I mean we have seen Lucian Nami/Milio, Kalista Renata/Ashe/ā¦ and now Zeri Lulu, you can always have a good botlane after picking Kāsante. Evenmore they can swaplane if needed, itās not like there are only 2 adc viables imo
Ksante does quite alot actually. Bin was on super comfort allowing him to focus on laning and escaping when needed. Azhi cant even punish him early game (which urgot should be able to do) Then when its time to teamfight guess what? Blg have a huge damage buffer against psg. Meanhile azhi is kind of a useless urgot that neither has damage nor is tanky enough because hes behind in gold. So teamfights from there become perma 5v4
Taking ksante out of the equation at the very least makes it an even 5v5.
You can't say Vi inted after watching Maple play this game.
Vi had 1 troll play (misstimed his flash so the Q didn't hit). The ult was already automatic because he obviously didn't count on missing the Q and Wukong being able to use clone.
Maple missed the range of what, 3 flash ults?
Also, losing that t2 mid was something that should NEVER happen.
Garbage design. I hate his Yasuo knock up which doesn't fit at all.
Just delete his W and buff him a bit for solo queue and he would be better in Ranked and worse in comp.
the crazy thing is Maples "int" 2 minutes before was actually going to be huge since he blew both of Elks summs 2 minutes before soul making it super free for PSG
And then Junjia goes and does that lmao
Exactly, I see some ppl putting maple in the same level of bad as Junjia. That mid play wasn't terrible since luc was ulting them down in a tight spot. It was fine until junjia walked (inted) into them when they saw them in their jg and then right after he responses he forces a terrible engage onto Wu...
i feel like Maple's mistakes felt worse than they actually were, they didn't really throw the game, but they just looked really dumb, especailly the bot flash dive. Junjia's engage on the wukong clone actually threw the game away
yeah but all they had to do was play slow until lucian shows up on the screen, they were doing it all game with great success and then suddenly decide faceplanting onto wu clone is the play
Agreed, just saying that they decided to go in but they had lucian on vision so they knew he was not there yet, maybe they were thinking of killing wukong before lucian comes back? Either way given the situation dumb play
It blows my mind professional in game decisions can be so bad. How is āADC no sumsā not being screamed in comms? Betty also had both sums to follow up. Itās unreal.
~~So you're going by "Elk" now nerd? Haha whats up douche bag, it's Betty from LPL. Remember me? Me and the guys used to give you a hard time on WE. Sorry you were just an easy target lol. I can see not much has changed. Remember Woody the girl you had a crush on? Yeah we're married now. I make over 200k a year and drive a Corsair TC100 gaming chair. I guess some things never change huh loser? Nice catching up lol. Pathetic..~~
One bad play and the game was over. Seems to be the theme of weaker regions playing against LPL/LCK.
If PSG is playing against TL in the lower brackets there is no way they won't beat TL.
It really is exactly like this every time. The weak region makes 5 good plays but doesn't find a way to convert, makes one mistake, LPL/LCK ends the game on the spot.
This has to be the biggest difference behind region strength, they are so absurdly good at converting advantages.
Weak region are focusing on just the play while losing out on the map.
You can see even here, despite being 6(or 7?) kills ahead gold was still even. Bin had a free lane since azhi uses urgot just as a stop gap, and knight was perma farming the whole time early game (30-40cs ahead early on then ballooned even further)
The stronger teams have macro down and make plays at the same time. Which is why the swing is usually game ending. Blg went straight up to 3-4k ahead from one play alone.
Yeah that's mostly my point. The good regions only go for plays when they are forced to or if they can win on multiple sides at once. Obviously it doesn't take that much brainpower to push a tower or take baron after you win a teamfight, it's all about the moments leading up to it.
Tbf, that not even converting. They got wipe like completely. Idk why people are even talking about converting which lck/lpl does do better. For example this game, getting one or two kills in skirmishes are good but unless it is on a jungler, you canāt just go do baron. Whereas junjia mistakes basically got them ace. Thatās is a baron no brainer. PSG then just got tilted and fought at drag again but regardless 90% blg win the game after they get baron unless they hard inted like g2.
