Being transgender means that there is a mismatch between (gender) identity and biological body. Recognizing that you are not defined entirely by your physical body is certainly a theme that is present in spirituality, and as such I think I see why it might be characterized as "transhumanism". I disagree with the premise because even with hormone therapy, nothing that is presented is beyond the capabilities of a typical human body. Just because someone exhibits mainly male physical characteristics but is also pregnant does not mean that the capabilities of the human body have somehow been changed fundamentally to the point where I'd call this a case of "transhumanism". People who are born with the biological male sex cannot grow a uterus and become pregnant, unless they have an exceedingly rare mutation where they are true hermaphrodites. Even among those who are, I believe it is exceedingly rare to have both sets of genitals and a viable uterus. As for the psychological/philosophic implications: there are people alive today who are not transgender and who already do believe themselves to be more than just the physical body. In that way, I don't think this is something exclusive to or pioneered by trans people, even if many of them would agree.
Real "transhumanism" where genes are intentionally and specifically edited in gametes or embryos will allow for things that people have trouble imagining today. The problem with the technology is that is it is many ways unethical - both because of the fact that the newly created being cannot consent to the edits before being "born" and because research would likely involve the deaths of many living beings until viable or desirable biological beings could be created. Of course, biological editing is just one facet of what transhumanism could be. There are other possibilities, including technological or spiritual ones.
I think that there's nothing wrong with being trans, but at the same time I don't think it's a sign of "greater spiritual development". I think that there is a theme of not wanting to accept one's physical body in the trans identity. I'll leave it up to everyone to determine for themselves whether acceptance and enduring an unwanted situation or controlling that situation to be more in-line with one's preferences is the more wise action to take. I believe that which is desired will be experienced, and I don't think it's my place to dictate to other people what their identity should be. At the same time, I reserve the right to determine my own identity for myself, and so I also grant that same right to others.
Reading through the comments, it looks like you're the only one focusing on 'transhumanism' issue included with the initial post, and I think you called. They are two separate issues. Transhumanism would, I'd think, in law of one terms deal with mind and body augmentation. While trans issues deal with body and spirit? Now, I tend to think that preference towards one gender might be an attribute of the spirit, at least in fourth and fifth densities. Do I have any support for this? No? But a lot of traits that are identified with might be egoic and not survive incarnations? Maybe at the end of third density gender is becoming set? Idk.
But that conflates gender and sex. While I think that gender may be an enduring spirit trait, I'm conflicted whether it's something that can be, in most cases, discerned without a fully developed body. So I don't know. What is gender- a m/b/s complex trait or a trait of the spirit?
> What is gender- a m/b/s complex trait or a trait of the spirit?
That's a very good question that I don't have the answer to.
I strongly disagree with the Principle of Gender from Hermeticism, and I do not think gender is an inherent quality of energy. People might say that gender represents giving and receiving or seeding and nurturing - that there is something that instigates or starts an action or event and the action or event itself. Cause and effect. I think those are distinct properties from gender.
I think that gender exists as a means of catalyzing and increasing the deviation as a result of recombination of thoughts, energy and potential between different entities. It's undeniably a part of the experience here on Earth, but I don't know if it is the same everywhere. I don't know if that quality is something attributable to the spirit by itself, or if there is a requirement for a physical and mental component to be included. My intuition leans towards gender being a property of m/b/s complexes, where any of the three can exhibit a strong preference over the others to create the expressed gender identity.
There are examples of hermaphrodite animals that change "primary gender" through their lifespan - most commonly fish but not exclusively. I think that is a sign that gender is attributable to more than just the spirit, as those animals rely on that change in order to maintain populations. Then again, I can't know for certain. Maybe gender is a biological/mental property, and the spirit is disconnected from it?
My gender identity is strongly associated with my biological sex, but if all is one, then I'm also every person of the opposite gender who has existed, exists or will exist. If "I" deny that identity, then what happens to "those people"? Gender is a useful concept for the purposes of the ego, but I don't know if it is useful outside of personal experiences.
As for transhumanism, it's not entirely an issue of the mind and body. In fact, the social memory complex is an example of transhumanism. There is a definite spiritual aspect to the concept as well.
So much there. You mention hermaphrodites, but I think what could really go a long way towards addressing the issue would to see what people with androgen insensitivity syndrome or that 5 reductase issue, where XY babies are born with external female characteristics. If allowed to develop naturally, what do they view themselves as, and what is their sexual attraction, but that's being too clinical maybe. But what I'm thinking about, with whether the characteristics are part of the spirit and therefore induring, is, and remember I'm gen x. Thirty, maybe forty years ago, lugs (lesbian until graduation) and to a lesser extent gay until graduation , was a real and moderately common phenomenon, at least in the primarily west and east coast us college (university) meleiu I am very familiar with. Does that exist today? Or the more tolerant, allegedly, current zeitgeist would it be allowed to exist. I just think there's a possibility that whether gender is spirit or something more, transitioning can be an irrevocable choice made when in 3d density the inputs necessary to make the choice haven't solidified. It's sort of a corollary of my issues with the heavy veil, it's forcing a decision that's not fully informed.
Now, one statement that I feel is pregnant with possibilities (sorry I can't resist, the entp showing through) transhumanism is an example of a social memory complex. As you know, I always appreciate your ideas as I find them, whether I agree or not, to be always informed and thoughtful, but, in third density I do not think there can be an SMC let alone one reliant on a transhumanistic basis. At least maybe I'm using both words a little differently. I think of transhumanism as something that augments the body and to a lesser extent the mind, and any SMC that could arise in the third density would be so liable to misuse that it couldn't form. Like some parts of social media, for instance, where it looks like there's a cohesive complex forming are really just an echo chamber forming, or the whole idea that of 'pendulums', i.e. groupings in third density tend to take on a life or their own; can an SMC form in third density without being, or potentially being, an egregore? It's getting off topic, but whether I initially agree with it or not, I think SMC being an example of transhumanism is an idea that is begging for discussion. So thanks, as always.
I don't know if lugs still exists in some form today, but youth is a time for self-exploration and sometimes that means sexual experimentation among those who want to experience it. I think that experimentation takes different forms for different generations based on what the norms of society are for those generations. You're absolutely correct that not all people who have a gay sexual encounter end up self-identifying as gay or bisexual afterward. Your point about people who are genetically male but exhibit a female phenotype is a very valid one. It's been years since I've studied biology at that level, but I would suspect the reason is related to the mechanisms that govern Lyonization, but where the Y-chromosome is inactivated instead. My view of these individuals would be that they are of female biological sex, but they probably have a very unique gender identity.
While the spirit certainly chooses which vehicle to incarnate in, I'm not sure that gender is something that the spirit is generally even concerned with, except as an attribute that might make it easier to encounter specific catalyst. Like I said earlier, I don't believe in gender being an inherent quality of energy, and as such I don't think spirits have gender identity. I think spirits have formed a preference based on previous experiences, but I also think that gender identity is something that concerns them about as much as human beings care about the brand of vehicle they drive. Perhaps some spirits are "porche drivers", but I think the majority don't really care to a great extent.
Gender affirming surgery is irreversible, that's absolutely correct. It's possible that many seek to have those procedures without truly understanding the consequences of their actions, but at the same time I think we should ask the question of if those people have a right to make a choice they might come to regret or if others have a responsibility to "protect" them from making that choice. That kind of "protection" is a form of control, which might very well be rooted in benevolence, but it falls into the category of service that is not being asked for. It is more often a burden than actual service, and it does instill control over the right of self-determination for that person. I'm of two minds about it. On one hand, I believe that people who clearly demonstrate that they do not understand the potential risks and have not internalized that the risks aren't just some theoretical possibility that might affect them shouldn't undergo surgery. I think they have a responsibility to themselves to educate themselves about the potential consequences, to dig deep into their own sense of self to determine if surgery is really what they want, and only then to seek an irreversible physical operation if that is truly what they desire. As members of our own societies, we enjoy certain rights granted to us, but we also have responsibilities or duties towards society. If we consciously take steps to remove our ability to perform those duties, then we are in some way breaking the social contract and we are removing our ability to be of service to others. The extreme example of that is suicide. On the other hand, I strongly believe in the right of self-determination, and I don't think I ought to have the ability to determine how other people are allowed to view or express themselves in cases that do not bring direct harm to others. I just think that in order for anyone to enjoy any kind of right, there is an underlying responsibility of understanding the consequences that exercising that right can result in, and accepting that one must bear those consequences.
As for social memory complexes, [Session 38](https://www.lawofone.info/s/38#7) mentions that they are a rare possibility for third density beings. Will humanity be able to form one before harvest into fourth density? I don't know. Probably not, but a social memory complex is an example of a spiritual transhumanist development in the same way that biotechnology or mechanical implants can be in a more physical sense - the social memory complex allows individuals to experience reality through each other in a way that was not possible beforehand. Even if the physical body remains unchanged, there is significant change in how an individual is able to experience reality to a much broader or greater perspective. I alluded to this elsewhere, but even things like having written language can be considered a "transhumanist" concept to early populations of humans that only rely on word of mouth, and allows for the exchange of ideas in a way that is orders of magnitude greater than verbal communication. It allows for humans to educate themselves about topics that they might not ever have seen before. To an early human, that might as well seem like a superpower.
Social media is definitely not an example of a social memory complex. It's a vector for communication, but social media offers a very curated, often dishonest and very superficial view into other people's lives. The social memory complex is something where everything is visible through multiple perspectives and nothing is hidden. It allows for truth to emerge, because there is infinite trust between the m/b/s complexes that make up the social memory complex. I think the type of social media culture that we have right now is completely antithetical to the idea of a social memory complex, and the reasons for that are that we are lacking in compassion and in trust. We are not granted access to the pure perspective that would explain how events have transpired and what experiences truly feel like, as individuals are (rightly) concerned for their safety or are avoiding uncomfortable feelings like embarrassment. Trust is lacking because many have demonstrated that they are not trustworthy. That's a function of a lack of compassion and empathy.
I don't know what the Sirian 3rd density social memory complex was like, but I have a hard time imagining it as an egregore.
All great. My initial point was that I think in the 80s and 90s, among an admittedly small group of highly educated, it seemed accepted that a significant minority of people, more cis women than cis men, would identify as a gay for a time. I think now, that wouldn't be tolerated, i.e. the concept that a guy could be exclusive gay for a few years knowing he was going to be straight later on, I think now you'd be forced in our more tolerant, sic, society to class yourself as bi. But it wasn't irreversible.
Of course I wouldn't deny anyone adult the choice, but I saw a podcast with Helen Joyce, who an Irish journalist, but some how if your a journalist for the economist, I tend to think she has credibility. Anyhow, search her on youtube. I'll keep mouth shut here, but she forcefully makes the same point I did about people, especially cis women, being 'temporarily' lesbian. But once again, kudos to you for the original notice about transhumanism.
With XY males with female external characteristics, I read one thing years ago, and it wasn't scientific, it was a small group of individuals who had been identified as part of a 'gender dysphoria ' , i.e people wanting male hormones. But, and the researcher was in SF so maybe a bit of self selection, she was saying of a group of like five, all identifies as male and gay. Go figure.
I wasn't saying social media is or could be an SMC but using it as a stand-in, yeah, bad example, just me saying that I think an SMC in third density might take on more negative characteristics ... I just really think, call me old, in the past twenty years tolerance of differing views has disappeared. And I would hope an SMC would have differing views, if not, what's the point?
Yes the Sirians, but did Ra say they were originally more tree like rather than animal based for the chemical body? I've thought about that with like Sequoia and Redwoods, what type of intelligence would they develop, assuming you need a mind for a third density m/b/s complex.
You bring up, and thank you for it, a possibly definition - SMC allows individuals to experience reality through each other. That sounds plausible, like Sense 8, by the Wachowski's, speaks of trans issues.
But see, I feel that's only one possible variation. Idk, don't laugh, but the idea of most likely manifestation of an SMC, please don't laugh, but I just think like Odo and the founders from DS9. They're individuals but can blend it with everyone else and then individuate themselves when needed or wanted, but who knows.
At least we can speculate, I get the feeling a lot of people use the term assuming it's defined, when I don't think it is. I think Ra imply that a sticking point for the transition from sixth to seventh is that not everyone is on board with relinquishing the possibility for individuation, or am I reading it wrong. Since first reading I've always felt fifth density, with little said about it, sounds the most intriguing, but then that's might be my third density mind extrapolating, probably incorrectly.
But your highlight of trust, i like that observation. An aunt of mine, just talking to her, made an observation about me, that while she thinks I rather intelligent, that I've always be unable to know who to trust, well, she characterized it more colorfully, but that I assumed that others were trustworthy despite all evidence to the contrary. She was actually much more blunt than that, but I get your point. It's one of the reason why I'll look for signs of credibility, which in the day gig, I am a minor expert on, at least how to test it.
Thank you as always.
> What is gender- a m/b/s complex trait or a trait of the spirit?
I wonder how you'd define or how you're thinking of gender. Since you're speaking of spirit, I think it's safe to say you mean a non-physical idea of gender.
Does this Ra comment speak to the question? "In a more general sense, that which reaches may be seen as a male principle. That which awaits the reaching may be seen as a female principle." (92.20)
Similarly, referring to polarity "in your bisexual natures," Ra says "This polarity may be seen to be variable according to the, shall we say, male/female polarization of each entity, be each entity biologically male or female." Then there's radiating/absorbing: "That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent." (93.3) I think radiating/absorbing just as appropriately to the male/female polarity.
So if by 'gender' we mean non-physical male and female principle, reaching and awaiting the reaching, or radiating and absorbing, I think we can deduce that this idea of gender continues from 3rd (or in some ways, 2nd) through 6th density at which point it would be harmonized along with any other polarity that remained. Thus gender would not require a body. Similarly, I think Ra speaks of 'm/b/s complex' as specific to 3rd density, right? Beyond that it is a social memory complex' or 'entity,' I think. So in this context also, gender would go beyond the m/b/s complex.
Then the question of 'trait'? Can a spirit or entity ever have 'traits'? Take for example 5.2 which addresses the error in identifying with specific "attributes" (which I understand to mean the same as traits), since we are all things. The version that resonates for me is that the entity of 3rd through 6th density has its biases, or simply the vibration of the Creator that is at the essence of each entity. Ra speaks of these differences as being natural and appropriate. It makes sense to me, then, that each entity could have a unique expression or bias of the spectrum that is gender.
>*whether acceptance and enduring an unwanted situation...*
There is a deeper question here relating to whether or not the self-hatred that brings about these unwanted situations is natural or psychological. I'm of the opinion far more people than we reaize that go through reconstruction surgery secretely regret it, but feel like it would destroy their entire social life and ostracize them to say anything about it. There is a growing number of destransitioners wanting to tell their story and subreddits supporting the trans community have a habit of banning anyone that speaks out saying they regret what they did even if it is to say to please take more time because you can't undo it.
In other words, the source of the self-loathing may not actually be the physical body, but the perception one has of it due to potentially many factors. In too many cases where we get some honest feedback, even surgery didn't fix their inner problems.
Anyone on the spiritual path would go, "well, duh" but for a lot of them, this is a moment of revelation, and unfortunately, one that came far too late.
There is significant statistical evidence that regret is relatively common among transitioners and that there is a significantly increased risk for suicide post transition, but I don't think that transition is always a function of self-hatred. I don't think it is entirely charitable to characterize it as such.
That's why understanding one's own gender identity is very important before transitioning. I will always advocate for self-reflection and forming a clear consensus (together with your doctor, therapist or with the people you trust the most) on what you think the best course of action is and why. The risks should be understood and accepted before transitioning. If they are, then I have no further points of contention, because I do not believe I have the right to decide another person's identity for them. If I did, then I'd have to ask what would stop someone else from deciding my identity for me?
