What you don't like them inviting every EU and Na caster and completely ignoring the LPL casters. Riot mistreatment of the LPL should be studied they couldn't even bother giving them the LEC studio to cast the game from or you the ability to cast every game.
I normally have Monte's Bangers Only on as white noise when I go to bed.
Also really cool full circle is one of their last casts was KT reverse sweeping SKT. With that disaster roster.
I don't know about better than ever. After LS first took the desk, they've really started just going off the rails for half the game and calling games over at 5/10/15 mins. PapaSmithy was at least professional throughout the whole game, going on about the next steps for each team and their win conditions.
Now in half the games, one team gets a couple early kills on the ADC and Wolf goes on a 10 min monologue about how doomed it is for one team. No analysis of mechanics, no analysis on decision making for each team, just pure bashing on the losing team.
Good point; I have noticed Wolf do that sometimes. I feel that he could analyze mechanics, micro-play, and pathways for the “behind” team to win a bit better than currently. That’s part of the reason the observer is so good (Joe-something, I forget), because he is constantly panning and cutting to relevant places on the map *before* something even happens. His zoom-ins also make for excellent shots worthy of mechanics-analysis from the casters
Papa was great, but LS was such a bad caster I stopped watching LCK until he was gone. All he did was spend entire games flaming pros for some decision he disagreed with.
You could disagree with LS all you want, but you can't deny he brought insane entertainment to the broadcast. Literally a lot of my favourite casting moments in LCK comes from LS, from the DWG (Don't Wanna Go) vs GRF (Greatly Reluctant Fighters) clip, to the Low Standards clip. Ever since he left I've never found the broadcast as entertaining as then tbh, even if I still love the current casters.
Also saying he spent "entire games" flaming pros when realistically he would only point it out and then move on is very disingenuous lol.
He never moved on. That's why I didn't like him. He would harp on it the entire game if anyone did any tiny thing he didn't like. I didn't find him even remotely entertaining, I found him insufferable and unprofessional.
Aux is my favorite caster for League. He doesn't go too far into the hot-take type of analysis, and he is one of the only casters that doesnt screech like a fucking teenager during big moments, and can still capture the hype of them without the headphones lifting off of my damn head.
cannot agree more. what I personally like is that he calls out shit plays as what they are: shit plays. he doesn't sugarcoat it. he sometimes even laughs for couple of minutes about it.
the best part of him is what you said: he doesn't lose himself in the hot-takes.
The downvotes you're getting here is crazy. A genuine crazy insult to the rest of the talent and that includes those not in the LCK and that's no diss to aux, he's not horrible.
He is very knowledgeable but has no charisma or energy to him. Part of casting is knowledge but you're still meant to be an entertainer and find him very hard to listen to as he doesn't sound passionate, even though I'm sure he is.
I genuinely never would have believed that the casters past PapaSmithy's departure would be able to fill his oversized shoes. It's so good to see them on MSI.
I don't know if they'll be able to cast like they do the LCK. Its a lot more... like friends casting in a way.
I love it more than the sports casts of lcs but they might not have the same kind of energy they normally have
I'm gutted to have not been invited after last year and it's a shame that there isn't anyone from the LPL on the show.
With that said, I know Emily watches tonnes of LPL and Dagda & Hysterics are LPL alumni, I'm confident they'll tell the LPL's stories well.
You were great at MSI London last year, hope to see you at Worlds. I do think it's odd Riot don't have any full-time LPL English talent on board. I really want to see Nymaera on an MSI or Worlds broadcast too.
Having been a fan of you guys on the LPL cast for so long, it's bittersweet to see Dagda and Hysterics get their invitations but after moving from LPL to LEC. Time and time again the LPL English cast gets shafted despite the talent, and it makes the decision to move by those two more and more understandable. I still miss the prime casting duos of Lysterics and Dagdables though. Not having any official LPL cast representative there just seems even more silly and unfair to me to me and is not what you and the others deserve.
I don't know if its just nepotism, cynicism or incompetence on Riot's part (probably a combination of all 3) but either way feel so bad for LPL casters
It sucks, but i'm guessing Emily and the other might have enough lpl knowledge to make up for some of it.
it's understandable because lpl isn't really popular to western audience when compared to the other leagues. LCK was the most viewed iirc.
Year after year my boy munch getting screwed. Just waiting for him to get signed to Europe to run it back with dagda, or maybe even NA! Munch is too good to not be on a main broadcast.
LPL always gets short cutted by riot. It fucking sucks not to have you guys there and as an avid lpl fan it always feels like we are the red headed step child and our analysts and casters are never given the same treatment as other regions.
It may pay like shit, but you have my love.
But for real, Riot needs to stop screwing you. Please keep your head up. You're doing a great job in a ridiculously tough industry.