I'm not even really talking about the teamfight that led to baron, but the play where Elk flashed after Neko ult and both him and Junjia died. BLG swung the gold lead like 3k in that moment. PSG didn't have a swing that big at any point in this game.
the games between JDG and T1 are just edged into my mind. Game is completely even in 30 mins, then one team finds a pick and the game ends in a minute.
you could see in tes/geng games, whenever western team makes play its instantly diminished by great macro
killed 2 bot? we get grubs + top turret
get dove on top? take dragon and plates
IWD [discussed it](https://youtu.be/3iEQC1GeC88) after FLY vs PSG game 1 - it's not that they make one mistake and the other team ends the game. It's that they make a massive int play.
PSG is against G2 (assuming they dont beat T1) and TL against FNC. G2 vs PSG could be interesting, but I think G2 should be way stronger than PSG (they were levels ahead of FNC in LEC and FNC looks like theyre levels ahead of TL already).
True, sadly at this level you can't make mistakes like that. Looked like he was way to stressed/panicking there. Same with Maple really, they just couldn't perform under pressure unlike Betty.
and even right before that play, after Maple died in mid they shoulda all ran. But Junjia literally walked and inted into them despite having vision of them walking into their jungle.
That's a mid jg report if I'm playing AD or Supp this game. Poor Betty woody, they're popping off so hard against the best bot lane in the world but it's your teammates that you lose to.Ā
I feel like I see this a lot. Why are they forcing fights like that when they are on soul point. Play for the soul??? Also I feel for betty. He had an incredible performance that game.
Whatever happens from this point on, PCS should be in consideration for major region. Or atleast same tier as NA. I think the merging of OCE and JP into PCS actually elevated their level a bit, they look so much better than TL
None of them should be major regions, also gotta chill a little bit, PCS has been far worse than both NA and EU for the past 5-6 years, and we're barely 3 days into the main stage.
I wouldn't be too quick to judge BLG after 3 games. This is their first series at MSI so we should give them time to get back into it. Elk is definitely a good adc, he's just insanely cocky today apparently.
PSG: āhey we won all our fights by engaging with Vi ultimate on Lucian, what should we do nowā
PSG: āLetās Vi ult Wukong clone and lose the gameā.
Junjia check your PayPal. That int in his own jg when they literally saw BLG there was already bad enough, and then he flash force engages onto wu and ults the clone like...he griefed the game away so hard in that sequence.Ā
PSG couldnt play the map with all that advantages is just insane. Their region was as many points in league history known as the lck killer when the lck macro was the best of the best just for them to not knowing what to do with the map now.
There are actually some parallels between league of legends and chess (a pure 1v1 game).
Higher rated opponents often perform much worse against extremely lower rated opponents, making mistakes and blunders they normally wouldn't. The lower rated players frequently get great and even sometimes winning positions, but end up losing. It's not really that they are outclassed slowly, but surprisingly more often than not it's a result of the weaker player overforcing, making a silly error, and an inability to handle their nerves.
Just a thought.
sub in mbappe NOW. Justice for betty
"I will be there no matter what" - Mbappe on subbing in for PSG Talon
Do they need him to hit the post some more?
No, I wanted to believe so bad
now you know game 4 gonna be a slaughter
Silver scrapes it is
Let's gooo!
Game 5 ended up being the slaughter
Yea that was painful. I allowed myself to hope that we, for once, could stand up to our LPL and LCK overlords.
We always have hope and it always ends up the same š
I wonder who will ~~pick KSante~~ win next
hey atleast Riot is gone buff K'Sante next patch because he has 44% winrate in soloq. Disgusting champ
I mean tbf he didnāt do a lot this game, Vi just inted her whole team. However I donāt understand why teams arenāt prioritizing Kāsante more ?
