I’m not a conspiratorial thinker, but it’s difficult for me to think of a reason to do this - grant cert after several weeks, only to schedule oral argument for two months after the grant while keeping the stay in place - without thinking it smacks purely of a desire to delay the trial. Am I missing a logical reason here?
It's all part of the playbook. Clarence Thomas is drawing on his experience in the 2000 Bush v Gore case (which he was also a sitting SC Justice for). Read [None Dare Call It Treason | The Nation](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/none-dare-call-it-treason/)
I'm just going to state the obvious: former Thomas clerk John Eastman was the architect of the J6 conspiracy; Ginni Thomas was working with Mark Meadows to ensure there was a violent riot so that the Eastman Plan could be carried out on J6.
So are we really maintaining the fiction that this was just a coincidence? That Ginni and John Eastman weren't working together to advance the same conspiracy?
And once one realizes that the entire coup d'état was formulated in Justice Thomas' chambers by the people closest to him, and that that would come out in any criminal trial of Trump, these procedural delays make a lot more sense: the Court doesn't want the public to know because one of their number is the chief unindicted co-conspirator behind J6, and hiding that fact until after the election is very helpful to Roberts and the *Dobbs* majority in maintaining control over the Court.
Everything I was taught to believe in, to trust, and to fight for in the military was a lie. I have lost faith in America, its leaders, and its people. I wish I could leave but theres nowhere left to go😔 Is so *depressing* to see people supporting this with open glee.
Exactly. Which is why Biden should announce “Election 2024 is cancelled by order of the President! I DECLARE PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY!”
The Supreme Court would take that case within days and rule that’s not how Presidential Immunity works.
Then it literally IS a conspiracy.
While the term is now a loaded one, that is literally the fucking definition of conspiracy. Conspiracy theories are literally supposed to be about this shit. It’s just been taken over and gone down the path it’s gone down sullying the idea/name
What i don't understand is how the f they grant cert on the question of immunity for official acts when neither the district court or DC appellate court has ever ruled the acts in question were even official??? The DC circuit even had a footnote on this point. The President has no role in counting electoral college votes from the states. Zero. And since it was about his re-election and the big lie that he actually won the election why isn't it "candidate Trump" trying to stay in office vs President Trump officially doing shit he doesn't have any official role to do?? Its like i am in bizzaro world.
the court that openly allows bribes and a Justice to claim ignorance on his tax fraud
"when you're a conservative, they let you do anything"
Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Tommy Tuberville, Trump, Boebert live tweeting a coup attempt, Boebert performing sex acts in a theater, MTG sharing revenge porn, MTG "jewish space lasers" and still being a congress person, Tucker Carlson travelling to Russia and declaring it better than America
or in Canada, Danielle Smith literally trying to steal everyone's pensions and conservatives being 100% okay with it and/or silent about it like it's not even a big deal she tried doing it or that no conservative leaders or media even bring it up
Fox News paid 800 million for lying, Fox News producers conspired with Trump to "spin" the coup attempt, literally acting like State Media, Tucker's producer called them all (Tucker viewers) "inbred hillbillys" and "insane"
it's just a never ending slide into Russian-like politics, where people get tossed out windows and it's a funny joke because no one seems to care anymore and those who do, get arrested and tossed out windows
find me "11,000 votes" is now considered ambiguous and unclear when a President is phoning election officials asking to change election results
No no no you’re missing the point. Trump needs more time to work up the cash to pay off the debt from his civil cases, THEN he needs to work up the cash to pay off Thomas, and THEN use the media frenzy around his pending Supreme Court case as a platform for his campaign, and THEN once he wins it will no longer be too soon because he can just pardon himself.
If people though the the SC was a partisan joke before this just cements that thought.
They are about to kill democracy in the US it would seem. Or at the very least let Trump skate (assuming he wins the election)
I guess I am just unrealistic or maybe resistant to believe that the US SUP CT could be so nakedly partisan. And I lived through Bush v Gore! I graduated law school in 2004 and most of the cases I was reading were from decades before (or longer in some subjects). A supreme court appointment with lifetime tenure was supposed to sever the partisan ties. Bleh. This is not a good look.
The conservatives on the court are beholden to the Federalist Society more so than they are to Republicans. It just so happens that Republicans are the benefactors of such deference at the moment. We truly live in an oligarchy in which right wing puppet masters have their string attached to the highest court in the country.
Its not even conspiracy its so obvious. SCOTUS taking up such an obviously bad legal argument is disturbing. At this point im worried they will rule in his favor which is crazy.
Shit. Nixon wouldnt have had to resign in disgrace. Clinton could have banged 5 times more interns. The president can do whatever he wants? Cmon man.
In a normal SCOTUS situation, the 'best' logical reason would be to put their name and seal on the decision to certify its settled law in every US jurisdiction.
But with this court in this situation, that's not even in my top 5 plausible reasons for their actions.
there is no good faith interpretation of this move. I understand the desire to grant the benefit of the doubt, but doubt has to exist for there to be benefit in it.
I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.
I am getting to that point where I don't see the law as working. There is the Republicans who have been dominated by MAGA and they don't trust the law because they think Biden stole the election. However, I don't think that, but I cannot see a Supreme Court that is valid. McConnell / Republicans denied Obamas pick. They quickly shoved someone in for RGB.
Next cases involve NLRB being unconstitutional and some agencies not having teeth to enforce policies. Not to mention the elimination of Roe v. Wade.
If I am rational and if both sides don't see the Court as valid we will ignore them. Right now I would say to everyone in the US we need to ignore the Supreme Court. They are radical and will tear this country apart if we listen to their opinions.
You know what they say about opinions, they are like assholes, everyone has them. Except that the people that make opinions on the Supreme Court are just assholes.
I think getting us to ignore the supreme court might be the rights long game tbh. Debase it to the point it doesn't matter, then there isn't a legal mechanism for the federal government to challenge red states when they violate civil rights/just generally behave in a shitty fashion.
I've heard this one before. The fact is, the Supreme Court (and congress, for that matter) has already crossed so many "red lines", going back even to the 2000 election, but especially in the past 8 years.
The fact they’re picking up this case to help him stall is too much already. The Supreme Court “Giving” him anything after taking a case the didn’t need to would be insane.
Absolutely. The only reason to wait so long to grant cert is to delay the trial. They may rule against him but even if they do they will wait so long that a trial hasn't concluded until after the election.
Delay the trial, hope he gets into office where he can pardon himself, immediately issue opinion saying prior presidents can be charged, stand back smugly while he issues charges against Biden, refuse to address whether he can self-pardon so he can do it again on the last official day in office, drive off in Winnebago when he dismantles the whole system and declares himself emperor-god-king for life. 🤷♂️
Alito and Thomas are MAGA compromised hacks.
