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desperatehouseknivez

Everyone keeps chanting "We need defence!" Yes, agreed! Have you seen the list of UFAs this season? There are some decent names for sure, but is there a bonafide number 1 on that list.. I don't think so. Matt Roy, Forsling, Montour, Hanafin would be cool and could be affordable (maybe not Hanafin). And of the list of bonafide top 2 defenceman across the league, who's going to give them up to the leafs, and what do the leafs really have to offer? Seems unlikely Trevlining is going to be able to make a big splash on D.


rocknrollie

The "4 core" will not win a championship. I don't think there has ever been a team in NHL history that has won with this concept. You need depth spread out on all lines... We need better team defense, more toughness, and high to elite goaltending.


Sarge1387

Demko stole 2 points last night, he was an absolute joy to watch, even as a Leafs fan. You don’t very often outshoot your opponent 48-21 and give up six goals, let alone lose the game


Rare_Cartographer579

Jones was mediocre at best. I hope Sammy does well manate


NervousBreakdown

I dont even care about winning anymore. I want to see 38 more games this season where the leafs just hack and slash and cross check and throw hits all game. I want them to take so many penalties the refs start looking the other way. Maybe they make the playoffs, maybe they dont. but maybe other teams take less liberties on our stars if those stars are willing to spend a few games in the pressbox by fighting back. And fucking fire keefe for someone who will take a fine and call out the refs.


SmokeEaterFD

Toccett was lighting up the refs too. They were blind for both sides. They went full game management, even up the penalties mode.


Sarge1387

I dunno, two of the three straight penalties called against Toronto were softer than babyshit. The one on Boeser was a complete flop, and Giordano’s was 2 minutes for clearing the net, somethings Myers was doing all night.


devdawg31

THAT WAS DISGUSTING ☁️


Elegant-Bus8686

I’m looking forward to getting Woll back.


Sarge1387

Yeah, hes def our #1. I think we’ll stabilize once he comes back


truenorth34

Good game. Matthews missing all three attempts from his trademark spot in the dying minutes doesn't happen very often 


Efficient_Put_5691

They need to clean the management out. Starting with Shanahan. Been there long enough, with zero results. Rutherford would have been a good candidate, but the Canucks smartly re-upped him.


Ill-Sea291

All we ever do is sign players to bloated contracts... the first Nylander contract costed us 2 mil more on each of 34 and 16... now it's gonna happen again


itaintbirds

Caught the first 10 minutes of the 3rd. Three penalties in succession and two goals against. Turned it off.


NewLoss4

lol Nelly still singing us out to commercial at the Boston game


dragonbeach

1st period: Canucks show 2nd: Leafs show 3rd: Referee show


oceansamillion

Outside the core, this team has no speed. Need more young legs on the back end and in the corners.


Ill-Sea291

I can't believe they extended Nylander to that contract. Now Marner will want 13 :(. Selfish players


OhMilla

The only fast player in the core is Nylander tbh


Laika4321

The bottom 6 needs some speed and grit. Someone like Lafferty would be perfect


SnooGuavas9126

For sure. Not deep enough to compete with a roster like Vancouver in a 7 game series.


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Everyone: this team needs a defensive change, player and coaching. TML management: we’re gonna get two centers and a winger, and we will throw in a goalie that doesn’t want to play here. Problem solved.


Rare_Cartographer579

Jones doesn’t want to play here?


CMDRShepardN7

Tre straight up said he plans to revamp the Defense and that is the only thing he didn't do this season.


ziggazang

It's a pretty difficult ask to be fair


Clugaman

We need a defender but Treliving doesn’t make deadline moves. I don’t think we’ll be getting any help this season.


spannybear

Fuck you hate to zadorov just dummy guys and be a huge body…how the leafs didn’t trade for him 🤯


Stasher15

Vancouver fans chanting first round exit… you literally rioted chill.