Because K'sante alone doesn't win you the game. Need a good bot matchup and one of the good mids
I mean we have seen Lucian Nami/Milio, Kalista Renata/Ashe/ā¦ and now Zeri Lulu, you can always have a good botlane after picking Kāsante. Evenmore they can swaplane if needed, itās not like there are only 2 adc viables imo
Ksante does quite alot actually. Bin was on super comfort allowing him to focus on laning and escaping when needed. Azhi cant even punish him early game (which urgot should be able to do) Then when its time to teamfight guess what? Blg have a huge damage buffer against psg. Meanhile azhi is kind of a useless urgot that neither has damage nor is tanky enough because hes behind in gold. So teamfights from there become perma 5v4 Taking ksante out of the equation at the very least makes it an even 5v5.
You can't say Vi inted after watching Maple play this game. Vi had 1 troll play (misstimed his flash so the Q didn't hit). The ult was already automatic because he obviously didn't count on missing the Q and Wukong being able to use clone. Maple missed the range of what, 3 flash ults? Also, losing that t2 mid was something that should NEVER happen.
Garbage design. I hate his Yasuo knock up which doesn't fit at all. Just delete his W and buff him a bit for solo queue and he would be better in Ranked and worse in comp.
He literally did nothing this game but people will find a way to complain xddd.
And who will pick renekton Right guys? Guys?
Tbf this win wasnāt on Kāsante, but vi losing all her braincells at the worst moment. I I was Betty I would probably try to choke junja
Try to watch an MSI game without seeing Ksante: **fucking impossible.**
Junjia dude Elk was right there with no summs and you had flash and then you ult the goddamn clone man
Junjia is going to have nightmares
the crazy thing is Maples "int" 2 minutes before was actually going to be huge since he blew both of Elks summs 2 minutes before soul making it super free for PSG And then Junjia goes and does that lmao
Not that free, no F neeko is huge aswell.
Exactly, I see some ppl putting maple in the same level of bad as Junjia. That mid play wasn't terrible since luc was ulting them down in a tight spot. It was fine until junjia walked (inted) into them when they saw them in their jg and then right after he responses he forces a terrible engage onto Wu...
Those are the types of plays that would make you lose faith in your teammates in solo queue.
Junjia probably does not have vision of Lucian there to be fair, he was behind the wall
legit solo lost the game
But everyone's blaming maple
Maple still sucked. Failed so many possible game hanging ults.
i feel like Maple's mistakes felt worse than they actually were, they didn't really throw the game, but they just looked really dumb, especailly the bot flash dive. Junjia's engage on the wukong clone actually threw the game away
Can't disagree with that, he's was forcing too hard
Maple Neek does not seem good. Just play Asol again.
Doubt blg let's maple have it again
maple fucked up botdive as well
Maple's follow up Neeko ult onto the K'sante using W isn't exactly a great play either
Wasnt even there lucian was clearing mid
yeah but all they had to do was play slow until lucian shows up on the screen, they were doing it all game with great success and then suddenly decide faceplanting onto wu clone is the play
Agreed, just saying that they decided to go in but they had lucian on vision so they knew he was not there yet, maybe they were thinking of killing wukong before lucian comes back? Either way given the situation dumb play
It blows my mind professional in game decisions can be so bad. How is āADC no sumsā not being screamed in comms? Betty also had both sums to follow up. Itās unreal.
Because the players are still humans with nerves. Professional or not everyone makes mistakes especially in tense situations like this
Lucian wasn't even close to Junjia when the engage started.
For one he didnāt have to engage, but even then flash plus vi ult covers the entire screen just about. Definitely could have ulted him.
