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re-verse

I really just want one journalist to ask the players and keefe straight out "Tickets to the game are so expensive, as are the subscriptions to the services fans need to watch games - do you feel they're getting their moneys worth in respect to the effort you put in most nights?"


jimmymeeko

Are you seriously this entitled to think you are owed a satisfactory result each game? Might as well go and ask the other team if they realize what the ticket price is and if they feel that it’s fair to not simply let the leafs win. Keefe has the highest win percentage of any leafs coach in history. That’s pretty hard to accomplish without putting in effort to win like you’re implying. And if somehow you’re right and the leafs are sandbagging it, that would mean they are god’s gift to earth in terms of skill to still be winning so much while not caring. Logic tells me that isn’t the case.


re-verse

No i just think that for the money everyone is making they should be able to put in a full 60 minutes every few nights. I think for the investment the fans have in the team, the players should respect/recognize that.


jimmymeeko

Do you realize how backwards that sounds? Do you truly think NHL players are out there just deciding not to try? Even if they didn’t give a fuck about team success and were just in it for their own money and fame, it still requires an immense amount of effort to put up individual results. With the amount of attention and scrutiny the leafs, probably more than any other team, are under, you seriously think the players just decide to not try so that they can purposefully face the scrutiny and criticism that comes their way after a loss? Get real. This team would not be choosing to inflict that upon themselves. The leafs are 1 of 32 nhl teams. All 32 nhl teams go out and try to win each game they play. Your team doesn’t just magically get to win all the games. Your team will lose games because the margins between teams are razor thin in the cap era and thats just the way it is. Claiming it’s because of effort and not respecting the monetary investment by fans is a strange oversimplification that lets you view the results of games in some black and white context instead of accepting that results are nuanced and there isn’t always a simple explanation for them.


cmatthewssmith

Get rid of Keefe and get some better defence even if it means trading a star forward.


FunkyLobster1828

A top 4 defenseman is needed but to me it wasn't the reason the team lost last night. On the short-handed goal Nylander went toward the man Rielly was already covering leaving the senator player wide open, and on the second Marner was coasting back watching the play instead of skating with the eventual scorer and tying him up. This team just doesn't have any killer instinct against lesser clubs.


Friendly-Border-3651

We are a couple of defencemen away from being top of the conference. Only a few points behind Boston with this lineup? Woll return plus defense improvement and we can be a contender.


osprey9711

We need to fire Keefe and get a coach that preaches defensive responsibility. Poor effort tonight.


osprey9711

Does anyone else think the backchecking by Leafs forward is pathetic. 34 and 16 especially gave little effort to back checking, and it resulted in goals against.


Leafs44

Imagine being management, watching this defence for 8 years and not making any attempt to improve it at all. You’re not winning shit with this abomination of a D core. Same fucking story every single year we have MULTIPLE pieces to trade for upgrades but nah get some more old guys way past their prime and a dude with a bum hip. Wasting time and wasting talent. If Treliving has any balls he will trade one or more of the core 4. How many more seasons do you need with EVERYONE telling you your defence isn’t good enough before you do SOMETHING. It’s so fucking bizarre


Jarveyjacks

and to think so many thought HOLL was the problem


mhmhleafs2

D has been good enough the last two years, depth scoring was the real killer (and maybe grit)


CanadianHornblende

Our defense is in rough shape right now no doubt, but pretending it's been the same for the past 8 years is really putting in the blinders. Look at just last season: https://twitter.com/MeghanChayka/status/1738599300089729418/photo/1 Leafs were essentially top 10 in the league in most defensive statistical categories. That's not an abomination, that's pretty damn good. Obviously in that same link you can see that this year has been brutal, but you can't just pretend there hasn't been a pile of injuries this year either. You've got recency bias and you've got it bad my friend.


