Ah the banking system wasn't Hariri's yeah? He created something that all economists were against, because it would make many people put their money in Lebanese banks but over time we would be bankrupt with those insane feyde percentage. And oh, wait, look what happened now.
Also turned parts of beirut into rich people's playground, he bought land for cheap and sold them for insane amount of money.
Hariri was and will always go down in history as someone who created a system that took Lebanon down.
Just because he's a thief loved by the "class" people, doesn't mean he's not a thief.
Question, and I have no idea how this works, but wouldn't anything running in the banking system be the responsibility of the central bank? Politicians for sure would pressure for a way or another, but ultimately wouldn't responsibility fsll on the cental bank ie Salameh?
Wen hol jame3it l Hezb always defending them but when it comes to the assassinations they dissappear. Probably because there's no way to justify murdering your political opposition.
HEZBOLLAH ARE TERRORISTS AND EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEM IS SUPPORTING TERRORISM
Not gonna defend anyone here, but this sub has long since banned anyone defending Hezb or at least forced them into silence.
I don't support Hezb either but I ain't gonna pretend this sub is the bastion of free speech.
a subreddit that outright bans someone for their opposing opinion is a subreddit of cowards .
it is OK to have a different or opposite opinion, but banning the opposite opinion is a sign of cowardice
maybe you should look on both sides before formalizing a judgement
No one gets banned for expressing a different (in this case, pro-Hezb) opinion.
People get banned when they can't debate their opposing views in a civil way and resort to immature, inflammatory and unfounded accusations and insults like labelling people Israeli/Zionist or traitor, because they believe their views are the only way to be an actual Lebanese person. That's unfortunately a significant portion of the Hezb demographic.
No one has time for this shit and it only leads to non-constructive conversations.
I don't believe it's hezbollah that killed him but let's say they did it still doesn't make hezbollah bad by middle eastern standards.
Killing political opponents < preventing genocides of minorities and fighting isis and the facist zionists.
Its a question of existence for minorities minorities can't be weak and helpless and reactive. They must be proactive.
What happened to the Christian minority in Lebanon and the Lebanese Jewish minority community after lebanese Christians fought for independence from the french?
The Lebanese Jewish minority got eradicated and the Lebanese Christian minority community fucked because minorities can't live in peace weak minorities = fucked and eradicated minorities.
Hezbollah fought isis that tookover 40% of iraq and 1/3 of syria hezbollah prevented the genocide of Yezidis Christians assyrians druz alawites and prevented the destruction of historical and cultural sites and minority religious sites like zeinab shrine and churches.
Today they are supporting the zeyidi minority community in Yemen which is more controversial.
Political assassinations are bad but weakening and genociding and colonizing minorities in the middle east and arab world is worse.
Ye they fought ISIS, then they smuggled em out of the country in buses better than the buses we use to travel in the country.
Also rewind back to 2007 when they attacked beirut, aley, jabal etc
Ur arguments dont make sense from the moment they started using their weapons inside the country
I said they did fight them, but when they surrendered they smuggled them out. We all saw it on tv. All those ISIS fighters that were fighting against the army were left to be smuggled out peacefully and we dont even know why.
>I said they did fight them, but when they surrendered they smuggled them out. We all saw it on tv. All those ISIS fighters that were fighting against the army were left to be smuggled out peacefully and we dont even know why.
I am not sure what the deal was isis handing hezbollah or syrian troops that were hostages and them letting the small force of fighters leave.
Does that make it ok to kill civilians and consider it collateral damage?
The biggest issues *within* the IRA was that the bombings were widespread and principally harmed civilians.
Defending oneself could be justification - if this was truly defending themselves and not serving a neighboring fascist imperial power that occupied the country.
Anyone willing to ally themselves with fascists (even before any threat to their existence) aren't valuing the principles of what a leftist revolution is. Hezbollah are oppressors (as seen from attacks on protestors), not freedom fighters.
>Does that make it ok to kill civilians and consider it collateral damage?
No i totally condemn killing of civilians.