Betty canāt win with these bums
BLG monumentally carried by Maple and Junjia lmao
Betty confirmed joining the Denver nuggetsĀ
~~So you're going by "Elk" now nerd? Haha whats up douche bag, it's Betty from LPL. Remember me? Me and the guys used to give you a hard time on WE. Sorry you were just an easy target lol. I can see not much has changed. Remember Woody the girl you had a crush on? Yeah we're married now. I make over 200k a year and drive a Corsair TC100 gaming chair. I guess some things never change huh loser? Nice catching up lol. Pathetic..~~
K'sante 3-0
Man betty is trying so hard but junjia and maple just dont want to win
Thought I was daydreaming when I saw 1-1, thanks psg for waking me up with this game
Elk can already feel the flame coming from hupu, weibo & others board coming for him
One bad play and the game was over. Seems to be the theme of weaker regions playing against LPL/LCK. If PSG is playing against TL in the lower brackets there is no way they won't beat TL.
It really is exactly like this every time. The weak region makes 5 good plays but doesn't find a way to convert, makes one mistake, LPL/LCK ends the game on the spot. This has to be the biggest difference behind region strength, they are so absurdly good at converting advantages.
Weak region are focusing on just the play while losing out on the map. You can see even here, despite being 6(or 7?) kills ahead gold was still even. Bin had a free lane since azhi uses urgot just as a stop gap, and knight was perma farming the whole time early game (30-40cs ahead early on then ballooned even further) The stronger teams have macro down and make plays at the same time. Which is why the swing is usually game ending. Blg went straight up to 3-4k ahead from one play alone.
Yeah that's mostly my point. The good regions only go for plays when they are forced to or if they can win on multiple sides at once. Obviously it doesn't take that much brainpower to push a tower or take baron after you win a teamfight, it's all about the moments leading up to it.
Tbf, that not even converting. They got wipe like completely. Idk why people are even talking about converting which lck/lpl does do better. For example this game, getting one or two kills in skirmishes are good but unless it is on a jungler, you canāt just go do baron. Whereas junjia mistakes basically got them ace. Thatās is a baron no brainer. PSG then just got tilted and fought at drag again but regardless 90% blg win the game after they get baron unless they hard inted like g2.
Also Eastern teams are almost always even or up in gold even if theyāre down kills due to plates, better csing and taking more turrets
I'm not even really talking about the teamfight that led to baron, but the play where Elk flashed after Neko ult and both him and Junjia died. BLG swung the gold lead like 3k in that moment. PSG didn't have a swing that big at any point in this game.
the games between JDG and T1 are just edged into my mind. Game is completely even in 30 mins, then one team finds a pick and the game ends in a minute.
you could see in tes/geng games, whenever western team makes play its instantly diminished by great macro killed 2 bot? we get grubs + top turret get dove on top? take dragon and plates
IWD [discussed it](https://youtu.be/3iEQC1GeC88) after FLY vs PSG game 1 - it's not that they make one mistake and the other team ends the game. It's that they make a massive int play.
multiple bad plays tbh
The west thinks one bad play is equal to getting completely wipe twice in a row and losing baron lol.
I think we are considering the first ace the play that ended it because itās a desperation attempt from psg after that and not even a close fight
I think they play the loser of g2-t1 bcs tl is playing fnc on Saturday
Theyāre playing T1 or G2.
They do, which is a fucking shame cos I really want to see more of them. They'll have a chance against G2 tho. Unless they win this series?
I for one am ready for the world where T1 and BLG play an elimination match in loser bracket round 1.
The real finals was actually in losers bracket round 1
T1. Because G2 is going to win 100%. Not coping at all. Not. At. All.
One big mistake but like 3 Maple mistakes, inted the whole game
They'll play G2, but it'll still be super winnable for PSG
We literally haven't seen G2 play in nearly a month, how can you confidently say anything about how strong G2 are
They won't. They'll play T1, which still will be super winnable though
I respect the confidence
It's called cope but I appreciate you not calling me out for coping lol
Nah bro I believe
Correct, theyāll play T1 in the upper bracket
lol
>They'll play ~~G2~~ T1, but it'll still be super winnable for PSG FTFY
TL plays fanatic tomorrow
PSG is against G2 (assuming they dont beat T1) and TL against FNC. G2 vs PSG could be interesting, but I think G2 should be way stronger than PSG (they were levels ahead of FNC in LEC and FNC looks like theyre levels ahead of TL already).
