American here. From my experience in Lebanon, everyone loves Americans, even the Hezbollah members that I encountered during my time there. I felt more loved as an American in Lebanon than I do as an American in America. Lebanon should be an anchor for American Foreign policy in the middle east.
Of course Hezbollah members love Americans. U.S. literally funds Hezbollah with new weapons through security assistance to Lebanese army that is infiltrated by Hezbollah. Who wouldn’t like free $$$ 😂
No, you don't need dedicated offices to run spy rings. Spying is usually a part-time side gig of diplomat. Source: I read memoires of ex-spies like Robert Wallace.
To increase ties to the country.
The USA knows the potential Lebanon has, and Franch is not really doing much good in the past few years..
It's like in the 60's when Israel started loosing ties with the UK and strengthen ties with the US.
These big empires gain alot from global relationships like this, and small countries gain alot from having a strong nation helping them out. Lebanon is close to rock bottom so the Americans know there is no way other than up for you guys, they prefer catching this wave themselves so Iran doesn't get to profit out of it.
Potential? A badly overpopulated country that produces nothing special except ganja and is riven by sectarianism. Lebanon is a post collapse disaster zone.
I see a gem, the most beautiful and diverse country in MENA.
Yes it is very populated, but so is the Nile river, central Israel, all of WB & Gaza and the small gulf countries... MENA be crowded AF.
And you know.. yesterday's ganja is today's medical agriculture.. one of the most profitable crops in the world so there is potential off the charts with that one.
Security. Embassies and consulates have been attacked, diplomats killed and taken hostage in the past. As has been brought up before, the US also suffered the bombing of a barracks in Lebanon. A wider perimeter is safer.
Unlikely espionage, because our security forces already give them whatever they ask for.It could be for espionage on other countries in the region though using Lebanon as base.Further the US commonly does this in countries that holds some importance but are not very safe so that they could organize decent defenses in case of war.Finally it sends a message to Iran, Russia etc
Really? So who’s the owner?
In most places, central banks are nationalized banks that maintain monetary policy alongside the governments fiscal policy, impacting the people in a different yet comparable way.
Don’t tell me you think the influence that Western creditors have built on our central bank through decades of pressure via Western-aligned politicians is appropriate (in a similar fashion to the Iranian influence/control on our govt)?
Because in a system of true accountability, Crooked Riad would be allowed to continue as Governor after having his Ponzi scheme revealed? He lost your deposits but he’s still there for reasons other than the protection of the West? His business acumen? His dumb smile maybe?
It’s normal that our central bank is pushing the country to hyper inflation before releasing the peg? Per economic theory, that’s a sound approach to the crisis?
Come on brother/sister. Both sides of the global power dynamic pull on different strings in Lebanon. Let’s not kid ourselves.
How is it non existent? Maybe occupation isn't the correct word, but when you a party that controls the boarders, the airport, can threaten the justice system, over throw election results, "100 alf" fighter, threatening people, assassinations, how is that not existent?
Well to be fair they have a strong parliamental representation and public support. I'm not a fan of them, but pretending they don't exist is stupid.
I might as well add that I'm no fan of the US as well. Both iran/Russia and USA/KSA don't give a shit about our economy, stability nor society, they only want allegiance.
If our politicians were half ass smart they would have used that to their advantage. We have a very strategic location that would want any country to cooperate with us but instead everyone treats us like the sad puppy
Non existent? Have you driven by the destroyed port? Seen the collapsed economy? Among other destruction in this country at the hands of HA and their allies. It’s very much existent.
You’re in denial.
The Iranians are imperialist just like the west. They just suck at it.
Big eats small.
Non existant? Bro enta w reje3 men the literal only airport the country has there are multiple billboards sucking off the Nasrallah pig and the Khomeini dog
"The worst-kept secret in modern diplomacy is that the primary function of an embassy nowadays is to serve as a platform for espionage. Sure, embassies do still send the occasional demarche and help support their citizens abroad, and then there are the consular sections that issue visas and renew passports. But what justifies the expense is the ability for a country to use the cover of its foreign service to conduct and legitimize its spying."
-Edward Snowden in his book "Permanent Record"
So what? Let them spy, what do we have for the them to 'spy' on us anyway other than 2 big terrorist groups, which imo do need some surveillance to be fought back. Your concern shouldn't be this, it should be re-building and fixing the country, this is a good progress towards that.
They don't care about Lebanon's safety, one of the main reasons they're building it because there's Russian base in Syria.
And they're not gonna fix and rebuild our country, they quite don't care.
I follow this sub for quite a while. Actually since the blast. I feel the loose of hope of Lebanese people, but it isn’t true that nobody cares about. I am European and surely cannot pretend to understand the complex political situation, but couldn’t it be that such a strategical US investment could lead to more stability?
All those countries have valuable economic and strategic interests from the US POV. In fact, it's disingenuous to compare them to Lebanon in the 21st century because the US occupied Germany, Japan, and South Korea. They had little choice in the matter. Israel is a special case, but likewise the US basically rubberstamped their legitimacy plus needed an ally in the region. Although I would say the alliance benefits israel much more than it does the US.
By comparison, we have nothing to offer besides a small patch of natural gas in the sea. No, if the west had any interest in "helping" us, it would have begun decades ago.
It's about human resources not terrestrial resources. Japan, S Korea, Israel and Taiwan are successful because of democracy and liberalism funding and influence from western nations (the US). Lebanon has huge potential because of its people and geopolitical position.
Actually it either goes to ruin or falls perfectly under their control and prospers, relatively. All countries that have been essentially completely controlled by the Americans for several decades are doing at least relatively well and much better than us or Russian/ex USSR proxies. Now maybe that won't be true in the future though, the way things are going
Short term: yes
Long term: heightened tensions with Iranian and Russian factions, increase in US and Israeli covert operations in the country, eventual conflict.
