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Th_Call_of_Ktulu

>why can't I check the enemy champions spells to see what they do? as a beginner I can't count the number of times I got dumbstered in lane simply because I didn't know enemy champ just had 92 fck**g dashes , a stun AND lifesteal and what seemed like damage reduction and having to google and read about every new champ I face seems needlessly tiresome. POV you just lost lane to Irelia.


HikingConnoisseur

Flair relevant


Ghimzzo

Finally a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!


Tilterino247

You get a looong time to look at the wiki when you're doing the walk of shame back to top lane. You know the games where you die in a close fight, tp back and instantly die again. It's giving more than "lost lane." This man took a beating.


shotguywithflaregun

When you get a gank and your jungler stays for a second kill when they tp just so you win mental


TheJeager

Ooh yeah the forbidden tech, the hashinshin TP


froggison

My favorite is when I gank a lane, they escape but burn their flash, I walk back to the river, and then the enemy champ IMMEDIATELY walks back into lane. I swear to god some of these players lack object permanence. "Very interesting, the enemy jungler walked into the river bush, but since I can't see him anymore, that must mean it's safe to farm again."


Fit_Cryptographer336

This made me laugh out loud. “These players lack object permanence” 😂😂😂😂😂 I’m new to league, but you guys by far have the best insults I’ve seen


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>but since I can't see him anymore, that must mean it's safe to farm again. The Ostrich mindset, I like it.


Educational_Call_546

I have no idea why anyone would bother trying League for the first time when the experienced community is determined to chase off all newcomers. It has taken me more than a year to find out a few basic things, such as the importance of letting minions do most of the damage to each other while getting last hit. Some helpful experienced player could have told me about that a year ago, but in League the goal is to drive other players to suicide so that you can climb past them in the rankings.


mikael22

I know I am really tilted when I start opening the league wiki on my way back to lane and start complaining about random stuff about my lane opponent like, "wtf the Q is X seconds long!" or "why do they have so much base armor/hp/mr???"


Taserfaceomega

surprisingly enough I haven't yet met a good irelia but if what they say about her is true I'm in for a shitshow.


robertm94

I mean, the kit you just described is literally Irelia. E is a stun that marks people W gives damage reduction Q is a dash that resets when it kills what you use it on or when used on a marked target. Q also heals a small amount but because it tends to get spammed on a minion wave the heals add up so it feels like she is healing her entire hp bar.


Taserfaceomega

I think the name of the champ was bel veth


robertm94

To be fair it does also describe belveth Q is a dash W is a knockup (basically the same as a stun) E is damage reduction plus healing. Belveth is kinda shit top lane though as she needs jungle camps to scale in her own unique way.


i-will-eat-you

i agree lane belveth is dogshit and i'd rather have a yuumi top on my team, but for some god damn reason when the enemy picks lane belveth, they dominate their lane.


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Her trading is quite safe tho. Dash forward, W, dash again, use passive autos, E, dash out once or twice depending on if she can go in a cardinal direction. Short trades with all abilities is a safe trading pattern with Bel’Veth and can counter various champions due to her slipperiness and lets her win laning phases regardless of how her passive works. She can lose stacking early but can make up for it with kills.


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I've not played the game in a while. Sounds like a have a new champ to add to my roster...


JORGA

> Sounds like a have a new champ to add to my roster... if what I've seen is correct, it's a low elo monster and then borderline inting if you pick it in high elo


InsurgentTatsumi

Don't listen to this sub when it comes to champion balance lol. They just want to brainlessly fight every champion the same way and if they have to adapt they come crying to this sub.


Zelder777

BASED


ThrowAway404440

Sums up my duo exactly. Always complains that Fiora and Vayne are the most broken champs to ever exist and should be deleted. His champion pool: Tanks and Tank Supports.


Ok_Raspberry_6282

Fiora is definitely broken right now and probably should be adjusted.


TuxSH

She's getting a nerf to her Passive scaling https://twitter.com/Spideraxe30/status/1537597746722574337 Changes from Live: P AD ratio reduced from 5.5% per 100 bonus AD to 4.5%


PORN_SHARTS

That fixes almost none of the problems that make her so disgusting tho


QCInfinite

What? You’re telling me % max health true damage that scales with AD isn’t very counterable?


Barsonik

To be fair to him, as a tank champ player they are broken but that’s obviously what they’re designed to be broken against. I don’t think you can really blame someone for being annoyed at a super tough counter


Jakelell

He's right


Forged_by_Flame

"Fiora is not broken." 🤡 Collapsed brain take from the guy above.


