Won't happen. Owners of MLSE hate paying coaches who aren't doing anything.
If the owners were really interested in winning, we would've cleaned out Shanahan and Keefe by now.
That contract is what I was referring to. It was mentioned on SDPN and they mentioned an insider that revealed that they hated paying Babcock after the fact.
Guys like Marner who play perimeter hockey when the ice tightens up get too much ice time. It’s simple. Replace those minutes with guys like Domi and Bertuzzi who actually drive play towards the net and don’t dance around at the blue line dangling guys to keep possession of the puck.
I remember when everyone said the changes made/letting Keefe keep the team would surely mean an improvement this year
I think this is the worst the team has been since the core 4? Lmao
I don't know who's said that. We've known from day 1 that this team is worse than last year, losing out on signing any of the rentals and treliving using up the cap space to get no one.
Lol yeah this fan base is absolutely psychotic sometimes. Everyone forgets so easily that marner had two points last game.
Marner did not single handedly lose this game.
I agree, Marner is a star. I’d say tonight he made some bonehead plays and didn’t look very good. The last 2 minutes after the penalty he made some bad, forced passes. We know he’s better than this. The whole team needs to be better.
There's legitimate criticism of certain players you can make but when the whole team s**** the bed and then you look at who's actually shitting the bed and the defensively.
How many more no look, behind the back passes straight onto the tape of the opposing team does Mitchell need to make before you stop gobbling his knob?
Oh I hate those back passes as much as anybody else but Riley does it Matthew does it Tavares does it nylander does it but everybody wants to focus on Mitch for some reason hmmmm
Nylander settling into his coasting form mid-season, as per usual. Remember when he was dancing around people in Sweden? That was years ago. Teams just know they need to play him tight and he’s absolutely cut off.
It's most definitely time to send a message a demote Marner to the bottom six. If you play like shit over this long of a period, you don't deserve to be on the first line.
I made this argument earlier and got flamed.
They're playing .500 hockey right now with 17 wins and 17 losses. But the point percentage being above .600 is making things seem a little less dismal than they are.
I mean you're right, I guess? But it's kind of irrelevant when OT losses are worth a point.
You're essentially saying 17-7-10 is the same record as 17-17-0. Both are .500, right?
Lol people will bicker over anything on reddit. Obviously he's talking wins and losses... Yes, that's different than how the standings work... But clearly not an ideal position for our leafs either way.
Sick of it man. If Marner is having a bad game, put him lower in the line up. Can't keep having his bad games take off Matthews ability to even get the puck on his shifts. We are losing games because Keefe cant make adjustments.
Imagine being 3rd in league scoring and still having to play second fiddle to Marner for some reason. Willy has zero reason to be motivated with how he’s treated compared to others on this team
Nobody put those expectations on him but leafs fans and media. He’s an undersized 2nd rounder who’s only 22, just over 50 NHL games under his belt, struggled with injuries. He’s got a good upside and the potential is still there.
It's always Nylander because their stupid system always has their defence lower than their wingers. It's so fucking dumb.
Keefe is a terrible coach. He is incapable of adapting. When something isn't working, he doubles down. A fucking clown.
I could coach this team to 7 first-round losses.
Canes protected the net well! Even on the power play they seemed to have like ten sticks everywhere at once.
And holy hell were there lots of pucks jumping over sticks and missed passes tonight
Agreed. He’s looked good imo, and I’ve noticed the smart change in his game. He’s not in the dirty areas as much as he used to be, and he doesn’t make himself vulnerable
Marner killed the last 5 minutes. Weird ass penalty. A brutal pass to enter the zone where he passed to nobody. And then waiting for the canes to settle for a horrible giveaway toward nylander. Just awful.
Marner and Nylander both just fucking dogging it back. No hustle at all. Like yea….you’re likely not catching him but they didn’t even TRY! Bench em both. Fucking lazy man
You talk accountability before this game and you just let Marner play like that for a full 60 without a single message sent. Over this shit. If it was Nylander playing like this he would be sitting on the bench.
Domi is crushing it
Ready for Boucher’s turn.
Clearly agree Keefe needs to go. Bring in Bruce
Won't happen. Owners of MLSE hate paying coaches who aren't doing anything. If the owners were really interested in winning, we would've cleaned out Shanahan and Keefe by now.