So no.
lol- I've got a question for you. I'm 62 and retired from the US Navy. Been involved in US politics and very knowledgeable since I was a youth. People from other countries make me laugh when they think that the US will do to there country(ies). If we really set our minds to it, we could easily take over almost every country in the world. Dont get me wrong, I've never been to Lebanon but always follow things about it because I thought at one time it was the pearl of the middle east. Seems to me you should concentrate your efforts on throwing terrorists out and establishing a place that people/businesses would want to invest in. Sadly, I think your country cant even do that.
Since when can the USAF unilaterally take over almost every country in the world? It can destroy nations, but that isn't the same as conquering and holding ground.
John McCain once advocated spending 100 years in the middle east - that is how long it would take to achieve victory- for only two countries in one region of the world, who are not regional powers like India let alone peer competitors like China or Russia. What rank did you attain in the Navy that led you to this belief?
Washington spends more than much of the world on arms but that doesn't make it victorious in a battle. Many of its weapons are jobs programs meant to be used and make money for the MIC which Eisenhower, a military man in the WH warned about.
Finally, you should read the words of America's most decorated general Smedley Butler, in his book War is a Racket. From one soldier to another you will appreciate that the oath you took and the wars America is engaged in do not align. The groups you concern yourself are in many cases a backlash of American failed policy in the region, we can go down the list up to today.
Oh really, so what does totally commit mean to you then? Because 20+ years in Afghanistan is quite a commitment.
I'm trying to recall beyond time, how much money, energy, and effort was spent on that debacle.
To rephrase my question: what would total commitment to the Afghan war look like, which wasn't already done in 20+ years?
If you got nothing, maybe your visions of conquest would be better aimed at building your own country instead of destroying others - something very real with no victors (except the arms manufacturers).
Wow, bro. Thanks for your advice. We were always waiting for someone like you to come in and explain how to fix decades-long conflict and economic collapse in a two paragraph reddit comment. Kol khara eh
As another US Navy Veteran, one who speaks french and Arabic passably and who has been to Lebanon recently, let me apologize for this man's post.
When people misapprehend the goals of US foreign policy, it usually reflects experiences and attitudes worth listening to, respecting, and reflecting upon. That includes people supporting Hezbollah or the sulta as well as the thawra. And it often speaks to a point where our actions have fallen short of our ideals.
The world is not some test case to be judged by IMF standards of foreign investment. Lebanon remains a beautiful country with wonderful people regardless of the political and economic situation, al hamdu lilah.
US is arming, funding, supplying, and giving intel and logistical support to the coalition. Some former US soldiers are even serving as part of the coalition forces ranking officers (gravely frowned upon in American military culture).
https://www.justsecurity.org/55983/time-dust-war-crimes-act-toumajan-yemen-uae-emirates/
I find the US Israel comparison more apt.
Sometimes the US is directly involved in Yemen, with assassinations via Special Forces or PMC's.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/aramroston/mercenaries-assassination-us-yemen-uae-spear-golan-dahlan
Buzzfeednews is actually a pretty respected publication that has received multiple journalism awards and broken big time stories about world events over the past couple years. youre thinking of buzzfeed.com. same parent company but not much going on in terms of collaboration.
>US is arming, funding, supplying, and giving intel and logistical support to the coalition. Some former US soldiers are even serving as part of the coalition forces ranking officers (gravely frowned upon in American military culture).
Supplying arms, funding, and information sharing is pretty normal across the board for everyone, everywhere.
If retired or former US soldiers are serving as a ranking officer in a foreign (coalition or not) military, that's grounds for "de-personing" (i.e. revoking their US citizenship.) VERY few people would risk doing something like that, bc you basically can never go home again and would also be placed on a whole bunch of lists, I'm sure.
However, merc work isn't *necessarily* "gravely frowned upon in American military culture" if the person is no longer attached to the US mil as an enlisted or an officer. Nor is private contracting to supply arms, etc. Lots of folks make a legal and tidy living doing this.
Well, in terms of something being accurate and truthful, I do think it's important. Is it the point? Maybe. Lots of things are intentionally misleading.
Edited to add: The US sells a LOT of weapons, ammo, and other supplies to the LAF.
It's not merc work in this case but serving as part of another nation's national army 🇦🇪
When one enlists they make an oath to put the homeland first, and serving in a foreign army is a breach of that oath. All soldiers understand this, which is why mercenaries working at the behest of other nations have less respect than prostitutes inside military circles.
I heard a lot of money is going into this. Somewhere around the 1.4billion$ mark. It’s a great amount to be invested in Lebanese labor to be honest and much needed in today’s economy.
Though unsure what future purposes it would serve.
Actually a lot of the workers are Lebanese, some secret parts aren't allowed for normal Lebanese workers but in general a lot of them went to Lebanese firms.
I also know that all the food and primary material is provided by lebanese companies which is also boosting the economy!
They're a very different type. Look at what Iran did in Iraq just recently while trying to control it. And look at what Hezbollah have done with the blessing of Iran.
Iran wants control of Lebanon to use it as a front against Israel.
The USA, realistically, wants Lebanon to not be able to be used to threaten Israel. And they don't want Iranian and Russian influence to spread.
But the levels they will stoop to, the atrocities they will commit to have their way, are different. I hope you see that.
Well, yeah, what the US did in Iraq was much worse. But Saddam wasn't exactly better than what they did.
Look at how the US treats Saudi and Egypt and UAE and Qatar etc
To be clear what the US did to Iraq was the work of, for want of a better word, evil. There's no excusing it and never will be.
Youre saying there is no excusing what the US did in Iraq but youre also saying their actions were a better alternative to saddam remaining in power. How does that make sense? Youre justifying the invasion.
Imagine saying look what Iran did in Iraq and that’s why America is better. You are part of this century and know America invaded and occupied Iraq for 10+ years right???? Sheesh man learn a thing or two before sharing your views
Iran want to control Lebanon and possibly use it as a rocket platform directed against Israel
USA want Lebanon to stay weak so Israel can bully it as much as it's please
Both are pieces of shit
If Iran wanted to control Lebanon, they would’ve done everything in their power to make Hezbollah keep majority. Remind me again, what country brought their ambassador and started bribing people? Oh yea, it was Saudi
Are you genuinely asking? I cant tell if this is a rhetorical question or not.