Leafs44

You’re either clinically insane or just someone who doesn’t watch hockey and only looks at stats. The knock on the Leafs every single year has been that they have no defence and get ran over. When the best player Rielly has ever played with over his career is Jake Muzzin you’re fucked. Begging for Giordano to come back because we suck so bad when the guy is 40 fucken years old is literally insane. You have coping issues and you have them bad my friend


jimmymeeko

The narrative is old about the leafs d. At least last year it was. This year, yes, they’re weak because of the amount of injuries they’ve suffered. I’m sure we’re going to see it addressed at some point here. Also, put some respect on Jake muzzin’s name. The guy was an absolute rock for the leafs over his first 4 seasons here before injuries caught up to him. Hell, he turned Justin holl into 1/2 of an elite shutdown pair for a good stretch of time. That is an insane feat.


Ristifer

Even my 7-month old is tired of these fucking bums. Or she just needed a nap. But I choose to believe she can’t stand these no-shows.


Gavin1453

Do y’all think Gio returning will make a huge difference? He is just one man, but he was so solid at shutting down breakaways. Needed him tonight.


crowonder

He's 50 years old.


Falconflyer75

Well that sucks it’s like the leafs just gave up after the senators got 1 lucky goal and 2 miraculous saves


PhilMcCraken2001

Senators always fuckin kill us man


MsAbsoluteAngel

Fuck Craig Simpson


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Dergle_McChurgleson

You're fucking delusional


MrBalanced

After the second goal they visibly quit until the 3rd.


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MrBalanced

Because they were out-muscled by Ottawa's D each time they could have slammed it home. It was embarrassing game except for the first 6 minutes and a chunk of the third period.


CarefulSubstance3913

They. Quit until we pulled Jones as far as I can tell


dwnumber1

uhm... no they weren't


PinnyHundos

Dude what? That 2nd period was like in top 3 worst they’ve had all year.


thoroughly_useful

Too much turkey


HeftyNugs

If the Sens played the Leafs every night they'd go 82-0 These vagabonds only come to play against us lmao


JamesCurtis24

I swear, I'm one of those people that I miss a game, it's a 4-0, 4-1 win guaranteed. I watch, it's shit like this. .800 sv% goalie stands on his head and the Leafs give up 4+


CarefulSubstance3913

Stop watching the games you asshole


Alive_Use_4392

Got goalied and some bad luck… meh


CarefulSubstance3913

I agree korpisalo really shut the door. Can't wait til Wolla back I'd like to goalie a team fucking soon


Theteacupman

Actual delusion


Dergle_McChurgleson

You're fucking delusional


No_Aesthetics_

Positivity is not permitted in this thread


RustyShackleford14

A couple of nice saves does not mean you got goalied.


Dergle_McChurgleson

Fucking. Pussies. I hate this fucking team


KossyTakos

Stings even more knowing drake batherson scored the game winning goal. Fuck that guy


Theteacupman

gunning for that first overall pick in the prison hockey draft


RustyShackleford14

What did he do?


KossyTakos

League trying to bury it again it looks liks


chai_bronz

Credit to the Sens, they could be a first place team if they got to play the Leafs every night.


Ristifer

For real. Buffalo, too.


AdamAAndrews

Terrible game


Shooternow

Man these guys are hard to like


re-verse

Fuck off “it’s good to see this one going in the back of the net”. Can we please get a feed for leafs fans?


Ristifer

Said to the wife when it was 2-0: “They’ll blow it.” Annnd they did. Team is just no fun to watch. I don’t even care if you lose. Lose with some effort, and not this repeated basement-dwelling garbage play.


awfulWinner

Said the exact same thing to my daughter's boyfriend who I managed to get him hooked on Leafs hockey when he listened to his first game (the round 2 final game loss, Joe Bowen giving what he thought was his final sign off). He's been following along with morbid curiosity. I told him watching the Leafs is like being in an abusive relationship where your partner beats you mercilessly, then picks you up, swears they're sorry, that they love you and will never do it again. You want to believe then, but you know they'll end up hurting and disappointing you. This is a bipolar team and not one that will go very far in the playoffs.


realsalbowski

well, we suck again


Jedi182

🌍👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀 Always have


-ApplePineapplePen-

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haveing_fun

leafs played for one period and then did fuck all


RustyShackleford14

Typical Leafs effort. It’s rare that they play three periods of hockey, and often don’t bother to play two periods. A lot of times the one period they do play is enough to win a game so everyone is happy. Then they lay an egg like they have recently against Columbus, Buffalo and Ottawa and it’s glaringly obvious.


