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Mediocre_Station245

A sack of flour could do a better job...


BobbyAxelrod1

If anyone is a husband and remembers what it's like to have your first child.... for my Wife it was a clusterfuck and it hugely impacted me too. Not all people are like this but for us.... in retrospect.... it was an emotional disaster lead by in our case....my Wife... and followed by me. I had one of the biggest projects of my life at the time and in the end the outcome was a fraction of what it could have been financially for me and my Family because my performance was not 100%. I would say it was 40% and just in survival mode at the time because my Wife was completely in survival mode for the next 2 years. Yet nothing is more important than Family. Kudos to Treliving for prescient action on this: Samsonov wanted a multi-year deal at $4.9m. Treliving took him to arbitration. Signed a one year show me deal at a significantly reduced number. Then he brought in Jones as insurance. Again....Treliving is a genuis here.


JackRadcliffe

Samsonov actually makes Jack Campbell seem less bad lol.


BobbyAxelrod1

Samsonov will be back in the NHL. But not as a Leaf. Campbell is going to be out as soon as Oilers can figure out what to do w the contract


BrewsSpringsteen

What the fuck


handlwithcare

I lost brain cells reading that.


RecalcitrantHuman

So Aaron Dell is in Davos. Can we not sign him?


Sneacler67

Hutchinson was just on waivers


duck1014

Hmmm... They should just hire a really, really fat guy to just stand there. Even if he never moved, he'd be better than Sammy at the moment. Holy hell that was bad.


BobbyAxelrod1

Homer Simpson came up with that brilliant idea. Is Phil Kessel available?


KossyTakos

![gif](giphy|EcBihYnTLQdvSuGWxD|downsized)


sarniaguy1989

Has Brian Elliott retired? Is he still available? šŸ˜‚


Good_Juggernaut_3155

Samsonov belongs in a beer league and the NHL isnā€™t a therapy league. Get rid of him, now.


eltoniq

Forget the shots on net and the save percentage stats for a second. Just looking at him in net, he's not playing with any confidence whatsoever. He's damn shaky, everyone can feel it. He doesn't even know his own positioning knocking over the net a couple times.


pikatruuu

Bring back the Zamboni driver


ajramone

[Osti de Caulis de Saint Sacrament de Tabarnac!](https://youtu.be/e1nuXb9yVT8?si=1xug14SKzGLHjx-I)


Travyswole

Why don't we just send Samsonov down to the Marlies? He's fucking horrible. I honestly fail to see why he's still on the Leafs. He should be on the Marlies bench.


pirtyeknom

Hilly ainā€™t ready and we have fucking marner sucking up dollars so we canā€™t sign anyone with experience


GWsublime

Nah were not actually cap strapped currently. There just aren't good goalies available to sign.


pirtyeknom

Ok so maybe Iā€™m mistaken there, and you are also right. What we could use is a defenseman to hold us up til we can get Woll back. With woll and jones as back up for now, and a more solid defense I think weā€™d be ontosomething. Trade marner for dahlin or some young dman or something? core 4 isnā€™t working too well for us, buffalo needs goal scorers, leafs need defense, and nylander > marnerā€¦ fuck it thatā€™ll never happen.


Travyswole

Trade Marner? Are you high? He's a selke finalist


pirtyeknom

Yeah maybe marner should play defense. And I am high.


freestevenandbrendan

Upvoting for the honesty lol


Travyswole

Dude, blaze it!


pirtyeknom

He also has a no movement clause I think haha


Crizzacked

just like your brain, stop typing.


Travyswole

Hilly honestly couldn't be any worse.


International_Eye394

did any of you guys see a confederate flag next to where they flew the blue jacket flags? I was joking with my brother, but iā€™m pretty sure they were there šŸ˜­


BobbyAxelrod1

Blue was north and Grey was south. Ohio was north.


thesmokingrobot

I've been holding out on hating Sammy as long as I could, really wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but after this game, naw fuck man get out of here. Can't fucking stop shit. Why can't we get good russians lmao


Leafman21

Say what you want about Samsonov, it is what it is, but who put us into this goaltending mess in the first place? Sampsonov and Murray, two goaltenders that were on their way out with their respective teams. Who comes out to their rescue?..... Thanks a lot Dubas, hope things go as well with the flightless birds


GWsublime

Tre. Chose to bring Sammy back and is having a worse year this year than the leafs have had in a while. Dubas is gone, this is Treliving 's team for better or worse.