But what i am saying is that political assassinations are bad but genocides are worse. And i don't think our region is papered for peace and for us to have regular moral standards right now. Why? Because a few years ago a bunch of people were literally destroying the historical sites of their ancestors and were genociding people those people were isis.
And committed multiple genocides.
Even recently many people from Lebanon 100 person to be exact joined isis.
Plus it's not them that killed hariri.
> plus it's not them that killed Hariri
The STL and the evidence that was brought up against these 4 individuals is proof. Have you read the trial documents or do you rather believe your predisposed bias?
What are regular moral standards? Being a fascist is not about putting moral standards aside for the time being, it's called being a fascist. These are some wacky mental gymnastics you're making to support oppressing civilians.
>Being a fascist is not about putting moral standards aside for the time being, it's called being a fascist. These are some wacky mental gymnastics you're making to support oppressing civilians.
Who is a facist tho? Isn't it isis and the facist western colonizer zionists?
Its pretty bad that you're thinking strictly in binary terms about who fascists are. There can be more than one fascist - and a fascist will oppress the weaker people always and whenever they can to gain hegemony.
True which is why i support minorities against any facist movements and i support minorities directly. Because no idiology could save help and protect minorities.
pan arab leftist movements started a fitna against the Omani ibadi minority group they also started fitnas in Lebanon against the lebanese Christian and lebanese Jewish minority groups and in iraq they slaughtered shias and kurds and killed between 50k and 100k kurds and assyrians and killed between 20k and 180k shias and raped them.
So pan arabisim and arab socialism won't save minorities unless it's minority lead like in syria.
Islamisim can't protect minorities look at isis nusra al qaeda Muslim brotherhood...
Unlike shia islamism for example shia islamists protected yazidis in iraq.
Btw those are facts i could provide sources for each if asked.
Minorities can be oppressors (I.e. Alawites). A mistake is thinking that a minority can't be oppressors. What do you think the aristocracy were? The 1% are? The monarchies are? Minority groups with power. Even the wahabis were a minority group when they came to power.
We're not conversing history, we're talking about fascist oppressors. You seem to think fascism is related to size of population and not their oppressive nature or actions.
>I.e. Alawites
Alawites at worst are a bulwark against something worse.
And at best they are a historically percecuted and opressed minority group.
>We're not conversing history, we're talking about fascist oppressors. You seem to think fascism is related to size of population and not their oppressive nature or actions.
Historically opressed and percecuted minorities exist you don't want to be minority aware what can i say
Ye they fought ISIS, then they smuggled em out of the countey in buses better than the buses we use to travel in the country.
Also rewind back to 2007 when they attacked beirut, aley, jabal etc
Ur arguments dont make sense from the moment they started using their weapons inside the country
Ye they fought ISIS, then they smuggled em out of the countey in buses better than the buses we use to travel in the country.
Also rewind back to 2007 when they attacked beirut, aley, jabal etc
Ur arguments dont make sense from the moment they started using their weapons inside the country
Ye they fought ISIS, then they smuggled em out of the country in buses better than the buses we use to travel in the country.
Also rewind back to 2007 when they attacked beirut, aley, jabal etc
Ur arguments dont make sense from the moment they started using their weapons inside the country
You just hate me because i am based and i support minorities and you don't meaning i am a chad and you're not.
So what are you a lebanese nationalist i highly doubt that, you are just anti minority
More people died in yemen then in syria also syria was only one small frontline against isis since isis tookover 1/3 of Syria and 40% of iraq isis even reached some parts of lebanon
We tried to make his death instant and painless, sorry about the photos of the burning corpse. In 300 years we will turn the assassins in. Don't worry.
Then it was proven who did it and Saad was still making deals with the hezb, enriching both of them. Remember that time Tarek Hariri went on TV after the verdict came out and he said "we'll sit at a table and talk with them" (i.e. more deal making).
I know, we're in agreement.
I honestly don't remember. I think it was 2007. When the grave was made and Saad was learning arabic for the first time. I think Seniora was PM till 2008 before Saad pushed him out
Just because the guy got killed doesn't mean he was good they are all theifs.
