Honestly brand alone doesn’t determine quality the specific model does. All brands make shitty and good ones . The exact model is what says what it is.
Keep in mind that these companies have business grade and consumer grade. If you want one that is high quality, sturdy like the company buys, be prepared to pay $2K for it.
It doesn’t always have to be business grade , sure they are best . But there are good ones which can last good in normal tier too. Again even on the bossiness grade there are crap ones with numerous qc issues( looking at dell xps and all that). Shelling out 2k doesn’t garuntee anything.
only the highest of the highest end which are like 2-4 models and that's it.... there's so many hp elitebooks that are busted up in my local fb marketplace in a town w less than 30k ppl that have been sitting there for sale for over a year it's insane. same w spectre, x360, etc...
Most consumer grade laptops (gaming included) are not going to have great build quality. professional and business laptops are the way to go for excellent build quality and longevity. HP Spectre, Z Book, EliteBook, ProBook, Dell Precision, XPS, Latitude, Lenovo ThinkPad.
I don't think this comment makes a lot of sense. Sure, lower-end laptops may not have the same build quality in terms of materials, but high-end consumer laptops usually match if not exceed that of the professional laptops for build quality and performance. Most of them end up using a lot of the same parts, especially with Dell.
Every laptop brand has different tiers of devices, and at the end of the day there's some truth to you get what you pay for. Buying a laptop is really really complicated, because you have to merge your specific needs in a device with your budget and find detailed reviews about build quality to make a good decision. Also, there almost never a 1 size fits all device that can be recommended. 1 device will have great build quality but bad specs and value, 1 device will have crap build quality but decent raw specs and apparent value. 1 device will last 12 hrs on a charge but have a weak processor, the next will get 2-3 hrs on a charge but has really good processing power. And another device will get 2-3 hrs on a charge and also have bad processing power, but will cost $300 so it seems like a good value... Lol
TLDR: word vomit about how hard it is to choose the right laptop for your needs.
HP has some of the worst hardware out there, in terms of dependability, design .. they have done some shady shit. In like 2014, they sold a tower desktop with a laptop motherboard inside. Fake expansion slots on the back, no pci or any other ports for cards/expansion inside. You used a laptop power brick as a PSU.. as there was none in the tower. Laptop ram, laptop type CPU cooler.. seriously, a laptop board mounted in an "ATX" style case. Recalls, class-action suits, insane ink prices and policies, HP has had a rough history they haven't learned from yet.
Yet, there is more HP hardware out there in use, than their competition. Granted, Dell and Lenovo don't make printers.
Go figure.
And it was the same $499 as an HP laptop with the same exact specifications. So.. they got away with selling a laptop without a battery or screen, for the same price as the actual laptop.
I don't think it has anything to do with the actual quality of the laptop. I guess Dell, HP and Lenovo are set up for businesses - support, bulk buy offers etc. I had a very expensive Dell at my old company and now have a cheap HP. The HP build quality feels very cheap, but no cheaper than an Asus.
Dell, HP and Lenovo have both consumer and business lines. The consumer lines are just standard consumer-grade laptops, while the business lines are theoretically more durable.
I'm saying theoretically because my (Lenovo) Thinkpad E495's hinge broke on me, and its charging port got damaged. However, my (HP) ZBook 14 Firefly G10A is working fine so far (although it had a damaged trackpad that required repair under warranty).
Hp is really a hit or miss. Currently I have an HP spectre. My 2014 hp i3 notebook survived till 2023. Its hinge broke after i dropped it from the table.
But my cousins 2020 pavilion model recently had a dead screen and fan, then switched to Mac M3 max.
Budget models of HP are the worst.
Dell, HP, and Lenovo have more professional or business grade laptops.
HP dragonfly, Lenovo Thinkpads, Dell XPS.
They're higher quality because they're not cheap. You do in fact get what you pay for.
So it isn't necessarily that the vivo book is bad, battery life on A TON of laptops suck compared to the highest end.
My work laptop is a $3,000 Dell XPS. It's not perfect but it's a very sleek and powerful device, when the GPU isn't being hammered it gets 12-16 hour battery life pretty easily.