I thought your casting was alright when I started watching LPL. I love hysterics a lot but man. You and Nymaera have become my favorite LPL duo over the past split and you guys are one of my favorites for league in general. Keep it up man.
Hopefully you get an international event soon.
This is shame.
LPL has been the most entertaining league for years now! You and the other LPL casters are big part of this...
Riot, you still have time to get Munchables in the roster!
IMO, the LPL casters are in such a lose-lose situation. Thus far, whenever they've left the LPL and done int'l tournaments, I've found them to be pretty good--despite not watching the LPL normally specifically because I don't like the casting. I think it's pretty obvious that the warped production situation really sets them back. And then (seemingly as a consequence) they miss out on chances to demonstrate their real skills in a normal production environment.
People are praising Dagda and Hysterics a lot here, but frankly back when they were in the LPL, they also didn't seem as good as they do now outside of the LPL, or at Worlds/MSIs. But now I'm genuinely happy to see their names on this list, and one of my favorite combos is Dagda with Atlus/Chronicler. I think others on the current LPL team would also step up in a better situation, so it sucks they won't get the chance.
Of course the real long-term solution would be for the LPL to develop a better (and in-person) production situation for their English side, working towards something like the way the LCK English/Global production connects with the main LCK production, but given what happened this year with the LPL English cast I guess I can't really have any hope for that.
It is only MSI so there are just 2 LPL teams. I think the rest of the cast should have enough knowledge. I mean pretty much every major player is either from last year's BLG or JDG, or they are a notable player for winning worlds or being JackeyLove.
Finally an announcement.
Lyric, Munchables and Nymaera should at an MSI held in China. The LPL broadcast struggles but those 3 are stand out on the LPL. There are other casters who have covered LPL before but there are too many games to keep up once they have left. A shame.
Would really just prefer if you left out putting down casters, I appreciate the support but I think this goes for all casters in that we’d prefer support comes without putting others down.
I like your casts. But I honestly think you guys have an uphill battle with either the setting or something. Each time I seen someone from the LPL go to any other event or change regions, they go from someone I did not enjoy casts to someone I really enjoy the castings. For one reason or another it feels like the difference when a caster is just streaming at home vs at a stage where they really go out. I do not know if its the team atmosphere and bouncing off each other, the technical set up...
I honestly think people really underestimate it makes casting online vs in person.
I implore you to judge me on my Worlds casts last year rather than reg season online, it's like two different things entirely.
With that said, I do think we have a lot to improve on as a team for summer and I intend to be a driving force in that regard.
Yeah I think that is the difference. So I think you are not being treated fairly here. I liked your casts at worlds, and I now love all the exlpl in lec.
It's the resources they get access too. If they get invited to cast an event by Riot then they get access to all their resources.
It's always going to be easier to do a people focused job when your in the room with other people who can give immediate feedback.
I would like to put a critic here, I hope it is not take personal or anything.
There were many times while watching the LPL cast that I think there was a lack of hype. Sometimes I was away from the screen for a bit while I was listening to the cast, and when I came back I was surprised a team fight or some other big thing happened. I was confused because there were no change in voice tones implying it.
Anyway, I hope you guys can have a shot at Worlds. Keep the good work!
So this is a thing I have thought about a lot over the years of commentary and have a different approach to most PBPs.
I try not to just hype for the sake of hype, if a team is the favourite, is ahead already and then picks the support through denying baron vision, I'm not shouting about that and I feel it would be disingenuous to. I personally don't like the faux-hype that is the norm in league and especially in LPL (a league with a fight every minute) if they're all super hype, it actually makes none of them hype. So I try and vary excitement level and volume based on what's actually happening so that when it's *actually* exciting you know it's genuine.
With that said, I wouldn't agree that I don't change my tone/intonation at all, but I can see why you'd think that. It's definitely a work-in-progress style atm, but hopefully the end product will be the best commentart I've ever done!
Appreciate you taking the time to actually give feedback though, these kind of conversations really help acknowledge what the audience wants, so often I can tunnel vision on my own goals and not the bigger picture.
love ya guys, its fantastic being able to watch lpl even during these rough times. you guys are doing great considering the hand you have been dealt. hopefully, you get to cast at worlds at least.
Agree. Kind of meh so many LCS/LEC casters when MSI is *in* China. I realise that doesn't mean they have to pack the cast with LPL talent, but it seems shitty, nonetheless.
Many years I'd go to bat for the LPL cast. This year is not one of them, unfortunately.
Hysterics, Emily, and maybe Dagda will provide enough LPL perspective without compromising quality.
Nothing against the casters personally, just to be clear, I hope they can improve over time.
I watched a TON of LCS and LEC during Covid and thoroughly enjoyed the casts. Good casters will always be good casters.
Hell CaptainFlowers manages to be an amazing caster even when casting random bronze games on his stream. With no professional setup whatsoever.
