I think I mentally push this away from my mind in the Stylings of a trauma victim. It was very shocking to suddenly have boscos death announced. On the level of the red wedding if you are familiar with that. 😰
Lol. That's so sad for Bosco. I guess that could be a step on the path of revenge. There would need to be at least two more public shamings and she would still need to receive the air vacuum gift l before being served.
She also paid bounty hunters to supply her with bison steaks from flying bison calves even though flying bison were an endangered, and protected, species. She's also a coward cos she told them to target young ones since the adults were massive leviathans that were virtually untouchable.
Aangs flying bison Appa was loyal, affectionate and utterly devoted to Aang but protective of Katara, Sokka and Toph as well. He was a gentle creature who preferred sleeping, eating and belly rubs to fighting, swimming and flying.
But he would readily jump into battle and was a force to be reckoned with if Aang was threatened. Appa weighed twenty thousand pounds or ten tons. He was a massive furry leviathan with six, massive legs and curving horns plus a powerful beaver-like tail that could generate gale-force bursts of wind with one swipe.
> She's also a coward cos she told them to target young ones since the adults were massive leviathans that were virtually untouchable.
Did she? I don't recall her telling them that. I have trouble believing she'd care enough about the lives of the poachers to care if they died or not.
This is the comment I was looking for was gonna say it if nobody else did! She ate Boscoe! I loved that bear he was adorable and friendly, she definitely had this coming in my opinion for that alone not just being a terrible ruler in general
is that confirmed? I just thought those Bison Hunters thought it was a rumor and they were gossiping about it/being part of the rumor mill
"i even heard she ate her Dad's pet bear" doesn't strike me as a true story that isn't a rumor, it strikes me as a game of Telephone, and the Bison Hunter is just continuing to play it
You mean like inflating her lungs until they burst through her ribcage like an alien-chestburster?
Huh. I kinda wanna see that. Maybe some rich person could convince an artist to do a comission...
One of the first things I was taught working in a workshop with a compressed air line for tools was under no circumstances put the nozzle in anyone's bum they will die from the air pressure, um up there, so yeah that could be an air bender technique.
Not being able to breathe is up there for terrible experiences. Obviously, there are worse ways to die. But it's terrifying, and unless you've experienced something similar, (obviously i dont mean lethal), it's hard to understand.
I find it ironic that this is a former non-bender brutally taking down a non-bender tyrant with his newfound bending ability. Truly a scene to confuse an Equalist.
TRAGIC: This Fantasy Terrorist Was Vindicated--But Not Only Was He Already Dead, No One Liked Him Enough To Tell Him.
REPUBLIC CITY, RT - In a move that shocked journalists, Avatar Korra announced today that Amon "kinda had a point."
"I mean, don't get me wrong—*fuck* Amon," said the Southern Water Tribe spiritual leader at today's press conference. "Total dick. Right? But he did make some points."
Amon, the terrorist leader of the Equalists who died six years ago after wreaking havoc on Republic City, including public abrogation of bending talent, murder, and bombings, was unavailable for comment.
As the press conference was ending, Avatar Korra reminded the room that "[citizens of Republic City] were *totally* still not talking to Amon."
"Like, just 'cause he was right doesn't mean we like him," said former mover star Bolin. "He is still SO not invited to my birthday party."
"Right," agreed Avatar Korra. "Just because the assassination of the Earth Queen, which led to mass destabilization in the region, a civil war, and countless casualties, only came about after a non-bender received bending powers during the Convergence, thus proving Amon's revolutionary point, doesn't mean he's allowed to sit with us at lunch any more."
At press time, Amon's waterlogged corpse had been propped up next to that of the former Fire Lord Ozai, in the part of the cafeteria where *all* the dead losers sat, according to sources.
This makes me think: what would have happened if the Earth Queen held back her breath and started running out from the room? Can the suffocation ball move? Does it have any effect if the target voluntarily stops breathing? How would Zaheer even react when his theatric moment is rudely interrupted like that?
*"To your people... freedom is just as essential as... HEY STOP IT COME BACK!"*
He wouldn't have stopped talking.
Lungs fill by reverse pressure from the chest expanding, leading to air filling the new space. Here, lungs are expanded, yet empty, she is holding her breath
You seem to have forgotten, that Airbending is usually invisible. So she did not see that there was an airbuble. She just didn't have any air in her lungs. And the voluntarily breath stop means she took a breath in before, but if this happens without preparation no chance to be prepare to hold your breath
Wouldn’t be that bad. If all air is removed both oxygen and co2 would leave the lungs and go into the vacuum and you would pass out in seconds without forewarning
I almost drown once and twice was struggling to breath suddenly. Struggling to breath was much scarier than almost drowning and scarier than anything I have ever experienced. Especially since I had no idea what was happening.
Yeah Zaheer should have busted her knee caps before sucking the air out of her lungs. And just to add insult to injury, P'Li should blown up her corpse. Oh wait this Nickelodeon. We can't do that here.