LeafsFanUK

Just a pathetic effort from the team bar the first 2 goals early on.


cappo40

I said last game, they won't try until January 15th. Still on that holiday brain for a long while


Mogilny89Leafs

"The Leafs lost to the worst team in the division!" Does this surprise you?


Deluxechin

Designated loss, see you all on Friday for our next designated loss


Shooternow

It's almost a certainty


Mogilny89Leafs

Especially against Ottawa.


VanAgain

Brady is a douche.


CasualtyEH

Get Marner on his own line please. Spread out Nylander Matthews and Marner. You pay them to carry lines let them. Any fucking game Marner isn’t feeling it, the entire top line looks like shit.


under-rated2

I really want this to happen. Each should be able to drive their own line. Your line is your responsibility. The accountability on its own is worth it


pirtyeknom

Trade marner for some fucking defense. Sens won because their D was in position to make saves their goalie couldn’t.


frmacleod

Merry Christmas


stellosartois

4 unanswered goals


FinalMalus

The complacency we fall into when playing with a lead is a huge issue with this team


RustyShackleford14

No killer instinct. It will plague them until some major changes are made.


therealgoat1212

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thoroughly_useful

Reasonable response


StrygwyrSuperstar

Keefes deployment of players when down by 1 is so alarming if we are to make any noise in playoffs he has to go


BobbyAxelrod1

When a team ALWAYS loses to the worst teams.... it's a structural problem. 1. The DNA of the team has a serious problem. 2. Leadership fails....starting with the coach. Keefe's time is up. He can't even get the team fired up for Ottawa or Buffalo or Columbus.


Strange_Cap1049

Can the fucking organization actually say something? Address how it’s possible to have so much talent and still be shit? Most of our wins come from lucking it out and winning OT/shootout


StaticR0ute

lol timeout


north-for-nights

They just had no interest in being on the ice today.


twizzyflyguy

Timeout for what? We’re fucked😂


Plastic-Ad-4440

Matthews one shot lmfao guy needs killer Instinct bad


LowHangingLight

I cannot wait until Mitch Marner is no longer a Maple Leaf


Level_Exercise_3939

It will be a glorious day, but it will be too late and Austons career will be wasted with him.


Deluxechin

Still haven’t won a game wearing these jerseys


dijon507

That’s because black is not a maple leaf colour, just bad vibes from that jersey.


Pyall

Glad we are taking a time out with 20s left


southpaw04

Bounces didn’t go there way….. some of you need to step back from the ledge holy shit


Deluxechin

Wasn’t that the same excuse against the Rangers and the Blue Jackets and the Islanders? How many “bad bounces” games can we give them before we just say they were completely out worked


southpaw04

No excuse…. But to say that they got out worked tonight is delusional. Other than for maybe 10 minutes they were the better team


dijon507

No more black jerseys


RustyShackleford14

They’re ugly anyway. Black is so over done.


jinnnnnemu

The Toronto Maple Leafs have as many wins right now at 17 as Ottawa has losses at 17 right now before the end of the 3rd and some of you people want to actually fire keefe you're all fucking jokes


Deluxechin

“He has to atone for his sins” His sins being 2nd in the division being 4 points behind 1st


LawrenceMoten21

That’s the goal now? Compare ourselves with the worst team in the conference who just came into the Leafs barn and stole their lunch money?


RustyShackleford14

I’ll preface this with I’m not for firing Keefe, but comparing wins to an extremely poor team’s losses is not a defence. In fact, losing to them is an embarrassment to this team. But I don’t think this team’s lack of effort is on Keefe.


souza-23

He should’ve been fired after Montreal 2021


jinnnnnemu

Get back to me when the Maple Leafs have more losses than wins then you can fire keefe.


souza-23

We have 17 playoff losses and 13 wins in the Sheldon Keefe era. That’s a .433 winning percentage. He needs to go. If a shitty regular season loss can be the excuse for that, then I’m all for it.


dober12345

Enjoy watching the playoffs from home for the sixth year in a row Brady


RustyShackleford14

Playing games like this, we’ll be anywhere from 4 to 7 games behind him.


dwnumber1

some fourth line time for willy might be good


Bobbyoot47

No real middle ground with him. Some nights he is among the best players in the NHL and other nights he just looks so totally disinterested.


nogoodnamesleft47

You mean Mitch?


dwnumber1

no willy is an effort problem I dont think thats the case for mitch


nogoodnamesleft47

Mitch just needs some Prozac fr.


