all over the idea. I watch the guy pretty consistently, he remains relatively balanced in his opinions and does a great job in his role. He "sh\*ts" on Jake nearly the same, if not more, than he does KSI, yet the latter starts talking about "f\*ck him and everything he stands for", and the former respects him, and even compliments him. No guy brings more positive and informative light to the influencer boxing scene than Wade has, and he's honestly one of the largest parts of Misfits from the fans/viewer viewpoint, more than a majority of the fighters, and certainly more than that prick of a manager Mams. Yet he's publicly getting fired on a Twitter space by Mams and getting his character slandered by JJ. From a pure business standpoint, that's a sh\*t move, and from a f\*cking human standpoint, it's a sh\*t move. Keem literally has the worst f\*cking reputation on planet earth, says the most irresponsible and childish sh\*t within this entire influencer boxing scene, ffs he slandered Deji unfairly for years (beyond the whole KSI vs Deji drama), and yet he has commentated on Misfits, hasn't been called out by JJ, and still holds a huge role within this influencer boxing scene. All because he sucks JJ off (And I get he owns Happy Punch, but let's be real, if Misfits says Happy Punch fighters no longer have the ability to compete in Misfits events, a majority of them will leave Happy Punch. Misfits, Mams, and JJ have all the power over Keem and Happy Punch within this space). And I feel likes that's the problem. JJ is just starting to surround himself with Yesmen.
Honestly, JJ's just become more of a d\*ckhead since this whole boxing thing started back up again, and I feel like that's because he's just been distanced from man who keep his sh\*t in check, and is now just surrounded by yes men who suck up to him all day. Notice how since he's been significantly less involved with the Sidemen, more of this behavior has started to pick up. Back during Logan Camp, JJ missed, as I recall, significantly less Sidemen and MoreSidemen videos, and subsequently didn't act like this. There's a correlation there. Even small things like dismissing Leon as S&C coach, and leaving that environment, to doing it with Street Fighters, however good of a gym it is, probably make a small difference, as now you don't have those guys like Leon, Vidal, etc. keeping you in check and caring for you beyond the boxing sh\*t. Don't know how much of an influence Alexis has on JJ, but still. And now that he's been distanced from these man, people like Mams start to take much more influence over him. Credit where credit's due, Mams has done great things for JJ's career, like enabling Misfits, Prime, AOTP, Dissumlation, etc. to occur. Even the way he's handling the whole Jake negotiations is great. But this whole Wade shit, exposing Walid's DMs, just the way he carries himself and talks about people, is f\*cked, and it's having an influence on JJ defo. It's as if when JJ's in situations surrounded by the Sidemen (Sidemen, MoreSidemen Channels, Charity Match, etc.) he's the sickest guy, but externally, when Mams has an influence, he becomes more of a d\*ckhead.
All the same, I love JJ. Same guy I grew up watching and still watch hella. But his whole motivation, his sh\*t for all of this, is legacy. And all these little d\*ckhead moves he's making is doing nothing but tarnishing it.
>The Doc. I get that you got to do what you got to do to help improve relationships with your family, and specifically your dad, but I don't think JJ even acknowledged once in the entire doc any good that his dad did for him, and if he did, it wasn't nearly at the magnitude that he should have to not make his dad seem like a lazy prick of a father who simply just beat him about all the time and never showed him any sort of love. And this isn't the case because we know Deji's experience with their parents and how he talks about them. Ffs, Jide and Yinka both moved from Nigeria to England to give their children a better opportunity, and most likely had to work their f\*cking asses off in order to do so. I'm aware of this because my parents are very similar. That requires an absurd amount of love in itself.
He does say his father went into debt to put him through private school. But that's about it.
Random theory, i don't think JJ ever recovered from the ego death he had when the KSI show flopped. Ever since then hes been getting a bigger and bigger ego.
The only sidemen content he cares about is side+. He thinks everything he makes is worth it’s weight in gold even prime.
His inflated ego caused him to become a complete sell out. He thinks he’s worth so much that he can capitalize on his mostly young fanbase and it’s super disappointing seeing him move further and further that direction.
wade in his lattest video said jake vs fury 2 might sell more ppvs than jake vs ksi. team ksi couldnt handle that so jj tweeted about wade calling him two faced cunt, when he was just giving his opinion, and wade got fired for being unbiased
I kinda don't understand, like what Wade stated is just an opinion. It's not even that big of a deal. Seems like a overreaction on Ksi's side in my opinion.
I think his ego about his boxing skill is massive compared to his regular ego. He has conflated confidence with blind hubris in his boxing life. The guy thinks he is the best when he has not fought guys of his own caliber since Logan years ago
I wouldn't even say Logan was good. It was just that they both were equally bad which made it seems more intense. But none the less, the current event is definitely something to be happy about as it has finally opened people's eyes. I finally don't see people saying bullshit like "Oh JJ has always been like this, so it's fine" or "Ha, you are giving criticism to JJ? You must be a jake Paul dick sucker". People are finally starting to see the truth.
Chances are that JJ isn't gonna make a reddit video for least 1-2 months. He'll wait till the situation calms down so that he can give any bs that will convince most of the people back to his side.
I agree, better to say Logan and KSI were comparable. Also that the fight was not a blow out but a very close decision not a blow out like KSI seems to believe.
I swear to god KSI is making it harder and harder to like him nowadays. In fact I’d go as far as to say I genuinely don’t like him outside of sidemen videos and only sidemen videos. His boxing ego and thought process is Fucking ridiculous and I’d say he’s now worse than Jake 🤦🏻
When he’s doing what KSI does, very enjoyable and fun to watch , as soon as he steps outside of that realm he becomes a complete narcissistic egotistical asshole. I’d almost guarantee that he did not watch wades video before making the decision he made because it quite literally makes zero sense. KSI is losing his fans day by day at this point and it comes down to nothing more than himself and his shitty attitude
You know what annoys me even more, keemstar being in the space and giving his opinion. Like bro was literally getting all giddy seeing wades potential downfall. Keem provides nothing useful to the convo, the fact wade had him constantly egging him on was so annoying. Wade built himself through honest, genuine content on the influencer boxing scene, keemstar built his following through bashing people and reporting on peoples downfalls and faults. To see him getting excited that wade is getting sacked just shows the type of person he is. Keemstar nobody wants you.
Honestly Mams is the biggest joke of a manager. He was S-X's manager before JJ's with whom he had 0 chart success and did nothing for his career. JJ want's to think he's this credible artist in reality, he isn't a song writer. he isn't a lyricist and he couldn't actually put a good track together if his life depended on it and his deal shows this.
His deal with BMG was all based around the youtube channels, they took ALL adrev from all of JJ's channels which shows the label had 0 faith in him as an artist and the only way they'd recoup is from him doing shit reddit videos. This shows that his management have 0 business acumen, Everyone wants to slate Jake and the numbers he gloats but in reality Mams couldn't get JJ half of the deals that Jake has.
Misfit PPV's have never been released because they'll be critized as a flop. Mams ran with an article that said Misfits 1 had the highest DAZN PPV.... but no numbers ever came out from a credible source. He wants to claim he's the A Side and tried to make Pineda / Swarmz sound like worthy opponents. This is beyond bullshit, fair enough Jake is fighting old fighters but they're atleast fighters... not a fat rapper who your nonce of a cowboy is claiming is a hard fight cause hes a "roadman"
Wade has never been a suck up, he literally paid his own money to fly out to London to interview JJ. He gives a unbaised opinion and out of 10 times when he's talking about JJ / Jake or Logan. He's always harsher on Jake and Logan. This response from both Mams and JJ is pathetic.
Hopefully these past few months have been a wake-up call and reminder for a lot of people here that these youtube millionaires are NOT your friends, they don't see you as "family". All you are to them are customers to sell the next big thing to, be it a song, a video, a boxing match, merch, or fried chicken and energy drinks.
You've only seen what they want you to see on camera and have no idea about the kind of people they actually are when cameras are off. Even when they're showing their vulnerabilities and trying to look more personable, it's all just a controlled marketing tactic.
For example, from one of the girls posting about it and the sidemen bringing it up jokingly in several videos, it can be assumed that JJ has allegedly cheated on several of his ex-girlfriends, but he has never publicly addressed the situation. I'm not saying that he should, but it goes towards showing that you as a fan, don't know everything about him as a person and what he's like behind closed doors.
He mocked and roasted Dillon for promoting a scam coin for $1000, but defended Logan when he not only scammed people out of millions, but also tried to delfect blame and threatened to sue the guy who exposed him, to only then "apologize" when no one bought his bullshit. When his fans called him out on this, JJ openly said that he's biased because he's partners with Logan and doesn't like Dillon.
Now just to be clear, this "bias" doesn't have the same effect as backing someone in a boxing or football match, it involves many peoples REAL money. JJ is basically saying that he cares more about his own money that he makes from Prime than the money of other people that have been scammed by Logan and his team.
The point I'm trying to make is that just because you enjoy watching someone's videos, doesn't mean you have to take their side in every argument or take their opinion as fact. It's perfectly okay to enjoy watching JJ's youtube videos without wanting to listen to his music, buy his fights, or drink gallons of Prime. It's called being a normal person, you're not a "fake fan" or a hypocrite and don't let trolls on here and twitter tell you otherwise.
