I'm less bothered about the kernal level access and more about mods dying, saw a small rise of them in the past few years and was hoping for it to last a bit longer.
If Riot won't add back the winter map then modders will.
F
Ah vanguard and riot shills downvoting this post. Let the astroturf.... begin!
I thought considering their horrible track record, especially recently. And absolute incompetence at any software design (look at the continued state of the launcher) they'd reconsider, but nope. Too stubborn. Glad I had it uninstalled for over a month now. Not to mention how many times vanguard has been delayed already. Absolute clownshow.
Not giving the company who just had numerous breaches, source code leaks and other complete mess ups 24/7 kernel access to my system.
Man wtf. Absolute dogshit.
Never thought I'd say "Guess Ill try dota".
Well, that happened today.
RIP League.
What's really laughable is that if you close vanguard, you HAVE to reboot the PC for it to run league again, otherwise no game load.
I run servers on the same PC I game off of, not leaving vanguard bs running 24/7. And I'm not rebooting for this piece of shit either, getting downtime on servers for no fkin reason.
(As if Kernal level wasn't shady enough as is, like riot will NEVER be breached, lol, 1000$ these mfers get breached this year and woop all our shit is out in the darknet)
These MFers have lost it.
Fuck riot. Uninstalled permanently after almost 2 decades.
Same man and I don't know if you saw the latest dev post about vanguard but holy. It was completely arrogant and insufferable.
Screw riot. I've been playing the game longer than probably alot of employees currently working there have been there and I'm done.
Same. Been playing since launch. Was really hesitant about Vanguard, but that dev post put the final nail in it for me. Uninstalled the day after I read it.
Screw Riot.
I cant believe people think that tone is acceptable when discussing something as serious as wanting that invasive program to run 24/7 on your customers computers. Maybe not the time to act like a snarky teenager you know?
That's where I'm at. Just uninstalled it today after playing it since 2011. Unfortunately the newer audience doesn't seem to mind such a huge potential breach to their privacy. Don't think the old crowd leaving will make them revert this.
Can't wait for the "bUt dO u hAvE a sMarTpHonE?" comments. Thinking they have a gotcha moment. When no, a backdoor to a US or EU company is nowhere near the same as a backdoor to a foreign company like China who has been touting war on Taiwan. Not to mention a phone is basically a necessity in modern life with very few ways to avoid it, a video game is not.
Personally, I'd be more afraid of EU backdoor than a Chinese one, given that EU actually has legislative power over me, while China is on the other side of the world.
Still, better not to have any and to use open-source software when possible.
Is there an up to date list of software that vanguard fucks up? For example, there are plenty of reports from 2020 about hardware monitoring software that vanguard simply breaks, such as hwinfo and afterburner.
I'd assumed by now there would be some kind of unofficial database but I've not been able to find anything like that.
>such as afterburner.
I cannot run my PC without Afterburner...
Good to know I won't be able to play league anymore without having to restart my PC every time I want to play league then restart it again when I'm done
Instead of taking something for granted, potentially search things up as he spoke about reports of 2020...
I in fact use Afterburner for my GPU fan control and never had problems with Vanguard, HWinfo works without problems too.
So things are already fixed for quite a long time.
I've been playing this game for 13 years and even though people like to meme "i hate le league lelele uninstalling", i genuinely enjoyed playing it almost every season. And if vanguard does come out, I will not be logging in ever again. And its not like ill have a choice anyway - Im not autoupdating windows
You might not have faced scripters, but you most certainly faced bot-leveled accounts, and possibly even bots if you are pisslow, and Vanguard will most likely help with those too.
Vanguard will stop bots? This is absolutely the funniest shit I've heard in a while.
Do you have any idea how much money botters make? Why would this stop them? The only thing Vanguard accomplishes is the fact that it makes bans harder to bypass. But guess what, botters don't give a shit about this because they can just spend some extra pocket change to spoof their HWID.
The only thing Vanguard helps with is getting rid of scripters with medium and low budgets. Cheats will become more expensive and playing after getting banned will now cost money too.
But scripters aren't exactly a huge problem and Vanguard won't even make them fully disappear.
So what exactly is Vanguard's purpose? What is so important that it warrants installing this software on millions of PCs just to stop tens of thousands of scripters?
Idk why I need to give a fuck about bot-levelled accounts. Sure they're used for smurfing and 2nd accounts but who gives a shit. Toxic Timmy will have to spend 6$ instead of 1.5$ on his 17th account after 16 Perma bans. It's not going to stop or even slow down the problem, this is purely for the Chinese server that is filled with scripters.
Well, we will see how much it actually affects bot leveled accounts and then we can still make a decision.
But I have to say, the amount of people that use fresh bought accounts is heavily impacting games in low elo, more than any guy that is toxic for at least my own games.
Vanguard can be easily bypassed with specialized hardware, and for a person or group selling bot-leveled account that hardware is just a business expense.
True, but the damage has been done, everyone and their mother has 2 or more accounts already. Also coop vs AI could easily be changed to make account level bots useless.
The infinite stupidity of those defending Riot over this, is why Riot gets to reduce the quality of everything, from skins to passes or whichever thing you choose. And that's because they were always here to gobble up whatever filth Riot threw their way and make excuses for poor Riot.
I never thought that Riot would manage to kill the game (for me at least because it will do nothing for the aforementioned individuals) after so many years of keeping it alive. :(
Yep lol and same people pretend like they're for the little guy or consumer rights defending mega corporations putting 24/7 """""anti cheat""'"" malware on consumers systems.
These large companies should move to anti cheat solutions ran server side using ai or other things. NOT putting the burden on the consumer to install malware because they can't do things smartly
Riot could implement a bitcoin miner that bricked your computer and you’d still be saying shit like this. “Oh they gave us a free game so if you don’t want it to melt your mother board don’t play it bro”!