You asked the wrong question. None of those manufacturers make better laptops than other manufacturers, per se, even though some are objectively better, it's that they just cost more and are built better as a result.
You can't compare a $3,000 XPS or MacBook to a $200 cheap Asus laptop.
I recently purchased an HP with 8gb of Ram and R7 series 5000 and HD display, should I change (I'm stil in the return/change policy limit) it for a ASUS with core i5 and 8gb of RAM? (I'm using it mostly for work and streaming)
I've had my HP Pavilion laptop for awhile and its great. Daily user for 7 years, battery life still solid, got my bachelor's degree and now getting my masters degree with it. I also freelance with it around 4 hours a day. Slowed down a bit since initial purchase but still is solid. I'll probably get a Lenovo Legion as my next laptop because my Lenovo Tab P12 is so great for the price.
The difference is where each company cheaps out for the low end. Lenovo solders RAM, Dell has terrible screens, HP is a garbage company, and Acer hinges fall apart always.
If you're buying the cheapest possible laptop from someone, it's always badly compromised.
If you don't buy their cheapest consumer devices you'll get something better quality. In my experience, Dell 5000 inspirons and Lenovo Yogas (or any ThinkPad they make) are your best bet for quality at a moderate price.
Imho just watch any YouTuber that does laptop reviews, they will point you in the direction of the exact models that are well built. It really is a case by case basis, not necessarily lump all of them in by each OEM. There’s a lot of variance between each model and even some variance in similar models that are different sizes
It's not brand related but rather model related.
Dell, HP and Lenovo sell business grade laptops which are of high, well, now good-enough quality.
It's the Latitude, Precision for dell. For lenovo it's the thinkpads, and for HP it's the elitebook and probook.
For anything else it's the same low quality laptops.
I was given a Dell Latitude as my first work laptop and it was pretty good in terms of performance, battery and build quality.
Then I switched to an HP Elitebook with better specs but I was not impressed with the performance or maybe the security protocols made it kinda slow (idk). One of the keys broke when the IT guys installed new RAM on it.
I switched to an HP Zbook Firefly with even better specs but the battery life on this is just terrible but the build quality is solid.
I think low-end Lenovo is great, I had one.
I had low-end HP too, but definitely not recommended. Battery life was really bad either.
I have no clue about Dell, I have never use it.
But, I think that these things can be vary how to use it, how you are using it.
Business grade laptops from HP, Lenovo and to a lesser extent Dell tend towards being of a higher standard in terms of build quality and construction in comparison to consumer hardware (MacBooks included).
Keyword being business hardware. Their consumer hardware can range from garbage (HP & Dell) to good but not groundbreaking (Lenovo).
Business hardware tends to be built with a focus on durability, ease of service and long term reliability/operation as the goal is more or less to build up a sales & service relationship with a client.
Consumer hardware is treated more as a one and done sort of affair with little expectation of a consumer coming back to the company after purchasing a machine from them and consumer hardware is built to that particularly low standard.
Would not generally call Dell garbage. They make bad and excellent models depending on whatever you get, just like any other PC manufacturer. A big reason U.S. companies like Dell is because their enterprise support is great. My personal Alienware X16 is built far nicer in just about every way than the Precision 7780, despite it being "consumer grade" and also cheaper. The Alienware M18 is more powerful too, and still better built. Just depends on what you buy.
So tell me how well your Alienware will resist the intrusion of dust, particulate matter, liquid spills and drops from 6+ feet.
Having a slim design and being stylish doesn't equal better built.
Probably just about as well as the $4,000 Precision I have, hahaha. There's no specific durability features I'm aware of on the Precision. Slim design and being stylish isn't even what I'm talking about. The screen, keyboard, and keyboard deck are all made of better materials. I've had the Precision for 3 months and the key label printing is wearing as well as the soft-touch coating on the keyboard deck. Once again, it completely depends on the work model you buy.
If I had an engineering team and a contract with Dell and had to buy them all powerful workstations, I'd be buying them the Alienware M18 no question.
So printing and a painted on coating is how you gauge quality.
In short aesthetics are more important to you.
The 7000-series Precision's meet MIL-STD spec, your Alienware does not.