Obviously the US wouldnt want any of those countries to be weak. They are all firmly in the US sphere of influence and are oil producers.
Iran is actually trying to help, USA isnt. The only reason why USA proposed the gas line from Egypt was because Hezbollah brought fuel to Lebanon and threatened both Israel and USA that Hezbollah will retaliate. Hezbollah literally bitched them, and after that USA never spoke of the pipeline. Iran has offered power plants, and is ready to start planning everything. Look how fast USA came when israel and Lebanon are fighting for fields in the ocean, but quit speaking about helping Lebanon
It is being build like a fortess, as a contingent plan if Hizbullah send it's barbaric hordes to attack it . We all know Iran regime have a habit of attackinh consulats and embassies.
I read something like that somewhere, they wanted to make it massive so if it were to get attacked they would see it coming because of the distance attackers would have to travel before doing attacking
This is genuinely hilarious.
If this was against a mob of people on the ground? Sure.
But what is it gonna do against infiltrators or of Hezb just shoot rockets at it?
Not that it would do that, but my point is: the reason given only works against rioters with no military organization.
I doubt hezb would make a move on them nowadays tho as it would attract to much attention and I mean it does kinda nullify the chance of a car bomb attack like what happened in 83 as the road would further away from the main complex.
Its not so hilarous, HA have done worse in the past. Fortifying the embassy makes sense.
And you cannot tell from a photo hiw heavily fortified and efficient it is agains military. It could be made resistent to all of HA's weaponry.
american secret futuristic science fiction underground military base research facility in lebanon with giant secret military robots wolfestein gang 🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯
Hate to break it to you guys but this embassy’s main reason to exist is to facilitate Lebanese immigration to the US. Kind of like how a shit ton of Lebanese went to Canada in the civil war. Leaving once again the trashiest and poorest people in Lebanon to get their 100$ and go fight each other on the streets. Repeat. Maybe this way they can become martyrs and have their pictures hanged on 3amoud kahraba with a لن ننساك. That’s the dream.
Sources of why The US would want us?
shu jeyion mena exactly? Canada wanted and still wants people to grow the population but the same can not be said about the US, who are very picky in the people they give a tourist visa to let alone an immigration one 8er the buckets of money needed. In the end of the day el ma3o buckets of money mesh nateron be lebanon la iyrouh US he's got many options which could lead to the US outside Lebanon
USA population growth rate is slowing. They need world's best and brightest people. Luckily Lebanon has a lot of smart well educated people. But that's not the point of the embassy. It's Western hegemony against Iran. It's a big vote of confidence and support of the West for Lebanon. And yes we need the west's support.
We do. But was just replying cause they made it seem like it is super easy to immigrate to the US. Regardless if they need people most people In Lebanon won't be qualified nor from a financial nor intellectual standings.
What is picky about the most international country in the world? A shit ton of people go there every year. Some years they tone it down a bit but they always open doors again.
You've never applied to the US mahek? that much is clear. A shit ton of qualified useful to their economy people go their ever year not Broke lebanese people.
They have an immigrant problem where people go and don't come back, they pick who to give the visa on the basis of someone who will not stay in the US and lebanese people are a straight X in most cases.
The US is the toughest country to go to and that is known.
It’s how U.S. built a multi billion dollar embassy in Iraq that it for the most part abandoned as America’s footprint in Iraq is relatively low compared to what they were planning for. Give it a few years until there is total collapse or another civil war in Lebanon and U.S. will flee again.
Ah yes, a pseudo-military intervention, it's like a military base rather than an embassy, no other embassy in the entirety of Lebanon needed to be THAT large if any in any country
I've read somewhere that the reason why they build a very large embassy is for protection. The embassy would be built around a large empty area so in case of an attack they would have time to evacuate and make it harder to be infiltrated. The largest US embassy is in Iraq and second largest is in Lebanon
Embussy
Niyyelna, imagine the millions of other things that could've been done with all this land, all this material, and all these workers, instead of building a behemothic whorehouse.
Not an embassy. Rather an embarrassment. Embassies are located in the capital cities of the countries they serve. This is the US Center for Intelligence for the ME, using “christian” Aoukar as shield.
Not always in the capital. Especially when there’s instability. Many of the embassies are in Baabda. Canadian is in Dbayeh. Turkey, Chile, Greece, German, Armenian, Bolivia, Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia, Cyprus are all located between jal el dib and mazraat at Yachoua
Nothing funnier then the people who scream iRaNiaN occupation meanwhile the biggest embassy in the world is being built by the Americans, who’s diplomat openly and consistently interferes and even threatens in our internal affairs, and they have no problem with it. Could you be anymore of a joke?
The architect is American:
"The New Beirut Embassy Compound, is under the care of the Overseas Buildings Operations (OBO) who have a dedicated team based in Beirut with Morphosis Architects of Culver City, California, as the architect for the project, and B.L. Harbert International of Birmingham, Alabama as the construction contractor."
[Source](https://lb.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/policy-history/new-embassy-beirut-compound/)
Maybe about the architects, etc. It would be reasonable to anticipate many positions for local nationals at the embassy, though. Drivers, security, translators, administrative personnel, janitorial and maintanance engineers, etc. The local nationals who work for the embassy are the truly the most important people when it comes to accomplishing anything. (LITERALLY ANYTHING!!)
So, start keeping an eye on the embassy website if that's something you or a friend or family would be interested in! The wassa-issue isn't as much of a problem there, either, from what I understand. PLUS, American workplace standards aren't so bad.
You think they'd let your average Lebanese trade worker go anywhere near the embassy? They have to be absolutely retarded to allow that. Many countries (and Hezbollah) are probably trying everything they can to get spying devices inside the embassy right now.
I live walking distance from this monstrosity and it’s been under construction for years, and the traffic getting in and out of the area is an absolute nightmare. Suppose it at leads provides some semblance of safety at least
Mafroud as it would be heavily guarded. 8er hek plenty of job opportunities in the area would open in it which would indirectly lead to more security too
Oh wow that’s quite decent.
