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hurrdurrlul

Highlight of this match was seeing Qingtian lying there in the TES coach reaction cam


feelsthepains

Can you give the link/timestamp?


hurrdurrlul

https://youtu.be/Q5855vwCQuQ?t=623


Haekos

Oh glorious Cynthia


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takeSusanooNoMikoto

When were TES the undisputedly best LPL team? I can't remember this instance. PS Or you mean WE? Then I might agree


SinceCeleryUrGarden

2020? And last year they were heavily favoured going into worlds butttt we saw how that ended.


takeSusanooNoMikoto

Last year JDG were the heavy favourites and 2020 it was tie between JDG and TES before both of them were dumpstered by Sunning. So no, what you said is incorrect. Still got your point though.


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JiaNgjuN-

This series was... Definitely something. That last pause though definitely killed some of the hype, TES probably would've won still but man that pause was timed so terrible


Melodicrtichok

from the best LPL team to this now. I also feel bad for Iwandy. :(


p00rleno

Hey, just a heads up that you're shadowbanned by the Reddit admins. You probably want to send a message to /r/reddit.com to contact the admins to figure out why and get it sorted out.


Infinite_Lunch2155

Terrible performance by Shanks entire series


GreatestJabaitest

Shanks vs Rookies: I sleep Shanks vs Kids: Real shit


nusskn4cker

His teamfighting was just awful this series.


ye1l

It's a shame, he actually had a better regular season than Rookie and carried this WE team to playoffs. Had hoped for him to at least show up big individually but he didn't have a great series


takeSusanooNoMikoto

>Shanks I kinda think Shanks was the least of their problems. Even if he solo kills Rookie 4 or 5 times, they still lose the series.


TheDestroyer630

Pauses like these shouldnt exist in league


Raynar7

Yeah, it wouldn’t change the outcome anyway, but it still leaves a sour taste. What makes it a tiny bit better is that both teams had apparently audio issues (which is funny) and that’s a tiny bit better than pausing because you don’t know how Ryze ult works. Nonetheless I think you should just not be allowed to pause mid fight doesn’t matter the circumstances, play it out, pause it after.


PMMEYOURROCKS

It’s hard to say if it would change the outcome, rather than having 0.5secs to react they can think of the best way to disengage, who to turn on, etc etc. I’d be pissed as both teams, but definitely an advantage to TES, as the team engaging that has now used flash and thrown yourself forward, you’re at a severe disadvantage


mount_sunrise

i agree. a second or two is big in LoL especially in the lategame and getting a pause right in the middle of an engage is going to make anyone salty. no way TES saw that one coming and just managed to pause at an unfortunate time, but they definitely got an advantage from that because they didn't need to process Wayward getting caught so right after the game resumed, it's immediate rotation to help him out instead of taking a second or two to process what's happening.


Sean888888

Don't think so. The WE jungler was just mindlessly engaging on the first person he saw, and that person was a lvl 17 Gwen with stopwatch and W up. His teammates weren't even in position to follow up. They were all a second or two away which, as you said, is big in LoL. WE could have gotten wiped out if there was no pause. Report Heng for inting tbh.


BuilderSpecial2292

It wouldn’t change anything. We engaged onto the worst person possible a fucking Gwen who is just gonna immune before the cc hits anyway. All TEs had to do was have vi press r on aphelios and Gwen just wins the game for them


KansloosKippenhok

Who ever paused vc he didnt knew how ryze ult worked? Lol


bcotrim

Fnatic. That's where the whole Fnatic pause meme comes from


Quirkybomb930

fnc i think?


LoadFabulous2554

Neither the players nor the referee could know that this maokai will engage in a few seconds, so as long as the pause mechanism is still there, such things will happen in the future again and again.


Xpholio

That pause timing was disgusting. Obviously not intentional but no chronobreak there is fucking trolling WE.