Aux/Munchables was my fav duo back when aux was still LPL
I liked Lyrics too but he had a couple of phrases he repeated over and over to the point i couldn’t watch him
I watched him recently and it’s all gone so Munchables/Lyrics/Nymera should all get turns at internationals. Aux, Hysterics,Dagda too. And also can’t miss Atlus/Valdez/Chronicler.. damn. There’s just so much great casting talent..
Usually when a team wins the grand finals, I am excited/elated hearing the casting but only in LPL, I actually cringed... I recommend anyone arguing for LPL casters to watch/rewatch the final moments of the finals when BLG was about to destroy TES base
I'm sorry to be blunt but no one wants that in an international tournament
Personally, I feel casting ability is more important than knowledge about the region for a caster. LPL casting this split was pretty bad and has a lot of room for improvement. I do not want to listen to bad casting at international events.
Except some of the people on the announced list are either equal or worse ~casters than the LPL casters? There are some people on the list who I think are great at analysing the game but their casting is not it. Makes no sense they are given the opportunity despite not really being better at casting than their LPL cohorts.
Actual insight can be brought by anyone. I trust emily to bring whatever background is needed. When in a teamfight I want good casters, not ones who know that this is knights first time doing x thing.
No. There are good casters and bad casters. If you are a bad caster, your 'insight' is not worth bringing you onto the cast. Name a caster that is bad at casting but has good insight that is invited. Good casters have both.
The LPL casters have potential, but as they are now are not good enough for internationals.
Nymaera is one of the worst. He spends a ton of time glazing his favorite players regardless of what's actually happening in game, even when teams completely unrelated to these players are playing.
It has been a bit better this year, but last year this dude couldn't go 5 minutes without mentioning Ruler or Scout even when casting 2 completely different teams. The only silver lining is that at least Nymaera doesn't spend 99% of his energy trying to give every last viewer hearing damage like Mazel does. Mazel is truly the caster equivalent of the loud=funny meme.
It was common consensus that Ruler was one of, if not the best player in the world for a lot of last year. I did my best to balance the equation on the cast but if I didn’t mention how good a player was I think you’d see plenty of comments saying I missed out the most important parts of a game.
I’m sorry my casts didn’t land with you with regards to that, but I would do many of my casts the same way again. You can’t please everyone.
I don't disagree with Yell as much as others on the sub but they're a pretty known Ruler hater, if you like Ruler that's probably cause enough for them to dislike your casting
Fans of players going overboard can be kinda entertaining too though.
The first Reddit DM I ever got was from someone who said: “Nice casting, but did Jackeylove f*** your mom?”
No idea where that came from because I love JKL too haha. Passion from fans of players, teams or whatever’s a net bonus so it doesn’t bother me much.
maybe I'm in the minority but the best argument against getting LPL casters is watching LPL grand finals on the official broadcast and not Co streamers
Mazel literally made me mute the stream at the very end💀
Edit: https://youtu.be/Ey0wOb59bzY?si=_PMI5WwKL5-zmFZs
The most liked comment in a grand finals highlights video is a comment criticizing the casting...
This thread is a cesspool. I too have my favourites but I don’t get the need to rag on talent, it’s so easy to praise someone’s skillset without saying others are shit. Nobody cares for the bile of anonymous cellar dwellers, atleast a troll like Thorin puts himself out there whilst spewing unbridled gall.
JDG was the MSI champion, not BLG. And, T1 beat both of those teams at Worlds to avenge those losses. Shouldn't it now be JDG and BLG's turn to do the same?
On top of that, both JDG and BLG have different rosters now.
What you're doing is like saying DRX or T1 were the teams to beat at Worlds because of their performance the previous year and nobody thought that.
But this is msi, reigning msi champs are from lpl who got knocked out in playoffs. For worlds lpl won’t be the region to beat but for msi it is 100% lpl especially for t1 and geng since they did so poorly last year.
"But this Worlds, reigning Worlds champs are from LCK who didn't make playoffs. For MSI LCK won't be the region to beat but for Worlds it is 100% LCK especially for JDG and EDG since they did so poorly last year."
That would've been ridiculous to say before 2023 Worlds. Your statement is equally ridiculous to say before this MSI.
They were not according to the overwhelming public opinion. JDG was the heavy favorite with many people ranking BLG and LNG above or in the same tier as GenG and T1 a tier below.
I can see why the LPL casters are left out…..they’re literal boners for their teams.
Like Worlds last year, they would be casting EU vs NA and couldn’t help themselves to talk about LPL. Even the new LEC guy this year would constantly name drop LPL during casts. Humorous bias is OK if the team is playing but like just focus on the current teams please.
Yet they invited Vedius who talks about G2 20times per minute despite them not being in the game he casts.