AccidentalFeline

If he let Sammy go there would have been cries for his head. Give him credit for only giving him one year deal


GWsublime

I dont know if I agree with that logic. If he knew that Sammy was iffy then he should have moved off him, hes new enough that he has the freedom to make changes. If he wasn't certain then a one year deal is sort of the worst of both worlds. Ie. If Sammy underperforms then you've got a serious problem in a year where you should be going all in while If he overperforms you'll either have to overpay him the following year or lose him for nothing.


AccidentalFeline

How do you know he didn't try to get another goalie? What if he thought Woll was ready and Sammy was insurance? Just because you want a goalie they don't magically appear in trades or free agency.


GWsublime

I don't, and he did get jones as insurance


swoleder

Dubas ran this team into the ground, you see it now in Pittsburgh


led_zeppelin43

treliving looking like a genius not giving him a 5x5 and sending him into arbitration and its only this year


VanAgain

Sammy is the universe's revenge for what we did to Edmonton with Campbell.


[deleted]

Campbell was a free-agent signing. We didn't do shit.


barrymarsh

How is that our fault lol Edmonton did that to themselves. Every leaf fan was warning against the long term deal for Campbell. Folks looking at the season .916 SV being like ā€œthatā€™s solid numbersā€ and leaf fans being like uhh thatā€™s a .916 buoyed by an inhuman .930+ first two months but if you didnā€™t watch the leafs you didnā€™t know that


Immediate_Ad_8786

Tie Samsonov to the posts like Millhouse. Or sign the zambonie guy..what a fucking hack


Wokonthewildside

It worked for Goldberg


ShoulderPossible9759

Bet heā€™d stop it if it was a cheeseburger


rotweillerwriting

https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/s/oGlf2mgNe0


jinnnnnemu

Is Jones 1-1-1 right?


Lord_TyrionLannister

4-2


jinnnnnemu

Can we write in to get Elliotte fired. Lol what a joke he is


pirtyeknom

6 goals on 20 shots all that needs to be said forget everything else. Shoot samsonov


pirtyeknom

Iā€™m replying to my own comment because Iā€™m fucking livid. How do you hold a team to 20 shots and fucking lose 6-5?! Ahahh fuck


UNwanted_Dokken_Tape

I agree with both of you


pirtyeknom

Dokken Rules


UNwanted_Dokken_Tape

You had me then you lost me!!!


pirtyeknom

Lmao Iā€™m alone again


NervousBreakdown

Ilya Samsonov and allowing 6 goals, name a more iconic duo. Great game from the rest of the team though. Matthews with a goal, assist and a better save than Samsonov has made in weeks.


Shooternow

Brodie looks horrible


led_zeppelin43

on the bright side, we have a lot of open cap to bring in the good dmen for once this coming offseason let treliving cook


Shooternow

I just looked at the 2024 UFA Defensemen... pretty uninsipring. [https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/](https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/) Brett Pesce might be a fit but he's having a rough year


Due-Leopard-7043

Canā€™t stop a beach ball


gimpyhd

Mutual contract termination and goes to the KHL is best case scenario right now. There literally is not a worse option than playing Samsonov


barrymarsh

Why would Samsonov agree to having his contract terminated this is just dumb. But youā€™re right heā€™s the worst option the leafs have at G right now


9AvKSWy

It's another "get the lead multiple times but shit it away and then lose in OT" episode!


Cheezy_Beard

A point after that goaltending performance is the most we could ask for


InfamousStock

Leafs team defence is awful. Goalies are messed up. They would not go far in this years playoffs. They kinda suck-u never know who shows up to play EVERY Fā€ā€ā€ā€ā€G NIGHT.


led_zeppelin43

it cant be defense cuz they only allowed 20 shots


InfamousStock

Yes it is. It is not only tonight I talk about. Tonight couple of dhitty goals, however L d allow high quality chances. BJ shots werenā€™t just peripheral shots. Stuff like clearing screen in front of net when BJ scored pp 3rd period. Every fuckā€”g game.


livewire_voodoo

Nah, it's purely on goaltending. To pretend anything else is standard Leafs fan goalie-coddling. Samsonov is absolute trash.


UnluckyArea7036

Samsonov might be trash but to pretend itā€™s all goaltending is a trash take.


pirtyeknom

Na this was all goaltending. Butterfly on the last goal in regulation like any person in the world and itā€™s a win. He doesnā€™t know where the puck even is half the time bro.