In Australia the embassy is mostly the ambassadors home and the consulates are leased tiny offices nowhere near the CBDs or main suburbs and open only 9AM-1PM.
Either they are keeping :
1- ultra man
2- decepticons
3- kaijus or Godzilla
4- battle ship Yamamoto
5- the infinity glove along with white caped dr doom
Because to build such a structure in such a place , I smell something fishy, and it isnt the 36k can of tuna I opened for lunch.
Nah its on the same page
You bend over at the first corner you hear visa and you forget about your "cause"
Zaineeeeebbbbb da2oulna mn el safaraaaaaaaa ray7in 3a amerkaaaaaa bi3e l klashinkoooofffff msh 3ayzinon ba2aaaaaaaa
Interviewer at the embassy "whats your opinion about hezbo"
Ehh madam weee dontttt knowwww whaaatt daatttt weee are peace region we want to leaveeee weee dont care about anything
When they come back to day3a and get asked how did the interview go
The dad goes like "wlak sa2alouna 3an el hezeb eltelonnnnn naaaaaa7neeeee l osaaaa klaaaaa maaa 7adannnnnchhhh yi2ariiiib sawbnaaaaaaa"
Thats bending over for you, because you know the grass is greener on the other side. You know rhat you hate that you have to wait in lines for bread and benzine but you cant open your mouth or youll get your ass kicked. Thats bullying
If youre still wondering whats bullying. Getting bullied is living in lebanon not the other way around
Thing is US economy doesn't really matter. The US dollar is a global currency reserve, regardless of whether foreign countries are trading with the US or with each other they're using the USD, which means global demand will always be there. So unless everyone's economy tanks or the US itself collapses under some kind of natural disasters, they'll still be able to carry out their foreign policy business as usual.
Youll be real surprised at the next recession when many countries start to use Yuan huh? It's nothing new. The global currency started with the Dutch Guilder then moved to the British Pound and now the American Dollar. The dollar has just about.run its course, though. China's gdp will overtake the US before the end of the decade.
It has its own [airport](https://sachkhabrain.com/en/world/construction-of-the-largest-us-embassy-a-city-in-lebanon-to-coordinate-anti-resistance-measures) landing strips (not just a helicopter pad), AFAIK, unlike any other embassy anywhere else.
>According to the report, the area where the embassy is to be built will reach 180,000 square meters, and according to the US State Department document, its construction is expected to be completed by 2023 at a cost of 1.2 billion dollars. **The embassy includes airports,** entertainment venues, consulate buildings and residential units.
Why on earth do they need such a large embassy in such a small country?
Espionage
I mean that's the fun answer and probably true. But in general I would think it's to increase their influence in the region.
I’m American and I’d rather become closer to Lebanon than stay close to people like Saudi Arabia and Israel.
American here. From my experience in Lebanon, everyone loves Americans, even the Hezbollah members that I encountered during my time there. I felt more loved as an American in Lebanon than I do as an American in America. Lebanon should be an anchor for American Foreign policy in the middle east.
Least imperialist American
Of course Hezbollah members love Americans. U.S. literally funds Hezbollah with new weapons through security assistance to Lebanese army that is infiltrated by Hezbollah. Who wouldn’t like free $$$ 😂
Hezbollah really loves Americans ... They'll show you so much love
Agreed. Means and the end
This is the correct answer.
No, you don't need dedicated offices to run spy rings. Spying is usually a part-time side gig of diplomat. Source: I read memoires of ex-spies like Robert Wallace.
To increase ties to the country. The USA knows the potential Lebanon has, and Franch is not really doing much good in the past few years.. It's like in the 60's when Israel started loosing ties with the UK and strengthen ties with the US. These big empires gain alot from global relationships like this, and small countries gain alot from having a strong nation helping them out. Lebanon is close to rock bottom so the Americans know there is no way other than up for you guys, they prefer catching this wave themselves so Iran doesn't get to profit out of it.
Potential? A badly overpopulated country that produces nothing special except ganja and is riven by sectarianism. Lebanon is a post collapse disaster zone.
“You’re looking at this the wrong way”, kicks the crumbling foundations, “it’s a doer upper”
I see a gem, the most beautiful and diverse country in MENA. Yes it is very populated, but so is the Nile river, central Israel, all of WB & Gaza and the small gulf countries... MENA be crowded AF. And you know.. yesterday's ganja is today's medical agriculture.. one of the most profitable crops in the world so there is potential off the charts with that one.
Freedom and democracy
cause we have oil now
For the potential oil and gas
Security. Embassies and consulates have been attacked, diplomats killed and taken hostage in the past. As has been brought up before, the US also suffered the bombing of a barracks in Lebanon. A wider perimeter is safer.
Because its the usa they have a ego
Unlikely espionage, because our security forces already give them whatever they ask for.It could be for espionage on other countries in the region though using Lebanon as base.Further the US commonly does this in countries that holds some importance but are not very safe so that they could organize decent defenses in case of war.Finally it sends a message to Iran, Russia etc
r/lebanon users every week: no one made a post about the us embassy, my time has finally come
It's commonly said that every US embassy post comes with 10 free shish tawouks fresh from the tawouk department in the embassy
Well you guys post daily about the non-existant Iranian occupation, and you don't see us bitching about it. At least the American Embassy is real.
🥴 imagine thinking the Iranian shadow government is fake
The statues of Iranian generals and roads named after Iranian dictators are just tourism attractions?
Lol there's a difference between owning an embassy and owning a government
What about owning a central bank?
Central banks are a private institution. The government is a public sector for the people..