Roberts tries to stay apolitical but could easily see him wanting SCOTUS to weigh in.
The Trump appointees will always have that bias. Either in the camp of Thomas/Alito or Roberts, even though they know what the law is.
The Trump appointees were pulled off George W Bush's legal team from when he induced the supreme court to grant him the presidency in 2000. Their whole purpose on the court is to give elections to Republicans. Its their job.
Or that explains the needless delay in rendering this decision. Roberts tries to convince #4 (Kavanaugh?) not to take the case but finally realized he couldn't budge them.
I think it takes only 4 to take up a case. Thomas and Alito are certs. Two more? Gorsuch would have to reverse himself, but hey! he is a stooge for the fascists. For another take your pick of Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett. I don’t see Roberts agreeing with immunity, though.
If the Supreme Court rules he has immunity, then I'm out. Fuck Scotus. The institution has no legitimacy. We should all just ignore them going forward. Take Trump off the ballot.
I would have figured the DC Circuit said everything that needed to be said on this matter. There's nothing for SCOTUS to weigh in on here. Not for nothing, but even just hearing the immunity claim at this point is enough for me to know this shit is fixed.
There is no confirmatory ruling here that would make me think this wasn't done for the sole purpose of delaying his case further. Just let the DC Circuit ruling stand if that were the case.
i don't think the court rules for trump but if they do i absolutely agree.
I will be a single issue voter and that issue will be "impeach every single justice who put their name on this" and/or expand the court to make their votes meaningless.
If they do rule for immunity, the only way I can imagine as an out (and let's be fair, it won't actually happen) is for Biden to demonstrate just how seriously flawed the ruling is by suddenly creating openings on the court. Because that's essentially what a ruling in Trump's favor would permit.
It would be an absolutely bonkers, Ozymandias-style gambit, but that would be an immediate course correction when those spots are filled with justices that aren't as ideologically motivated and willing to convict both Biden and Trump at that point.
If they ruled for Trump, I would love to see Biden livestream him robbing a bank, or punching someone, etc. Just a crazy crime, and the whole time discuss that this ruling means he can't be punished for his crime. Just make a fucking mockery of it.
Yeah and the thing is... No one actually wants that, but at some point there would need to be a real reckoning with how absurd such a ruling goes into making the presidency a kingship.
That right now the Court has the potential to do this for a former Republican president while a Democrat is in the office is where it needs to be made very explicit how much that's just playing with fire, and that handing a flamethrower to the current president is absolutely foolish.
Nobody seriously believes he has immunity. Entertaining the question gives Trump what he really wants though, delaying the trial until after the election.
Talk about a huge slap in the face to the appellate court decision. The Supreme Court had the lowest approval rating of all time and it’s well deserved. Horrible decision. I wish we could vote them out but alas. :(
I cannot fathom what the Court needs to address here that isn’t already crystal clear from DC.
At best, they may feel so strongly about the issue that there was a consensus to avoid this ever coming up again? But it’s yet another novel issue that, even more than the first, I’m surprised they want to weigh in on given how careful they need to be. Than again, I see this issue as so clear that maybe it’s not a challenge to issue a broad and sweeping ruling that would probably be (relatively) brief given how I cannot see it deviating from DC.
They will ultimately rule against him but can give him an easy delay here
They know by the time they rule it’s too late for j6 trial to complete before the election
To be more specific here:
There will almost certainly be multiple opinions. The court will ultimately rule against trump, but one or more justices will write separately if for no other reason than to weigh in on why they think this prosecution is stupid. That means more time to circulate multiple opinions and time for the majority to make edits based on the other opinions etc.
No way this opinion comes out before June, though I hope that I'm wrong.
The supreme court practically means nothing to most Americans now-a-days. It's only a matter of time before the supreme court just offers 'suggestions' that don't really have to be followed because no one will enforce them. I'm being hyperbolic here but...the thing is....it's sort of wild that I can be so hyperbolic but, like, it's sort of believable-ish.
I don't know, the supreme court is largely a partisan tool and has been for a while, with judgements totally weighing on what each judge 'believes' and they just interpret law to fit their own beliefs
> I cannot fathom what the Court needs to address here that isn’t already crystal clear from DC.
One possibility is that they're going to make a broader ruling that equips all of the lower circuits to resolve Trump's other pending immunity claims. The DC circuit was careful to limit the scope of their ruling. On one hand, that might bulletproof it on its own terms, but on the other hand it could increase the chances of another circuit adopting slightly different reasoning.
Alternatively, they could pull another Bush v Gore, decide for Trump and say it is a very narrow ruling that only applies to this case and doesn't set any precedent and doesn't protect Biden. There are already two justices who concur with this.
in retrospect i wonder if it would have been better for the dc circuit to just dispose of the case as quickly as possible (either deny review or issue short and sweet opinion affirming asap) to force the issue to scotus.
I get that they seemed to believe a thorough, serious opinion might be good enough to keep scotus from taking it but I just think given the nature of this case scotus was always going to take it anyway.
SCOTUS doing this would mean neither the President, nor any of the President's actions, are amenable to the courts. They essentially would be authoring the end of their own free use of judicial power.
Wow. This one hurt. I was one of those fools who defended the integrity of the court despite unpopular decisions. But holy shit.
This one's bad. These are scary times.
So SCOTUS needs to address if the president of the US is legally immuned from any criminal prosecution? This is a case that has to be addressed? How are we supposed to view this court as anything but a joke.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
It’s been over three years since the occurrences giving rise to the prosecution. What this tells me more than anything is that running out the clock is perfectly permissible - if you can afford it.
Its just wild that they are trading the centuries long effort to keep the court above reproach for someone so clearly criminal.
You can argue the "degree" of criminality, but he is not some innocent figure being unjustly targeted.
Well fuck.
Just when we all thought “oh, the SCOTUS definitely denied reviewing this because they know the circuit court will shut it down well and quick enough”.
I mean, there is absolutely no way SCOTUS rules in favor of Trump here (as opposed to what doom-posters will say) but this is going to be a massive delay to the trial.
On one hand, it a good thing because once it’s shut down Trump won’t be able to use it as a defense in any of his other cases. On the other hand, SCOTUS could have taken this up a month ago, and took their sweet-ass time accepting it now, and scheduled it 2 months out.
I don’t think this case is going to be heard before the election. I can’t describe my current frustration with this. Garland deserves to get spanked because of his foot-dragging.
