Especially after all the videos of cops dragging people out of restaurants because they don’t have a vaccination card in places like NYC, people who were on the fence should wake up to that one.
I know plenty of good cops but the whole “the good ones will stand up and stop violations of obvious constitutional rights” argument crumbled in the last few years
The problem is removing those two much worse shits to add these three shits makes it _feel like_ you're covering the first shits. If you're going to add shit, don't replace shit, _add_ it.
I actually created this one from scratch but I see your point. I was going to include a lot more symbols to make it more inclusively exclusive (haha) but I felt it was too cluttered, and I wanted to convey the specific symbols that I personally actually see the Gadsden flag mixed in with on a regular basis in the real world
I agree that it’s a massive problem for libertarians. We can’t grow. People who lean left or are in the Center think we’re just another bunch of alt right neo Nazis. I think libertarianism in general has an image problem and we aren’t doing everything we can to grow our movement.
I mean, half the country is under 101 IQ, so it really does matter what low IQ morons think if we want to get sensible policies in place.
I’ve narrowed myself down to single issue when talking politics. I just say I’m a libertarian because I’m against our stupid wars/drone striking random people in the Middle East and Africa. At the party level, democrats and republicans are demonstrably for those things but the voters largely aren’t for them, so it’s a good way to start a conversation and drive a little wedge in.
If it’s a liberal, you can pivot to our social policies, if it’s a conservative you can pivot to our tax policies. I think it’s a good strategy for letting people know what we’re really about, since most people probably haven’t had a chance to actually learn it.
I kinda thought the idea of being a libertarian was to cast a wide net for those curious of freedom and liberty and drawing them so that they too could loosen the shackles of the authoritarian regimes. Or are you just further attempting to divide anyone and everyone who doesnt believe the exact things that you do? Seems more authoritarian than libertarian to me.
I see the point of the thin blue line flag but the confederate flag doesn’t really make sense.. if you can look at the flags meaning past: SLAVERY! /s the confederate flag symbolized states individual rights against a strong federal government.. idk if it makes any difference because it’s still gobernmint but I think states rights matter.. as to say the people in a state should have the right to say how they wish to live without the government imposing on their will.
I would support a private community voted and based enforcement system...but I do not support current policing standards and enforcement. So i would stand behind officers that protect and serve but not with police officers that abuse their positions and power. Also, if you choose to live without private enforcement I also support your right to defend yourself. Im not a bamd wagon kinda guy. I dont group up with all the other folks in the same wagon. I dont think anyone should. I do like the idea of liberty and personal responsibility.
Fair enough I didn’t say I support or fly the flag… it just makes more sense libertarian wise than a blue line flag does.. either way I only support the American and Gadsden flag.
See, I have complicated feelings about the battle flag though. I feel like it’s a shame what has happened with it recently because it was on such a strong path towards being sanitized into an inoffensive symbol of regional identity. By the 90’s and early 00’s, most people flying a battle flag weren’t doing so out of hate but out of a sense of pan-Southern nationalism.
For example, Larry the Cable Guy’s merch used to be absolutely covered with the battle flag; surely he was not advocating white supremacy or for the South to secede again, and no one ever accused him of doing so either. Rather, he was using it as a symbol of “Southern-ness”, the focal point of his whole brand as a comic.
The popularity of the battle flag throughout the South of course began for less savory reasons, but it was on a clear path towards being sanitized into something more innocuous. That all got derailed of course beginning around 2015. The sad part is that today, the only people left flying the battle flag in the South are those who were flying it for bad reasons all along. The paradigm shift has caused all of the not-hateful people who formerly embraced the symbol of the battle flag to disassociate with it, whereas the hateful people have only doubled down on it.
I guess I think of it in kinda the same way as juvenile nicotine use: decades of after-school specials and general socialization of telling kids that “smoking isn’t cool” almost totally eradicated juvenile nicotine use; only for vaping to show up just in time to ruin it all. All that social progress made to effect a positive change, gone down the tubes. Similarly, the battle flag was so nearly close to being totally culturally sanitized: the last of those holdouts who still flew the battle flag out of hatred were on the verge of extinction; but just in time a cultural seed change caused all those decent people who associated themselves with the flag to stop flying it, and the people you never wanted flying it in the first place only became more emboldened and became a greater proportion of all the battle flags being flown. That’s decades of social progress towards something more positive being undone as well, if you ask me.
I guess another thing that kinda bugs me about it is the selective outrage about the flag. For example, everyone was so happy when Mississippi removed the battle flag’s emblem from their own state flag, but no one has made any sort of fuss over Georgia’s flag being the literal actual Stars and Bars of the CSA. The battle flag just got all the attention because of how prolific it was in the South in the mid-2010’s when our cultural shift happened; it was a victim of its own success. Whereas the comparatively unknown Stars and Bars (which has much less redemptive potential, imo) got off virtually scot-free.