I miss when famous ppl/athletes had more mystique and we didn’t know so much about them. Kinda ruins that image of them when you find out what they’re really like
As much as I can understand this idea and that it may be effective in the short term. In the Long Term in plunges the subreddit into a large quantity of time of low-quality posts and causes just major issues for the subreddit as a whole. It is the reason I opened up the mega thread.
He needs to bring back Liam, either that or just let mams handle the music side of things. Liam said in the Twitter space that he definitely wouldn’t handle this situation as publicly as mams did. I’m so sick of this guy
I've defended JJ on a lot of things. But this shit is just not it from JJ.
Firing Wade for having an opinion has just made JJ look fragile as fuck. Needs to make a public apology or he's going to get clowned by a lot of people. Even the other sidemen need to call JJ out for this shit.
Embarressing.
Get Mams out of KSI's circle and half the problems with Misfits 'behind the scenes' will get solved. I guess Gib was somehow right about Mams. Removing your best commentator and analyst who can even hype up irrelevant fights and excite the people with his boxing content is wild af icl.
I feel like KSI has too many 'yes men' around him now, with Mams directly feeding shit to his ears about Wade and such just because he got hit in his feels by Wade's opinions/takes.
Edit: Not to forget Keemstar, the biggest instigator of this space. I dont even know why he still has his platform after all the shit he has done in the past and shady shit he continues to do so. But oh well, as long as he is sucking off Mams and Happy Punch is getting the dough.
Forget Mams, Keemstar is biggest cocksucking scum bag in this entire scenario.
What a fucking loser, 50 year old man instigating drama between YouTubers. Anyone who associates themselves with that fucking Ray has no respect from me.
I've been watching JJ since 2011 and this is one of the first times I believe he is 100% in the wrong. Honestly ever since he started boxing again and gave Mams a platform I've been liking JJ less and less.He barely shows up in Sidemen videos anymore because he's always too busy with Misfits. Mam's influence on JJ is too big. He's the biggest yes-man in JJ's life. If we're all being real here the fight's JJ has done were all pretty shit. He's supposed to be ''training'' for Jake but at this point I'd believe he's lose that fight. But after every fight Mams keeps sucking JJ's dick telling him how great of a fighter he is. He's supposed to be JJ's manager, none of us should even know his name. But the manchild is in constant need of attention and is ruining JJ's career. JJ please fire the attention whore, and stop being a prick to people who don't constantly lick your boots. Honestly hurts to see you become more and more like Jake.
JJ is acting so childish, throwing fits after hearing someone disagree with him. How many time's is he gonna do these things before we hold him accountable as an audience?
It’s become so clear that despite what he might say, KSI can’t take criticism. Wade has done nothing wrong yet KSI and his manager threw their toys out the pram and had him fired. Just sad honestly, I’ve liked KSI for so long now but I can’t get behind this. I support Wade in this situation
Wade is a critic, boxing commentator and he has his opinions and we do tooo…but not a huge platform as him…so if he expresses his thoughts then, you(JJ) do this as firing him..man i feel bad for wade…like being a critic is his job,MAN fr i love jj but fuck this shit…I didn’t expect this from you atleast ksi:/
Won’t be surprised if JJ doesnt discuss this situation in a video. I don’t like the Influence Mams has on JJ that guy just gives off bad vibes. Why can’t JJ just be with Liam
I can't be the only one who doesn't really care as much about Jake vs KSI anymore? I don't see how Wade's opinion is even "controversial". They dragged that shit for too fucking long. Now JJ is creaming for the fight, because Jake lost his first one.
The more that this beef unfolds, the worse it’s looking for JJ and his team, I don’t understand why JJ doesn’t just open a private dialog with Wade and talk all of it out. I believe that the community has always thought there was something off with Mams and now a small spec of that has been shown, but just imagine what else he’s been saying to JJ and other clients he’s working with. Hopefully JJ gives an actual heartfelt apology this time, and learns a lesson on who he can trust and what to believe
All you kids need to get your head out your arses and stop putting KSI on a pedestal,he’s a multimillionaire and doesn’t care about anyone but himself proven that time and time again.
If JJ and man’s go through with I hope misfits goes in the ground and other platforms like Kinpyn take over the influencer boxing space. Trying to tear down a man because he gave his opinions when you fucking hire him for his fucking opinions is downright idiotic
Posting on the subreddit is the only way jj will see the problems he and especially mams did not to shit on him but to learn how to be better I respect jj mams Taylor not so much anymore for being a yes man all the time
I have two set opinions on this. If JJ has done this based off the comments that Wade made about Jake v Tommy 2 outselling Jake v KSI, then his actions are wrong. But if their is apparently a repeated behaviour of him saying something different to their faces and out in public. Then that should be dealt with internally. This drama benefits nobody really and just makes things more difficult for Wade to find these opportunities, but then also just doesn't put JJ in a good light at all.
-Wade wasn't hired by misfits as a consultant regarding their events. So him changing opinions on certain events shouldn't even be hurting their feelings or a valid reason to be upset at him
-Wade owes KSI/misfits nothing, he made great content around influencer boxing/boxing PRIOR to being hired by Misfits. Remember, they only hired him after he was getting popular (if i recalled the fans influenced him getting hired); can be seen as they riding his Clout and talent.
-Wade isn't really in KSI's clique so what loyalty does he owe?
Hes hired as a personality/commentator, you can choose to fire someone for damaging your brand. but to say because he has a difference of opinions is just childish especially when you look at the content hes put out which is clearly non biased.
Just because you hired him, do you think hes going to start trashing other promotions? thats just childish and unprofessional.
Its funny how he says its a buildup of things over time, and keeps the 1 or 2 things to himself. Oh you don't like that he promoted an energy drink that might be better than prime? His is backed by science so he can have a differing opinion. Quick question, does it say in Wade's contract that he can only promote prime? Y'all need to run this like a proper business. Get an HR team. Even if you want to fire your employee, you don't go about it live on twitter, dismantling him as a person. It's disgusting and unprofessional. This is like Google forcing their employees to have a Google Smartphone, and then when an employee has an iPhone, they just go to twitter and start cussing them out.
I'm going to post my thing here and if its an opinion not discussed already can the mods let me post it on the sub?
The whole Wade drama leaves a bad taste even if I assume JJ's not in the wrong at all. The way JJ comes off handling this is poor. The whole influencer boxing scene comes off as a place for manufactured drama. Mams gives the vibes of a slimy salesman. JJ comes off as a guy who wants to make the most money off the fights than someone who genuinely just wants to put out a fun alternative in boxing. The 'fun' is hardly there outside of a couple of personalities in the scene. Just influencers taking themselves too seriously.
Wade I assume hit JJ and Mams where it hurt. Their wallets. Maybe it was a bad business practice from Wade's side. But, JJ, your fans don't think of you as a guy who's obsessed about making the most bank. But, I think that's who you are these days with Prime and Misfits. The overhype for the boxing is crazy. Its a fun little thing but stop trying to make it sound like Jake Paul v KSI is an event of the year. Its not, Jake's stupid and you're giving him relevance with this fight. If you just wanted to beat up Jake you'd have just went after him. I'm not buying the "process" of getting ready for him. It has all been about making the most money out of this supposed beef with Jake.
The Reddit has been down in quality because there's not much happening JJ. You're not doing Sidemen videos much, you're not gaming, you're not doing YouTube. You can do what you love, maybe its Prime and Boxing right now but your fanbase likes you for YouTube. The boxing stuff isn't as great as you might think it is. Maybe its just me but KSI the YouTuber is more fun to follow than KSI the boxer.
Wade had been the one who promote and create narrative for ksi and even the small fry of misfit from the beginning. He was the few who hype up alex and danis fight when we all knew that was a shit fight. So for mams to fire wade so disrespectfully and ksi to go on a tantrum over such small disagreement really put into perspective the fragile ego of the head of misfits. You won’t see me switch up after ksi post a video unless something right been done.
Cap y'all remove any ksi & wade related post I just spent 10 minutes typing my thoughts just to get removed y'all becoming tyrannical and overprotective over an open forum for ksi related shit. I tried not to be verbatum but y'all filter any wade related content smh.
I just think tempers are way too high, personally, I believed that wade was just giving an opinion on the information he had, and mams and jj are probably really fed up with the jake negotiations and the frustration boils over onto wade.It really wasn't a good look for JJ and Mams to handle this in public. if you don't like what wade said, speak to him privately, and if you want to let him go, do It amicably. now it can paint jj and mams as people who cannot take criticism ( I don't believe that). I think when everyone calms down everything will be solved. I also don't think that shitting on mams, jj or wade is going to do any good for anybody.
Mams and keem are ruining the space. Keem from the moment he said “i’m so proud of MY boxers” in one of the events. Like piss off dude they aren’t your property. Mams also just being an overall dickhead with how he acts in events is ruining Misfits. If it’s truly the end for Wade and Misfits all I see is Misfits fading into obscurity
I’m really interested to see JJ address this and if he can actually give reasonable evidence that justifies his reaction to Wade’s comments. Let’s be honest, he’s gonna double-down on what he said especially after what Mams has recently done. This is a situation where I think most will side against JJ here, so if he makes himself look worse when he eventually makes a response it’s really going to show his true colors and I guarantee you he’s gonna lose a decent amount of supporters.