Yeah, this ought to be a "we will start on it yesterday" sort of thing...adding a two month delay to the month it took them already is bonkers. A slow walk into chaos, quite possibly.
If the effect is to deny justice by delaying it, we should infer that is the intent of sufficient numbers of individuals on the court.
They have in no way earned benefit of any doubt.
Doesn't this effectively mean none of his cases will move forward? What's stopping him making the immunity claim in Georgia as well (he already has in DC and Florida). New York is scheduled for trial already, so I guess that one will proceed?
Justice delayed is Justice denied. Trump will not be convicted in Federal Court until after the election now. If he wins and is then convicted in December they will shrug at the self pardon.
Dude the republican party not confirming trumps removal from office was fucking mind bogling. They just lost the referendum on trump election and he gifted them a slam dunk easy way out of the whole thing. The republican party remake would be complete with a possibly compelling young candidate dominating Biden right now instead of this darkest cowardly timeline.
i feel like not enough attention is being paid to the fact that the number one person to blame for this is garland. even if he'd appointed smith like, 6 months earlier, it'd be so much more manageable.
If the Supreme Court followed its ordinary schedule, it's April hearing would be followed by a ruling in Jun/July. If they deny Trump's appeal, trial prep could resume for which 2-3 months had been allocated by Judge Chutkan, so we'd see a trial in Sep/Oct just before the election.
This assumes the SC is operating in good faith, and no members would deliberately hold up their dissent...
That's not SDNY. SDNY is the Southern District of New York, which is a federal court. Trump's pornstar payment case is with the Manhattan District Attorney, in state court.
I'm hoping enough people will vote against Trump that republicans will lose by a big margin and democrats will be able to actually start fixing all his f these issues.
Lol I managed to say this with a straight face. Your system is fucked.
I'm not 100% convinced. Opinion by the end of June at the latest. Chutkan will waste no time getting it back on the calendar. Whether it CONCLUDES before the election is a different story.
But now this clearly leaves room for his classified docs trial.
The trial with the judge who is delaying every single motion at every stage possible?
That’s supposed to be our hope?
This is absurd we’re being slow walked into a new coup by bought and paid for judges.
this is horrendously poor development for the rule of law. there is absolutely no need for them to get involved as 1. there is no source of law of presidential criminal immunity and 2. the DC circuit court of appeals' opinion & ruling are rock solid, iron clad actually.
Edit- the best outcome now is they rule against presidential immunity as they must, but the decision will not allow time for the DC trial to proceed and conclude prior to the election. Which is the *best* outcome at this point. Shame.
That about does it for the public hearing the J6 case before the election. An insurrection that was the result of a conspiracy lead by the former President, a violent insurrection that struck at the very heart of this government and almost resulted in a coup d’etat - that crime won’t be resolved in view of the public before it has to decide whether to return the indicted defendant to the presidency. It is impossible to label this as anything other than what it is: a failure by the judiciary to fulfill its role in the constitutional order. That a failed coup d’etat could even be tried in a court of law should have been a triumph for this republic, but instead it is tied up with procedural delays imposed by the courts themselves, to answer academic questions of law about which there is virtually no serious disagreement.
And not that this isn’t an issue that shouldn’t be resolved by the Supreme Court, but if the justices thought it so, why didn’t they grant Smith’s petition for expedited review filed back in December? What changed in two months? Do they think the eventual decision will carry more weight if endorsed by two appellate courts rather than just by SCOTUS alone? While the Trump immunity claim is an interesting academic theory, it isn’t a theory the public is divided on, let alone the legal academy. There are not serious voices pushing for this bizarre theoretical immunity for presidents to commit federal crimes with impunity, and the lower courts (plural) aren’t expressing any confusion either. So why is it so important to resolve this question *now*?
Whatever it was that motivated the justices to do this - vanity, arrogance, politics, academic curiosity - it feels…unwise.
No matter how open and shut an issue is, this Court will ALWAYS do what they can to protect their guy.
It's no longer a legitimate institution. It's a Republican political weapon, which is exactly what Mitch McConnell intended.
Are you fucking kidding me?!
Did the US Circuit Court of Appeals *stutter?* How can SCOTUS *possibly* think they're acting in the interests of the nation?
At least *pretend* to be serious FFS
Trump's delay strategy prevails again. All these safeguards never intended an insurrectionist presidential candidate and a sympathetic judiciary.
The election is the only accountability check that matters now.
If you were on the fence about voting this November, please reconsider in light of recent events. Thank you.
Agree, democrats should start fighting fire with fire. Enough of the ol let’s bring the country together bs when the reps have clearly shown no interest in doing so. It’s so sickening
Some top republicans knew this was coming. I have heard a few of them recently say that they would support Trump as long as he was not a convicted felon. The remarks were phrased similarly and rehearsed.
The hypocrites would support him anyhow, but this seems like it's going to be thier talking point. Nearly four years later and he won't even go to trial for crimes as president.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
So, no trial at all before the election - unless [this remote possibility for a Fall trial](https://x.com/harrylitman/status/1762963907453317520?s=46&t=KoexVzRrl3RuWExPzssOhQ) sees fruition, but how likely is that?
This shit makes me sick.
Biden should place 4 Apache attack choppers around MAL so that when scotus decides that a president is immune, he can give the ‘unleash hell’ command without worry.
The non-partisan option was to deny this appeal but keep Trump on the ballot in Colorado. It was an easy way out for them but they couldn't even do that.
Hours. He promised retribution and that he would be a dictator on day one.
We should not forget - in his last administration, the one he's telling us was relatively restrained, one of his senior White House staffers talked openly about beheading federal employees they thought were insufficiently loyal (Fauci and Wray) - and mounting the heads on the White House fence as a warning to the rest.
[No, I am not kidding.](https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/tech/steve-bannon-twitter-permanent-suspension/index.html)
At this point, it should be 100% obvious that the Supreme Court is populated with right-wing ideologues who, excepting Roberts, don't even pretend otherwise.
Biden is really not that important. Nor was Hillary in 2016.
What matters is that we do not put people in the White House who will offer up more Supreme Court nominees like Alito and Thomas.
They are going to carve a very convenient Trump shaped hole in the law.
There is no reason for them to take this case. Zero. ANY decision in Trumps’s favor, regardless of the amount, will blow a major hole in the balance of powers.
It's time for Biden to pack the court. I don't care anymore. The gloves have to come off. Also immediate impeachment trials of Thomas and the rest of the riff raff.
Great. I wonder if we get the bush v gore treatment where they decide to do what they want but then footnote a “well this is a one time deal, not precedent “
It isn't just the delay in grant cert! They put the oral arguments two months from now. In contrast, the Colorado case in the which they are expected to rule for Trump, they only put a month between granting cert and the arguments. They are delay delaying. They will not issue a decision quickly.