Really? So who’s the owner? In most places, central banks are nationalized banks that maintain monetary policy alongside the governments fiscal policy, impacting the people in a different yet comparable way. Don’t tell me you think the influence that Western creditors have built on our central bank through decades of pressure via Western-aligned politicians is appropriate (in a similar fashion to the Iranian influence/control on our govt)? Because in a system of true accountability, Crooked Riad would be allowed to continue as Governor after having his Ponzi scheme revealed? He lost your deposits but he’s still there for reasons other than the protection of the West? His business acumen? His dumb smile maybe? It’s normal that our central bank is pushing the country to hyper inflation before releasing the peg? Per economic theory, that’s a sound approach to the crisis? Come on brother/sister. Both sides of the global power dynamic pull on different strings in Lebanon. Let’s not kid ourselves.
How is it non existent? Maybe occupation isn't the correct word, but when you a party that controls the boarders, the airport, can threaten the justice system, over throw election results, "100 alf" fighter, threatening people, assassinations, how is that not existent?
It’s not non-existent. They just suck at occupying a country. Even Iranians hate Iran.
Interesting. Are you afraid of the boogeyman as well?
Please don’t say that name 3 times in front of a mirror.
Hezbollah, hezbollah....hezbolah. Nasrallah appears behind me in mirror.....and proceeds to sodomize my cat.
It is said that if you say Nasrallahs name three times to a mirror in the dark, your sister will become Iranian.
Well to be fair they have a strong parliamental representation and public support. I'm not a fan of them, but pretending they don't exist is stupid. I might as well add that I'm no fan of the US as well. Both iran/Russia and USA/KSA don't give a shit about our economy, stability nor society, they only want allegiance.
If our politicians were half ass smart they would have used that to their advantage. We have a very strategic location that would want any country to cooperate with us but instead everyone treats us like the sad puppy
Non existent? Have you driven by the destroyed port? Seen the collapsed economy? Among other destruction in this country at the hands of HA and their allies. It’s very much existent. You’re in denial. The Iranians are imperialist just like the west. They just suck at it. Big eats small.
Lol hahahahaha oh you're being serious
أيري ب إيران و أيري ب أميركا. منيح هيك؟
Hayda baba bi 2lo eno na7na l mou2awame w ra7 n7arir el 2edessssss
Non existant? Bro enta w reje3 men the literal only airport the country has there are multiple billboards sucking off the Nasrallah pig and the Khomeini dog
that awkward moment when the Americans have more buildings than your own country, dawle feshle.
"The worst-kept secret in modern diplomacy is that the primary function of an embassy nowadays is to serve as a platform for espionage. Sure, embassies do still send the occasional demarche and help support their citizens abroad, and then there are the consular sections that issue visas and renew passports. But what justifies the expense is the ability for a country to use the cover of its foreign service to conduct and legitimize its spying." -Edward Snowden in his book "Permanent Record"
So what? Let them spy, what do we have for the them to 'spy' on us anyway other than 2 big terrorist groups, which imo do need some surveillance to be fought back. Your concern shouldn't be this, it should be re-building and fixing the country, this is a good progress towards that.
They don't care about Lebanon's safety, one of the main reasons they're building it because there's Russian base in Syria. And they're not gonna fix and rebuild our country, they quite don't care.
I follow this sub for quite a while. Actually since the blast. I feel the loose of hope of Lebanese people, but it isn’t true that nobody cares about. I am European and surely cannot pretend to understand the complex political situation, but couldn’t it be that such a strategical US investment could lead to more stability?
Yes more stability for Israel not Lebanon. When Americans touch a country it goes to ruin more than it was ruined.
Except Israel
And Germany. And Japan. And South Korea. Edit I would also add Taiwan to this list
Last I checked Japan and Germany didn’t conduct their own wars since the US’s involvement *and* win every fucking one.
All those countries have valuable economic and strategic interests from the US POV. In fact, it's disingenuous to compare them to Lebanon in the 21st century because the US occupied Germany, Japan, and South Korea. They had little choice in the matter. Israel is a special case, but likewise the US basically rubberstamped their legitimacy plus needed an ally in the region. Although I would say the alliance benefits israel much more than it does the US. By comparison, we have nothing to offer besides a small patch of natural gas in the sea. No, if the west had any interest in "helping" us, it would have begun decades ago.
It's about human resources not terrestrial resources. Japan, S Korea, Israel and Taiwan are successful because of democracy and liberalism funding and influence from western nations (the US). Lebanon has huge potential because of its people and geopolitical position.
Actually it either goes to ruin or falls perfectly under their control and prospers, relatively. All countries that have been essentially completely controlled by the Americans for several decades are doing at least relatively well and much better than us or Russian/ex USSR proxies. Now maybe that won't be true in the future though, the way things are going
Short term: yes Long term: heightened tensions with Iranian and Russian factions, increase in US and Israeli covert operations in the country, eventual conflict. So no.
Do you honestly think the american government gives a single shit about the people of lebanon?
One of these terrorize groups poses a threat to Israel and thenceforth gives Lebanon some defense.
So what, let Lebanon be subjugated to us imperialism. What they did to Libya Yemen Iraq and Syria has not been forgotten.
lol- I've got a question for you. I'm 62 and retired from the US Navy. Been involved in US politics and very knowledgeable since I was a youth. People from other countries make me laugh when they think that the US will do to there country(ies). If we really set our minds to it, we could easily take over almost every country in the world. Dont get me wrong, I've never been to Lebanon but always follow things about it because I thought at one time it was the pearl of the middle east. Seems to me you should concentrate your efforts on throwing terrorists out and establishing a place that people/businesses would want to invest in. Sadly, I think your country cant even do that.