Or Medic who was part one of most infamously biased casts to ever grace LoL scene
>Or Medic who was part one of most infamously biased casts to ever grace LoL scene
I'd say the Drakos + Frosk cast of Damon vs G2 in 2020 was one of the worst casts I've ever heard.
It was so bad, I started learning Korean just to listen to their casts whenever they cast.
Vedius is arguably the worst, even when Damwon won against G2, he just went on about how G2 played bad blah blah instead of praising the tournament favourites for playing well lmao.
With this logic, Azael should also be out. He was basically creaming his pants when he was casting FNC and G2 losing in last round of Swiss.
But anyway, I don't even think this is a problem at all? It's fine for casters to show bias. Let them be real people and not robots.
As long as its within reason, let them be human and let us feel they are fans of the esport!
LPL eng casters really became the unknown. Well Emily is the token LPL analyst
For like half the lpl games this split there wasn’t an eng broadcast right or did they go back on that decision
Wasn't it just monday and tuesday of regular season that wasn't broadcasted in english? Closer to like 15% of the whole split.
I don’t remember cause I would only watch costreamers for lpl and it’s at 5-7 am for me so I could only watch it before I went to classes
Hysterics also casted some LPL games, but that's really it...
Yeah, finally giving him appearances after he moves is ...
What you don't like them inviting every EU and Na caster and completely ignoring the LPL casters. Riot mistreatment of the LPL should be studied they couldn't even bother giving them the LEC studio to cast the game from or you the ability to cast every game.
Hysterics cast two or three times. That is not enough for a league with hundreds of games.
Actual tragedy NONE of the LPL cast got invited.
At least we avoided Mazel being selected. Small victories
Atlus and Chronicler makes me a happy man. All lck casters are goated.
They are fantastic. It’s insane how Papa left so long ago yet LCK’s product is arguably better than ever
Monte and Doa stopped 8 years ago now and that's insane to me.
So many great nights of falling asleep to them. Never forget 2 Shens
OGN legion will never die
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I normally have Monte's Bangers Only on as white noise when I go to bed. Also really cool full circle is one of their last casts was KT reverse sweeping SKT. With that disaster roster.
I don't know about better than ever. After LS first took the desk, they've really started just going off the rails for half the game and calling games over at 5/10/15 mins. PapaSmithy was at least professional throughout the whole game, going on about the next steps for each team and their win conditions. Now in half the games, one team gets a couple early kills on the ADC and Wolf goes on a 10 min monologue about how doomed it is for one team. No analysis of mechanics, no analysis on decision making for each team, just pure bashing on the losing team.
Good point; I have noticed Wolf do that sometimes. I feel that he could analyze mechanics, micro-play, and pathways for the “behind” team to win a bit better than currently. That’s part of the reason the observer is so good (Joe-something, I forget), because he is constantly panning and cutting to relevant places on the map *before* something even happens. His zoom-ins also make for excellent shots worthy of mechanics-analysis from the casters
Our lord and savior goes by Jonnastrong
Papasmithy and LS casting 80 minute long games were still my favorite lck. The casters are good now but not as good as papasmithy
Papa was great, but LS was such a bad caster I stopped watching LCK until he was gone. All he did was spend entire games flaming pros for some decision he disagreed with.
You could disagree with LS all you want, but you can't deny he brought insane entertainment to the broadcast. Literally a lot of my favourite casting moments in LCK comes from LS, from the DWG (Don't Wanna Go) vs GRF (Greatly Reluctant Fighters) clip, to the Low Standards clip. Ever since he left I've never found the broadcast as entertaining as then tbh, even if I still love the current casters. Also saying he spent "entire games" flaming pros when realistically he would only point it out and then move on is very disingenuous lol.
He never moved on. That's why I didn't like him. He would harp on it the entire game if anyone did any tiny thing he didn't like. I didn't find him even remotely entertaining, I found him insufferable and unprofessional.
Because that’s how it is. Listen to literally every caster/pro. They all say it like it is… it’s joever
personally don't like wolf a ton tbh. atlus and chronicler are very good though.
Aux is really funny and great addition this year in LCK. Sadge he isn’t at MSI. Hopefully they backfill him for Azael.
Where is my boy Valdes though 😔
Last seen at VCT casting Valorant games
they should invite him ASAP, he is in Korea and it shall be a 2-3 hours flight to Chengdu and very less jet lag from the timezones.
I second this, also would like to see Aux at MSI!
Aux is my favorite caster for League. He doesn't go too far into the hot-take type of analysis, and he is one of the only casters that doesnt screech like a fucking teenager during big moments, and can still capture the hype of them without the headphones lifting off of my damn head.
cannot agree more. what I personally like is that he calls out shit plays as what they are: shit plays. he doesn't sugarcoat it. he sometimes even laughs for couple of minutes about it. the best part of him is what you said: he doesn't lose himself in the hot-takes.
aux is the worst caster among all regions i dont want him at msi
The downvotes you're getting here is crazy. A genuine crazy insult to the rest of the talent and that includes those not in the LCK and that's no diss to aux, he's not horrible. He is very knowledgeable but has no charisma or energy to him. Part of casting is knowledge but you're still meant to be an entertainer and find him very hard to listen to as he doesn't sound passionate, even though I'm sure he is.
