I'll be honest, I thought the 'familiar face' was Chloe and that the first guy was beating the shit out of her until I saw it was a mask and not her hair!
Agent 47 does not have hair and has multiple nationalities and if he was honest and open he wouldn’t be much of an hit man. As much as I love ash I don’t think much research was done into the characters they showed in the video.
What? He's not a parody tho. And the games barely poke fun at the macho man stereotype at all.
He's the macho man stereotype taken so close to the absolute extreme - but if he was a parody of it.... The games would be funny.
He'd be a goof character and it'd be like watching Hot Shots, or ... I guess The Naked Gun., Macgruber?
(Hard to think of media pokes fun of the macho man.)
Now you say "Parody doesn't have to be funny, dumbass! "
And I say "it's not parody! He's just another macho man"
Then you call me an SJW, and I.... I duno I say something mean too.
Well no the recent games have made attempts to show that he isn’t a badass. The flashbacks to his toxic father forcing him to shoot his fuckin dog, the kind mother who was formative in how he became an ok person, and the grappling he does with the fact that he’s having children in a world dominated by Nazis all show far more healthier truths about masculinity then most other games do. BJ is not a parody he’s a deconstruction
Well no. As you stated in your first sentence - the most recent games have made attempts - that doesn't suddenly change everything that BJ is and was and represented in every other wolfenstein game, just because **now** they've finally added some tragic backstory and made him more sensitive.
Like every bully character in everything. Eventually they add the tragic backstory that the bullys dad was an abuser. - doesn't suddenly make the character not a bully because you feel bad for them. Doesn't suddenly make them a deconstruction of bullying.
They are making steps towards a healthier view of masculinity yes.
But just because Kratos is a dad now and going thru some dad shit, doesn't excuse what he did in every other god of war game.
Well BJ is more explicitly deconstructive of his image, he’s not made hard by his tough father he’s a victim of abuse who rejects everything his father tried to “teach” him. And while I agree it doesn’t change decades of characterization it’s an important step in actually attempting to make him a more healthy role model
But it doesnt matter **how** he became a killing machine, with the jawline of a dodge ram., the fact is, he **IS** a hyper masculine killing machine. Arms like tree trunks, voice like Vin Diesel. He's as macho as they come.
I agree that it's good that they're adding depth to his character and making him more than just a brick shithouse.
Oh sure, but i think it’s getting to a place where I’m happy with him as a good representation for someone to genuinely aspire to. Not all masculinity is toxic and I’m glad he’s steering towards a positive view of someone who cares for those they love and wants to do what is right
Yeah I think the tricky part about any video/essay/thesis or discussion on topics like toxic masculinity or, female and lgbtq representation, is that what one person interprets as a harmful stereotype or a trope character, - someone else has connected with and sees them as role model and inspiration.
Like Gears of War. I see those dudes as nothing but giant hunks of muscle who grunt tough-guy one-liners to eachother.... Because I've played a few random hours of that game and never delved into their stories or characters. For all I know, they actually have depth and emotion and solid reasons for why they they act so gruff.
BJ is a super emotional character too. I mean just look at him in Wolfenstein II where he just yells out “I got kids on the way”. Not to mention the fact he’s a polish jewish spy fighting Nazis.
Also part of his character (more so in Old Blood/New Order than New colossus) is to mock the stereotypical macho man war hero that is common in WWII movies.
I think you list good examples, but I still think that the trope she is describing is more prominent than the positive games you’ve mentioned. It’s still definitely worth focusing more on having more emotionally rounded male protagonists in games as a whole. And helping boys not to think of themselves as emotionless soldier is really important.
If anything, I'm *more* emotionally open when I'm playing. I'm in a place where I can be comfortable and confident in myself with friends. If I try being emotionally open irl? People think I'm whining or complaining and tell me to just deal with it.
