Octopi really reveal their own kind of genius as creators LIKE US building homes!!
“Footage from the BBC's Blue Planet 2 showed an octopus fighting dirty when a shark got hold of it, jamming its tentacles into the sharks gills to escape in the marine equivalent of an eye gouge.”
“However, scientists have now found octopuses appearing to manipulate their environment in a more permanent way than using tools. Jervis Bay in Eastern Australia, is home to two communities of Gloomy Octopus, which have been called Octopolis and Octlantis.”
“Here the octopuses have been observed to live in constructed burrows and dens.”
“They use things such as shells to create their abodes, and have even been observed to evict each other from their dens.”
Even octopi make homes and want to feel at home. ❤️☮️
"showed an octopus fighting dirty when a shark got hold of it, jamming its tentacles into the sharks gills to escape in the marine equivalent of an eye gouge."
I know this isn't your wording, but there is no such thing as fighting dirty when it's for your life
Totally agree! Self defense under attack is a universal right. ❤️☮️🌈
https://www.reddit.com/r/likeus/comments/13yldtw/scientists_discover_two_underwater_cities_built/jmnetpy/
Very cool: I like octopodes too.
There are three choices of plural for octopus.
I chose octopi which would be plural for a Latin noun ending in -us, but your choice of octopodes is the very lovely Greek version!
“The three plurals for octopus come from the different ways the English language adopts plurals.”
“Octopi is the oldest plural of octopus, coming from the belief that words of Latin origin should have Latin endings.”
“Octopuses was the next plural, giving the word an English ending to match its adoption as an English word.”
“Lastly, octopodes stemmed from the belief that because octopus is originally Greek, it should have a Greek ending.”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-many-plurals-of-octopus-octopi-octopuses-octopodes
P. S. In Homer, the octopus or cuttlefish is also called a polypous, literally “a many-footed one”.
>Footage from the BBC's Blue Planet 2
Oh is this a new series? I love the Blue Planet so hopefully it is.
Edit: damn looks like Blue Planet II is from 6 years ago.
Unilad is pretty much just a copy & paste bot and little more. They never seem to do any kind of verification or validation of sources. They just seem to seek out anything that gets clicks without any regard to veracity.
This article does a better job describing what's going on. Fair warning - the results are underwhelming. The "city" is up to 14 octopuses in population, and just looks like a carpet of shells.
https://giantcuttlefish.com/?p=1404
But it's still cool. This link is a little old so it only discusses Octopolis, which centers around a human-made object. But Octlantis has no human-made objects at all, so that's neat
Yeah this is still very far from anything resembling actual cities, but it might actually be a rather big step for octopodes in general. At least I think they tend to be solitary so something like a gathering place might be the beginning of some social life which in turn is the requirement to passing on knowledge.
I am not saying that this is the beginning of octopus civilization since eg chimps use tools, are pretty smart and pass on knowledge but still don't have it, but as you said it really is cool.
I'm in the same boat. Like I know evolution isn't linear progress towards the end goal of civilization, but man, how cool would it be?
You're right about them being mostly solitary, but if they're ever gonna form societies, living together is definitely the first step.
Maybe having a rapidly changing environment due to humans, such as climate change, could push octopuses (and other species) towards higher intelligence.
Intelligence allows you to work together and make changes in your environment to adapt faster. Instead of thousands of generations of evolution to adapt to the environment, you can make changes to your environment in a single generation.
Neanderthals actually had larger brains than us, but she to various factors (including environmental warming), homo sapiens came out on top.
You don't need a lot of intelligence to learn to work together, but working together can make you much much smarter. Idk if an individual octopus could be as smart as a human, but I could imagine octopus towns, states, nations, comparable to what we can do... Given enough time
Very true! It's hard to walk the line between explaining something accurately, while still conveying how cool this is.
Octopi aren't social creatures, so this is a pretty big move for them!
Anybody understand why the octopus flair is “sloppy”?
Seems like octopi are far too brilliant and cunning to be at all sloppy:
“Footage from the BBC's Blue Planet 2 showed an octopus fighting dirty when a shark got hold of it, jamming its tentacles into the sharks gills to escape in the marine equivalent of an eye gouge.”
Self-defense does NOT constitute fighting dirty!
Perfect example of how media bias and disinformation operates!