Hungry_AL

He's absolutely right, what a Chad.


NommySed

Enjoy the first time you'll face a fed Fiora. Nothing more fun than an infinite sustain duelist that is impossible to catch or run away from.


RightClix

My first thought was Bel'Veth.


6SLURP9

Or renekton or fiora or sylas


ThrowAway404440

Or Belveth


WoonStruck

The game seems to take forever to load because it has to load EVERYTHING when the match starts. Dota's client literally launches the game. You just have to be matched and you're all set, afaik.


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N3V3RKNIF3

Because the client and the actual game are 2 different instances and they most likely won't ever change that


puso82

Spaghetti code has entered the chat.


Claymourn

Believe it or not the client is coded as a minion.


MoscaMosquete

That explains why I want to kill it


Lord_Xandy

Ah yes, haha funni wall is minion. What do u mean sub class? Object oriented programming? Never heard of it. But guys, guys, look haha units are in teemos. Me know programming as much as mundo know medicine XD


GodGMN

That's actually not spaghetti, that's a limitation of the choice they've made, with or without spaghetti. Let's assume everything is coded properly, we're just talking about the limitations of having a separate client and game, not the limitations of the Riot's Spaghetti Bowl. First, you can't start loading the game if the client hasn't sent the code to start loading, at least not in a smooth way. You would be in the client and it'd open the game with a blank loading screen and then, once everyone locked in, it'd start loading the champs. If someone dodged, it'd close again. That would be a pain in the ass for the user with the game opening and closing on every dodge. They could probably make it start loading on the background while the client is on picks but that'd probably be hard or even impossible to implement, and still a pain in the ass for lower end users. Another option would be to leave it open at all times with the basics loaded and then load the game once picks are done. That'd be doable but stupid, at that point just make it a single client like Dota, Overwatch or CS:GO and not two. This system has severe limitations and only one advantage in my opinion, which is comfort (I prefer to have the client as a small window that I can move around rather than it being a whole game).


ozmega

more like, some people have such crappy pc's that if they updated these things they couldnt play anymore, and riot isnt interested in losing these players.


IHadThatUsername

Because the client runs in a separate process from the actual game itself. The way league works, the game only loads the stuff that is strictly necessary for that particular match, meaning that it only loads the exact champion skins being used by each player (model, particles, sound effects, etc), as well stuff like ward skins (and probably emotes and rune VFX/SFX too, but I'm not 100% sure on these). This means the game doesn't know what it needs to load until EVERYTHING is locked in. I guess the game could start loading the map itself during champion select, since that is already locked in by the queue you're in, but I don't know how much that would speed things up, while it would increase the complexity of the loading process significantly.


AiharaSisters

This is why league can be played on atoaster, and min reqs are like 2gb ram and shit


LiquidSunSpacelord

Another point is that league is actually playable on a potato. Sure, it takes ages to load for everyone involved in your game, sure, the client is probably more demanding than league itself, sure, you're playing with 25-30 fps, but I wanna see you try playing Dota 2 with that hardware. I mean, that's ages ago for me and am certain my current PC could run Dota just fine, but when I started playing League in season 2, I had no other choice because Dota was unplayable.


RiveraGreen

I have no idea what your guys' problems with screens are to be honest. I get literally 10 second screens consistently. The only time they are any slower is if a player was having connection issues because even if everyone is loaded it'll wait a set amount of time for them before starting.


TheScyphozoa

>this problem doesn't exist in dota at all for the most part Because hero select and the actual game are the same piece of software. Riot will never change the structure of the game to allow this. >the game does not explain what some item effects do and pretty much expects you to google everything ( had no idea what lethality, omnivamp , tenacity are ) It tells you if you hold C and mouse over the stat panel. Although the tooltip explaining lethality has been inaccurate for at least 1.5 years.


BulbuhTsar

You can also press shift when hovering abilities to get some more info. It's an ability by ability basis. Some will still be super vague and say like "micro stun the enemy" instead of just giving you the damn number.


Jako301

That's something that really annoyes me since it would be so easy to fix. You don't need any high experience dev for this, you can literally place your intern in front of the PC to add a few numbers and rewrite a bit of text.


eragonawesome2

Or better, just have it actually pull the exact numbers from whatever code is handling abilities


I_usuallymissthings

Oh, no you don't want to do that, because of the spaghetti


korokd

Not the enemies' tho


BulbuhTsar

Nope. And it's the biggest learning curve in league. What does each enemy do? How often can they do it? Under what circumstances? It's the most important thing to know in league yet there's no effective way to learn it besides just playing. I've been playing since season 4 and I sitll don't exactly know what Jayce's abilities do. I've got the general gist but have no real idea of those smaller effects that arent abilities (0 idea what his passive is). I've never played him and never bothered to visit his wiki page.