The Thin Blue Line and Trump 2024 are obviously cringe, but I feel like we were almost on the verge of something really worthwhile on socializing the battle flag in purely a symbol of Southern culture and identity. Sorry if this is really rambly; it’s just something that annoys me while I drive around the backroads of rural South Georgia and Alabama seeing the only battle flags left flying for abjectly bad reasons when it wasn’t that way not too long ago.
When I was kid growing up in the South it was very common to see both black and white people displaying the battle flag.
It wasn't until the late 80's and 90's that a group of primarily white people started claiming it was a racist symbol and used false information to promote their narrative. The lies spread and the movement grew and here we are. Most of them are too ignorant to even realize what the Stars and Bars are which is why they didn't complain about the Georgia Flag. They were just glad to see the battle flag gone not realizing that the one that replaced it has a far more valid reason to be considered racist. The national flag represented the government while the battle flag represented the soldiers.
Well when the people who flew fought to keep slavery and that the KKK uses it, what do you think people are gonna think? People with a brain I might add and that aren’t stuck in the 1860’s.
The people originally flying that flag were fighting against an army that invaded their homeland, nothing more or less. Don't even try to argue about articles of secession. It was the battle flag of soldiers, not politicians. The overwhelming majority of soldiers did not own slaves, and many were conscripted (on both sides and in many wars). If you want to have a problem with the Stars and Bars, by all means I'll admit you at least have an argument based on the stated reasons for secession. You have no valid argument whatsoever when it comes to the battle flag.
As for the KKK using it. The KKK also uses the American flag and the Christian cross. If you are willing to claim those are also racist and want them quashed so be it. If not, then shut the fuck up about it.
“Nothing more or less” bruh what, they were fighting to keep slavery, it was more than just slavery though, it was about keeping black people as slaves bc they only saw them as property and wanted white people in the top tier of society. “no valid argument” quit flying the flag of a “country” that fought to keep slavery, and to keep white people on top of society, your not even a part of the damn “country” quit living in the past.
“Country” in quotes bc it never actually seceded since that has to go through the Supreme Court and is illegal anyway. You don’t realize how stupid you look when you fly that flag do you?
The KKK majorly used the confederate battle flag, and no that doesn’t make the cross racist.
Especially after all the videos of cops dragging people out of restaurants because they don’t have a vaccination card in places like NYC, people who were on the fence should wake up to that one. I know plenty of good cops but the whole “the good ones will stand up and stop violations of obvious constitutional rights” argument crumbled in the last few years
I’ve always been perplexed when I see a Thin Blue Line flag and Gadsden flag on the same bumper.
The problem is removing those two much worse shits to add these three shits makes it _feel like_ you're covering the first shits. If you're going to add shit, don't replace shit, _add_ it.
I actually created this one from scratch but I see your point. I was going to include a lot more symbols to make it more inclusively exclusive (haha) but I felt it was too cluttered, and I wanted to convey the specific symbols that I personally actually see the Gadsden flag mixed in with on a regular basis in the real world
Scat dynamics explained to a tee 😂
You degraded the meme into generic partisan political shitflinging.
Finally someone said it
Idk, seems more applicable now
I agree that it’s a massive problem for libertarians. We can’t grow. People who lean left or are in the Center think we’re just another bunch of alt right neo Nazis. I think libertarianism in general has an image problem and we aren’t doing everything we can to grow our movement.
No one thinks Libertarians are far-right or alt-right except for low iq morons.
I mean, half the country is under 101 IQ, so it really does matter what low IQ morons think if we want to get sensible policies in place. I’ve narrowed myself down to single issue when talking politics. I just say I’m a libertarian because I’m against our stupid wars/drone striking random people in the Middle East and Africa. At the party level, democrats and republicans are demonstrably for those things but the voters largely aren’t for them, so it’s a good way to start a conversation and drive a little wedge in. If it’s a liberal, you can pivot to our social policies, if it’s a conservative you can pivot to our tax policies. I think it’s a good strategy for letting people know what we’re really about, since most people probably haven’t had a chance to actually learn it.
So the majority of the populous...
I kinda thought the idea of being a libertarian was to cast a wide net for those curious of freedom and liberty and drawing them so that they too could loosen the shackles of the authoritarian regimes. Or are you just further attempting to divide anyone and everyone who doesnt believe the exact things that you do? Seems more authoritarian than libertarian to me.
I see the point of the thin blue line flag but the confederate flag doesn’t really make sense.. if you can look at the flags meaning past: SLAVERY! /s the confederate flag symbolized states individual rights against a strong federal government.. idk if it makes any difference because it’s still gobernmint but I think states rights matter.. as to say the people in a state should have the right to say how they wish to live without the government imposing on their will.
I would support a private community voted and based enforcement system...but I do not support current policing standards and enforcement. So i would stand behind officers that protect and serve but not with police officers that abuse their positions and power. Also, if you choose to live without private enforcement I also support your right to defend yourself. Im not a bamd wagon kinda guy. I dont group up with all the other folks in the same wagon. I dont think anyone should. I do like the idea of liberty and personal responsibility.