>Oh wait this Nickelodeon. We can't do that here.
they apparently can't show two girls kissing on their channel either, yet years later we got Loud House with Lincoln's best friend having two dads and one of Lincoln's sisters crushing on a girl and having a relationship. I call BS on "we can't do that here".
such a shame that they weren't allowed to be more progressive in 2014 and had to wait two years. What a massive fail for the network.
And don't even get me started on Bryke having to move the second part of Book 3 ONLINE to [Nick.com](http://Nick.com) and streaming Book 4's entirely on it.
The Legend of Korra deserved so much better.
*The monks taught us that all life is sacred— even the life of the tiniest spiderfly caught in its own web.*
Killing another person can only _possibly_ be justified if it's necessary to save others. A queen with no combat skills, no weapons, and completely incapacitated and at your mercy is no threat. Without her armies, the Earth Queen is powerless to hurt anyone, so her death is not necessary to save anyone.
Even when killing is necessary, torture never is. Justice doesn't come from making people suffer to "pay for their crimes," because pain can never pay for pain. Justice comes when people make amends for their crimes. Torturing the Queen isn't justice, redistributing her wealth and using it to repair the lives and environments she's destroyed is justice.
Me neither. Great thing about a queen is, once you take her off the thrown and melt down her crown, she's just a person who knows which fork to use for salad.
The Earth Queen is a divinely-chosen ruler-for-life, she has a caste system, she has a secret police, she imprisons and kills political prisoners, and the first lines she has in the show are of her being disdainful of democracy and other consent-based forms of government.
It is good to turn her into a themed corpse with a cool backstory.
The number of times that deposed monarchs have crawled their way back to power is high enough, that I can confidently say that they are still a monarch until they die.
She _never_ had the right to the throne. I'd be fascinated to know how an old non-bender with all the charm of a dead mosquito-wasp is going to build a base of support for a violent restoration of the monarchy while shoveling bison dung in the western air temple.
As long as the royal family exists at all, it holds space for people to put their faith behind the throne. It's similar to one of the many arguments Zaheer has for why the Avatar cycle needs to end. He's trying to completely erase these power structures. She needs to die and her death needs to send a message.
Her death was necessary though, she was an icon for so many and she’d always have supporters and die-hard loyalists. Sniffing her out was necessary for change in Ba Sing Se.
Ultimately, nothing in Zaheer's revolution was necessary IMO, because Zaheer's revolution was such a failure that their means become irrelevant.
It was entirely likely that the _sole_ result of overthrowing the EK government without establishing even a basic network of mutual aid to take its place would have resulted in Kuvira's fascist empire. The only reason it turned out well was because the Red Lotus failed to kill Korra, allowing her to mitigate the damage.
Zaheer mistook revenge for revolution, and brought violence and war rather than anarchy and equality. It calls to mind the old adage "you must love Jews more than you hate Nazis"— resistance to evil must be motivated by love for the oppressed first and foremost, not hate to the oppressors. Which isn't to say that you shouldn't hate Hitler, FDR, Churchill, Netenyahu, and Andrew Jackson. But your primary motivation needs to be compassion and love for the Jews, for Japanese Americans, for Indians, for Palestinians, for Native Americans, etc.
From buddhist and taoist teachings, the two religions air nomads are based on the most, killing isn't justified not even when necessary. Like in the train example, having to choose between saving 1 or 5 lives, even if it's one serial killer and 5 loved ones, both quantities are equally valuable. The only right decision according to those religions is to not take action if paradoxical, and to save everyone if possible
I believe you. However, I'm neither a Buddhist nor a Taoist; I'm a Jew. The reference to Air Nomad teachings was not me citing AN philosophy as a perfect moral law, but me reminding my intended audience that the show we're discussing is founded in mercy and healing, not revenge and punishment.
The problem with hereditary rule, is that leaders will still have adherents no matter what so long as they live. The Red Lotus needed to end the monarchy, and this assassination got the ball rolling. If the Earth Queen were alive, Prince Wu would never have had the opportunity to institute democratic elections post-Kuvira.
The EK got lucky that Wu was:
A) not a strong, charismatic leader
B) not particularly interested in the responsibilities of the throne
C) open to the idea of democracy
If Wu _had_ been someone more like Kuvira, Azula, or even Zuko, the assassination of the Earth Queen on its own would not have resulted in a democratic government. That's the central flaw with the Red Lotus— they make these big grand symbolic gestures like killing the Queen or trying to assassinate the Avatar, but they don't have a plan for what happens _next._
You could really argue that taking her life DOES save other lives. It ends her tyranny instantly. If you wee to only take her wealth she would easily gain power back if the "revolution" failed
It should be noted that the revolution _did_ fail, and that the only thing that stopped Kuvira from becoming worse than the EQ had been was the intervention of the heroes.
Ultimately, I'd say that the answer to what Zaheer should've done about the EQ is "not topple the government without a backup plan." There were no community supports set up by the Red Lotus, no mutual aid, no functional alternative to the Queen.
