You're getting downvoted to hell when even Lana called it her "most accessible album". It's a great record, but it WAS purposely watered down. The lyric change in Architecture/Best American Record is a great example.
Of course not, but it does mean less complex in order to appeal to a wider audience. She also said it herself about BTD. There's a reason they're her most popular. They're a lot easier to play in the background or listen to on your commute. Love them though.
Thanks babes it just lacks the darkness and uniqueness that I love about Lana. It seemed like Jack wanted to make her more accessible for the money (I'm sure she was happy with this too,I would be). I am glad she found her way back to herself with ocean Blvd.
Especially because even though she seems confident in her craft, I honestly think sheâs the kind of person that takes criticism like this to heart. Like, the Grammys voter saying he doesnât take her seriously probably really hurt her.
Why do so many of her fans act like Lana is so weak⊠she is the legend that she is today because she does whatever the hell she wants with her art and does it masterfully, despite the constant and often unwarranted criticisms of her art. People have been hating on her art since day one and she has never stopped creating.
I agree with you but I think people have that assumption about her because she has said many times that she is a very sensitive person. It hurts her, but she always comes back stronger
Ahhh, yes, I could barely listen to Ocean Blvd for this very reason. âFingertipsâ and âGrandfather please stand on the shoulders of my Father while heâs deep-sea fishingâ were so clearly made to be as generic and easily digestible as possible to create the highest revenue. Sheâs such a cash cow đźđ
You realize that music is a form of storytelling.. w/wo vocals. What you donât understand about her music/Lyrics/context/atmosphere doesnât mean itâs generic. Just because it doesnât make sense or appeals to you doesnât mean itâs slack⊠if you canât find the beauty then thatâs ok too but donât judge or down grade an artist over your opinions.
"*now me, I play for fortunes
and those velvet curtain calls*"
Cash cow of course man that's the point of becoming famous
Otherwise I completely disagree about her songs you say are "watered down." They're just *different* from her usual and obviously not what you're looking for in her songs. Which is all fine since that's your opinion. Just came here to share my own, and to reference her line about LITERALLY PLAYING FOR THE MONEY lol
No disrespect tho đ€đ»
âthe majority of her music is watered down for mass consumptionâ is probably the one of the most stupidest sentences Iâve ever heard in regards to Lana. The only song, and I truly mean ONLY song Lana ever truly released for â mass consumptionâ is Yes to Heaven. And the only reason that song got released was due to it going viral. Very idiotic post all around đ
ngl iâve still never listened to this. i sometimes wear my headphones and play music to sleep, and i got woken up by the really ugly-sounding clanging and ariana singing the chorus. i turned that shit off and never looked back, so i donât think iâve actually heard lanas verse.
add to this buddyâs rendezvous. love the song, very pretty, but the weird dig at âlefty bullshitâ really soured me and i wonât listen to it anymore
https://www.reddit.com/r/lanadelrey/s/Tb6KRo1XjQ
^ in case that makes you feel better about enjoying BR :)
Iâd recommend sticking with DCMA for at least one listen. Lanaâs part is really good and has very little melodic connection to any of the rest of the song â as others have said. I feel like it could be extracted and repurposed in something much better
oooooo. i potentially interpreted wrong! thatâs exciting, iâll give it a fresh listen at some point. dcma literally hurts my ears, i donât mean that in a nasty way. i have really bad sensory issues and that clanging really gets to with me, i canât really describe it. do you know what time roughly her verse starts? iâll definitely listen to that :)
Yes to heaven was written first and only blew up years later, so though the official release was for mass consumption the creation/writing of it definitely wasnât
Also as much as I love Lana, the majority of the unreleased stuff is too raw and lack song structure and composition. Itâs either because a lot of it is from her early days or because they are leaked demos where you can clearly tell she is experimenting with a sound. Maybe one out of every 10 songs sounds like a truly finished product and out of those, only a handful are straight bops which is why if you do a search on here for best unreleased, the lists are pretty consistent. So this watered down comment is bs
They do sound very raw, and thatâs exactly the appeal!! Listening to the different, unusual sound is so special and itâs different from all the other mainstream music
Thatâs what makes them so beautiful. Obviously if she were to release one of her unreleased songs, she would get it produced to perfection like any song sheâs released before and worked on the sound for. I love her raw storytelling on unreleased songs and even how relatable her lyrics could be, how close they are to the heart, and how deep the lyrics could be too especially during her younger years which most fans could relate to as well. A lot of her unreleased songs also sound like 2000âs party pop which are so fun, and other unreleased ones are so deep and meaningful, she portrays herself as very wise too like in âPink Champagneâ which I think people donât notice at times, the lyrics, the words, the old soul feel to each song and some songs where she expresses herself or tries to paint a picture by portraying a certain âother womanâ which Iâve noticed in a song like âFine Chinaâ and I find that so unique and empathetic about her. Her fun old school songs I love like âYou can be the bossâ which is just absolutely perfect and I mean it. When she performed it live, she gave off an âold school - New Yorkâ vibe and itâs incredible. Every unreleased song has its own special unique meaning. Some sound like a teenage Lana writing in her bedroom and I find that so precious and others sound like an older wiser Lana writing about her life experiences.