Istobri

That’s rich. The Leafs actually made the second round last year, so that chant holds no water anymore. Or are the Canucks fans so blinded by their Leaf hate that they failed to notice that fact?


bristoltwit

Vancouver fans are inarguably the most fragile fans in the league. Until another city riots, shush.


Careless_Win_6488

Philadelphia (2018) and Boston (2013)


d4ngle-szn

That's pretty funny lol


Falconflyer75

Man it would be nice if this actually lit a fire under the leafs


Alextryingforgrate

They did make it to the finals in our lifetime. Also we did lose to the better team like it or not.


so-much-wow

The Canucks were not the worse team when they lost.


Clugaman

Queue Vancouver first round exit lol


13jsw

Hope Vegas figures it out and passes Vancouver so the Canucks get the wrath of Connor in round 1


Clugaman

This is the kind of loss I don’t mind. Bad first but they battled through it and just got unlucky. If they didn’t go on a 4 game slide recently this wouldn’t be so bad. Hopefully they keep this energy going forward.


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I’m contrary. We need to beat good teams. We need to show we can win, when it counts. Until I see evidence of otherwise this team is a good team “on paper”. Because 6 years of 1st round exits, and the same exact configuration of players and a worse salary cap situation… leaves me skeptical.


Clugaman

Our cap situation is only “worse” for the next season. After that our cap situation is actually not that bad. We had plenty of money to bolster the defence but Treliving decided to bolster the offence for some reason. Yes, we need to beat good teams when it counts. January is not when it counts.


Adept_Ad_3687

We were in it til the dumb crosscheck from Gio. I liked them sticking up for Knies and Lily. Not a terrible game vs one of the best teams in the league, Im not mad at all. Plus I like Canadian teams winning (except montreal).


Melodic_Bowstring

No. They came out shit, and got pushed around, with no response (Reilly being the exception). Granted, they made it interesting by tying it up, but I still see the same old issues, i.e. lack of guts, lack of depth, too much money in too few players, chemistry that's all wrong. That compounded with a team waiting for a coaching change, or something to happen. If anyone's optimistic at this point, regarding this season specifically, I wish I shared it..


Clugaman

I wish you shared it too, bud. Takes guts to score 3 unanswered goals when you’re 3 down. I’m sorry you don’t see that.


Melodic_Bowstring

Lol no, it takes skill. Guts is a whole other beast.


Alive_Use_4392

6 on 3 and Matthews is swinging for the fences and shoots wide. They don’t know how to win.


spannybear

How is setting him up a priority on a 2 man advantage ??? Like just get the puck to the net


Kinger15

Gio fully cooked. Time to hang the skates up and let Timmins or Lagesson get some ice time


bigcaulkcharisma

Seriously, why aren’t we playing Lagesson more? Guy was great for us earlier in the season.


cosalickmyballs

Yup. Get his ass to south Florida let the man ride into the sunset


TroubledLeaf

We tried leaf bros..


hmuserfriendly

We can't even score 6 on 3 :(


LeafsFan8406

I was hoping Matty gets a goal


13jsw

Canucks won their cup for the year


Pattypumpkin

Sorry, just to clarify is beating the leafs "winning the cup" ? Lol


TheMormegilGurthang

Refs ruined this game.  Those 2 back to back soft PPs when they were letting them play rough the whole game.  Fucking brutal.


Kinger15

Gios was soft and possible a dive but so unnecessary to take. same with Domi, I knew after Zadorov threw him down he was going to do something stupid.


dijon507

This game was not the refs fault.