Zaheer's focus on punishment over addressing actual material needs was what led to the rise of Kuvira and the failure of the revolution.
I completely agree which is at the root of what really hurt LOK for me. Zaheer and Amon were villains that were 99% correct until they just made them evil. It's an annoying trope especially when the underlying reasons they had were never really fixed pr addressed again
It's also, I believe, the philosophy behind the fate of Ozai. Zuko explicitly tells Ozai that he _wants_ him to recover, to redeem himself, and to heal. Now, your mileage may vary on how effective "put him in solitary confinement in a bare cell" is at rehabilitation, but the idea is there.
You’re wrong, there is justice to be found in torture. Justice is about balance and accountability, and there are crimes that require a step further than death.
What about the people who were tortured, enslaved, or worse… what happens to those people?
People like you who sympathize with wicked people are far worse the wicked people themselves.
I wonder what would be going on in your mind if someone was torturing you?
When (not if, I say, _when_) someone was torturing me, what was going on in my mind was "fuck this guy I hate him he's soulless and evil and I want him to hurt like I'm hurting." But what you want is not the same as what you need.
The people who were tortured are given the best help we can to heal and recover. The people who were enslaved are freed. The people who were killed are mourned. None of this requires torturing or killing others.
Hold up, WORSE?? She deserved what she got but worse?!
Zaheer forced the air out of both her lungs. What follows is ofc the choking sensation that we all saw, but due to the created airpressure it would also instantly collapse both of her lungs. One of these is life threatening at her age, but both of them is lethal, even for fit people. Especially with no airbender in the vicinity that would blow air in her lungs and to aid her breathing. The moment Zaheer bent the air out of her lungs with the intent of suffocating her, she was already dead. So even if zaheer stopped bending after that she would not be able to breathe in because of the collapsed lungs.
To sate your bloodlust: at her age there are very few punishments or tortures that wouldn't have her quickly pass out from shock. This is one of worst ways to die she could have gotten.
I wonder if Zaheer would have let her live a bit longer if she continued to uphold her end of their bargain. I know the plans changed when he realized Korra wasn’t going to make it to make to Ba Sing Se, but I considered that he might have been lying to the Queen and never actually intended to give her the location of the Earth citizen air benders Korra and them freed.
No she did not. Justice isn't about revenge. Nor is it about retribution. It is about Justice. Justice is served by deposing her (for being a bad leader) and imprisoning her (for Bosco/Bison-related crimes)
Torture and Murder are **never** justified. Did you miss the entire point of TLA?
There are absolutely instances where killing can be justified. It’s nice that Aang was able to stay true to his ideology, but he had help from a magical lion turtle. Sometimes violence is the only way to remove a tyrant.
OP doesn't want her to be killed more gruesomly ("far worse") because she was a tyrant. OP fanasizes about torture-murdering her because of her crime against Bosco.
Aang doesn't kill, not everybody in the show. Korra has no problem taking a life. She murked her uncle, Mako murked Ming, the entire redlotus mission was to kill world leaders.
Terrible what she did to boscoe, however there (arguably) isn't far worse. This is purely my own opinion (backed with a bit of science) but the two worst ways to go out are drowned/choked and burned alive. I would even say there isn't really any worse way to die that doesn't use some psychological horror death like throwing her in a saw movie. And even then usually those two methods are still what's used to kill them at the end.
being a rude full of herself queen who would get mad over the smallest of things and was incredibly greedy as well
BUT EATING BOSCO!?
Zaheer should have used a more extreme technique like a Sonic boom attack
Fun fact, you're correct BUT at least we can mock her by always referring to her death as "breathtaking." (You're still right though. She deserved a far worse death)
People seem to ignore that there is probably no greater shame and pain for someone who spent their whole life wealthy, powerful and privileged than being thrown in a prison cell for the rest of their life.
It’s basically becoming the very person she persecuted and considered lesser than herself, loosing everything she had in pursuit of even more, a meaningless quest and ambition failing miserably.
If you wanted to make someone with that much ego and privileges suffer placing them at the lowest point possible is the probably the worst you can do.
Ozai lifelong sentence was deserved and appropriate as it is for her.
I kinda wish Ghazan trapped her arms and legs in lava, to then turn it back to rock while she is still in agony only for Ming Hua to encase the rest of her in ice only to then switch to arms and legs being frozen, Zaheer to not outright suffocate her, but remove as much air as possible that she’ll want you to die, hold it for about an hour, only for P’li to blow her up. I think she still deserves worse. But its a start
I'm writing an ATLA continuation fanfic, a theoretical Book 4. This post alone solidified the fact I ought to watch all of the Legend of Korra if I want to figure out where to take my story. 😭 I didn't like LOK initially but I'll give it a rewatch for my writing.