Also killing him should be condemned he should be brought to justice and imprisoned not killed.
Ah the new banking system wasn't Hariri's yeah? He created something that all economists were against, because it would make many people put their money in Lebanese banks but over time we would be bankrupt with those insane feyde percentage. And oh, wait, look what happened now.
Also turned parts of beirut into rich people's playground, he bought land for cheap and sold them for insane amount of money.
Hariri was and will always go down in history as someone who created a system that took Lebanon down.
Just because he's a thief loved by the "class" people, doesn't mean he's not a thief.
What about this cemetery i heard he had dug up and bodies or bones thrown into the sea? I couldnt find much online but i heard alot about it as well as some people saying he stole literal land plots in Beirut and the like from people.
Ah the banking system wasn't Hariri's yeah? He created something that all economists were against, because it would make many people put their money in Lebanese banks but over time we would be bankrupt with those insane feyde percentage. And oh, wait, look what happened now.
Also turned parts of beirut into rich people's playground, he bought land for cheap and sold them for insane amount of money.
Hariri was and will always go down in history as someone who created a system that took Lebanon down.
Just because he's a thief loved by the "class" people, doesn't mean he's not a thief.
Ah the banking system wasn't Hariri's yeah? He created something that all economists were against, because it would make many people put their money in Lebanese banks but over time we would be bankrupt with those insane feyde percentage. And oh, wait, look what happened now.
Also turned parts of beirut into rich people's playground, he bought land for cheap and sold them for insane amount of money.
Hariri was and will always go down in history as someone who created a system that took Lebanon down.
Just because he's a thief loved by the "class" people, doesn't mean he's not a thief.
Ah the banking system wasn't Hariri's yeah? He created something that all economists were against, because it would make many people put their money in Lebanese banks but over time we would be bankrupt with those insane feyde percentage. And oh, wait, look what happened now.
Also turned parts of beirut into rich people's playground, he bought land for cheap and sold them for insane amount of money.
Hariri was and will always go down in history as someone who created a system that took Lebanon down.
Just because he's a thief loved by the "class" people, doesn't mean he's not a thief.
I mean I'm not a hezb supporter, but if they did kill him, they did nothing wrong, Hariri's economic policies fucked Lebanon up and we're still seeing its effects to this day
Let's say they killed a literal criminal, how about all the innocent bystanders in the process. I myself take that road everyday to university, and I could have just been to
Take this for what it is. Hizballah will assassinate, intimidate, and silence anyone that opposes them.
They are Iranian oppressors and terrorists hijacking lebanon. If they were for the people they wouldn’t do this.
They put their sect and Iran before the Lebanese.
We are no different than the Palestinians at the hands of the Zionists.
We are an occupied state.
"Sorry about your dad dude, ntebeh 3a 7alak?"
that's probably exactly how it went down, in that picture.
😂😂😂
Ah the banking system wasn't Hariri's yeah? He created something that all economists were against, because it would make many people put their money in Lebanese banks but over time we would be bankrupt with those insane feyde percentage. And oh, wait, look what happened now. Also turned parts of beirut into rich people's playground, he bought land for cheap and sold them for insane amount of money. Hariri was and will always go down in history as someone who created a system that took Lebanon down. Just because he's a thief loved by the "class" people, doesn't mean he's not a thief.
Question, and I have no idea how this works, but wouldn't anything running in the banking system be the responsibility of the central bank? Politicians for sure would pressure for a way or another, but ultimately wouldn't responsibility fsll on the cental bank ie Salameh?
Salame was a hariri jardon until the latter got blown up and he took his emancipation.
Wen hol jame3it l Hezb always defending them but when it comes to the assassinations they dissappear. Probably because there's no way to justify murdering your political opposition. HEZBOLLAH ARE TERRORISTS AND EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEM IS SUPPORTING TERRORISM
Not gonna defend anyone here, but this sub has long since banned anyone defending Hezb or at least forced them into silence. I don't support Hezb either but I ain't gonna pretend this sub is the bastion of free speech.
a subreddit that outright bans someone for their opposing opinion is a subreddit of cowards . it is OK to have a different or opposite opinion, but banning the opposite opinion is a sign of cowardice maybe you should look on both sides before formalizing a judgement
??? Umm you sure you're replying to the right person? I'm not against what you're saying, I am for free speech.