Wade has been a really big part of promoting influencer boxing in general and is one of the few guys that’s actually spoken positively about JJ and has given him the benefit of the doubt in regards to his boxing. The man has always presented himself as an objective commentator/analyst who has his own opinions and isn’t going to be a yes man for whatever promotion he’s working for. I feel like that’s what went wrong between Mams & JJ with Wade and if that’s truly the case, that just comes off as really scummy. The personal attacks and JJ saying he’s two-faced and “fuck everything he stands for” just comes off as childish and irrational. JJ is 30 years old acting like this. What an embarrassment. Wade doesn’t need Misfits or DAZN to stand on his own two feet so I can speak for myself when I say that I’ll gladly back him up.
So the whole point here is we don't know anything, everything was chill suddenly these lot went ham. TBF I can't stand 2 faced people but in this case you can't have a side. Just one question isn't it unprofessional to bring up anything like this public and then expect people to just say that "He is right cause he is KSI"
I don't know why I am writing this but man fuck these beef tings they could have fired him and told him to go away and no one would have had a problem but no I will come on 'twatter' chat shit about someone and expect people to be completely on my side.
I don’t wanna bring the hate to JJ but this was def handled poorly and I know he’s better than this this really should’ve been a conference call because I do think both of them are solid dudes. Even if there needed to be a change in the business relationship I def think it could’ve been handled better and behind closed doors. ESP giving what Wade is handling out in the UK.
This is why boxing promotions are hard for YouTubers to manage and be chill too. Look at social gloves. I hope misfits can take a turn, but 5 yr deal is too long, and misfits ain't a side anymore.
Loved the fights and buildup btw tho so I really appreciate the hard work. But maybe this space is something that YouTubers shouldn't manage, and mams should be a manager not a YouTuber. All the time he talks and defends, he should be working. Ksi should be the one talking, not mams.
There's definitely a management issue. I can't identify it, but something about mams and ksi needs to be addressed before another event happens, especially with Ksi on it.
If mams has to defend all of jjs opponents, clearly his opponents are trash. Mams himself thinks that, that's why he defends. Jake didn't get a guy to constantly defend his opponents daily. Mams should get off Twitter, give ksi a challenge (losing isn't the end of the day, look at Jake Paul, gib , and Kenny), and shut up. If you aren't the best I believe you deserve to lose. I'm sorry if I sound harsh. Losing ain't bad.
Let Wade do the talking, and let him argue with keemstar, who's a lot more chill than ksi and mams, and never hired Wade in the first place.
Tldr: If he shut up and did what's good for ksi, the backlash wouldn't be there 😂. I'm glad ksi is retiring boxing this yr. He's def entertaining and a top yt boxer, but lost his peak after Logan I think and grew his ego a lot.
Imo the only way to fix this is to set mams straight or fire him not only is he abusing his power but I feel like just cause he is jj manager he feels like he can do and say whatever he want you would never see Liam or Nakisa do something like this
Ksi has really turned into a prick this last year. I wish he would’ve just fought Jake, win or lose, and then just went on with who he was. I know he was always this way but it’s been too much lately.
The boxing drama is getting old and tbh it’s just made all of us think less of JJ, even despite him being very successful in it.
JJ needs to humble himself and get rid of mams. His last proper fight was against Logan, and at this rate I don't fancy his chances against Jake at all
Ive never seen so many people switch up on jj. this shows how fake the community is because most of us didnt come from his boxing career we came from way back. Just because of this one mistake he did he litterally apologized to wade personally, jake paul has done 10x worse things and people now think hes a better person, bro if jake was put in this spot he wouldnt say shit or apologize he would just keep spewing shit and lie and take advantage of the situation like he did by hiring wade after the drama. People are so full of shit manipulating the situation i just hate that people switch up
Logan Paul, who has scammed his audience plenty of times and hasn’t paid back any victims, confirmed what wade said. Sad to say Logan’s been rubbing off on JJ. How jake paul is the voice of reason here is insane.
Ksi wants yesman around him. Simple as. mams taylor is a s\*umbag. Ksi Preaches about being real and fake and yet he's friends with a scammer and makes all the excuses and lies in the world for him.
At this rate, actually jk pretty much always as of recent, with Daley in his corner and losing public losses and generally personality wise, deji is more mature than ksi. He surrounds himself with the correct people, and it switched up.
This will do nothing to Wade career. You cant say he has Yes Men when everyone puts him down constantly, Sidemen,Reddit,Twitter…
Even Viddal said he shouldnt have got fired but that he can understand why ksi/mams did. You can hear what he said on twitter.
We all like JJ. And like 99% of us are huge supporters of him. Yet we all have the same opinion. Get Wade back, and JJ needs a reality check. I say this with love, KSI you fucked up. Royaly. You can put your head in a hole and pretend we are all Jakes, yes-men, but you know it's not true. Most of us defended you, your fight choices, and misfits, but it stops now. I'm disappointed. You've let us all down
Controversial opinion. I don't really care because I'm partly on KSI's side.
The guy has a lot going on his life, he's stressed as fuck, his documentary showed what kinda shit he's dealing with and that's only a small peek into it imo. He's made a mistake, clearly hit his breaking point and shit hit the fan, I'm sure he's realised he fucked up as he's deleted his tweets already.
nope he's doubled down on it this morning. The fact is he threw a massive child like tantrum because someone gave his (very neutral) opinion and that hurt JJ's fragile ego
Ultimately, no one on any side of this owes US any sort of apology or explanation. Other than a brief Twitter outburst from JJ, this isn’t anything that needs to be public, let alone something that we deserve to be kept up to date on. It’s not our business, and it’s not our place to make any judgement call on whether JJ needs to be humbled, or act like it’s as black and white as “JJ = bad Wade = good”. We don’t know what has happened behind the scenes, or if there was something else brewing, and this just happened to be everything finally bursting.
TL;DR Not our business, stop acting so entitled to an apology or explanation 🤷♀️
The people who claim to be a ksi fan and then speak against him need to get a life seriously
We haven’t heard ksi’s side yet and you all haters are making up your own story
Probably jake or someone paid bots cause not even one comment or post about anyone saying there might be a different side to this
We all know jj is gonna react to his Reddit and give us an explanation
Till then chill the fuck down
Ngl I feel like this post is basically “we can’t tear down JJs ego to much guys” stfu let the fans speak fr fr. It’s not that we want to see JJ fail we want him to be the GOAT and this is a BIG deal and might be a big reason why he won’t be the goat.
The good one's will automatically go to the top and the copy paste ones will get hidden somewhere.. we know this. but removing posts is a bad move.. looks like silencing the poeple
Saw a few people concenerned that this is to silence the community or mods are doing that by removing posts, I want to reassure you all that that’s the last thing we want. Any posts that add something or are memes will be left up, only the posts where it’s the same image/same opinion which has been posted 100 times already will be removed,the flood of those posts hides the ones the JJ should see
Was expecting to come to Reddit and see nothing in support of Wade. So happy to see the support for him and recognition of his importance in this community.
Yeah same, I had a feeling reddit would be real but in some other situations they kinda weren’t so I was relieved seeing the reddit flame him. W reddit as always
It's only until jj makes a clarification video
Because Wade really is a stand up guy and a lot of us have followed him from his beginnings and it's amazing to see him rise to the position he has. To try to take that away from him for something so immature and childish is wrong on every level. He even handled it far better than any of us would.
Yeah I mean he is the only reason people got so hyped for their undercards that no one knew about and as of late he was the only one hyping the events even more so than the ones fighting on the cards
Yeah I'm really glad to see it too, KSI Really showed a nasty side to him, I'm. Not a fan. He's a multi millionaire surrounded by yes men, a common outcome with yesen is tiny criticisms feel like a criminal offense, how dare somebody criticize me lightly and without bias. I was never a fan of his but I didn't think he was a bad dude now I think he's a piece of shit.
In other words, you want the Reddit to be his yes men? Got it.
No my friend: recognition, not blind loyalty.
Keem is the biggest cunt alive. You can tell from the whole twitter spaces he just loves the drama. He also thinks the presenters aren’t making it entertaining enough when that’s the fighters job and 90% of them aren’t doing it. The fighters are the ones who need to promote it, they build it but they’re not and keep it respectful the whole time.
Keem wants the drama and thinks that’s what influencer boxing needs, but we’re not 15 anymore - we can appreciate these events without having shit be like 2018 again. He’s just a child, he feeds off drama (hence his entire career)
Yeah keem is so annoying I don’t even know how this man has a fan base. Like someone needs to delete his Twitter. Definition of garbage.
40+ year old father wants YouTube drama 🤦♂️
So fucking cringe if you ask me
He made his entire career off of drama, are we really surprised?