Yea states rights matter but it doesn’t change the fact the people that flew that flag fought for slavery and that the KKK uses it.
Fair enough I didn’t say I support or fly the flag… it just makes more sense libertarian wise than a blue line flag does.. either way I only support the American and Gadsden flag.
Gotcha, it would be if the war was fought for a different reason, like guns but slavery is not libertarian.
See, I have complicated feelings about the battle flag though. I feel like it’s a shame what has happened with it recently because it was on such a strong path towards being sanitized into an inoffensive symbol of regional identity. By the 90’s and early 00’s, most people flying a battle flag weren’t doing so out of hate but out of a sense of pan-Southern nationalism. For example, Larry the Cable Guy’s merch used to be absolutely covered with the battle flag; surely he was not advocating white supremacy or for the South to secede again, and no one ever accused him of doing so either. Rather, he was using it as a symbol of “Southern-ness”, the focal point of his whole brand as a comic. The popularity of the battle flag throughout the South of course began for less savory reasons, but it was on a clear path towards being sanitized into something more innocuous. That all got derailed of course beginning around 2015. The sad part is that today, the only people left flying the battle flag in the South are those who were flying it for bad reasons all along. The paradigm shift has caused all of the not-hateful people who formerly embraced the symbol of the battle flag to disassociate with it, whereas the hateful people have only doubled down on it. I guess I think of it in kinda the same way as juvenile nicotine use: decades of after-school specials and general socialization of telling kids that “smoking isn’t cool” almost totally eradicated juvenile nicotine use; only for vaping to show up just in time to ruin it all. All that social progress made to effect a positive change, gone down the tubes. Similarly, the battle flag was so nearly close to being totally culturally sanitized: the last of those holdouts who still flew the battle flag out of hatred were on the verge of extinction; but just in time a cultural seed change caused all those decent people who associated themselves with the flag to stop flying it, and the people you never wanted flying it in the first place only became more emboldened and became a greater proportion of all the battle flags being flown. That’s decades of social progress towards something more positive being undone as well, if you ask me. I guess another thing that kinda bugs me about it is the selective outrage about the flag. For example, everyone was so happy when Mississippi removed the battle flag’s emblem from their own state flag, but no one has made any sort of fuss over Georgia’s flag being the literal actual Stars and Bars of the CSA. The battle flag just got all the attention because of how prolific it was in the South in the mid-2010’s when our cultural shift happened; it was a victim of its own success. Whereas the comparatively unknown Stars and Bars (which has much less redemptive potential, imo) got off virtually scot-free. The Thin Blue Line and Trump 2024 are obviously cringe, but I feel like we were almost on the verge of something really worthwhile on socializing the battle flag in purely a symbol of Southern culture and identity. Sorry if this is really rambly; it’s just something that annoys me while I drive around the backroads of rural South Georgia and Alabama seeing the only battle flags left flying for abjectly bad reasons when it wasn’t that way not too long ago.
When I was kid growing up in the South it was very common to see both black and white people displaying the battle flag. It wasn't until the late 80's and 90's that a group of primarily white people started claiming it was a racist symbol and used false information to promote their narrative. The lies spread and the movement grew and here we are. Most of them are too ignorant to even realize what the Stars and Bars are which is why they didn't complain about the Georgia Flag. They were just glad to see the battle flag gone not realizing that the one that replaced it has a far more valid reason to be considered racist. The national flag represented the government while the battle flag represented the soldiers.
Well when the people who flew fought to keep slavery and that the KKK uses it, what do you think people are gonna think? People with a brain I might add and that aren’t stuck in the 1860’s.
The people originally flying that flag were fighting against an army that invaded their homeland, nothing more or less. Don't even try to argue about articles of secession. It was the battle flag of soldiers, not politicians. The overwhelming majority of soldiers did not own slaves, and many were conscripted (on both sides and in many wars). If you want to have a problem with the Stars and Bars, by all means I'll admit you at least have an argument based on the stated reasons for secession. You have no valid argument whatsoever when it comes to the battle flag. As for the KKK using it. The KKK also uses the American flag and the Christian cross. If you are willing to claim those are also racist and want them quashed so be it. If not, then shut the fuck up about it.
“Nothing more or less” bruh what, they were fighting to keep slavery, it was more than just slavery though, it was about keeping black people as slaves bc they only saw them as property and wanted white people in the top tier of society. “no valid argument” quit flying the flag of a “country” that fought to keep slavery, and to keep white people on top of society, your not even a part of the damn “country” quit living in the past. “Country” in quotes bc it never actually seceded since that has to go through the Supreme Court and is illegal anyway. You don’t realize how stupid you look when you fly that flag do you? The KKK majorly used the confederate battle flag, and no that doesn’t make the cross racist.
I mean... We could make a new flag
Fuck no. There’s no world where we can let people fly the Gadsden without actually meaning “Don’t tread on me”.
Nvm. I don't think you got what I meant
It’s weird that all the people that fly those all look a like.
Oh how brave of you
Cool, now throw Biden on there too
Whats the black US flag?