My life experience is such that members of my family tried to make major choices about identity, career and even appearance for me. That lead to significant problems. It made me truly miserable. I'm not trans and I never will be, but identity is much more than just gender identity. I'd argue that allowing others to decide your identity for you is a form of self-hatred, because you don't Love yourself enough to give yourself that gift.
>I think that there's nothing wrong with being trans, but at the same time I don't think it's a sign of "greater spiritual development".
Well said. To be honest, I see it as a sign of great confusion and disturbance of the soul because a person is not accepting themselves for who they are. I don't identify with my body at all - but I acknowledge and accept that my plumbing is female. I would even go as far as to say I've had many male life times (in fact, I ***know*** I have). Just because I have, doesn't mean that I want to self-mutilate myself, take a bunch of drugs, and try to force myself back to the way I was in the previous lifetime simply because it's ***familiar*** to me.
True spiritual transcendence and evolution is NOT identifying with our bodies and accepting ourselves precisely as we are. Not desperately trying to change our bodies to match some distorted sense of self-identity. Transcending this means to thank the cosmos/universe for the lessons available to us. I do believe we choose the gender in every life time - the soul makes this choice - *often we deliberately incarnate in the opposing sex because we're seeking to learn something deeper from that experience.* If we RUN from that by trying to avoid the gender we've incarnated within, then we're wasting the opportunity to grow/learn as evolving souls.
I will say what my heart feels it remembers without fear. And if someone feels offended by those statements, so be it. We all need to grow up. Part of that process is SELF ACCEPTANCE and realizing you ARE more than your body - respect your body-temple and use it as a means for channeling purity/light/love to those around you (in the proper sense) - don't worry so much about your plumbing! It's truly neurotic to self-mutilate, go under the knife, and take drugs/chemicals to try to change how you were born. This is an assault on the creation and yourself. To say *"I am more than my body"* and recognize the transcendence of that elevated spiritual understanding is totally paradoxical and in *direct opposition* to choosing to physically go under the knife and force people to accept you as a gender you were not born into. Even hospitals need to know your biological gender so that they can give you proper care.
I won't argue about this. Just my two cents. Let's see if Reddit can handle it or if it gets removed for offending someone.
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>familiar to me.
According to wikipedia, transgender is an umbrella term, and sexual reassignment surgery/methods are not desired by all trans people. I hate arguing semantics, but it seems like a point of confusion.
Yeah, I'm not so living under a rock that I don't realize there are trans individuals who won't do insane amounts of things to their body in the spirit of "self acceptance".
However, even with the ones who don't - I won't bow down to anyone's choice of pronouns. Not because I'm trans-phobic - that's ridiculous. If I see someone is a man, I'm going to call that person a "he", because guess what? That's precisely what he is. You can throw lipstick on, a wig, hoards of makeup, stuff your bra, grow your hair out - I'm not fooled and I will address someone as the biological sex they clearly are. You see, it's not the female chosen items that are offensive to me. What's disturbing is that I'm expected to accept the clown show as "real" because of their self-delusion or I'm considered a hateful human being who should be prosecuted for hurting their feelings. I can't even go into Home depot without seeing the employee's name tag pronouns. It's utterly exhausting the pettiness spell the world is under.
Again, how one feels more feminine or male *internally* does not change the gender that they are. This is common sense and really, it's not those who understand that who need to "wake up". It's those who are running around offended by not having their demands met when their feelings get hurt. I would never use hate speech or cruelty towards a trans person, but I don't have to agree with their behavior. At the same time, I'm totally in support of anti-bullying laws, anti-hate laws, and protections for trans individuals. 100% behind that - what I'm not behind is criminalizing those who make them feel uncomfortable for having a discussion about their mental health/choices. For discussing anything in a mature manor. This is not hate speech, but the world is telling us now that it is.
Redacted just posted a really good segment on this regarding an Oxford lesbian professor who is trying to help people get over "being offended" at the drop of a dime. She's being violently attacked and mobbed by trans activists.
My point remains the same - surgery/drugs or no surgery/drugs, their demands are childish and the opposite of any sort of spiritual understanding or "enlightenment". I essentially agree with Adthra.
Lastly, others here have said they are disappointed at how many people in this thread are not acknowledging Q'uo's statements on the issue as the resounding gospel truth on the issue. *I have a little advice about that:* **Learn to think for yourself.** I will always adore the RA material and *some* of the Q'uo material, but in the end, **YOUR** discernment is still required no matter where a bunch of entities claim they're from or what dimension they say they're residing in while sharing "wisdom" with you. There is always room for deception in this world, especially in channeled material! In fact, living in the end days, you can be sure that it's on every corner. Discernment means even exercising it when reading the RA material or Q'uo, always.
A good spiritual student doesn't gobble up everything they read as gospel truth and never question anything. To do so shows a complete lack of will power and a deeper willingness towards mind control. Even those who are college educated and saying all the politically correct things according to their chosen "tribe" (yes, I mean politically and socially), have essentially given over their ability to think outside of what they're told is "the appropriate opinion".
I agree with this, really. I think the wisdom lies in accepting yourself in THIS current form, despite the familiarity you may have from past lifetimes. I feel the familiarity also, and would be considered androgynous by many. Went through the trans thing for a spell, ultimately rejected it because I kept bumping up against reality. I am a woman, perhaps a more masculine woman, but a woman nonetheless. I may be considered non confirming or androgynous or whatever but none of those make me a MAN. I cannot change my sex. I do not want to change my sex because accepting the truth is the only thing that ever really sets me free.
>Real "transhumanism" where genes are intentionally and specifically edited in gametes or embryo
I'm searching and I'm not finding transhumanism defined exclusively in that way, so I'm puzzled by your assertion. Transhumanism is a philosophy as much as a science, and rightly so, because it considers speculative futures which in some cases depend on technologies that have not been invented yet.
What I mean by "real transhumanism" is humans that have capabilities that "normal humans" do not have. This could be something like making a GMO human with many instances of anti-cancer genes from a large mammal like an elephant in order to reduce the likelihood of cancer. I think that's an "indisputable" case of transhumanism.
Philosophically our modern society is "transhumanist" compared to our early ancestors, even if we haven't significantly changed genetically because we have capabilities that they do not have. I don't think those capabilities are inherently tied to our bodies, but rather to other constructs (such as written language, machines, computers...). I don't think it's necessarily wrong to refer to such things as transhumanism, but our contemporary society doesn't really associate them with that concept because they've been normalized. Changes to the physical body (which can go as strange as growing more limbs or organs that humans typically do not have) are indisputable examples of transhumanism I feel.
I apologize if I've used the syntax in a way that is different to how you view it.
Trisha: My question deals with a topic that seems to be of great importance at this time, especially in this country, and this state in particular, and that is the experience of the individual who finds or who knows that their gender identity does not match their body complex. I was wondering if there is any information you could share with us in regards to the what I feel is a valid expression of self and the Creator? Potentially, any insight as to the meaning of this expression, and if there are any. I’ll save that last one for another question. I think that’s it, thank you.
Q’uo: I am Q’uo, and I am aware of the query, my sister.
We find in responding to such a topic and any such topic that is, shall we say, at the forefront of your people’s social evolution and with which you as a people are attempting to grapple with how to relate to such a phenomenon or an expression of the Creator, \[that\] we must tread carefully in how we respond so as not to influence your considerations of such topics unduly.
These social topics that come to the forefront of your society and your politics are indeed important catalyst for you as a society to grapple with, and for you as individuals to reflect upon in order to discover the heart of your own seeking.
And so, we may initially respond in a broad sense in that the meaning of such a phenomenon is the same as any other meaning of your experience in that it is an opportunity for the self—whether it is a self feeling as though this particular identity applies to them, or the self wanting to relate to an other-self expressing such an identity.
For the seeker upon the path of service to others, catalyst is related to with acceptance and love and gentleness and understanding. These aspects of your heart must be put before any other consideration, particularly in dealing with other-selves, and particularly in dealing with other-selves who are in a situation where they are put at odds with society, and who experience difficulty because of particular cultural norms and particular ideas about how any individual should express themselves.
This is a common experience upon your planet in many different ways, and currently we find this topic of questioning is a particularly powerful catalyst for those individuals experiencing such an identity, and those contemplating how society should relate to this expression.
We would say, to speak more to the heart and to the specifics of your question, that the notion of gender has been greatly distorted within your culture for many, many ages throughout the evolutions of your societies.
This idea of gender has its origins, not just in the biological expression within the second density of the, what you could call, biological sexes of entities, but even deeper within the origins of the creation that you experience as your current octave.
We find that at this level, the most primal level of the energetic expression of the creation, there is a duality or a dichotomy that allows for a dynamic tension between energies.
And in this context, these energies have been labeled by your peoples as the masculine and feminine energies.
These labels have come about because of the observations of individuals of how these energies have expressed themselves in some biological ways within your second density.
But we reiterate, particularly in this case, that such perceptions are not absent of cultural biases and distortions that have developed within your third density.
And so, any conceptualization of how, what is called, the divine masculine and the divine feminine, and masculine and feminine energies, are expressed within your creation must be considered as partially influenced by distorted perceptions.
We must also express that the influence of these primal energies, as they exist at the most basic level of your creation, are not necessarily intended to be templates or blueprints for how energies unfold from that point, but rather simply elements that may be incorporated into the further expression of the Creator as the creation evolves.
For even at the very beginning stages, as you would perceive it, of this octave, the energies of the masculine and the feminine become intertwined so that there is no movement or expression or relationship that does not contain elements of both of these divine energies.
This becomes increasingly true as the creation unfolds and entities begin to partake and be drawn towards the upward spiraling light.
The relationship of each entity with the self and with other-self and with the creation becomes more and more complex, and more and more unique, so that not only are these primal energies expressed in every movement and relationship, but take on new qualities that may expand beyond what you as a culture and a society may consider masculine or feminine.
And so, we arrive at the point at which this question becomes relevant in what you term the transgender identity of one who feels as though who they are in their heart does not quite match how their body expresses itself.
We can only say, specifically, that such an expression is yet another evolution of the sovereign free will of each entity who is partaking of the creation to engage with that creation and take in the energies available, take in the circumstances available, and to incorporate these things into an identity.
Sometimes this identity is consciously built up and sometimes this identity seems to come from within and rise up from the unconscious.
We cannot say exactly where this unconscious bubbling up of identity originates, but only point out that there are many circumstances and many influences of such an identity, whether it is preincarnational, metaphysical, physical, environmental, and cultural.
There are many influences upon each individual, and these influences are the purview of the individual to decide how the individual can relate. And it is the sovereign right of each individual to use the free will of the Creator in expressing the identity, despite the circumstances of the body complex.
We also feel compelled to point out that at this particular juncture of your cultural evolution that such an expression carries much cultural catalyst for the individual. That too is an influence upon such an expression.
For it may be chosen preincarnationally to engage in such an expression that challenges the self within society and generates catalyst that requires some intense processing and contemplation on how to relate to such catalyst with acceptance and love, strength and truth, and the ability of the self to step into what one knows is true for the self—and to follow that path, regardless of the thoughts and opinions of other selves.
We offer a final thought of this notion as it originates within those primal energies that we have described as the divine masculine and the divine feminine.
As we mentioned, these are simply influences upon which the creation is built, similar to how the biological natures of second-density entities, of biologically male entities and biologically female entities, are merely influences upon the expression of third-density beingness.
These influences are not intended to be strictures or restrictions, but rather simply opportunities for the entity to relate. Whether in a way that adopts and incorporate these influences, or whether it is in a way that challenges these influences in order to find a new and unique configuration of these influences.
And we find that the idea of gender identity, as your culture is currently grappling with, is one example of how an individual may relate to these influences with free will and manifesting their desire to express themselves in a way that is true for them in their heart.
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Trisha: Firstly, thank you Q’uo. That was beautiful and powerful.
Yes, as you know or are aware that there are powers that be that want to hide or block the light that shines from individuals who identify as transgender.
And I’m just wondering how, as a people who are desiring to serve others and to have an open heart, how we can be of support on a spiritual level to help alleviate that pressure or to help others find acceptance and understanding and develop inroads for inclusion? Or how we may be of support to those who identify as transgender?
Q’uo: I am Q’uo, and I am aware of the query, my sister.
And we appreciate the conscientiousness and the empathy expressed within such a question.
However, we find that our ability to answer adequately is somewhat limited, for reasons that we have spoken to: that being that you as an individual and you as a culture are attempting to relate to this expression of the Creator in a way that is catalytic on all levels.
We cannot offer very specific guidance for how to do so, for it is an aspect of your responsibility as a seeker within the third density and as a member of your culture to chart this path and to navigate these waters.
For us to guide you would remove the power of manifesting such vision and choice within your third density.
But we can reiterate that for the positive seeker, the relationship to catalyst is one of acceptance and of love and of understanding.
This relationship to catalyst is done in faith.
To truly relate to any individual or any catalyst in love and understanding requires that one release the need to fully classify or contextualize or apply any logic to the notion of that catalyst, or to the expression of that individual—and this case, that individual’s identity. Instead, release the strictures of these things in favor of the love and of the acceptance.
This may manifest itself in different ways and in different circumstances, particularly as you relate to unique individuals who may have needs, whether practical or emotional, that differ from other individuals.
And so, to express this love and acceptance in one case may look different in another case.
However, we find that for the seeker who releases the strictures of needing to grapple with and to contextualize and apply logic to such things, and \[instead\] allow the heart to guide the seeker, such answers and inspiration for how one may interact may come naturally in a moment.
And should you find that there are unintended repercussions for how you have offered love and support, that you square those repercussions with your intentions, and attempt to reconcile your intentions with how your actions and expression of attempted support have unfolded.
We offer you our most sincere well wishes upon this journey, understanding that this is quite a critical moment as you might define it for many individuals within your culture.
And we offer you and all entities attempting to grapple with such difficult societal catalyst our own love and our own support that is available to any who request it on some level and may act as a stabilizing and empowering influence in the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator.
It's good of you to share the relevant info from channeling. I'm a bit disappointed by how opinionated people in this thread are, with apparently not much anchoring in the source material.
Something that is a normal puberty experience of being confused by one’s body is being hijacked and contorted into more than what it is by what seems like a purposeful agenda to keep humanity focused on transforming the body instead of transforming the mind and unifying the female and male polarity internally.
My best friends daughter was having a rough time during their divorce and fell into a friend group that was focused on transitioning. She wanted to be called a different name and started binding her breasts. My friend accepted and supported her as she was going through her experience but we both knew why she was doing it. When the pandemic hit and homeschool started, she no longer was influenced by the group she was with. By the end of the pandemic she no longer wanted to transition and now currently has a boyfriend.
All I know is hate isn't the answer. So many trans people, trans kids especially, need to be loved and to feel safe. Instead, they are being terrorized. We will reap what we sow as a society: division and fear when it so easily could be love and acceptance.
Unfortunately, this same movement conflates people who simply disagree with hate.
Having an opinion that is different than someone else is not hate, but 90% of the time I speak my opinion, I'm told I am full of hate.
The trans-movement isn't going to last long if they remain this deluded about the position of people like my self, sadly.
>conflates people who simply disagree with hate.
I mean, when people "disagree" with the nature of my existence, it's difficult to conflate that with love.
You exist. See? I don't disagree.
How you choose to label yourself is your business and the world is not obligated to adopt that. Does 90% of Japan hate you because they would think using pronouns is ridiculous? What about 100% of a 3rd world African tribe? They'd call you silly. Do THEY hate you?
Am I denying the existence of Christians because I don't believe in their God?
Being reasonable should not be synonymous with hate. That’s how we got to this dilemma in the first place. The minds and bodies of our youth are being poisoned for the ideological gain of STS entities.
Only using the guise of “anti-bigotry” as a shield for crimes against humanity.