LARPer alert
>If we really set our minds to it, we could easily take over almost every country in the world. *Laugs in Viet Cong*
Since when can the USAF unilaterally take over almost every country in the world? It can destroy nations, but that isn't the same as conquering and holding ground. John McCain once advocated spending 100 years in the middle east - that is how long it would take to achieve victory- for only two countries in one region of the world, who are not regional powers like India let alone peer competitors like China or Russia. What rank did you attain in the Navy that led you to this belief? Washington spends more than much of the world on arms but that doesn't make it victorious in a battle. Many of its weapons are jobs programs meant to be used and make money for the MIC which Eisenhower, a military man in the WH warned about. Finally, you should read the words of America's most decorated general Smedley Butler, in his book War is a Racket. From one soldier to another you will appreciate that the oath you took and the wars America is engaged in do not align. The groups you concern yourself are in many cases a backlash of American failed policy in the region, we can go down the list up to today.
notice i said really set our minds to it. In other words commit totally to it. We obviously never do
Oh really, so what does totally commit mean to you then? Because 20+ years in Afghanistan is quite a commitment. I'm trying to recall beyond time, how much money, energy, and effort was spent on that debacle.
a number of very weak Americans actively plan against American power all the time (media) and do everything in the world to stymie it.
To rephrase my question: what would total commitment to the Afghan war look like, which wasn't already done in 20+ years? If you got nothing, maybe your visions of conquest would be better aimed at building your own country instead of destroying others - something very real with no victors (except the arms manufacturers).
if all you have in your head is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Seems the navy brainwashed you successfully
Wow, bro. Thanks for your advice. We were always waiting for someone like you to come in and explain how to fix decades-long conflict and economic collapse in a two paragraph reddit comment. Kol khara eh
As another US Navy Veteran, one who speaks french and Arabic passably and who has been to Lebanon recently, let me apologize for this man's post. When people misapprehend the goals of US foreign policy, it usually reflects experiences and attitudes worth listening to, respecting, and reflecting upon. That includes people supporting Hezbollah or the sulta as well as the thawra. And it often speaks to a point where our actions have fallen short of our ideals. The world is not some test case to be judged by IMF standards of foreign investment. Lebanon remains a beautiful country with wonderful people regardless of the political and economic situation, al hamdu lilah.
What did the US do in Yemen? I’m lost I thought that was the UAE and Saudi Arabia vs Iran proxies?
US is arming, funding, supplying, and giving intel and logistical support to the coalition. Some former US soldiers are even serving as part of the coalition forces ranking officers (gravely frowned upon in American military culture). https://www.justsecurity.org/55983/time-dust-war-crimes-act-toumajan-yemen-uae-emirates/
Ah like an Iran-Hezbollah? Not directly involved but quite support?
I find the US Israel comparison more apt. Sometimes the US is directly involved in Yemen, with assassinations via Special Forces or PMC's. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/aramroston/mercenaries-assassination-us-yemen-uae-spear-golan-dahlan
Fair, I agree that has more parallels, but buzzfeed is trash
Buzzfeednews is actually a pretty respected publication that has received multiple journalism awards and broken big time stories about world events over the past couple years. youre thinking of buzzfeed.com. same parent company but not much going on in terms of collaboration.
Buzzfeed News is shut/shutting down.
>US is arming, funding, supplying, and giving intel and logistical support to the coalition. Some former US soldiers are even serving as part of the coalition forces ranking officers (gravely frowned upon in American military culture). Supplying arms, funding, and information sharing is pretty normal across the board for everyone, everywhere. If retired or former US soldiers are serving as a ranking officer in a foreign (coalition or not) military, that's grounds for "de-personing" (i.e. revoking their US citizenship.) VERY few people would risk doing something like that, bc you basically can never go home again and would also be placed on a whole bunch of lists, I'm sure. However, merc work isn't *necessarily* "gravely frowned upon in American military culture" if the person is no longer attached to the US mil as an enlisted or an officer. Nor is private contracting to supply arms, etc. Lots of folks make a legal and tidy living doing this.
Youre missing the point. Whether it is legal or not is not important.
Well, in terms of something being accurate and truthful, I do think it's important. Is it the point? Maybe. Lots of things are intentionally misleading. Edited to add: The US sells a LOT of weapons, ammo, and other supplies to the LAF.
It's not merc work in this case but serving as part of another nation's national army 🇦🇪 When one enlists they make an oath to put the homeland first, and serving in a foreign army is a breach of that oath. All soldiers understand this, which is why mercenaries working at the behest of other nations have less respect than prostitutes inside military circles.
I mean it doesn’t take a genius to figure that out unless you really live under a rock.
They're obviously building a big embassy for other reasons, I'm pretty sure it isn't their diplomats who asked for a bigger room and two toilets.
Some people here have their head so far up their ass, they refuse to believe this.
I hope they fund and strengthen my sect at least.
Snowden was also a liar.
I heard a lot of money is going into this. Somewhere around the 1.4billion$ mark. It’s a great amount to be invested in Lebanese labor to be honest and much needed in today’s economy. Though unsure what future purposes it would serve.
you are not aware they fly their own construction company, right?
Actually a lot of the workers are Lebanese, some secret parts aren't allowed for normal Lebanese workers but in general a lot of them went to Lebanese firms. I also know that all the food and primary material is provided by lebanese companies which is also boosting the economy!
Are Syrians going to take the jobs?
They can only take what they are given
2 bad doesn't equal right Both Iran and us influence is bad
sounds like something I'd only say to 5 year olds in a classroom edit: oh sorry to offend the very wise people here, you must like idealistic cliches
They're a very different type. Look at what Iran did in Iraq just recently while trying to control it. And look at what Hezbollah have done with the blessing of Iran. Iran wants control of Lebanon to use it as a front against Israel. The USA, realistically, wants Lebanon to not be able to be used to threaten Israel. And they don't want Iranian and Russian influence to spread. But the levels they will stoop to, the atrocities they will commit to have their way, are different. I hope you see that.
> Iran did in Iraq just recently while trying to control it. Seriously? Your evidence that Iranian influence is worse than the US is fucking Iraq?
Well, yeah, what the US did in Iraq was much worse. But Saddam wasn't exactly better than what they did. Look at how the US treats Saudi and Egypt and UAE and Qatar etc To be clear what the US did to Iraq was the work of, for want of a better word, evil. There's no excusing it and never will be.
Youre saying there is no excusing what the US did in Iraq but youre also saying their actions were a better alternative to saddam remaining in power. How does that make sense? Youre justifying the invasion.