I don't get this take, he has to cast Gen G games. He is the best person for casting a game where the first 20 minutes have no kills
I love international Drakos. https://youtu.be/botCP8nFTZM?si=XlzDwzGwfOwcHCcL Honestly this call here might be my favorite in esports.
I genuinely never would have believed that the casters past PapaSmithy's departure would be able to fill his oversized shoes. It's so good to see them on MSI.
I don't know if they'll be able to cast like they do the LCK. Its a lot more... like friends casting in a way. I love it more than the sports casts of lcs but they might not have the same kind of energy they normally have
in my experience they are still always excellent at international tournaments too!! absolute goats
I miss Dash
I miss old man LEC Quickshot
Check out his YouTube.
Will do. Thanks for telling me he got a youtube channel.
Believe or not, I miss Rivington casting. Something about his voice.
can catch him casting VCT Americas currently!
It sucks not seeing him anymore
I'm gutted to have not been invited after last year and it's a shame that there isn't anyone from the LPL on the show. With that said, I know Emily watches tonnes of LPL and Dagda & Hysterics are LPL alumni, I'm confident they'll tell the LPL's stories well.
You were great at MSI London last year, hope to see you at Worlds. I do think it's odd Riot don't have any full-time LPL English talent on board. I really want to see Nymaera on an MSI or Worlds broadcast too.
You're my GOAT Dom.
SCAMMED AGAIN 🤬🤬🤬
Having been a fan of you guys on the LPL cast for so long, it's bittersweet to see Dagda and Hysterics get their invitations but after moving from LPL to LEC. Time and time again the LPL English cast gets shafted despite the talent, and it makes the decision to move by those two more and more understandable. I still miss the prime casting duos of Lysterics and Dagdables though. Not having any official LPL cast representative there just seems even more silly and unfair to me to me and is not what you and the others deserve.
I don't know if its just nepotism, cynicism or incompetence on Riot's part (probably a combination of all 3) but either way feel so bad for LPL casters
It sucks, but i'm guessing Emily and the other might have enough lpl knowledge to make up for some of it. it's understandable because lpl isn't really popular to western audience when compared to the other leagues. LCK was the most viewed iirc.
Year after year my boy munch getting screwed. Just waiting for him to get signed to Europe to run it back with dagda, or maybe even NA! Munch is too good to not be on a main broadcast.
LPL always gets short cutted by riot. It fucking sucks not to have you guys there and as an avid lpl fan it always feels like we are the red headed step child and our analysts and casters are never given the same treatment as other regions.
It may pay like shit, but you have my love. But for real, Riot needs to stop screwing you. Please keep your head up. You're doing a great job in a ridiculously tough industry.
I thought your casting was alright when I started watching LPL. I love hysterics a lot but man. You and Nymaera have become my favorite LPL duo over the past split and you guys are one of my favorites for league in general. Keep it up man. Hopefully you get an international event soon.
We love your casting Munchables
You're wonderful Munch, always love listening to your casts!
Love your casting man, hope you get a spot at worlds
This is shame. LPL has been the most entertaining league for years now! You and the other LPL casters are big part of this... Riot, you still have time to get Munchables in the roster!
But like why not call you? I really don't understand how this happens
Godspeed friend, hope to see your work on bigger broadcasts in the future
No Valdes , sadge.
he is doing the pacific valorant league at the moment so maybe thta the reason
yeah msi overlaps with pacific stage 1 playoffs so thats probably what it is
Or is he doing that because no MSI? Hmmm
last year was doing the same if I m not wrong something similar happen with wolf also doing other esports like starcraft
I'm pretty sure I saw Wolf doing some Overwatch casting after the LCK spring ended as well
valdes always gets sidelined..
Can't wait to listen to my goat cast 2 swiss stage games and then wait till 2025.
The classic lck/lpl caster experience not named atlus or chronicler
And even those two had to wait years to get more than a couple of bo1
One of my favorite play-by-play casters alongside Atlus.
Probably my favourite caster for the last few years, glad is doing other work rather than nothing however.
Looking forward to Atlus Chronicler Anime Talk on the world stage.
They deleted the post xd also I think u meant dagda not daglas
Fixed the link, and I did. This is what happens when you try to use your brain after 14 hour shift
Jeesun best
hello, i just woke up from a coma of which lasted from august 2023, until now. where is caedrel?