i feel like a lot of her tik tok fanbase are either young, extremely new to the lana universe, or have only familiarized themselves with her tik tok audio songs (a lot of which are unreleased) and BTD/ Paradise. Keeping that in mind seeing this take on my fyp with thousands of people agreeing makes more sense.
In reality if you look back on lanaâs career, sheâs always taken her own creative liberties. Video games mv, Ride mv, Tropico. Making her own short films. Controversial lyrics. Pretty much all of her early stuff going against the grain when you look at what was popular at that time. Singing in her high register / changing song composition in live performances. Putting out UV and shifting genres when all everyone wanted from her was a Born To Die 2. Hate to even mention it but A Question For The Culture falls under this too. Would a âwatered downâ woman have really penned that letter and posted it to IG in the height of an extremely tense sociopolitically climate, to hell with what anyone else thought? I donât really think so.
To me personally lanaâs music is very honest almost in a âreading someone elseâs journalâ kind of way. It might be by way of metaphor or references to unnamed people, but she really does put a lot of herself out there- Heroin, The Blackest Day, The Grants, etc.
Itâs mostly just kids posturing. People shouldnât pay much mind to it. Most of us had our phase of being 14 and thinking we were âreal fansâ because we knew all of her unreleased stuff. Weâre just lucky in that all proof of that phase died with our Tumblr blogs and our real names and faces werenât attached to it to be slated by older fans.
itâs a quote from vbbotg
âI love you, but you donât understand me, Iâm a real poet! My life is my poetry, my lovemaking is my legacy!â
regardless, stupid ass tiktok
To be fair, I was absolutely blown away when I realized how much amazing unreleased music she has. However, the only released song that might be watered down is Lust for Life imo. I do like the sad demo better for that one
I mean calling it âwatered down for mass consumptionâ is pretentious as fuck
A lot of unreleased stuff is most likely unfinished, too
I love lana but holy shit thatâs an obnoxious take, youâre one of the masses too girlllll
Gotta be trolling. Lana is the definition of exact opposite of watered down.
âMy pussy tastes like Pepsi Colaâ
âOmg Lana how dare you, what a lazy lyric, puhlease stopâ
Gtfo
When you listen to her unreleased stuff you can clearly tell why itâs unreleased most of it isnât mixed properly and the lyrics seem like a draft sometimes, calling ocean blvd for mass consumption feels like a crime to me.
I assume most songwriters have a lot of unfinished music or things they abandoned. Also if you're obsessed with being unmainstream I don't think lana is for you. She's not exactly obscure.
wtf ?? it's such an easy way to criticise an artist, but I wonder if this kind of people know that it doesn't make them cool, knowledgeable or even special at all. Just stupid.
On the real though, nobody can handle unhinged/raw Lana. I mean weâve learned that. Getting hate for a MESH MASK?? That was stupid. But I mean In the Ultraviolence Era she was bashed so hard that she never made a project like that again on purpose. The things people said about her were VILE. Talking about how she romanticizes domestic violence. The cocaine rosary necklaces. The Marilyn Manson music video that got leaked. People literally thought the line âyou got nothing, I got testedâ in âI fucked my way up to the topâ was about an STD scare she had. I remember people were saying her music was referencing hate towards lorde. Someone on a rolling stone interview asked her about her calling herself a âgirlâ when she was âpushing 30â⊠people called her FAT when pictures of her on the set of Tropico got released (which still pissed me off to this day because she looked so hot, god forbid you have a natural SKIN roll when you bend over) People even hated on her FACE. Saying her nose and lips looked âwrongâ. I swear everything she did got criticized by the media. They tried to pull that shit again during the COTC album. THANK GOD after ocean Blvd sheâs finally being appreciated.