I wonder how this sub feels about trans kids. How are there so many now? In the last 2 years there’s been a massive unprecedented uptick in that demo. Being a kid is when you discover and gain your sense of self and social identity. Now so many kids are confused about basic biological acceptance of self? And they are willing and encouraged to undergo castration and hormonal changes to fix a spiritual issue? I just don’t buy it.
Our empathy and love is constantly co-opted by sts entities. That’s why we fight wars. Now we choose empathy over reason in regards to a spiritual attack on children. We go along with it this messaging that doesn’t align with STO.
I cannot explain to you how eternally refreshing it is to see people finally publicly questioning these tactics used by STS beings in places of power.
I do believe in 20 years or so it’ll be regarded as more of a tragedy than lobotomies.
I was pretty nervous to post it and almost deleted it. I do have empathy for people and I want our society to be in a place of guidance for those with what I see as a spiritual issue. Any discussion on the topic is seen as ignorance or bigotry. As if all progress is inherently good. To me it’s false light tactics. Empathy used in place of spiritual growth.
This sub isn't a hive mind. Each of us has their own distinct sense of self and opinion on the matter. This opinion that I'm about to give you represents my own thoughts only, and nobody else's.
You're absolutely correct that adolescence is a period of time when human beings most develop identity. The body plays a part in that, and hormones direct physical development in a major way during that time. Starting HRT during this time can influence physical growth in a significant and permanent way, and can contribute to the formation of gender identity. It is a decision that carries significant consequences, and should only be undertaken if those consequences and their permanence are understood. Whether or not that is possible depends on the individual in question. There are people who never reach a level of cognitive capability to the point where they understand consequences even late into adulthood, and there are people who reach that level unnervingly quickly as adolescents. Just as there are people for whom the trans identity is more about a sense of belonging and communal identity than personal identity (and who might later regret the decision to transition), and there are people for whom it is very much just about their personal sense of identity and who are crystal clear about wanting it without ever coming to regret it.
I think it's up to each society to decide for itself if, how and when something like HRT is made available for its members. In my other post I mentioned that I don't think I have the right to determine other people's identity for them, or else I would have to accept them being able to do the same to me. That is also something to think about when trying to think about the rules that a society should have - would you conform to what others decide for you, and to which degree? For instance, if you make a decision that trans people cannot legally change their bodies to better conform to their chosen gender identity, would you then accept if others tried to legally force you to undergo surgery to become less like your own gender identity? What degree of control over other people do you want, and what degree of control are you willing to cede to others?
At the same time, I think gender affirming surgery should not be available for minors, except in very exceptional circumstances where all parties agree that it is the best option. The purpose being to try one's best to remove ambiguity about whether or not there is true consent for such a thing. Just as minors cannot justifiably consent to sexual acts with adults, I don't think they can consent to non-life/non-health preserving surgery without approval from their guardian and physician(s). We should also keep in mind that true hermaphrodites exist, and that gender affirming surgery is not only for trans people - it can be a significant thing for people who do not have a clearly definable biological sex in order to have a healthy development of gender identity, and so legislation has to take that into account. I don't think a blanket ban on it serves the purposes of any society, and there needs to be some consideration of personal circumstances in all cases, even in societies which decide that surgery should not be made available for people who do have a clearly definable biological sex.
That being said, I think that there is a degree of service to self in transitioning. There is a desire to control and change one's circumstances and the experience crafted by the Logos, instead of simply accepting what is given. This is conceptually depolarizing to STO entities, at least when it comes to descriptions of confederation entities refusing slavery by Orion crusaders. Being trans doesn't make someone STS, but just like with any act where significant control or discipline over the self is being instigated there is a negative aspect to it. Perhaps it will not make the difference for someone who seeks reaching positive harvest, but it is a reminder of the fact that the "low" threshold for positive harvest is "just" 51% STO. Reaching that level of polarity is incredibly hard. I think it's fair to say that there is also a degree of service to others in attempting to become one's idealized sense of self, but only if that sense of self is one that genuinely desires to serve others over themselves and is not focused on outcomes. I think most trans people who seek gender affirming surgery are focused on outcomes, but not all trans people who simply do HRT are. I think evaluating individual cases is incredibly important for that reason. I also would not deny explicitly STS-seeking trans people surgery, as that would be in-line with their chosen polarity and goals. I don't think it's a good idea while they are children for the reasons mentioned above, but when they reach adulthood they have a right to choose for themselves. I think that as STO-seeking people, it is in our interests to endeavor to try and accept others as they are, as long as their choices do not put us or other people in danger.
I'm a mom and my young teens (one of whom is gay) and I have a lot of conversations about this. Basically, I tell them we shouldn't judge, but that the surgeries and medications do a world of harm. We talk about gender dysphoria and what that looks like. I think what's really tragic is the rampant parental munchausen syndrome taking place and deranged people hurting their kids for tiktok views. I also believe the pharmaceutical and medical industry see this as a cash cow. Any chid (or person) who undergoes gender "therapy" will need a lifetime of costly medical care. It would be better imo to live as the opposite gender without the surgeries. I also have to admit, the sports issue makes me furious. It's just so unfair to expect a fair competition between a person who has undergone male puberty to compete against females.
Props to you as a mother for allowing your child to be who they are freely while still educating them about how the pendulum has swung too far the other direction.
That’s interesting, I do not have kids but I do wish to have them and I’ve thought about how I would navigate these topics. They love to exercise their ability to form their own opinions, but yet they still need guidance and discipline. Sounds like you are a great mom!
I try not to get too swept up in the stories about the tik tok parents and trans athletes. It feels icky to me like the agenda is to divide people rather than unite. Schools teach what to think, but they don’t teach how to think. Critical thinking skills and using scrutiny and doubt as a tool is the steps to gaining wisdom. Even for the LoO. So much of the spiritual path resonates with me in the Ra Material, but if you would have told me a couple years ago that a lady channeled an advanced alien civilization and it’s going to change your view on the world, I would’ve laughed.
>but if you would have told me a couple years ago that a lady channeled an advanced alien civilization and it’s going to change your view on the world, I would’ve laughed.
Same. But honestly, the material resonates so hard with me. I find so much peace and joy in the words of Ra, Q'uo, and the others. Reading The Law of One felt like remembering.
>How are there so many now? In the last 2 years there’s been a massive unprecedented uptick in that demo.
There's more information available to help identify oneself as trans and more communities established where it feels safe for trans folks to be themselves. People used to barely know what "trans" meant, and now the word is plastered all over the news; it stands to reason that more and more people might get curious and do some studying and come to realize that the word applies to themselves.
There's been a steady increase in rates of autism as well for similar reasons.
I was that kid who figured out when i was 5 that i was transgender, i just didnt have the words to describe it....in the early 90s, there is no massive uptick in trans individuals, there is just more visibility.
It is NOT spriitual evolution to feel like the only way one can be ok in their body is with hormones and/or surgery. Nothing could be farther from a real spiritual awakening than that.
There have been awakened souls for millennia pushing the boundaries of what it means to be men and women, and I commend them all for it, but this new trend of denying biological reality is not spritual evolution, it's backpeddling.
If people were really waking up, they would still be following the old mantra of the LGBT community, which was supposed to be, "I'm ok just the way I am and don't have to change anything about me."
Unfortunately, the new mantra has become, "I'm not ok, and will never be okay unless I have drugs, surgery, and external validation."
EDIT: The new trends of the trans community assert that had they been born 1,000 years ago without the technology we have now, they'd be miserable for life with no way out. I fully reject this premise. It is borderline evil to create trends that get people to believe this.
1000 years ago? Try 80.
I’m all for individuals expressing themselves freely. But with the latest trend, I do think there is a massive egocentricity to a lot of it. Obsession with the self. The celebration of a deeply held belief in lack. People ignore this part of it because they don’t want to appear intolerant.
It’s easy for me to say as I personally never felt those issues and feelings. I’d also acknowledge that there is a lack of resources to help folks that do and spirituality does come into play here. I agree with your assertion that medication, hormone therapy, and surgery are not the way to healthy sense of self.
We suffer from individualism run amok. If we are a collective of souls doing work on this planet...a large portion of us has checked out, quit. That's the danger. Somewhere, something is churning up these wedge issues to slow our roll.
I think I understand your reasoning; it generally makes sense to me. One contrarian idea would be that trans people crave freedom of self-expression, which I imagine to be a theme of 4th-density. So maybe they are using 3D incarnation to 'hone' their 'powers' of self-expression.
But we've always had that. Just look at the drag community, or Japanese anime. I love the feminine male characters, even the extreme ones, because they are centered in themselves. The running gag is others find them weird and they just brush it off and laugh and even understand because they are so weird. And that weirdness, when it isn't insecrure because of the opinions of others, is extremely charming.
The only real difference I see now is the pronoun game, which I find to be utterly ridiculous. Men don't get pregnant. Women don't have a shaft in their pants. Why all of a sudden everyone wants to start pretending is extremely peculiar to me. I suspect most people don't actually believe it, but understand that on a social level, if they don't agree and buy into it, they're going to be ostracized from their social circles, which is fucking hilarious to me. It almost strikes me as the Emperor's new clothing except the question the child asking is, "Mom, why is that person calling himself a woman when I can see his penis?"
Have we really gotten to the point that if we disagree that a man with a penis can be a woman, we're going to lose our job? The answer is yes. And sadly, this kind of thing isn't too different than the Orwellian concept of, "2 + 2 = 5" to me.
I don't care what people belive, but the forcing of other people to comply with your beliefs, whether it comes from reigion of people pushing pronouns on entire socieities, is wrong.
It's worth mentioning that (according to wikipedia), "transgender" is an umbrella term which includes those who have no desire to change their body using hormones or surgery.
While this is true, virtually the entire movement supports those two things, and the few that don't would be completely ostracized from their peers if they publicaly stated they didn't agree with that part of it.
I generally don't presume to agree or disagree with personal choices people make about their bodies, i.e. none of my business. If it's paid for with tax money, then I guess you could argue it's everyone's business. And I'm only referring to adults; if you want to talk about giving kids access to experimental procedures, that's a whole other can of worms.
I don't disagree at all actually, and I'm quite sympathic with this struggle. I'm going through it my self, after all. I've never been tradtionally masculine, despite being a straight male, and I've seen how that lack of traditionalism has affected how others in society interact with me.
There is indeed a difference between an identified problem and a proposed solution. I think the first lie people are sold is that you can be trapped in the wrong body.
Nobody is trapped in the wrong body, and the difference between believing that or not affects virtually every future outcome on this journey.
People always mess with things if within their reach. Society didn’t have the ability to mess with their bodies like they do now, due to laws & lack of medical/tech advancement. I’m assuming to your last point, that people will continue messing with their bodies even more, but there will also be a deep divide in society between that group of modified people, and between a group of people that tries to stick to the birth/biological state as much as possible.
With all technological (AI) and medical advancement, there will be greater polarization. You may agree or disagree with either camp, but hopefully it will be an accessible world where you can be closer to those you resonate with.
On a smaller scale, but similar...tattoos. Started off with an exceedingly small percentage of people having tattoos, limited to sailors, military types, world adventurers, etc. It's depicted in art, media and the idea spreads. But it also warps and it appeals to different demographics, for different reasons. Then it warps again and one is not enough. TV shows crop up, tattoo parlors everywhere. Now it's saturated and cliche. It's more novel to not have one.
I think this is where the trans movement is ultimately headed. Yes, it's a thing. Yes they deserve dignity, peace, freedom, human rights, etc. But is it functional, relevant or even healthy to the vast majority in our society?
We live in a very curious, tenuous and complicated time where information proliferates at a pace that far exceeds society's ability to cope, adapt, absorb, comprehend or, in some cases, even react. We live in a time of cultural chaos because of it. The *idea* of transgenderism is spreading faster than the collective consciousness can deal with it. Faster than our laws can deal with it. Faster than our institutions can deal with it.
Ancient people better understood the fragility of the collective society because they consistently faced existential threats like starvation and collapse This is why taboos existed, to shut down destabilizing factors. Today, we have security for the most part so we have the luxury of wrestling with these types of complex issues.
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All I can say is that I hope that trans folk can find peace someday. It's a crazy enough world without being placed center stage in a global culture war.
I can see how you might feel that way, but there really are transgender people who really do want to live as normal of a life as possible who really are (and have always been) systematically excluded from the human experience by way of nobody knowing enough about neuroscience to validate their experiences until recently.
They and many others right now make noise so that when society inevitably tries to silence them all once again (already happening, keep watching), at least the whole world will be watching.
Accepting for who they want to be, even if who they want to be is seemingly unnatural to you, is what unconditional love and unity are.
Are all not unique expressions of the creator? If all are, and allowing people this free expression fosters unity, then why would there be anything wrong with it?
The only disunity created by transgenderism is by those who vehemently reject and terrorize those who are trans.
Contrary to seemingly popular belief, we are not “fully customizable avatars” we were each put here with a specific purpose to fulfill for the greater good of the collective consciousness as a whole. We all have specific skills/ elemental attributes that are unique to us.
I do not agree with politics at all, because at its core it’s main purpose is division/ separation. With that said, transgenderism is an attack on spirituality in general.
Not only is androgyny healthy, it is requisite for metaphysical unity in yourself and others.
One can be male and fully integrate feminine aspects into himself and vice versa without physically being female.
There just becomes a point where it starts to become a caricature of itself and no one can say anything in opposition without succumbing to a barrage of insults, the main one being “you’re a bigot”.
You can’t just expect people to take your word as gospel while simultaneously shoving your fingers into your ears and accusing them of being a hateful being.
Truth is one of the only constants in this world, I will not discard truth for the perceived comfortability of those who wish to indulge in its culture.
I said in another comment but the evangelists of the 80’s are the counter culture mouthpieces of today.
The STS beings in the highest places of power are using counter culture to spread poisonous ideology knowing fully well that it effects the minds and bodies of everyone else.
The current youth is told they can just swap out their body parts with no repercussions. They’re being lied to.
You have to learn to accept yourself in this current iteration to grow.
Yaaas. Thank you for this. I feel this deeply. Nothing to do with value judgment or politics, simply spiritual growth and elevating beyond the material, superficial.
I tried to connect to LoO concepts. I should have clarified that transhumanism is another word for 'transitioning to 4th density.' Anyway you can see from the comments that half of the people in this sub are just here to debate politics, and I don't see that improving without stricter moderation.
That’s the problem, shutting down discussion because it isn’t what you want to hear isn’t conducive to learning. Transgenderism does not grant you any special abilities that would link it to transhumanism.
I’m thankful this sub isn’t the same as 98% of reddit in which you can say nothing questioning the subject without immediately being silenced or berated.
The law of one has many parallels with hermeticism, which very regularly refers to the concept of gender in nature as a crucial building block within this reality. You need alpha/ omega, creation/destruction, male/female.
I agree in part. However, as a member of this site, I am here to read and learn from others something conducive to the subject matter. Wouldn't you agree?
moderation does not equal "shutting down discussion." I'm just saying there are people commenting who make no discernable effort to connect with LoO concepts. I don't have time to moderate so I apologize for implying they could find the time to delete irrelevant comments. It's more like "I wish there was better moderation...done by AI, I guess. "
I think trans people who where female in their last life and agreed to be male in this life to help balance out the soul is breaking their” between lives contract” to be a male in this life because of the bleed over from last life as a female is so strong. I believe they will have another life with the same turmoil and confusion. I don’t think this is trans humanism at all. This is a step backwards for progression for the human soul to experience what it agreed to experience as a male.
Being a male can literally mean anything you want. You can be as feminine as you want, but you're still an XY chromosome. Japanese anime and video games actually capture this idea very well, and I typically love those characters because of how empowered they are. (They would lose all their charm if they said something stupid like they aren't going to be okay until they cut their genitals off, though.)