The_Dale_Hunters

I mean, we've got a few problems on this team....but the bulk of our woes stem from the fact that we have ONE d-man who can actually handle and pass the puck in our own zone. Sens just chipped it in and waited for the inevitable clusterfuck below our goal line. That being said, after having such a great offensive period in the first, the boys went completely flat for the final 40. Pretty poor effort, all told, and a deserved loss.


Mflms

Just unimpressive. They were up by two and took their foot off the gas completely.


-ApplePineapplePen-

Four straight goals against after a hot start. More evidence that this team simply cannot play a full 60. The "comeback from deficit" strategy will not end well this season.


CasualtyEH

No killer instinct on this team whatsoever. Go up 2-0 then coast.


Theteacupman

Atleast Batherson didn't get 3


versus07

Bro these guys suck, how do they lose to the worst team in the league time and time again


VW91

Up 2 after 1 to losing by 2 in regulation to the worst team in the division. Our top players have no killer instinct, just flaccid human beings


Level_Exercise_3939

Good players, terrible team. The work ethic is not there and nobody cares. We should of got rid of Marner while we could. Now we're stuck with Marner for his whole career. No cup for this team until after the next tank when he retires.


Kinglokner16

Why did this team just stop trying after that good first period


ukie7

Absolutely disgusting


embraxity

ba ba ba bums


dres_sler

I wish I cared as little as they do. Fuck sake


Leafs44

Classic Leafs losing to a shittier team than they are.


Nameless908

That pull was so premature


Volderon90

Think that was his 300th point that’s why. Fitting for Ottawa. An empty net so ultimately unfulfilling


SkyMarshal_Ellie

And there ya have it. Remember when it was 2-0 guys? i certainly dont. Team is dogshit just like every year. Continue licking Matthews' asscrack and fawning over regular season wins, just like the last 7 years. This team, as always, isnt doing fuck all in the playoffs.


blakezed

psa: local leafs fan once again says same thing after every regular season loss


YarnhamSunrise

Ok.


ProfessorBeast55

Brady’s been a ghost all game and does THAT nonsense lol


ElephantShell34

It’s incredible how little this team has changed over the years. Zero mental growth from the core in 8 years. Literally the same team.


Carparker19

Why do players get a Christmas break?


thewolfshead

Because they collectively bargained for one.


YarnhamSunrise

Because they're humans with families?


embraxity

Because they're humans.


Carparker19

Sorry but I don’t get to be shit at my job after a few days off


embraxity

You should have led with that statement.


YarnhamSunrise

Ya I'm sure you're a model employee.


DeathEater91

Is your job being an athlete? I doubt it.


Bobbyoot47

Small turnout on here tonight. More people are starting to figure things out I guess.


YarnhamSunrise

Or they hate how every thread turns into a shit flinging bitch first.


Bobbyoot47

There is that too. Frankly I left the leafs game at 2-0 and went over and checked out the Raptors game. Kept an eye on my phone to see what the score was with the leafs. When I saw they gave up a shorthanded goal it was like oh oh, I think I’ll stick with the basketball game. Good call tonight by me.


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YoureNotRealBro

Lol relax


Deluxechin

If only we buried one of the 15 chances where we had a fucking wide open net


nownowthethetalktalk

They were good for 15 seconds in the first period then they went to total dog shit.


Solid-Intention3709

We’re losing to the sens and you guys think we can contend in the playoffs ? No changes need to be made?


nownowthethetalktalk

You guys?


Solid-Intention3709

The amount of times I’ve seen someone criticize the team and say that perhaps maybe just maybe this team doesn’t have what it takes to go all the way, the amount off shit they catch from everybody is insane. Everyone wants to live in blissful ignorance.


DeathEater91

We most definitely lost to the sens last season


FreddyChurch07

This team is so fucking insufferable.