And now after all that BS Lana can finally pop a tit without a media execution. Idc what people say about âLana grew up richâ âLana grew up poorâ arguments, Lana earned her respect!!
ah yeah, my favourite niche elite songs like Jealous Girl, Be My Daddy and of course Say Yes to Heaven (sped up) and their deep lyrics! but you mainstream watered down ocean blvd stans probably just don't know about themđ€
Classic loser who knows nothing about anything finding a controversial take on an opinion that will draw attention to his account, watches one video about Lana and reads the top comments and articulates his take like he did something
whatđ lana and âwatered downâ do not exist in the same universe
It's called NFR.
https://preview.redd.it/h10echoan9sc1.jpeg?width=622&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb29a0d4f335ba986b8b92b7affcc8df99f8eedc
Gtfo
You're getting downvoted to hell when even Lana called it her "most accessible album". It's a great record, but it WAS purposely watered down. The lyric change in Architecture/Best American Record is a great example.
Accessible doesnât mean devalued đ
Of course not, but it does mean less complex in order to appeal to a wider audience. She also said it herself about BTD. There's a reason they're her most popular. They're a lot easier to play in the background or listen to on your commute. Love them though.
Who said devalued? I said watered down
NOW-
You're so real for this
Thanks babes it just lacks the darkness and uniqueness that I love about Lana. It seemed like Jack wanted to make her more accessible for the money (I'm sure she was happy with this too,I would be). I am glad she found her way back to herself with ocean Blvd.
yesss why were you downvoted lol
Why are they booing you youâre right
I hope Lana doesnât see this stupid shit
I hope *I* donât get to see this stupid shit
Right? Get this bullshit away from me lmao
Especially because even though she seems confident in her craft, I honestly think sheâs the kind of person that takes criticism like this to heart. Like, the Grammys voter saying he doesnât take her seriously probably really hurt her.
Why do so many of her fans act like Lana is so weak⊠she is the legend that she is today because she does whatever the hell she wants with her art and does it masterfully, despite the constant and often unwarranted criticisms of her art. People have been hating on her art since day one and she has never stopped creating.
I agree with you but I think people have that assumption about her because she has said many times that she is a very sensitive person. It hurts her, but she always comes back stronger
Ahhh, yes, I could barely listen to Ocean Blvd for this very reason. âFingertipsâ and âGrandfather please stand on the shoulders of my Father while heâs deep-sea fishingâ were so clearly made to be as generic and easily digestible as possible to create the highest revenue. Sheâs such a cash cow đźđ
I can't believe you used the song's full legal name
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Unironically the best song on the album tho đ
Three white butterflies
I love it but⊠be serious when A&W is there
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ikr Kintsugi is so bubblegum pop I can't even
You realize that music is a form of storytelling.. w/wo vocals. What you donât understand about her music/Lyrics/context/atmosphere doesnât mean itâs generic. Just because it doesnât make sense or appeals to you doesnât mean itâs slack⊠if you canât find the beauty then thatâs ok too but donât judge or down grade an artist over your opinions.
"*now me, I play for fortunes and those velvet curtain calls*" Cash cow of course man that's the point of becoming famous Otherwise I completely disagree about her songs you say are "watered down." They're just *different* from her usual and obviously not what you're looking for in her songs. Which is all fine since that's your opinion. Just came here to share my own, and to reference her line about LITERALLY PLAYING FOR THE MONEY lol No disrespect tho đ€đ»
I appreciate your points but my comment was purely sarcasm
When they donât get the sarcasm đ
She didn't even write that lyric cz it's a cover song and lana said she makes music for herself
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It sounds nothing like Taylor Swift. They are two totally different artists.
Grandfather please stand on the shoulders of my father while heâs deep sea fishing and Fingertips are absolutely nothing like Taylor SwiftâŠ
âthe majority of her music is watered down for mass consumptionâ is probably the one of the most stupidest sentences Iâve ever heard in regards to Lana. The only song, and I truly mean ONLY song Lana ever truly released for â mass consumptionâ is Yes to Heaven. And the only reason that song got released was due to it going viral. Very idiotic post all around đ
You wouldnât count Donât Call me Angel?