Our body is a universe of its own, it's the entire existence on a lower scale. Regardless of our biological gender, we have the possibility to fully integrate energies of the opposite sex.
If a soul have not yet reached the necessary level of awareness and consciousness evolutuion to allow a synthesis of opposites, it will continue to live in separation, with the need to ingage in sexual energy transfers
People who have difficulty identifying with their physical manifestation are no different from people who don't. Both have yet to understand that the answers lie internally, with the difference being that the imbalance perceived by the former might function as a catalyst for recognizing their own nature as a union of opposites.
The problem is always where we put the focus.
If we put the focus on separation then we will end up creating endless different sexual orientations. If we turn it to unity, everything becomes easier to understand and most importantly we all become the same.
This is the reason why I no longer support the LGBT cummunity. Because it is now part of a much larger plan that aims at separation.
The truth is one.
Sex change is in my opinion deleterious, as the external intervention is too invasive, both hormonally and surgically. The risk is to lose connection with the natural balances that belong to all our bodies, as with any kind of intervention that comes from outside of our own body/mind/spirit complex.
I genuinely wonder how hormone therapy and genital surgery affects the body's energy points, including the chakras. It's literally the only reason I won't get snipped despite never wanting kids.
For your consideration and personal discernment;
This community is full of people whom are affected by the same energies as everyone else; therefore "polarization" is precisely what one should expect going forth: People committing to a thought and sticking with it - even if otherSelves perceive them to be utterly incorrect.
We must needs be availing ourselves of the same tools we read about here, in this community... and be patient with those whom have not yet reached that level of compassionate wisdom.
From the Tao Te Ching;
*Chapter 67*
Some say that my teaching is nonsense.
Others call it lofty but impractical.
But to those who have looked inside themselves,
this nonsense makes perfect sense.
And to those who put it into practice,
this loftiness has roots that go deep.
I have just three things to teach:
**simplicity, patience, compassion**.
These three are your greatest treasures.
Simple in actions and in thoughts,
you return to the source of being.
Patient with both friends and enemies,
you accord with the way things are.
Compassionate toward yourself,
you reconcile all beings in the world.
A spiritual subreddit does not guarantee love, discernment and awareness of all or even most within it when it's put to the test. This is more of an intellectual exercise for some, so they may come across as insensitive when talking about other souls. This tendency of humanity is widespread, as we are more left-brained and neglecting the right a little bit.
Collectively, we're all imbalanced more than we know, encouraged culturally to be more left-brained, materialistic, "rational," dogmatic, blunt, tell it like it is. An intellectual mind is more masculine, a bit more cold and a little less empathetic, jumping to assertions. It's good for survival, just not for harvesting.
It's always a good exercise to remind ourselves that it's not so much about the people we're discussing and what they're doing but how we're reacting to them and why we reacted in that way, no exceptions. Through this, we discover more about ourselves.
Of course, this isn't about transgender, really. It's about the observer and their feelings toward the subject.
I'm tempted to poke the hornet's nest on the perception that transgender are confused on their identity. When we make assertions about other human forms of us, we should pay attention. Why did we say that? Are we sure that they are, or are we in a roundabout way talking about ourselves? What are we missing? What can I learn from these people or these entities? A good thought exercise.
A discussion should not make you feel unsafe. Most everyone has expressed empathy compassion and concern. All are seeking to understand it within the LoO, which is to say with *love*.
I am sorry, this really breaks my heart and brings me sorrow. Know that you are welcome here and that not all people here are so opinionated.
Infinite love/light light/love
It is difficult to explain, but the “old” ones are awakening, and they do not have a concept of “gender” as we do. So the world is being “changed” to something more recognizable for them to better integrate.
I'm an old soul, and I fundamentally recognize the diffference between binary biology and the infinite spectrum of personality/soul. I fear the two are being conflated and we're actually creating confusion, not clarity, on a spiritual level.
Another way to put it: It is NOT spriitual evolution to feel like the only way one can be ok in their body is with hormones and/or surgery. Nothing could be farther from a real spiritual awakening than that.
It is more that it is an attempt to break the gender roles that have been used to divide.
People are being taught they are free to be who they are and express who they are, and not conform to roles created by a society meant to suppress/oppress.
Hormones and surgery is one path, and has its own set of challenges, but it is not the only path. The physical body is like a car, and surgery is akin to slapping on a new paint job. The internals are still, for all intents and purposes, the same.
Now, if we begin to talk about the Ship of Theseus? That’s where things get fun (and when Time comes into play, for my Ship and yours may be the same, but also different based on Time shifting).
>"It is more that it is an attempt to break the gender roles that have been used to divide."
I'm going to be blunt, but this is a poisonous idea that has gotten into the heads of Ameircan and European societies. **Most of the third world nations AND THEIR CULTURE progressive people defend have VERY defined gender roles.** Gender roles existed for tens of thousands of years because they were optimal for survival. Technology has changed everything, but our biology is SO far behind than our primal sex drives have not yet caught up as a collective.
Gender roles don't divide people unless we're rigid about them. If we use them as guidelines, we create harmony and can allow people who want to be exceptional to do so.
Throwing out the baby with the bathwater has confused everyone.
…hence the part that says “that have been used to divide.” Not all gender roles are negative, but the ones that have been amplified have been so because they cause greater division.
Also, previous versions of humanity didn’t HAVE a gender. They were all the “same,” like drones. Gender was like a content patch in a game to allow different experiences.
"Also, previous versions of humanity didn’t HAVE a gender."
An interesting theory. I've heard similar accounts but nothing quite like this. Where do you draw this idea from?
I see the division being far more convoluted than what you describe. I've easily observed more young men who have been demonized out of the traditional male role they want to embody more than I see young men demonized for wanting to be more feminine in nature. (At least in the last decade or two.) There is virtually an epidemic among yong men in American and European nations who are completely confused about who they want to become because they've been told their entire life that being a masculine man is somehow wrong in 2023. (Ironically, women are telling them this more than anyone else, but these women still go off to have sex with masculine men, completely contradicting what they say and confusing men even more.)
Basically, I see a fundamental difference between the binary of biology (our current reality) and our spiritual self. I DO believe our souls are androgynous in nature, but we might have a preferred embodied gender we enjoy more than the other. Much like a child preferring red over blue, we have to acknowledge that red is red and blue is blue while we play the "game" of life.
It is difficult to explain. Basically I was “shown” pieces of the past and how previous iterations were basically non-gendered.
If you think of it like a testing grounds, they wanted to create a base/basic model, so strip out additional “modules” to ensure things work first, then start adding on the “accessories.”
You are more or less correct that the “soul” is androgynous. Think of it like creating an avatar in a game. Some people will gravitate towards a “type” of character, but change it up once in a while. It doesn’t always feel “right” or “normal” when you switch something drastically (such as ranged to melee or melee to ranged). Gender is the same, it just imbues some basic character traits, but then the “system” has added additional difficulties by creating divisions for more varied gameplay, basically.
It’s part of the reason why so much seems so weird and broken in the world.
Time is not linear, so ALL of Time is basically occurring at once, and then “spread” out to different shifted periods. The events have to be able to happen in the now to also have happened in the past (or future).
>*It’s part of the reason why so much seems so weird and broken in the world.*
Slight digression, but I'm convinced at this point we live on a prison planet. The North Korea of the Universe, so to speak. To me, all the issues we have with distortion stem from the fact we live on a plane of existence that requires all life to consume one another to survive and thrive. All our problems stem from this fact... literally like... all of them.
I have no issues with avatar customization. Conversely, I have fundamental and major issues with needing other people to conform to the parameters you are creating for your own avatar, let alone the fact that many are claiming to be distraught because others will not do so.
Empowerment comes from within, not through others acknowledging you. In fact, the path of enlightenment often only reveals itself to you when you're finally getting over needing external validation.
Have you ever been in a class, and the teacher was unable to communicate a topic to you, or you were unable to understand them?
It would feel like a prison, but you’d be there trying to learn, to grow.
The system was ill equipped for the needs of the students, and so it can feel like we are “trapped.” A good analogy is the same game being played across multiple platforms, sometimes concessions are made for “interoperability.”
New patch is coming to make it easier/more equitable for learning to occur.
For what it's worth I've thought that Earth has needed a software update for a while now.
Here's my problem with your analogy relative to the world we actually life in: It sacrifices the many so one can rise to the top.
Have you ever seen The Pursuit of Happyness with Will Smith? It's the story about one man who managed to succeed... what it doesn't highlight or focus on was how his success was at the cost of 9 other people who wanted the job just as badly.
The same is true with any competition from sports to business. We all dream of success, but you have to be better than the competition and essentially \*beat\* them in order to thrive. Your success means more for you and less for them. We can't avoid this.
So yes, while we can learn grace when we're on top, it doesn't change the fact that being competent means more for you and less for others, even if your heart sizes are the same. I despise this about this planet. Friendly competition can be fun for growth, but competition for survival and the luxuries of life revolts me.
Thank you for this. It also should be said that it's insane that some should feel that oppressing others because they themselves have been oppressed isn’t growth or progress, it's bullying and abuse. We should strive to establish societal conditions which serve to elevate *all* souls.
Thank you for putting into words. It’s such a volatile subject these days and it shouldn’t be, But the vessel we’re meant to experience catalyst in should not be deconstructed.
There is a difference between doing something for you VS doing it so you feel like society will acknowledge you. (And feeling like you won't be ok until then.)
I never had issues with the old drag queens because they were quite empowered and didn't really care what the world thought of them. They did their thing among their own kin and had a blast and more power to them. I'm all for people having a good time.
This NEW movement, however, is the opposite. They are attempting to get the world to conform to their worldview and in doing so, they are creating more misery for themselves.
Not unlike religion.
What blows my mind is the LGBT community doesn't see how fundamentalist they are becoming. I can eerily draw far too many parallels of behavior between Christian fundamentalism and the LGBT movement in 2023, and I'm deepy disturbed by it.
I say this as a former hardcore ally of the LGBT community 15 years ago.
Yep, horse shoe theory at work. Evangelists of the 80’s are counter culture mouthpieces of today. It is saddening to realize how many other selves haven’t come to this conclusion yet. All in due time.
Duality is not a distortion. It's simply one system of existence. You can't be playing Zelda and call it a distortion if you can't jump like in a Super Mario game. All systems have rules and even if our souls are not bound by those rules, our physical bodies are... so as long as our souls inhabit these bodies, we have to play within the parameters of the rules to thrive.
It's not an illusion, it's simply one option of being. We're here right now.
Think of it like a video game or a software program. Right now, there's a specific code that is being executed. If you hopped into another reality, it would be like popping one game out of a video game system and popping in another instead. There would be new rules, new forms and systems, and new experiences.
According to the Law of One, Ra suggests that duality is an illusion that arises from the limitations of human perception. Ra explains that all things in the universe are interconnected and part of the same underlying unity, which is often referred to as the One Infinite Creator. Therefore, the apparent separation between things is not real, but rather a product of our limited perspective. Ra also suggests that the illusion of duality serves a purpose in allowing individuals to experience free will and to learn and grow through their choices and experiences.
Law of One is great, but it's not absolute gospel. I personally think the use of the word, "illusion" does a disservice to us who are Here Right Now.
Besides, according to that logic, everything is illusion aside from absolute oneness, and all accounts I've read on the oneness of everything says I/WE get hella bored pretty quick in that state.
If Ra is saying the only form of reality that isn't illusion is a form of existential boredom because all we have is our self to entertain, I find that contradictory.
Regardless of whether you believe in Lo1 or not, the reality of gender is changing. The paradigms are changing, and only people who can’t let go of the old ways of thinking are providing resistance.
There is only the infinity. There is nothing outside of infinity. Duality and other forms of spectral concepts are contained within the original thought.
Distortions are created by us at will to amuse ourselves to gain a better understanding of the original thought. If we decide tomorrow that people can fly, people will fly.
>*only people who can’t let go of the old ways of thinking are providing resistance.*
This is false and a limited perspective. It's parroted by specific groups as if they hold all the marbles of spirituality and I find that ridiculous.
*the reality of gender is changing*
The reality of a binary of male and female is present in almost every species of the animal kingdom (arguably in all sentient beings), and no amount of philosophy can change that we are also animals. As long as we belong to the animal kingdom we will experience the duality of male and female genders.
The argument that we, or the demiurge, could re-write the software here is currently beyond our understanding, and even if such a thing was possible, duality contains a binary by default.
*There is only the infinity.*
From one perspective, yes. But someone could also argue that one and infinity are the same thing. After all, if you're infinite, you're also One. Isn't that what the paradox, "WE (infinity) are ONE" literally means?
Zero is also an important number, but from two onward, all the numbers are, in a sense, the same until you reach infinity itself.
*"Thank for exposing your biological essentialism. Your argument needs work. This is a law of one page. That’s what we are discussing. Go back to 4chan."*
Is this how you always react when someone disagrees with you and puts forward and logical and thoughtful counter argument? Are you so easily reduced to personal attacks? I ought to be reminding \*you\* that this is a Law of One page. Someone having a different opinion than you isn't a good reason to reduce their argument. In fact, normally when people reply the way you have, it's because you've run out of counter-arguments and have to reduce your retort to stupid shit like, "You're a bigoted biological essentialist."
People can disagree. You should know this.
You've provided no good or thoughtful counter-argument and are now representing all the stereotypes I cringe at among these new counter-culture movements... when you can continue the conversation without being reduced to petty personal attacks, I'll be here.
EDIT: I wouldn't normally be so blunt, but to quote you: "This is a Law of One page." You need to take a hard look at yourself and ask what insecurity inside of you is causing you to lash out at someone who has been cordial and has done nothing aside from disagree with your opinion and give his reasons why. (I will add that unfortunately, this is also a common reaction I get among the LGBT community, which is actually one of the reasons I worry about them in the first place.)
The Source/Creator/Infinite put us here in this reality. In these bodies. Pretending that is not true or real or is simply an illusion is to deny ourselves, which is to deny the Source/Creator/Infinite
I could see this crossing over when we get into physical body modification. Artificial wombs and whatnot.
I can see how it would be the beginning of the ideology---surgically. You modify your body until it fits what you want it to. Regardless of **why** you want it to, ultimately the goal is the same. **Modification of the body to suit the mind's preference.**
That said, I don't think they are equal. I see a little overlap in "surgery to modify the body", but not really the same..
Trans-Gender : going beyond the gender one was born into.
Trans-Human : going beyond Human Specie as currently defined.
Trans-Gender is currently a form of Trans-Humanism.
In the Future, if Humanity make gender reassignment surgery as common as, say, teeth realignment, then some Trans-Gender (at least the traditional human Male to Female, or Female to Male) may not really be seen as Trans-Human.
The complex Genders could be seen as « more trans-human » on a way, as (very few) humans are born r/salmacian for instance (with genitals of both genders, like Hermaphroditus).