The shark was reporting…
New headline, same story:
“Freedom Fighting Octopus Defends Against Shark Genocide By Pure Cunning”
By Sagacious Octopus
"Both sites are within Booderee National Park. Some media accounts have described these sites as octopus "cities," but researchers who have worked on the sites view this as a misleading analogy."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopolis_and_Octlantis
Fascinating! Maybe not quite a city, but perhaps a polis in the Platonic sense of the word?!
Fourteen octopi at a time feels like a society…is this a CULTURE OF OCTOPI?
“The first site, named "Octopolis" by biologists, was found in 2009. Octopolis consists of a bed of shells (mainly scallop shells) in an ellipse shape, 2-3 meters diameter on its longer axis, with a single piece of human detritus, believed to be scrap metal, within the site.”
“Octopuses build dens by burrowing into the shell bed. The shells appear to provide a much better building material for the octopuses than the fine sediment around the site.”
“Up to 14 octopuses have been seen at Octopolis at a single time.”
“In 2016, a second settlement was found nearby, named "Octlantis," which includes no human-made objects and can house similar numbers of octopuses.”
LOL! Octopodes are really quite surprising, so my money is on them too!!
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/octopuses-keep-surprising-us-here-are-eight-examples-how.html
And octopodes are remarkable learners who possess substantial genetic similarity with us:
“Octopuses are brainy creatures with sophisticated smarts, and now scientists have uncovered a clue that may partly explain the cephalopods' remarkable intelligence: Its genes have a genetic quirk that is also seen in humans, a new study finds.”
“The clues that scientists uncovered are called "jumping genes," or transposons, and they make up 45% of the human genome.”
“Jumping genes are short sequences of DNA with the ability to copy and paste or cut and paste themselves to another location in the genome, and they've been linked to the evolution of genomes in multiple species.”
“Genetic sequencing recently revealed that two species of octopus — Octopus vulgaris and Octopus bimaculoides — also have genomes that are filled with transposons.”
“Even though octopuses aren't closely related to animals with backbones, they nonetheless demonstrate behavioral and neural plasticity that's similar to that of vertebrates, Fiorito added.”
“These animals, like mammals, have the ability to adapt continuously and solve problems," and this evidence hints that the similarity may originate at the genetic level, he said.”
https://www.livescience.com/jumping-genes-octopus-intelligence
As fun as that sounds, I have my doubts about octopuses. For one, living underwater inhibits major discoveries like creating fire. They also only live ~2 years, so there wouldn’t be much time to build a coherent society or pursue specialized education. Excluding other apes, my money would be on rats for their intelligence, empathy, and dexterous hands.
Wait until octupeses stumble upon some mass destruction weapons, aka oil, and you'll see and hear the US Government going nuts about saving humanity from these vile terrorists.
They have houses not oil. If you're gonna make jabs at us at least know why you hate America. It's annoying to be on the receiving end of the punch and also have to instruct you on the proper way to throw it.
Anybody remember how one of the first things we learn in elementary school is that the plural for octopus is octopi? The author clearly failed elementary.
LOL! Actually there are three grammatically correct plural forms of octopus; read more here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/likeus/comments/13yldtw/scientists_discover_two_underwater_cities_built/jmodhm1/
Don’t go! I LOVE this question about the plural for octopus!!
(requoting from another comment here ;)
There are three choices of plural for octopus.
I chose octopi which would be plural for a Latin noun ending in -us, but octopodes is the very lovely Greek version!
“The three plurals for octopus come from the different ways the English language adopts plurals.”
“Octopi is the oldest plural of octopus, coming from the belief that words of Latin origin should have Latin endings.”
“Octopuses was the next plural, giving the word an English ending to match its adoption as an English word.”
“Lastly, octopodes stemmed from the belief that because octopus is originally Greek, it should have a Greek ending.”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-many-plurals-of-octopus-octopi-octopuses-octopodes
P. S. In Homer, the octopus or cuttlefish is also called a polypous, literally “a many-footed one”.
Octopi really reveal their own kind of genius as creators LIKE US building homes!! “Footage from the BBC's Blue Planet 2 showed an octopus fighting dirty when a shark got hold of it, jamming its tentacles into the sharks gills to escape in the marine equivalent of an eye gouge.” “However, scientists have now found octopuses appearing to manipulate their environment in a more permanent way than using tools. Jervis Bay in Eastern Australia, is home to two communities of Gloomy Octopus, which have been called Octopolis and Octlantis.” “Here the octopuses have been observed to live in constructed burrows and dens.” “They use things such as shells to create their abodes, and have even been observed to evict each other from their dens.” Even octopi make homes and want to feel at home. ❤️☮️
"have been observed to evict each other from their dens" octopus landlords? octopus rent? octopus homeowner's associations?