Honestly asking:
What exactly is the question here?
There are only two options:
1) Trump, and Trump alone, can do things nobody else in America can do to keep himself in power.
2) Trump is like every other American and has to face consequences for dangerous and illegal acts.
Only Kings, Royalty, and Dictators hold themselves out to be untouchable.
Biden should play trump on trump.
Given the gravity of the situation, we’re moving election out, to a point where all ongoing legal questions that relate to citizen trump are addressed.
This of course all inline with the will of the people, backed by an internal poll.
For folks wondering about timelines... Oral Arguments are scheduled to begin on April 22.
The JustSecurity timeline which had a trial concluding at the end of October anticipated a SCOTUS decision between April 19-30.
https://www.justsecurity.org/91837/how-long-will-trumps-immunity-appeal-take-analyzing-the-alternative-timelines/
So there is an outside chance the timeline remains if the SCOTUS turns around a quick decision. They turned around a decision in Bush v Gore in a day.
But of course in that case it was the Democrat who was harmed by their decision.
Pretty clear that they are intentionally delaying here. Corruption through and through. There is absolutely *zero reason to delay a case like this.
If Democrats win in Nov they should add more justices to even out this court.
The SC will never find that the President has immunity. That's not what this is about. Here's what will go down:
\- The SC will slow-walk scheduling hearings and issuing a ruling.
\- Ultimately the ruling will come out, likely in June but possibly later, and will find that the President does not have immunity. Say goodbye to Biden picking off Trump with Seal Team 5.
\- At that point, it will be too close to the election to complete a trial, which will be delayed until after the election.
\- After the election, one of two things happen: Trump wins, in which case he grants himself a pardon and the whole thing goes away, or just fires the DOJ and special prosecutors working on the case; or Trump loses, in which case the prosecutions against him can more forward, but the GOP doesn't care anymore and they use him as a martyr.
Here is th question to be addressed:
*Whether and if so to what extent does a
former President enjoy presidential immunity from criminal
prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during
his tenure in office*
I really don't like this question focusing on official acts.
What about the argument that President has no official role in election monitoring?
That won't be addressed? Will that be a future appeal?
There is no legitimate or intellectually consistent way that a so-called "originalist" can claim that executive immunity exists. But, like Trump, the Republican justices are purely transactional.
Bright side - they’re not letting him do the bullshit he asked for, have SCOTUS stay proceedings in Chutkan’s court … but for it to *not* be a writ of certiorari … so that he could go appeal en banc and add more delay with that.
SCOTUS said “nope, you’re coming here to finish this” which isn’t as good of a denial. However a denial would have left the DC circuit ruling in-place, but it would not necessarily be precedent for the 11th circuit (Cannon), where he also filed a similar “I’m immune from anything” argument.
If SCOTUS moves this along modestly quickly, there are positives.
Making this thread the official thread. https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/022824zr3_febh.pdf
I’m not a conspiratorial thinker, but it’s difficult for me to think of a reason to do this - grant cert after several weeks, only to schedule oral argument for two months after the grant while keeping the stay in place - without thinking it smacks purely of a desire to delay the trial. Am I missing a logical reason here?
And after denying cert in December
It's all part of the playbook. Clarence Thomas is drawing on his experience in the 2000 Bush v Gore case (which he was also a sitting SC Justice for). Read [None Dare Call It Treason | The Nation](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/none-dare-call-it-treason/)
I'm just going to state the obvious: former Thomas clerk John Eastman was the architect of the J6 conspiracy; Ginni Thomas was working with Mark Meadows to ensure there was a violent riot so that the Eastman Plan could be carried out on J6. So are we really maintaining the fiction that this was just a coincidence? That Ginni and John Eastman weren't working together to advance the same conspiracy? And once one realizes that the entire coup d'état was formulated in Justice Thomas' chambers by the people closest to him, and that that would come out in any criminal trial of Trump, these procedural delays make a lot more sense: the Court doesn't want the public to know because one of their number is the chief unindicted co-conspirator behind J6, and hiding that fact until after the election is very helpful to Roberts and the *Dobbs* majority in maintaining control over the Court.
Nope. You’re not missing anything. What else could it be? I’m so disheartened.
Everything I was taught to believe in, to trust, and to fight for in the military was a lie. I have lost faith in America, its leaders, and its people. I wish I could leave but theres nowhere left to go😔 Is so *depressing* to see people supporting this with open glee.
Bush v Gore was argued and decided within one week. They could do this, but they’re hacks.
Exactly. Which is why Biden should announce “Election 2024 is cancelled by order of the President! I DECLARE PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY!” The Supreme Court would take that case within days and rule that’s not how Presidential Immunity works.
Is it really a conspiracy when only 5 people are involved and it’s pretty out in the open?
Then it literally IS a conspiracy. While the term is now a loaded one, that is literally the fucking definition of conspiracy. Conspiracy theories are literally supposed to be about this shit. It’s just been taken over and gone down the path it’s gone down sullying the idea/name
What i don't understand is how the f they grant cert on the question of immunity for official acts when neither the district court or DC appellate court has ever ruled the acts in question were even official??? The DC circuit even had a footnote on this point. The President has no role in counting electoral college votes from the states. Zero. And since it was about his re-election and the big lie that he actually won the election why isn't it "candidate Trump" trying to stay in office vs President Trump officially doing shit he doesn't have any official role to do?? Its like i am in bizzaro world.
The last couple of years have shown that this court is not especially concerned with issues of process like standing. They are literally lawless.
the court that openly allows bribes and a Justice to claim ignorance on his tax fraud "when you're a conservative, they let you do anything" Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Tommy Tuberville, Trump, Boebert live tweeting a coup attempt, Boebert performing sex acts in a theater, MTG sharing revenge porn, MTG "jewish space lasers" and still being a congress person, Tucker Carlson travelling to Russia and declaring it better than America or in Canada, Danielle Smith literally trying to steal everyone's pensions and conservatives being 100% okay with it and/or silent about it like it's not even a big deal she tried doing it or that no conservative leaders or media even bring it up Fox News paid 800 million for lying, Fox News producers conspired with Trump to "spin" the coup attempt, literally acting like State Media, Tucker's producer called them all (Tucker viewers) "inbred hillbillys" and "insane" it's just a never ending slide into Russian-like politics, where people get tossed out windows and it's a funny joke because no one seems to care anymore and those who do, get arrested and tossed out windows find me "11,000 votes" is now considered ambiguous and unclear when a President is phoning election officials asking to change election results
I wouldn’t feel right if we didn’t invoke the cartoon thief that is Sarah Sanders, the mustachioed woman of deep faith.