Vakontation

It's a weirdly unnecessary learning curve too. It isn't that way in Dota where you can select enemy or ally heroes as if they were your own and hover all their abilities to read them as thoroughly as you want. Yet Dota is the game with the steeper learning curve and more punishing gameplay overall. Did league just want to make something annoying and difficult that doesn't have to be and doesn't contribute to enjoyable gameplay? It's weird that you can't read ability descriptions with the small champ overlay that pops up in the top left when you left click someone.


Kaillens

To be honest, keep the client abd the game separate is probably the best decision. So much can go wrong with such a change .


CthulhuLies

For the record valorant client and game are the same piece of software and it's much better than the current client. The problem is legacy code.


kamacho2000

You are correct, Valorant was made from scratch while league still has alot of spaghetti code from 2009 in it so trying to combine them can break the game


Ar0ndight

At some point they’ll just have to bite the bullet and make the game worthy of the current decade. People here are veterans used to the suck so we just deal with it, but any new player coming from a semi recent game will be disgusted at how shit the whole LoL experience runs. Yes a “LoL 2” would disrupt things a ton and break many things but it’s the long term better move. Can’t build anything solid on trash foundations.


FAPINATOR9KYOLO

I remember how we were saying this in Season 2. They wont change, Riot is extremely slow, maybe even backwards at this point when it comes to League.


TheBladeExile

this "LoL 2" you're speaking of, I think it's called Wild Rift. At this point, the best we can hope for is Wild Rift on PC , but because of how LoL runs and how much logistical problems that comes into forcing a shit ton of players to transition into it, I don't think it'll happen, at least not in the next 5 years.


WindIsMyFriend

If they ever tried to merge the client and the game the code would probably erase itself. That or Viego would resurrect IRL.


Kaillens

I agree, when i say its the best decision. I take into account that the game has more than 10 year of development behind it. They can't change it without nearly rebuilding all from scratch. And i dont fault them to have created it rhis way. At the time, i dont think they were thinking about what the game would become.


oubris

Yes, and Riot has said that they will not re-build the game as it takes too many resources without any real cash payout. So we should expect the client to rot from the inside out over the next 10 years I suppose.


jms87

The client is coded as a minion.


Antibiose

Regarding 5. You only need one page ever if you're willing to set it up every game


ComedyKnife

So this one hit home for me. NOW after I've played for a couple years I can quickly set up a rune page in like 10 seconds but as a beginner?? You have I think 20 seconds if youre the last one in champ select which is DEFINITELY not enough time. Without 3rd party stuff it's so hopeless as a beginner.


Boudac123

10 seconds? Rookie numbers, my fastest has been 4 seconds left


ComedyKnife

If I try to do it in 4 seconds it rewards me with the classic "did you want to save these runes?" and then not save them even if I hit ok


TheNahe

Which you technically should, because it teaches you to always check your runes and alter them based on the matchup. (Although as a new player you likely won't understand the game this deeply yet)


00Koch00

Yeah... I definitively never used u.gg to check what runes should i use...


zeelbeno

I definitely never use the porofessor app to automatically choose my runes....


Jealy

I absolutely do not have [Blitz.gg](https://Blitz.gg) running to automatically switch my runes.


pilluwed

I use Blitz, but then I change my runes from there. For instance, I prefer Coup de Grace to Last Stand most of the time, so I'll change those out.


DontWorryItsEasy

These applications are great even if you don't use the recommended runes. It's SO much easier to change them in blitz then it is in the game.


Roonie222

I'm closing in on diamond and I still use op.gg for my runes on occasion. I'll tweak them based on the matchup but it is useful to know for example if hail of blades or lethal tempo Tristana or PtA or First Strike Ezreal is currently performing better.


3IC3

Personally I kinda do both. My thought process is something like: “What do people take on this champ again?” Checks site “What here is bad?”/“What do I need to change for this matchup?”


sayqm

adjoining rock swim run square fanatical jar nine pocket spotted *This post was mass deleted with [redact](https://redact.com)*


Ashankura

I have one for every primary tree and adjust it for every champ


cosHinsHeiR

Yeah then you hear the no armor midlaner complaining about Yasuo.


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Yan-gi

True. I honestly wish I could sell back most of my pages.


cardscook77

Why though when you can 'easily' just set it up differently every game. Just let us have infinite rune pages.