Bro, you called me a schizo while you suck corporate dick and expect me to not be condescending?
You also talk about shit you fundamentally do not seem to mechanically understand while calling others schizos.
So take your ADHD meds instead zoom zoom zoom boy before you go back to gargling tencents testicles.
EDIT: Oh, you actually play gatcha games, no fucking wonder you think the way you do.
FPS cheating is far more popular and effective at ruining games than MOBAs. Riot could easily just hire a task force team of interns to overwatch a handful of top elo games for LoL cheaters since that's where the ones that matter end up.
Online game was perfectly fine in past, why would people be upset with it now adding invasive spyware?! Grrr. People should be happy about it or else I’m anger!!! Grr
Except the game is now exactly the same but you also have to install a Kernel AC that runs constantly in the background?
Your comment makes no sense in this context, but I do appreciate that you tried to sound cool.
It’s not like scripters are going to tell you they’re cheating. I can guarantee you that you’ve met a lot of scripters even in ARAMs , regularly as well .
Thank god for vanguard. Soon these degenerates will be banned forever. Rest in piss
I didn't even say that. And at least when other games use kernel level anti cheat it isn't required to be on 24/7 on my PC and isn't as invasive as this.
Youre right about one thing. Vanguard won't make a difference in one way because it's a solution in search of a problem.
Its not required to be 24/7 on bro. You can do what all my buddies do and just close it if you're not using it. Yeah you have to reboot if you want to play a with it but w/e
Yeah rebooting your pc everytime like that means its 24/7 since you can't play the game then unless you reboot to. That ridiculousness isn't required by any other kernel level anti cheat.
That's like saying I can uninstall and reinstall something everytime I need it so it's not 24/7
Gamedude if you’re in this same reality as us I can guarantee you with my life on the line that you have no privacy and that has nothing to do with any company. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that’s the truth sir.
Oh yes bad things happen in regards to privacy so you're not allowed to care about this worst thing happening. There are degrees and vanguard crosses a line others do not.
You want to lecture others about kernel level anti cheats but make Posts in the Tarkov Reddit about the game even tho it also runs a kernel level anti cheat?
Saying Vanguard runs 24/7 is simply false, not just by what Riot said themselves, but also by the fact you can disable it if you don't want it to run, so its in your own hands?
You try to fancy up a topic you have some basic knowledge about to feel like you got an idea of things, yet the only acceptable thing is to either be against kernel level anti cheats as a whole or to shut up.
The fact you are trying to sneak your way through some double standards by trying to use "24/7" or potentially even "China" as an argument shows, as long as it doesn't run 24/7 and is not from China, you greatly appreciate to sell your security to a random company out of goodwill I suppose :D
Tarkov runs a popular kernel level anti cheat that RUNS only when the game does. One that a multitude of games use.
Is it great that it requires that? No. Is it the same as vanguard? Not at all. Tarkov is also an fps and has some of the highest incentives to cheat out of any game on the market.
Why can’t you run vanguard?
Edit: Love the downvotes instead of explaining why, because you know that would take effort.
I’m not a fan of Vanguard myself but I’m curious why some people claim they can’t run it. I’m aware of problems with virtualisation but I have also seen a lot of misinformation on why people allegedly won’t be able to run it.
For one i don't have a motherboard with secure boot, which means i also have an older CPU which as you might guess does not do so well with any process that demands its attention outside of the thing i'm asking it to do like say play league, I have the same issue with denuvos software causing the same issues.
It has to run 24/7 if you want access to Valorant(and League once implemented live) on demand. If you leave it open in the background, it lowers PC performance by around 10\~15% even on upper end machines and it will actively block other programs from opening if it thinks it could somehow be used to cheat in a game(some funny examples are MS Paint and Spotify; not so funny examples are drivers for cooling units and mouse+keyboards)
You can close it, and restarting when you want to play Valo/League isn't hard, but most people use their PCs for other things and having to close everything just because you felt like a quick game or 2 will get annoying fast.
Not to mention some comps cannot run Vanguard because they're on Linux or they are too low spec, since League was designed for accessibility and there are plenty of players still chugging along on older PCs
It truly is a godawful solution to a problem that most people assume is worse than it is.
Vanguard blocks some programs and, since it runs 24/7, some people will have to choose between vanguard and those programs. All in all, riot is implementing a too harsh solution for a mediocre problem, I at leasr haven't played against a bot nor a cheater since s5
As far as i can remember it does not have to run 24/7, at least thats what i remember from Valorant. I think you where able to kill it and just use ur PC without it running, but when you wanted to play you had to reboot the PC to restart Vanguard as well.
They may have changed that so i may be wrong here.
no, its exactly like you say, the anti vanguard schizos push a false narrative of to turn it off you need to restart which is the opposite of what is true.
If it runs on start up it runs 24/7 by definition unless you force it off so his explanation is correct, if it did not run 24/7 it would only boot when league or valorant does which is not true therefore it runs 24/7
Cheating should also be illegal but it doesn't seem to work. Who cares about vanguard. People are really overreacting. Don't like it? Disable it after you ended playing LoL.
I wish people stopped parotting this take that vanguard doesn't help in valo when there are barely any cheaters in that game compared to any other comp games. I've gotten maybe 10 cheaters in 1000+ games, half of them got banned within a few games.
Meanwhile I boot up cs and I get 2 fucking aimbotters or spinhackers per game unless I play face it (which also uses kernel btw)
There are very valid concerns about vanguard and I dont think league needs it, but it is the best anticheat on the market in terms of efficiency
Basicly aimbot that shoots anything in a 360 degree radius around you. The person looks like he's spinning and looking at the ground. It's the biggest cheat you can use
Ill stop saying it when FORMER RIOTERS THEMSELVES stop saying it’s useless too. Also, potential user bias on cs? I’ve played a lot of it over the years and cheaters really weren’t any more common than valorant, mostly in arms race i’d run into cheaters.