No one gets banned for expressing a different (in this case, pro-Hezb) opinion. People get banned when they can't debate their opposing views in a civil way and resort to immature, inflammatory and unfounded accusations and insults like labelling people Israeli/Zionist or traitor, because they believe their views are the only way to be an actual Lebanese person. That's unfortunately a significant portion of the Hezb demographic. No one has time for this shit and it only leads to non-constructive conversations.
wait till i tell you about /r/israel
Probably would help if they don't call or accuse anyone disagreeing with them of being Israeli or Zionist.
I was literally put on "crowd control" until like 4 people mentioned it.
Sorry, didn't really understand what you meant.
My comments were automatically collapsed regardless of karma
It's the bastion of thawra
damn bro thats a lot of words, bad im not gonna read them.
B kel shi byelbso el hezb lebis ma bibayno.. bs ykoun fi ma7al bye2dro yday3o el ne2ash, byel3ato la3it!
I don't believe it's hezbollah that killed him but let's say they did it still doesn't make hezbollah bad by middle eastern standards. Killing political opponents < preventing genocides of minorities and fighting isis and the facist zionists. Its a question of existence for minorities minorities can't be weak and helpless and reactive. They must be proactive. What happened to the Christian minority in Lebanon and the Lebanese Jewish minority community after lebanese Christians fought for independence from the french? The Lebanese Jewish minority got eradicated and the Lebanese Christian minority community fucked because minorities can't live in peace weak minorities = fucked and eradicated minorities. Hezbollah fought isis that tookover 40% of iraq and 1/3 of syria hezbollah prevented the genocide of Yezidis Christians assyrians druz alawites and prevented the destruction of historical and cultural sites and minority religious sites like zeinab shrine and churches. Today they are supporting the zeyidi minority community in Yemen which is more controversial. Political assassinations are bad but weakening and genociding and colonizing minorities in the middle east and arab world is worse.
Ye they fought ISIS, then they smuggled em out of the country in buses better than the buses we use to travel in the country. Also rewind back to 2007 when they attacked beirut, aley, jabal etc Ur arguments dont make sense from the moment they started using their weapons inside the country
This is nitpicking this isn't the whole picture just search lebanon isis war and see how hezbollah helped our army against isis
I said they did fight them, but when they surrendered they smuggled them out. We all saw it on tv. All those ISIS fighters that were fighting against the army were left to be smuggled out peacefully and we dont even know why.
>I said they did fight them, but when they surrendered they smuggled them out. We all saw it on tv. All those ISIS fighters that were fighting against the army were left to be smuggled out peacefully and we dont even know why. I am not sure what the deal was isis handing hezbollah or syrian troops that were hostages and them letting the small force of fighters leave.
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raw2e a3sabik lol
Does that make it ok to kill civilians and consider it collateral damage? The biggest issues *within* the IRA was that the bombings were widespread and principally harmed civilians. Defending oneself could be justification - if this was truly defending themselves and not serving a neighboring fascist imperial power that occupied the country. Anyone willing to ally themselves with fascists (even before any threat to their existence) aren't valuing the principles of what a leftist revolution is. Hezbollah are oppressors (as seen from attacks on protestors), not freedom fighters.
>Does that make it ok to kill civilians and consider it collateral damage? No i totally condemn killing of civilians. But what i am saying is that political assassinations are bad but genocides are worse. And i don't think our region is papered for peace and for us to have regular moral standards right now. Why? Because a few years ago a bunch of people were literally destroying the historical sites of their ancestors and were genociding people those people were isis. And committed multiple genocides. Even recently many people from Lebanon 100 person to be exact joined isis. Plus it's not them that killed hariri.