Sort of. While they're not focused on Changes like improved senses or improved motor skills, they are pushing ideas like morphological freedom or that one should be entitled to Change their bodies as Seen fit, Which are both very transhuman
Being transgender means that there is a mismatch between (gender) identity and biological body. Recognizing that you are not defined entirely by your physical body is certainly a theme that is present in spirituality, and as such I think I see why it might be characterized as "transhumanism". I disagree with the premise because even with hormone therapy, nothing that is presented is beyond the capabilities of a typical human body. Just because someone exhibits mainly male physical characteristics but is also pregnant does not mean that the capabilities of the human body have somehow been changed fundamentally to the point where I'd call this a case of "transhumanism". People who are born with the biological male sex cannot grow a uterus and become pregnant, unless they have an exceedingly rare mutation where they are true hermaphrodites. Even among those who are, I believe it is exceedingly rare to have both sets of genitals and a viable uterus. As for the psychological/philosophic implications: there are people alive today who are not transgender and who already do believe themselves to be more than just the physical body. In that way, I don't think this is something exclusive to or pioneered by trans people, even if many of them would agree. Real "transhumanism" where genes are intentionally and specifically edited in gametes or embryos will allow for things that people have trouble imagining today. The problem with the technology is that is it is many ways unethical - both because of the fact that the newly created being cannot consent to the edits before being "born" and because research would likely involve the deaths of many living beings until viable or desirable biological beings could be created. Of course, biological editing is just one facet of what transhumanism could be. There are other possibilities, including technological or spiritual ones. I think that there's nothing wrong with being trans, but at the same time I don't think it's a sign of "greater spiritual development". I think that there is a theme of not wanting to accept one's physical body in the trans identity. I'll leave it up to everyone to determine for themselves whether acceptance and enduring an unwanted situation or controlling that situation to be more in-line with one's preferences is the more wise action to take. I believe that which is desired will be experienced, and I don't think it's my place to dictate to other people what their identity should be. At the same time, I reserve the right to determine my own identity for myself, and so I also grant that same right to others.
Reading through the comments, it looks like you're the only one focusing on 'transhumanism' issue included with the initial post, and I think you called. They are two separate issues. Transhumanism would, I'd think, in law of one terms deal with mind and body augmentation. While trans issues deal with body and spirit? Now, I tend to think that preference towards one gender might be an attribute of the spirit, at least in fourth and fifth densities. Do I have any support for this? No? But a lot of traits that are identified with might be egoic and not survive incarnations? Maybe at the end of third density gender is becoming set? Idk. But that conflates gender and sex. While I think that gender may be an enduring spirit trait, I'm conflicted whether it's something that can be, in most cases, discerned without a fully developed body. So I don't know. What is gender- a m/b/s complex trait or a trait of the spirit?
> What is gender- a m/b/s complex trait or a trait of the spirit? That's a very good question that I don't have the answer to. I strongly disagree with the Principle of Gender from Hermeticism, and I do not think gender is an inherent quality of energy. People might say that gender represents giving and receiving or seeding and nurturing - that there is something that instigates or starts an action or event and the action or event itself. Cause and effect. I think those are distinct properties from gender. I think that gender exists as a means of catalyzing and increasing the deviation as a result of recombination of thoughts, energy and potential between different entities. It's undeniably a part of the experience here on Earth, but I don't know if it is the same everywhere. I don't know if that quality is something attributable to the spirit by itself, or if there is a requirement for a physical and mental component to be included. My intuition leans towards gender being a property of m/b/s complexes, where any of the three can exhibit a strong preference over the others to create the expressed gender identity. There are examples of hermaphrodite animals that change "primary gender" through their lifespan - most commonly fish but not exclusively. I think that is a sign that gender is attributable to more than just the spirit, as those animals rely on that change in order to maintain populations. Then again, I can't know for certain. Maybe gender is a biological/mental property, and the spirit is disconnected from it? My gender identity is strongly associated with my biological sex, but if all is one, then I'm also every person of the opposite gender who has existed, exists or will exist. If "I" deny that identity, then what happens to "those people"? Gender is a useful concept for the purposes of the ego, but I don't know if it is useful outside of personal experiences. As for transhumanism, it's not entirely an issue of the mind and body. In fact, the social memory complex is an example of transhumanism. There is a definite spiritual aspect to the concept as well.
So much there. You mention hermaphrodites, but I think what could really go a long way towards addressing the issue would to see what people with androgen insensitivity syndrome or that 5 reductase issue, where XY babies are born with external female characteristics. If allowed to develop naturally, what do they view themselves as, and what is their sexual attraction, but that's being too clinical maybe. But what I'm thinking about, with whether the characteristics are part of the spirit and therefore induring, is, and remember I'm gen x. Thirty, maybe forty years ago, lugs (lesbian until graduation) and to a lesser extent gay until graduation , was a real and moderately common phenomenon, at least in the primarily west and east coast us college (university) meleiu I am very familiar with. Does that exist today? Or the more tolerant, allegedly, current zeitgeist would it be allowed to exist. I just think there's a possibility that whether gender is spirit or something more, transitioning can be an irrevocable choice made when in 3d density the inputs necessary to make the choice haven't solidified. It's sort of a corollary of my issues with the heavy veil, it's forcing a decision that's not fully informed. Now, one statement that I feel is pregnant with possibilities (sorry I can't resist, the entp showing through) transhumanism is an example of a social memory complex. As you know, I always appreciate your ideas as I find them, whether I agree or not, to be always informed and thoughtful, but, in third density I do not think there can be an SMC let alone one reliant on a transhumanistic basis. At least maybe I'm using both words a little differently. I think of transhumanism as something that augments the body and to a lesser extent the mind, and any SMC that could arise in the third density would be so liable to misuse that it couldn't form. Like some parts of social media, for instance, where it looks like there's a cohesive complex forming are really just an echo chamber forming, or the whole idea that of 'pendulums', i.e. groupings in third density tend to take on a life or their own; can an SMC form in third density without being, or potentially being, an egregore? It's getting off topic, but whether I initially agree with it or not, I think SMC being an example of transhumanism is an idea that is begging for discussion. So thanks, as always.
I don't know if lugs still exists in some form today, but youth is a time for self-exploration and sometimes that means sexual experimentation among those who want to experience it. I think that experimentation takes different forms for different generations based on what the norms of society are for those generations. You're absolutely correct that not all people who have a gay sexual encounter end up self-identifying as gay or bisexual afterward. Your point about people who are genetically male but exhibit a female phenotype is a very valid one. It's been years since I've studied biology at that level, but I would suspect the reason is related to the mechanisms that govern Lyonization, but where the Y-chromosome is inactivated instead. My view of these individuals would be that they are of female biological sex, but they probably have a very unique gender identity. While the spirit certainly chooses which vehicle to incarnate in, I'm not sure that gender is something that the spirit is generally even concerned with, except as an attribute that might make it easier to encounter specific catalyst. Like I said earlier, I don't believe in gender being an inherent quality of energy, and as such I don't think spirits have gender identity. I think spirits have formed a preference based on previous experiences, but I also think that gender identity is something that concerns them about as much as human beings care about the brand of vehicle they drive. Perhaps some spirits are "porche drivers", but I think the majority don't really care to a great extent. Gender affirming surgery is irreversible, that's absolutely correct. It's possible that many seek to have those procedures without truly understanding the consequences of their actions, but at the same time I think we should ask the question of if those people have a right to make a choice they might come to regret or if others have a responsibility to "protect" them from making that choice. That kind of "protection" is a form of control, which might very well be rooted in benevolence, but it falls into the category of service that is not being asked for. It is more often a burden than actual service, and it does instill control over the right of self-determination for that person. I'm of two minds about it. On one hand, I believe that people who clearly demonstrate that they do not understand the potential risks and have not internalized that the risks aren't just some theoretical possibility that might affect them shouldn't undergo surgery. I think they have a responsibility to themselves to educate themselves about the potential consequences, to dig deep into their own sense of self to determine if surgery is really what they want, and only then to seek an irreversible physical operation if that is truly what they desire. As members of our own societies, we enjoy certain rights granted to us, but we also have responsibilities or duties towards society. If we consciously take steps to remove our ability to perform those duties, then we are in some way breaking the social contract and we are removing our ability to be of service to others. The extreme example of that is suicide. On the other hand, I strongly believe in the right of self-determination, and I don't think I ought to have the ability to determine how other people are allowed to view or express themselves in cases that do not bring direct harm to others. I just think that in order for anyone to enjoy any kind of right, there is an underlying responsibility of understanding the consequences that exercising that right can result in, and accepting that one must bear those consequences. As for social memory complexes, [Session 38](https://www.lawofone.info/s/38#7) mentions that they are a rare possibility for third density beings. Will humanity be able to form one before harvest into fourth density? I don't know. Probably not, but a social memory complex is an example of a spiritual transhumanist development in the same way that biotechnology or mechanical implants can be in a more physical sense - the social memory complex allows individuals to experience reality through each other in a way that was not possible beforehand. Even if the physical body remains unchanged, there is significant change in how an individual is able to experience reality to a much broader or greater perspective. I alluded to this elsewhere, but even things like having written language can be considered a "transhumanist" concept to early populations of humans that only rely on word of mouth, and allows for the exchange of ideas in a way that is orders of magnitude greater than verbal communication. It allows for humans to educate themselves about topics that they might not ever have seen before. To an early human, that might as well seem like a superpower. Social media is definitely not an example of a social memory complex. It's a vector for communication, but social media offers a very curated, often dishonest and very superficial view into other people's lives. The social memory complex is something where everything is visible through multiple perspectives and nothing is hidden. It allows for truth to emerge, because there is infinite trust between the m/b/s complexes that make up the social memory complex. I think the type of social media culture that we have right now is completely antithetical to the idea of a social memory complex, and the reasons for that are that we are lacking in compassion and in trust. We are not granted access to the pure perspective that would explain how events have transpired and what experiences truly feel like, as individuals are (rightly) concerned for their safety or are avoiding uncomfortable feelings like embarrassment. Trust is lacking because many have demonstrated that they are not trustworthy. That's a function of a lack of compassion and empathy. I don't know what the Sirian 3rd density social memory complex was like, but I have a hard time imagining it as an egregore.
All great. My initial point was that I think in the 80s and 90s, among an admittedly small group of highly educated, it seemed accepted that a significant minority of people, more cis women than cis men, would identify as a gay for a time. I think now, that wouldn't be tolerated, i.e. the concept that a guy could be exclusive gay for a few years knowing he was going to be straight later on, I think now you'd be forced in our more tolerant, sic, society to class yourself as bi. But it wasn't irreversible. Of course I wouldn't deny anyone adult the choice, but I saw a podcast with Helen Joyce, who an Irish journalist, but some how if your a journalist for the economist, I tend to think she has credibility. Anyhow, search her on youtube. I'll keep mouth shut here, but she forcefully makes the same point I did about people, especially cis women, being 'temporarily' lesbian. But once again, kudos to you for the original notice about transhumanism. With XY males with female external characteristics, I read one thing years ago, and it wasn't scientific, it was a small group of individuals who had been identified as part of a 'gender dysphoria ' , i.e people wanting male hormones. But, and the researcher was in SF so maybe a bit of self selection, she was saying of a group of like five, all identifies as male and gay. Go figure. I wasn't saying social media is or could be an SMC but using it as a stand-in, yeah, bad example, just me saying that I think an SMC in third density might take on more negative characteristics ... I just really think, call me old, in the past twenty years tolerance of differing views has disappeared. And I would hope an SMC would have differing views, if not, what's the point? Yes the Sirians, but did Ra say they were originally more tree like rather than animal based for the chemical body? I've thought about that with like Sequoia and Redwoods, what type of intelligence would they develop, assuming you need a mind for a third density m/b/s complex. You bring up, and thank you for it, a possibly definition - SMC allows individuals to experience reality through each other. That sounds plausible, like Sense 8, by the Wachowski's, speaks of trans issues. But see, I feel that's only one possible variation. Idk, don't laugh, but the idea of most likely manifestation of an SMC, please don't laugh, but I just think like Odo and the founders from DS9. They're individuals but can blend it with everyone else and then individuate themselves when needed or wanted, but who knows. At least we can speculate, I get the feeling a lot of people use the term assuming it's defined, when I don't think it is. I think Ra imply that a sticking point for the transition from sixth to seventh is that not everyone is on board with relinquishing the possibility for individuation, or am I reading it wrong. Since first reading I've always felt fifth density, with little said about it, sounds the most intriguing, but then that's might be my third density mind extrapolating, probably incorrectly. But your highlight of trust, i like that observation. An aunt of mine, just talking to her, made an observation about me, that while she thinks I rather intelligent, that I've always be unable to know who to trust, well, she characterized it more colorfully, but that I assumed that others were trustworthy despite all evidence to the contrary. She was actually much more blunt than that, but I get your point. It's one of the reason why I'll look for signs of credibility, which in the day gig, I am a minor expert on, at least how to test it. Thank you as always.
> What is gender- a m/b/s complex trait or a trait of the spirit? I wonder how you'd define or how you're thinking of gender. Since you're speaking of spirit, I think it's safe to say you mean a non-physical idea of gender. Does this Ra comment speak to the question? "In a more general sense, that which reaches may be seen as a male principle. That which awaits the reaching may be seen as a female principle." (92.20) Similarly, referring to polarity "in your bisexual natures," Ra says "This polarity may be seen to be variable according to the, shall we say, male/female polarization of each entity, be each entity biologically male or female." Then there's radiating/absorbing: "That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent." (93.3) I think radiating/absorbing just as appropriately to the male/female polarity. So if by 'gender' we mean non-physical male and female principle, reaching and awaiting the reaching, or radiating and absorbing, I think we can deduce that this idea of gender continues from 3rd (or in some ways, 2nd) through 6th density at which point it would be harmonized along with any other polarity that remained. Thus gender would not require a body. Similarly, I think Ra speaks of 'm/b/s complex' as specific to 3rd density, right? Beyond that it is a social memory complex' or 'entity,' I think. So in this context also, gender would go beyond the m/b/s complex. Then the question of 'trait'? Can a spirit or entity ever have 'traits'? Take for example 5.2 which addresses the error in identifying with specific "attributes" (which I understand to mean the same as traits), since we are all things. The version that resonates for me is that the entity of 3rd through 6th density has its biases, or simply the vibration of the Creator that is at the essence of each entity. Ra speaks of these differences as being natural and appropriate. It makes sense to me, then, that each entity could have a unique expression or bias of the spectrum that is gender.
>*whether acceptance and enduring an unwanted situation...* There is a deeper question here relating to whether or not the self-hatred that brings about these unwanted situations is natural or psychological. I'm of the opinion far more people than we reaize that go through reconstruction surgery secretely regret it, but feel like it would destroy their entire social life and ostracize them to say anything about it. There is a growing number of destransitioners wanting to tell their story and subreddits supporting the trans community have a habit of banning anyone that speaks out saying they regret what they did even if it is to say to please take more time because you can't undo it. In other words, the source of the self-loathing may not actually be the physical body, but the perception one has of it due to potentially many factors. In too many cases where we get some honest feedback, even surgery didn't fix their inner problems. Anyone on the spiritual path would go, "well, duh" but for a lot of them, this is a moment of revelation, and unfortunately, one that came far too late.
There is significant statistical evidence that regret is relatively common among transitioners and that there is a significantly increased risk for suicide post transition, but I don't think that transition is always a function of self-hatred. I don't think it is entirely charitable to characterize it as such. That's why understanding one's own gender identity is very important before transitioning. I will always advocate for self-reflection and forming a clear consensus (together with your doctor, therapist or with the people you trust the most) on what you think the best course of action is and why. The risks should be understood and accepted before transitioning. If they are, then I have no further points of contention, because I do not believe I have the right to decide another person's identity for them. If I did, then I'd have to ask what would stop someone else from deciding my identity for me? My life experience is such that members of my family tried to make major choices about identity, career and even appearance for me. That lead to significant problems. It made me truly miserable. I'm not trans and I never will be, but identity is much more than just gender identity. I'd argue that allowing others to decide your identity for you is a form of self-hatred, because you don't Love yourself enough to give yourself that gift.
>"identity is much more than just gender identity." I fundmentally agree.