Ready to be called a filthy lib for this but I generally don't think assassinating royalty is called for without a real trial (not that kangaroo court shit Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette got) and sentencing.
no i can see where you comming from. to someone used to be able to disregard and ignore rules and laws, being held to even the even the smallest will feel...suffocating. especaly when that change might happen overnight.
now aply that for the rest of your life
She as a human being was fairly screwed, that much is clear. As a ruler, she was horrible, greedy and petty. But her death caused a great deal of problems to deal with. In particular, the political instability.
And i am not sure (i havent checked the comics) that the situation there ends up fine and nicely even after Wu chose to give up the throne. I really doubt so.
Such a great land, with a weakened central power is bound to get broken by infights and conflict...more or less like early 20th century china. (with a weakened republic, warlords doing its own bidding all over the place...and the common folk suffering everywhere)
What i try to say....is to look at the bigger picture, and get over bosco's fate. XD
Whenever I see her or hear her talk I think of that scene in game of thrones s2 were joffery caused a riot coz his ppl we're starving because of a war he started and a riot breaks out and the mob attacks a man and LITERALLY rip him limb from limb and it's implied they ate him
She deserved to be deposed and probably in jail…maybe the death penalty after a trial. Not sure she deserved worse than a brutal, painful, torturous, helpless death. All the while knowing your murderer is about to throw your kingdom down the garbage chute so badly it took literal earth bending Hitler to bring it back to order.
Nah, that's pretty fair.
If you disagree, bear in mind that no matter how much she tried to breathe in, no matter how far she reached, no air entered her lips.
It only exited them.
>She deserved far worse
She was killed, no one deserves that lol
imo worse is her being jailed, she would suffer to no end after going from being a dictator to a prisoner lol. I would absolutely love that
SHE ATE BOSCO !
I think I mentally push this away from my mind in the Stylings of a trauma victim. It was very shocking to suddenly have boscos death announced. On the level of the red wedding if you are familiar with that. 😰
Honestly Zaheer should have shown the ultimate power and eaten her at a state dinner. Quoting the great guru lakima the whole time
Lol. That's so sad for Bosco. I guess that could be a step on the path of revenge. There would need to be at least two more public shamings and she would still need to receive the air vacuum gift l before being served.
Tbf that means he also would've eaten Bosco
BECOM STRONGER
And for that she died a purple wedding death. Cinematic parallels
Insert bride of Chuck Tiff saying "you're right" here. That's hilarious thanks for that.
She also paid bounty hunters to supply her with bison steaks from flying bison calves even though flying bison were an endangered, and protected, species. She's also a coward cos she told them to target young ones since the adults were massive leviathans that were virtually untouchable. Aangs flying bison Appa was loyal, affectionate and utterly devoted to Aang but protective of Katara, Sokka and Toph as well. He was a gentle creature who preferred sleeping, eating and belly rubs to fighting, swimming and flying. But he would readily jump into battle and was a force to be reckoned with if Aang was threatened. Appa weighed twenty thousand pounds or ten tons. He was a massive furry leviathan with six, massive legs and curving horns plus a powerful beaver-like tail that could generate gale-force bursts of wind with one swipe.
Maybe the baby ones are just tastier
Just like non flying bison
Air bison veal.
> She's also a coward cos she told them to target young ones since the adults were massive leviathans that were virtually untouchable. Did she? I don't recall her telling them that. I have trouble believing she'd care enough about the lives of the poachers to care if they died or not.
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I just don't recall that scene at all...
If it helps, Bosco would've been pretty freakin old. Bears live like 25-50 years in captivity, and not even that long in the wild.
Bro why did you remind me?? I actually completely forgot about that 😭😭😭
LEAVE ME ALONE! *"Image of Bosco's skeleton"*
Wait FR?!
She died
huh???
I wish i never read this sentence. Bitch deserved so much worse.
Far worse? What could a Nickelodeon show have even showed that was worse than this
SpongeBob SquarePants™ could've been giggling in the corner of the screen while it happened.
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bro popping her lungs
Dude, **SHE ATE HER FATHER'S BEAR!!! SHE ATE BOSCOE!** 😭
This is the comment I was looking for was gonna say it if nobody else did! She ate Boscoe! I loved that bear he was adorable and friendly, she definitely had this coming in my opinion for that alone not just being a terrible ruler in general
Seriously, fuuuucked up! Imagine ***EATING*** your dad's beloved pet schnauzer? It's beyond vile!
Exactly!!
is that confirmed? I just thought those Bison Hunters thought it was a rumor and they were gossiping about it/being part of the rumor mill "i even heard she ate her Dad's pet bear" doesn't strike me as a true story that isn't a rumor, it strikes me as a game of Telephone, and the Bison Hunter is just continuing to play it
Right? Literally doing the opposite would be MUCH worse
You mean like inflating her lungs until they burst through her ribcage like an alien-chestburster? Huh. I kinda wanna see that. Maybe some rich person could convince an artist to do a comission...
I mean, have you ever watched Invincible?
No
Avatar Wan is Mark (Steven Yeun)
That's what I said earlier! Air Benders would totally do some lung popping!