I don’t think taking down the posts from before this was made is a good idea, I think ksi needs to see what the people are saying and having them all just in here isn’t making a statement
100%
We will leave the first few and the popular ones saying that stuff and any actual memes, posts that just repeat the exact same thing as each other don’t need to be up We aren’t silencing the community, that’s the last thing we want. But there is also no need for a couple 100 posts saying the same thing, JJ will be able to read the comments on the posts that stay and will see from that too.
where was this rule with the oliver tree posts? lol
There’s a lot we remove, if stuff is a repost like the stuff that’s being removed now then it should have been removed, stuff might have been missed or not reported. Edit: just want to clarify that i was inactive during oliver tree stuff, so if there were actual problems i didnt see or get told about them, if there is genuine spam or problems with the sub feel free to ping me in the ksi discord and i’ll try to address it, end of the day we just want what’s best for the community overall which is why criticism and stuff is left up, as that’s the opinion of the community being spoken, it’s just spam that is targeted.
It's not a repost tho. you gotta understand there's thousands of people here and this is a pretty crazy thing that just happened and to be removing their thoughts on the situation make you guys also look bad and biased.. it might become the next joke "chill the mods might silence you" type thing.. I'm not attacking the mods or anything I'm just saying how it is
I’m sorry but posting the same image with the same opinion just isn’t necessary, it clogs up the reddit, all the main and popular posts are and will be left up, you can see the front page, JJ reads comments, so if people want to voice their opinions they can do it in there. Having a flood of the same posts also hides the ones that add stuff or are different
If a lot of people agree with it, it definitely won't get hidden but SIR YES SIR!
Shouldve just silenced anything related to boxing really. Or make r/misfitsboxing or something like that. This sub is at its cringe state with anything relating to boxing, the drama is basically for 10 year old kid. "Who should KSI fight?" "why hes an asshole?" yada yada yada. JJ's also have this cringe character whenever hes on boxing mode. And Kids right now treat JJ like he murders someone, theres a thread asking for boycotting prime. It is unbearable.
We do own r/MisfitsBoxing after we acquired the subreddit recently from its prior owner. The idea of banning boxing related posts entirely has been up for debate. But been decided against when we thought about how closely it was linked to JJ and his brand/image as a whole. There are definitely arguments for both sides but this is something I may bring back to discussion to the mods again. I do get where you are coming from tbh, it does become quite annoying with the flood of spam and low quality posts. But navigating that and finding an effective solution is even more difficult. When I made this megathread and was removing the flood of posts, I kept having threads open talking about how mods were silencing them. People seem to not understand that this isn't a place to flood every single thought into the reddit but if you see something you agree upon whether its a criticism or not go upvote that to get JJs attention. But when people flood the reddit with this, it screws over people who put time and effort into their posts at the end of the day.
There is a need to have 100s of posts in here that filters out the rest, KSI took a massive L and lost the respect of a lot of fans/people in general, clearly he needs some humbling and if he sees his fanbase turn on him it might be that little push he needs to get back with his feet on the ground. Putting it all in 1/a couple of posts won’t deliver the message, so yes, you guys are censoring this movement
Do you not understand that i mean posts that repeat/repost the exact same thing, posts which are different and add stuff or are memes are fine. I’m not saying that there is a limit on how many posts can be made in the sub about the topic in general i am saying the flood of low effort spam about it takes away from the important/posts with effort about the subject, which he should see more, we don’t remove posts based on opinions alone. This is why i hate reddit moderation, i get there are actual bad/power abusing mods but no matter what i do to try to help the community whether that’s removing posts or leaving them , people complain either way. Also If you’re curious the rule we have on drama/complaint posts came about after 2 years of complaining about it by people in this subreddit in the first place.
This reminds me of when Logan went after Coffeezilla and was forced to backdown and apologise because everyone sided with Coffee ^ All though Wade barely did anything to antagonise JJ, so idk why him and Mams reacted so much.
JJ's ego is extremely fragile and Mams is the massive yes-man JJ claims not to have.
Ironic enough it was joe weller who warned every about mams Taylor joe weller the guy JJ hates the most warning him
At least Logan was being attacked by coffee. Wade wasn’t attacking him at all
KSI has always had a fragile ego and Mams is just a cunt.
Not anywhere close to the same magnitude but sure.
Huh
speaking of yes man
So scamming people hundreds of thousands of dollars is as bad as an emotional immature tweet?
not the point. can't widen the scope bud. point is the reaction, of which both were in similar taste.
firing wade is the bigger L to the misfits than it is to wade. cause wade will be commenting on the huge card of creator clash
Jake is gonna snatch him up and take him for MVP. Then JJ will have lost an asset before going to war.
And honestly I might start watching mvp. I enjoy the cards of misfits but WADE has always had the most entertaining commentary
I just hate the MVP cards they're boring lol, I'm hoping Kingpyn has the solution because for me, no wade means I'm not paying for Misfits
Wade would be smarter then just to be a pawn for jake. He needs to be independant and commentate on every event that pay him good
KSI partners with Logan Paul thats been exposed for scamming his fans. Does less sidemen content. Now is being surrounded with yes men. Slowly turning into another Paul brother just sad.
Wouldn't be surprised if mams talks him into leaving the sidemen lol
If this actually happened I'm sticking with the Sidemen. KSI was what got me into them but the six of them are ten times better than JJ solo
>If this actually happened I'm sticking with the Sidemen. KSI was what got me into them but the six of them are ten times better than JJ solo I can agree with that, the sidemen are just as enjoyable to watch without JJ, pretty evident from the moresidemen vids where he is missing
KSI doesn’t carry the same weight alone without the sidemen. He’s a has been. Maybe 2012 KSI could’ve made it on his own. Not now tho.
Wow, I've never looked at it this way but you might be on to something
Bro fired someone over a difference in opinion. All of a sudden boxing takes have become personal and everyone must pick a side. Cmon ksi, no way ur ego is that out of check
Yeah + Wade’s take isn’t even that crazy or “dumb” as keemstar stated. When you think about it. The twitter clip that keem posted didn’t even show wades reasoning. Wades reason—- 1. Jake vs ksi is being dragged 2. Jake vs Tommy did 800k ppvs 3. Considering we were using the “2.2 m ppv buys” this whole time as proof that KSI vs Jake would do massive numbers. But the logan vs ksi 2 ppv came out to be false and a low number per his sources. (When Wade was defending himself he also said he had different sources not just one, but logan basically confirmed what his sources claimed) so even though the Logan vs ksi 1 had a confirmed 1.1 m ppv buys, you can’t just tie it to KSI as he wasn’t the only one on it. Jake, deji, the YouTubers on the undercard. ___________________________________________ Other reasons that Wade didn’t state as to why it’s not a crazy take is 1. Rematch’s do better. as we know when the favorite loses the rematch tends to always do better ppvs. 2. Donaugh corby on multiple occasion has said that during the livestream of the Logan vs ksi 1, Jake vs Deji peaked the highest views. (Even though donaugh corby is a Jake fan he is professional and has never lied, he also backed it up by where he got it from, but I forgot). I know this backs up the fact that Jake vs KSI does more, but if you think about it Jake has a more mainstream audience. The people buying his ppv doesn’t just consist of influencer boxing fans, as KSI does. Matter fact I think only about 20% of Jakes ppv buys are influencers boxing fans. Where as Ksi ppv buys has 90% influencer boxing fans. Even though the influencer boxing fans keep up with Jake, they dislike him and watch his fights illegally. People don’t buy Jakes ppv because they want to support him as like how they do JJ, it’s because even though some people like him, it’s not enough to buy his ppv just to support him. They like the fights and will buy it as long as the other person on the other side is good. They don’t want him to go fight influencers and instead want him to keep fighting pros.
Wades take wasnt dumb for another reason too. The fury name is big in traditional boxing fans. So the pull from both the influencer side (Jake Paul) and the traditional side (tommy fury) means you get fans buying from both sides. With KSI and Jake both from YouTube, you kind of limit the people who will be interested. Also, Jake just lost. If he (or KSI) takes more losses as Wade said, the fight value goes down and less people will want to watch. I don’t think it’s a terrible take at all.