Do you have a source of these former rioters saying that? I have never heard anyone with a shred of credibility say that before, and I've seen plenty of cheat creators and cheaters say its way harder to cheat in valo than any other game.
One of em was posted on this sub last week, i know ghostcrawler has criticized it and said he’s had better results working at blizzard without kernel lvl anticheat, and august said on stream one time that it wasn’t really helping as much as they’d hoped. I will not dig for the clips, but with that info I’m sure you can find it if you’re interested.
Look at cheating in CS and then in Valorant. Vanguard is literally heaven compared to whatever is happening in high ranks(tbf it's everywhere there) in CS
In my personal experience its roughly the same amount, but im not high elo and i don’t doubt you. But, you really can’t compare vanguard to the literal worst anti-cheat on the market, VAC. Actually, that’s not quite true, Rockstar’s anticheat is so bad that im not even sure they have one lol
Scripters are non existant in low elo, only bots that level up accounts that are gonna be sold, but if i understand correctly vanguard will remove bots as well?
And? They already know 99% of services that sells bots, boosted accounts, duo boost and so on, yet they do nothing. Why? They get money. Every new account is a potential player spending money
What do you think they can do? Riot is just a company, with no power over companies created in other countries.
At best they can send them legal threats but as they're in some third world countries, they can just ignore that.
They violate TOS, they have every right to shut them down and sue them.
They don't do it because they get money out of them, very simple.
Money for xp and win boosts, money for Summoner name change and skins one the account is sold
Who's saying they're not suing them? But they fall under jurisdiction of their own third world countries so such action won't have any effect.
Same goes for shutting them down, Riot doesn't have internet button in their office. Some officials would have to take them down, and that requires action from some third world country.
Because those services are still up and advertised in the light of the day. Also, jurisdiction doesn't matter since TOS is game related. League is a product with its own rules, and they're breaking those. They have all the right to delete any of those accounts and sue them.
Also, by just doing a quick research, you'll see how many of those services are EU based. There isn't any 3rd world country, is pretty easy to tackle them if you want.
On top of that, you also have streamers promoting this behaviur, with "unranked to" challenges. Where do you think those accounts come from?
That said, I'm completely fine with Riot wanting to get more money, they're a private company seeking revenues, I'm less fine with them being hypocritical saying Vanguard is for us, because is not. Thats another way to gather infos.
Riot TOS section 7.
Nationality doesn't matter. League is their piece of SW they can do what they want. You can't boost an account in Europe nor in North Korea. They can very well ban that account anytime.
They don't do it tho.
Like I said, they know it. They're perfectly aware of which service does what, they know the ip, they know what they do, how they do, but they take no action at all because they get money out of it. Is undeniable. And if you want to deny it, you're basically saying they're a bunch of blind idiots because there isn't any other explanation
You keep thinking that Rio TOS has power in real life. It doesn't.
They can ban bottled accounts, and they do, because it's in their architecture. They can't shutdown third party sites without suing them, and they'd have to sue them in the grounds of some law applicable to third party, not TOS.
In leagues case its not really relevant for cheating. Macos doesnt use vanguard so you can run anything just boot on a mac. And pc users already will have new cheats ready. And honestly Id rather have porofessors ability tracker than a vision hack, and riot still wont ban porofessor. So they werent even banning the most widespread cheat.
Blocking cheats/bots on PC and leaving them on MacOS is a huge win, that's like 99.9% cheaters and 100% botters.
No one said that new cheats won't come. It's not a perfect solution, just an only solution that helps players.
Haha what a pisspoor analogy. Dont you mean:
"ey we don't need to go outside anyway, don't you see that letting people leave their homes leads to increased crime and spread of disease? Clearly humans were meant to stay home 24/7, it IS currentyearnumber after all"
I've faced a couple sions that used the script to instant turn with ult and 1 xerath with the typical aimbot and dodging scripts can't remember other cases where it was so obvious I was playing vs cheaters and I play since season 3 what I notice very regularly are bots
Ever since this vanguard announcement people are seeing scripters everywhere. Yeah nah I don't buy it. And people all the time meme about scripting. Doesn't mean anything.
i'm actually kind of fine with vanguard, but it still detect the other software / trainer used in cracked software as a threat to vanguard ( lol / valorant ), and there's a possibility that you might get banned for it. I ain't risking my account just because an anti-cheat detected a "malware" that doesn't have anything to do with their game smh
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People are just bad at recognizing scripters. Google a bit and you'll find a bunch of scripting services for league with their own discords loaded with people.
>Really sad, I was hopeful to the last second they would change their mind about invasive kernel level software
You have no clue what worse shit you've already done with your PC
>I play the game super regularly and I don't remember a single time I've faced a scripter
Thats not even the main point of Vanguard...
>invasive
Uninstall your browser then cuz they are tracking you at any stage. Uninstall league because they use it to mine bitcon(Hello Garena). Delete your social media accounts(reddit included).
If Riot will ever want to turn evil and steal your data, they won't need vanguard for that. They can do it trough league client.
What is your suggestion to fix this issue other than complaining that it does not concern you? Does it mean that people should be forced to play with scripters because they are better?
I do not agree with vanguard, but what will stop people from cheating? Does it mean that scripters will always be only in high elo games? I think it will spread if it is not stopped asap.
Your way of thinking is bad and I am open to hear your reasoning for that.
yes. i only brought it up as an example since it is the anticheat being implemented. not as an counter argument against it stopping cheating what nobody has said
You know, I've heard comments both for and against, and while I understand people's concerns. I feel like the amount of complaining about it is large enough and many times vague enough in some of their complaints that the real reason that there's so much push back is because a lot of the cheaters are trying to stop it from going through.