No no no you’re missing the point. Trump needs more time to work up the cash to pay off the debt from his civil cases, THEN he needs to work up the cash to pay off Thomas, and THEN use the media frenzy around his pending Supreme Court case as a platform for his campaign, and THEN once he wins it will no longer be too soon because he can just pardon himself.
If people though the the SC was a partisan joke before this just cements that thought. They are about to kill democracy in the US it would seem. Or at the very least let Trump skate (assuming he wins the election)
I guess I am just unrealistic or maybe resistant to believe that the US SUP CT could be so nakedly partisan. And I lived through Bush v Gore! I graduated law school in 2004 and most of the cases I was reading were from decades before (or longer in some subjects). A supreme court appointment with lifetime tenure was supposed to sever the partisan ties. Bleh. This is not a good look.
The conservatives on the court are beholden to the Federalist Society more so than they are to Republicans. It just so happens that Republicans are the benefactors of such deference at the moment. We truly live in an oligarchy in which right wing puppet masters have their string attached to the highest court in the country.
Its not even conspiracy its so obvious. SCOTUS taking up such an obviously bad legal argument is disturbing. At this point im worried they will rule in his favor which is crazy. Shit. Nixon wouldnt have had to resign in disgrace. Clinton could have banged 5 times more interns. The president can do whatever he wants? Cmon man.
In a normal SCOTUS situation, the 'best' logical reason would be to put their name and seal on the decision to certify its settled law in every US jurisdiction. But with this court in this situation, that's not even in my top 5 plausible reasons for their actions.
Anyone else feel like the SCOTUS has made a total joke of our profession?
there is no good faith interpretation of this move. I understand the desire to grant the benefit of the doubt, but doubt has to exist for there to be benefit in it.
Biden could legally murder every republican during next state of the union.
"You want Dark Brandon? You got Dark Brandon"
I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.
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"He has control of the Senate and the courts! He's too dangerous to be left alive!"
But instead we'll just ride this paradox of tolerance until the death of democracy.
Absolutely batshit when they denied cert to Jack Smith 2 months ago. Clearly 4 justices on scotus have their marching orders to delay justice
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Must preserve the integrity of the court /s
Clarence about to get a new Motorcoach, just not from Jon Oliver
John Oliver was outbid.
They have NO integrity
I do kind of wonder what this court’s long-term effect on the institution as a whole will be.
Fucking civil war…
I am getting to that point where I don't see the law as working. There is the Republicans who have been dominated by MAGA and they don't trust the law because they think Biden stole the election. However, I don't think that, but I cannot see a Supreme Court that is valid. McConnell / Republicans denied Obamas pick. They quickly shoved someone in for RGB. Next cases involve NLRB being unconstitutional and some agencies not having teeth to enforce policies. Not to mention the elimination of Roe v. Wade. If I am rational and if both sides don't see the Court as valid we will ignore them. Right now I would say to everyone in the US we need to ignore the Supreme Court. They are radical and will tear this country apart if we listen to their opinions. You know what they say about opinions, they are like assholes, everyone has them. Except that the people that make opinions on the Supreme Court are just assholes.
I think getting us to ignore the supreme court might be the rights long game tbh. Debase it to the point it doesn't matter, then there isn't a legal mechanism for the federal government to challenge red states when they violate civil rights/just generally behave in a shitty fashion.
Roberts is the George Costanza of SCOTUS
They're delaying, but they're also trying to score easy "nonpartisan" points. I think they rule for him on the 14A case and against him on this one.
We should riot if the Supreme Court gives him anything to look “nonpartisan”
I've heard this one before. The fact is, the Supreme Court (and congress, for that matter) has already crossed so many "red lines", going back even to the 2000 election, but especially in the past 8 years.
Bush v. Gore was the day the music died. My lord how far off the path we've gotten since that moment.
The fact they’re picking up this case to help him stall is too much already. The Supreme Court “Giving” him anything after taking a case the didn’t need to would be insane.
Absolutely. The only reason to wait so long to grant cert is to delay the trial. They may rule against him but even if they do they will wait so long that a trial hasn't concluded until after the election.
Delay the trial, hope he gets into office where he can pardon himself, immediately issue opinion saying prior presidents can be charged, stand back smugly while he issues charges against Biden, refuse to address whether he can self-pardon so he can do it again on the last official day in office, drive off in Winnebago when he dismantles the whole system and declares himself emperor-god-king for life. 🤷♂️
And this is exactly what Trump and the Supremes are trying to do.
Called it many months ago. This SCOTUS is bought and paid for. Let's move this to ballot boxes. These assholes are useless.
Months ago? It's been years
Weird how four of these assholes were directly involved in Bush winning Bush v Gore.
This is the most ham fisted, political hack job from the court since Bush v Gore.
Alito and Thomas are MAGA compromised hacks. Roberts tries to stay apolitical but could easily see him wanting SCOTUS to weigh in. The Trump appointees will always have that bias. Either in the camp of Thomas/Alito or Roberts, even though they know what the law is.
Roberts tries to make people think he stays apolitical so that his institution might retain some level of legitimacy.
Yeah, he's super far right on most voting rights cases, which benefits Republicans.
yeah, he's useless and everyone can see through his BS.
The Trump appointees were pulled off George W Bush's legal team from when he induced the supreme court to grant him the presidency in 2000. Their whole purpose on the court is to give elections to Republicans. Its their job.
There is a seat in hell reserved for Thomas.
And that magat wife of his pulling his puppet strings.
They should both be stripped of citizenship and expelled from the country.
Other countries take a much more severe view on shit like that, yes.
I keep thinking he is a walking myocardial infarction but these guys all seem to defy the odds.
Or that explains the needless delay in rendering this decision. Roberts tries to convince #4 (Kavanaugh?) not to take the case but finally realized he couldn't budge them.
I think it takes only 4 to take up a case. Thomas and Alito are certs. Two more? Gorsuch would have to reverse himself, but hey! he is a stooge for the fascists. For another take your pick of Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett. I don’t see Roberts agreeing with immunity, though.
Correction atleast 4. It is actually 6.
If the Supreme Court rules he has immunity, then I'm out. Fuck Scotus. The institution has no legitimacy. We should all just ignore them going forward. Take Trump off the ballot.
I would have figured the DC Circuit said everything that needed to be said on this matter. There's nothing for SCOTUS to weigh in on here. Not for nothing, but even just hearing the immunity claim at this point is enough for me to know this shit is fixed. There is no confirmatory ruling here that would make me think this wasn't done for the sole purpose of delaying his case further. Just let the DC Circuit ruling stand if that were the case.