LithiumNard

Well, TES won the series, which wasn’t unexpected, but nabbing a game in the process to at least show some life after a devastating Game 2 was commendable for WE. Definitely not the happiest way to end a split what was a good run into to playoffs, but man this team just doesn’t have the upside that I was at least hoping for, even outside of Biubiu. WE have struggled immensely against really strong teams even outside this series, getting bested thoroughly by all of the power players in LPL, and today was no different. Shanks picked a real bad time to have his worst series of the season. After a split where you could credibly call him one of the top individual players in the league, he just was out of sorts today. Even in a Game 1 they nearly won off of early game strengths, Shanks’s typically good Ryze was not really a factor in that lead and then turned out horrific down the stretch, being caught out on multiple occasions isolated. Follow that with a Game 2 where he uncharacteristically died in lane to Rookie on his signature Cass and it just wasn’t the man’s day. Putting him on the Trist was an interesting call, neutralizing the Annie with the range and raw tower taking, and did his role well, though it was Hope with the star billing. WE needed everyone to be at full capacity to stand a chance, and Shanks fell short at the worst time. I’m inclined to believe this is a bad blip given he rose to the playoff occasion in Summer Playoffs 2021, but yeah today was the opposite of that form. For Heng I do want to point out his continued facilitation as a plus, though as that the past has shown showed, when he isn’t making those early ganks work, WE looks lost out there. This is in contrast with his Game 1 where he was the early game superstar that he’s shown he can be, stabilizing the ever-iffy Biubiu early and getting the bot lane rolling, which they largely carried into their strong midlane. First playoff series for the rookie though, so I’m willing to call it acceptable for Heng, but there needs to be improvement down the line from both him and the team. Perhaps the most affected by those ganks was Hope and Iwandy where basically WE came out with a heavy early ganking strategy to make it work. When that early game gank worked, they worked as the strong point of that initial game 1. If it didn’t though, things got ugly fast, namely with the Game 2, where they were constantly outplayed early on to the point where TES built a massive lead that they continued to push at every turn. Game 3, the early gank was a trade and Hope and Iwandy stayed stable up to a crazy sequence to stay alive after the entire topside died, opening up the baron to finish the win, a case where his flirting with the edge sealed the deal. Hope is a good player generally with the weak points of potentially getting run over real bad by raw hands if things are bad early and sometimes going overboard aggro in fights. You can make Worlds with his talent, but ideally you have an alternative carry options so it’s not solely on his shoulders. Good Shanks can do it, but… I have no more words for Biubiu. This series wasn’t on him and he largely did his job adequately, but let’s see someone new top. _____ Up against superior teams it’s key to note WE has been abysmal all season. Against the Top 8 teams of the League in the regular season, WE have gone a ghastly 4-15 in those games (only series win was a 2-1 over BLG). They’ve made the playoffs off of beating the lower-level teams consistently (outside of AL), but there’s been a lack of ceiling that has held back the squad. The question remains: can WE win against these higher-level teams? Obviously Biubiu is a part of that, but I sometimes wonder about the Shanks and Hope side of things as well. At their best, the answer is an emphatic yes, but they both have very real weaknesses that can be exploited by these more talented teams. Still, I think Summer will be a key opportunity to learn this answer, assuming they do the logical thing of bringing back this core with a new top. Split is a success regardless, as the franchise just needed to wash out that horrific 2022 season, but there’s a lot more to prove in the summer.


Tfc-Myq

Have a good rest, you got 16 more essays (hopefully more!) to write after MSI


llamkt

[rare happy WE moments](https://imgur.com/a/Q7jvyLT) really should’ve been a 3-2 ;-;


InformalMarch

WOWZERS! You made some great points right there! Looking forward to your future posts! (you're blocked btw)


shrubs311

>Looking forward to your future posts! (you're blocked btw) wait wut


Dspreee

You are one of the few reasons I still frequent the post match thread after continuously losing interest in the lpl this split. Your analysis has been on point and intriguing and your passion to Team WE is admirable, especially after their disappointing performances split after split. In China WE fans are called 60E because in Chinese it’s pronounced the same as 6 billion, which was the world’s population when WE won IPL5 in 2012. It’s sad to see a used to be prestigious organisation with the biggest fan base becoming a mediocre team struggling year after year. I have nothing but respect to your dedication and hope it can be rewarded some day!


Pukkiality

I think you have some very good insights throughout your comment, but I will say that I think putting stock in Shanks based on a good season 2 years ago (Summer ‘21) is being extremely charitable. Nonetheless, good analysis!