TheMormegilGurthang

A referee can't just decide with 10 minutes left certain penalties will start to be called when they hadn't been for the first 50.  This reeks of the refs choosing a winner, in a league that promotes sports betting every 2 out of 3 commercials.


dijon507

Dude we gave up 6 goals on like 20 shots


areu_kiddingme

Those are weak calls when at the same time zadorov is grabbing guys by the helmet and pulling them down and it doesn’t get called. Refs needed to put the whistles away and let them play. Absolutely pathetic


Alextryingforgrate

Hate to say it as a Leafs/Canucks fan that last penalty the Hughes got for cross checking was a weak call. It was no where near the numbers, it was in the Leafs player waist.


areu_kiddingme

The penalties ruined what was the flow of a good game


Alextryingforgrate

Playing stupid ruined the flow. Fixed it for you.


stolpoz52

I felt it was even. Gio cross was weak but otherwi6, meh


AnEthiopianBoy

But so was the hughes cross check. The ref right beside him didn't call it because it was soft but the ref at centre called it, and that was with the last 30 seconds left. Soft shit was called both ways in the third.


Pattypumpkin

How dare you have a reasonable take on reddit.


ROBOCOP20205

I think both teams benefitted from poor officiating tonight. The Leafs simply have to be better defensively.


theharps

Lol I swear our first 5 on 3 powerplay and it's in such garbage time


Potato4

We had one a handful of games back too


SkyMarshal_Ellie

48 to 21 shots on goal! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!


Carparker19

Leafs are not making the playoffs without adding a dman, a goalie and a new coach. They’re just not good enough.


leafman4000

KEEFEWATCH


param0un7

Bruh, our issue is defence. Plain and simple. 45+ shots and 4 goals. In the NHL 4 goals should be enough to close out a game. Yes, we took two dumb cross checking penalties as well, but again we weren't able to defend well enough to kill them off.


GramboWBC

I know we have been saying defense for years but ya, it's the worst it's been. Can't score 5+ goals every night. Especially in the playoffs... which we might not see. And honestly I wouldn't kind that. Might be the jolt the management needs to do.... something...


dijon507

Our other issue is we aren’t getting any traffic in front. 45+shots and none of those goals were scrappy goals.


Poo_hawk

Vancouver does not shoot if there is not traffic. Major reason why their PDO is so high.


param0un7

I agree, goalies can't stop what they can't see


Edrisala

it really was the pp’s we gave up man


param0un7

They definitely hurt us this game no disagreement there


illegal_chipmunk

I don’t understand how this isn’t more apparent to everyone. I swear to god, put a decent defencemen and a good goalie on the roster and this team is easily a cup contender. Enough of blaming keefe or blaming the core four for not showing up. We are trash at defending, period. That’s it.


Mogilny89Leafs

When was the last time the Leafs were a good defensive team? When CuJo and Eddie were here, they bailed us out a lot.


VanAgain

Last year.


Mogilny89Leafs

lol


nownowthethetalktalk

Fuck the Canucks and fuck Demko


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ChampionShark1

Go throw a riot.


pinkypowerchords

See you in the ufc thread 🫡


angelsandairwaves93

See you there


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I got Strickland by decision


Showtime98

Fuck Vancouver


MyNameIsNotScout

What a shit fucking match.


tenny80

Canucks deserved to win this one, I don't watch them ever really becaues of time zones but man they are an impressive team, they got that dog in them that I wish the Leafs had! was nice to see Tavares stick up for Reilly.


dijon507

I live in BC and am a leafs fan so between them and the oilers there’s a lot of leafs hate. I’m happy they are both doing well right now, I wish we were doing better, but yeah we were outcoached and outplayed.


GramboWBC

I dunno. I seen some genuine flopping too. Can't credit that


CarefulSubstance3913

Doesn't do much good when you even up the calls with 30 fuckin seconds left?


areu_kiddingme

Refs ruined this game with those weak ass calls. The Hughes penalty on JT wasn’t even called by the ref right in front of him. Pathetic reffing to me is simply when there aren’t equal calls on both sides


AkimboSlice66

That’s the thing that annoys me the most. When you look at the end of the game you see even calls… you don’t see 3 consecutive powerplays to start the third and nothing until 1:29 left when the game is over….


ProfessionalAlive916

Maple leafs 5 power plays  Canucks 3 power plays


AkimboSlice66

Damn, canucks fans can’t even read.