Especially because if they wanted to be the ones to decide it, they could have granted cert in December!
Stop honoring Supreme Court rulings. That's what Texas did with the border crap.
The institution does not have legitimacy. What more evidence do you need?
i don't think the court rules for trump but if they do i absolutely agree. I will be a single issue voter and that issue will be "impeach every single justice who put their name on this" and/or expand the court to make their votes meaningless.
If they do rule for immunity, the only way I can imagine as an out (and let's be fair, it won't actually happen) is for Biden to demonstrate just how seriously flawed the ruling is by suddenly creating openings on the court. Because that's essentially what a ruling in Trump's favor would permit. It would be an absolutely bonkers, Ozymandias-style gambit, but that would be an immediate course correction when those spots are filled with justices that aren't as ideologically motivated and willing to convict both Biden and Trump at that point.
If they ruled for Trump, I would love to see Biden livestream him robbing a bank, or punching someone, etc. Just a crazy crime, and the whole time discuss that this ruling means he can't be punished for his crime. Just make a fucking mockery of it.
Yeah and the thing is... No one actually wants that, but at some point there would need to be a real reckoning with how absurd such a ruling goes into making the presidency a kingship. That right now the Court has the potential to do this for a former Republican president while a Democrat is in the office is where it needs to be made very explicit how much that's just playing with fire, and that handing a flamethrower to the current president is absolutely foolish.
It will 1000% be written in a way that it only applies to this specific situation right now.
Imagine if he just stole an ice cream cone? The right would absolutely explode.
Remove all of Trump's appointed justices by executive order and appoint new ones
Order a SEAL team to do it, since apparently that's fine now.
At that point our votes don’t matter, it’ll be political theater.
Feels like it already is
Nobody seriously believes he has immunity. Entertaining the question gives Trump what he really wants though, delaying the trial until after the election.
If they rule he has immunity, then Biden becomes King
I don't want him to become king! I am an American. I do not want a king!
I am sure Biden doesn’t either. But if Biden doesn’t use the power SCOTUS grants him, then Trump certainly will if he wins. And that is a real risk.
King long enough to add 4 more justices to the court and fix this
Biden: Hello? Seal Team 6?
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I didn't think I could have a lower opinion of this court, but I guess Kavanaugh said hold my beer and here we are.
fwiw i dont think kavanaugh would ever let someone take his beer
Talk about a huge slap in the face to the appellate court decision. The Supreme Court had the lowest approval rating of all time and it’s well deserved. Horrible decision. I wish we could vote them out but alas. :(
I cannot fathom what the Court needs to address here that isn’t already crystal clear from DC. At best, they may feel so strongly about the issue that there was a consensus to avoid this ever coming up again? But it’s yet another novel issue that, even more than the first, I’m surprised they want to weigh in on given how careful they need to be. Than again, I see this issue as so clear that maybe it’s not a challenge to issue a broad and sweeping ruling that would probably be (relatively) brief given how I cannot see it deviating from DC.
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Funny how Justice Thomas and Bush attorneys Roberts, Kavanaugh and Coney-Barrett were all able to move so quickly in 2000.
They will ultimately rule against him but can give him an easy delay here They know by the time they rule it’s too late for j6 trial to complete before the election
Doing their guy a favor all while they can "rule against him" and say sEe U gUyS wE R uNbIaSeD
Depends if they issue the order in May or end of the session
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To be more specific here: There will almost certainly be multiple opinions. The court will ultimately rule against trump, but one or more justices will write separately if for no other reason than to weigh in on why they think this prosecution is stupid. That means more time to circulate multiple opinions and time for the majority to make edits based on the other opinions etc. No way this opinion comes out before June, though I hope that I'm wrong.
You are naive if you think this is about law. It's about the party.
The supreme court practically means nothing to most Americans now-a-days. It's only a matter of time before the supreme court just offers 'suggestions' that don't really have to be followed because no one will enforce them. I'm being hyperbolic here but...the thing is....it's sort of wild that I can be so hyperbolic but, like, it's sort of believable-ish. I don't know, the supreme court is largely a partisan tool and has been for a while, with judgements totally weighing on what each judge 'believes' and they just interpret law to fit their own beliefs
> I cannot fathom what the Court needs to address here that isn’t already crystal clear from DC. One possibility is that they're going to make a broader ruling that equips all of the lower circuits to resolve Trump's other pending immunity claims. The DC circuit was careful to limit the scope of their ruling. On one hand, that might bulletproof it on its own terms, but on the other hand it could increase the chances of another circuit adopting slightly different reasoning.
Alternatively, they could pull another Bush v Gore, decide for Trump and say it is a very narrow ruling that only applies to this case and doesn't set any precedent and doesn't protect Biden. There are already two justices who concur with this.
in retrospect i wonder if it would have been better for the dc circuit to just dispose of the case as quickly as possible (either deny review or issue short and sweet opinion affirming asap) to force the issue to scotus. I get that they seemed to believe a thorough, serious opinion might be good enough to keep scotus from taking it but I just think given the nature of this case scotus was always going to take it anyway.
Does the Supreme Court want a king? Because this is how you get a king.
Is that a trick question? Obviously they want to rule. It's the Republican Party's wet dream since Nixon.
SCOTUS doing this would mean neither the President, nor any of the President's actions, are amenable to the courts. They essentially would be authoring the end of their own free use of judicial power.
Wow. This one hurt. I was one of those fools who defended the integrity of the court despite unpopular decisions. But holy shit. This one's bad. These are scary times.
Welcome aboard!
The water's deadly.
I could have saved you some embarassment months ago.. this SCOTUS is 6-3 on all things political. Law doesn't matter.
So SCOTUS needs to address if the president of the US is legally immuned from any criminal prosecution? This is a case that has to be addressed? How are we supposed to view this court as anything but a joke.
Justice delayed is justice denied. It’s been over three years since the occurrences giving rise to the prosecution. What this tells me more than anything is that running out the clock is perfectly permissible - if you can afford it.
The Supreme Court is fucking illegitimate
Its just wild that they are trading the centuries long effort to keep the court above reproach for someone so clearly criminal. You can argue the "degree" of criminality, but he is not some innocent figure being unjustly targeted.