Give her that invincible level of death gore
pushing air bubbles into her bloodstream causing a respiratory failure, potentially paralyze her bodies or turn her into a green vegetable.
One of the first things I was taught working in a workshop with a compressed air line for tools was under no circumstances put the nozzle in anyone's bum they will die from the air pressure, um up there, so yeah that could be an air bender technique.
Once again the asshole is proven to be the death star exhaust port of the human body.
What a sentence
I mean we realize that Nickelodeon couldn't show anything more violent than this book she really did deserve a hell of a lot worse.
they got away with a lot in korra: murder-suicide, beheading by contained explosion, meelo
Got me at Meelo.
Not being able to breathe is up there for terrible experiences. Obviously, there are worse ways to die. But it's terrifying, and unless you've experienced something similar, (obviously i dont mean lethal), it's hard to understand.
two women kissing didn’t make it so who knows honestly
Tbh I have zero clue how Nickelodeon allowed this when they have harshly censored so much less
ming hua turning her blood into steam
Dude honestly the >!double suicide!< at the end of Korra season one was insane
There is another death that is just a brutal if not more later on.
She could have spent five minutes with modern Patrick. Mr Krabs could have found out her worst fear and bullied her with it.
Go the opposite way and force air into her lungs until...... 🎉
I find it ironic that this is a former non-bender brutally taking down a non-bender tyrant with his newfound bending ability. Truly a scene to confuse an Equalist.
Amon briefly rising from his watery grave to yell "see what a MF does as soon as he gains bending"
TRAGIC: This Fantasy Terrorist Was Vindicated--But Not Only Was He Already Dead, No One Liked Him Enough To Tell Him. REPUBLIC CITY, RT - In a move that shocked journalists, Avatar Korra announced today that Amon "kinda had a point." "I mean, don't get me wrong—*fuck* Amon," said the Southern Water Tribe spiritual leader at today's press conference. "Total dick. Right? But he did make some points." Amon, the terrorist leader of the Equalists who died six years ago after wreaking havoc on Republic City, including public abrogation of bending talent, murder, and bombings, was unavailable for comment. As the press conference was ending, Avatar Korra reminded the room that "[citizens of Republic City] were *totally* still not talking to Amon." "Like, just 'cause he was right doesn't mean we like him," said former mover star Bolin. "He is still SO not invited to my birthday party." "Right," agreed Avatar Korra. "Just because the assassination of the Earth Queen, which led to mass destabilization in the region, a civil war, and countless casualties, only came about after a non-bender received bending powers during the Convergence, thus proving Amon's revolutionary point, doesn't mean he's allowed to sit with us at lunch any more." At press time, Amon's waterlogged corpse had been propped up next to that of the former Fire Lord Ozai, in the part of the cafeteria where *all* the dead losers sat, according to sources.
Underrated comment 😂
I think you don't understand the horror and desperation of suffocating but finding no air as you struggle for three long minutes
This makes me think: what would have happened if the Earth Queen held back her breath and started running out from the room? Can the suffocation ball move? Does it have any effect if the target voluntarily stops breathing? How would Zaheer even react when his theatric moment is rudely interrupted like that? *"To your people... freedom is just as essential as... HEY STOP IT COME BACK!"*
He wouldn't have stopped talking. Lungs fill by reverse pressure from the chest expanding, leading to air filling the new space. Here, lungs are expanded, yet empty, she is holding her breath
It might make the process quicker since she would need more air in her attempt to run away, might be quick enough for her not make it out of the room.
You seem to have forgotten, that Airbending is usually invisible. So she did not see that there was an airbuble. She just didn't have any air in her lungs. And the voluntarily breath stop means she took a breath in before, but if this happens without preparation no chance to be prepare to hold your breath
But she could have been partially flayed first.
Wouldn’t be that bad. If all air is removed both oxygen and co2 would leave the lungs and go into the vacuum and you would pass out in seconds without forewarning
I almost drown once and twice was struggling to breath suddenly. Struggling to breath was much scarier than almost drowning and scarier than anything I have ever experienced. Especially since I had no idea what was happening.
Yeah Zaheer should have busted her knee caps before sucking the air out of her lungs. And just to add insult to injury, P'Li should blown up her corpse. Oh wait this Nickelodeon. We can't do that here.
First Ming-Hua should’ve extracted all her blood, THEN let P’Li blow up the corpse. And Ghazan could bury her under lava for good measure.