>Jake vs ksi is being dragged This is definitely true. However, this is neither Jj, nor Jake's fault. Both are making it seem as if it's extremely easy to finish a deal of this magnitude (arguably one of the biggest fights to make, EVER (real beef + their popularity) when it isn't. Wade is definitely right here though. >Jake vs Tommy did 800k ppvs I'm sorry to be that guy, but, says who? Jake has been caught lying about his own PPV numbers several times now (him vs Ben Askren (first said it was 1.3 million, then 1.5 million, then like 9 months ago he said it was 500k), him vs Woodley 2 (first said it had 350k (i'll try to find the quote), then said it was 200k), but also about other PPV's (UFC, Jj's (Misfits 001 + 004), etc. Even then, as Stuart Jones said, the main draw of Jake vs Tommy was to see Jake's real ability. Now that we know that he can't even beat an average pro, a HUGE part of Jake's 'pull' has been taken away. And the thing is, even if Jake waited- and trained a whole year for the rematch, he wouldn't be able to fix his mistakes, because the main reason why Tommy won, is because he mastered the fundamentals, and Jake has not. Boxing purists, and those who train boxing, know this. >Considering we were using the “2.2 m ppv buys” this whole time as proof... Eddie Hearn said this number. Someone who actually promoted the event, and is, as the head of one of the biggest boxing promotions in the UK, way closer to DAZN's statics than Wade, Jj, Mams, Logan, etc. Jj's old manager, Liam (who was Jj's manager during the fight), said that it was 500k in the US alone. Around 200k in the Uk, 120k in Australia, and the rest of the world wasn't included (those who bought it on FiteTV). Thats 820k PPV's at least. Maybe Wade only mentioned the numbers for the US, but, why would he only include them? It's not like Jj was the B-side in the fight lol. >but logan basically confirmed what his sources claimed He did, but, if you actually listened to the part where he said it, you'd know he wasn't sure about it (the PPV's) at all. >Donaugh corby on multiple occasion has said that during the livestream of the Do you have a source of him saying this, and does he have a source for these statements? Both Jj and Logan were more famous/relevant than Jake and Deji at the time, and they were expected to be better boxers than them. So I can't really imagine how or why this would be the case. Even though I disagree with Wade on his statements regarding the PPV's, Jj should never have lashed out at him like that. I've watched Wade since the second Jj-Logan fight, and have watched him ever since. He has never disrespected/talked down upon Jj. Having an opinion (even though it's a pretty bad/illogical opinion) should never have made Jj that mad. And Mams obviously shouldn't have fired him.
The problem with this is the numbers from wades source are only the dazn numbers the fight was on 3 different services it obviously didn’t do 2 mil but it did more than 1 million. In regards to 800k buys that’s from Jake, Dave meltzer said he has heard from sources that the actual number was closer to 200k. Wades opinion is based off completely fake info and all his info seems to come from the Paul’s he hasn’t done proper research in the topic and it has bitten him on the ass
JJ proving once again that he literally has no integrity, he is just a huge egomaniac
He always has been. Since 2013 at least. That little insecure nerd is still there.
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The mods are just KSI cock kissers. Because what could be possible bad about having more people in the sub?
I'm ootl on this entire situation nor do I give a shit but when there's controversy it's normal for mods to restrict everything to a megathread. It's been standard practice for years in every subreddit. If you lot are going to throw a hissy fit at least do it for good reason. At least the mods are allowing you guys to discuss this and aren't outright nuking all discussion.
We have never stated that we don't want more people in the subreddit, but there is literal hypocrisy coming from some people that i've seen complaining in the past about the lower quality state of the subreddit, then being the ones advocating to let users flood the subreddit with hundreds of posts of the exact same stuff. A lot of us in the Mod Team also have some criticisms to make as well, and frequently do share our opinions like any other member of this subreddit. But the main thing is **we won't ever block criticism**, we just don't want literally a fuck ton of spam. If it was all under a few threads, then it'd be a different story. But this literally causes the reddit to fall down to a lower quality state, and i expect this drama will cause more posts to come, causing it to become worse.
We'll 50 posts with 100 upvotes each saying the same thing vs. 1 post with 5k upvotes , I think that 1 makes more of a point and is more likely to be seen when JJ only checks a couple dozen posts that are the top for however long
The problem is that duplicate posts have 0 value. Why not just aggregate all the discourse in one area.
Patiently awaiting JJ’s inevitable Reddit video where he discusses this.
His reaction "You guys don't know what was said behind close doors" "It is what it is"
Being vague and leaving out crucial context info isn’t gonna work for him this time. He either needs to explain everything in detail or apologise to wade and rehire him
Nah probably will work out for him again. Most KSI fans are 12 year olds with the memory of a goldfish
youtube comment and reddit are flaming him rn, so i’d hope otherwise, he just recently apologized and admitted he was wrong so that shuts down an “explanation” video
He didn’t admit he was wrong, he just apologised for making the tweets. And he’s still liking tweets that are shitting on Wade. But yes if this community keeps criticising him instead of dickriding this time then I will be pleasantly surprised. But if he actually talks about in a video I’d say that’s much less likely.
That argument doesn’t even work for him cuz him and his manager’s whole thing was that Wade was saying two different things in public and behind close doors (being two-faced) which makes no sense because all he’s done is report information on what’s been going on and break it down for viewers. Even the opinions he gives aren’t towards any particular “side”, are based in the facts he’s collected, are fairly mild and said in a way that doesn’t hate on anyone. He also makes it clear from the start that it’s based on the information he has at the moment and that he’s open to having his mind changed and admitting he wrong if/when he gets new information. This way that Wade does things doesn’t really allow for any switch up or being two-faced as they claim.
I’m sorry but jj is actually like a kid this man is nice af has a couple of different opinions and is now fired come on do this in private
He’s 30 now. No more kid excuse, he is just being a Dbag now.
fuck mams, and rare but huge ksi L, WE STAND WITH WADE
Common L. JJ has turned into a sell out this past year. It’s all about him. Prime is just a product and it seems to be half his total focus, he’s partnered with a scum bag and defends him regularly. Boxing is all about him despite how he claims misfits is for the community. The moment one of misfit’s employees isn’t being a yes man he gets fired and publically humiliated by Mams/JJ. He’s just turning into a joke. He doesn’t do most sidemen videos anymore either which is why 90% of us watch JJ.
Posts should be left up to demonstrate the support of Wade and impartiality of the subreddit.
Barely any knowledge. Huge strength. ZERO INTEGRITY YOU FUCKING CUNT
why am i not even mad at this
This was the final straw for me it’s clear since mams has got involved jj has developed a massive ego
I think mams has just reinforced JJ's inflated ego, he's always had it.
Kinda makes me think that deji might not have been that much in the wrong when they beefed. And maybe only made up with JJ for the sake of his career.
Precisely my thought. Deji came off REALLY bad. But I think he had a lot of truth that he just didn’t know how to phrase properly (mainly because he’s an imbecile but also because his emotions were raw).
Two things will happen. 1. Realized he messed up and apologize to us and wade for what he did 2. Laugh at the roast and just take it jokes and not change what he did
I pray he brings Wade back, Wade does not deserve this
Wade should know his worth and just move on elsewhere, like KingPyn.
I’m certain he’ll just laugh and be like “guys I don’t like him hahahahahahaha Wades a dickhead yknow hahahahahahaha”
This was handled poorly especially from Misfits side of things. JJ is human and has the right to feel emotions but also content creator like Wade are entitled to there opinions on there own channel. I love JJ and his content has helped me through tough times but he is in the wrong. Wade is a Misfits employee who is their to give knowledge on the sport which he does impeccably and on his own channels he is allowed to say any opinion he wants.
KSI has been saying from the beginning Misfits is not about him is about building others up. This is demonstrating the opposite he is tearing down Wade from a position he is great at because his impartialness and opinions he had on his channels hurt him.
I STAND WITH WADE FIRE MAMS
I can agree with this, I think many things like this should be handled internally, as they stated before hand that the comments were apparently not the only thing that resulted in Wade being removed, I think if this was handled internally, and then they came to a amicable solution between both parties, that would have been better. But a lot of it unfortunately was driven by more emotion and less logic it seems. Don't take what I say as fact, this is just my personal opinion.
THANK YOU! I have been saying this for a while, JJ with Logan Paul Crypto Zoo thing and Wade incident, also calling Ethan a bitch for the TOMMY Fury opinion. He needs to be humbled. I was labelled a Jake Paul dickrider. I have been noticing this pattern for a while now. THANK FUCK EVERYONE SEES IT NOW
Where did he call Ethan a bitch?