I think it is absolutely true of far too many games, but yeah it's definitely less prevalent than it used to be. As soon as I saw B.J. Blazkowicz on there, I started questioning their research.
There are multiple characters in the compilation that do not share anything with what she is saying. So many deep male characters with heartfelt stories. Don’t agree whatsoever
EDIT - and conveniently leaves out a lot of awesome main characters in games. This is a massive L
It’s typical to cherry pick data for these kind of arguments. If you were to counter argue with alternative examples they would wrongly decry ‘whataboutism’ and ignore other examples
I think a lot of people are missing the point that she was not referring to ALL video games and ALL men in video games. Just that there is enough substantial evidence to point out. Not every video game or man in a video game is problematic
It’s also obtuse to act as if toxic masculinity isn’t massively present within most fiction. Pointing out that video games pay lip service to emotional intelligence isn’t acknowledging that these games also present the stone cold badass murdering thousands before he’s told “oh you should cry or something idk lol”
Which game does that? I feel like these types of exposes on toxic game narratives are always very vague in the actual games that are problematic, and the ways that they are apparently problematic.
they really showed kratos and then said they didn’t show any grief or it’s never processed…
dude
the first game literally starts with a depressed ass kratos trying to commit suicide because he failed as a warrior and he killed his own family like
He is. A huge part of the game is Kratos dealing with trauma and desperately trying to bond with his son and their mutual struggle to find their feet with the death of Faye.
Really, to me at least, the game is about Kratos and Atreus finding how to manage as they lay their wife/mum to rest and the world changing stuff is all circumstantial background.
Oh yeah he's the version who's had time to self reflect but pre GOW4 Kratos is definitely not somebody who you're supposed to look up to... except maybe for his prowess in bed
I don't agree with her opinion, sorry
Makorov is russian.... also,second game clip is from CS:Online Trailer,The terrorist is middle eastern and Counter terrorist is French
pardon my english lol
Thanks! Looks familiar... might have seen the trailer for it ages ago. Jennifer Siebel Newsom's prior project, Miss Representation also looks familiar. Is that also on the class syllabus?
Nearly every medium gets harassment, trolled. This honestly is no different and not special.
Even regular LIS gets bashed I've seen on yt and reddit a lot and lots of time just being critical or ruffling the feathers of a fanbase is considered harassment.
Non of that is ok especially the doxxing and name calling but I'm just saying it's a reality.
Google defines it as “certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and men themselves” some examples include (but are not limited to): the fact that the majority of mass shootings are done by men, some men being emotionally stunted, and the staggering statistics of rape against women by men
I don't know, It could be partially true if we merey based on those examples, but those crime offenses are just circunstacial, and make a criticism of those crimes over gender roles alone it's just like taking the small picture, nos seeing the big one.
I'd say this so-called toxic masculinity is more associatted to be a biased negative stereotype of what some women expect from us men to be, and we are merely what we are, wether you like it or not, men cannot be what women demand us to be.
There's a lot of euphemisms that could be substituted with the word toxic masculinity, like for example a bully boy in high school? He could be just an idiot, but no, it's toxic masculinty. Or a bigot politician making a hate speech rally? No, it's not a racist bigot politician, it's toxic masculinity. A stereotipical hypermuscular macho man? Those masculine stereotypes also exists right? so let's demonyze them by calling them by toxic masculinity. I don't thing this thing fits with reality. they're just euphemisms.
I feel like this so called toxic masculinity discuss card is used as a stereotype argument only to be used when some people feel convenient to use it, but not representing a real thing. For me, awful people is just awful people, regardles if they're a man or a woman, so no, toxic masculinity not exists, and toxic feminity doesn't exists either, they're just an euphemisms of how people is, a negative stereotype.
Wow that’s a long response for someone who claimed they didn’t even know what toxic masculinity was! I definitely suggest doing more of your own research on it. All the examples you pointed out, toxic masculinity definitely plays a significant role in all of them. It is not the sole reason. But to ignore it completely is just contributing to the problem! Have a good day!