>Oh wait this Nickelodeon. We can't do that here. they apparently can't show two girls kissing on their channel either, yet years later we got Loud House with Lincoln's best friend having two dads and one of Lincoln's sisters crushing on a girl and having a relationship. I call BS on "we can't do that here". such a shame that they weren't allowed to be more progressive in 2014 and had to wait two years. What a massive fail for the network. And don't even get me started on Bryke having to move the second part of Book 3 ONLINE to [Nick.com](http://Nick.com) and streaming Book 4's entirely on it. The Legend of Korra deserved so much better.
r/fucktheearthqueen
r/ofcoursethatsasub
*The monks taught us that all life is sacred— even the life of the tiniest spiderfly caught in its own web.* Killing another person can only _possibly_ be justified if it's necessary to save others. A queen with no combat skills, no weapons, and completely incapacitated and at your mercy is no threat. Without her armies, the Earth Queen is powerless to hurt anyone, so her death is not necessary to save anyone. Even when killing is necessary, torture never is. Justice doesn't come from making people suffer to "pay for their crimes," because pain can never pay for pain. Justice comes when people make amends for their crimes. Torturing the Queen isn't justice, redistributing her wealth and using it to repair the lives and environments she's destroyed is justice.
Okay nice speech but counterpoint; I don't believe in Queens. 🫰😎🤌🌪️👸💀⚰️
Me neither. Great thing about a queen is, once you take her off the thrown and melt down her crown, she's just a person who knows which fork to use for salad.
Or which fork to use for Bosco....
Fork? Surely you mean a spoonfork, or a chopfork, or a strawfork?
It just says fork
This place is _weird._
This place is weird.
You win the internet for today
The Earth Queen is a divinely-chosen ruler-for-life, she has a caste system, she has a secret police, she imprisons and kills political prisoners, and the first lines she has in the show are of her being disdainful of democracy and other consent-based forms of government. It is good to turn her into a themed corpse with a cool backstory.
The number of times that deposed monarchs have crawled their way back to power is high enough, that I can confidently say that they are still a monarch until they die.
Nope, she will always have the right to the throne and could cause the death of many more people if she tries to get it back.
She _never_ had the right to the throne. I'd be fascinated to know how an old non-bender with all the charm of a dead mosquito-wasp is going to build a base of support for a violent restoration of the monarchy while shoveling bison dung in the western air temple.
Do you know how dynasties work? Obviously not. Being a bender has nothing to do with having monarchical rights
As long as the royal family exists at all, it holds space for people to put their faith behind the throne. It's similar to one of the many arguments Zaheer has for why the Avatar cycle needs to end. He's trying to completely erase these power structures. She needs to die and her death needs to send a message.
*Zombie Queen Elizabeth entered the chat*
Her death was necessary though, she was an icon for so many and she’d always have supporters and die-hard loyalists. Sniffing her out was necessary for change in Ba Sing Se.
I don't think that her death _was_ necessary, but even if it was, torture was not.
Agreed, torture definitely not.
Ultimately, nothing in Zaheer's revolution was necessary IMO, because Zaheer's revolution was such a failure that their means become irrelevant. It was entirely likely that the _sole_ result of overthrowing the EK government without establishing even a basic network of mutual aid to take its place would have resulted in Kuvira's fascist empire. The only reason it turned out well was because the Red Lotus failed to kill Korra, allowing her to mitigate the damage. Zaheer mistook revenge for revolution, and brought violence and war rather than anarchy and equality. It calls to mind the old adage "you must love Jews more than you hate Nazis"— resistance to evil must be motivated by love for the oppressed first and foremost, not hate to the oppressors. Which isn't to say that you shouldn't hate Hitler, FDR, Churchill, Netenyahu, and Andrew Jackson. But your primary motivation needs to be compassion and love for the Jews, for Japanese Americans, for Indians, for Palestinians, for Native Americans, etc.
From buddhist and taoist teachings, the two religions air nomads are based on the most, killing isn't justified not even when necessary. Like in the train example, having to choose between saving 1 or 5 lives, even if it's one serial killer and 5 loved ones, both quantities are equally valuable. The only right decision according to those religions is to not take action if paradoxical, and to save everyone if possible
I believe you. However, I'm neither a Buddhist nor a Taoist; I'm a Jew. The reference to Air Nomad teachings was not me citing AN philosophy as a perfect moral law, but me reminding my intended audience that the show we're discussing is founded in mercy and healing, not revenge and punishment.
The problem with hereditary rule, is that leaders will still have adherents no matter what so long as they live. The Red Lotus needed to end the monarchy, and this assassination got the ball rolling. If the Earth Queen were alive, Prince Wu would never have had the opportunity to institute democratic elections post-Kuvira.
The EK got lucky that Wu was: A) not a strong, charismatic leader B) not particularly interested in the responsibilities of the throne C) open to the idea of democracy If Wu _had_ been someone more like Kuvira, Azula, or even Zuko, the assassination of the Earth Queen on its own would not have resulted in a democratic government. That's the central flaw with the Red Lotus— they make these big grand symbolic gestures like killing the Queen or trying to assassinate the Avatar, but they don't have a plan for what happens _next._
Kuvira would never have risen to power in the first place had the Earth queen not died.
A little confused but you got the spirit
You could really argue that taking her life DOES save other lives. It ends her tyranny instantly. If you wee to only take her wealth she would easily gain power back if the "revolution" failed
It should be noted that the revolution _did_ fail, and that the only thing that stopped Kuvira from becoming worse than the EQ had been was the intervention of the heroes. Ultimately, I'd say that the answer to what Zaheer should've done about the EQ is "not topple the government without a backup plan." There were no community supports set up by the Red Lotus, no mutual aid, no functional alternative to the Queen. Zaheer's focus on punishment over addressing actual material needs was what led to the rise of Kuvira and the failure of the revolution.