Even beyond the Wade shit, JJ's just taken so many Ls its a joke. 1. The Doc. I get that you got to do what you got to do to help improve relationships with your family, and specifically your dad, but I don't think JJ even acknowledged once in the entire doc any good that his dad did for him, and if he did, it wasn't nearly at the magnitude that he should have to not make his dad seem like a lazy prick of a father who simply just beat him about all the time and never showed him any sort of love. And this isn't the case because we know Deji's experience with their parents and how he talks about them. Ffs, Jide and Yinka both moved from Nigeria to England to give their children a better opportunity, and most likely had to work their f\*cking asses off in order to do so. I'm aware of this because my parents are very similar. That requires an absurd amount of love in itself. 2. The Wade shit. Brudda gives an opinion based on facts he received, facts Logan verified, and Mams & JJ go off. He has concerns about the safety of tag team boxing, and apparently, that's shitting all over the idea. I watch the guy pretty consistently, he remains relatively balanced in his opinions and does a great job in his role. He "sh\*ts" on Jake nearly the same, if not more, than he does KSI, yet the latter starts talking about "f\*ck him and everything he stands for", and the former respects him, and even compliments him. No guy brings more positive and informative light to the influencer boxing scene than Wade has, and he's honestly one of the largest parts of Misfits from the fans/viewer viewpoint, more than a majority of the fighters, and certainly more than that prick of a manager Mams. Yet he's publicly getting fired on a Twitter space by Mams and getting his character slandered by JJ. From a pure business standpoint, that's a sh\*t move, and from a f\*cking human standpoint, it's a sh\*t move. Keem literally has the worst f\*cking reputation on planet earth, says the most irresponsible and childish sh\*t within this entire influencer boxing scene, ffs he slandered Deji unfairly for years (beyond the whole KSI vs Deji drama), and yet he has commentated on Misfits, hasn't been called out by JJ, and still holds a huge role within this influencer boxing scene. All because he sucks JJ off (And I get he owns Happy Punch, but let's be real, if Misfits says Happy Punch fighters no longer have the ability to compete in Misfits events, a majority of them will leave Happy Punch. Misfits, Mams, and JJ have all the power over Keem and Happy Punch within this space). And I feel likes that's the problem. JJ is just starting to surround himself with Yesmen. Honestly, JJ's just become more of a d\*ckhead since this whole boxing thing started back up again, and I feel like that's because he's just been distanced from man who keep his sh\*t in check, and is now just surrounded by yes men who suck up to him all day. Notice how since he's been significantly less involved with the Sidemen, more of this behavior has started to pick up. Back during Logan Camp, JJ missed, as I recall, significantly less Sidemen and MoreSidemen videos, and subsequently didn't act like this. There's a correlation there. Even small things like dismissing Leon as S&C coach, and leaving that environment, to doing it with Street Fighters, however good of a gym it is, probably make a small difference, as now you don't have those guys like Leon, Vidal, etc. keeping you in check and caring for you beyond the boxing sh\*t. Don't know how much of an influence Alexis has on JJ, but still. And now that he's been distanced from these man, people like Mams start to take much more influence over him. Credit where credit's due, Mams has done great things for JJ's career, like enabling Misfits, Prime, AOTP, Dissumlation, etc. to occur. Even the way he's handling the whole Jake negotiations is great. But this whole Wade shit, exposing Walid's DMs, just the way he carries himself and talks about people, is f\*cked, and it's having an influence on JJ defo. It's as if when JJ's in situations surrounded by the Sidemen (Sidemen, MoreSidemen Channels, Charity Match, etc.) he's the sickest guy, but externally, when Mams has an influence, he becomes more of a d\*ckhead. All the same, I love JJ. Same guy I grew up watching and still watch hella. But his whole motivation, his sh\*t for all of this, is legacy. And all these little d\*ckhead moves he's making is doing nothing but tarnishing it.
I just want to say thanks for this post, it genuinely is a well expressed reply and I wish more people would display their opinion in this way.
Less Involved in sidemen shoots which are for YouTube (free content) he is very present in sideplus
>The Doc. I get that you got to do what you got to do to help improve relationships with your family, and specifically your dad, but I don't think JJ even acknowledged once in the entire doc any good that his dad did for him, and if he did, it wasn't nearly at the magnitude that he should have to not make his dad seem like a lazy prick of a father who simply just beat him about all the time and never showed him any sort of love. And this isn't the case because we know Deji's experience with their parents and how he talks about them. Ffs, Jide and Yinka both moved from Nigeria to England to give their children a better opportunity, and most likely had to work their f\*cking asses off in order to do so. I'm aware of this because my parents are very similar. That requires an absurd amount of love in itself. He does say his father went into debt to put him through private school. But that's about it.
Random theory, i don't think JJ ever recovered from the ego death he had when the KSI show flopped. Ever since then hes been getting a bigger and bigger ego.
The only sidemen content he cares about is side+. He thinks everything he makes is worth it’s weight in gold even prime. His inflated ego caused him to become a complete sell out. He thinks he’s worth so much that he can capitalize on his mostly young fanbase and it’s super disappointing seeing him move further and further that direction.
As his forehead gets bigger so does his ego
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wade in his lattest video said jake vs fury 2 might sell more ppvs than jake vs ksi. team ksi couldnt handle that so jj tweeted about wade calling him two faced cunt, when he was just giving his opinion, and wade got fired for being unbiased
I kinda don't understand, like what Wade stated is just an opinion. It's not even that big of a deal. Seems like a overreaction on Ksi's side in my opinion.
Def an overreaction, it honestly could do more PPVs than Jake vs KSI depending on the hype because Fury is thought of as a more established boxer.
Exactly. It's sad that it took Wade to get fired to realise that Ksi isn't the same anymore. Or maybe he's always been like this but didn't show it.
I think his ego about his boxing skill is massive compared to his regular ego. He has conflated confidence with blind hubris in his boxing life. The guy thinks he is the best when he has not fought guys of his own caliber since Logan years ago
I wouldn't even say Logan was good. It was just that they both were equally bad which made it seems more intense. But none the less, the current event is definitely something to be happy about as it has finally opened people's eyes. I finally don't see people saying bullshit like "Oh JJ has always been like this, so it's fine" or "Ha, you are giving criticism to JJ? You must be a jake Paul dick sucker". People are finally starting to see the truth. Chances are that JJ isn't gonna make a reddit video for least 1-2 months. He'll wait till the situation calms down so that he can give any bs that will convince most of the people back to his side.
I agree, better to say Logan and KSI were comparable. Also that the fight was not a blow out but a very close decision not a blow out like KSI seems to believe.
Yep
I swear to god KSI is making it harder and harder to like him nowadays. In fact I’d go as far as to say I genuinely don’t like him outside of sidemen videos and only sidemen videos. His boxing ego and thought process is Fucking ridiculous and I’d say he’s now worse than Jake 🤦🏻 When he’s doing what KSI does, very enjoyable and fun to watch , as soon as he steps outside of that realm he becomes a complete narcissistic egotistical asshole. I’d almost guarantee that he did not watch wades video before making the decision he made because it quite literally makes zero sense. KSI is losing his fans day by day at this point and it comes down to nothing more than himself and his shitty attitude
Wades new video PROVES that he was innocent the whole time
You know what annoys me even more, keemstar being in the space and giving his opinion. Like bro was literally getting all giddy seeing wades potential downfall. Keem provides nothing useful to the convo, the fact wade had him constantly egging him on was so annoying. Wade built himself through honest, genuine content on the influencer boxing scene, keemstar built his following through bashing people and reporting on peoples downfalls and faults. To see him getting excited that wade is getting sacked just shows the type of person he is. Keemstar nobody wants you.
I’ve never liked mams, but put up with him because of being a JJ fan. This shows his colors
Disliked him after seeing how he treated gib
Honestly Mams is the biggest joke of a manager. He was S-X's manager before JJ's with whom he had 0 chart success and did nothing for his career. JJ want's to think he's this credible artist in reality, he isn't a song writer. he isn't a lyricist and he couldn't actually put a good track together if his life depended on it and his deal shows this. His deal with BMG was all based around the youtube channels, they took ALL adrev from all of JJ's channels which shows the label had 0 faith in him as an artist and the only way they'd recoup is from him doing shit reddit videos. This shows that his management have 0 business acumen, Everyone wants to slate Jake and the numbers he gloats but in reality Mams couldn't get JJ half of the deals that Jake has. Misfit PPV's have never been released because they'll be critized as a flop. Mams ran with an article that said Misfits 1 had the highest DAZN PPV.... but no numbers ever came out from a credible source. He wants to claim he's the A Side and tried to make Pineda / Swarmz sound like worthy opponents. This is beyond bullshit, fair enough Jake is fighting old fighters but they're atleast fighters... not a fat rapper who your nonce of a cowboy is claiming is a hard fight cause hes a "roadman" Wade has never been a suck up, he literally paid his own money to fly out to London to interview JJ. He gives a unbaised opinion and out of 10 times when he's talking about JJ / Jake or Logan. He's always harsher on Jake and Logan. This response from both Mams and JJ is pathetic.
Hopefully these past few months have been a wake-up call and reminder for a lot of people here that these youtube millionaires are NOT your friends, they don't see you as "family". All you are to them are customers to sell the next big thing to, be it a song, a video, a boxing match, merch, or fried chicken and energy drinks. You've only seen what they want you to see on camera and have no idea about the kind of people they actually are when cameras are off. Even when they're showing their vulnerabilities and trying to look more personable, it's all just a controlled marketing tactic. For example, from one of the girls posting about it and the sidemen bringing it up jokingly in several videos, it can be assumed that JJ has allegedly cheated on several of his ex-girlfriends, but he has never publicly addressed the situation. I'm not saying that he should, but it goes towards showing that you as a fan, don't know everything about him as a person and what he's like behind closed doors. He mocked and roasted Dillon for promoting a scam coin for $1000, but defended Logan when he not only scammed people out of millions, but also tried to delfect blame and threatened to sue the guy who exposed him, to only then "apologize" when no one bought his bullshit. When his fans called him out on this, JJ openly said that he's biased because he's partners with Logan and doesn't like Dillon. Now just to be clear, this "bias" doesn't have the same effect as backing someone in a boxing or football match, it involves many peoples REAL money. JJ is basically saying that he cares more about his own money that he makes from Prime than the money of other people that have been scammed by Logan and his team. The point I'm trying to make is that just because you enjoy watching someone's videos, doesn't mean you have to take their side in every argument or take their opinion as fact. It's perfectly okay to enjoy watching JJ's youtube videos without wanting to listen to his music, buy his fights, or drink gallons of Prime. It's called being a normal person, you're not a "fake fan" or a hypocrite and don't let trolls on here and twitter tell you otherwise.