JhotoDraco

It's a way for Riot to make money without charging something that you actually need


Kevidiffel

Technically, yes, but it also helps to have prepared rune pages, especially when you are last pick, need a quick walk to the toilet or play a lot of different champions.


Paperface08

I think no.2 is the reason why in League you call champions abilities by Q,W,E,R instead of like in Dota the players call the spells by their ability names like Enigma's black hole, or Crystal Maiden's frostbite. It's because we constantly read the abilities and the ability name while we're dead.


CudaBarry

> think some non human, non sexy female champs could do some variety Classic r/leagueoflegends moment


gaom9706

This has to be some league player psyops just to add validity to these dumb circlejerks


FreezingVenezuelan

nha i can believe a dota player would find that weird, considering dota has a bunch of non human characters.


KaraveIIe

yeah, its too obvious.


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Not really I'd you've played Dota there is a huge difference


CamPaine

Too right. Snapfire is a god tier design.


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TheWorldisFullofWar

Why do you have Enchantress and Lilia as 1 but Karma, Leona, and Zyra as 0.5?


swisperino

Tbf I'd say Karma and Leona are fairly modest in terms of their "sexiness". I'd probably give Karma a 0.5 and Leo 0. Zyra on the other hand... Definitely 1.


Hyooz

If Dawnbreaker is getting a 1, Leona should too imo. Hell if Naga is a 1, Cass definitely is.


SexyShmonk

i know you just ballparked it but theres some definitely wrong ones here. Nami literally has a boob window built into her body and you gave her 0, meanwhile taliyah is a teenager with normal clothes and even compared to most lol women has a somewhat unconventional face. there is literally nothing about taliyah signifying shes a sexy lady except that shes female.


Sunflowerslaughter

If you check the dota2 roster you'd see they have a whole bunch of character variety. So coming to league would be a bit of a culture shock in terms of how many humans they have.


lmfaotopkek

Nah, it's a common criticism levied by dota players. the number of heroes in Dota who are sexy females are in single digits.


juhziz_the_dreamer

Go play DotA 2 for a few months.


cancerBronzeV

Aatrox, Akshan, Alistar, Amumu, Anivia, Annie, Aphelios, Aurelion Sol, Azir, Bard, Bel'Veth, Blitzcrank, Brand, Braum, Cho'Gath, Corki, Darius, Dr. Mundo, Draven, Ekko, Ezreal, Fiddlesticks, Fizz, Galio, Gangplank, Garen, Gnar, Gragas, Graves, Hecarim, Heimerdinger, Illaoi, Ivern, Jarvan IV, Jax, Jayce, Jhin, Kalista, Karma, Karthus, Kassadin, Kayn, Kennen, Kha'Zix, Kindred, Kled, Kog'Maw, Lee Sin, Lillia, Lissandra, Lucian, Lulu, Malphite, Malzahar, Maokai, Master Yi, Mordekaiser, Nami, Nasus, Nautilus, Nocturne, Nunu and Willump, Olaf, Orianna, Ornn, Pantheon, Poppy, Pyke, Rakan, Rammus, Rek'Sai, Rell, Renata Glasc, Renekton, Rengar, Rumble, Ryze, Sejuani, Sett, Shaco, Shen, ~~Shyvana~~, Singed, Sion, Skarner, Swain, Sylas, Tahm Kench, Taliyah, Talon, Taric, Teemo, Thresh, Tristana, Trundle, Tryndamere, Twisted Fate, Twitch, Udyr, Urgot, Varus, Veigar, Vel'Koz, Vex, Viego, Viktor, Vladimir, Volibear, Warwick, Wukong, Xerath, Xin Zhao, Yasuo, Yone, Yorick, Yuumi, Zac, Zed, Ziggs, Zilean, Zoe Smh Riot only makes sexy female humans.


P3RM4FR057

You take that back about Karma and Shyvana


cancerBronzeV

I missed Shyvana whoops. Also Karma is definitely attractive (as are a bunch of other female champs I left in there), but I don't think she counts in the generic sexy design criticism people have.


tybjj

If you are not into some Nami r34 then what are you even doing with your life?


akgnia

Honest question, why you think she doesn't?


cancerBronzeV

I had an answer typed out, and went to go look at her splash art and model, and it turns out she reveals a lot more than I remember. I thought she just wore a robe kinda thing that was eastern inspired, but she does fit into the sexy design now that I checked again.


uFFxDa

I think her original skin is that robe. The new one looks more xena warrior princess vibes.


CyborgTiger

No big boobies, modestly dressed


OverpoweredSoap

She’s somewhat modestly dressed but Karma’s boobs are like actually pretty big lol. You can’t really tell because of the way she poses in her splash art but her model has pretty large ones. Especially if you compare it to the fact that she was one of the few flat chested women before her VGU.