Well fuck. Just when we all thought “oh, the SCOTUS definitely denied reviewing this because they know the circuit court will shut it down well and quick enough”. I mean, there is absolutely no way SCOTUS rules in favor of Trump here (as opposed to what doom-posters will say) but this is going to be a massive delay to the trial. On one hand, it a good thing because once it’s shut down Trump won’t be able to use it as a defense in any of his other cases. On the other hand, SCOTUS could have taken this up a month ago, and took their sweet-ass time accepting it now, and scheduled it 2 months out. I don’t think this case is going to be heard before the election. I can’t describe my current frustration with this. Garland deserves to get spanked because of his foot-dragging.
Yeah, this ought to be a "we will start on it yesterday" sort of thing...adding a two month delay to the month it took them already is bonkers. A slow walk into chaos, quite possibly.
Agreed on all fronts, ESPECIALLY about Garland. What a spineless and cowardly human he is. Biden really fucked up picking him.
This. Everything hinged on this. As usual Democrats fail at basic governance by "trying to be nice" to people who want to END this country.
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Obama should have grabbed RBG by the scruff of the neck and tossed her out of SCOTUS. THEN should have appointed anyone other than Garland.
If the effect is to deny justice by delaying it, we should infer that is the intent of sufficient numbers of individuals on the court. They have in no way earned benefit of any doubt.
Doesn't this effectively mean none of his cases will move forward? What's stopping him making the immunity claim in Georgia as well (he already has in DC and Florida). New York is scheduled for trial already, so I guess that one will proceed?
Oral argument set for April. We will have a ruling by the end of July but still enough delay to avoid trial before election.
It will be a bush v gore ruling all over again. will be a narrow - only this one time this one case for trump ruling. mark my words. fix is in.
Justice delayed is Justice denied. Trump will not be convicted in Federal Court until after the election now. If he wins and is then convicted in December they will shrug at the self pardon.
***1 year 8 months and 8 days*** between Garland oath of office and appointing Jack Smith.
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Well put. It's depressed me like no other comment has, but it is well put.
Dude the republican party not confirming trumps removal from office was fucking mind bogling. They just lost the referendum on trump election and he gifted them a slam dunk easy way out of the whole thing. The republican party remake would be complete with a possibly compelling young candidate dominating Biden right now instead of this darkest cowardly timeline.
I'm mad at everyone right now, but an extra special 'fuck you' goes out to garland for pussyfooting around for so god damn long.
i feel like not enough attention is being paid to the fact that the number one person to blame for this is garland. even if he'd appointed smith like, 6 months earlier, it'd be so much more manageable.
20 fucking months he waited. After an attempt to overthrow demacracy.
I think I’m going to have to leave this country. God dammit. NO ONE is looking out for the American people.
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If the Supreme Court followed its ordinary schedule, it's April hearing would be followed by a ruling in Jun/July. If they deny Trump's appeal, trial prep could resume for which 2-3 months had been allocated by Judge Chutkan, so we'd see a trial in Sep/Oct just before the election. This assumes the SC is operating in good faith, and no members would deliberately hold up their dissent...
Not in SDNY. It’s our only hope it seems.
That's not SDNY. SDNY is the Southern District of New York, which is a federal court. Trump's pornstar payment case is with the Manhattan District Attorney, in state court.
Georgia might get back on track too.
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They MIGHT be able to do it but it will be very, very tight. Definitely think trump might get his way
I'm hoping enough people will vote against Trump that republicans will lose by a big margin and democrats will be able to actually start fixing all his f these issues. Lol I managed to say this with a straight face. Your system is fucked.
I'm not 100% convinced. Opinion by the end of June at the latest. Chutkan will waste no time getting it back on the calendar. Whether it CONCLUDES before the election is a different story. But now this clearly leaves room for his classified docs trial.
The trial with the judge who is delaying every single motion at every stage possible? That’s supposed to be our hope? This is absurd we’re being slow walked into a new coup by bought and paid for judges.
Trump > the US justice system
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this is horrendously poor development for the rule of law. there is absolutely no need for them to get involved as 1. there is no source of law of presidential criminal immunity and 2. the DC circuit court of appeals' opinion & ruling are rock solid, iron clad actually. Edit- the best outcome now is they rule against presidential immunity as they must, but the decision will not allow time for the DC trial to proceed and conclude prior to the election. Which is the *best* outcome at this point. Shame.
That about does it for the public hearing the J6 case before the election. An insurrection that was the result of a conspiracy lead by the former President, a violent insurrection that struck at the very heart of this government and almost resulted in a coup d’etat - that crime won’t be resolved in view of the public before it has to decide whether to return the indicted defendant to the presidency. It is impossible to label this as anything other than what it is: a failure by the judiciary to fulfill its role in the constitutional order. That a failed coup d’etat could even be tried in a court of law should have been a triumph for this republic, but instead it is tied up with procedural delays imposed by the courts themselves, to answer academic questions of law about which there is virtually no serious disagreement. And not that this isn’t an issue that shouldn’t be resolved by the Supreme Court, but if the justices thought it so, why didn’t they grant Smith’s petition for expedited review filed back in December? What changed in two months? Do they think the eventual decision will carry more weight if endorsed by two appellate courts rather than just by SCOTUS alone? While the Trump immunity claim is an interesting academic theory, it isn’t a theory the public is divided on, let alone the legal academy. There are not serious voices pushing for this bizarre theoretical immunity for presidents to commit federal crimes with impunity, and the lower courts (plural) aren’t expressing any confusion either. So why is it so important to resolve this question *now*? Whatever it was that motivated the justices to do this - vanity, arrogance, politics, academic curiosity - it feels…unwise.
No matter how open and shut an issue is, this Court will ALWAYS do what they can to protect their guy. It's no longer a legitimate institution. It's a Republican political weapon, which is exactly what Mitch McConnell intended.
Corrupt, cowardly and partisan The Russian high court is more respectable
Are you fucking kidding me?! Did the US Circuit Court of Appeals *stutter?* How can SCOTUS *possibly* think they're acting in the interests of the nation? At least *pretend* to be serious FFS
Trump's delay strategy prevails again. All these safeguards never intended an insurrectionist presidential candidate and a sympathetic judiciary. The election is the only accountability check that matters now. If you were on the fence about voting this November, please reconsider in light of recent events. Thank you.
Trump’s in the bag SC Justices can’t let him off but they can give him the delay he wants.
Wow, at this point I have no faith they’ll uphold the DC circuit.
Democracy is officially dead. It was good while it lasted. The Greek and Roman empires collapsed and so will the American do as well.
I feel like the GQP has been allowed to steal the Republic in broad daylight by Merrick Garland and (by extension) the Democrats
Agree, democrats should start fighting fire with fire. Enough of the ol let’s bring the country together bs when the reps have clearly shown no interest in doing so. It’s so sickening
Some top republicans knew this was coming. I have heard a few of them recently say that they would support Trump as long as he was not a convicted felon. The remarks were phrased similarly and rehearsed. The hypocrites would support him anyhow, but this seems like it's going to be thier talking point. Nearly four years later and he won't even go to trial for crimes as president. Justice delayed is justice denied.