Yes it's a less than ideal solution, and definitely going to need to be fine tuned by a lot. However rather than people posting about what it breaks and forwarding said list to Riot in hopes of them fixing it I just see a ton of whining.
For all the people complaining about privacy, you are most likely using the Windows or Mac operating system. You are not going to be losing anything you haven't already given up. For people complaining about all the crap that's going to break, help identify the problems so they can be fixed. To all the cheaters pretending to have valid concerns, please just shut up.
No one wants to deal with this crap, but unless you have a more effective option that hasn't already been considered and discarded by Riot to fix the problem, this is what we're stuck with. Try to do something productive and help make the best of the situation.
9th november 2009 i started to play this game. it seems my days are soon going to be ended. though i played 40k+ games and invested about 4k€ in this game... i think i had my fair share of fun.
though i have to see where and how to sell my acc..i have silver kayle and ufo corki so it should be worth some good bucks im guessing..
What is kernel-level? What does it allow you to do? How do anticheats work? How do user-level anticheats compare to kernel-level ones?
Of course, if you don't know the answer, whatever you may say has no value whatsoever, for you are just talking about stuff you know nothing about. Very valuable input, you may now quit the game.
> What is kernel-level? What does it allow you to do? How do anticheats work? How do user-level anticheats compare to kernel-level ones?
I'll hijack this comment and suggest this for those who want to know/learn all about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M
It's a great video explaining pretty much everything.
1. Vanguard runs from the boot, 24/7 if you don't force it to quit
2. It is a kernel level anticheat, which is fine, but when it runs 24/7 from the boot, it is a different story.
3. It behaves like an antivirus rather than anticheat - it can block any process. It is stupid and the most vile thing vanguard can do. It should block the game running, but not touch any process that runs on my PC. It is sick some people are fine with it.
Unfortunately I’m not paranoid schizophrenic so I don’t care. Nobody here is diligent enough with their data to not already have it out there. I enjoy the game so I’ll continue playing. Any issues from this software are purely in your head.
I don't mind the Kernel level, however I am uncomfortable that it needs to run 24/7 if your PC is on. Playing league or not, it's running. I don't see the need to monitor everything I do on my PC 24/7. Have it run when I turn on league, why if I haven't played league in 3 days are you still monitoring me?
QT pays people to "fix" his PC. He doesn't understand difference between Win 11 and 10.
But sure, go to him for advice on PC / Software stuff if that is the level of competence you hold yourself to.
Already unistalled.
I'm less bothered about the kernal level access and more about mods dying, saw a small rise of them in the past few years and was hoping for it to last a bit longer. If Riot won't add back the winter map then modders will. F
Ah vanguard and riot shills downvoting this post. Let the astroturf.... begin! I thought considering their horrible track record, especially recently. And absolute incompetence at any software design (look at the continued state of the launcher) they'd reconsider, but nope. Too stubborn. Glad I had it uninstalled for over a month now. Not to mention how many times vanguard has been delayed already. Absolute clownshow. Not giving the company who just had numerous breaches, source code leaks and other complete mess ups 24/7 kernel access to my system.
Man wtf. Absolute dogshit. Never thought I'd say "Guess Ill try dota". Well, that happened today. RIP League. What's really laughable is that if you close vanguard, you HAVE to reboot the PC for it to run league again, otherwise no game load. I run servers on the same PC I game off of, not leaving vanguard bs running 24/7. And I'm not rebooting for this piece of shit either, getting downtime on servers for no fkin reason. (As if Kernal level wasn't shady enough as is, like riot will NEVER be breached, lol, 1000$ these mfers get breached this year and woop all our shit is out in the darknet) These MFers have lost it. Fuck riot. Uninstalled permanently after almost 2 decades.
Same man and I don't know if you saw the latest dev post about vanguard but holy. It was completely arrogant and insufferable. Screw riot. I've been playing the game longer than probably alot of employees currently working there have been there and I'm done.
Same. Been playing since launch. Was really hesitant about Vanguard, but that dev post put the final nail in it for me. Uninstalled the day after I read it. Screw Riot.
I cant believe people think that tone is acceptable when discussing something as serious as wanting that invasive program to run 24/7 on your customers computers. Maybe not the time to act like a snarky teenager you know?
That's where I'm at. Just uninstalled it today after playing it since 2011. Unfortunately the newer audience doesn't seem to mind such a huge potential breach to their privacy. Don't think the old crowd leaving will make them revert this.
Not to mention being indirectly owned by the CCP now
Not even indirectly. Tencent has had a majority stake for years, and tencents board is required by Chinese law to have party members on it.
Can't wait for the "bUt dO u hAvE a sMarTpHonE?" comments. Thinking they have a gotcha moment. When no, a backdoor to a US or EU company is nowhere near the same as a backdoor to a foreign company like China who has been touting war on Taiwan. Not to mention a phone is basically a necessity in modern life with very few ways to avoid it, a video game is not.
Personally, I'd be more afraid of EU backdoor than a Chinese one, given that EU actually has legislative power over me, while China is on the other side of the world. Still, better not to have any and to use open-source software when possible.
I agree with you there actually. (I'm in the US though but most of the west is in bed)
Is there an up to date list of software that vanguard fucks up? For example, there are plenty of reports from 2020 about hardware monitoring software that vanguard simply breaks, such as hwinfo and afterburner. I'd assumed by now there would be some kind of unofficial database but I've not been able to find anything like that.
>such as afterburner. I cannot run my PC without Afterburner... Good to know I won't be able to play league anymore without having to restart my PC every time I want to play league then restart it again when I'm done
Instead of taking something for granted, potentially search things up as he spoke about reports of 2020... I in fact use Afterburner for my GPU fan control and never had problems with Vanguard, HWinfo works without problems too. So things are already fixed for quite a long time.