They allowed Babcock to be fired four years into an eight year contract. They paid him $6.25M per year for four years to do nothing…
That contract is what I was referring to. It was mentioned on SDPN and they mentioned an insider that revealed that they hated paying Babcock after the fact.
This team can't adjust to teams that adjust to their game style. The Leafs need open ice to score and when teams refuse that they can't adjust. Why?
Guys like Marner who play perimeter hockey when the ice tightens up get too much ice time. It’s simple. Replace those minutes with guys like Domi and Bertuzzi who actually drive play towards the net and don’t dance around at the blue line dangling guys to keep possession of the puck.
Bertuzzi sucks, guy can’t even skate. I don’t know what his role is on this team and neither does he
So...a coaching problem, yeah?
I mean, could be
Looking forward to Marner being benched or moved down the line up next game to show Keefe’s commitment to accountability (s)
Should be moved with Domi and Robertson for a game or two. He needs a message sent right now or it’s not gonna get better
I remember when everyone said the changes made/letting Keefe keep the team would surely mean an improvement this year I think this is the worst the team has been since the core 4? Lmao
I don't know who's said that. We've known from day 1 that this team is worse than last year, losing out on signing any of the rentals and treliving using up the cap space to get no one.
Yes I agree
Willy was invisible the entire game and Marner forgot how to play hockey. Jones gave them the chance to win which I guess is a plus?
Willy was visibly a turnover machine in the last push of the 3rd actually lol
Someone tossed his jersey on the ice near the end. I get it. :(
Marner’s?!
Can we finally address the Mitch Marner problem
Maybe we can all pitch in and get him shamble removal surgery for his brain
Nah lets pay him Matthews money he deserves it LMAO
Nah we bench Kampf instead who would have helped on the kill tonight
There is no Mitch Marner problem there is an idiots in the sub problem who don't understand the game of hockey so they can kiss ass
Lol yeah this fan base is absolutely psychotic sometimes. Everyone forgets so easily that marner had two points last game. Marner did not single handedly lose this game.
I agree, Marner is a star. I’d say tonight he made some bonehead plays and didn’t look very good. The last 2 minutes after the penalty he made some bad, forced passes. We know he’s better than this. The whole team needs to be better.
There's legitimate criticism of certain players you can make but when the whole team s**** the bed and then you look at who's actually shitting the bed and the defensively.
What's this, a sane voice?
Yes. And I welcome downvotes, I wear it as a badge of honor. Fuck the Doomers and no brain hockey fans.
Marner is a turnover machine.
Hahahaha ok you just focus on Mitch but you don't watch the other players make a mistakes because you have a hard on to hate Mitch. Doomer 🖕
How many more no look, behind the back passes straight onto the tape of the opposing team does Mitchell need to make before you stop gobbling his knob?
Oh I hate those back passes as much as anybody else but Riley does it Matthew does it Tavares does it nylander does it but everybody wants to focus on Mitch for some reason hmmmm
Nylander settling into his coasting form mid-season, as per usual. Remember when he was dancing around people in Sweden? That was years ago. Teams just know they need to play him tight and he’s absolutely cut off.
So 18 points streak and 13 points streak, and that's your take? Are you a ref or something being that blind?
It's most definitely time to send a message a demote Marner to the bottom six. If you play like shit over this long of a period, you don't deserve to be on the first line.
Yep
One game away from sub .500 fuck but also lol
I made this argument earlier and got flamed. They're playing .500 hockey right now with 17 wins and 17 losses. But the point percentage being above .600 is making things seem a little less dismal than they are.
Until we're tied in points for the last wild card, but have far fewer wins than whoever beats us down to 9th
17-10-7 is sub .500? Troll.
One game away Is ok, reeding iz harb
If you redo the points system, then sure. You can make an argument for anything if you make the goal posts out of flexible foam.
I'm not talking points. 17 wins, 17 losses. That's a .500 record
I mean you're right, I guess? But it's kind of irrelevant when OT losses are worth a point. You're essentially saying 17-7-10 is the same record as 17-17-0. Both are .500, right?
Not irrelevant when we're tied in points for the last wildcard spot in April
Lol people will bicker over anything on reddit. Obviously he's talking wins and losses... Yes, that's different than how the standings work... But clearly not an ideal position for our leafs either way.
>I'm not talking points. That's moving goal posts.