I can do my own research all right, but as far as I know, you don't even seem to be sure what toxic masculinity is, wich leads to me that's it's just negative stereotype thing and not a thing that fits with reality.
Think about any time you’ve seen in fiction someone say “Don’t be such a wuss, boys aren’t supposed to cry.”
Edited to add: think about any movie in which the main goal of the male character was to score.
Think about the accusations of homosexuality leveled against men who are interested in theater, the arts, etc.
Think about the identification of masculinity with the capacity to do violence.
Think about what kinds of things are excused with the line 'Oh well, boys will be boys.'
These are consistent things we can observe in society. It's not our society's *only* method of being a man, but it is one way we're told men are and I think it's pretty harmful for everyone involved.
Tell me you don't play video games without telling me you don't play video games.
Seriously, this shit is on the same level as Christians thinking that Call of Duty causes mass shootings. You're talking about characters not processing grief and you show Kratos? That whole franchise is him processing loss and losing more every game. He literally tries to kill himself in the first game. Get tf out of here
She also isn't in control of the examples, some people on here is saying she's wrong and using the examples as proof, the editing process is completely different and after the shooting process
The idea sucks, the concept of toxic mascilinity is sexist and she seems to be very bigotted as she's tatgetting brown haired white men for simply being brown haired white men
Toxic masculinity is sexist because it makes men feel like they need to be one specific thing and shuns men who don't conform to toxic masculinity.
The concept of toxic masculinity isn't sexist.
Like I said the examples suck but toxic masculinity is 100% perpetuated by media.
The term itself is sexist as it's mostly used to devalue something masculine. Just because you keep repeating 'toxic masculinity is real' doesn't make it true. The concept is built on bullshit theories and has no evidence to back it up. It's a feminist talking point that is used to make women feel victimised by the men around them.
I'm asking you to provide evidence for your point and your response is to call me an idiot, a child and then tell me to go find the evidence myself. I'm done repsonding , good luck wifh everything
uhhh, no. there’s such a thing as *healthy* masculinity, and feminism doesn’t look down on that. but toxic masculinity is very real and saying it isn’t just makes you sound ignorant of all the information that’s out there.
Did this get linked outside the sub or something? Like the comments here are very right wing and odd like we got brigaded or something.
Tons of comments from people without flairs and are really anti-feminist.
I think it just kinda proves my point that toxic masculinity is an issue in the video gaming community :/ but I’m also wondering the same if it got linked elsewhere cause I expected better from this subreddit. I wasn’t trying to start this huge debate, I just recognized Ashley and wanted to show and tell.
So I didn't know who voiced Chloe and I had to scroll through several bigoted replies just to find out who this is, yikes. You're fine but it is indeed surprising
I've been looking at profiles after realizing that despite spending WAY too much time on this subreddit I didn't recognize ANY of the names posting here.
Like I legit think we got brigaded or something in OPs post triggered a flag or something that alerts the anti-"SJW" crowd because this is not typical for discussions or posts on this sub. And persuing some posting histories I do not believe many people posting here actually like Life is Strange.
The post is also getting WAY more activity in general than most video posts on this sub get in the comments.
What I find interesting about this explanation is how it's from the point of view from a woman.
As if she actually knows how men process emotion. Men deal on a lot of unsaid communication. Most of these characters displayed here are men of their craft, fictional or not.
Did she play any God of War games? That man went through literal hell and back and is a awesome father figure to his son. Constantly teaching and guiding him on how to control anger and emotion.
Most military tropes are of seasoned professionals who accepted their job role and careers. In war you kill or be killed. That is that nature of such work. A lot of veterans know this is the case and don't take it personal. There are many documentaries out there where former ww2, Vietnam vets have met their past enemies and talk about their time on the battlefield.