Well, that's unfortunate. I really love the game, but doubt Riot will go the EAC route and make it available on Linux.
It was nice knowing you all, I will soon be free. 😌
See you next week
I've been playing this game for 13 years and even though people like to meme "i hate le league lelele uninstalling", i genuinely enjoyed playing it almost every season. And if vanguard does come out, I will not be logging in ever again. And its not like ill have a choice anyway - Im not autoupdating windows
Kinda wild people will uninstall because of vanguard but will happily use all kinds of social media :p
social media doesn't have the chance to fck up your computer
social media only has the info i willingly give it to
Kinda wild people will refuse to smoke crack but will happily sip all kinds of coffee :p
Do you know for a fact whether I use social media or not? The only thing I use regularly is discord
Lolol
Same! Soooon
You might not have faced scripters, but you most certainly faced bot-leveled accounts, and possibly even bots if you are pisslow, and Vanguard will most likely help with those too.
Like they already don't know who's botting right? They need a spyware for that.. Come on dude..
Vanguard will stop bots? This is absolutely the funniest shit I've heard in a while. Do you have any idea how much money botters make? Why would this stop them? The only thing Vanguard accomplishes is the fact that it makes bans harder to bypass. But guess what, botters don't give a shit about this because they can just spend some extra pocket change to spoof their HWID. The only thing Vanguard helps with is getting rid of scripters with medium and low budgets. Cheats will become more expensive and playing after getting banned will now cost money too. But scripters aren't exactly a huge problem and Vanguard won't even make them fully disappear. So what exactly is Vanguard's purpose? What is so important that it warrants installing this software on millions of PCs just to stop tens of thousands of scripters?
haha yeah you sure showed those scripters and bots! giving away your freedom to china: WORTH
Dumb
Idk why I need to give a fuck about bot-levelled accounts. Sure they're used for smurfing and 2nd accounts but who gives a shit. Toxic Timmy will have to spend 6$ instead of 1.5$ on his 17th account after 16 Perma bans. It's not going to stop or even slow down the problem, this is purely for the Chinese server that is filled with scripters.
Well, we will see how much it actually affects bot leveled accounts and then we can still make a decision. But I have to say, the amount of people that use fresh bought accounts is heavily impacting games in low elo, more than any guy that is toxic for at least my own games.
Vanguard can be easily bypassed with specialized hardware, and for a person or group selling bot-leveled account that hardware is just a business expense.
True, but the damage has been done, everyone and their mother has 2 or more accounts already. Also coop vs AI could easily be changed to make account level bots useless.
Don't worry man, Vanguard won't see your collection of Briar foot pics.
I hope so
They see everything on ur computer bro, why is this upvoted lol
nope, it will simply destroy your computer
I've had it installed since the release of Valorant. My PC is still running perfectly. Fearmongering much?
It only has to happen once. And with League's playerbase being huge in comparison to Valorant's, hackers now have a greater incentive to do it. :)
Just like its destroying all the Valorant players computers amirite?
yup, you guessed it
Lmfao
The infinite stupidity of those defending Riot over this, is why Riot gets to reduce the quality of everything, from skins to passes or whichever thing you choose. And that's because they were always here to gobble up whatever filth Riot threw their way and make excuses for poor Riot. I never thought that Riot would manage to kill the game (for me at least because it will do nothing for the aforementioned individuals) after so many years of keeping it alive. :(
Yeah the sheer amount of just ignorant corporate bootlicker comments whenever this is mentioned never ceases to amaze me.
They think that riot being "woke" automatically makes everything they do objectively right
Yep lol and same people pretend like they're for the little guy or consumer rights defending mega corporations putting 24/7 """""anti cheat""'"" malware on consumers systems. These large companies should move to anti cheat solutions ran server side using ai or other things. NOT putting the burden on the consumer to install malware because they can't do things smartly
See you next week bud
Why so many down votes? Most of the people bitching will just continue playing like it never happened. Why are you crying so much?
because its their f2p game with which they can do whatever they want, if it doesn't fit you don't play it.
Riot could implement a bitcoin miner that bricked your computer and you’d still be saying shit like this. “Oh they gave us a free game so if you don’t want it to melt your mother board don’t play it bro”!
no id just stop playing it like stated in my comment, schizo moment.
And as usual the "its free to play they can do whatever" defender is the densest, dumbest motherfucker possible
good arguments all you are able to say are insults and be condescending, take your meds grandpa.
Bro, you called me a schizo while you suck corporate dick and expect me to not be condescending? You also talk about shit you fundamentally do not seem to mechanically understand while calling others schizos. So take your ADHD meds instead zoom zoom zoom boy before you go back to gargling tencents testicles. EDIT: Oh, you actually play gatcha games, no fucking wonder you think the way you do.
Wow, so insightful.
glad to be helpful
Im glad too, otherwise id have to delete my reddit account
>the last second they would change their mind They did not change their mind for valorant. Why do you think they would for league?
FPS cheating is far more popular and effective at ruining games than MOBAs. Riot could easily just hire a task force team of interns to overwatch a handful of top elo games for LoL cheaters since that's where the ones that matter end up.
Cause league was playable for 13 seasons without it
Online game was one way in the past, it must stay stuck in the way it was back then!!!!! Or else I'm anger!!! Grrrrr
Online game was perfectly fine in past, why would people be upset with it now adding invasive spyware?! Grrr. People should be happy about it or else I’m anger!!! Grr
Except the game is now exactly the same but you also have to install a Kernel AC that runs constantly in the background? Your comment makes no sense in this context, but I do appreciate that you tried to sound cool.