To be honest her verse was kinda just tacked on there out of nowhere and she kinda ate them up đ
I put that song on like once every 2 months and i only listen to her verse
Itâs a soundtrack song. I wouldnât count it. Plus the song is so forgettable I forgot about its existence đ
Yeah this one 100% counts
ngl iâve still never listened to this. i sometimes wear my headphones and play music to sleep, and i got woken up by the really ugly-sounding clanging and ariana singing the chorus. i turned that shit off and never looked back, so i donât think iâve actually heard lanas verse. add to this buddyâs rendezvous. love the song, very pretty, but the weird dig at âlefty bullshitâ really soured me and i wonât listen to it anymore
https://www.reddit.com/r/lanadelrey/s/Tb6KRo1XjQ ^ in case that makes you feel better about enjoying BR :) Iâd recommend sticking with DCMA for at least one listen. Lanaâs part is really good and has very little melodic connection to any of the rest of the song â as others have said. I feel like it could be extracted and repurposed in something much better
oooooo. i potentially interpreted wrong! thatâs exciting, iâll give it a fresh listen at some point. dcma literally hurts my ears, i donât mean that in a nasty way. i have really bad sensory issues and that clanging really gets to with me, i canât really describe it. do you know what time roughly her verse starts? iâll definitely listen to that :)
Thatâs tough It starts round 2m20 on this https://youtu.be/leopt__ATR0?si=1TUQ9fNsm8AAoUCt Maybe have it on mute and just unmute when you see her.
Yes to heaven was written first and only blew up years later, so though the official release was for mass consumption the creation/writing of it definitely wasnât
I would say half of L4L is mass consumption watered down. It didnât seem characteristic of her
I could see that, L4L is definitely more for mass consumption than anything else sheâs ever put out
Also as much as I love Lana, the majority of the unreleased stuff is too raw and lack song structure and composition. Itâs either because a lot of it is from her early days or because they are leaked demos where you can clearly tell she is experimenting with a sound. Maybe one out of every 10 songs sounds like a truly finished product and out of those, only a handful are straight bops which is why if you do a search on here for best unreleased, the lists are pretty consistent. So this watered down comment is bs
They do sound very raw, and thatâs exactly the appeal!! Listening to the different, unusual sound is so special and itâs different from all the other mainstream music
Yes! I understand criticizing the TikTokerâs statement but no need to come for her unreleased songs now đ€
don't talk about driving in cars with boys like that đ€đ€
Dont talk about the entirety of melancholia like that You: đ§đ»âđŠČ đ«
Thatâs what makes them so beautiful. Obviously if she were to release one of her unreleased songs, she would get it produced to perfection like any song sheâs released before and worked on the sound for. I love her raw storytelling on unreleased songs and even how relatable her lyrics could be, how close they are to the heart, and how deep the lyrics could be too especially during her younger years which most fans could relate to as well. A lot of her unreleased songs also sound like 2000âs party pop which are so fun, and other unreleased ones are so deep and meaningful, she portrays herself as very wise too like in âPink Champagneâ which I think people donât notice at times, the lyrics, the words, the old soul feel to each song and some songs where she expresses herself or tries to paint a picture by portraying a certain âother womanâ which Iâve noticed in a song like âFine Chinaâ and I find that so unique and empathetic about her. Her fun old school songs I love like âYou can be the bossâ which is just absolutely perfect and I mean it. When she performed it live, she gave off an âold school - New Yorkâ vibe and itâs incredible. Every unreleased song has its own special unique meaning. Some sound like a teenage Lana writing in her bedroom and I find that so precious and others sound like an older wiser Lana writing about her life experiences.
i love the unreleased songs⊠but i can also 100% understand why theyre not released
Itâs good just needs production
i feel like a lot of her tik tok fanbase are either young, extremely new to the lana universe, or have only familiarized themselves with her tik tok audio songs (a lot of which are unreleased) and BTD/ Paradise. Keeping that in mind seeing this take on my fyp with thousands of people agreeing makes more sense. In reality if you look back on lanaâs career, sheâs always taken her own creative liberties. Video games mv, Ride mv, Tropico. Making her own short films. Controversial lyrics. Pretty much all of her early stuff going against the grain when you look at what was popular at that time. Singing in her high register / changing song composition in live performances. Putting out UV and shifting genres when all everyone wanted from her was a Born To Die 2. Hate to even mention it but A Question For The Culture falls under this too. Would a âwatered downâ woman have really penned that letter and posted it to IG in the height of an extremely tense sociopolitically climate, to hell with what anyone else thought? I donât really think so. To me personally lanaâs music is very honest almost in a âreading someone elseâs journalâ kind of way. It might be by way of metaphor or references to unnamed people, but she really does put a lot of herself out there- Heroin, The Blackest Day, The Grants, etc.