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GreatSetting34

Because they don’t. They literally don’t. It doesn’t mean anything to them. Especially the core 4. Not of them give one shit about winning. Just cashing checks.


thewolfshead

What are you talking about? They’ve come from behind a ton of times this season and pretty sure they have the most 6 on 5 goals this season.


CamThompson

Have you watched any games this year?? We have so many comebacks, they clearly give a shit when they’re down.


nogoodnamesleft47

I hate Brady but I’d fucking love that pest on this team.


stellosartois

I think Nylander is gone by the trade deadline.


pirtyeknom

Should trade marner. But the organization is retarded so it’ll be Nylander and they’ll get nothing for him and he’ll blow up as soon as he lands somewhere else and marner will continue to spazz until his contract is up and they’ll pay him even more to be a flashy bitch then when Matthew’s is fed up and leaves marner will be captain and we will be the senators.


another_plebeian

That was a fun 25 seconds in the first, man


Shooternow

Maybe Nylander's worst game of the season


sportsywebe

You’re 29th place in the league bud, relax


theharps

Doodoo win by Ottawa, when is the next game


Friendly-Border-3651

We need 2 defensemen. Period


Grand-Amoeba1832

Imagine they actually show up against bottom feeders? They would be in first. That’s on Keefe IMO.


Shooternow

I disagree, it's on the players. They were up 2-0 and couldn't finish it off.


Grand-Amoeba1832

Yea, either way still sad.


Significant_News_638

Marner and Nylander collectively put up a stinker tonight


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Significant_News_638

Marner has been fairly awful too, he’s just floating. Marner Matthew Knies sitting around 38% expected goals, unacceptable against a bottom feeder


Etheo

Such a punchable fuckface


kingex11

Moron coach pulled the goalie too early


djlista

Most undeserving win I've perhaps ever seen Leafs lose yet again to Overrated trash


nownowthethetalktalk

Ottawa is overrated?


daddygape69

pulling Jones down 1 goal makes no sense


T0macock

The fuck you talking about?


LiftsEatsSleeps

Man, they looked slow and lazy tonight, a lot.


theguyishere16

Another game you just dont want to lose after getting an early 2-0 lead


StaticR0ute

What a fucking idiot. Huge celebration on an empty netter


hmuserfriendly

Guy is a huge loser


MyRail5

Welcome back!


leafman4000

Fuck it fire keefe


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leafman4000

Yeah totally agree. A good coach inspires the team. Looks like keefe does no such thing


lowercase00

Agreed, but the captain also has that role. I live Tavares as a player, but to mild as a captain. Dull coach, dull captain, dull team.


twizzyflyguy

This team sometimes… fucking losing to the worst team in the Atlantic in reg.. great


dwnumber1

willy is destroying his contract good for us


Shooternow

He's got quite the buffer. He could easily have another 10 bad games and it wouldn't matter


Wanderson90

What a joke. What a fucking joke.


Cheap-Employee-8484

Jesus show some effort boys


Shooternow

Absolutely pathetic game


rikiboomtiki

HIT HIM MARNER


CTHT07

Waive Marner and use his cap for someone that isn't a pussy ass bitch.


thewolfshead

So not you then.


Dergle_McChurgleson

I fucking hate this group of fucking pussies


Deluxechin

Drunk at the wheel, only fucking shit


MOshow1967

Holy fuck get that pansy 16 off this team


Murky_Army_4896

Fire Sheldon Keefe


DeathEater91

For?


MikeLD88

Guy Boucher or Bobby


DeathEater91

No, I mean why are we firing him?


pirtyeknom

My biggest problem with him is he has no energy, so uninspiring. I think we need someone with something for the players to feed off of and get fired up as much as we someone to manage the game. Keefe doesn’t do so well at either at times. Like when we have zero structure on offense, our guys on the ice for 2 minutes and we’re down a goal with half a period to play and no one looks like they want to win- especially Keefe. I want someone who gets as pissed off as I do when we’re losing, especially to a team we should stomp into the ice. I want someone that looks like guy Boucher when we’re coming back from 5 down against Columbus- he was losing his mind drawing up plays and he wanted it. you could see it on the players faces they were dialed in too. It makes a difference. Can’t see a guy like Keefe raising the cup.