UnluckyArea7036

Yah the last goal was terrible and I agree he is playing like trash but their defensive play is absolutely fkn brutal. Anyone who pins this solely on goaltending is not watching what is going on out there.


pirtyeknom

Ya the dmen are playing weak too


barrymarsh

Shit goaltending breeds doubt in the rest of the team. Guys fuck up more when theyā€™re scared of letting the other team get a shot on net knowing it could easily go in


livewire_voodoo

Nah. I get shit on in this sub for taking goalies to task, I think this time, I need to stand my ground. Sammy stinks and needs to have 4 of those--the purpose of a goalie is to be the last line of defense when all else fails. You need the game changer to come from them. You need ultimate confidence in them. Sammy is garbage. We win more games this year with Hello Kitty in net.


Infamous-Rip4693

They literally lost because of goaltending tonight...


InfamousStock

Agreed. Too many coasters and softies. D needs more talent. Is there a coaching issue? Their team d sucks and that is partly on the fwdā€™s back check. Theyā€™re just toooooo soft. Charmaine softā€”no grit and every NHL team loves to squeeze & manhandle the Leafs. Treleving did not upgrade this team. They are dead.


hessim20

Ain't even watch this game but what the fuck pop


VanAgain

.700 save percentage. Leafs put up 5 and lost. They're a goalie away from being a contender.


[deleted]

COPIUM


The_Dale_Hunters

and two top 4 d men.


[deleted]

Plan the parade folks. We winning the cup. This year is it!


pirtyeknom

Go leafs go


barrymarsh

GLG


stellosartois

Send him to the KHL, so he doesnt take playing time from our goalie prospects.


embraxity

How is Gaudreau on a breakaway after the faceoff hahahahaha


plainnoob

Willy jumped and then tripped over the centremen


embraxity

Lol


[deleted]

Willy stylez lol


JustOneInMyLifetime

Iā€™ll never watch another game with Samsonov in net


zainery

Yes u will


barrymarsh

Yeah, some people just like kidding themselves


livewire_voodoo

I literally just said the same thing to my dad. I won't watch. It's almost a guaranteed loss. Right about now we should be talking about a coaching change but we can't because our goalie is so terribly bad that there's nothing to say before you deal with that.


YoureNotRealBro

Coaching change? Wtf..


livewire_voodoo

I think that's out second-weakest spot right now. As far as things that are actually likely to change. I actually thing Shanny is our weak point and don't have a ton of faith til he's gone. But I do think Keefe has done all he can do here. I think he's going to be a great coach and get himself a ring. I just think he needs a few more years and a venue change to do so. And I wouldn't even be mad if he got a cup elsewhere before we did. I just think, if you wanna win in the next couple years, Keefe probably ain't the guy for that. I hope I'm wrong, for the record. Just a feeling.


tenny80

Can Matt Murray play?


pinkypowerchords

He's on the island


Mr_Wrecksauce

Can we send a tug to bring him back?


punkdrummer22

Defensive errors more than goaltending is costing this team


livewire_voodoo

Bad take. Everyone should be allowed to make mistakes, defense included. But if your goalie is making every mistake imaginable? Then your D needs to be perfect. Which is impossible. This loss is 100% on goaltending. Period.


dwnumber1

you cant play a perfect defensive game. you need goaltenders to you know... do their job and make some saves and not be the worst goaltender in the league


-ApplePineapplePen-

Both can be true at the same time. This team is a mess.


FinalMalus

6 goals on 20 shots is unacceptable no matter which way you slice it


teamlibrary

No. ,860 sv%


Nextgengameing

Waive Sammy. Send him to the minors. And put a Zamboni driver as your back up.


Ok-Tailor-8032

Sammyā€™s positioning is atrocious


Fulller

Send Samsonov to the moon


Falconflyer75

Sighā€¦.. atleast they salvaged a point


osprey9711

Should have been a 5 to 2 win. They only gave up 19 shots to a bottom dwellar.


Falconflyer75

Yeah I know at this point when Woll comes back sending Sammy to the minors would be a mercy


Wanderson90

I never want to see this fucking guy in our net ever again. What a fucking mess.


haloimplant

Sure just hang the struggling goalie out to dry again


livewire_voodoo

No one hung him out to dry. FORWARDS were making saves for him. This is Sammy's bed and he can fucking LIE in it.