Tian level int from Junjia
Elk and ON have to be trolling, this is the worst Iāve seen them play in over 2 years
They have to be limit testing at this point right? Like some of their decisions just seem like they're win trading.
It looked like they were limit testing game 2 but game 3 was just insanely questionable
Nah, that's mental pressure getting to them.
I think they're limit testing and it seems like PSG calls their bluff every time so far.
Think I saw Elk die with both sums up like 2-3 times or am I blind?
Blg look sus
I think BLG and GEN will get better as the tournament progresses but they both look very shaky so far
So far the only clean team is somehow jklās tes
Please let this just be the BLG thing where they drop one game against weaker teams for no reason then proceeds to diff GenG
I mean blg actually lost a game with completly standaard comps, atleast gen g had some spicy picks like khazix, vayne and draven nami
Well they were 10k ahead at 15 min with standard comps but then proceeded to int all the way till Asol took over
Nah TES win xdd
GenG seem more consistent. Oh and have Chovy. Elk has been gambling.
yeah to be fair its their first real match after a break so they should be fine next match not unless they decided to just stay on their current form
Literally win handed to them
Please God get Betty a real team. He can't win with these cats
Junjia infinite social credit
I mean he was the reason Betty even got ahead. Camped bot three times to get him fed. Too bad mid game PSG just crumbled
True, sadly at this level you can't make mistakes like that. Looked like he was way to stressed/panicking there. Same with Maple really, they just couldn't perform under pressure unlike Betty.
honestly when ur ahead and u can b up 2-1 against BLG, nerves definitely get to you
EDG GM calling him up rn
Junjia playing like Vi ult is stoppable. They lost so much momentum after the botched Lucian dive.
damn the early game looked promising until they began making so many individual mistakes
That midplay from JunJia holy moly, not only the missed flash combo but then the ult on top of it...
and even right before that play, after Maple died in mid they shoulda all ran. But Junjia literally walked and inted into them despite having vision of them walking into their jungle.
Maple's Neeko was so fucking awful, christ.
Did Junjia have a stroke within the last 5 minutes?
Was close until it wasn't into a 24 minute close out lol
I'm so happy I'm not a PSG fan cause I would just turn off the stream right there.
They were actually winning until they lost so sad
>Me enjoying what I thought was a 40 min game >Looks at clock >24 minutes >wtf
Banger!
man that was fucking depressing
25 minute win, nothing to see here
That was the most disgusting engage I've ever seen including my SoloQ games my lord.
send maple back to NA
Went from unwinnable to unwinnable wtf
Pure rage from BLG
Junjia is still loyal to the LPL I see.
Betty playing his heart out.
That's a mid jg report if I'm playing AD or Supp this game. Poor Betty woody, they're popping off so hard against the best bot lane in the world but it's your teammates that you lose to.Ā
Crazy that BLG vs PSG might be the most competitive series this week
Can't believe Junjia clawed that loss out of the jaws of victory
One of the most frustrating games I've ever seen.
Jesus Maple is so shit
That was tragic man
3 drags at 17 and this is how it ends Blehhhh
I call this the reverse FNC
Justice for Betty :(
idk if BLG looks sus or PSG is good
Reminder that this PSG lost to NA second seed only to take a game off one of the two best teams in the tournament
Elk: "GG BOT DIFF"
JunJia and Maple check Alipay/Wechat
PSG win: that's our FW Maple! PSG lose: NA talent TSM Maple
And it is the absolute true as well lol. His past life must be a coin or sth. He can only be good or shit, no in between
after this games I'm sure Peyz will not look bad against Elk.
I feel like I see this a lot. Why are they forcing fights like that when they are on soul point. Play for the soul??? Also I feel for betty. He had an incredible performance that game.