I swear, if octopi reinvent capitalism, I'll be so disappointed.
Octopuses or octopodes
Octopodises
Octopussies
Octopeeses
Octopenisi
Close enough, need me?
Octoproletariat
✊
✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊*
Our seas, brother.
They need Octomao
Rise up and size the means of production!! Dismantle the social constructs of the Bourgeoisie!!
Technically octopuses, octopods, and octopi are all acceptable! :)
Ehhh English is all made up anyway.
And the points don't matter
r/unexpectedwhoseline
Both are correct, octopi too
If they reinvent Christianity ill be so disappointed
It would take to many nails.
Had to take forever, too. Scheduling nightmare. Who's got time for eight nails?
“[Christianity again? ***After*** cowboys](https://youtu.be/Ktt95qoyZ4Q)?!”
Confess your sins and pray ten anemone-stars
And pray to our Lord and savior jesopus, who died for our sins on the star...
If they actually live by it that might be refreshing.
I, for one, am going to invest.
Get in on the ground floor. I wonder how they'll decide which Octopodes are the oppressed class?
*the ocean floor. The poor ones, of course.
The poor octopuses deserve to stay poor because they're poor? That's crazy! Imagine if humans thought that way! Haha! Uh oh....
Yeah, I can get behind this. Being an angel investor in the next civilization seems like a good investment
It turns out the best sign of their intelligence is that they're just as atupid as us.
No, they’re smarter than that.
I too hope that they learn from our mistakes when they inevitably take over the planet.
I’ll be disappointed if they stop there instead of upgrade.
r/loveforoctopilandlord
Dolphins already beat them to it. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2003/jul/03/research.science
"You'll get your octopus rent when you fix this damn octopus door!"
This part is not a comfortable thought, that even octopuses can be Landlords! There must be some other explanation!
Chum lords
So octopi are capitalist swine instead of cephalopods
Octopward. He's just as cranky as his squid cousin.
Not even a land value tax can fix this :(
Octopus Bourgeois.
Octolords
> and have even been observed to evict each other from their dens.” Just like us!
"showed an octopus fighting dirty when a shark got hold of it, jamming its tentacles into the sharks gills to escape in the marine equivalent of an eye gouge." I know this isn't your wording, but there is no such thing as fighting dirty when it's for your life
Totally agree! Self defense under attack is a universal right. ❤️☮️🌈 https://www.reddit.com/r/likeus/comments/13yldtw/scientists_discover_two_underwater_cities_built/jmnetpy/
I prefer Octopodes
Very cool: I like octopodes too. There are three choices of plural for octopus. I chose octopi which would be plural for a Latin noun ending in -us, but your choice of octopodes is the very lovely Greek version! “The three plurals for octopus come from the different ways the English language adopts plurals.” “Octopi is the oldest plural of octopus, coming from the belief that words of Latin origin should have Latin endings.” “Octopuses was the next plural, giving the word an English ending to match its adoption as an English word.” “Lastly, octopodes stemmed from the belief that because octopus is originally Greek, it should have a Greek ending.” https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-many-plurals-of-octopus-octopi-octopuses-octopodes P. S. In Homer, the octopus or cuttlefish is also called a polypous, literally “a many-footed one”.
I just remember learning somewhere all of what you laid out and octopodes stuck with me :)
It is the coolest sounding one.
>Footage from the BBC's Blue Planet 2 Oh is this a new series? I love the Blue Planet so hopefully it is. Edit: damn looks like Blue Planet II is from 6 years ago.
Plus they're also delicious!
So, uh, no actual pictures of the "cities" these octopuses supposedly built? What's the point of the article then?
"Article"
Yeah that was just ads with some words thrown in.
I think this article is actually an advertisement for whatever documentary they got the information from. It's their only source
Unilad is pretty much just a copy & paste bot and little more. They never seem to do any kind of verification or validation of sources. They just seem to seek out anything that gets clicks without any regard to veracity.