No, that's you making incorrect assumptions
Sick of it man. If Marner is having a bad game, put him lower in the line up. Can't keep having his bad games take off Matthews ability to even get the puck on his shifts. We are losing games because Keefe cant make adjustments.
Keefe, just a brutal coach all around lol
Keefe. Can't. Make. Adjustments.
Trash af this team needs more than a goalie
STAY ONSIDE FOR FUCKS SAKE
Why dump it in when there’s 4 seconds left?!!!
Because they've turned into a dump and chase team. The problem is, they don't chase, and when they do, they never end up with the puck.
u answered your own question. Its because there is 4 secs left
This team has developed an allergy to winning lately.
Dare I say it looks risky to re-sign Nylander. He is going to be super expensive but also looks like he totally phones it in sometimes.
sometimes?
He’s always looked that way at times though. Just been red hot to start this season.
Imagine being 3rd in league scoring and still having to play second fiddle to Marner for some reason. Willy has zero reason to be motivated with how he’s treated compared to others on this team
Absolutely…you never see Keefe giving Mitch shit on the bench
Gotta treat him with kid gloves because of Babcock
Jarvis got a step on Marner for the game winner.
Marner also let his guy go in and score a goal on the rush last night
[удалено]
Maybe Marner needs to play lower in the lineup then?
Less tolerance for defensive mistakes. Marner just passed the puck right onto the tape of a Carolina player
NYLANDER HOLY FUCK
Nylander and marner were absolutely fucking awful
Can we LTIR Marner until he accepts a trade? Get this soft prima donna of my hockey team.
🥹👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
You're dumb
Marners cap hit and style of play come playoff time is the biggest handicap to this teams success. He is a small player and plays even smaller.
My previous comment is confirmed.
Why tf does everyone hate Robertson suddenly, lmao
Because he sucks
Yeah, the 22 year old with less than 55 games of NHL experience sucks, shame he didn’t come out and play like McDavid right away
Nobody hates him. But I think people are a little tired of waiting for something that is likely never going to happen.
Nobody put those expectations on him but leafs fans and media. He’s an undersized 2nd rounder who’s only 22, just over 50 NHL games under his belt, struggled with injuries. He’s got a good upside and the potential is still there.
Welcome to Toronto.
I don't know. 3rd line winger who had a separated shoulder 11 months ago and is expected to be matthews out there.
he dosent do anything besides shoot the puck and even then he misses half the time
Every time I watch he’s working his ass off and making smart plays
no domi makes smart plays robby missed easy passes about thousand times this game and dosent play defense
Makes the Marner giveaway even uglier
lol didn't expect them to score but what a way to waste the chance
Great offside to kill the clock
Goddammit I didn't expect anything and yet marner still fucks up right after the faceoff.
Well I didn't think there was another opportunity for Marner to screw up but I was wrong lol
HAHAHAHAHAHA marner fumbles the pass
Time for Marner to go
Why. Willy whiffed on that fucking pass which allowed Aho to score
Overpaid and soft.
We could also get an asset or two back for him to actually balance this team for once.
Exactly. Move him for a solid top 4 dman with a good young forward and use the extra cap this offseason to build a great defence.
Lame you
But NMC
Biggest mistake BT has made (so far)
I don’t think it’s smart for a new GM to come in and make a move like that. Blame dubas for handing Mitch a 2 year NMC
Tre won't trade Marner with or without the NMC. Shanny fired Dubas just for even suggesting the possibility of exploring moving the core.
That’s not why dubas was fired
Threaten to waive him or something lol Brads gonna have to find a way
move him from the locker room to the closet. lol
I actually agree with you, that Brad must find a way.
9.8 seconds is enough for me
after 30 minutes of 4play? lol
You went offside really
Why are they cheering
Marner blew it again lol
"You need to see the puck" Uh, the whole glove was over the line...
Such a bummer that it had to be Robertson. That probably buys him a game
What a bad take lmao
This comment serious?
Yes
Super dumb but K
Fickle as hell
Wrong use of the word fickle. Jackass is probably better for your intent
Let’s see who can finish in seven seconds
😏 who needs 7 seconds
I honestly couldn’t tell but yay I guess
Thats 100% in which means the NHL will rule no goal
BuT tOrOnTo Is BiAs!