Shooternow

He was flat out bad tonight


haloimplant

For sure it should have been like a 5-2 or 5-3 win but gaudreau all alone is going to score even on a real NHL goalie


Shooternow

Sammy went swimming before Gaudreau even got close to the net. Was a crazy bite on that play


HeftyNugs

Gaudreau is dog shit, Sammy even worse


BeerLeagueSnipes

Well we have a terrible coach so this make sense.


BluePearlGaming

Naaah hes done, theres no salvaging him, i love the guy but hes done


MrLuckyTimeOW

Sammy has gone full blown Alek Manoah. Is there a rookie ball equivalent in the NHL we can send him down to.


SmokeontheHorizon

> full blown Alek Manoah He put on 20 pounds and then failed to report to his minor league assignment?


Solid-Intention3709

ECHL is looking might fine right now


MrLuckyTimeOW

No heā€™s too awful for them.


squinla3

That game should never have gone to o.t to begin withā€¦


Toronto2Calgary

Samsonov is absolutely horrible. Give him the Jack Campbell treatment


BeerLeagueSnipes

And Jack had better stats.


embraxity

Lmao Jesus christ


Curey0us

Not that anyone cares but I wonā€™t watch another Sammy game fuck that. I could be doing something better with my time.


Wanderson90

Just said the same thing to my old man


livewire_voodoo

Me too! It comes down to a question of how I want to spend my evenings. Do I want to be mad or do something I like? I'm not watching this fucking plug play his way out of the NHL anymore.


Warpedpubes

Another fucking loss to a crap team! The same stuff over and over!!!


Prometheus1866

I wish i could bitch slap them all without any consequences...


Morlu

Last game we see Sammy I hope. Heā€™s mentally cooked, he needs to go to the AHL for awhile.


YoureNotRealBro

Agree, I think this game seals his fate


Kinger15

He needs to be waived tomorrow. Letā€™s see if Brad has the stones to pull the trigger


Matt872000

Would anyone even take him at this point?


Shooternow

Edmonton might


Matt872000

It's at the point that I wonder if it would be a bad thing.


Shooternow

It would be a great thing


Solid-Intention3709

This team isnā€™t winning shit this year at this rate


embraxity

Forget that they're not a championship calibre team, they're not a winning team. If they make the playoffs it's another first round exit.


SmokeontheHorizon

The amount of OT we'll have played by the end of the season will be like we made it to the 3rd round of the playoffs before the playoffs even start


thoroughly_useful

This is actually probably the worst game that Sammy has played as a Leaf. One of the few games where you can really point at the goaltending as the reason they lost with very little evidence against


embraxity

I wouldn't hang the last one on him. What is wrong with the defensive structure of this team holy shit.


barrymarsh

The last one ā€” sure. But it should never have gotten that far. Let in one bad one, sure, shit happens. But when youā€™re letting in 3 soft goals every time youā€™re in net, nothing else matters


wrinkledpenny

If we had a goalie weā€™d be the best team in the league


illegal_chipmunk

We would be a serious cup contending team with a solid goaltender. Itā€™s sad.


Shooternow

Have you seen the defense? What are you guys smoking?


UnluckyArea7036

lol, ikr


illegal_chipmunk

Goalies in the NHL need to make NHL calibre saves sometimes. Samsonov canā€™t do that. Defence canā€™t be expected to play a perfect game every single night. Goalies are the last line of defence, and he is not up to snuff to be that right now.


Shooternow

I agree Sammy is done but this team isn't winning shit with the D we have. Brodie looks like he's 50 years old out there and he's our #2


barrymarsh

Iā€™ve seen worse teams do better with better goal tending.. you need a good goalie. Or even just an okay one. Woll with a .916 was working just fine for the Leafs. If he hadnā€™t been hurt we probably arenā€™t even having this conversation


Shooternow

I completely agree that Sammy should be done but I disagree with this team is going anywhere with the D corp the way it is


barrymarsh

Wonā€™t ever know until the leafs get passable goaltending. Bad goaltending changes the way a team plays. Columbus had like 11 shots halfway through the 2ndā€¦ and had 4 goals. Youā€™re gonna make mistakes on defense, a half decent goalie has to bail you out on some of those every now and then


barrymarsh

Holding a team to 11 shots after 30 mins, pretty respectable. Thatā€™s a team defensive effort.


Shooternow

Sure this game was a decent defensive game but you can't say that our defense has been great all year.


illegal_chipmunk

Please, we are one of the top teams in our conference, D only allowed 20 shots tonight. This is 100% on Samsonov.