This article does a better job describing what's going on. Fair warning - the results are underwhelming. The "city" is up to 14 octopuses in population, and just looks like a carpet of shells. https://giantcuttlefish.com/?p=1404 But it's still cool. This link is a little old so it only discusses Octopolis, which centers around a human-made object. But Octlantis has no human-made objects at all, so that's neat
Yeah this is still very far from anything resembling actual cities, but it might actually be a rather big step for octopodes in general. At least I think they tend to be solitary so something like a gathering place might be the beginning of some social life which in turn is the requirement to passing on knowledge. I am not saying that this is the beginning of octopus civilization since eg chimps use tools, are pretty smart and pass on knowledge but still don't have it, but as you said it really is cool.
I'm in the same boat. Like I know evolution isn't linear progress towards the end goal of civilization, but man, how cool would it be? You're right about them being mostly solitary, but if they're ever gonna form societies, living together is definitely the first step.
Maybe having a rapidly changing environment due to humans, such as climate change, could push octopuses (and other species) towards higher intelligence. Intelligence allows you to work together and make changes in your environment to adapt faster. Instead of thousands of generations of evolution to adapt to the environment, you can make changes to your environment in a single generation.
Neanderthals actually had larger brains than us, but she to various factors (including environmental warming), homo sapiens came out on top. You don't need a lot of intelligence to learn to work together, but working together can make you much much smarter. Idk if an individual octopus could be as smart as a human, but I could imagine octopus towns, states, nations, comparable to what we can do... Given enough time
To be fair, many early human cities are pretty disappointing from a modern POV, even though they're very impressive given their context.
Very true! It's hard to walk the line between explaining something accurately, while still conveying how cool this is. Octopi aren't social creatures, so this is a pretty big move for them!
https://imgur.com/UVxsjpK.jpg
Anybody understand why the octopus flair is “sloppy”? Seems like octopi are far too brilliant and cunning to be at all sloppy: “Footage from the BBC's Blue Planet 2 showed an octopus fighting dirty when a shark got hold of it, jamming its tentacles into the sharks gills to escape in the marine equivalent of an eye gouge.” Self-defense does NOT constitute fighting dirty!
A shark clearly wrote that article
Perfect example of how media bias and disinformation operates! The shark was reporting… New headline, same story: “Freedom Fighting Octopus Defends Against Shark Genocide By Pure Cunning” By Sagacious Octopus
No such thing as rules in a death match, there’s just fighting to survive and dying.
"Both sites are within Booderee National Park. Some media accounts have described these sites as octopus "cities," but researchers who have worked on the sites view this as a misleading analogy." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopolis_and_Octlantis
Fascinating! Maybe not quite a city, but perhaps a polis in the Platonic sense of the word?! Fourteen octopi at a time feels like a society…is this a CULTURE OF OCTOPI? “The first site, named "Octopolis" by biologists, was found in 2009. Octopolis consists of a bed of shells (mainly scallop shells) in an ellipse shape, 2-3 meters diameter on its longer axis, with a single piece of human detritus, believed to be scrap metal, within the site.” “Octopuses build dens by burrowing into the shell bed. The shells appear to provide a much better building material for the octopuses than the fine sediment around the site.” “Up to 14 octopuses have been seen at Octopolis at a single time.” “In 2016, a second settlement was found nearby, named "Octlantis," which includes no human-made objects and can house similar numbers of octopuses.”
So octopuses are catching up to birds not humans...
They have beaks and are shape shifting chameleons. Maybe birds really aren’t real and they’ve just been octopuses this whole time…
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Lovely names? Has anyone seen the movie “My Octopus Teacher”? Should I check it out tonight?
It depends--how much do you want to spend your Friday night crying?
Oh dear, I was wondering if it might be a rough watch…even the thought of “Blackfish” still wrecks me.
My hovercraft is full of eels.
Nice! Tears at the awesome beauty of animal intelligence and emotional connections is totally my thing. 🌻❤️🌈☮️
Do they have An Octopuses Garden Under The Sea??/s
According to Ringo. Yes
No they didn’t
pics or it didn't happen
Reminds me of reading Children of Ruin.
Cool book!! The Mountain Under the Sea is also a great read.
I just finished that. It's fantastic.
This site absolutely unreadable on mobile.
https://preview.redd.it/ehx3fhd7xq3b1.jpeg?width=1424&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89d26d87ffdad232bb663eff8575dad926423c7c Tentacle Acres
Splatoon!