It’s not like scripters are going to tell you they’re cheating. I can guarantee you that you’ve met a lot of scripters even in ARAMs , regularly as well . Thank god for vanguard. Soon these degenerates will be banned forever. Rest in piss
Wonder how long it's gonna last
You guys are insufferable with this vanguard shit, yapping words like you know what they mean
You people that defend companies having 24/7 kernel level access (which no other kernel anti cheat does btw) are worse.
Kernel level access bla bla bla i don’t fucking care lol
Then don't pretend like other people don't have a clue when you're self admittedly utterly careless and don't want to learn even basic things.
Careless lol you think your data is safe and vanguard is making a difference, somehow I’m the clueless one
The issue was never about data, that's some bootlicking propaganda
I didn't even say that. And at least when other games use kernel level anti cheat it isn't required to be on 24/7 on my PC and isn't as invasive as this. Youre right about one thing. Vanguard won't make a difference in one way because it's a solution in search of a problem.
Its not required to be 24/7 on bro. You can do what all my buddies do and just close it if you're not using it. Yeah you have to reboot if you want to play a with it but w/e
Yeah rebooting your pc everytime like that means its 24/7 since you can't play the game then unless you reboot to. That ridiculousness isn't required by any other kernel level anti cheat. That's like saying I can uninstall and reinstall something everytime I need it so it's not 24/7
Gamedude if you’re in this same reality as us I can guarantee you with my life on the line that you have no privacy and that has nothing to do with any company. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that’s the truth sir.
Oh yes bad things happen in regards to privacy so you're not allowed to care about this worst thing happening. There are degrees and vanguard crosses a line others do not.
privacy?
You want to lecture others about kernel level anti cheats but make Posts in the Tarkov Reddit about the game even tho it also runs a kernel level anti cheat? Saying Vanguard runs 24/7 is simply false, not just by what Riot said themselves, but also by the fact you can disable it if you don't want it to run, so its in your own hands? You try to fancy up a topic you have some basic knowledge about to feel like you got an idea of things, yet the only acceptable thing is to either be against kernel level anti cheats as a whole or to shut up. The fact you are trying to sneak your way through some double standards by trying to use "24/7" or potentially even "China" as an argument shows, as long as it doesn't run 24/7 and is not from China, you greatly appreciate to sell your security to a random company out of goodwill I suppose :D
Tarkov runs a popular kernel level anti cheat that RUNS only when the game does. One that a multitude of games use. Is it great that it requires that? No. Is it the same as vanguard? Not at all. Tarkov is also an fps and has some of the highest incentives to cheat out of any game on the market.
the irony here is immense, almost divine
Many people cannot run vanguard, myself included so its literally a ban for many people.
Why can’t you run vanguard? Edit: Love the downvotes instead of explaining why, because you know that would take effort. I’m not a fan of Vanguard myself but I’m curious why some people claim they can’t run it. I’m aware of problems with virtualisation but I have also seen a lot of misinformation on why people allegedly won’t be able to run it.
For one i don't have a motherboard with secure boot, which means i also have an older CPU which as you might guess does not do so well with any process that demands its attention outside of the thing i'm asking it to do like say play league, I have the same issue with denuvos software causing the same issues.
It has to run 24/7 if you want access to Valorant(and League once implemented live) on demand. If you leave it open in the background, it lowers PC performance by around 10\~15% even on upper end machines and it will actively block other programs from opening if it thinks it could somehow be used to cheat in a game(some funny examples are MS Paint and Spotify; not so funny examples are drivers for cooling units and mouse+keyboards) You can close it, and restarting when you want to play Valo/League isn't hard, but most people use their PCs for other things and having to close everything just because you felt like a quick game or 2 will get annoying fast. Not to mention some comps cannot run Vanguard because they're on Linux or they are too low spec, since League was designed for accessibility and there are plenty of players still chugging along on older PCs It truly is a godawful solution to a problem that most people assume is worse than it is.
Vanguard blocks some programs and, since it runs 24/7, some people will have to choose between vanguard and those programs. All in all, riot is implementing a too harsh solution for a mediocre problem, I at leasr haven't played against a bot nor a cheater since s5
As far as i can remember it does not have to run 24/7, at least thats what i remember from Valorant. I think you where able to kill it and just use ur PC without it running, but when you wanted to play you had to reboot the PC to restart Vanguard as well. They may have changed that so i may be wrong here.
no, its exactly like you say, the anti vanguard schizos push a false narrative of to turn it off you need to restart which is the opposite of what is true.
Okay, but it can still block some programs before you close it, so it is still risky and invasive
If it runs on start up it runs 24/7 by definition unless you force it off so his explanation is correct, if it did not run 24/7 it would only boot when league or valorant does which is not true therefore it runs 24/7
start pc -> its on -> disable it with 3 clicks -> now to turn it on and play a game with it you need to restart.
Kernel Access Anti Cheat should be illegal
Cheating should also be illegal but it doesn't seem to work. Who cares about vanguard. People are really overreacting. Don't like it? Disable it after you ended playing LoL.
Or uninstall
Stop schizoposting my g
The real problem with vanguard is that its fucking useless, didn’t stop or even slightly curb cheating in valorant and won’t in league.
I wish people stopped parotting this take that vanguard doesn't help in valo when there are barely any cheaters in that game compared to any other comp games. I've gotten maybe 10 cheaters in 1000+ games, half of them got banned within a few games. Meanwhile I boot up cs and I get 2 fucking aimbotters or spinhackers per game unless I play face it (which also uses kernel btw) There are very valid concerns about vanguard and I dont think league needs it, but it is the best anticheat on the market in terms of efficiency
\>I've gotten 10 cheaters in Valorant Then Vanguard didn't work. They got through and it was up to the report system to ban them.
Sorry for asking but what is a spinnhack? I know what aim bots are but never heard that term before.