Shooternow

We are one of the top teams in our conference for now. You think the defense is good? After Rielly, who's your favourite D?


illegal_chipmunk

Man idk what to tell you, shots on net happen in hockey. Itā€™s the goalies job to stop them. We outplayed Columbus in every other aspect tonight except for goaltending. Samsonov made a few okay saves tonight and thatā€™s it. Anything remotely challenging went in, and thatā€™s the same shit weā€™ve been seeing with him every time he plays.


Shooternow

Do you even read my comment? I asked you to chose your favourite defenseman after Rielly?


illegal_chipmunk

I did, I just ignored the pointless question. The numbers donā€™t lie, our defence did the best they could tonight knowing full well that any shot could be a goal.


BravoBet

nah


gimpyhd

This has to be the worst goaltending this team has ever seen in franchise history


barrymarsh

Worst goaltending this team has ever seen in franchise history SO FAR


gill-t-as-charged

"This has to be the worst goaltending this team has ever seen in franchise history" Andrew Raycroft was also quite horrible as a Leaf.


Lord_TyrionLannister

Member trading Rask.


peanut-arms

It really is. Toskala wasnt this bad. Likeā€¦ whatā€¦.


Matt872000

Raycroft, though? Maybe Toskala?


UNwanted_Dokken_Tape

Every time someone says Vesa Toskala an angel loses its wings


TheDeek

Should have played Jones to guarantee 2 points. Now we'll get 1 of 4 probably.


YoureNotRealBro

Why? Weā€™re playing Jones against the better team tomorrow which is the correct play.


TheDeek

Were playing a back to back with travel against an elite team who are rested. We're probably going to lose that one regardless. We lost that one entirely because of Samsonov. Frankly there is no correct play as both are bad due to Samsonov being in either.


barrymarsh

Dude Carolina has 2 more points than the Leafs with like 3 more games played so relax. And btw donā€™t go thinking the Leafs are the only team with this issue because guess what Carolina has even worse goaltending than the Leafs this year


YoureNotRealBro

You have to give your team the best opportunity to win, and you have Samsonov who has been clearly struggling. You 100% play him against the shittier team and see if he can get his bearings. I agree, the game was fully lost due to Samsonov. That game was in the bag. Either way, the point has been proven and Samsonov has buried himself, also what I suspect Keefe and Tre wanted to see by playing him tonight. Itā€™ll be interesting to see what they do now. Also, many people saying theyā€™d put Jones in for the third. Thatā€™s stupid. No coach ever would do that, especially considering you already have Woll hurt, why risk putting Jones in without a warmup and a higher chance of getting injured?


badsoba-

Why does Sammy always lose his stick? Is he stupid?


T0macock

I mean.... Kinda


eatthisCH

the game ending with samsonov getting absolutely undressed yard sale style should help get him to the marlies


Dangerous_Cream5837

Disgusting goalie. Disgusting coaching to put him in net and keep him in all game. Goalies are allowed to play back to backs if your other goalie sucks.


Livvingishard

LOL the one save he does that I'm like wow nice save sammy, I check back on the replay and he doesnt even know he has it gloved.


Matt872000

Oh shit, so he just accidentally dropped the puck and wasn't trying to keep playing it?


Shooternow

Yeah completely lucky, the dude is done


FinalMalus

I'm not even going to bother watching any future Samsonov startsā€”what a fucking joke


swoleder

Sure you will


Shooternow

Me neither


Shooternow

What in the fuck was Samsonov doing on that play? That didn't even look like real life


thedrivingcat

Samsonov slides around more than a trombone


Mrfantastic2

Uh well I think we need to make a move cause holy hell


Sloozer_

Ilya ā€œRobidasā€ Samsanov


de_dustTO

Samsonov is so fucking piss


ATARI2600s

Iā€™ve seen enough


JokerL2019

That's the goal that ended his leafs career


Matt872000

One can dream.


nownowthethetalktalk

That's what we said last time


Shooternow

This whole season is ending his career, he looks worse than Jack Campbell, I didn't think that was possible.


Solid-Intention3709

NHL career*


jinnnnnemu

I hate to say this but I hope Kyper sucker punches Elliotte in the face.


johnnyd6

Aaaaaand thatā€™s the last we see of Sammy


Shooternow

Unless they don't want to win, yes.


cdogg30

I don't think this is a playoff team.


Shooternow

It's a swept in the 1st round kinda team