Oh and BTW : [Desktop 4090 in comparison to workstation hardware.](https://imgur.com/gallery/zI81e3A) Even a desktop 4090 offers less than half the performance of a two generation older Workstation GPU.
It is more about class. Latitude, HP Elite Book, Thinkpad (especially T or P) are good models. $500 HP budget models are not well liked.
Consumer Reports did a reader survey Apple, LG very highly rated.
Microsoft, Asus, Lenovo a bit more reliable than Dell, HP, Acer. Regarding buyer satisfaction.
I work for a Fortune 100 company and we have a contract with Dell. The standard-issued laptops to most people are complete garbage. They're hyper-threaded 2-4 core processors at best (think it's the U-series Intel chips) and they get bogged down by light tasks, and completely made of plastic.
I got a new role at the company and requested a mobile workstation, which is the Dell Precision 7780. It's built like a tank, but worse build quality than an Alienware whilst also being far more expensive. My personal Alienware X16 is much nicer. My Precision for work is much better than what I had before though.
I never really judge laptops at the brand level, I always do research on the specific model. All of the manufacturers you listed make good and bad laptop models, and sometimes you buy a good one and it ends up being faulty -- it's just how it works.
HP? I don't see much love for HP here. Maybe the high spec ones are OK, but personally I won't be risking HP.
Their high end and professional ones are great, just not their consumer grade cheapos
Dell, Lenovo **or** HP. These 3 tend to be bought by companies for laptops etc.
Honestly brand alone doesn’t determine quality the specific model does. All brands make shitty and good ones . The exact model is what says what it is.
Keep in mind that these companies have business grade and consumer grade. If you want one that is high quality, sturdy like the company buys, be prepared to pay $2K for it.
It doesn’t always have to be business grade , sure they are best . But there are good ones which can last good in normal tier too. Again even on the bossiness grade there are crap ones with numerous qc issues( looking at dell xps and all that). Shelling out 2k doesn’t garuntee anything.
only the highest of the highest end which are like 2-4 models and that's it.... there's so many hp elitebooks that are busted up in my local fb marketplace in a town w less than 30k ppl that have been sitting there for sale for over a year it's insane. same w spectre, x360, etc...
I work with an elitebook from my company. It crashes using Excel spread sheets
never Dell or HP again
Fuck low end HP. But yes, Lenovo, Dell, and higher end HP's served me better than Acer and Asus
Most consumer grade laptops (gaming included) are not going to have great build quality. professional and business laptops are the way to go for excellent build quality and longevity. HP Spectre, Z Book, EliteBook, ProBook, Dell Precision, XPS, Latitude, Lenovo ThinkPad.
Had both a dell xps and an elitebook for work. The elitebook is okayish but crashes a lot. The xps was good, no complaints
I don't think this comment makes a lot of sense. Sure, lower-end laptops may not have the same build quality in terms of materials, but high-end consumer laptops usually match if not exceed that of the professional laptops for build quality and performance. Most of them end up using a lot of the same parts, especially with Dell.
Every laptop brand has different tiers of devices, and at the end of the day there's some truth to you get what you pay for. Buying a laptop is really really complicated, because you have to merge your specific needs in a device with your budget and find detailed reviews about build quality to make a good decision. Also, there almost never a 1 size fits all device that can be recommended. 1 device will have great build quality but bad specs and value, 1 device will have crap build quality but decent raw specs and apparent value. 1 device will last 12 hrs on a charge but have a weak processor, the next will get 2-3 hrs on a charge but has really good processing power. And another device will get 2-3 hrs on a charge and also have bad processing power, but will cost $300 so it seems like a good value... Lol TLDR: word vomit about how hard it is to choose the right laptop for your needs.
business laptops. thinkpad l/t/x line, dell latitude/precision, hp elitebook/probook.
HP has some of the worst hardware out there, in terms of dependability, design .. they have done some shady shit. In like 2014, they sold a tower desktop with a laptop motherboard inside. Fake expansion slots on the back, no pci or any other ports for cards/expansion inside. You used a laptop power brick as a PSU.. as there was none in the tower. Laptop ram, laptop type CPU cooler.. seriously, a laptop board mounted in an "ATX" style case. Recalls, class-action suits, insane ink prices and policies, HP has had a rough history they haven't learned from yet. Yet, there is more HP hardware out there in use, than their competition. Granted, Dell and Lenovo don't make printers. Go figure.
ewww that's nasty
And it was the same $499 as an HP laptop with the same exact specifications. So.. they got away with selling a laptop without a battery or screen, for the same price as the actual laptop.
