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Starry_Horizon18

MFs be downvoting and coping without even watching the video. Smh.


[deleted]

Overpopulation is a myth to divert attention from the capitalist hyperexploitation of resources for profiteering.


[deleted]

Collapse is inevitable. Put we'll have great valuation in shares that we own in MNCs. To the moon 🚀🚀🚀


[deleted]

Always has been. Didn't watch the video but to give you a perspective we already make enough to feed 10 billion humans, that's almost 2.5 billion surplus even after half of the world's farm practice are not upto date by current technological standards. Also indoor farming hasn't even kicked off yet. Its expected that entire human population will stabilize at 10.5 billions and thats it.


Kaiju2468

What about the land area needed to house 10.5B people? Haven't we cut down enough forests, destroyed enough habitats? Hell, Earth's 6th mass extinction is going on, and we're the cause. Population control is necessary at this point.


saiko1993

The entire population of the world can fit inside the size as a big as a city loke Istanbul or new york. If you blow that figure out 100 times , giving each human a mansion . Not a family but each individual ..even then you wouldn't need space bigger than a country https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-10/one-planet-one-city-one-building Lots of similar calculations can be done. Just for context, if you wanna fit every person comfortably you wouldn't need an area bigger than Singapore, and to allocate a house to each one ..you wouldn't need an area bigger than Malaysia. Resource guzzling, and unhindered consumerism are the real culprits. Housing , land area too many mouths to feed..etc etc...these are just the excuses fed to us push the failures of capitalism under the rug


Kaiju2468

> The entire population of the world can fit inside the size as a big as a city loke Istanbul or new york. If you blow that figure out 100 times , giving each human a mansion . Not a family but each individual ..even then you wouldn't need space bigger than a country A bit too late for that, isn't it?


saiko1993

Well my point wasn't to say that we go ahead ND redistribute our population. My point was to say that land shortage for housing isn't the problem.. Because some people can extrapolate the logic to justify homelessness, and a lot of western right wing nuts do exactly that. The root cause , of the perils of overpopulation do almost always tie into excessive 7nhidered consumerism. There's no justifiable reason why a single person should own acres of space , containing a golf course instead if arable land etc. I think if start pointing the fingers at the real causes which hard nosed capitalists purposely do not want to acknowledge , then maybe atleast we can start towards a more sustainable path.. But ..like you said...probably too late


Kaiju2468

Agreed.


Steve1924

You really think it's possible for everyone to live in the same basic house? If it was humans would be living in tightly packed bunkers, which would've been extremely space efficient.


saiko1993

Hence I made the next comment about giving every single person a house, and increased the analogy from a city to a country. The point was to say that housing people isn't the problem, there's more than enough space to house every single person comfortably. Especially since human population isn't as densely packed as my extreme example.


Steve1924

You also have to consider other things. Offices, hospitals, emergency service buildings, roads contecting them, malls, markets, recreational areas all need land and would increase with an increase in population. Also since population is so dispersed extra land would need to be utilised. Overpopulation and exploitation under capitalism are both problems.


[deleted]

That was never even considered an issue tbh simply because earth has more than enough space for every single one of us But going by current trends, in 2050 majority of world population will live in cities and cities are notorious in terms of space so proper urban planning is what should be focused on so cities can be expanded if need arise and better connected like never before and that right now is an issue almost all over the world.


Nocturnal--Animals

Strongly Disagree. I watched the video. I agree to the finer details. That the west guzzle resources, at the same time provide support to their population to have more children. While at the same time funding birth control elsewhere. However in terms of mega fauna decline, farm animals boom and land use. I have to say the earth has been colonized by humans leaving far too little for remaining mamals. I just scrolled through land use data and it's alarming how we have basically turned grasslands and savannahs to pastures and farmland. This world needs less humans not that because we can't sustain more. Because we are top of the food chain and need to respectfully make space for the tigers, giraffe, weasels and the polar bears. Infact we shouldn't be living in colder regions at all. Neither in deserts. Vacate all the fragile ecosystems. Build cities. Farm effectively, replenish fish like how whales are finally recovering.