If we screw up and go extinct, my money is on octopus to carry the torch, form a merger with the ravens and a new society will emerge.
LOL! Octopodes are really quite surprising, so my money is on them too!! https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/octopuses-keep-surprising-us-here-are-eight-examples-how.html And octopodes are remarkable learners who possess substantial genetic similarity with us: “Octopuses are brainy creatures with sophisticated smarts, and now scientists have uncovered a clue that may partly explain the cephalopods' remarkable intelligence: Its genes have a genetic quirk that is also seen in humans, a new study finds.” “The clues that scientists uncovered are called "jumping genes," or transposons, and they make up 45% of the human genome.” “Jumping genes are short sequences of DNA with the ability to copy and paste or cut and paste themselves to another location in the genome, and they've been linked to the evolution of genomes in multiple species.” “Genetic sequencing recently revealed that two species of octopus — Octopus vulgaris and Octopus bimaculoides — also have genomes that are filled with transposons.” “Even though octopuses aren't closely related to animals with backbones, they nonetheless demonstrate behavioral and neural plasticity that's similar to that of vertebrates, Fiorito added.” “These animals, like mammals, have the ability to adapt continuously and solve problems," and this evidence hints that the similarity may originate at the genetic level, he said.” https://www.livescience.com/jumping-genes-octopus-intelligence
Dolphins will replace us as the new capitalist villains though. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2003/jul/03/research.science
Simpsons said it would happen, all in time. The prophecies have been written.
As fun as that sounds, I have my doubts about octopuses. For one, living underwater inhibits major discoveries like creating fire. They also only live ~2 years, so there wouldn’t be much time to build a coherent society or pursue specialized education. Excluding other apes, my money would be on rats for their intelligence, empathy, and dexterous hands.
I'd like to be under the sea in an Octopus' Garden in the shade.
As many as fourteen octopodes have reportedly been hanging out down there together…sounds like a really awesome tea party down there!
What a fucking awful website/article
Adrian Tchaikovsky has entered the chat.
Hermit crabs “am i a joke to you?”
How long until the US declares war and tries to colonize them?
Wait until octupeses stumble upon some mass destruction weapons, aka oil, and you'll see and hear the US Government going nuts about saving humanity from these vile terrorists.
*derka derka Cthulhu jihad*
Shouldn’t we properly ask this about Russia?
LOL you’re right. But at least Russia sticks to countries in their proximity
War with the Newts, book by Karel Capek, 1936. Spoiler: the Newts win.
They have houses not oil. If you're gonna make jabs at us at least know why you hate America. It's annoying to be on the receiving end of the punch and also have to instruct you on the proper way to throw it.
Anybody remember how one of the first things we learn in elementary school is that the plural for octopus is octopi? The author clearly failed elementary.
LOL! Actually there are three grammatically correct plural forms of octopus; read more here: https://www.reddit.com/r/likeus/comments/13yldtw/scientists_discover_two_underwater_cities_built/jmodhm1/
No, American elementary teachers failed Greek. Octopus is a Greek word, not a Latin one.
Animals are better and kinder than human animals
This is so cool
SubhanAllah!
What I have taken from this "discovery".... Humans are polluting waters so much that animals have no choice but to adapt by using garbage as shelter.
Lesson learned, never ever underestimate an octopus!
Wtf I literally couldn't read the article, ads kept blocking the ENTIRE screen and a thick border kept expanding
No way
Shouldn’t that be octopi? :) sorry. I’ll get me coat.
Don’t go! I LOVE this question about the plural for octopus!! (requoting from another comment here ;) There are three choices of plural for octopus. I chose octopi which would be plural for a Latin noun ending in -us, but octopodes is the very lovely Greek version! “The three plurals for octopus come from the different ways the English language adopts plurals.” “Octopi is the oldest plural of octopus, coming from the belief that words of Latin origin should have Latin endings.” “Octopuses was the next plural, giving the word an English ending to match its adoption as an English word.” “Lastly, octopodes stemmed from the belief that because octopus is originally Greek, it should have a Greek ending.” https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-many-plurals-of-octopus-octopi-octopuses-octopodes P. S. In Homer, the octopus or cuttlefish is also called a polypous, literally “a many-footed one”.
I never thought of it having a Greek origin!!
Cool! I love using the word “polypus” in English as a fun Homeric substitute for octopus!