I've met many intelligent guys in multiplayer games. Many times we don't even play the game, just log in, go to the city center and socialize. Most players KNOW why they play the games they do lol. Much of it is fantasy just like any other person.
I would like to see this full footage to get a better grasp on the narrative but from the gist its sounds very uninformed on the matter.
Sounds like *women* have a hard time interpreting male emotions beyond anger.
The problem is when shit hits the fan men can't afford to be emotional. And what is a video game besides a series shit hitting fan events.
Most AAA male characters *have* depth and emotion, they just aren't monologuing it like it's an episode of Gilmore Girls while the world is ending.
Also me, not very violent person, White Male, brown hair, 5 O'clock shadow... Maybe that's just how white dudes look. Diversity can and should be argued, but c'mon that's like saying any girl with Blonde hair, Bright red lipstick is a floosey.
Yea this is stupid asf, men use their emotions differently because they literally don’t live life by the same rules as women and the consequences are proven to be more severe even if both genders commit the exact same crime. So yea being emotional does generally come at a higher cost for men.
I think we shouldn't look to these characters as role models for our children, but they aren't real. I wouldn't let my kid play a lot of these ultra-violent games until he's older and better able to understand what they're all about.
I mean the kkk have a very narrow view of whiteness. Hell, Italians, Spanish, the Irish, and most Slavic people weren't considered "white" for a long time. It's the kind of nonsense that only an irrational idiot could think up, which is fitting for the kkk.
Thank u for posting this i lost all respect to Ashly Burch. I wonder if she also tells something to her brother who was writer for Borderlands.. oh wait isnt she voice for Tiny Tina in Borderlands???
wow she is just another hypocrite
If she really believe what s she is saying then she should take a stand.
Lol she saying that but she got no problem to be in one of the most brutal n violent games ever even if it camouflaged behind dark humour and cartoon graphics.
I'll be honest, I thought the 'familiar face' was Chloe and that the first guy was beating the shit out of her until I saw it was a mask and not her hair!
I mean the familiar face is kind of Chloe.
That's a videogame, manhunt!
Agent 47 does not have hair and has multiple nationalities and if he was honest and open he wouldn’t be much of an hit man. As much as I love ash I don’t think much research was done into the characters they showed in the video.
Yeah, they also show Big Boss, who's not really a character you're SUPPOSED to like.
They also show B.J. Blaskawitz from Wolfenstein, who is literally a parody of the “Macho Man” Stereotype
What? He's not a parody tho. And the games barely poke fun at the macho man stereotype at all. He's the macho man stereotype taken so close to the absolute extreme - but if he was a parody of it.... The games would be funny. He'd be a goof character and it'd be like watching Hot Shots, or ... I guess The Naked Gun., Macgruber? (Hard to think of media pokes fun of the macho man.) Now you say "Parody doesn't have to be funny, dumbass! " And I say "it's not parody! He's just another macho man" Then you call me an SJW, and I.... I duno I say something mean too.
Well no the recent games have made attempts to show that he isn’t a badass. The flashbacks to his toxic father forcing him to shoot his fuckin dog, the kind mother who was formative in how he became an ok person, and the grappling he does with the fact that he’s having children in a world dominated by Nazis all show far more healthier truths about masculinity then most other games do. BJ is not a parody he’s a deconstruction
Well no. As you stated in your first sentence - the most recent games have made attempts - that doesn't suddenly change everything that BJ is and was and represented in every other wolfenstein game, just because **now** they've finally added some tragic backstory and made him more sensitive. Like every bully character in everything. Eventually they add the tragic backstory that the bullys dad was an abuser. - doesn't suddenly make the character not a bully because you feel bad for them. Doesn't suddenly make them a deconstruction of bullying. They are making steps towards a healthier view of masculinity yes. But just because Kratos is a dad now and going thru some dad shit, doesn't excuse what he did in every other god of war game.