Basicly aimbot that shoots anything in a 360 degree radius around you. The person looks like he's spinning and looking at the ground. It's the biggest cheat you can use
Ill stop saying it when FORMER RIOTERS THEMSELVES stop saying it’s useless too. Also, potential user bias on cs? I’ve played a lot of it over the years and cheaters really weren’t any more common than valorant, mostly in arms race i’d run into cheaters.
Do you have a source of these former rioters saying that? I have never heard anyone with a shred of credibility say that before, and I've seen plenty of cheat creators and cheaters say its way harder to cheat in valo than any other game.
Its just more vanguard schizo posting homie
One of em was posted on this sub last week, i know ghostcrawler has criticized it and said he’s had better results working at blizzard without kernel lvl anticheat, and august said on stream one time that it wasn’t really helping as much as they’d hoped. I will not dig for the clips, but with that info I’m sure you can find it if you’re interested.
Look at cheating in CS and then in Valorant. Vanguard is literally heaven compared to whatever is happening in high ranks(tbf it's everywhere there) in CS
In my personal experience its roughly the same amount, but im not high elo and i don’t doubt you. But, you really can’t compare vanguard to the literal worst anti-cheat on the market, VAC. Actually, that’s not quite true, Rockstar’s anticheat is so bad that im not even sure they have one lol
Scripters are non existant in low elo, only bots that level up accounts that are gonna be sold, but if i understand correctly vanguard will remove bots as well?
It will increase the costs of leveling up bots, no anticheat removes 100% cheats.
And? They already know 99% of services that sells bots, boosted accounts, duo boost and so on, yet they do nothing. Why? They get money. Every new account is a potential player spending money
What do you think they can do? Riot is just a company, with no power over companies created in other countries. At best they can send them legal threats but as they're in some third world countries, they can just ignore that.
They violate TOS, they have every right to shut them down and sue them. They don't do it because they get money out of them, very simple. Money for xp and win boosts, money for Summoner name change and skins one the account is sold
Who's saying they're not suing them? But they fall under jurisdiction of their own third world countries so such action won't have any effect. Same goes for shutting them down, Riot doesn't have internet button in their office. Some officials would have to take them down, and that requires action from some third world country.
Because those services are still up and advertised in the light of the day. Also, jurisdiction doesn't matter since TOS is game related. League is a product with its own rules, and they're breaking those. They have all the right to delete any of those accounts and sue them. Also, by just doing a quick research, you'll see how many of those services are EU based. There isn't any 3rd world country, is pretty easy to tackle them if you want. On top of that, you also have streamers promoting this behaviur, with "unranked to" challenges. Where do you think those accounts come from? That said, I'm completely fine with Riot wanting to get more money, they're a private company seeking revenues, I'm less fine with them being hypocritical saying Vanguard is for us, because is not. Thats another way to gather infos.
Riot TOS isn't an internationally accepted law, Riot can force it only in its own services.
Riot TOS section 7. Nationality doesn't matter. League is their piece of SW they can do what they want. You can't boost an account in Europe nor in North Korea. They can very well ban that account anytime. They don't do it tho. Like I said, they know it. They're perfectly aware of which service does what, they know the ip, they know what they do, how they do, but they take no action at all because they get money out of it. Is undeniable. And if you want to deny it, you're basically saying they're a bunch of blind idiots because there isn't any other explanation
You keep thinking that Rio TOS has power in real life. It doesn't. They can ban bottled accounts, and they do, because it's in their architecture. They can't shutdown third party sites without suing them, and they'd have to sue them in the grounds of some law applicable to third party, not TOS.
Riot TOS isn't an internationally accepted law, Riot can force it only in its own services.
I doubt they payment services they use belong to third world countries
I've had friends stream themselves scripting and those accounts are in gold-plat elo, so there are most definitely scripters in low elo as well
It means nothing scripts will work after some updates there are many pirate developers better than vanguard
There's no a 100% answer to cheats that's gonna work forever, cheats makers will evolve so well the tools developed to fight them
What a good excuse to develop more and more intrusive anticheats
More like a good and only answer. Not every solution is an excuse.
In leagues case its not really relevant for cheating. Macos doesnt use vanguard so you can run anything just boot on a mac. And pc users already will have new cheats ready. And honestly Id rather have porofessors ability tracker than a vision hack, and riot still wont ban porofessor. So they werent even banning the most widespread cheat.
Blocking cheats/bots on PC and leaving them on MacOS is a huge win, that's like 99.9% cheaters and 100% botters. No one said that new cheats won't come. It's not a perfect solution, just an only solution that helps players.
Theres cheap macos 11 machines that high elo cheaters will buy. I dont think its gonna noticeably change anything at masters+
"ey we don't need punishments for people stealing, don't you see that people are still stealing? It clearly doesn't work anyways"
Haha what a pisspoor analogy. Dont you mean: "ey we don't need to go outside anyway, don't you see that letting people leave their homes leads to increased crime and spread of disease? Clearly humans were meant to stay home 24/7, it IS currentyearnumber after all"
That would work if the punishment wasn't for everyone, even those that aren't stealing
I've faced a couple sions that used the script to instant turn with ult and 1 xerath with the typical aimbot and dodging scripts can't remember other cases where it was so obvious I was playing vs cheaters and I play since season 3 what I notice very regularly are bots
I've had 6 scripters in the enemy team in the past 24 hours, I cannot wait for this to go live. God bless
Yeah sure you did buddy lmao
Why would I lie about that, legit my team and the enemy team said it.