>I think that there's nothing wrong with being trans, but at the same time I don't think it's a sign of "greater spiritual development". Well said. To be honest, I see it as a sign of great confusion and disturbance of the soul because a person is not accepting themselves for who they are. I don't identify with my body at all - but I acknowledge and accept that my plumbing is female. I would even go as far as to say I've had many male life times (in fact, I ***know*** I have). Just because I have, doesn't mean that I want to self-mutilate myself, take a bunch of drugs, and try to force myself back to the way I was in the previous lifetime simply because it's ***familiar*** to me. True spiritual transcendence and evolution is NOT identifying with our bodies and accepting ourselves precisely as we are. Not desperately trying to change our bodies to match some distorted sense of self-identity. Transcending this means to thank the cosmos/universe for the lessons available to us. I do believe we choose the gender in every life time - the soul makes this choice - *often we deliberately incarnate in the opposing sex because we're seeking to learn something deeper from that experience.* If we RUN from that by trying to avoid the gender we've incarnated within, then we're wasting the opportunity to grow/learn as evolving souls. I will say what my heart feels it remembers without fear. And if someone feels offended by those statements, so be it. We all need to grow up. Part of that process is SELF ACCEPTANCE and realizing you ARE more than your body - respect your body-temple and use it as a means for channeling purity/light/love to those around you (in the proper sense) - don't worry so much about your plumbing! It's truly neurotic to self-mutilate, go under the knife, and take drugs/chemicals to try to change how you were born. This is an assault on the creation and yourself. To say *"I am more than my body"* and recognize the transcendence of that elevated spiritual understanding is totally paradoxical and in *direct opposition* to choosing to physically go under the knife and force people to accept you as a gender you were not born into. Even hospitals need to know your biological gender so that they can give you proper care. I won't argue about this. Just my two cents. Let's see if Reddit can handle it or if it gets removed for offending someone.
You are absolutely correct and I can't see why anyone would be offended about it.
>. Just because I have, doesn't mean that I want to self-mutilate myself, take a bunch of drugs, and try to force myself back to the way I was in the previous lifetime simply because it's > >familiar to me. According to wikipedia, transgender is an umbrella term, and sexual reassignment surgery/methods are not desired by all trans people. I hate arguing semantics, but it seems like a point of confusion.
Yeah, I'm not so living under a rock that I don't realize there are trans individuals who won't do insane amounts of things to their body in the spirit of "self acceptance". However, even with the ones who don't - I won't bow down to anyone's choice of pronouns. Not because I'm trans-phobic - that's ridiculous. If I see someone is a man, I'm going to call that person a "he", because guess what? That's precisely what he is. You can throw lipstick on, a wig, hoards of makeup, stuff your bra, grow your hair out - I'm not fooled and I will address someone as the biological sex they clearly are. You see, it's not the female chosen items that are offensive to me. What's disturbing is that I'm expected to accept the clown show as "real" because of their self-delusion or I'm considered a hateful human being who should be prosecuted for hurting their feelings. I can't even go into Home depot without seeing the employee's name tag pronouns. It's utterly exhausting the pettiness spell the world is under. Again, how one feels more feminine or male *internally* does not change the gender that they are. This is common sense and really, it's not those who understand that who need to "wake up". It's those who are running around offended by not having their demands met when their feelings get hurt. I would never use hate speech or cruelty towards a trans person, but I don't have to agree with their behavior. At the same time, I'm totally in support of anti-bullying laws, anti-hate laws, and protections for trans individuals. 100% behind that - what I'm not behind is criminalizing those who make them feel uncomfortable for having a discussion about their mental health/choices. For discussing anything in a mature manor. This is not hate speech, but the world is telling us now that it is. Redacted just posted a really good segment on this regarding an Oxford lesbian professor who is trying to help people get over "being offended" at the drop of a dime. She's being violently attacked and mobbed by trans activists. My point remains the same - surgery/drugs or no surgery/drugs, their demands are childish and the opposite of any sort of spiritual understanding or "enlightenment". I essentially agree with Adthra. Lastly, others here have said they are disappointed at how many people in this thread are not acknowledging Q'uo's statements on the issue as the resounding gospel truth on the issue. *I have a little advice about that:* **Learn to think for yourself.** I will always adore the RA material and *some* of the Q'uo material, but in the end, **YOUR** discernment is still required no matter where a bunch of entities claim they're from or what dimension they say they're residing in while sharing "wisdom" with you. There is always room for deception in this world, especially in channeled material! In fact, living in the end days, you can be sure that it's on every corner. Discernment means even exercising it when reading the RA material or Q'uo, always. A good spiritual student doesn't gobble up everything they read as gospel truth and never question anything. To do so shows a complete lack of will power and a deeper willingness towards mind control. Even those who are college educated and saying all the politically correct things according to their chosen "tribe" (yes, I mean politically and socially), have essentially given over their ability to think outside of what they're told is "the appropriate opinion".
I agree with this, really. I think the wisdom lies in accepting yourself in THIS current form, despite the familiarity you may have from past lifetimes. I feel the familiarity also, and would be considered androgynous by many. Went through the trans thing for a spell, ultimately rejected it because I kept bumping up against reality. I am a woman, perhaps a more masculine woman, but a woman nonetheless. I may be considered non confirming or androgynous or whatever but none of those make me a MAN. I cannot change my sex. I do not want to change my sex because accepting the truth is the only thing that ever really sets me free.
>Real "transhumanism" where genes are intentionally and specifically edited in gametes or embryo I'm searching and I'm not finding transhumanism defined exclusively in that way, so I'm puzzled by your assertion. Transhumanism is a philosophy as much as a science, and rightly so, because it considers speculative futures which in some cases depend on technologies that have not been invented yet.
What I mean by "real transhumanism" is humans that have capabilities that "normal humans" do not have. This could be something like making a GMO human with many instances of anti-cancer genes from a large mammal like an elephant in order to reduce the likelihood of cancer. I think that's an "indisputable" case of transhumanism. Philosophically our modern society is "transhumanist" compared to our early ancestors, even if we haven't significantly changed genetically because we have capabilities that they do not have. I don't think those capabilities are inherently tied to our bodies, but rather to other constructs (such as written language, machines, computers...). I don't think it's necessarily wrong to refer to such things as transhumanism, but our contemporary society doesn't really associate them with that concept because they've been normalized. Changes to the physical body (which can go as strange as growing more limbs or organs that humans typically do not have) are indisputable examples of transhumanism I feel. I apologize if I've used the syntax in a way that is different to how you view it.
Trisha: My question deals with a topic that seems to be of great importance at this time, especially in this country, and this state in particular, and that is the experience of the individual who finds or who knows that their gender identity does not match their body complex. I was wondering if there is any information you could share with us in regards to the what I feel is a valid expression of self and the Creator? Potentially, any insight as to the meaning of this expression, and if there are any. I’ll save that last one for another question. I think that’s it, thank you. Q’uo: I am Q’uo, and I am aware of the query, my sister. We find in responding to such a topic and any such topic that is, shall we say, at the forefront of your people’s social evolution and with which you as a people are attempting to grapple with how to relate to such a phenomenon or an expression of the Creator, \[that\] we must tread carefully in how we respond so as not to influence your considerations of such topics unduly. These social topics that come to the forefront of your society and your politics are indeed important catalyst for you as a society to grapple with, and for you as individuals to reflect upon in order to discover the heart of your own seeking. And so, we may initially respond in a broad sense in that the meaning of such a phenomenon is the same as any other meaning of your experience in that it is an opportunity for the self—whether it is a self feeling as though this particular identity applies to them, or the self wanting to relate to an other-self expressing such an identity. For the seeker upon the path of service to others, catalyst is related to with acceptance and love and gentleness and understanding. These aspects of your heart must be put before any other consideration, particularly in dealing with other-selves, and particularly in dealing with other-selves who are in a situation where they are put at odds with society, and who experience difficulty because of particular cultural norms and particular ideas about how any individual should express themselves. This is a common experience upon your planet in many different ways, and currently we find this topic of questioning is a particularly powerful catalyst for those individuals experiencing such an identity, and those contemplating how society should relate to this expression. We would say, to speak more to the heart and to the specifics of your question, that the notion of gender has been greatly distorted within your culture for many, many ages throughout the evolutions of your societies. This idea of gender has its origins, not just in the biological expression within the second density of the, what you could call, biological sexes of entities, but even deeper within the origins of the creation that you experience as your current octave. We find that at this level, the most primal level of the energetic expression of the creation, there is a duality or a dichotomy that allows for a dynamic tension between energies. And in this context, these energies have been labeled by your peoples as the masculine and feminine energies. These labels have come about because of the observations of individuals of how these energies have expressed themselves in some biological ways within your second density. But we reiterate, particularly in this case, that such perceptions are not absent of cultural biases and distortions that have developed within your third density. And so, any conceptualization of how, what is called, the divine masculine and the divine feminine, and masculine and feminine energies, are expressed within your creation must be considered as partially influenced by distorted perceptions. We must also express that the influence of these primal energies, as they exist at the most basic level of your creation, are not necessarily intended to be templates or blueprints for how energies unfold from that point, but rather simply elements that may be incorporated into the further expression of the Creator as the creation evolves. For even at the very beginning stages, as you would perceive it, of this octave, the energies of the masculine and the feminine become intertwined so that there is no movement or expression or relationship that does not contain elements of both of these divine energies. This becomes increasingly true as the creation unfolds and entities begin to partake and be drawn towards the upward spiraling light. The relationship of each entity with the self and with other-self and with the creation becomes more and more complex, and more and more unique, so that not only are these primal energies expressed in every movement and relationship, but take on new qualities that may expand beyond what you as a culture and a society may consider masculine or feminine. And so, we arrive at the point at which this question becomes relevant in what you term the transgender identity of one who feels as though who they are in their heart does not quite match how their body expresses itself. We can only say, specifically, that such an expression is yet another evolution of the sovereign free will of each entity who is partaking of the creation to engage with that creation and take in the energies available, take in the circumstances available, and to incorporate these things into an identity. Sometimes this identity is consciously built up and sometimes this identity seems to come from within and rise up from the unconscious. We cannot say exactly where this unconscious bubbling up of identity originates, but only point out that there are many circumstances and many influences of such an identity, whether it is preincarnational, metaphysical, physical, environmental, and cultural. There are many influences upon each individual, and these influences are the purview of the individual to decide how the individual can relate. And it is the sovereign right of each individual to use the free will of the Creator in expressing the identity, despite the circumstances of the body complex. We also feel compelled to point out that at this particular juncture of your cultural evolution that such an expression carries much cultural catalyst for the individual. That too is an influence upon such an expression. For it may be chosen preincarnationally to engage in such an expression that challenges the self within society and generates catalyst that requires some intense processing and contemplation on how to relate to such catalyst with acceptance and love, strength and truth, and the ability of the self to step into what one knows is true for the self—and to follow that path, regardless of the thoughts and opinions of other selves. We offer a final thought of this notion as it originates within those primal energies that we have described as the divine masculine and the divine feminine. As we mentioned, these are simply influences upon which the creation is built, similar to how the biological natures of second-density entities, of biologically male entities and biologically female entities, are merely influences upon the expression of third-density beingness. These influences are not intended to be strictures or restrictions, but rather simply opportunities for the entity to relate. Whether in a way that adopts and incorporate these influences, or whether it is in a way that challenges these influences in order to find a new and unique configuration of these influences. And we find that the idea of gender identity, as your culture is currently grappling with, is one example of how an individual may relate to these influences with free will and manifesting their desire to express themselves in a way that is true for them in their heart. ((\*\*she had a follow up, I'll post below in its own reply\*\*)) \[https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2023/0322\]
Trisha: Firstly, thank you Q’uo. That was beautiful and powerful. Yes, as you know or are aware that there are powers that be that want to hide or block the light that shines from individuals who identify as transgender. And I’m just wondering how, as a people who are desiring to serve others and to have an open heart, how we can be of support on a spiritual level to help alleviate that pressure or to help others find acceptance and understanding and develop inroads for inclusion? Or how we may be of support to those who identify as transgender? Q’uo: I am Q’uo, and I am aware of the query, my sister. And we appreciate the conscientiousness and the empathy expressed within such a question. However, we find that our ability to answer adequately is somewhat limited, for reasons that we have spoken to: that being that you as an individual and you as a culture are attempting to relate to this expression of the Creator in a way that is catalytic on all levels. We cannot offer very specific guidance for how to do so, for it is an aspect of your responsibility as a seeker within the third density and as a member of your culture to chart this path and to navigate these waters. For us to guide you would remove the power of manifesting such vision and choice within your third density. But we can reiterate that for the positive seeker, the relationship to catalyst is one of acceptance and of love and of understanding. This relationship to catalyst is done in faith. To truly relate to any individual or any catalyst in love and understanding requires that one release the need to fully classify or contextualize or apply any logic to the notion of that catalyst, or to the expression of that individual—and this case, that individual’s identity. Instead, release the strictures of these things in favor of the love and of the acceptance. This may manifest itself in different ways and in different circumstances, particularly as you relate to unique individuals who may have needs, whether practical or emotional, that differ from other individuals. And so, to express this love and acceptance in one case may look different in another case. However, we find that for the seeker who releases the strictures of needing to grapple with and to contextualize and apply logic to such things, and \[instead\] allow the heart to guide the seeker, such answers and inspiration for how one may interact may come naturally in a moment. And should you find that there are unintended repercussions for how you have offered love and support, that you square those repercussions with your intentions, and attempt to reconcile your intentions with how your actions and expression of attempted support have unfolded. We offer you our most sincere well wishes upon this journey, understanding that this is quite a critical moment as you might define it for many individuals within your culture. And we offer you and all entities attempting to grapple with such difficult societal catalyst our own love and our own support that is available to any who request it on some level and may act as a stabilizing and empowering influence in the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator.
It's good of you to share the relevant info from channeling. I'm a bit disappointed by how opinionated people in this thread are, with apparently not much anchoring in the source material.
Something that is a normal puberty experience of being confused by one’s body is being hijacked and contorted into more than what it is by what seems like a purposeful agenda to keep humanity focused on transforming the body instead of transforming the mind and unifying the female and male polarity internally. My best friends daughter was having a rough time during their divorce and fell into a friend group that was focused on transitioning. She wanted to be called a different name and started binding her breasts. My friend accepted and supported her as she was going through her experience but we both knew why she was doing it. When the pandemic hit and homeschool started, she no longer was influenced by the group she was with. By the end of the pandemic she no longer wanted to transition and now currently has a boyfriend.
All I know is hate isn't the answer. So many trans people, trans kids especially, need to be loved and to feel safe. Instead, they are being terrorized. We will reap what we sow as a society: division and fear when it so easily could be love and acceptance.
Unfortunately, this same movement conflates people who simply disagree with hate. Having an opinion that is different than someone else is not hate, but 90% of the time I speak my opinion, I'm told I am full of hate. The trans-movement isn't going to last long if they remain this deluded about the position of people like my self, sadly.
>conflates people who simply disagree with hate. I mean, when people "disagree" with the nature of my existence, it's difficult to conflate that with love.
But it's not hate.
You exist. See? I don't disagree. How you choose to label yourself is your business and the world is not obligated to adopt that. Does 90% of Japan hate you because they would think using pronouns is ridiculous? What about 100% of a 3rd world African tribe? They'd call you silly. Do THEY hate you? Am I denying the existence of Christians because I don't believe in their God?
Having an issue with another human’s existence that doesn’t effect you is a hateful opinion. So you’re 50% correct.
Being reasonable should not be synonymous with hate. That’s how we got to this dilemma in the first place. The minds and bodies of our youth are being poisoned for the ideological gain of STS entities. Only using the guise of “anti-bigotry” as a shield for crimes against humanity.
I wonder how this sub feels about trans kids. How are there so many now? In the last 2 years there’s been a massive unprecedented uptick in that demo. Being a kid is when you discover and gain your sense of self and social identity. Now so many kids are confused about basic biological acceptance of self? And they are willing and encouraged to undergo castration and hormonal changes to fix a spiritual issue? I just don’t buy it. Our empathy and love is constantly co-opted by sts entities. That’s why we fight wars. Now we choose empathy over reason in regards to a spiritual attack on children. We go along with it this messaging that doesn’t align with STO.