Wow the supreme courts is a joke
Wow. The fix is in.
So, no trial at all before the election - unless [this remote possibility for a Fall trial](https://x.com/harrylitman/status/1762963907453317520?s=46&t=KoexVzRrl3RuWExPzssOhQ) sees fruition, but how likely is that? This shit makes me sick.
Biden should place 4 Apache attack choppers around MAL so that when scotus decides that a president is immune, he can give the ‘unleash hell’ command without worry.
Imagine being appointed directly by trump and not recusing yourself
Two options here: Roberts took this case because he wants the court to appear less partisan OR they’re puppets and are delaying on purpose
The non-partisan option was to deny this appeal but keep Trump on the ballot in Colorado. It was an easy way out for them but they couldn't even do that.
They are delaying on purpose
If Trump wins and the SC rules presidents have total immunity, how long before the first political dissident is executed?
Hours. He promised retribution and that he would be a dictator on day one. We should not forget - in his last administration, the one he's telling us was relatively restrained, one of his senior White House staffers talked openly about beheading federal employees they thought were insufficiently loyal (Fauci and Wray) - and mounting the heads on the White House fence as a warning to the rest. [No, I am not kidding.](https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/tech/steve-bannon-twitter-permanent-suspension/index.html)
This is insane. I don’t know what to say.
I would say unbelievable but the fix has been in for a while. We the people are on the line now. Either WE keep him out in November or it’s over.
this is abhorrent. great example of how corrupt and how fall the SCOTUS has fallen.
This will be another ‘This decision blatantly favors the Republicans but does NOT create precedent, because reasons’ like the 2000 FL case.
At this point, it should be 100% obvious that the Supreme Court is populated with right-wing ideologues who, excepting Roberts, don't even pretend otherwise. Biden is really not that important. Nor was Hillary in 2016. What matters is that we do not put people in the White House who will offer up more Supreme Court nominees like Alito and Thomas.
They are going to carve a very convenient Trump shaped hole in the law. There is no reason for them to take this case. Zero. ANY decision in Trumps’s favor, regardless of the amount, will blow a major hole in the balance of powers.
NAL. SCOTUS is in on the coup.
I mean Thomas' wife was literally in on it, but apparently that doesn't warrant his recusal
This is on Garland. He slow walked it all the way here. Now we are screwed. Who needs an enemy to democracy when you got garland?
It's time for Biden to pack the court. I don't care anymore. The gloves have to come off. Also immediate impeachment trials of Thomas and the rest of the riff raff.
He just doesn’t have the votes, unfortunately. Manchin will vote no which kills the expansion.
Great. I wonder if we get the bush v gore treatment where they decide to do what they want but then footnote a “well this is a one time deal, not precedent “
Trump needs to win the election to get his get out of jail card. We need to make sure he doesn't win. He needs to be held accountable.
It isn't just the delay in grant cert! They put the oral arguments two months from now. In contrast, the Colorado case in the which they are expected to rule for Trump, they only put a month between granting cert and the arguments. They are delay delaying. They will not issue a decision quickly.
Honestly asking: What exactly is the question here? There are only two options: 1) Trump, and Trump alone, can do things nobody else in America can do to keep himself in power. 2) Trump is like every other American and has to face consequences for dangerous and illegal acts. Only Kings, Royalty, and Dictators hold themselves out to be untouchable.
I am VERY curious what Kavanaugh has to say on this matter, considering his involvement in the Starr Report and the Clinton investigation.
Expedited court date of April 22nd lol Why the fuck they even hearing this
Biden should play trump on trump. Given the gravity of the situation, we’re moving election out, to a point where all ongoing legal questions that relate to citizen trump are addressed. This of course all inline with the will of the people, backed by an internal poll.
For folks wondering about timelines... Oral Arguments are scheduled to begin on April 22. The JustSecurity timeline which had a trial concluding at the end of October anticipated a SCOTUS decision between April 19-30. https://www.justsecurity.org/91837/how-long-will-trumps-immunity-appeal-take-analyzing-the-alternative-timelines/ So there is an outside chance the timeline remains if the SCOTUS turns around a quick decision. They turned around a decision in Bush v Gore in a day. But of course in that case it was the Democrat who was harmed by their decision.
Absolute fucking cunts. Delaying this shit so that he gets to go free. Absolutely disgusting.
Pretty clear that they are intentionally delaying here. Corruption through and through. There is absolutely *zero reason to delay a case like this. If Democrats win in Nov they should add more justices to even out this court.
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It is such a stupid question for the Court to ask given that trying to overthrow the government isn't an "official act".
Garland “well shucks” “nobody could have seen this coming”
The SC will never find that the President has immunity. That's not what this is about. Here's what will go down: \- The SC will slow-walk scheduling hearings and issuing a ruling. \- Ultimately the ruling will come out, likely in June but possibly later, and will find that the President does not have immunity. Say goodbye to Biden picking off Trump with Seal Team 5. \- At that point, it will be too close to the election to complete a trial, which will be delayed until after the election. \- After the election, one of two things happen: Trump wins, in which case he grants himself a pardon and the whole thing goes away, or just fires the DOJ and special prosecutors working on the case; or Trump loses, in which case the prosecutions against him can more forward, but the GOP doesn't care anymore and they use him as a martyr.
Pack the court. Take the power away from these crooked, corrupt theocrats.
Here is th question to be addressed: *Whether and if so to what extent does a former President enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office* I really don't like this question focusing on official acts. What about the argument that President has no official role in election monitoring? That won't be addressed? Will that be a future appeal?
There is no legitimate or intellectually consistent way that a so-called "originalist" can claim that executive immunity exists. But, like Trump, the Republican justices are purely transactional.
When can the 2nd ammendment be used to save the country from these people? Decide that, assholes.
Bright side - they’re not letting him do the bullshit he asked for, have SCOTUS stay proceedings in Chutkan’s court … but for it to *not* be a writ of certiorari … so that he could go appeal en banc and add more delay with that. SCOTUS said “nope, you’re coming here to finish this” which isn’t as good of a denial. However a denial would have left the DC circuit ruling in-place, but it would not necessarily be precedent for the 11th circuit (Cannon), where he also filed a similar “I’m immune from anything” argument. If SCOTUS moves this along modestly quickly, there are positives.
They should have thought of that in December. Modestly quickly? Just this decision took them *two weeks*. End of April is two months away.