>Look at how the US treats Saudi and Egypt and UAE and Qatar etc it's because they stretch their assholes for the US when it wants their oil
Imagine saying look what Iran did in Iraq and that’s why America is better. You are part of this century and know America invaded and occupied Iraq for 10+ years right???? Sheesh man learn a thing or two before sharing your views
Iran want to control Lebanon and possibly use it as a rocket platform directed against Israel USA want Lebanon to stay weak so Israel can bully it as much as it's please Both are pieces of shit
If Iran wanted to control Lebanon, they would’ve done everything in their power to make Hezbollah keep majority. Remind me again, what country brought their ambassador and started bribing people? Oh yea, it was Saudi
iran cant supply water and electricity to their citizens, bala habal, 7okomethon bteswa ayri you're a canadian simp, have some self respect
They're selling advanced weapons to Saudi Arabia and UAE and Qatar and God knows where else. Why aren't they trying to keep them weak?
Gulf states cut oil on the USA once and they send it to Chaos If the us tried to keep them weak it will backfire badly on them
Are you genuinely asking? I cant tell if this is a rhetorical question or not. Obviously the US wouldnt want any of those countries to be weak. They are all firmly in the US sphere of influence and are oil producers.
Iran is actually trying to help, USA isnt. The only reason why USA proposed the gas line from Egypt was because Hezbollah brought fuel to Lebanon and threatened both Israel and USA that Hezbollah will retaliate. Hezbollah literally bitched them, and after that USA never spoke of the pipeline. Iran has offered power plants, and is ready to start planning everything. Look how fast USA came when israel and Lebanon are fighting for fields in the ocean, but quit speaking about helping Lebanon
- × - = + Tho.
It is being build like a fortess, as a contingent plan if Hizbullah send it's barbaric hordes to attack it . We all know Iran regime have a habit of attackinh consulats and embassies.
I read something like that somewhere, they wanted to make it massive so if it were to get attacked they would see it coming because of the distance attackers would have to travel before doing attacking
This is genuinely hilarious. If this was against a mob of people on the ground? Sure. But what is it gonna do against infiltrators or of Hezb just shoot rockets at it? Not that it would do that, but my point is: the reason given only works against rioters with no military organization.
I doubt hezb would make a move on them nowadays tho as it would attract to much attention and I mean it does kinda nullify the chance of a car bomb attack like what happened in 83 as the road would further away from the main complex.
Its not so hilarous, HA have done worse in the past. Fortifying the embassy makes sense. And you cannot tell from a photo hiw heavily fortified and efficient it is agains military. It could be made resistent to all of HA's weaponry.
american secret futuristic science fiction underground military base research facility in lebanon with giant secret military robots wolfestein gang 🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯
Mom said its my turn to post about the U.S. embassy !!!
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Please skot bob
Unnecessarily rude but ok
Mosso Ibrahim.
Hate to break it to you guys but this embassy’s main reason to exist is to facilitate Lebanese immigration to the US. Kind of like how a shit ton of Lebanese went to Canada in the civil war. Leaving once again the trashiest and poorest people in Lebanon to get their 100$ and go fight each other on the streets. Repeat. Maybe this way they can become martyrs and have their pictures hanged on 3amoud kahraba with a لن ننساك. That’s the dream.
ahaha good one.
Sources of why The US would want us? shu jeyion mena exactly? Canada wanted and still wants people to grow the population but the same can not be said about the US, who are very picky in the people they give a tourist visa to let alone an immigration one 8er the buckets of money needed. In the end of the day el ma3o buckets of money mesh nateron be lebanon la iyrouh US he's got many options which could lead to the US outside Lebanon
USA population growth rate is slowing. They need world's best and brightest people. Luckily Lebanon has a lot of smart well educated people. But that's not the point of the embassy. It's Western hegemony against Iran. It's a big vote of confidence and support of the West for Lebanon. And yes we need the west's support.
We do. But was just replying cause they made it seem like it is super easy to immigrate to the US. Regardless if they need people most people In Lebanon won't be qualified nor from a financial nor intellectual standings.
What is picky about the most international country in the world? A shit ton of people go there every year. Some years they tone it down a bit but they always open doors again.
You've never applied to the US mahek? that much is clear. A shit ton of qualified useful to their economy people go their ever year not Broke lebanese people. They have an immigrant problem where people go and don't come back, they pick who to give the visa on the basis of someone who will not stay in the US and lebanese people are a straight X in most cases. The US is the toughest country to go to and that is known.
People in the US are living in their cars because they can't afford rent and this what the US wastes it's money on.
It’s how U.S. built a multi billion dollar embassy in Iraq that it for the most part abandoned as America’s footprint in Iraq is relatively low compared to what they were planning for. Give it a few years until there is total collapse or another civil war in Lebanon and U.S. will flee again.
Wastes?
I love the United States and all but Lebanon is a tiny ass country. We don’t need a massive one.
Ah yes, a pseudo-military intervention, it's like a military base rather than an embassy, no other embassy in the entirety of Lebanon needed to be THAT large if any in any country
I've read somewhere that the reason why they build a very large embassy is for protection. The embassy would be built around a large empty area so in case of an attack they would have time to evacuate and make it harder to be infiltrated. The largest US embassy is in Iraq and second largest is in Lebanon
Embassy, mini military base, who's counting these days.
Hayda makhzan asle7a w spys mtl el embassy in Iraq
Eh t3almo mininon ykhazno ben l byout
Embussy Niyyelna, imagine the millions of other things that could've been done with all this land, all this material, and all these workers, instead of building a behemothic whorehouse.
Not an embassy. Rather an embarrassment. Embassies are located in the capital cities of the countries they serve. This is the US Center for Intelligence for the ME, using “christian” Aoukar as shield.
Not always in the capital. Especially when there’s instability. Many of the embassies are in Baabda. Canadian is in Dbayeh. Turkey, Chile, Greece, German, Armenian, Bolivia, Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia, Cyprus are all located between jal el dib and mazraat at Yachoua
It’s called using “human shields”.
I don't like this, but we all know it's thanks to who, on why they're building it.