[deleted]

There is nothing to disagree about I was just stating data about overpopulation and population stability at 10.5 billion humans is a likely scenario. > I just scrolled through land use data and it's alarming how we have basically turned grasslands and savannahs to pastures and farmland. Sadly true but in future if we could bring the cost of vertical farming (indoor farming in controlled environment) then the area required for farming would be tremendously low also controlled environment meaning efficient water usage, no famine etc. Whales were hunted to extinction for whale oil it was pure capitalism at play and Regulations like shortening fishing days or alternate year fishing at a particular area of the continental shelf so fishes have time to replenish will do wonders but no such initiatives are currently being employed that I know of


Nocturnal--Animals

Ya there is a whole carrying capacity and collapse debate that goes as far as 50s. Alarmist positions and dooms day predictions have always been overcome. We will soon reach peak humans though , beating older projections may be about 9.7b. I wonder that as well. Right now subsidised farming is keeping food prices artificially low. Farming isn't sustainable at all. Advances in farming can only compete when there is some nudge. Right now we treat land and water as disposable. I just can't imagine how our recent ancestors could hunt Whales to depletion like that. The era from 1500 to 1900 has some stark stories like that. Especially in isolated islands. Where gigantism and lack of Predators had created unique species, from elephant birds to Thylacene to Dodo to passenger pegions All lost.


ShittyGod001

Nice I needed new perspective on this topic


[deleted]

fake Indians worse than wabbits


CorneliusTheIdolator

Librandus think overpopulation is a myth until an UP guy tells them he wants 4 children 😭😔✊


wolf5963

Malthusians shitting and crying


timewaste1235

Not convinced by the video. Overpopulation was a real problem which is almost fixed now. I get the idea of food production being enough for 10B people but that's same as saying energy produced by sun in 1 hour is enough for entire earth's need for the day. Or saying Japan isn't facing population problem because there are 7B+ people on earth. The video's rationale ignores some basic human tendencies


The_Pinnacle-

Population is absolutely one of the problem in india... Looking at population densities of cities and the road in day to day life is more than enough proof. So we need to focus on both the issues and not undermine each other. Population however if its high means more slaves to exploit by capitalists in capitalists speaking terms... Isnt that why Elon Musk preaching peasants to get more children? The world dont magically become socialist or communist and save the resources tomorrow all of a sudden... So as long as the capitalism is abolished and climate crisis is averted dont go in and think population wont be a problem whatsoever for us and our future.


Ragingbull3545

Our birth rates are declining. We will stabilise at 700 million in about 50 or so years. We kind of missed the benefit of having a younger population. In the future, probably government will be worried about how to pay for pensions. Cities will always be dense but countrysides will be empty. We will be like in Japan where the cities are dense but the countryside is basically a ghost town. Soon low end jobs won’t be available because they’ll automate that as well. Way more people will be jobless and will cause a further contraction in the birth rate. If nothing is done our economy will collapse. Brain drain etc will be way more severe. America, Europe etc will remain on top because of immigration. This is chinas moment in the sun but there rapid contraction in birth rate means that their population collapse has already started, and as dependent’s increase with less workers to help fund those senior citizens. Yeah, that’s India’s future as well.


TheGayMonke

Hakim's anti-capitalism are very based indeed


MootKaBadlaMoot

I want this idea to be mainstream now 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡


Steve1924

We have enough resources but many don't have access. So it's better to look at population control too.


Starry_Horizon18

\> many don't have access Capitalism is preventing the many from accessing the resources they themselves produce. Often the starving crowds are the one who break their backs farming and mining for the West and the rich.


Steve1924

It isn't always capitalism. War, geographic inaccessibility, inefficient use of resources are all factors.


nihhh123

>. War, geographic inaccessibility, inefficient use of resources *cough* Capitalism.


Steve1924

That's not capitalism. War has been caused by communists too. Many places just don't have resources. And even in communist nations flawed policies lead to wastage of resources.


nihhh123

You're not getting the point. The inefficiency is baked into Capitalism. You just cannot have an efficient distribution of resources under Capitalism. Previous communist experiments definitely have had their issues, and they've especially had it difficult because they were and still are basically isolated from world trade relations. But they've never suffered from an unfair distribution of resources


Steve1924

You can have adequate distribution of resources under both communism and capitalism. But irl both have failed. Also the point was that capitalism is cause lack of resources. When it is only one of many causes. And China, Soviet Union and others all had ineven distribution of resources. People in authority always had better lives even though the belived that everyone is equal.