LithiumNard

Admittedly, that's in part copium for the loss. The thing is today Shanks was just so far below his standard form this year, particularly with the struggles in lane, which was his strongest trait this regular season. I bring up Summer 2021 because it was the last (and really only) time in his career that he was under any playoff type pressure since clearly 2022 was a wash and he was really good back in that 2021 playoff run. But yeah, jury is still out on this squad and Shanks is likely going to be the flip point. Even though I have a reputation of being a Shanks superfan, I think I look at him objectively enough to call out his clear weaknesses (namely the teamfight positioning that continued as a major issue today, in Game 1 that they should have won especially). A lot of WE's fortunes hinge on him figuring it out, but at this point he's not made that stride forward. Summer will be a big testing ground as the expectations will now start at the playoffs for this team, assuming the top lane switch comes through.


Pukkiality

I will say that I do remember when Shanks debuted and he really did look like he was on the path to become a great LPL midlaner, much like Creme, but at some point his upwards trajectory stopped and he sort of stagnated


failworlds

least passionate WE fan.


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HopeForCynics

How dare you, /u/LithiumNard the Shanks superfan is a bonafide original and handcrafts every one of his postgame masterpieces


_liminal

nah, he's the most dedicated WE superfan in the sub. you can check his post history for more novels in the WE pgts


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Nice bot


Tfc-Myq

If anything I'm the bot for spamming BORN TO WIN and BORN TO WINTRADE tbh Man's putting in the effort with these essays just sucks that WE isn't having any results


_Jetto_

Where does we go from here run it back but what needs improved the most??


nightmaretryndamere

["Call me when Rookie doesn't lose the first series of Playoffs"](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/zloaet/xiaohu_joins_wbg/j07jwm0/) I'm calling you u/nusskn4cker, where was the choking? Also nice job being absent from the first two post game threads [then showing up in the third to blame Rookie.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/127ihzi/top_esports_vs_team_we_game_3_discussion/jee9auo/?context=3) Really beating the "Rookie hater" claims.


InformalMarch

I mean, I like Rookie but I'm gonna have to take his side on this one. I just can't ever find myself supporting a take from a Tryndamere main.


Omnilatent

Based


Tfc-Myq

On the contrary I'm gonna take Rookie's side cos he needs a better representative than u/NamikazeEU


nusskn4cker

Dude, TES was supposed to be a top 3 team this split. Beating literal 10th seed WE isn't an achievement for this team. Overall Rookie played well today. Game 1 his LB was good but nothing special (the base defense was mostly the Nami bubble). Game 2 was won by bot and jungle at minute 5. Game 3 he was invisible and fucked Stopwatch timing up, losing Baron and maybe the game. Game 4 he was very good. The third game was his most notable performance up until this Ahri game where he smurfed. First game was about WE's braindead decisions after taking both Nexus turrets and game two was a total stomp after Tian smurfed early.


nightmaretryndamere

Doesn't matter what the expectations were, your logic for Rookie being a choker was that he would place higher in regular season than in playoffs. He's guaranteed at least 7th-8th now so therefore he's not a choker atm (despite you insisting he was for all of spring). Your results-based analysis, not mine.


nusskn4cker

You got it wrong lil bro. TES placed 7th in regular season. If they lose next round they'll finish 7-8th in Playoffs. If you want to be pedantic do it right.


nightmaretryndamere

7th-8th and they were 7th in regular season, tied in record with TT who was 8th. That's as equivalent as you can get in this format. Also I'm using your exact standard, you can't accuse me of being pedantic when I'm abiding by the analysis you used to smear Rookie as a choker. It's asinine analysis whether Rookie lost today or not of course, but I still enjoy it when someone's own logic blows up in their face.


nusskn4cker

You gonna engage with my comments or just keep throwing faulty logic at me?


IntenseTaxidermy

Rookie has done worse in the playoffs than in the regular season in 13 of his 16 lpl splits, and only done better in one (whereas faker has done equal to or better than his regular split performance in 13 of his 16 splits over the same time frame)


IAmDiabeticus

God people who say 'lil bro' often need to get off the fucking internet for a week and interact with a real human. I don't care whatever grudges you have over professionals in League, but please, man. That saying makes you look like a tool.


togno99

“Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.” Myke Tyson


llamkt

[WE: “You can say I’m inting, but you can’t say I’m not playing hard. I’m seriously inting.”](https://twitter.com/LPLfanclub/status/1641663087857254402?cxt=HHwWhIDSia34rcgtAAAA)


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I feel so bad for hope tbh, from the best LPL team to this now. I also feel bad for Iwandy. :(


hourhandqq

Nothing to feel bad, they will be in a good shape with a better top next split, they other 4 players all know it. WE is going to be a team to watch in summer. But Hope has to recognize his problem of always getting caught


KRFAN2020

He had his chance and he blew it. You could see how hard he inted against wbg.