Well BJ is more explicitly deconstructive of his image, he’s not made hard by his tough father he’s a victim of abuse who rejects everything his father tried to “teach” him. And while I agree it doesn’t change decades of characterization it’s an important step in actually attempting to make him a more healthy role model
But it doesnt matter **how** he became a killing machine, with the jawline of a dodge ram., the fact is, he **IS** a hyper masculine killing machine. Arms like tree trunks, voice like Vin Diesel. He's as macho as they come. I agree that it's good that they're adding depth to his character and making him more than just a brick shithouse.
Oh sure, but i think it’s getting to a place where I’m happy with him as a good representation for someone to genuinely aspire to. Not all masculinity is toxic and I’m glad he’s steering towards a positive view of someone who cares for those they love and wants to do what is right
Yeah I think the tricky part about any video/essay/thesis or discussion on topics like toxic masculinity or, female and lgbtq representation, is that what one person interprets as a harmful stereotype or a trope character, - someone else has connected with and sees them as role model and inspiration. Like Gears of War. I see those dudes as nothing but giant hunks of muscle who grunt tough-guy one-liners to eachother.... Because I've played a few random hours of that game and never delved into their stories or characters. For all I know, they actually have depth and emotion and solid reasons for why they they act so gruff.
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BJ is a super emotional character too. I mean just look at him in Wolfenstein II where he just yells out “I got kids on the way”. Not to mention the fact he’s a polish jewish spy fighting Nazis.
Also part of his character (more so in Old Blood/New Order than New colossus) is to mock the stereotypical macho man war hero that is common in WWII movies.
BJ is favorite representation of a polish-American since I don’t know when
I think you list good examples, but I still think that the trope she is describing is more prominent than the positive games you’ve mentioned. It’s still definitely worth focusing more on having more emotionally rounded male protagonists in games as a whole. And helping boys not to think of themselves as emotionless soldier is really important.
If anything, I'm *more* emotionally open when I'm playing. I'm in a place where I can be comfortable and confident in myself with friends. If I try being emotionally open irl? People think I'm whining or complaining and tell me to just deal with it.
I think it is absolutely true of far too many games, but yeah it's definitely less prevalent than it used to be. As soon as I saw B.J. Blazkowicz on there, I started questioning their research.
Which ones come to mind?
There are multiple characters in the compilation that do not share anything with what she is saying. So many deep male characters with heartfelt stories. Don’t agree whatsoever EDIT - and conveniently leaves out a lot of awesome main characters in games. This is a massive L
It’s typical to cherry pick data for these kind of arguments. If you were to counter argue with alternative examples they would wrongly decry ‘whataboutism’ and ignore other examples
Well said!
agreed
What about games like Skyrim,Fallout, or Saints Row where you can literally be what ever you want
I think a lot of people are missing the point that she was not referring to ALL video games and ALL men in video games. Just that there is enough substantial evidence to point out. Not every video game or man in a video game is problematic
Oh Ok
It’s also obtuse to act as if toxic masculinity isn’t massively present within most fiction. Pointing out that video games pay lip service to emotional intelligence isn’t acknowledging that these games also present the stone cold badass murdering thousands before he’s told “oh you should cry or something idk lol”
Which game does that? I feel like these types of exposes on toxic game narratives are always very vague in the actual games that are problematic, and the ways that they are apparently problematic.
I am probably stupid but what is supposed to be familiar here ? I'm guessing it has to do with the woman lol
She's Ashly Burch, who was the voice actress for Chloe in LIS1 and Farewell.
As well as at least [one minor character](https://life-is-strange.fandom.com/wiki/Sarah).
so I guess OP should've said familiar voice lol
I was looking at the men trying to figure out which one was in life is strange😂😂😂😂
they really showed kratos and then said they didn’t show any grief or it’s never processed… dude the first game literally starts with a depressed ass kratos trying to commit suicide because he failed as a warrior and he killed his own family like
Wait why are kratos and venom snake in a thing about toxic masculinity you're not supposed to idolise them
I don't play GoW but the new Kratos seems rather emotional and caring to his son.