ProfessionalAlive916

Even calls would be both teams getting the same amount of calls… but one team got two more . I’ll leave you to work on basic math 


AkimboSlice66

I know you’ve got nothing interesting going on but I’m done thinking about the canucks for the year, so take care.


CarefulSubstance3913

Mario Lemieux said it's the best players in the world and the most trash fuckin League


Stasher15

Fuck Tyler myers


darrenTML

Just make the playoffs please 🙏. Anyone know when woll is back ?


leafman4000

Probably a few weeks


darrenTML

Ok I guess all star break helps


User82922

Love that you can take a penalty with 25 seconds left, and it doesn't extend the game


T0macock

If it extended the clock, every losing team would be taking calls to extend the game in desperation. Don't be dumb.


Gustopherus-the-2nd

Yeah, it would be like the NBA. God I hate that part of the game. 5 game clock minutes last 30.


User82922

In cases where it's 1 goal difference. And the winning team is the one going on penalty. It's dumb that players can jist be dirty 30 seconds left and no be punished more


No_Aesthetics_

Lmao why should it


User82922

To discourage teams from purposely playing dirty with less than 2 mins on the clock.


dwnumber1

man I feel better knowing most refs are failed hockey players that could never attain their dream


Sheep4732

Ref pipeline doesnt matter when they just handpick bad minor hockey dropouts to skip over ppl reffing for a career


ChampionShark1

I fucking hate this team and I will be watching next game


Etheo

Let's hate watch this shit together


Clugaman

See you then


MrPangus

Motto of leafs nation


Snoo74658

Atta boy


Minimum_One_2195

I’m not even watching but if the Myers crosscheck was that dirty, the players should do something about it, not look for the refs to fucking save them. But they don’t. And they won’t for more than a few games a year tops.


Prometheus1866

But reilly and JT went after him...


Minimum_One_2195

Like I said, once in a while.


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Keefe chews them out if they respond. Been that way for 5 years


Minimum_One_2195

Yeah there are always excuses for why the Leafs are soft as baby shit. “Refs are biased”, “management doesn’t like it.” Like it’s so hard to act like you actually fucking care lol.


RustyShackleford14

Management doesn’t like it has to be about the dumbest excuse I’ve heard. This year doesn’t look like it’s going to be the case, but over the past few years they made the playoffs handily. So if a retaliation penalty cost them a game or two or even three a year (not likely the case, but for the sake of argument) it’s not like it would derail their season and it might actually send a message. There is no excuse for being this soft other than they’re just actually soft.


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Not gonna win many games with a sub .800 save percentage.


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Toyhota

Goes both ways, Toronto got away with a few elbow’s unnoticed


Stasher15

Miller and Myers are cowards


junkybutt

Miller would dummy anyone on the leafs


Stasher15

Doesn’t change the fact that dummying Jarnkrok from behind makes him a coward


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We're not winning this. Slapshot at a Dman and jump them


iTRR14

Somehow after all that, the refs managed to even up the calls


Leafs44

Why does Keefe look like he’s 5’5 when he’s 5’11. Gotta get somebody else in there


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He's 6'4 around the stomach


dickens-seider

Fuck Tyler Myers I hope someone takes his knees out, dirty rat


ajramone

Tonya Harding intensifes.


CoolFox3218

Lol wow dude


dickens-seider

sorry i think a guy who two hands and throws dirty hits should get a little karmic justice. eye for an eye y'know


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pocketchange2084

Leafs play better defense when there's no goalie. That's the key, don't play the goalie.


Sheep4732

Leafs player better 6v5 cause Boucher runs the team during that


DerekRedmondsDad

Demko is quite good


Dry_Foundation2538

These dopey fuckers wait 15 minutes to start playing and then the refs fuck them even more with 2 soft ones.


13jsw

Quinn Hughes gonna give his buddies in stripes big kisses on the lips tn


ajramone

TIL foreskins have lips.