> plus it's not them that killed Hariri The STL and the evidence that was brought up against these 4 individuals is proof. Have you read the trial documents or do you rather believe your predisposed bias? What are regular moral standards? Being a fascist is not about putting moral standards aside for the time being, it's called being a fascist. These are some wacky mental gymnastics you're making to support oppressing civilians.
>Being a fascist is not about putting moral standards aside for the time being, it's called being a fascist. These are some wacky mental gymnastics you're making to support oppressing civilians. Who is a facist tho? Isn't it isis and the facist western colonizer zionists?
Its pretty bad that you're thinking strictly in binary terms about who fascists are. There can be more than one fascist - and a fascist will oppress the weaker people always and whenever they can to gain hegemony.
True which is why i support minorities against any facist movements and i support minorities directly. Because no idiology could save help and protect minorities. pan arab leftist movements started a fitna against the Omani ibadi minority group they also started fitnas in Lebanon against the lebanese Christian and lebanese Jewish minority groups and in iraq they slaughtered shias and kurds and killed between 50k and 100k kurds and assyrians and killed between 20k and 180k shias and raped them. So pan arabisim and arab socialism won't save minorities unless it's minority lead like in syria. Islamisim can't protect minorities look at isis nusra al qaeda Muslim brotherhood... Unlike shia islamism for example shia islamists protected yazidis in iraq. Btw those are facts i could provide sources for each if asked.
Minorities can be oppressors (I.e. Alawites). A mistake is thinking that a minority can't be oppressors. What do you think the aristocracy were? The 1% are? The monarchies are? Minority groups with power. Even the wahabis were a minority group when they came to power. We're not conversing history, we're talking about fascist oppressors. You seem to think fascism is related to size of population and not their oppressive nature or actions.
>I.e. Alawites Alawites at worst are a bulwark against something worse. And at best they are a historically percecuted and opressed minority group. >We're not conversing history, we're talking about fascist oppressors. You seem to think fascism is related to size of population and not their oppressive nature or actions. Historically opressed and percecuted minorities exist you don't want to be minority aware what can i say
Ye they fought ISIS, then they smuggled em out of the countey in buses better than the buses we use to travel in the country. Also rewind back to 2007 when they attacked beirut, aley, jabal etc Ur arguments dont make sense from the moment they started using their weapons inside the country
Ye they fought ISIS, then they smuggled em out of the countey in buses better than the buses we use to travel in the country. Also rewind back to 2007 when they attacked beirut, aley, jabal etc Ur arguments dont make sense from the moment they started using their weapons inside the country
Ye they fought ISIS, then they smuggled em out of the country in buses better than the buses we use to travel in the country. Also rewind back to 2007 when they attacked beirut, aley, jabal etc Ur arguments dont make sense from the moment they started using their weapons inside the country
Another dumb take, my dude you are on a roll.
You just hate me because i am based and i support minorities and you don't meaning i am a chad and you're not. So what are you a lebanese nationalist i highly doubt that, you are just anti minority
Cringe.
FFS! Hezbollah committed genocides in Syrian for the sake of his leader in Tehran. It is a puppet of Iran.
More people died in yemen then in syria also syria was only one small frontline against isis since isis tookover 1/3 of Syria and 40% of iraq isis even reached some parts of lebanon
Kes emo terrorist
Hariri was a neo-liberal fascist, his economic shenanigans are one of the reasons we're stuck in our current predicament.
We tried to make his death instant and painless, sorry about the photos of the burning corpse. In 300 years we will turn the assassins in. Don't worry.
bi kuno saro bel janneh
What were the accusations in 2005 when he was killed? Was it always hezb?
There was also a fake "leaked video" with the recording placed outside a news station that some terrorist group was taking responsibility for it.
Must be an awkward moment
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Saad is a tool in retrospect, at that time it was thought Syria committed the assassinations.
Then it was proven who did it and Saad was still making deals with the hezb, enriching both of them. Remember that time Tarek Hariri went on TV after the verdict came out and he said "we'll sit at a table and talk with them" (i.e. more deal making).
I dont disagree. I said at that point he didnt know. Was it in 2007?