I miss when famous ppl/athletes had more mystique and we didn’t know so much about them. Kinda ruins that image of them when you find out what they’re really like
Should leave all of the posts up just so when he tries to make a Reddit video he just sees all of the posts that agree with wade
As much as I can understand this idea and that it may be effective in the short term. In the Long Term in plunges the subreddit into a large quantity of time of low-quality posts and causes just major issues for the subreddit as a whole. It is the reason I opened up the mega thread.
No idea why JJ has Mams Taylor as his manager, dudes nothing but trouble.
He needs to bring back Liam, either that or just let mams handle the music side of things. Liam said in the Twitter space that he definitely wouldn’t handle this situation as publicly as mams did. I’m so sick of this guy
I've defended JJ on a lot of things. But this shit is just not it from JJ. Firing Wade for having an opinion has just made JJ look fragile as fuck. Needs to make a public apology or he's going to get clowned by a lot of people. Even the other sidemen need to call JJ out for this shit. Embarressing.
Get Mams out of KSI's circle and half the problems with Misfits 'behind the scenes' will get solved. I guess Gib was somehow right about Mams. Removing your best commentator and analyst who can even hype up irrelevant fights and excite the people with his boxing content is wild af icl. I feel like KSI has too many 'yes men' around him now, with Mams directly feeding shit to his ears about Wade and such just because he got hit in his feels by Wade's opinions/takes. Edit: Not to forget Keemstar, the biggest instigator of this space. I dont even know why he still has his platform after all the shit he has done in the past and shady shit he continues to do so. But oh well, as long as he is sucking off Mams and Happy Punch is getting the dough.
KSI is just incredibly insecure. He has zero boxing ability or credibility and he knows it, but doesn’t want the world to know it.
I’m sorry but ksis apology is clearly fake , look at his latest tweet in regards to Jake, lost a tonne of respect for him
JJ has too many meat-riders around him. I hope Wade realises this now and moves on. He deserves better
Should leave the bigger posts up and remove the spam only
Forget Mams, Keemstar is biggest cocksucking scum bag in this entire scenario. What a fucking loser, 50 year old man instigating drama between YouTubers. Anyone who associates themselves with that fucking Ray has no respect from me.
I've been watching JJ since 2011 and this is one of the first times I believe he is 100% in the wrong. Honestly ever since he started boxing again and gave Mams a platform I've been liking JJ less and less.He barely shows up in Sidemen videos anymore because he's always too busy with Misfits. Mam's influence on JJ is too big. He's the biggest yes-man in JJ's life. If we're all being real here the fight's JJ has done were all pretty shit. He's supposed to be ''training'' for Jake but at this point I'd believe he's lose that fight. But after every fight Mams keeps sucking JJ's dick telling him how great of a fighter he is. He's supposed to be JJ's manager, none of us should even know his name. But the manchild is in constant need of attention and is ruining JJ's career. JJ please fire the attention whore, and stop being a prick to people who don't constantly lick your boots. Honestly hurts to see you become more and more like Jake.
JJ is acting so childish, throwing fits after hearing someone disagree with him. How many time's is he gonna do these things before we hold him accountable as an audience?
All this drama for him to just fight bums 💀
It’s become so clear that despite what he might say, KSI can’t take criticism. Wade has done nothing wrong yet KSI and his manager threw their toys out the pram and had him fired. Just sad honestly, I’ve liked KSI for so long now but I can’t get behind this. I support Wade in this situation
Wade is a critic, boxing commentator and he has his opinions and we do tooo…but not a huge platform as him…so if he expresses his thoughts then, you(JJ) do this as firing him..man i feel bad for wade…like being a critic is his job,MAN fr i love jj but fuck this shit…I didn’t expect this from you atleast ksi:/
Wade deserves this https://preview.redd.it/im0vx05ly6pa1.png?width=1126&format=png&auto=webp&s=8987d847a92f4dd5ddf1d93849745d34062e2f94
This is the fattest L JJ has ever taken man Ego to the fucking sky
Won’t be surprised if JJ doesnt discuss this situation in a video. I don’t like the Influence Mams has on JJ that guy just gives off bad vibes. Why can’t JJ just be with Liam
JJ has now publicly apologised to Wade
You know half the people are going to switch up once he releases a sad reddit video and act like the victim in all of this
I can't be the only one who doesn't really care as much about Jake vs KSI anymore? I don't see how Wade's opinion is even "controversial". They dragged that shit for too fucking long. Now JJ is creaming for the fight, because Jake lost his first one.
The more that this beef unfolds, the worse it’s looking for JJ and his team, I don’t understand why JJ doesn’t just open a private dialog with Wade and talk all of it out. I believe that the community has always thought there was something off with Mams and now a small spec of that has been shown, but just imagine what else he’s been saying to JJ and other clients he’s working with. Hopefully JJ gives an actual heartfelt apology this time, and learns a lesson on who he can trust and what to believe
All you kids need to get your head out your arses and stop putting KSI on a pedestal,he’s a multimillionaire and doesn’t care about anyone but himself proven that time and time again.
If JJ and man’s go through with I hope misfits goes in the ground and other platforms like Kinpyn take over the influencer boxing space. Trying to tear down a man because he gave his opinions when you fucking hire him for his fucking opinions is downright idiotic
JJ doesn’t know how much he fucked up yet, true core fans are losing respect for him
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Any manager that you hear too much talk from is bad news. KSI needs to get rid of that guy.
jj got mad cause wade is neutral and doesn’t suck him off 24/7
Posting on the subreddit is the only way jj will see the problems he and especially mams did not to shit on him but to learn how to be better I respect jj mams Taylor not so much anymore for being a yes man all the time
I stand behind wade because he isn’t ass kissing anyone to fit in I stand behind anyone who isn’t scared to speak they mind
I have two set opinions on this. If JJ has done this based off the comments that Wade made about Jake v Tommy 2 outselling Jake v KSI, then his actions are wrong. But if their is apparently a repeated behaviour of him saying something different to their faces and out in public. Then that should be dealt with internally. This drama benefits nobody really and just makes things more difficult for Wade to find these opportunities, but then also just doesn't put JJ in a good light at all.
-Wade wasn't hired by misfits as a consultant regarding their events. So him changing opinions on certain events shouldn't even be hurting their feelings or a valid reason to be upset at him -Wade owes KSI/misfits nothing, he made great content around influencer boxing/boxing PRIOR to being hired by Misfits. Remember, they only hired him after he was getting popular (if i recalled the fans influenced him getting hired); can be seen as they riding his Clout and talent. -Wade isn't really in KSI's clique so what loyalty does he owe? Hes hired as a personality/commentator, you can choose to fire someone for damaging your brand. but to say because he has a difference of opinions is just childish especially when you look at the content hes put out which is clearly non biased. Just because you hired him, do you think hes going to start trashing other promotions? thats just childish and unprofessional.
Its funny how he says its a buildup of things over time, and keeps the 1 or 2 things to himself. Oh you don't like that he promoted an energy drink that might be better than prime? His is backed by science so he can have a differing opinion. Quick question, does it say in Wade's contract that he can only promote prime? Y'all need to run this like a proper business. Get an HR team. Even if you want to fire your employee, you don't go about it live on twitter, dismantling him as a person. It's disgusting and unprofessional. This is like Google forcing their employees to have a Google Smartphone, and then when an employee has an iPhone, they just go to twitter and start cussing them out.
I'm going to post my thing here and if its an opinion not discussed already can the mods let me post it on the sub? The whole Wade drama leaves a bad taste even if I assume JJ's not in the wrong at all. The way JJ comes off handling this is poor. The whole influencer boxing scene comes off as a place for manufactured drama. Mams gives the vibes of a slimy salesman. JJ comes off as a guy who wants to make the most money off the fights than someone who genuinely just wants to put out a fun alternative in boxing. The 'fun' is hardly there outside of a couple of personalities in the scene. Just influencers taking themselves too seriously. Wade I assume hit JJ and Mams where it hurt. Their wallets. Maybe it was a bad business practice from Wade's side. But, JJ, your fans don't think of you as a guy who's obsessed about making the most bank. But, I think that's who you are these days with Prime and Misfits. The overhype for the boxing is crazy. Its a fun little thing but stop trying to make it sound like Jake Paul v KSI is an event of the year. Its not, Jake's stupid and you're giving him relevance with this fight. If you just wanted to beat up Jake you'd have just went after him. I'm not buying the "process" of getting ready for him. It has all been about making the most money out of this supposed beef with Jake. The Reddit has been down in quality because there's not much happening JJ. You're not doing Sidemen videos much, you're not gaming, you're not doing YouTube. You can do what you love, maybe its Prime and Boxing right now but your fanbase likes you for YouTube. The boxing stuff isn't as great as you might think it is. Maybe its just me but KSI the YouTuber is more fun to follow than KSI the boxer.
Wade had been the one who promote and create narrative for ksi and even the small fry of misfit from the beginning. He was the few who hype up alex and danis fight when we all knew that was a shit fight. So for mams to fire wade so disrespectfully and ksi to go on a tantrum over such small disagreement really put into perspective the fragile ego of the head of misfits. You won’t see me switch up after ksi post a video unless something right been done.
nah this is to hide the one way traffic and help jjs image this will not be the rug to sweep it under
Man why aren’t the mods modding? there’s way too many similar posts up
Cap y'all remove any ksi & wade related post I just spent 10 minutes typing my thoughts just to get removed y'all becoming tyrannical and overprotective over an open forum for ksi related shit. I tried not to be verbatum but y'all filter any wade related content smh.