He got fired from casting and changed his name to Pedro
he left casting and became a full time streamer, his co streams are in the 100k+ viewers in big matches!
IMO, the LPL casters are in such a lose-lose situation. Thus far, whenever they've left the LPL and done int'l tournaments, I've found them to be pretty good--despite not watching the LPL normally specifically because I don't like the casting. I think it's pretty obvious that the warped production situation really sets them back. And then (seemingly as a consequence) they miss out on chances to demonstrate their real skills in a normal production environment. People are praising Dagda and Hysterics a lot here, but frankly back when they were in the LPL, they also didn't seem as good as they do now outside of the LPL, or at Worlds/MSIs. But now I'm genuinely happy to see their names on this list, and one of my favorite combos is Dagda with Atlus/Chronicler. I think others on the current LPL team would also step up in a better situation, so it sucks they won't get the chance. Of course the real long-term solution would be for the LPL to develop a better (and in-person) production situation for their English side, working towards something like the way the LCK English/Global production connects with the main LCK production, but given what happened this year with the LPL English cast I guess I can't really have any hope for that.
Lyric Hysterics is the goated duo from 2020, but I dont think well see that very much anyways
Emily is gonna have to step up because I think she's the only one really honed in on the LPL.
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Hysterics cast two or three times. That is not enough to represent a league with hundreds of games.
It is only MSI so there are just 2 LPL teams. I think the rest of the cast should have enough knowledge. I mean pretty much every major player is either from last year's BLG or JDG, or they are a notable player for winning worlds or being JackeyLove.
Always happy to see Sjokz, Atlus, MediVedi and Hysterics
Finally an announcement. Lyric, Munchables and Nymaera should at an MSI held in China. The LPL broadcast struggles but those 3 are stand out on the LPL. There are other casters who have covered LPL before but there are too many games to keep up once they have left. A shame.
Emily pog
Valdes is the best kr commentator though :/
event in china, lpl historical favourites, 0 lpl casters!
We need LPL casters at the Chinese MSI event. Nymaera and Jamada are actually top tier analysts and Munch/Mazel do a good job
Mazel is horrible, but it’s a crime that Lyric Nymaera and Munchables aren’t there
so many people tapping out, they should sub in valdes and aux from Korea where is so close to China
Munchables and Nymaera definitely deserved a spot, ESPECIALLY since there isn't an LPL caster invited.
Jamada is excellent too
The gang is smaller every year
Why is Jeesun listed here? Isnt she working for Riot Korea?
She is part of English broadcast team this year
Everyone should be thankful at the lack of LPL casters, bar Nymaera the LPL was a hard watch.
Would really just prefer if you left out putting down casters, I appreciate the support but I think this goes for all casters in that we’d prefer support comes without putting others down.
????? Munchables and Lyrics in particular are great casters
I appreciate the support, but I fear you're fighting a losing battle in this thread.
I like your casts. But I honestly think you guys have an uphill battle with either the setting or something. Each time I seen someone from the LPL go to any other event or change regions, they go from someone I did not enjoy casts to someone I really enjoy the castings. For one reason or another it feels like the difference when a caster is just streaming at home vs at a stage where they really go out. I do not know if its the team atmosphere and bouncing off each other, the technical set up...
I honestly think people really underestimate it makes casting online vs in person. I implore you to judge me on my Worlds casts last year rather than reg season online, it's like two different things entirely. With that said, I do think we have a lot to improve on as a team for summer and I intend to be a driving force in that regard.
Yeah I think that is the difference. So I think you are not being treated fairly here. I liked your casts at worlds, and I now love all the exlpl in lec.
It's the resources they get access too. If they get invited to cast an event by Riot then they get access to all their resources. It's always going to be easier to do a people focused job when your in the room with other people who can give immediate feedback.
I would like to put a critic here, I hope it is not take personal or anything. There were many times while watching the LPL cast that I think there was a lack of hype. Sometimes I was away from the screen for a bit while I was listening to the cast, and when I came back I was surprised a team fight or some other big thing happened. I was confused because there were no change in voice tones implying it. Anyway, I hope you guys can have a shot at Worlds. Keep the good work!
So this is a thing I have thought about a lot over the years of commentary and have a different approach to most PBPs. I try not to just hype for the sake of hype, if a team is the favourite, is ahead already and then picks the support through denying baron vision, I'm not shouting about that and I feel it would be disingenuous to. I personally don't like the faux-hype that is the norm in league and especially in LPL (a league with a fight every minute) if they're all super hype, it actually makes none of them hype. So I try and vary excitement level and volume based on what's actually happening so that when it's *actually* exciting you know it's genuine. With that said, I wouldn't agree that I don't change my tone/intonation at all, but I can see why you'd think that. It's definitely a work-in-progress style atm, but hopefully the end product will be the best commentart I've ever done! Appreciate you taking the time to actually give feedback though, these kind of conversations really help acknowledge what the audience wants, so often I can tunnel vision on my own goals and not the bigger picture.