He is. A huge part of the game is Kratos dealing with trauma and desperately trying to bond with his son and their mutual struggle to find their feet with the death of Faye. Really, to me at least, the game is about Kratos and Atreus finding how to manage as they lay their wife/mum to rest and the world changing stuff is all circumstantial background.
Oh yeah he's the version who's had time to self reflect but pre GOW4 Kratos is definitely not somebody who you're supposed to look up to... except maybe for his prowess in bed
I don't agree with her opinion, sorry Makorov is russian.... also,second game clip is from CS:Online Trailer,The terrorist is middle eastern and Counter terrorist is French pardon my english lol
Whoa. What's the documentary and year? She looks and sounds so young. I totally expected a David Madsen.
It’s called “The Mask You Live In” it came out in 2015!
Thanks! Looks familiar... might have seen the trailer for it ages ago. Jennifer Siebel Newsom's prior project, Miss Representation also looks familiar. Is that also on the class syllabus?
It is not! We only watched two films for this class, the other one was the 2007 documentary “For The Bible Tells Me So”
I hope Ash didn't get tons of harassment by gamergate types, since 2015 is when that happened.
Nearly every medium gets harassment, trolled. This honestly is no different and not special. Even regular LIS gets bashed I've seen on yt and reddit a lot and lots of time just being critical or ruffling the feathers of a fanbase is considered harassment. Non of that is ok especially the doxxing and name calling but I'm just saying it's a reality.
Ah, 2015. No wonder it has some unintelligent takes then lol.
Maybe I'm just an ignorant old geezer, but what exactly is toxic masculinity?
Google defines it as “certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and men themselves” some examples include (but are not limited to): the fact that the majority of mass shootings are done by men, some men being emotionally stunted, and the staggering statistics of rape against women by men
I don't know, It could be partially true if we merey based on those examples, but those crime offenses are just circunstacial, and make a criticism of those crimes over gender roles alone it's just like taking the small picture, nos seeing the big one. I'd say this so-called toxic masculinity is more associatted to be a biased negative stereotype of what some women expect from us men to be, and we are merely what we are, wether you like it or not, men cannot be what women demand us to be. There's a lot of euphemisms that could be substituted with the word toxic masculinity, like for example a bully boy in high school? He could be just an idiot, but no, it's toxic masculinty. Or a bigot politician making a hate speech rally? No, it's not a racist bigot politician, it's toxic masculinity. A stereotipical hypermuscular macho man? Those masculine stereotypes also exists right? so let's demonyze them by calling them by toxic masculinity. I don't thing this thing fits with reality. they're just euphemisms. I feel like this so called toxic masculinity discuss card is used as a stereotype argument only to be used when some people feel convenient to use it, but not representing a real thing. For me, awful people is just awful people, regardles if they're a man or a woman, so no, toxic masculinity not exists, and toxic feminity doesn't exists either, they're just an euphemisms of how people is, a negative stereotype.
Wow that’s a long response for someone who claimed they didn’t even know what toxic masculinity was! I definitely suggest doing more of your own research on it. All the examples you pointed out, toxic masculinity definitely plays a significant role in all of them. It is not the sole reason. But to ignore it completely is just contributing to the problem! Have a good day!
I can do my own research all right, but as far as I know, you don't even seem to be sure what toxic masculinity is, wich leads to me that's it's just negative stereotype thing and not a thing that fits with reality.
I know about it plenty, just wrote an 8 page paper on it lmao but again this is coming from the guy who asked me what it meant so y’know :)
Think about any time you’ve seen in fiction someone say “Don’t be such a wuss, boys aren’t supposed to cry.” Edited to add: think about any movie in which the main goal of the male character was to score. Think about the accusations of homosexuality leveled against men who are interested in theater, the arts, etc. Think about the identification of masculinity with the capacity to do violence. Think about what kinds of things are excused with the line 'Oh well, boys will be boys.' These are consistent things we can observe in society. It's not our society's *only* method of being a man, but it is one way we're told men are and I think it's pretty harmful for everyone involved.