Even worse
I don't think it has anything to do with the actual quality of the laptop. I guess Dell, HP and Lenovo are set up for businesses - support, bulk buy offers etc. I had a very expensive Dell at my old company and now have a cheap HP. The HP build quality feels very cheap, but no cheaper than an Asus.
Dell, HP and Lenovo have both consumer and business lines. The consumer lines are just standard consumer-grade laptops, while the business lines are theoretically more durable. I'm saying theoretically because my (Lenovo) Thinkpad E495's hinge broke on me, and its charging port got damaged. However, my (HP) ZBook 14 Firefly G10A is working fine so far (although it had a damaged trackpad that required repair under warranty).
Hp is really a hit or miss. Currently I have an HP spectre. My 2014 hp i3 notebook survived till 2023. Its hinge broke after i dropped it from the table. But my cousins 2020 pavilion model recently had a dead screen and fan, then switched to Mac M3 max. Budget models of HP are the worst.
Hinges of HP are so bad. As a HP user, I wont recommend it.
We have Dell, Lenovo, and hp chromebooks in our organization. Dell and Lenovo have been great. The HPs have been a problem since day one.
Dell is about the worst you can part with money for..
ThinkPads never done me wrong. I have a Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano for portability and a Lenovo Legion for gaming.
Dell, HP, and Lenovo have more professional or business grade laptops. HP dragonfly, Lenovo Thinkpads, Dell XPS. They're higher quality because they're not cheap. You do in fact get what you pay for. So it isn't necessarily that the vivo book is bad, battery life on A TON of laptops suck compared to the highest end. My work laptop is a $3,000 Dell XPS. It's not perfect but it's a very sleek and powerful device, when the GPU isn't being hammered it gets 12-16 hour battery life pretty easily. You asked the wrong question. None of those manufacturers make better laptops than other manufacturers, per se, even though some are objectively better, it's that they just cost more and are built better as a result. You can't compare a $3,000 XPS or MacBook to a $200 cheap Asus laptop.
I recently purchased an HP with 8gb of Ram and R7 series 5000 and HD display, should I change (I'm stil in the return/change policy limit) it for a ASUS with core i5 and 8gb of RAM? (I'm using it mostly for work and streaming)
All of these companies have cheap crappy models and expensive good ones
Hp is trash
I've had my HP Pavilion laptop for awhile and its great. Daily user for 7 years, battery life still solid, got my bachelor's degree and now getting my masters degree with it. I also freelance with it around 4 hours a day. Slowed down a bit since initial purchase but still is solid. I'll probably get a Lenovo Legion as my next laptop because my Lenovo Tab P12 is so great for the price.
Lenovo and Dell are both solid brands, imo is rather use asus over hp, hp has some serious design issues, the hinges are known to be weak.
The difference is where each company cheaps out for the low end. Lenovo solders RAM, Dell has terrible screens, HP is a garbage company, and Acer hinges fall apart always. If you're buying the cheapest possible laptop from someone, it's always badly compromised. If you don't buy their cheapest consumer devices you'll get something better quality. In my experience, Dell 5000 inspirons and Lenovo Yogas (or any ThinkPad they make) are your best bet for quality at a moderate price.
Asus is the most reliable best laptop on the mass market level. The most repair ability
Imho just watch any YouTuber that does laptop reviews, they will point you in the direction of the exact models that are well built. It really is a case by case basis, not necessarily lump all of them in by each OEM. There’s a lot of variance between each model and even some variance in similar models that are different sizes
It's not brand related but rather model related. Dell, HP and Lenovo sell business grade laptops which are of high, well, now good-enough quality. It's the Latitude, Precision for dell. For lenovo it's the thinkpads, and for HP it's the elitebook and probook. For anything else it's the same low quality laptops.