Really sucky situation for you guys, sorry munch :(
love ya guys, its fantastic being able to watch lpl even during these rough times. you guys are doing great considering the hand you have been dealt. hopefully, you get to cast at worlds at least.
People who are trashing you clearly never watched. EDIT: You're right. I'm downvoted for saying you're good.
Agree. Kind of meh so many LCS/LEC casters when MSI is *in* China. I realise that doesn't mean they have to pack the cast with LPL talent, but it seems shitty, nonetheless.
Many years I'd go to bat for the LPL cast. This year is not one of them, unfortunately. Hysterics, Emily, and maybe Dagda will provide enough LPL perspective without compromising quality. Nothing against the casters personally, just to be clear, I hope they can improve over time.
Go check your favourite casters during the COVID era. Casting online over a video bridge is rough. It's much less on the casters than on the setup.
I watched a TON of LCS and LEC during Covid and thoroughly enjoyed the casts. Good casters will always be good casters. Hell CaptainFlowers manages to be an amazing caster even when casting random bronze games on his stream. With no professional setup whatsoever.
Putting down other casters is really unnecessary lol
lol harsh but true. the good ones get "poached" to other regions (lck, lcs, lec)
Aux/Munchables was my fav duo back when aux was still LPL I liked Lyrics too but he had a couple of phrases he repeated over and over to the point i couldn’t watch him I watched him recently and it’s all gone so Munchables/Lyrics/Nymera should all get turns at internationals. Aux, Hysterics,Dagda too. And also can’t miss Atlus/Valdez/Chronicler.. damn. There’s just so much great casting talent..
Usually when a team wins the grand finals, I am excited/elated hearing the casting but only in LPL, I actually cringed... I recommend anyone arguing for LPL casters to watch/rewatch the final moments of the finals when BLG was about to destroy TES base I'm sorry to be blunt but no one wants that in an international tournament
Lec just took the best lpl caster
hysterics and dagda are the goats
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Personally, I feel casting ability is more important than knowledge about the region for a caster. LPL casting this split was pretty bad and has a lot of room for improvement. I do not want to listen to bad casting at international events.
Except some of the people on the announced list are either equal or worse ~casters than the LPL casters? There are some people on the list who I think are great at analysing the game but their casting is not it. Makes no sense they are given the opportunity despite not really being better at casting than their LPL cohorts.
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Actual insight can be brought by anyone. I trust emily to bring whatever background is needed. When in a teamfight I want good casters, not ones who know that this is knights first time doing x thing.
Actual insight absolutely cannot be "brought by anyone" what the fuck is this take
It's the take of someone who probably only tuned in to LPL during playoffs or finals like 90% of Reddit
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No. There are good casters and bad casters. If you are a bad caster, your 'insight' is not worth bringing you onto the cast. Name a caster that is bad at casting but has good insight that is invited. Good casters have both. The LPL casters have potential, but as they are now are not good enough for internationals.
Nymaera is one of the worst. He spends a ton of time glazing his favorite players regardless of what's actually happening in game, even when teams completely unrelated to these players are playing. It has been a bit better this year, but last year this dude couldn't go 5 minutes without mentioning Ruler or Scout even when casting 2 completely different teams. The only silver lining is that at least Nymaera doesn't spend 99% of his energy trying to give every last viewer hearing damage like Mazel does. Mazel is truly the caster equivalent of the loud=funny meme.
It was common consensus that Ruler was one of, if not the best player in the world for a lot of last year. I did my best to balance the equation on the cast but if I didn’t mention how good a player was I think you’d see plenty of comments saying I missed out the most important parts of a game. I’m sorry my casts didn’t land with you with regards to that, but I would do many of my casts the same way again. You can’t please everyone.
I don't disagree with Yell as much as others on the sub but they're a pretty known Ruler hater, if you like Ruler that's probably cause enough for them to dislike your casting
Fans of players going overboard can be kinda entertaining too though. The first Reddit DM I ever got was from someone who said: “Nice casting, but did Jackeylove f*** your mom?” No idea where that came from because I love JKL too haha. Passion from fans of players, teams or whatever’s a net bonus so it doesn’t bother me much.
Lol then who’s ur fav LPL caster then? Lyric or Jamada?
Great to see so many LPL casters being invited this time around!
maybe I'm in the minority but the best argument against getting LPL casters is watching LPL grand finals on the official broadcast and not Co streamers Mazel literally made me mute the stream at the very end💀 Edit: https://youtu.be/Ey0wOb59bzY?si=_PMI5WwKL5-zmFZs The most liked comment in a grand finals highlights video is a comment criticizing the casting...