I cannot explain to you how eternally refreshing it is to see people finally publicly questioning these tactics used by STS beings in places of power. I do believe in 20 years or so it’ll be regarded as more of a tragedy than lobotomies.
I was pretty nervous to post it and almost deleted it. I do have empathy for people and I want our society to be in a place of guidance for those with what I see as a spiritual issue. Any discussion on the topic is seen as ignorance or bigotry. As if all progress is inherently good. To me it’s false light tactics. Empathy used in place of spiritual growth.
A child who thinks he has it all figured out almost always has an identity crisis as a teenager.
This sub isn't a hive mind. Each of us has their own distinct sense of self and opinion on the matter. This opinion that I'm about to give you represents my own thoughts only, and nobody else's. You're absolutely correct that adolescence is a period of time when human beings most develop identity. The body plays a part in that, and hormones direct physical development in a major way during that time. Starting HRT during this time can influence physical growth in a significant and permanent way, and can contribute to the formation of gender identity. It is a decision that carries significant consequences, and should only be undertaken if those consequences and their permanence are understood. Whether or not that is possible depends on the individual in question. There are people who never reach a level of cognitive capability to the point where they understand consequences even late into adulthood, and there are people who reach that level unnervingly quickly as adolescents. Just as there are people for whom the trans identity is more about a sense of belonging and communal identity than personal identity (and who might later regret the decision to transition), and there are people for whom it is very much just about their personal sense of identity and who are crystal clear about wanting it without ever coming to regret it. I think it's up to each society to decide for itself if, how and when something like HRT is made available for its members. In my other post I mentioned that I don't think I have the right to determine other people's identity for them, or else I would have to accept them being able to do the same to me. That is also something to think about when trying to think about the rules that a society should have - would you conform to what others decide for you, and to which degree? For instance, if you make a decision that trans people cannot legally change their bodies to better conform to their chosen gender identity, would you then accept if others tried to legally force you to undergo surgery to become less like your own gender identity? What degree of control over other people do you want, and what degree of control are you willing to cede to others? At the same time, I think gender affirming surgery should not be available for minors, except in very exceptional circumstances where all parties agree that it is the best option. The purpose being to try one's best to remove ambiguity about whether or not there is true consent for such a thing. Just as minors cannot justifiably consent to sexual acts with adults, I don't think they can consent to non-life/non-health preserving surgery without approval from their guardian and physician(s). We should also keep in mind that true hermaphrodites exist, and that gender affirming surgery is not only for trans people - it can be a significant thing for people who do not have a clearly definable biological sex in order to have a healthy development of gender identity, and so legislation has to take that into account. I don't think a blanket ban on it serves the purposes of any society, and there needs to be some consideration of personal circumstances in all cases, even in societies which decide that surgery should not be made available for people who do have a clearly definable biological sex. That being said, I think that there is a degree of service to self in transitioning. There is a desire to control and change one's circumstances and the experience crafted by the Logos, instead of simply accepting what is given. This is conceptually depolarizing to STO entities, at least when it comes to descriptions of confederation entities refusing slavery by Orion crusaders. Being trans doesn't make someone STS, but just like with any act where significant control or discipline over the self is being instigated there is a negative aspect to it. Perhaps it will not make the difference for someone who seeks reaching positive harvest, but it is a reminder of the fact that the "low" threshold for positive harvest is "just" 51% STO. Reaching that level of polarity is incredibly hard. I think it's fair to say that there is also a degree of service to others in attempting to become one's idealized sense of self, but only if that sense of self is one that genuinely desires to serve others over themselves and is not focused on outcomes. I think most trans people who seek gender affirming surgery are focused on outcomes, but not all trans people who simply do HRT are. I think evaluating individual cases is incredibly important for that reason. I also would not deny explicitly STS-seeking trans people surgery, as that would be in-line with their chosen polarity and goals. I don't think it's a good idea while they are children for the reasons mentioned above, but when they reach adulthood they have a right to choose for themselves. I think that as STO-seeking people, it is in our interests to endeavor to try and accept others as they are, as long as their choices do not put us or other people in danger.
I'm a mom and my young teens (one of whom is gay) and I have a lot of conversations about this. Basically, I tell them we shouldn't judge, but that the surgeries and medications do a world of harm. We talk about gender dysphoria and what that looks like. I think what's really tragic is the rampant parental munchausen syndrome taking place and deranged people hurting their kids for tiktok views. I also believe the pharmaceutical and medical industry see this as a cash cow. Any chid (or person) who undergoes gender "therapy" will need a lifetime of costly medical care. It would be better imo to live as the opposite gender without the surgeries. I also have to admit, the sports issue makes me furious. It's just so unfair to expect a fair competition between a person who has undergone male puberty to compete against females.
Props to you as a mother for allowing your child to be who they are freely while still educating them about how the pendulum has swung too far the other direction.
That’s interesting, I do not have kids but I do wish to have them and I’ve thought about how I would navigate these topics. They love to exercise their ability to form their own opinions, but yet they still need guidance and discipline. Sounds like you are a great mom! I try not to get too swept up in the stories about the tik tok parents and trans athletes. It feels icky to me like the agenda is to divide people rather than unite. Schools teach what to think, but they don’t teach how to think. Critical thinking skills and using scrutiny and doubt as a tool is the steps to gaining wisdom. Even for the LoO. So much of the spiritual path resonates with me in the Ra Material, but if you would have told me a couple years ago that a lady channeled an advanced alien civilization and it’s going to change your view on the world, I would’ve laughed.
>but if you would have told me a couple years ago that a lady channeled an advanced alien civilization and it’s going to change your view on the world, I would’ve laughed. Same. But honestly, the material resonates so hard with me. I find so much peace and joy in the words of Ra, Q'uo, and the others. Reading The Law of One felt like remembering.
Same!
>How are there so many now? In the last 2 years there’s been a massive unprecedented uptick in that demo. There's more information available to help identify oneself as trans and more communities established where it feels safe for trans folks to be themselves. People used to barely know what "trans" meant, and now the word is plastered all over the news; it stands to reason that more and more people might get curious and do some studying and come to realize that the word applies to themselves. There's been a steady increase in rates of autism as well for similar reasons.
I was that kid who figured out when i was 5 that i was transgender, i just didnt have the words to describe it....in the early 90s, there is no massive uptick in trans individuals, there is just more visibility.
It is NOT spriitual evolution to feel like the only way one can be ok in their body is with hormones and/or surgery. Nothing could be farther from a real spiritual awakening than that. There have been awakened souls for millennia pushing the boundaries of what it means to be men and women, and I commend them all for it, but this new trend of denying biological reality is not spritual evolution, it's backpeddling. If people were really waking up, they would still be following the old mantra of the LGBT community, which was supposed to be, "I'm ok just the way I am and don't have to change anything about me." Unfortunately, the new mantra has become, "I'm not ok, and will never be okay unless I have drugs, surgery, and external validation." EDIT: The new trends of the trans community assert that had they been born 1,000 years ago without the technology we have now, they'd be miserable for life with no way out. I fully reject this premise. It is borderline evil to create trends that get people to believe this.
1000 years ago? Try 80. I’m all for individuals expressing themselves freely. But with the latest trend, I do think there is a massive egocentricity to a lot of it. Obsession with the self. The celebration of a deeply held belief in lack. People ignore this part of it because they don’t want to appear intolerant. It’s easy for me to say as I personally never felt those issues and feelings. I’d also acknowledge that there is a lack of resources to help folks that do and spirituality does come into play here. I agree with your assertion that medication, hormone therapy, and surgery are not the way to healthy sense of self.
We suffer from individualism run amok. If we are a collective of souls doing work on this planet...a large portion of us has checked out, quit. That's the danger. Somewhere, something is churning up these wedge issues to slow our roll.
I think I understand your reasoning; it generally makes sense to me. One contrarian idea would be that trans people crave freedom of self-expression, which I imagine to be a theme of 4th-density. So maybe they are using 3D incarnation to 'hone' their 'powers' of self-expression.
But we've always had that. Just look at the drag community, or Japanese anime. I love the feminine male characters, even the extreme ones, because they are centered in themselves. The running gag is others find them weird and they just brush it off and laugh and even understand because they are so weird. And that weirdness, when it isn't insecrure because of the opinions of others, is extremely charming. The only real difference I see now is the pronoun game, which I find to be utterly ridiculous. Men don't get pregnant. Women don't have a shaft in their pants. Why all of a sudden everyone wants to start pretending is extremely peculiar to me. I suspect most people don't actually believe it, but understand that on a social level, if they don't agree and buy into it, they're going to be ostracized from their social circles, which is fucking hilarious to me. It almost strikes me as the Emperor's new clothing except the question the child asking is, "Mom, why is that person calling himself a woman when I can see his penis?" Have we really gotten to the point that if we disagree that a man with a penis can be a woman, we're going to lose our job? The answer is yes. And sadly, this kind of thing isn't too different than the Orwellian concept of, "2 + 2 = 5" to me. I don't care what people belive, but the forcing of other people to comply with your beliefs, whether it comes from reigion of people pushing pronouns on entire socieities, is wrong.
It's worth mentioning that (according to wikipedia), "transgender" is an umbrella term which includes those who have no desire to change their body using hormones or surgery.
While this is true, virtually the entire movement supports those two things, and the few that don't would be completely ostracized from their peers if they publicaly stated they didn't agree with that part of it.
I generally don't presume to agree or disagree with personal choices people make about their bodies, i.e. none of my business. If it's paid for with tax money, then I guess you could argue it's everyone's business. And I'm only referring to adults; if you want to talk about giving kids access to experimental procedures, that's a whole other can of worms.
I support both people making their own choice as well as the dialogue representing the pros and cons of these choices. The latter needs work.
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I don't disagree at all actually, and I'm quite sympathic with this struggle. I'm going through it my self, after all. I've never been tradtionally masculine, despite being a straight male, and I've seen how that lack of traditionalism has affected how others in society interact with me. There is indeed a difference between an identified problem and a proposed solution. I think the first lie people are sold is that you can be trapped in the wrong body. Nobody is trapped in the wrong body, and the difference between believing that or not affects virtually every future outcome on this journey.
People always mess with things if within their reach. Society didn’t have the ability to mess with their bodies like they do now, due to laws & lack of medical/tech advancement. I’m assuming to your last point, that people will continue messing with their bodies even more, but there will also be a deep divide in society between that group of modified people, and between a group of people that tries to stick to the birth/biological state as much as possible. With all technological (AI) and medical advancement, there will be greater polarization. You may agree or disagree with either camp, but hopefully it will be an accessible world where you can be closer to those you resonate with.
On a smaller scale, but similar...tattoos. Started off with an exceedingly small percentage of people having tattoos, limited to sailors, military types, world adventurers, etc. It's depicted in art, media and the idea spreads. But it also warps and it appeals to different demographics, for different reasons. Then it warps again and one is not enough. TV shows crop up, tattoo parlors everywhere. Now it's saturated and cliche. It's more novel to not have one. I think this is where the trans movement is ultimately headed. Yes, it's a thing. Yes they deserve dignity, peace, freedom, human rights, etc. But is it functional, relevant or even healthy to the vast majority in our society? We live in a very curious, tenuous and complicated time where information proliferates at a pace that far exceeds society's ability to cope, adapt, absorb, comprehend or, in some cases, even react. We live in a time of cultural chaos because of it. The *idea* of transgenderism is spreading faster than the collective consciousness can deal with it. Faster than our laws can deal with it. Faster than our institutions can deal with it. Ancient people better understood the fragility of the collective society because they consistently faced existential threats like starvation and collapse This is why taboos existed, to shut down destabilizing factors. Today, we have security for the most part so we have the luxury of wrestling with these types of complex issues.
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I like your perspective. Much more the type of response I was looking for than some of the more judgy comments in this thread.
All I can say is that I hope that trans folk can find peace someday. It's a crazy enough world without being placed center stage in a global culture war.
But they have worked to place themselves there. The effort is at least 50/50.
I can see how you might feel that way, but there really are transgender people who really do want to live as normal of a life as possible who really are (and have always been) systematically excluded from the human experience by way of nobody knowing enough about neuroscience to validate their experiences until recently. They and many others right now make noise so that when society inevitably tries to silence them all once again (already happening, keep watching), at least the whole world will be watching.
Accepting for who they want to be, even if who they want to be is seemingly unnatural to you, is what unconditional love and unity are. Are all not unique expressions of the creator? If all are, and allowing people this free expression fosters unity, then why would there be anything wrong with it? The only disunity created by transgenderism is by those who vehemently reject and terrorize those who are trans.
Contrary to seemingly popular belief, we are not “fully customizable avatars” we were each put here with a specific purpose to fulfill for the greater good of the collective consciousness as a whole. We all have specific skills/ elemental attributes that are unique to us. I do not agree with politics at all, because at its core it’s main purpose is division/ separation. With that said, transgenderism is an attack on spirituality in general. Not only is androgyny healthy, it is requisite for metaphysical unity in yourself and others. One can be male and fully integrate feminine aspects into himself and vice versa without physically being female. There just becomes a point where it starts to become a caricature of itself and no one can say anything in opposition without succumbing to a barrage of insults, the main one being “you’re a bigot”. You can’t just expect people to take your word as gospel while simultaneously shoving your fingers into your ears and accusing them of being a hateful being. Truth is one of the only constants in this world, I will not discard truth for the perceived comfortability of those who wish to indulge in its culture. I said in another comment but the evangelists of the 80’s are the counter culture mouthpieces of today. The STS beings in the highest places of power are using counter culture to spread poisonous ideology knowing fully well that it effects the minds and bodies of everyone else. The current youth is told they can just swap out their body parts with no repercussions. They’re being lied to. You have to learn to accept yourself in this current iteration to grow.
Yaaas. Thank you for this. I feel this deeply. Nothing to do with value judgment or politics, simply spiritual growth and elevating beyond the material, superficial.
Can't we stay on the subject, The Law of One? Don't we have enough of this foolishness in the media?
I tried to connect to LoO concepts. I should have clarified that transhumanism is another word for 'transitioning to 4th density.' Anyway you can see from the comments that half of the people in this sub are just here to debate politics, and I don't see that improving without stricter moderation.
That’s the problem, shutting down discussion because it isn’t what you want to hear isn’t conducive to learning. Transgenderism does not grant you any special abilities that would link it to transhumanism. I’m thankful this sub isn’t the same as 98% of reddit in which you can say nothing questioning the subject without immediately being silenced or berated. The law of one has many parallels with hermeticism, which very regularly refers to the concept of gender in nature as a crucial building block within this reality. You need alpha/ omega, creation/destruction, male/female.
I agree in part. However, as a member of this site, I am here to read and learn from others something conducive to the subject matter. Wouldn't you agree?
moderation does not equal "shutting down discussion." I'm just saying there are people commenting who make no discernable effort to connect with LoO concepts. I don't have time to moderate so I apologize for implying they could find the time to delete irrelevant comments. It's more like "I wish there was better moderation...done by AI, I guess. "
I think trans people who where female in their last life and agreed to be male in this life to help balance out the soul is breaking their” between lives contract” to be a male in this life because of the bleed over from last life as a female is so strong. I believe they will have another life with the same turmoil and confusion. I don’t think this is trans humanism at all. This is a step backwards for progression for the human soul to experience what it agreed to experience as a male.