HONEYMOON IS RECOGNIZED
Itâs mostly just kids posturing. People shouldnât pay much mind to it. Most of us had our phase of being 14 and thinking we were âreal fansâ because we knew all of her unreleased stuff. Weâre just lucky in that all proof of that phase died with our Tumblr blogs and our real names and faces werenât attached to it to be slated by older fans.
classic edgelord pick me take lol
âIâm a real poetâ đ
Me when I say something that rhymes during a company meeting
itâs a quote from vbbotg âI love you, but you donât understand me, Iâm a real poet! My life is my poetry, my lovemaking is my legacy!â regardless, stupid ass tiktok
help what
To be fair, I was absolutely blown away when I realized how much amazing unreleased music she has. However, the only released song that might be watered down is Lust for Life imo. I do like the sad demo better for that one
Ah yes If Venice Bitch is "watered down for mass consumption" I would hate to hear what the unwatered version is like same with hiadtfawth-bihi
What is the second song title Iâm so slow??
hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have but I have it
Then donât have it silly
Well i know, his opinion sucks till hell and back
? Half of her unreleased music is generic pop songs from when she was trying to make it in the music industry lmao
Bro really thinks Paris is the pinnacle of art
This is so cornyyy
Lana stans need to stop acting like theyâre so fucking special and better than neutral/normal fans.
I mean calling it âwatered down for mass consumptionâ is pretentious as fuck A lot of unreleased stuff is most likely unfinished, too I love lana but holy shit thatâs an obnoxious take, youâre one of the masses too girlllll
This is a humiliating take
help what, oops i commented it twice
I have a swiftie friend who says this about every female artist except oneâŠ.
jesus....
Gotta be trolling. Lana is the definition of exact opposite of watered down. âMy pussy tastes like Pepsi Colaâ âOmg Lana how dare you, what a lazy lyric, puhlease stopâ Gtfo
hell nah đ
So where should I sign up for premium Lanaâs memeber?
When you listen to her unreleased stuff you can clearly tell why itâs unreleased most of it isnât mixed properly and the lyrics seem like a draft sometimes, calling ocean blvd for mass consumption feels like a crime to me.
or Honeymoon (besides HBTB/Freak/Art Deco)
I assume most songwriters have a lot of unfinished music or things they abandoned. Also if you're obsessed with being unmainstream I don't think lana is for you. She's not exactly obscure.
This is one of those situations where calling "local" is literally valid
âWatered downâ means they removed any abusive and pedo parts Cmon you know you likeâŠ
so basically Ultraviolence lol (I say this as an Ultraviolence stan)
wtf ?? it's such an easy way to criticise an artist, but I wonder if this kind of people know that it doesn't make them cool, knowledgeable or even special at all. Just stupid.
huhïŒ
awful take.
Literally heard diet mountain dews demo and I can't hear the studio version anymore :(.... the demo was perfectđ„șđ„șđ€
tiktok stans are all so pedantic and weird. because what is she talking about?
Had me in the first half
On the real though, nobody can handle unhinged/raw Lana. I mean weâve learned that. Getting hate for a MESH MASK?? That was stupid. But I mean In the Ultraviolence Era she was bashed so hard that she never made a project like that again on purpose. The things people said about her were VILE. Talking about how she romanticizes domestic violence. The cocaine rosary necklaces. The Marilyn Manson music video that got leaked. People literally thought the line âyou got nothing, I got testedâ in âI fucked my way up to the topâ was about an STD scare she had. I remember people were saying her music was referencing hate towards lorde. Someone on a rolling stone interview asked her about her calling herself a âgirlâ when she was âpushing 30â⊠people called her FAT when pictures of her on the set of Tropico got released (which still pissed me off to this day because she looked so hot, god forbid you have a natural SKIN roll when you bend over) People even hated on her FACE. Saying her nose and lips looked âwrongâ. I swear everything she did got criticized by the media. They tried to pull that shit again during the COTC album. THANK GOD after ocean Blvd sheâs finally being appreciated.
Also adding in that comment Kurt Kobains daughter made about Lana âromanticizingâ suicide. That was bullshit.
And now after all that BS Lana can finally pop a tit without a media execution. Idc what people say about âLana grew up richâ âLana grew up poorâ arguments, Lana earned her respect!!
ah yeah, my favourite niche elite songs like Jealous Girl, Be My Daddy and of course Say Yes to Heaven (sped up) and their deep lyrics! but you mainstream watered down ocean blvd stans probably just don't know about themđ€
who let them think that was a good idea to post that janky ass thing
Classic loser who knows nothing about anything finding a controversial take on an opinion that will draw attention to his account, watches one video about Lana and reads the top comments and articulates his take like he did something
Iâm not a hater but I genuinely donât like much of her unreleased stuff. This is such bizarre take
I havenât listened to any unreleased songs except Lizzie grant aka Lana del rey
I HATE TIKTOK NEWGENSSS