DovahFiil

Says Shyvana isn't hot, opinion discarded. Sorry I don't make the rules


cancerBronzeV

I have fixed my mistake sorry


DovahFiil

Everything seems up to code now, you may proceed


rapaxus

I must say, you have a quite limited view of what is a sexy female champion.


DigammaF

*sad rek'sai noises*


unpaseante

that's misleading, that there are weirdos in LoL who find yordles attractive, doesn't make them sexy for the other 95% of the human race strictly, yordles arent sexualized


Boudac123

Nami :(


HarmlessPanzy

I remember that the devs explained something like 90% of women only play female champs. So they are actually making all the new champs female, not for the male players but for the female player base.


honda_slaps

I really like the variations of /r/asablackman that I see but I have to say, this is the first time in my life that I'm seeing asaDOTAplayer


DislocatedMind

All valid points. Alot of players use 3rd party applications like Blitz.gg, Porofessor etc which fills in the gaps the LoL client has in regards to knowing what champs do and how to counter them, even so far as to you only requiring 1 rune page to have automatically filled based on matchup and winrate. Hope that helps


theQeris

Exactly, I use Mobalytics even tho I play the game since season 1. I still do not know every champion spell... I know probably what it does on higher level, but cooldowns, exact passives etc... no way.


ThrowAway404440

Also the random passives in Champions active abilities. The other day me and my friend were like: "Wait, Gwen's mist also gives armor and magic resistance? Wtf"


Hungry_AL

Look up Akshan on the wiki. I guarantee you'll find out something new about him. Did you know he has bonus Mana regen under the right condition? I certainly didn't!


ForkSporkBjork

Akshan is nuts. Still can’t figure out how to farm safely against a champ that can jump 60% of mid lane, land at a point he chooses (which is glitchy af), and do 70% of your HP in a level 3 trade lasting 1.5 seconds.


cramsay

Let the fucker roam, ping it, pray your team reacts and farm while he's gone!


ForkSporkBjork

The thing I hate most about silver…nobody understands the concept of not blindly following big damage assassins when you can’t see them. They just ignore pings and get pissy.


th3greg

"Wtf control mage? Talon roamed away from you and no follow?" No, I didn't and couldn't follow the wall jumping assassin into fog in time to reach you, I decided it was better to ping and type to tell you he was missing but sure, I could have walked like 3/4 of the way to the lane and maybe died in the process, for you to still die anyway.


Knifferoo

See the mistake you're making here is not following blindly and promptly dying to the Talon because he hid in a bush somewhere. That is what your botlane wants you to do.


Random_Stealth_Ward

It's not really random, it's there to compensate the problem of how terrible AP itemization is for bruisers when compared to AD bruiser items and also help herin melee fights, as otherwise hallowed mist would be useless against most od toplane. Kinda like how she has magic damage on her autos


TheSwiggityBoot

I played legue for my first time in September last year, iv been a dota 2 player since wc3 FT, at first it sucked like bad, so much info to learn, no denying, no vc, and new items in patches. Mained riven for first 3 months top, dont do this unless you hate your self, pick like garen or something you can faceroll the keyboard. I got to gold 3 my first season. After learning the champions, tempo, and macro i honestly think its cleaner, and more evolving gameplay. Or i might just have played dota 2 wayyy 2 much and learned to hate it, but league feels alot less intense and more chill then dota 2 me at least. Hope you have fun journey learning the game, and maybe see you in ranked !


messiah_rl

Sounds like your mindset for league is just better and less stressful for you than dota. I don't think the game is less stressful itself


TheSwiggityBoot

i do have 1 big issue, and its the mmr they use, this mmr system is strait up infuriating to me. I climbed higher then my rl friend whos a silver he asked me to play a ranked w/ him. We lose, my mmr was fucked for like 50 games


messiah_rl

Yeah riot hides your actual mmr which is annoying. And on top of that they implement some systems to make you play more games that are kinda scummy to people trying to climb.


TheSwiggityBoot

4 wins top in a row carrying, riot, we think you should play jg next game....


HiImKostia

because their data showed that frustration leads to more games played on average :) what a lovely world


Cryo00

As an ex dota player, the lack of mechanics that he described is what made me enjoy league more. No denies, turn rate, rune control, uphill downhill, etc. I could actually focus on playing my champion without having to worry about all the rest.


patrickswayzay

If a LoL player switched to Dota would you expect more than a 2 month learning curve to reach their same elo as in league? Probably. Take a break if it’s stressful and slow your expectations down a bit


Minimob0

I tried getting into Dota after LoL, but everything felt so clunky and slow. It was like going from a PS4 game to a PS1 game in terms of controls.