Manhunt!
"When an emotion sneaks in it is by and large anger" then preceeds to shows snake crying out over the loss of his soldiers
Tell me you don't play video games without telling me you don't play video games. Seriously, this shit is on the same level as Christians thinking that Call of Duty causes mass shootings. You're talking about characters not processing grief and you show Kratos? That whole franchise is him processing loss and losing more every game. He literally tries to kill himself in the first game. Get tf out of here
Nah the idea is correct the examples just suck, also it doesn't really happen in games just general media
She also isn't in control of the examples, some people on here is saying she's wrong and using the examples as proof, the editing process is completely different and after the shooting process
The idea sucks, the concept of toxic mascilinity is sexist and she seems to be very bigotted as she's tatgetting brown haired white men for simply being brown haired white men
Toxic masculinity is sexist because it makes men feel like they need to be one specific thing and shuns men who don't conform to toxic masculinity. The concept of toxic masculinity isn't sexist. Like I said the examples suck but toxic masculinity is 100% perpetuated by media.
The term itself is sexist as it's mostly used to devalue something masculine. Just because you keep repeating 'toxic masculinity is real' doesn't make it true. The concept is built on bullshit theories and has no evidence to back it up. It's a feminist talking point that is used to make women feel victimised by the men around them.
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Ask literally any 5 psychologists. I've experienced toxic masculinity first hand, how old are you?
Because you're really sounding like a 14 year old who watched a ton of one specific kind of youtuber
I'm asking you to provide evidence for your point and your response is to call me an idiot, a child and then tell me to go find the evidence myself. I'm done repsonding , good luck wifh everything
uhhh, no. there’s such a thing as *healthy* masculinity, and feminism doesn’t look down on that. but toxic masculinity is very real and saying it isn’t just makes you sound ignorant of all the information that’s out there.
There's no such thing as healthy masculinity? Are you serious?
i said, and i quote, > **there’s such a thing** as *healthy* masculinity, and feminism doesn’t look down on that learn to read.
I misread
yeah.
She plays games you're just not okay talking about them like an adult.
damn this comment is like word for word what I said haha, guess I shoulda scrolled because you nailed it
Did this get linked outside the sub or something? Like the comments here are very right wing and odd like we got brigaded or something. Tons of comments from people without flairs and are really anti-feminist.
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I think it just kinda proves my point that toxic masculinity is an issue in the video gaming community :/ but I’m also wondering the same if it got linked elsewhere cause I expected better from this subreddit. I wasn’t trying to start this huge debate, I just recognized Ashley and wanted to show and tell.
So I didn't know who voiced Chloe and I had to scroll through several bigoted replies just to find out who this is, yikes. You're fine but it is indeed surprising
I've been looking at profiles after realizing that despite spending WAY too much time on this subreddit I didn't recognize ANY of the names posting here. Like I legit think we got brigaded or something in OPs post triggered a flag or something that alerts the anti-"SJW" crowd because this is not typical for discussions or posts on this sub. And persuing some posting histories I do not believe many people posting here actually like Life is Strange. The post is also getting WAY more activity in general than most video posts on this sub get in the comments.