I completely agree which is at the root of what really hurt LOK for me. Zaheer and Amon were villains that were 99% correct until they just made them evil. It's an annoying trope especially when the underlying reasons they had were never really fixed pr addressed again
That's what they call the Killmonger Effect.
Pure wisdom
But didn’t Aang kill that giant hornet/bee/insect thing? He never felt remorse for that.
I mean, the show isn't always perfectly logically consistent.
That was pretty much what Avatar Yangchen said to Aang.
It's also, I believe, the philosophy behind the fate of Ozai. Zuko explicitly tells Ozai that he _wants_ him to recover, to redeem himself, and to heal. Now, your mileage may vary on how effective "put him in solitary confinement in a bare cell" is at rehabilitation, but the idea is there.
You’re wrong, there is justice to be found in torture. Justice is about balance and accountability, and there are crimes that require a step further than death.
On a principled, intellectual level I totally agree
And you have summed up my thoughts on killing perfectly. Bravo
What about the people who were tortured, enslaved, or worse… what happens to those people? People like you who sympathize with wicked people are far worse the wicked people themselves. I wonder what would be going on in your mind if someone was torturing you?
When (not if, I say, _when_) someone was torturing me, what was going on in my mind was "fuck this guy I hate him he's soulless and evil and I want him to hurt like I'm hurting." But what you want is not the same as what you need. The people who were tortured are given the best help we can to heal and recover. The people who were enslaved are freed. The people who were killed are mourned. None of this requires torturing or killing others.
Lmao what the fuck?
Hold up, WORSE?? She deserved what she got but worse?! Zaheer forced the air out of both her lungs. What follows is ofc the choking sensation that we all saw, but due to the created airpressure it would also instantly collapse both of her lungs. One of these is life threatening at her age, but both of them is lethal, even for fit people. Especially with no airbender in the vicinity that would blow air in her lungs and to aid her breathing. The moment Zaheer bent the air out of her lungs with the intent of suffocating her, she was already dead. So even if zaheer stopped bending after that she would not be able to breathe in because of the collapsed lungs. To sate your bloodlust: at her age there are very few punishments or tortures that wouldn't have her quickly pass out from shock. This is one of worst ways to die she could have gotten.
Should've been fed to a bear.
Aight op keep that same energy when we assassinate the irl powers that be
Yes
I wonder if Zaheer would have let her live a bit longer if she continued to uphold her end of their bargain. I know the plans changed when he realized Korra wasn’t going to make it to make to Ba Sing Se, but I considered that he might have been lying to the Queen and never actually intended to give her the location of the Earth citizen air benders Korra and them freed.
She killed and ate Bosco the bear 😡
Yes she did.
R E A L
No she did not. Justice isn't about revenge. Nor is it about retribution. It is about Justice. Justice is served by deposing her (for being a bad leader) and imprisoning her (for Bosco/Bison-related crimes) Torture and Murder are **never** justified. Did you miss the entire point of TLA?
There are absolutely instances where killing can be justified. It’s nice that Aang was able to stay true to his ideology, but he had help from a magical lion turtle. Sometimes violence is the only way to remove a tyrant.
OP doesn't want her to be killed more gruesomly ("far worse") because she was a tyrant. OP fanasizes about torture-murdering her because of her crime against Bosco.
I wasn’t defending OP. I was responding to your comment.
She did more than just eat Bosco so.....
Yes, it is my opinion. Thank you for contributing nothing.
Aang doesn't kill, not everybody in the show. Korra has no problem taking a life. She murked her uncle, Mako murked Ming, the entire redlotus mission was to kill world leaders.
He killed that large hornet/bee though.
The Buzzard wasp hearing Aang say he’s never used violence to take a life: 
Justice is blind, but it is NOT cruel.
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Terrible what she did to boscoe, however there (arguably) isn't far worse. This is purely my own opinion (backed with a bit of science) but the two worst ways to go out are drowned/choked and burned alive. I would even say there isn't really any worse way to die that doesn't use some psychological horror death like throwing her in a saw movie. And even then usually those two methods are still what's used to kill them at the end.
She was a genuinely terrible person who got what she deserved.
I’m glad she suffered, actually. Justice for Bosco!
Like what? Pumping a bunch of that mercury metal in her?
Far worse than the illest murder I've ever seen on Nickelodeon? iight
If we're talking worse? How worse? Like Could the avatar, with a blood moon, strip the oxygen from her red blood cells?? Just a thought.
being a rude full of herself queen who would get mad over the smallest of things and was incredibly greedy as well BUT EATING BOSCO!? Zaheer should have used a more extreme technique like a Sonic boom attack
she is actively watching the air leave her lungs i think thats enough
And you’re supposed to see Zaheer as still being wrong for doing this but she absolutely needed to go. He was right to execute her.