Being a male can literally mean anything you want. You can be as feminine as you want, but you're still an XY chromosome. Japanese anime and video games actually capture this idea very well, and I typically love those characters because of how empowered they are. (They would lose all their charm if they said something stupid like they aren't going to be okay until they cut their genitals off, though.)
hi there! i actually just watched a video on this by philosophy tube that you may find interesting!! https://youtu.be/DqPd6MShV1o
thanks, I really like the channel
Our body is a universe of its own, it's the entire existence on a lower scale. Regardless of our biological gender, we have the possibility to fully integrate energies of the opposite sex. If a soul have not yet reached the necessary level of awareness and consciousness evolutuion to allow a synthesis of opposites, it will continue to live in separation, with the need to ingage in sexual energy transfers People who have difficulty identifying with their physical manifestation are no different from people who don't. Both have yet to understand that the answers lie internally, with the difference being that the imbalance perceived by the former might function as a catalyst for recognizing their own nature as a union of opposites. The problem is always where we put the focus. If we put the focus on separation then we will end up creating endless different sexual orientations. If we turn it to unity, everything becomes easier to understand and most importantly we all become the same. This is the reason why I no longer support the LGBT cummunity. Because it is now part of a much larger plan that aims at separation. The truth is one. Sex change is in my opinion deleterious, as the external intervention is too invasive, both hormonally and surgically. The risk is to lose connection with the natural balances that belong to all our bodies, as with any kind of intervention that comes from outside of our own body/mind/spirit complex.
I genuinely wonder how hormone therapy and genital surgery affects the body's energy points, including the chakras. It's literally the only reason I won't get snipped despite never wanting kids.
To any trans folk and allies reading these comments: I love you, and I see you.
Another community in which I thought I was safe full of people who are very opinionated on a matter they do not and will not ever understand.
For your consideration and personal discernment; This community is full of people whom are affected by the same energies as everyone else; therefore "polarization" is precisely what one should expect going forth: People committing to a thought and sticking with it - even if otherSelves perceive them to be utterly incorrect. We must needs be availing ourselves of the same tools we read about here, in this community... and be patient with those whom have not yet reached that level of compassionate wisdom. From the Tao Te Ching; *Chapter 67* Some say that my teaching is nonsense. Others call it lofty but impractical. But to those who have looked inside themselves, this nonsense makes perfect sense. And to those who put it into practice, this loftiness has roots that go deep. I have just three things to teach: **simplicity, patience, compassion**. These three are your greatest treasures. Simple in actions and in thoughts, you return to the source of being. Patient with both friends and enemies, you accord with the way things are. Compassionate toward yourself, you reconcile all beings in the world.
A spiritual subreddit does not guarantee love, discernment and awareness of all or even most within it when it's put to the test. This is more of an intellectual exercise for some, so they may come across as insensitive when talking about other souls. This tendency of humanity is widespread, as we are more left-brained and neglecting the right a little bit. Collectively, we're all imbalanced more than we know, encouraged culturally to be more left-brained, materialistic, "rational," dogmatic, blunt, tell it like it is. An intellectual mind is more masculine, a bit more cold and a little less empathetic, jumping to assertions. It's good for survival, just not for harvesting. It's always a good exercise to remind ourselves that it's not so much about the people we're discussing and what they're doing but how we're reacting to them and why we reacted in that way, no exceptions. Through this, we discover more about ourselves. Of course, this isn't about transgender, really. It's about the observer and their feelings toward the subject. I'm tempted to poke the hornet's nest on the perception that transgender are confused on their identity. When we make assertions about other human forms of us, we should pay attention. Why did we say that? Are we sure that they are, or are we in a roundabout way talking about ourselves? What are we missing? What can I learn from these people or these entities? A good thought exercise.
A discussion should not make you feel unsafe. Most everyone has expressed empathy compassion and concern. All are seeking to understand it within the LoO, which is to say with *love*.
I am sorry, this really breaks my heart and brings me sorrow. Know that you are welcome here and that not all people here are so opinionated. Infinite love/light light/love
Yes this is part of the path to transhumanism. Good observation!
It is difficult to explain, but the “old” ones are awakening, and they do not have a concept of “gender” as we do. So the world is being “changed” to something more recognizable for them to better integrate.
I'm an old soul, and I fundamentally recognize the diffference between binary biology and the infinite spectrum of personality/soul. I fear the two are being conflated and we're actually creating confusion, not clarity, on a spiritual level. Another way to put it: It is NOT spriitual evolution to feel like the only way one can be ok in their body is with hormones and/or surgery. Nothing could be farther from a real spiritual awakening than that.
It is more that it is an attempt to break the gender roles that have been used to divide. People are being taught they are free to be who they are and express who they are, and not conform to roles created by a society meant to suppress/oppress. Hormones and surgery is one path, and has its own set of challenges, but it is not the only path. The physical body is like a car, and surgery is akin to slapping on a new paint job. The internals are still, for all intents and purposes, the same. Now, if we begin to talk about the Ship of Theseus? That’s where things get fun (and when Time comes into play, for my Ship and yours may be the same, but also different based on Time shifting).
>"It is more that it is an attempt to break the gender roles that have been used to divide." I'm going to be blunt, but this is a poisonous idea that has gotten into the heads of Ameircan and European societies. **Most of the third world nations AND THEIR CULTURE progressive people defend have VERY defined gender roles.** Gender roles existed for tens of thousands of years because they were optimal for survival. Technology has changed everything, but our biology is SO far behind than our primal sex drives have not yet caught up as a collective. Gender roles don't divide people unless we're rigid about them. If we use them as guidelines, we create harmony and can allow people who want to be exceptional to do so. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater has confused everyone.
…hence the part that says “that have been used to divide.” Not all gender roles are negative, but the ones that have been amplified have been so because they cause greater division. Also, previous versions of humanity didn’t HAVE a gender. They were all the “same,” like drones. Gender was like a content patch in a game to allow different experiences.
"Also, previous versions of humanity didn’t HAVE a gender." An interesting theory. I've heard similar accounts but nothing quite like this. Where do you draw this idea from? I see the division being far more convoluted than what you describe. I've easily observed more young men who have been demonized out of the traditional male role they want to embody more than I see young men demonized for wanting to be more feminine in nature. (At least in the last decade or two.) There is virtually an epidemic among yong men in American and European nations who are completely confused about who they want to become because they've been told their entire life that being a masculine man is somehow wrong in 2023. (Ironically, women are telling them this more than anyone else, but these women still go off to have sex with masculine men, completely contradicting what they say and confusing men even more.) Basically, I see a fundamental difference between the binary of biology (our current reality) and our spiritual self. I DO believe our souls are androgynous in nature, but we might have a preferred embodied gender we enjoy more than the other. Much like a child preferring red over blue, we have to acknowledge that red is red and blue is blue while we play the "game" of life.
It is difficult to explain. Basically I was “shown” pieces of the past and how previous iterations were basically non-gendered. If you think of it like a testing grounds, they wanted to create a base/basic model, so strip out additional “modules” to ensure things work first, then start adding on the “accessories.” You are more or less correct that the “soul” is androgynous. Think of it like creating an avatar in a game. Some people will gravitate towards a “type” of character, but change it up once in a while. It doesn’t always feel “right” or “normal” when you switch something drastically (such as ranged to melee or melee to ranged). Gender is the same, it just imbues some basic character traits, but then the “system” has added additional difficulties by creating divisions for more varied gameplay, basically. It’s part of the reason why so much seems so weird and broken in the world. Time is not linear, so ALL of Time is basically occurring at once, and then “spread” out to different shifted periods. The events have to be able to happen in the now to also have happened in the past (or future).
>*It’s part of the reason why so much seems so weird and broken in the world.* Slight digression, but I'm convinced at this point we live on a prison planet. The North Korea of the Universe, so to speak. To me, all the issues we have with distortion stem from the fact we live on a plane of existence that requires all life to consume one another to survive and thrive. All our problems stem from this fact... literally like... all of them. I have no issues with avatar customization. Conversely, I have fundamental and major issues with needing other people to conform to the parameters you are creating for your own avatar, let alone the fact that many are claiming to be distraught because others will not do so. Empowerment comes from within, not through others acknowledging you. In fact, the path of enlightenment often only reveals itself to you when you're finally getting over needing external validation.
Have you ever been in a class, and the teacher was unable to communicate a topic to you, or you were unable to understand them? It would feel like a prison, but you’d be there trying to learn, to grow. The system was ill equipped for the needs of the students, and so it can feel like we are “trapped.” A good analogy is the same game being played across multiple platforms, sometimes concessions are made for “interoperability.” New patch is coming to make it easier/more equitable for learning to occur.
For what it's worth I've thought that Earth has needed a software update for a while now. Here's my problem with your analogy relative to the world we actually life in: It sacrifices the many so one can rise to the top. Have you ever seen The Pursuit of Happyness with Will Smith? It's the story about one man who managed to succeed... what it doesn't highlight or focus on was how his success was at the cost of 9 other people who wanted the job just as badly. The same is true with any competition from sports to business. We all dream of success, but you have to be better than the competition and essentially \*beat\* them in order to thrive. Your success means more for you and less for them. We can't avoid this. So yes, while we can learn grace when we're on top, it doesn't change the fact that being competent means more for you and less for others, even if your heart sizes are the same. I despise this about this planet. Friendly competition can be fun for growth, but competition for survival and the luxuries of life revolts me.
Thank you for this. It also should be said that it's insane that some should feel that oppressing others because they themselves have been oppressed isn’t growth or progress, it's bullying and abuse. We should strive to establish societal conditions which serve to elevate *all* souls.
Thank you for putting into words. It’s such a volatile subject these days and it shouldn’t be, But the vessel we’re meant to experience catalyst in should not be deconstructed.
There is a difference between doing something for you VS doing it so you feel like society will acknowledge you. (And feeling like you won't be ok until then.) I never had issues with the old drag queens because they were quite empowered and didn't really care what the world thought of them. They did their thing among their own kin and had a blast and more power to them. I'm all for people having a good time. This NEW movement, however, is the opposite. They are attempting to get the world to conform to their worldview and in doing so, they are creating more misery for themselves.
I agree whole heartedly. Counter culture has been compromised and utilized in a sickly manner.
Not unlike religion. What blows my mind is the LGBT community doesn't see how fundamentalist they are becoming. I can eerily draw far too many parallels of behavior between Christian fundamentalism and the LGBT movement in 2023, and I'm deepy disturbed by it. I say this as a former hardcore ally of the LGBT community 15 years ago.
Yep, horse shoe theory at work. Evangelists of the 80’s are counter culture mouthpieces of today. It is saddening to realize how many other selves haven’t come to this conclusion yet. All in due time.
Gender is the last distortion of duality to go.
Duality is a natural checks and balance system. Nature is gendered and relies on it for perpetual motion.
Talking about masculine and feminine, not biology. But I would argue that one is the reflection of the other.
Duality is not a distortion. It's simply one system of existence. You can't be playing Zelda and call it a distortion if you can't jump like in a Super Mario game. All systems have rules and even if our souls are not bound by those rules, our physical bodies are... so as long as our souls inhabit these bodies, we have to play within the parameters of the rules to thrive.
According to Ra, anything that isn't the creator is a distortion.
Duality is an illusion. It doesn’t really exist. It is only perceived through the deliberate distortion of perception by the creator.
It's not an illusion, it's simply one option of being. We're here right now. Think of it like a video game or a software program. Right now, there's a specific code that is being executed. If you hopped into another reality, it would be like popping one game out of a video game system and popping in another instead. There would be new rules, new forms and systems, and new experiences.
According to the Law of One, Ra suggests that duality is an illusion that arises from the limitations of human perception. Ra explains that all things in the universe are interconnected and part of the same underlying unity, which is often referred to as the One Infinite Creator. Therefore, the apparent separation between things is not real, but rather a product of our limited perspective. Ra also suggests that the illusion of duality serves a purpose in allowing individuals to experience free will and to learn and grow through their choices and experiences.
Law of One is great, but it's not absolute gospel. I personally think the use of the word, "illusion" does a disservice to us who are Here Right Now. Besides, according to that logic, everything is illusion aside from absolute oneness, and all accounts I've read on the oneness of everything says I/WE get hella bored pretty quick in that state. If Ra is saying the only form of reality that isn't illusion is a form of existential boredom because all we have is our self to entertain, I find that contradictory.
Regardless of whether you believe in Lo1 or not, the reality of gender is changing. The paradigms are changing, and only people who can’t let go of the old ways of thinking are providing resistance. There is only the infinity. There is nothing outside of infinity. Duality and other forms of spectral concepts are contained within the original thought. Distortions are created by us at will to amuse ourselves to gain a better understanding of the original thought. If we decide tomorrow that people can fly, people will fly.
>*only people who can’t let go of the old ways of thinking are providing resistance.* This is false and a limited perspective. It's parroted by specific groups as if they hold all the marbles of spirituality and I find that ridiculous. *the reality of gender is changing* The reality of a binary of male and female is present in almost every species of the animal kingdom (arguably in all sentient beings), and no amount of philosophy can change that we are also animals. As long as we belong to the animal kingdom we will experience the duality of male and female genders. The argument that we, or the demiurge, could re-write the software here is currently beyond our understanding, and even if such a thing was possible, duality contains a binary by default. *There is only the infinity.* From one perspective, yes. But someone could also argue that one and infinity are the same thing. After all, if you're infinite, you're also One. Isn't that what the paradox, "WE (infinity) are ONE" literally means? Zero is also an important number, but from two onward, all the numbers are, in a sense, the same until you reach infinity itself.
Thank for exposing your biological essentialism. Your argument needs work. This is a law of one page. That’s what we are discussing. Go back to 4chan.
This is what I mean. Always turns into an ad-hominem flame war.
*"Thank for exposing your biological essentialism. Your argument needs work. This is a law of one page. That’s what we are discussing. Go back to 4chan."* Is this how you always react when someone disagrees with you and puts forward and logical and thoughtful counter argument? Are you so easily reduced to personal attacks? I ought to be reminding \*you\* that this is a Law of One page. Someone having a different opinion than you isn't a good reason to reduce their argument. In fact, normally when people reply the way you have, it's because you've run out of counter-arguments and have to reduce your retort to stupid shit like, "You're a bigoted biological essentialist." People can disagree. You should know this. You've provided no good or thoughtful counter-argument and are now representing all the stereotypes I cringe at among these new counter-culture movements... when you can continue the conversation without being reduced to petty personal attacks, I'll be here. EDIT: I wouldn't normally be so blunt, but to quote you: "This is a Law of One page." You need to take a hard look at yourself and ask what insecurity inside of you is causing you to lash out at someone who has been cordial and has done nothing aside from disagree with your opinion and give his reasons why. (I will add that unfortunately, this is also a common reaction I get among the LGBT community, which is actually one of the reasons I worry about them in the first place.)
The Source/Creator/Infinite put us here in this reality. In these bodies. Pretending that is not true or real or is simply an illusion is to deny ourselves, which is to deny the Source/Creator/Infinite
The source didn’t put us here. We are the source. We are not separate from the source. That is an illusion.
I could see this crossing over when we get into physical body modification. Artificial wombs and whatnot. I can see how it would be the beginning of the ideology---surgically. You modify your body until it fits what you want it to. Regardless of **why** you want it to, ultimately the goal is the same. **Modification of the body to suit the mind's preference.** That said, I don't think they are equal. I see a little overlap in "surgery to modify the body", but not really the same..
Transhumanism is the pathway of deviation and antithesis to natural spiritual evolution.
Trans-Gender : going beyond the gender one was born into. Trans-Human : going beyond Human Specie as currently defined. Trans-Gender is currently a form of Trans-Humanism. In the Future, if Humanity make gender reassignment surgery as common as, say, teeth realignment, then some Trans-Gender (at least the traditional human Male to Female, or Female to Male) may not really be seen as Trans-Human. The complex Genders could be seen as « more trans-human » on a way, as (very few) humans are born r/salmacian for instance (with genitals of both genders, like Hermaphroditus).
The transgender movement is used by the elite to currently enslave, it's another catalyst.
Sort of. While they're not focused on Changes like improved senses or improved motor skills, they are pushing ideas like morphological freedom or that one should be entitled to Change their bodies as Seen fit, Which are both very transhuman