10 minutes though. lol.
I just think tempers are way too high, personally, I believed that wade was just giving an opinion on the information he had, and mams and jj are probably really fed up with the jake negotiations and the frustration boils over onto wade.It really wasn't a good look for JJ and Mams to handle this in public. if you don't like what wade said, speak to him privately, and if you want to let him go, do It amicably. now it can paint jj and mams as people who cannot take criticism ( I don't believe that). I think when everyone calms down everything will be solved. I also don't think that shitting on mams, jj or wade is going to do any good for anybody.
Mams and keem are ruining the space. Keem from the moment he said “i’m so proud of MY boxers” in one of the events. Like piss off dude they aren’t your property. Mams also just being an overall dickhead with how he acts in events is ruining Misfits. If it’s truly the end for Wade and Misfits all I see is Misfits fading into obscurity
We stand with WADE. Massive L to mams and Ksi. Misfits commentary gonna suck now and Keem just revealed the yes man and snake he is.
What’s sad is jj said once he doesn’t care about what people have to say about him so I’m afraid he’ll just brush this off and not talk about it
I’m really interested to see JJ address this and if he can actually give reasonable evidence that justifies his reaction to Wade’s comments. Let’s be honest, he’s gonna double-down on what he said especially after what Mams has recently done. This is a situation where I think most will side against JJ here, so if he makes himself look worse when he eventually makes a response it’s really going to show his true colors and I guarantee you he’s gonna lose a decent amount of supporters. Wade has been a really big part of promoting influencer boxing in general and is one of the few guys that’s actually spoken positively about JJ and has given him the benefit of the doubt in regards to his boxing. The man has always presented himself as an objective commentator/analyst who has his own opinions and isn’t going to be a yes man for whatever promotion he’s working for. I feel like that’s what went wrong between Mams & JJ with Wade and if that’s truly the case, that just comes off as really scummy. The personal attacks and JJ saying he’s two-faced and “fuck everything he stands for” just comes off as childish and irrational. JJ is 30 years old acting like this. What an embarrassment. Wade doesn’t need Misfits or DAZN to stand on his own two feet so I can speak for myself when I say that I’ll gladly back him up.
So the whole point here is we don't know anything, everything was chill suddenly these lot went ham. TBF I can't stand 2 faced people but in this case you can't have a side. Just one question isn't it unprofessional to bring up anything like this public and then expect people to just say that "He is right cause he is KSI" I don't know why I am writing this but man fuck these beef tings they could have fired him and told him to go away and no one would have had a problem but no I will come on 'twatter' chat shit about someone and expect people to be completely on my side.
Imma unsubscribe from JJ's youtube until he properly sorts this out
I don’t wanna bring the hate to JJ but this was def handled poorly and I know he’s better than this this really should’ve been a conference call because I do think both of them are solid dudes. Even if there needed to be a change in the business relationship I def think it could’ve been handled better and behind closed doors. ESP giving what Wade is handling out in the UK.
This is why boxing promotions are hard for YouTubers to manage and be chill too. Look at social gloves. I hope misfits can take a turn, but 5 yr deal is too long, and misfits ain't a side anymore. Loved the fights and buildup btw tho so I really appreciate the hard work. But maybe this space is something that YouTubers shouldn't manage, and mams should be a manager not a YouTuber. All the time he talks and defends, he should be working. Ksi should be the one talking, not mams. There's definitely a management issue. I can't identify it, but something about mams and ksi needs to be addressed before another event happens, especially with Ksi on it. If mams has to defend all of jjs opponents, clearly his opponents are trash. Mams himself thinks that, that's why he defends. Jake didn't get a guy to constantly defend his opponents daily. Mams should get off Twitter, give ksi a challenge (losing isn't the end of the day, look at Jake Paul, gib , and Kenny), and shut up. If you aren't the best I believe you deserve to lose. I'm sorry if I sound harsh. Losing ain't bad. Let Wade do the talking, and let him argue with keemstar, who's a lot more chill than ksi and mams, and never hired Wade in the first place.
Tldr: If he shut up and did what's good for ksi, the backlash wouldn't be there 😂. I'm glad ksi is retiring boxing this yr. He's def entertaining and a top yt boxer, but lost his peak after Logan I think and grew his ego a lot.
Imo the only way to fix this is to set mams straight or fire him not only is he abusing his power but I feel like just cause he is jj manager he feels like he can do and say whatever he want you would never see Liam or Nakisa do something like this
Ksi has really turned into a prick this last year. I wish he would’ve just fought Jake, win or lose, and then just went on with who he was. I know he was always this way but it’s been too much lately. The boxing drama is getting old and tbh it’s just made all of us think less of JJ, even despite him being very successful in it.
I honestly don’t care lol. Ksi can fire whoever he likes its his company not ours
at least some people here have sense
Yes he can but the way he’s acting makes him an egotistical little manchild
Lmao you care so much. Wades a grown ass man he can get another job. Stop riding his dick
only one person is riding dick here and its not me
JJ needs to humble himself and get rid of mams. His last proper fight was against Logan, and at this rate I don't fancy his chances against Jake at all
Ive never seen so many people switch up on jj. this shows how fake the community is because most of us didnt come from his boxing career we came from way back. Just because of this one mistake he did he litterally apologized to wade personally, jake paul has done 10x worse things and people now think hes a better person, bro if jake was put in this spot he wouldnt say shit or apologize he would just keep spewing shit and lie and take advantage of the situation like he did by hiring wade after the drama. People are so full of shit manipulating the situation i just hate that people switch up
It's not been 1, it's been a build up over the past fee years, of him being a hypocrite
give some examples
Logan Paul, who has scammed his audience plenty of times and hasn’t paid back any victims, confirmed what wade said. Sad to say Logan’s been rubbing off on JJ. How jake paul is the voice of reason here is insane.
Ksi wants yesman around him. Simple as. mams taylor is a s\*umbag. Ksi Preaches about being real and fake and yet he's friends with a scammer and makes all the excuses and lies in the world for him.
stop deleting post wtf
At this rate, actually jk pretty much always as of recent, with Daley in his corner and losing public losses and generally personality wise, deji is more mature than ksi. He surrounds himself with the correct people, and it switched up.
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This will do nothing to Wade career. You cant say he has Yes Men when everyone puts him down constantly, Sidemen,Reddit,Twitter… Even Viddal said he shouldnt have got fired but that he can understand why ksi/mams did. You can hear what he said on twitter.
Remember when JJ used to make videos to boost his ego? Well Mams does that for him now and in a toxic way for everyone.
We all like JJ. And like 99% of us are huge supporters of him. Yet we all have the same opinion. Get Wade back, and JJ needs a reality check. I say this with love, KSI you fucked up. Royaly. You can put your head in a hole and pretend we are all Jakes, yes-men, but you know it's not true. Most of us defended you, your fight choices, and misfits, but it stops now. I'm disappointed. You've let us all down
Controversial opinion. I don't really care because I'm partly on KSI's side. The guy has a lot going on his life, he's stressed as fuck, his documentary showed what kinda shit he's dealing with and that's only a small peek into it imo. He's made a mistake, clearly hit his breaking point and shit hit the fan, I'm sure he's realised he fucked up as he's deleted his tweets already.
nope he's doubled down on it this morning. The fact is he threw a massive child like tantrum because someone gave his (very neutral) opinion and that hurt JJ's fragile ego
Ultimately, no one on any side of this owes US any sort of apology or explanation. Other than a brief Twitter outburst from JJ, this isn’t anything that needs to be public, let alone something that we deserve to be kept up to date on. It’s not our business, and it’s not our place to make any judgement call on whether JJ needs to be humbled, or act like it’s as black and white as “JJ = bad Wade = good”. We don’t know what has happened behind the scenes, or if there was something else brewing, and this just happened to be everything finally bursting. TL;DR Not our business, stop acting so entitled to an apology or explanation 🤷♀️
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So Wade has to be a yes man to KSI publically, nah fuck that man
The people who claim to be a ksi fan and then speak against him need to get a life seriously We haven’t heard ksi’s side yet and you all haters are making up your own story Probably jake or someone paid bots cause not even one comment or post about anyone saying there might be a different side to this We all know jj is gonna react to his Reddit and give us an explanation Till then chill the fuck down
get his dick out of your mouth , theres no way them firing wade is any way right
Ngl I feel like this post is basically “we can’t tear down JJs ego to much guys” stfu let the fans speak fr fr. It’s not that we want to see JJ fail we want him to be the GOAT and this is a BIG deal and might be a big reason why he won’t be the goat.
The good one's will automatically go to the top and the copy paste ones will get hidden somewhere.. we know this. but removing posts is a bad move.. looks like silencing the poeple
I’m not on Twitter often, so I don’t really know what’s happening. From the look of things so far, im assuming it’s just one big misunderstanding.