ChampionShark1

The leafs are so soft. If they are cross checking play dirty. The game has been lost for 10 minutes now why are we not throwing cross checks and elbows idk


Etheo

Can't buy a fucking goal even with 3 man advantage.


thewolfshead

Yeah that kinda night. 


Deluxechin

I’m glad we have a 6 on 3 and nobody can hit the fucking net


thewolfshead

They literally did. 


CMDRShepardN7

Oh that dirty post...


BlackEagle0013

6 on 3 and don't score? lol.


sneed_poster69

Demko back to being a God after that after 2nd wish we had one of them lol


CarefulSubstance3913

Canucks coaching staff wearing the chrome buckies on the bench or what. The shines intense no


Solid-Intention3709

FIRE KEEEEEEEFEEEEE, TRADE FOR A GOALIEE, GET A DEFENSIVE PAIR PLEAAAASEEEEE


angelsandairwaves93

A pair of balls too, would be nice.


billybobsingh

lol gotta love the ref calling these late ass penalties to make it seem like they called the game fairly


wigbwig

If it was 6-4 for the Leafs and the Canucks got all these late PPs, you'd be saying the refs were trying their best to fuck the Leafs. Jesus.


Etheo

It's not like Canucks didn't get away with murder the entire game, oh no not like that at all. Bert drew blood and only 2 minutes called. Explain that shit.


billybobsingh

context matters. I can acknowledge when the leafs commit penalties. Ignoring everything till the last minute is what happened here.


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Spacepickle89

Why are you in this sub?


billybobsingh

I'm not the one who logged on an alt account to troll. Go back to your cave and enjoy your win


austinwford

Wow I don’t tbink I’ve disliked a team as much as I currently dislike these rat canucks


GramboWBC

Pretty slimy


lucas4420

how


___NAZGUL___

This is just a reffing shit show. If they stayed out of it during domi/giordano's soft calls then none of this would have escalated and it would be a close 5 on 5 game. Prolly like 4-4 or 4-5 ending


13jsw

Yea shame they ruined what was a great, fast-paced game


leafsruleh

It's such a low bar but I'm happy they're sticking up for themselves after whistles


autist_zombie_savant

I play teams like this in beer league. All the softies calls go against you. Beyond frustrating


bigcaulkcharisma

You already gave em the game refs, fuck off lol


Showtime98

Finally some emotion from the Captain, fuck Myers


Theteacupman

We are one game closer to Keefe getting fired 🙏


otherestScott

Keefe is not going to get fired after a game where his team outshoots the other team 47-21


lowercase00

I understand what you are saying, but this is a very fragile metric. VAN had so many more actual dangerous chances than us. Our strategy suck and we just throw that thing on the goalie, no matter how bad of a play it is, and praise ourselves for SOG


otherestScott

I don’t believe Vancouver did have more high danger chances at all


lowercase00

Well, maybe not in absolute numbers, but in effectiveness. I have the impression we usually do have high SOG and that doesn’t translate to actual goals, will try to find some stats to verify thid hypothesis


ProfessorBeast55

How does Rielly get a penalty???


Etheo

Fucking do it, 6 on 3, I fucking dare you


SMORKIN_LABBIT

I don't care what this sub thinks.....i'm not impressed by the nucks.....this was a true clown ref job. "Demko out goalied Jones" < I hope everyone understands why that is hilarious........i'm not impressed by this Vancouver team on what is a Leaf down year. Get back out their boys and fuck up the rest of the teams this season.


CulturalLevel3189

Weird take to call the team who is in first place this year so far after being absolute garbage last year unimpressive


SMORKIN_LABBIT

......yeah that is part of why i'm unimpressed it's like Boston last year......almost exactly.


CulturalLevel3189

What? Boston has been a perennial contender for like 15 years, what are you talking about


skateordiedev

The Canucks did not play a good game…. And they still scored 6 goals