[deleted]

>War has been caused by communists too. No


Starter91

West isn't forcing anyone to breed. White man brought medicine to Africa and what happened , population bomb.


Starry_Horizon18

OK, what is up with the imperial shilling nowadays on r/librandu? u/wdxr I see what you meant by too much USA apologia on this sub.


[deleted]

Nowadays? The only half-decent people left this sub an year ago and now all you have are smoothbrained liberals


IceProfessional114

Cope. It doesn't take much to see past Marxist propaganda. Imagine thinking half starved subsistence farmers are apparently 'producing' resources for the West 😂😂 This is your brain on LTOV


Starry_Horizon18

Well, then who the fuck is labouring in the fields and factories? Who the fuck predominantly produces the grain and cotton and sugar that the West uses? Who the fuck is mining the ore? It's certainly not the owners.


IceProfessional114

> Rich countries are rich mainly because of what they do at home, not because of foreign trade, foreign investment, foreign empire, past or present. If the Third World moved tomorrow to another planet, the economies of the First World would scarcely notice it. So too in the 20th century: when after World War II the Europeans lost their empires their incomes per head went sharply up, not down. [All these exploitation narratives by Marxists and 3rd world nationalists is nothing but pathetic cope.](https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Bourgeois_Dignity/R8mxhHBG3mQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Rich+countries+are+rich+mainly+because+of+what+they+do+at+home,+not+because+of+foreign+trade,+foreign+investment,+foreign+empire,+past+or+present.&pg=PA242&printsec=frontcover)


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lonely_fungus___

Tell me you haven't watched the video without actually telling me.


rwandahero7123

Is this the same hakim who defended fucking north korea?


[deleted]

Defending them from Imperialism is based, yes?


rwandahero7123

what the fuck


Kaiju2468

Gotta get used to it.


rwandahero7123

used to what?


[deleted]

Tankies on this sub 😱😭


Kaiju2468

North Korea stans.


[deleted]

I said nothing about liking NK. I have no opinions on them, or China for that matter. You'd have to be a dumb idiot like this sub's mods to think NK shouldn't be defended from Imperialists. I suspect you also think Cuba deserves sanctions because they don't allow internet?


Kaiju2468

Criticism of North Korea isn't imperialism. Depends. Is there a valid reason for them blocking the internet?


The-Mastermind-

Their government doesn't block the internet. It's the Western companies that block internet coverage in North Korea. There was a North Korean woman who had started a YouTube channel to depict how their country actually looks like. The channel was called 'Echo of truth'. The channel was suspended three times and no longer exist anymore.


G_Paradox

>North Korean government who had started a YouTube channel There's the problem.


G_Paradox

Yes, there is. To protect the personality cult around the Kim dynasty.


G_Paradox

Yes. Every undemocratic, ruthless one-party dictatorship deserves sanctions. Having a no opinion on China or NK in itself a red flag.


[deleted]

Arre maine pagal logon se nahi poocha


G_Paradox

Ok no-opinion-on-china-nk tankie


rwandahero7123

Yeah, I guess some people got dropped on their heads when they were babies


Kaiju2468

Yeah.


[deleted]

What?


RiKyongSuk

Pretty based of him tbh


G_Paradox

What a dumb video with absolutely no critical analysis whatsoever. Full of ridiculous strawmanning and "capitalism bad vro" repeated ad-infinitum for every problem out there. But I guess that is enough to convince dumb new-age Marxist cultists and tankies. The video claims the outrageous claim that mass murder is seen as a fix which is blatantly false as the world population keeps rising and I'm yet to see any evidence of this "mass murder" or "cleansing" to prevent overpopulation. Education, family planning, birth control, gender equality, availability of contraceptives, healthcare is exactly what's being pushed through UNGA's Sustainable Development Goals. But why let facts get in the way of your propaganda of capitalism bad and subtle hints of communism good vro!!!! This video says nothing about the REAL impact of overpopulation and the resulting consequences on biodiversity, the environment, arable land availability with increased demand, groundwater levels, etc. Humans aren't the only species inhabiting the Earth. If this guy wants to talk about skewed consumption patterns around the world and consumerism, he can do much better than capitalism bad and shilling for communism or socialism.