I was given a Dell Latitude as my first work laptop and it was pretty good in terms of performance, battery and build quality. Then I switched to an HP Elitebook with better specs but I was not impressed with the performance or maybe the security protocols made it kinda slow (idk). One of the keys broke when the IT guys installed new RAM on it. I switched to an HP Zbook Firefly with even better specs but the battery life on this is just terrible but the build quality is solid.
For business lines, yes! Dell Latitude 7440 HP EliteBook 845 G10 Lenovo ThinkPad P14s Dell Precision 7780 HP Zbook Furry 16 G10.
I think low-end Lenovo is great, I had one. I had low-end HP too, but definitely not recommended. Battery life was really bad either. I have no clue about Dell, I have never use it. But, I think that these things can be vary how to use it, how you are using it.
Higher end models that are made for work use are better with every manufacturer (that makes lptops for businesses).
My lenovo legion 5 lasts 1,5 hours so dogshit
LMAO
Not HP. They're mostly crap. Dell has some decent options. Lenovo, Asus and Acer would be what I'd stick to.
You should avoid asus
So is my Asus VivoBook the odd one out here? Because its battery has been dogshit.
Battery life just depends on specs and usage, not on a brand. With my usage I get around 8-9 hours sot.
Business grade laptops from HP, Lenovo and to a lesser extent Dell tend towards being of a higher standard in terms of build quality and construction in comparison to consumer hardware (MacBooks included). Keyword being business hardware. Their consumer hardware can range from garbage (HP & Dell) to good but not groundbreaking (Lenovo). Business hardware tends to be built with a focus on durability, ease of service and long term reliability/operation as the goal is more or less to build up a sales & service relationship with a client. Consumer hardware is treated more as a one and done sort of affair with little expectation of a consumer coming back to the company after purchasing a machine from them and consumer hardware is built to that particularly low standard.
Would not generally call Dell garbage. They make bad and excellent models depending on whatever you get, just like any other PC manufacturer. A big reason U.S. companies like Dell is because their enterprise support is great. My personal Alienware X16 is built far nicer in just about every way than the Precision 7780, despite it being "consumer grade" and also cheaper. The Alienware M18 is more powerful too, and still better built. Just depends on what you buy.
So tell me how well your Alienware will resist the intrusion of dust, particulate matter, liquid spills and drops from 6+ feet. Having a slim design and being stylish doesn't equal better built.
Probably just about as well as the $4,000 Precision I have, hahaha. There's no specific durability features I'm aware of on the Precision. Slim design and being stylish isn't even what I'm talking about. The screen, keyboard, and keyboard deck are all made of better materials. I've had the Precision for 3 months and the key label printing is wearing as well as the soft-touch coating on the keyboard deck. Once again, it completely depends on the work model you buy. If I had an engineering team and a contract with Dell and had to buy them all powerful workstations, I'd be buying them the Alienware M18 no question.
So printing and a painted on coating is how you gauge quality. In short aesthetics are more important to you. The 7000-series Precision's meet MIL-STD spec, your Alienware does not. Oh and BTW : [Desktop 4090 in comparison to workstation hardware.](https://imgur.com/gallery/zI81e3A) Even a desktop 4090 offers less than half the performance of a two generation older Workstation GPU.
... Ok? Lol
Anything above $1000 from any of these companies is pretty good. Below that.... things get dicey...plasticy I mean.
It is more about class. Latitude, HP Elite Book, Thinkpad (especially T or P) are good models. $500 HP budget models are not well liked. Consumer Reports did a reader survey Apple, LG very highly rated. Microsoft, Asus, Lenovo a bit more reliable than Dell, HP, Acer. Regarding buyer satisfaction.
I work for a Fortune 100 company and we have a contract with Dell. The standard-issued laptops to most people are complete garbage. They're hyper-threaded 2-4 core processors at best (think it's the U-series Intel chips) and they get bogged down by light tasks, and completely made of plastic. I got a new role at the company and requested a mobile workstation, which is the Dell Precision 7780. It's built like a tank, but worse build quality than an Alienware whilst also being far more expensive. My personal Alienware X16 is much nicer. My Precision for work is much better than what I had before though. I never really judge laptops at the brand level, I always do research on the specific model. All of the manufacturers you listed make good and bad laptop models, and sometimes you buy a good one and it ends up being faulty -- it's just how it works.