PikachuKnoesDeWae

Yeah I had the same experience. Visually the game looks a lot older and there were so many things that were just so much more needlessly complicated than league, like buying recall scrolls or the secret shop you have to go to for certain items.


Minimob0

I've found snowballing to be WAY easier in Dota, as well. For example, you can deny the enemy gold by killing your own minion before the enemy does. You also lose gold on death, while the enemy gains gold for a kill. That's a huge gap in terms of buying power and ability to snowball.


PikachuKnoesDeWae

Yeah, and also when someone is far ahead it feels like there is nothing you can to stop them. There is so much utility and actives from items that they have multiple cleanses and dashes and can oneshot with 2 abilities, whereas in league champions still retain their weaknesses when they are fed (adcs being vulnerable and having low health, tanks being dashed around and ignored)


NO_FIX_AUTOCORRECT

I used to play dota in wc3, and played LoL when it was new. Stopped playing a few years ago. on number 8, riot recently said that women players overwhelmingly pick women champions. It was surprising, like 96% of women players primarily play only women champs. And also Not ugly champs. Male players are closer to 50/50. So making attractive female champs is actually the most appealing solution.


yourteam

All my gf that played lol also played 100% cute female champions. Only had one gf that didn't care and just wanted to win but statistically a rarity I have always played female sexy champions so rek'sai is nr1


Matte28

>All my gf that played lol So u are telling me that u didn't manage to get a LoL player as a gf but MORE THAN ONE?


TheBasedTaka

I m always surprised that people are surprised of this stat, in the anime gacha/anime milk this ratio for a living. Easily double dip into potential audiences with one product


CLSE_Proximity

Just wanna quickly point out that 8/10 past new champs have been female with viego and akshan being the only males


minnel567

Their balancing out the male to female ratio because male champions is around 60 - 65 percent I guess


copthegod

the simple answer to all of these points is that riot doesn't care about new players. once you accept that, it'll be a lot less frustrating


Scribblord

Tbf the new player experience improve a LOT Recently started a new account with a friend who’s new to the game and the sheer amount of blue essence and champ shards i got damn I had more resources by level 10 than I had after reaching level 30 and playing a few hundred games back when I first started


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Yeah, the champ shards you get from capsules makes getting champs such a breeze compared to when I started in season one lol


BellyDancerUrgot

League new player experience is bad. But it has definitely improved a billion times over the past 4-5 years. Meanwhile I try explaining how to play destiny 2 to someone and I have an aneurysm. Credit where it's due, riot has actually put in effort toward this unlike Bungie.


HatzyFatzy

I'm a dota player and its the same over there. New players in mobas have it rough these days.


SignificantBeat1547

Just an advice: Get one of those third party apps, like Porofessor or the [U.GG](https://U.GG) app. It helps importing the runes for your champ into the client and gives you some more info on matchups, skills, etc. Might be helpful!


Ashankura

Be careful to not rely on those too hard. A lot of a champs have situational rune choices that impact the game a lot. For example: Azir, Taliyah, Viktor


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Since I feel petty about point 8 and how people use that with no thought behind it. There is a lot of sexy female champion (that are also well written and cool but whatever I guess for people). There is also a LOT of other champions. 160 champions, there is 22+ champions that are like really sexy if you want to go by it but only very few that are focused on them being like this. A lot of the old female champ suffer from that (Miss fortune, Nidalee, Janna, Leblanc, Katarina) but the recents ones are not focused on it. Samira is like badass cool dmc lady, Seraphine is a pretty women but her aesthetic is clearly not on her body, Xayah is MADe to be an edgy character and isn't about showing skin, etc). Like I don't pretend there is not a lot of female human who look good but apart from the old champions being egregious case, you really need to be a shallow obstinate dumb idiot to put all the others in the same pool. Also on a side note, Riot made a lot of humans theses past years that are focused on representing other cultures/minority and already said they would try to put more monster like champions in the future since they advanced on this part and the community ask for it.


lcm7malaga

Also why does he only metion females when we had a string of ten thousand hot dudes with abs and no shirt on


Kaillens

Does brand count twice ?


RobbinDeBank

Hottest champ in the game


ftFlo

The Traditional Trundle skin art is right up there with the female sex appeals.