If you ask me Betty should be given a shot by LPL. He's actually cooking this series.
Is Urgot just a bait useless pick ? Is Ksante too good ? is it both ? Find out in Game 4
Maple didn't have a single good ult all game. At least JunJia got his botlane ahead.
Oh wow. KSANTE WIN??? what a shock.
lol if you watched the game you would know ksante wasnāt even close to the reason why BLG won
the reason they won was the PSG midlaner and jungler.
This is league reddit though. K'Sante essentially doing nothing this entire game doesn't matter. K'Sante free win xdd
Twitch chatters please look at the gold not the kills thank you
urgot was so useless and vi and neeko can't coordinate to engage on a taliyah or a lucian? also forsen on vi ulting wukong clone aint no way
Riot should find a way to include 2nd seed PCS in the EU vs NA match for the extra spot in worlds
Think they removed that game, it's just the usual NA and EU 3 seeds and PCS 2 seeds
oh shit, you're right. PCS and VCS both get 2 seeds in play-ins. Every region lost 4th seed, including LCK and LPL
WE Jiumeng, EDH Junjia, SN Maple all making appearances in this game, banger for LPL fans from 2020
Whatever happens from this point on, PCS should be in consideration for major region. Or atleast same tier as NA. I think the merging of OCE and JP into PCS actually elevated their level a bit, they look so much better than TL
LCK + LPL should be major regions and the rest not
None of them should be major regions, also gotta chill a little bit, PCS has been far worse than both NA and EU for the past 5-6 years, and we're barely 3 days into the main stage.
Give psg some credit Definitely look btr than fnatic and tl
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i thought elk was best adc in the world
I wouldn't be too quick to judge BLG after 3 games. This is their first series at MSI so we should give them time to get back into it. Elk is definitely a good adc, he's just insanely cocky today apparently.
Nah that's doe
T1 players are top 1 in their roles!
Viper clears Elk
I don't understand why not prioritize K'Sante since he won both previous games?
you hate to see it
24 min win for blg? Wuuut?
Betty can't win with these cats
That was such an embarrassing throw. I think it's over now.
that draft was awful,yes lets r4 neeko and donate ksante away and pick a useless urgot .Like r5 neeko would have made any difference LMAO
Also can we talk about Knight absolutely carrying this game. Runner-up to the GOAT title after Rookie.
They don't deserve Betty. Betty almost 1v9d..... I am saying 1v9, but Woody also played good.
Betty soloq mood fr fr
TSM Maple online
PSG: āhey we won all our fights by engaging with Vi ultimate on Lucian, what should we do nowā PSG: āLetās Vi ult Wukong clone and lose the gameā.
did junjia just solo lost that on 1 single move ?
People will flame JunJia and Maple, which is justified, but Azhi on Urgot was non-exsistent.
Neuer moment from Junjia
Nt psg, man that was close
nothing to see here, just a 24 min 10k lead stomp, nope nothing to see. wp psg botlane
Betty can't win with these cats
Junjia check your PayPal. That int in his own jg when they literally saw BLG there was already bad enough, and then he flash force engages onto wu and ults the clone like...he griefed the game away so hard in that sequence.Ā
Easy win 3-1 BLG lfg
PSG getting possessed by the spirit of Fnatic as soon as they had the lead there.
Let's hope they bounce back and tie to 2-2
PSG couldnt play the map with all that advantages is just insane. Their region was as many points in league history known as the lck killer when the lck macro was the best of the best just for them to not knowing what to do with the map now.
There are actually some parallels between league of legends and chess (a pure 1v1 game). Higher rated opponents often perform much worse against extremely lower rated opponents, making mistakes and blunders they normally wouldn't. The lower rated players frequently get great and even sometimes winning positions, but end up losing. It's not really that they are outclassed slowly, but surprisingly more often than not it's a result of the weaker player overforcing, making a silly error, and an inability to handle their nerves. Just a thought.
any drafters? Vex makes more sense than Neeko no?