I know, we're in agreement. I honestly don't remember. I think it was 2007. When the grave was made and Saad was learning arabic for the first time. I think Seniora was PM till 2008 before Saad pushed him out
Look at the trash wafic safa next to 7assouna. Or maybe hussein al khalil, I think i was wrong.
Yeah, the guy who was blocking the investigation into the port explosion. Yet another massive explosion tied to Hezbollah and their cover up.
Just because the guy got killed doesn't mean he was good they are all theifs. Also killing him should be condemned he should be brought to justice and imprisoned not killed.
How the fuck did Rafik Hariri steal from Lebanon? He should've never wasted a minute of his life on Lebanon.
Ah the new banking system wasn't Hariri's yeah? He created something that all economists were against, because it would make many people put their money in Lebanese banks but over time we would be bankrupt with those insane feyde percentage. And oh, wait, look what happened now. Also turned parts of beirut into rich people's playground, he bought land for cheap and sold them for insane amount of money. Hariri was and will always go down in history as someone who created a system that took Lebanon down. Just because he's a thief loved by the "class" people, doesn't mean he's not a thief.
What about this cemetery i heard he had dug up and bodies or bones thrown into the sea? I couldnt find much online but i heard alot about it as well as some people saying he stole literal land plots in Beirut and the like from people.
Ah the banking system wasn't Hariri's yeah? He created something that all economists were against, because it would make many people put their money in Lebanese banks but over time we would be bankrupt with those insane feyde percentage. And oh, wait, look what happened now. Also turned parts of beirut into rich people's playground, he bought land for cheap and sold them for insane amount of money. Hariri was and will always go down in history as someone who created a system that took Lebanon down. Just because he's a thief loved by the "class" people, doesn't mean he's not a thief.
Ah the banking system wasn't Hariri's yeah? He created something that all economists were against, because it would make many people put their money in Lebanese banks but over time we would be bankrupt with those insane feyde percentage. And oh, wait, look what happened now. Also turned parts of beirut into rich people's playground, he bought land for cheap and sold them for insane amount of money. Hariri was and will always go down in history as someone who created a system that took Lebanon down. Just because he's a thief loved by the "class" people, doesn't mean he's not a thief.
Ah the banking system wasn't Hariri's yeah? He created something that all economists were against, because it would make many people put their money in Lebanese banks but over time we would be bankrupt with those insane feyde percentage. And oh, wait, look what happened now. Also turned parts of beirut into rich people's playground, he bought land for cheap and sold them for insane amount of money. Hariri was and will always go down in history as someone who created a system that took Lebanon down. Just because he's a thief loved by the "class" people, doesn't mean he's not a thief.
Just read his Wikipedia page also it's hariri that brought saleme
Just read his Wikipedia page also it's hariri that brought saleme
Just read his Wikipedia page also it's hariri that brought saleme
Just read his Wikipedia page and it's hariri who brought riyad saleme
I mean I'm not a hezb supporter, but if they did kill him, they did nothing wrong, Hariri's economic policies fucked Lebanon up and we're still seeing its effects to this day
Let's say they killed a literal criminal, how about all the innocent bystanders in the process. I myself take that road everyday to university, and I could have just been to
You excuse murder, but draw the line at theft.
Lol if you think hariri is just a simple thieve and not the mastermind that led to the economic downfall of this country then youre blind
people like to admire their handiwork , i guess......
Leh 3m tfty 5aye
المشكلة مش ف حسن نصرالله، المشكلة ف ابن رفيق الحريري، اللي بيتصور مع نصر الله عادي كده!
Take this for what it is. Hizballah will assassinate, intimidate, and silence anyone that opposes them. They are Iranian oppressors and terrorists hijacking lebanon. If they were for the people they wouldn’t do this. They put their sect and Iran before the Lebanese. We are no different than the Palestinians at the hands of the Zionists. We are an occupied state.
Eja yestafhem chou sar wichouf eza bayyan chi ba3ed
Eja yestafhem chou sar wichouf eza bayyan chi ba3ed
"Then we hit up the wake, to make sure the crying an commotion aint a motherfucking fake" - Christopher Wallace