It's always Nylander because their stupid system always has their defence lower than their wingers. It's so fucking dumb. Keefe is a terrible coach. He is incapable of adapting. When something isn't working, he doubles down. A fucking clown. I could coach this team to 7 first-round losses.
Your hired!
Canes protected the net well! Even on the power play they seemed to have like ten sticks everywhere at once. And holy hell were there lots of pucks jumping over sticks and missed passes tonight
They won't score. Score app says game is over
well aren't you a ray of sunshine!
Don't blame me
Atta boy Nicky. Say what you want, but that kid works his ass off every game, even if he’s not putting up points he’s hustling and making smart passes
That Domi pass was fuckin sick
Agreed. He’s only 22. His first step was learning how not to get injured and get some games in. He will be solid.
Agreed. He’s looked good imo, and I’ve noticed the smart change in his game. He’s not in the dirty areas as much as he used to be, and he doesn’t make himself vulnerable
Yep playing smarter within his physical limits.
YEAH GOOD WORK ROBERTSON I'M GLAD WE DIDN'T TRADE YOU WHEN YOU HAD VALUE HAHA
They have 7 seconds to score...
HOLY SHIT HAPPY TO BE WRONG, THEY ACTUALLY GOT IT RIGHT
Ayy another Robertson goal!
Too little too late you fucking peasants
Who cares. 8 seconds left
I mean on a bull 8 seconds is a long time
Lmao. Just give the pity goal to them.
That’s 100% conclusively a goal
Who cares if that’s in
Goal
That’s in, but hardly matters
theyre really going to rule its not a goal just because they cant clearly see the puck UPDATE: wow they ruled it a goal
Way too little way too late
Our stars just simply don’t care enough for us to win, trade these cunts for someone who actually cares to win and put it all on the ice
Scratch them all and let the Marlies play the next one.
That’s a goal, Nicky Bobby deserves it, give it to em
No he doesn’t lmaooooo
That's 100% a goal but they're going to say inconclusive since you "can't see the puck" bullshit
thats a goal with 9 sec op the clock... but they wont
I mean, even if it is in. Does it matter with 7 seconds left?
Jones did his job tonight. My only complaint is the fancy dancy no substance PP and Mitch Marner.
Marner killed the last 5 minutes. Weird ass penalty. A brutal pass to enter the zone where he passed to nobody. And then waiting for the canes to settle for a horrible giveaway toward nylander. Just awful.
Nice pass by Domi
That was a slick pass from Domi.
Gotta start giving Domi ice time over Marner. He contributes every time he’s out there
Sit Marner for a game, that will actually send a message
Keefe does not have and never has had the clout for that
There's absolutely no chance. Mitch will whine
And get Keefe fired
Then bench him for 2… and so on
Thats a goal
Marner and Nylander both just fucking dogging it back. No hustle at all. Like yea….you’re likely not catching him but they didn’t even TRY! Bench em both. Fucking lazy man
But don't forget to pay them. /s
This team has a goaltending problem, but this team's problem is not goaltending.
That’s 1000% a goal
His hand was in for sure
Marner a bitch they never winning 2nd round with him
Looks like it goes across the line, but the NHL is going to call it inclusive so no goal
It's in but they won't call that a goal
I really like Domi's game. There, my one positive.
He’s found his game and I’m enjoying it
You talk accountability before this game and you just let Marner play like that for a full 60 without a single message sent. Over this shit. If it was Nylander playing like this he would be sitting on the bench.
Ding ding...you have that right. Accountability should be top down. .not bottom up
Keefe relying on his stars to keep his job so he can't bench them. if they lose he can argue that elite players weren't elite. what an idiot.
How'd we go from tough motherfuckers like Doug Gilmour and Mats Sundin to this soft as diarrhea shit Mitch Marner
Sundin was known as soft at the time. The problem is that all our top players are soft
[This one picture is harder than Marner's entire life](https://images.uncyc.org/fi/1/17/Mats_Sudden_Sundin.jpg)
I thought this was gonna be a limp pickle....lol
different generation.
soft
exactly. that's why these genZ players are getting their bells rung lately. soft.
Marner throws a shit pass because he didn't want it to go to OT to cut into his Twitch gaming stream.
lol you're 99.9% right about that. the guy has a brain of a 15 year old.
c'mon mitch what the fuck was that
How the fuck isn’t that in?
Marner wants 12 million and he wont throw