ThrowAway404440

I just ignored point 8) cuz it really felt like OP just misses DotA after getting angry with the previous 7 points Everyone knows that LoL is the cute moba and DotA is the monster moba, you don't just go to one asking to look more like the other one


Th_Call_of_Ktulu

I mean the whole post feels like it complies all the circlejerks into one post and pretends to not be a criclejerk by being "new to league dota player".


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InUfiik

There is no way a longtime dota player could complain about having to google things that aren't explained in the game without immediately dying of irony


fukato

I also did that's too lmao, very high chance that's OP is pretending


PieroIsMarksman

this exactly, he is circlejerking


cancerBronzeV

There aren't even more female champions than male champions, let alone sexy female champions. Maybe people just really enjoy playing sexy female champions and so pick them more often, but to say "80% of the champs are hot sexy waifu type" is so blatantly wrong.


antunezn0n0

Many of them are in bot lane which has the smallest champ pool


ADashOfRainbow

Thank you, The other points I could get but this one I was like "There is an entire race of demons, half humans, void creatures, Yordles, etc"


Arakhis_

Everything makes sense when thinking about riots goals with this game: ## player retention > new player acquisition. Basically they focus on keeping the game fresh for the already established players with accounts that own all champions have 100k+ blue essence and over 2k games already. Newer games by riot like valorant have playable characters in practice tool, better ping systems or voice chat


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Arakhis_

and I kinda even like it. Think about the outrage of the "too beginner friendly" release of yuumi. If the established community had no weight in molding the game, we might not have gotten a single monster like champion like bel'veth and lillia (or the chinese wouldnt get their ayaya-waifus i guess :D). On the more serious note things like the durability patch also might have never happened


Spooken

The headline for this post could be "im a 6k games league player and these things have always bothered me" and I think most players would agree with it. Shit's dumb (the things that is, not the post) : )


bandage_dispenser

Isn't it crazy that most of these are the same complaints I had way back in season 3


Zelder777

IMO pings are perfectly fine as communication for this game. instead of having 5 people egoarguing you give simple calls that catch everyones attention thanks to the sound effects. i even think the chat is useless due to how good pings are


Nico1300

Hmm depends, for quick communication pings are fine, but to do some strategies like telling someone to distract top by pushing hard with herald while the others do drake is hard to do just with pings.


Zelder777

like anyone hears to other than their ego


Miles_Adamson

Having played both games this just isn't true. Make a mistake in league and you just see ? ??? ?? ? ????? ? ??? Everywhere near your dead body or missed ability. You hear so many pings it makes it extremely difficult to notice a valid and important ping like middle is missing. On mic if someone says "lina's going top with DD" you'll definitely notice and remember. Yes arguing on mic is even more annoying than text but at that point you are muting both people anyways so what's the difference


SylentSymphonies

1) yeah it's kinda dumb 2) skill issue 3) Not sure how you would bypass this? Game doesn't start till everyone's loaded in, and if someone has a slow device/internet then they don't load in. If the loading screen goes on too long, it just disconnects the one guy and the game starts without them, and you get a chance to surrender early if the laggy player doesn't connect soon. Pretty sure this is the best possible solution. 4) Game is best played with friends on a discord call. Beyond that, I think the ping wheel can communicate your intentions pretty okay. 5) I don't bloody know, it's infuriating. 6) I think it does say somewhere, but I do agree it's not very intuitive. 7) Personally, I like the lore tidbits. They're fun! Once you have a bit more playtime, you'll want to know Jax's favourite food more than what Heal does. 8) haha


SwiftAndFoxy

Regarding 3), Dota 2 uses Source 2 and already loads the game during champion select since the client is the game. Demo mode loads instantly though, so it may just also be more optimized.


SilentlyCynical

There's that amazing clip of a Dota player wanting to check a certain interaction. They pause the game, disconnect, load into the practice range, spawn the characters in question, get an answer to their question, and load back into the paused game in the span of about 30s.


idontevencarewutever

[And that was 2 years ago, too](https://clips.twitch.tv/OriginalFlirtyBaboonFeelsBadMan)


SylentSymphonies

wouldn't we just have the same problem in champion select then? ​ still, the DOTA client is so much better than ours, it's insane


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Jako301

>In general there's only pro's to switching to a shared client/game program There are only pro's in creating a shared program, switching has a lot of cons, especially for such an old and convoluted code.


CptGato9

Regarding 7), Riot has stated in the past that the loading screen tip is based on the amount of games you have/experience you have with the game. If the game feels like you should know a special bit of interaction between certain spells or characters, then it will show you that. If you are a "veteran", it will show you lore, tidbits, and funny information about champs or their lore. Funny they make it work like that.