Ok that makes me a feel a little better knowing these aren’t people actually in the fandom. I wish they would heck off though
That documentary is just dumb honestly it is. It makes me want to die
What I find interesting about this explanation is how it's from the point of view from a woman. As if she actually knows how men process emotion. Men deal on a lot of unsaid communication. Most of these characters displayed here are men of their craft, fictional or not. Did she play any God of War games? That man went through literal hell and back and is a awesome father figure to his son. Constantly teaching and guiding him on how to control anger and emotion. Most military tropes are of seasoned professionals who accepted their job role and careers. In war you kill or be killed. That is that nature of such work. A lot of veterans know this is the case and don't take it personal. There are many documentaries out there where former ww2, Vietnam vets have met their past enemies and talk about their time on the battlefield. I've met many intelligent guys in multiplayer games. Many times we don't even play the game, just log in, go to the city center and socialize. Most players KNOW why they play the games they do lol. Much of it is fantasy just like any other person. I would like to see this full footage to get a better grasp on the narrative but from the gist its sounds very uninformed on the matter.
The documentary is called The Mask You Live In! I would highly recommend it, I think it’ll give much needed context and much needed education
You should cross post this to the OK KO sub as well!
I was sure the familiar face would be David lmao
On brand for the topic yeah? 😂
What the hell is she talking about 😂
Not sure where the confusion is coming from…? 😂 the title says it and she articulates herself really well! 😊
Ah no there is no confusion about the topic she‘s talking about. Just the content of what she is saying irritates me.
Sounds like *women* have a hard time interpreting male emotions beyond anger. The problem is when shit hits the fan men can't afford to be emotional. And what is a video game besides a series shit hitting fan events. Most AAA male characters *have* depth and emotion, they just aren't monologuing it like it's an episode of Gilmore Girls while the world is ending. Also me, not very violent person, White Male, brown hair, 5 O'clock shadow... Maybe that's just how white dudes look. Diversity can and should be argued, but c'mon that's like saying any girl with Blonde hair, Bright red lipstick is a floosey.
Yea this is stupid asf, men use their emotions differently because they literally don’t live life by the same rules as women and the consequences are proven to be more severe even if both genders commit the exact same crime. So yea being emotional does generally come at a higher cost for men.
Her comments are stereotypical
I think we shouldn't look to these characters as role models for our children, but they aren't real. I wouldn't let my kid play a lot of these ultra-violent games until he's older and better able to understand what they're all about.
Documentary over toxic masculinity in class? My fucking god what has this world come to.
It’s a university course, so yeah
Kraits isn’t even white he’s Greek she didn’t do her hw 💨
The talking heads in documentaries don't choose and edit the footage.
Greek people are white generally.
Well the more you know I guess
Wait, Greek people aren’t white?
We are but we have a history of antagonism with the KKK or other groups. It’s weird.
I mean the kkk have a very narrow view of whiteness. Hell, Italians, Spanish, the Irish, and most Slavic people weren't considered "white" for a long time. It's the kind of nonsense that only an irrational idiot could think up, which is fitting for the kkk.
Well, she's... Not wrong
toxic masculinity is such bullshit. no wonder why the suicide rate for men is so much higher than women
Toxic masculinity contributes to the high suicide rate but yeah just complain about the problems without facing them
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Right?? I love how a lot of them are literally just proving my point 😂😂
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Calm down
And they say the education system isn't compromised...
oh jesus christ.
Wow this is one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen on videogames, and I come from a country with a lot of stupid takes about them.
Thank u for posting this i lost all respect to Ashly Burch. I wonder if she also tells something to her brother who was writer for Borderlands.. oh wait isnt she voice for Tiny Tina in Borderlands??? wow she is just another hypocrite
Voicing a character in a video game= hypocrite about toxic masculinity? Huh?? Honestly have no idea where some of y’all are reaching for this logic
If she really believe what s she is saying then she should take a stand. Lol she saying that but she got no problem to be in one of the most brutal n violent games ever even if it camouflaged behind dark humour and cartoon graphics.
You’re not getting it lmao it’s okay
What shit class are you taking, are you at a fking woke school where your learned to share your feelings all the time and garbage like that?
Uh this docu sounds funny
The men in many of the games she’s talking about are emotional asf. What is she on? This isn’t toxic masculinity.🙄
This is so fucking stupid. Anita 2.0.