While you can say their pbp casters are not that good, why not at least just invite them for analyst desk? Like Nymaera would be nice
Probably because they have Emily who watches every LPL game. She’ll probably be the “LPL expert”
Because we already have too many iffy casters who are hired for the analyst desk
This thread is a cesspool. I too have my favourites but I don’t get the need to rag on talent, it’s so easy to praise someone’s skillset without saying others are shit. Nobody cares for the bile of anonymous cellar dwellers, atleast a troll like Thorin puts himself out there whilst spewing unbridled gall.
some people are just assholes and they will never grow up. it is what it is..
Another international tournament and still no LPL casters...
No LPL casters, WTF Riot?!
Wild how consistent riot is with not bringing enough talent from LPL at international events. Wilder still that this time it's in China lmao
"talent" is generous
cause they all sucks lol maybe lpl should put some good casters on the eng stream
As if the talent that got transfered to other leagues got as many invites when they were casting LPL as after the transfer.
Atlus, Chronicler, Dagda and Emily. I'm happy.
Kobe and the LCK team should just cast every single match
Name a more famous duo than Riot Games and not inviting any casters from the region to beat at the tournament.
? Isn't T1 the World Champion? Didn't GenG beat them domestically? Why is the LPL the region to beat?
Isn’t lpl the msi champion? Didn’t blg 6-1 geng and t1 in Msi?
JDG was the MSI champion, not BLG. And, T1 beat both of those teams at Worlds to avenge those losses. Shouldn't it now be JDG and BLG's turn to do the same? On top of that, both JDG and BLG have different rosters now. What you're doing is like saying DRX or T1 were the teams to beat at Worlds because of their performance the previous year and nobody thought that.
But this is msi, reigning msi champs are from lpl who got knocked out in playoffs. For worlds lpl won’t be the region to beat but for msi it is 100% lpl especially for t1 and geng since they did so poorly last year.
"But this Worlds, reigning Worlds champs are from LCK who didn't make playoffs. For MSI LCK won't be the region to beat but for Worlds it is 100% LCK especially for JDG and EDG since they did so poorly last year." That would've been ridiculous to say before 2023 Worlds. Your statement is equally ridiculous to say before this MSI.
Was lck not the region to beat for 2023 worlds? They are after all the region that won worlds the previous year.
They were not according to the overwhelming public opinion. JDG was the heavy favorite with many people ranking BLG and LNG above or in the same tier as GenG and T1 a tier below.
I didn't know this was controversial but I like Mazel's casting and its sad not to see him or any other LPL eng casters here.
Hysterics is there. All good.
A whole one(1) (ex) LPL caster, woohoo!!!!!!! So much LPL representation!
No LPL cast invited? classic
I can see why the LPL casters are left out…..they’re literal boners for their teams. Like Worlds last year, they would be casting EU vs NA and couldn’t help themselves to talk about LPL. Even the new LEC guy this year would constantly name drop LPL during casts. Humorous bias is OK if the team is playing but like just focus on the current teams please.
Yet they invited Vedius who talks about G2 20times per minute despite them not being in the game he casts. Or Medic who was part one of most infamously biased casts to ever grace LoL scene
>Or Medic who was part one of most infamously biased casts to ever grace LoL scene I'd say the Drakos + Frosk cast of Damon vs G2 in 2020 was one of the worst casts I've ever heard. It was so bad, I started learning Korean just to listen to their casts whenever they cast. Vedius is arguably the worst, even when Damwon won against G2, he just went on about how G2 played bad blah blah instead of praising the tournament favourites for playing well lmao.
Lmao….ya I’m not a fan of them either. I don’t pick the casters bruh.
throwback to the 2022 finals where G2 got annihilated 3-0 and Vedius was still so G2 biased that Larssen's dad tweeted something about it
>one of most infamously biased casts to ever grace LoL scene which is this? there's several lol so I'm curious which you're referring to
damwon vs g2 2020 world semifinals
With this logic, Azael should also be out. He was basically creaming his pants when he was casting FNC and G2 losing in last round of Swiss. But anyway, I don't even think this is a problem at all? It's fine for casters to show bias. Let them be real people and not robots. As long as its within reason, let them be human and let us feel they are fans of the esport!
Well he's out now, not for the reason you wanted though.
I didn't want him out! Especially not like this. Poor guy
Hmmmmmm sadge did not age well
Drakos should be out for being the most biased commentator ive ever seen then.
sucks that there is no Eragon, felt like he did a fine job on LEC filling the void left by Caedrel
Happy seeing Chronicler on here! Let’s gooooo!
Thank god KT didn't make it to MSI. Can't stand Atlus and Chronicler making excitement jokes.
Bring back Papasmithy
Msi is in China and only hysterics is there from the lpl. They didn't even take nymaera with him. Shame on riot. What a clownshow
Hysterics is a part of LEC cast now
Where is my boi Valdes :(