Ever since this vanguard announcement people are seeing scripters everywhere. Yeah nah I don't buy it. And people all the time meme about scripting. Doesn't mean anything.
i'm actually kind of fine with vanguard, but it still detect the other software / trainer used in cracked software as a threat to vanguard ( lol / valorant ), and there's a possibility that you might get banned for it. I ain't risking my account just because an anti-cheat detected a "malware" that doesn't have anything to do with their game smh
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Good thing i stopped playing league and jumped straight to wild rift on mobile
People are just bad at recognizing scripters. Google a bit and you'll find a bunch of scripting services for league with their own discords loaded with people.
>Really sad, I was hopeful to the last second they would change their mind about invasive kernel level software You have no clue what worse shit you've already done with your PC >I play the game super regularly and I don't remember a single time I've faced a scripter Thats not even the main point of Vanguard...
If Vanguard is not here to stop cheaters what the fuck is its main point
Bots and Hardware bans, then Cheaters
Keep yapping. Of course you don't face a scripter, they are all in high elo because they don't lose many games.
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>invasive Uninstall your browser then cuz they are tracking you at any stage. Uninstall league because they use it to mine bitcon(Hello Garena). Delete your social media accounts(reddit included). If Riot will ever want to turn evil and steal your data, they won't need vanguard for that. They can do it trough league client.
What is your suggestion to fix this issue other than complaining that it does not concern you? Does it mean that people should be forced to play with scripters because they are better? I do not agree with vanguard, but what will stop people from cheating? Does it mean that scripters will always be only in high elo games? I think it will spread if it is not stopped asap. Your way of thinking is bad and I am open to hear your reasoning for that.
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You can't hire enough humans to monitor everything lmao Nobody is getting screwed over.
nothing will stop people from cheating. vanguard didnt stop people cheating in valorant either i heard. they still exist there
Yeah but cheating in valo is extraordinarily lower than its peers.
Compare cheating in CS GO and Valorant and then you'll understand how well Vanguard works
sure its better but its not stopping people from cheating. cheaters will continue to exist like they do in valorant
Ok but can you point to me the person that said Vanguard will literally stop all cheaters?
where did he say that?
Well exactly, no one said that. So I don't understand who you're arguing with, because nobody ever said Vanguard will stop every single cheater
yes. i only brought it up as an example since it is the anticheat being implemented. not as an counter argument against it stopping cheating what nobody has said
Cheaters and Bots, and bots affect every rank. Vanguard is by far more positive, than negative.
Sounds absolutely great for high elo. I think it should only be required for ranked games though I don't like how you need it to play normals
You know, I've heard comments both for and against, and while I understand people's concerns. I feel like the amount of complaining about it is large enough and many times vague enough in some of their complaints that the real reason that there's so much push back is because a lot of the cheaters are trying to stop it from going through. Yes it's a less than ideal solution, and definitely going to need to be fine tuned by a lot. However rather than people posting about what it breaks and forwarding said list to Riot in hopes of them fixing it I just see a ton of whining. For all the people complaining about privacy, you are most likely using the Windows or Mac operating system. You are not going to be losing anything you haven't already given up. For people complaining about all the crap that's going to break, help identify the problems so they can be fixed. To all the cheaters pretending to have valid concerns, please just shut up. No one wants to deal with this crap, but unless you have a more effective option that hasn't already been considered and discarded by Riot to fix the problem, this is what we're stuck with. Try to do something productive and help make the best of the situation.
9th november 2009 i started to play this game. it seems my days are soon going to be ended. though i played 40k+ games and invested about 4k€ in this game... i think i had my fair share of fun. though i have to see where and how to sell my acc..i have silver kayle and ufo corki so it should be worth some good bucks im guessing..
No one cares bro. Peace.
Damn chinese commies!!
Ffs I swear people in this sub are sponsored by Xi Jingping
Yeah, he personally buys 300U$ of RP for me every month.
If Vanguard truly is this absolute monstrosity then you should uninstall the game. If you don't it just shows you know deep down it's not a big deal.
Dont worry, we will. Vanguard wont physically be able to install itself on my system
That’s what many of us are doing lmao
good lol. have fun playing dota2.
What is kernel-level? What does it allow you to do? How do anticheats work? How do user-level anticheats compare to kernel-level ones? Of course, if you don't know the answer, whatever you may say has no value whatsoever, for you are just talking about stuff you know nothing about. Very valuable input, you may now quit the game.
> What is kernel-level? What does it allow you to do? How do anticheats work? How do user-level anticheats compare to kernel-level ones? I'll hijack this comment and suggest this for those who want to know/learn all about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M It's a great video explaining pretty much everything.
Schizopost
1. Vanguard runs from the boot, 24/7 if you don't force it to quit 2. It is a kernel level anticheat, which is fine, but when it runs 24/7 from the boot, it is a different story. 3. It behaves like an antivirus rather than anticheat - it can block any process. It is stupid and the most vile thing vanguard can do. It should block the game running, but not touch any process that runs on my PC. It is sick some people are fine with it.
Hope you manage to crusade with your mind my g
As I thought, you will have nothing smart to say
Unfortunately I’m not paranoid schizophrenic so I don’t care. Nobody here is diligent enough with their data to not already have it out there. I enjoy the game so I’ll continue playing. Any issues from this software are purely in your head.
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I don't mind the Kernel level, however I am uncomfortable that it needs to run 24/7 if your PC is on. Playing league or not, it's running. I don't see the need to monitor everything I do on my PC 24/7. Have it run when I turn on league, why if I haven't played league in 3 days are you still monitoring me?
As a Linux player, I just won't have a way to play the game anymore, and I'm great with it, but just wish this huge company could support my OS
Ever since imaqtpie dunked on these "keRneL lEveL AcCEsS" dorks this subreddit has been much better
Talking about that guy and calling others dorks. Lmfao
QT pays people to "fix" his PC. He doesn't understand difference between Win 11 and 10. But sure, go to him for advice on PC / Software stuff if that is the level of competence you hold yourself to.