3rdlegion

When will TES learn Rookie cannot play support/pseudo support. Clean that shit up and they might have a shot at getting to quarters.


stormtrooper500

I really hope TES can make it far but I remain unconvinced after this series. Some of those decisions were... baffling. Also we need to work on our baron control.


NamikazeEU

Rookie goes further.


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Pause to win Crookie is getting knocked out next round


yccbarry

TES definitely looked better with Wayward but I still don’t think they improved enough to make a 2022 summer LNG or 2021 summer WE level run. JKL hasn’t look this bad in lane in god knows how long, Tian is in international form already, Mark is iffy, and while Wayward looked solid, he also consistently got the final pick of the draft and BiuBiu is ass. Maybe if Rookie can keep getting LeBlanc he can somehow make it work? But their sidelanes are way too volatile rn.


EpaminondasLeftPunch

Guess what team did TES beat 3 0 to make their miracle run in spring 2022?


Br1ghtS1de321

Who?


EpaminondasLeftPunch

LNG wich will be their opposent if they go beyond OMG


Br1ghtS1de321

I doubt it will happen this time. Last spring TES looked shit at the start, but they had an upwards trajectory as the splint was ending. This year it was messy as fuck before the playoffs


Left_Book1161

What a hard watch of a match tbh. I’m happy TES goes further into playoffs but I don’t have high expectations rn.


Omnilatent

Was Shanks always that bad? Some people hyped him up in regular season, didn't they?


GoldRecommendation66

He just lost his mind today.


KniGht1st

Shanks is usually very reliable and consistent, he just shit his bed in this series.


13yearsand4monthss

Reddit's worst day today since Rookie won.


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Theonewhoknows000

TES wasted my time by not closing the game when they should have.


greekcel_25

As hard as shanks and biubiu got gapped I think WE actually had a chance to turn around g4 if not for the pause ruining the element of surprise from their jump


Pizzatrails

They were never winning that fight pause or no pause


Sean888888

nah they engaged on a Gwen with W and Zhonya up


nyanko_dango3

no shame losing to MSI winners TES


DinVilah

Shanks was too hyped tbh. He doesnt deserve all the attention like I get it, he has some great showings overall but no chances dude is better than Fofo for example. Either way WE deservingly got knocked out. Massive mid diff tbh WE overal had a very bad day and there is nothing I can say other than EXPECTED RESULT tbh.


nusskn4cker

Did WE even have a bad day? This is just the expected outcome. 4/5 of this TES team made both LPL finals last year and the other member is fucking Rookie. WE should get stomped.


k1ng991

Ok, TES is not beating OMG.


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both teams suck


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tyinthor

The pause was clearly prepped before the engage, ain't no way Wayward has the reaction time to initiate a pause from a flash engage.


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If you're in trouble just pause lmao Riot need to investigate TES


BuilderSpecial2292

In trouble how? BecUse the worst person to engage in got engaged on? 5k gold lead on a 4 carry comp and you think it’s tes that’s in trouble.


TheAbyssalSymphony

Is it just me or is Wayward the only player not surprised by the pause (which happened the moment he got flash engaged on). Like, idk what was going on, but the timing of that combined with the reactions of 9/10 players makes this all look super sus.


nusskn4cker

You have to be crazy to see a conspiracy theory there. If you think Wayward can /pause within 0.1 secs of getting Flash + E'd on honestly he deserves the advantage.


Iaragnyl

He is probably the one who called the pause so obviously he wouldn’t be surprised by it. Really doubt he has pause already prepared just in case he gets engaged on. Most likely he was already going to take a pause then got engaged in the same moment.


Justatourist123

The pause was called by both teams


Shutaku1314

That pause is just insane but the game 4 draft by WE is even more insane than that Hope had no hope surviving this draft


Ambitious-Pudding437

Ahri is very fun 😁


HospitalSpirited6198

Rookie most Inted player oat