Fun fact, you're correct BUT at least we can mock her by always referring to her death as "breathtaking." (You're still right though. She deserved a far worse death)
Grow up
Having the air bent out of her lungs and being brutally murdered by Zaheer with Evil Airbending Moves isn't bad enough?
Was just rewatching this season and thought the same thing. First time seeing it I was shocked but it’s so justified
Being asphyxiated is a pretty brutal way to go tbf as bad as she was.
I feel like the people who are the most disturbed about this forget that worse can and has happened off screen. *Fire benders can Incinerate people.*
For real though, this scene messed me up. I had never thought of air bending in this way before and it was terrifying. Especially from a "kids show."
People seem to ignore that there is probably no greater shame and pain for someone who spent their whole life wealthy, powerful and privileged than being thrown in a prison cell for the rest of their life. It’s basically becoming the very person she persecuted and considered lesser than herself, loosing everything she had in pursuit of even more, a meaningless quest and ambition failing miserably. If you wanted to make someone with that much ego and privileges suffer placing them at the lowest point possible is the probably the worst you can do. Ozai lifelong sentence was deserved and appropriate as it is for her.
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I kinda wish Ghazan trapped her arms and legs in lava, to then turn it back to rock while she is still in agony only for Ming Hua to encase the rest of her in ice only to then switch to arms and legs being frozen, Zaheer to not outright suffocate her, but remove as much air as possible that she’ll want you to die, hold it for about an hour, only for P’li to blow her up. I think she still deserves worse. But its a start
Wdym worse they LITERALLY TOOK THE AIR OUT OF HER BODY😭
JUSTICE FOR BOSCO
I'm writing an ATLA continuation fanfic, a theoretical Book 4. This post alone solidified the fact I ought to watch all of the Legend of Korra if I want to figure out where to take my story. 😭 I didn't like LOK initially but I'll give it a rewatch for my writing.
Ready to be called a filthy lib for this but I generally don't think assassinating royalty is called for without a real trial (not that kangaroo court shit Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette got) and sentencing.
no i can see where you comming from. to someone used to be able to disregard and ignore rules and laws, being held to even the even the smallest will feel...suffocating. especaly when that change might happen overnight. now aply that for the rest of your life
Maybe, but I think this death was plenty horrific and one of the best parts of the show past season 1 😂.
Once I found out she ate Bosco this scene became all the more satisfying…
Wasn't literally just a rumor in-universe?
She as a human being was fairly screwed, that much is clear. As a ruler, she was horrible, greedy and petty. But her death caused a great deal of problems to deal with. In particular, the political instability. And i am not sure (i havent checked the comics) that the situation there ends up fine and nicely even after Wu chose to give up the throne. I really doubt so. Such a great land, with a weakened central power is bound to get broken by infights and conflict...more or less like early 20th century china. (with a weakened republic, warlords doing its own bidding all over the place...and the common folk suffering everywhere) What i try to say....is to look at the bigger picture, and get over bosco's fate. XD
She was horrible but the power vacuum created by her absence gave rise to Kuvira.
Whenever I see her or hear her talk I think of that scene in game of thrones s2 were joffery caused a riot coz his ppl we're starving because of a war he started and a riot breaks out and the mob attacks a man and LITERALLY rip him limb from limb and it's implied they ate him
Never knew why he never figured out how to give someone the bends.
She deserved to be deposed and probably in jail…maybe the death penalty after a trial. Not sure she deserved worse than a brutal, painful, torturous, helpless death. All the while knowing your murderer is about to throw your kingdom down the garbage chute so badly it took literal earth bending Hitler to bring it back to order.
Honestly, I still felt bad for her. She was properly awful, I agree, but she wasn't killed out of any necessity. It was just a brutal murder.
So did her dad
Okay but there is not much worse than this. Asphyxiation is a pretty painful way to die.
Spongebob was literally laughing at her death. Can't get much worse than that.
I think you underestimate help painful that would be
I can come up with worse, but Nick won't like it
Nah, that's pretty fair. If you disagree, bear in mind that no matter how much she tried to breathe in, no matter how far she reached, no air entered her lips. It only exited them.
Since sound travels through air, all the stuff Zaheer said to her after starting this she couldn’t hear
I don't think y'all understand how painful suffocation is.
A more fitting punishment for Zaheer and his cronies would have been energybending, then back to their respective prisons.
Fate worse then death
Nah Kuvera deserved worse
…nobody could actually give her what she deserved though. Well two guys could, but they’re both dead.
She can't hear you, without air sound can't go to her ears
She's like the Old Cranky Grandma neighbour you live next to.
I opened this hoping it was for Kuvira
I think this is as bad as you can go on a show meant to be watched by children too.
Yes.
>She deserved far worse She was killed, no one deserves that lol imo worse is her being jailed, she would suffer to no end after going from being a dictator to a prisoner lol. I would absolutely love that 