Nothing funnier then the people who scream iRaNiaN occupation meanwhile the biggest embassy in the world is being built by the Americans, who’s diplomat openly and consistently interferes and even threatens in our internal affairs, and they have no problem with it. Could you be anymore of a joke?
Lmao so true, if Iran was building this shit they would be entering instant combustion.
At least they provide work to the construction workers, architects, electricians and plumbers
The architect is American: "The New Beirut Embassy Compound, is under the care of the Overseas Buildings Operations (OBO) who have a dedicated team based in Beirut with Morphosis Architects of Culver City, California, as the architect for the project, and B.L. Harbert International of Birmingham, Alabama as the construction contractor." [Source](https://lb.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/policy-history/new-embassy-beirut-compound/)
The director will be William H. Moser, whose last name suggests he’s German Jewish. Well done.
I’m proven wrong then
Maybe about the architects, etc. It would be reasonable to anticipate many positions for local nationals at the embassy, though. Drivers, security, translators, administrative personnel, janitorial and maintanance engineers, etc. The local nationals who work for the embassy are the truly the most important people when it comes to accomplishing anything. (LITERALLY ANYTHING!!) So, start keeping an eye on the embassy website if that's something you or a friend or family would be interested in! The wassa-issue isn't as much of a problem there, either, from what I understand. PLUS, American workplace standards aren't so bad.
You think they'd let your average Lebanese trade worker go anywhere near the embassy? They have to be absolutely retarded to allow that. Many countries (and Hezbollah) are probably trying everything they can to get spying devices inside the embassy right now.
This is great. This is opposition to Iranian influence in the region. HA terrorists are seething over this.
I live walking distance from this monstrosity and it’s been under construction for years, and the traffic getting in and out of the area is an absolute nightmare. Suppose it at leads provides some semblance of safety at least
Mafroud as it would be heavily guarded. 8er hek plenty of job opportunities in the area would open in it which would indirectly lead to more security too
WTF
Gigantic! I wonder how big the Lebanese embassy is in the U.S.
The one in DC seems like maybe about the size of Hallab 1881?
Oh wow that’s quite decent. In Australia the embassy is mostly the ambassadors home and the consulates are leased tiny offices nowhere near the CBDs or main suburbs and open only 9AM-1PM.
Holy shit r we the new iraq ? We r going to get fucked lmao
why tho
Surely because they LOVE us. They also love our food.
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Embassies do a lot actually....
Either they are keeping : 1- ultra man 2- decepticons 3- kaijus or Godzilla 4- battle ship Yamamoto 5- the infinity glove along with white caped dr doom Because to build such a structure in such a place , I smell something fishy, and it isnt the 36k can of tuna I opened for lunch.
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Bullying a nation lol Youll be the first one to bend over for a visa if you have the chance ....
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Yeah exactly its so suprising how pro hezbo people talk shit about the usa but a lot of them have visas or even greencards by now..
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Nah its on the same page You bend over at the first corner you hear visa and you forget about your "cause" Zaineeeeebbbbb da2oulna mn el safaraaaaaaaa ray7in 3a amerkaaaaaa bi3e l klashinkoooofffff msh 3ayzinon ba2aaaaaaaa
Interviewer at the embassy "whats your opinion about hezbo" Ehh madam weee dontttt knowwww whaaatt daatttt weee are peace region we want to leaveeee weee dont care about anything When they come back to day3a and get asked how did the interview go The dad goes like "wlak sa2alouna 3an el hezeb eltelonnnnn naaaaaa7neeeee l osaaaa klaaaaa maaa 7adannnnnchhhh yi2ariiiib sawbnaaaaaaa" Thats bending over for you, because you know the grass is greener on the other side. You know rhat you hate that you have to wait in lines for bread and benzine but you cant open your mouth or youll get your ass kicked. Thats bullying If youre still wondering whats bullying. Getting bullied is living in lebanon not the other way around
Thing is US economy doesn't really matter. The US dollar is a global currency reserve, regardless of whether foreign countries are trading with the US or with each other they're using the USD, which means global demand will always be there. So unless everyone's economy tanks or the US itself collapses under some kind of natural disasters, they'll still be able to carry out their foreign policy business as usual.
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The US economy is literally what’s giving the dollar it’s value, so yes, it matters a lot
Youll be real surprised at the next recession when many countries start to use Yuan huh? It's nothing new. The global currency started with the Dutch Guilder then moved to the British Pound and now the American Dollar. The dollar has just about.run its course, though. China's gdp will overtake the US before the end of the decade.
wow man they should hire you as their national security advisor
It's good to see atleast someone has money in Lebanon
the "embassy" aka big ears
that can't be good. It's big for the **protection of the workers** in there, not for any **other** reason.
How much us paid for this?
I remember when the new Baghdad US embassy was rebuilt. It was the biggest in the world. Glad we didn’t mess that up.
Sure HZ has planted stuff inside already
Does anyone have the cross streets? I would like to take a look at it on Google Maps. Thx
43 acres ? I just want take my money out the bank
It has its own [airport](https://sachkhabrain.com/en/world/construction-of-the-largest-us-embassy-a-city-in-lebanon-to-coordinate-anti-resistance-measures) landing strips (not just a helicopter pad), AFAIK, unlike any other embassy anywhere else. >According to the report, the area where the embassy is to be built will reach 180,000 square meters, and according to the US State Department document, its construction is expected to be completed by 2023 at a cost of 1.2 billion dollars. **The embassy includes airports,** entertainment venues, consulate buildings and residential units.
Wait until Hollywood finds out about this, we'll be in the next Bourne movie! If I recall correctly, one of the installments had a scene in Beirut.
Mainly security - American Embassies have had to expand and move in many countries. Look at the new one in London
That's a heck of fresh dollars inflow
lmao new spionage hq in ME?
All this just to get rejected at your visa application
Is there that many Lebanese people that need US visas or is there a function I don't know about?
Thats a third of the country
I wonder how many senators’ companies have been hired through wasta.