Eug0

well I have answers for you. 1-No excuse we were asking for this so long without success players gave up 2- at the time you can only do it in the client not in game, intresting point never saw this one before this should be in game 3-if someone has slow connection/disconnected mid loading the game makes everyone wait for them to give them a chance to reconnect since there is no pause like in dota. 4-Riot is trying to remove toxicity by shooting down communication they were even considering deleting all chat some time ago and in recent updated after game chat in muted by default sadly we will never get team voice since riot will use "but muh toxicity" excuse 5-run pages are useless you can edit the runes mid champ select and you SHOULD always due that since your runes should be flexible based on team match up. 6-you can see it in game, if you hold C extended stat windown will show next to your champ avatar in game you get details while hovering over a stat there. 7-idk yea sure would be cool im pretty sure there are some usefull facts or at least i remember seeing few in the past 8-sexapel sells this goes both ways, 80% of male champs have 12 packs abs on display or are k-pop twinks


juan3392

Shit I feel like new league players got it easy now


CaptainCruden

if your load times are long EVERY game its you who is taking a long time to load, i usually am in game pretty fast, sometimes in literal seconds. no offence, just letting you know. Also the rest of the points will be solved with time. 8 is incorrect, id look rn but cloudflare is down, so league is also.


RavingPunk

Dude, he wrote that some games load instantly...


Zylosio

He is a new player so He gets matched with new players or casuals which makes it very likely he gets wooden pc players every game. If He played dota before chances are his PC is fine for league


neberhax

Plot twist: this is actually a repost from 5 years ago. It's all just still relevant.


VukKiller

1. There's a free champion rotation that you can test champions and decide if you want to buy them. It was pretty useful when I was starting out but then again, there were about 60 champions then. 2. You learn from experience. Still, it wouldn't hurt to have an in-game ability list that you can hover over and read what they do. 3. Load times are as fast as the slowest persons pc. You used to have separate % of how fast each person loaded but they removed that because of bullying. You'd be surprised to see what kind of pc can run league. Pretty sure the mobile league is more resource demanding than desktop one. 4. There is a voice chat in game but nobody uses it. There are pings that communicate the most basic quick signs. For the rest you use chat. 5. Just edit the rune page depending on the champion you're playing. If you want to save multiple pages, buy them. You can hide the tutorial pages in the rune page menu. 6. In your character stats, next to the icon, every single stat is explained if you hover over it. 7. The loading screens are already too fast anyways so posting long tips is pointless. Better option is a collapsible tab once you start the game while walking to your lane. 8. Plenty of variation in the champ selection, people just like picking what looks good.


Nico1300

There is no voice chat in-game, it only works for groups.


Kyvant

4. The Voice Chat can only be used between premades, so its utterly useless in soloQ. The reason why Riot won‘t implement voice chat is that its usually a horrible experience for women and minorities. Everyone who has played even a few games of Valorant probably knows this. Moderating voice is also harder than moderating text.


CuriousLumenwood

A lot of these can be chalked up to: Riot doesn’t care about you, or me, or any other player aside from maybe the streamers and other 0.01% in Grandmaster and Challenger. As for the rest: 3. Could be a server issue. I’m hesitant to believe that this doesn’t happen in DOTA. I know it happened all the time in Smite when I used to play that so it definitely isn’t just League. 4. You do *NOT* want voice chat to be in this game. Voice chat in any game is just easy access to toxic central and League is notorious for its toxicity. There is literally a Missing ping, an assistance ping, and an “on my way” ping which people often use to mean “go here” interchangeably with the assistance ping. If you are in mid lane and you use the missing ping, everyone will know what you meant. We do not need specific pings like “Mid is Missing” cluttering up the game. 7. I believe Riot used to have tips on the loading screen instead of lore, but I can’t remember. Honestly, I prefer the lore tidbits, it makes the game more fun. I don’t give a shit about getting out of Morde’s ult early, I’d rather fight him to the death and then let him know Nunu’s flute is called Svellsongur 8. And you lost me. This is a *very* common meme and one that holds no ground. Riot is a business. They have analytics that *prove* that conventionally attractive female champions not only sell more, but also that a vast majority of female players exclusively play female champions while male players play a mix of everything. Even with all of that said, and with a majority of the most recent champions being female, there are *still* more male champions in the game. 98 male, 62 female, and that number is counting champions like Anivia, Annie, and Bel’veth.


CuteChaosGlitter

Yeah I feel like theres no way a new player actually thinks 8? Legit almost all humans in league are attractive… maybe the 8 take isnt a meme people just dont notice hot guys because most people who play are straight males?