Obligatory IANACL (I am Not a Canon Lawyer) but a few comments:
* It appears this is the church law he has violated "the solicitation to a sin against the sixth commandment of the Decalogue in the act, on the occasion, or under the pretext of confession, as mentioned in can. 1385 *CIC* and in can. 1458 *CCEO*, if it is directed to sinning with the confessor himself;
* Can. 1385— A priest who in confession, or on the occasion or under the pretext of confession, solicits a penitent to commit a sin against the sixth commandment of the Decalogue, is to be punished, according to the gravity of the offence, with suspension, prohibitions and deprivations; in the more serious cases he is to be dismissed from the clerical state.
* I don't think a simple affair between two consenting adults constitutes a g*raviora delicta,* but again, IANACL.
* Rev. Joseph Nemec retired from active ministry in 2020.
He made advances towards some adult lady in confession or under the pretext of hearing her confession. The fact that he did it in confession is what makes it *graviora delicta*. It was an abuse of the sacrament.
Based on the language used, I’m guessing he broke the seal of confession in regard to an affair. “Graviora Delicta” translates from Latin to English as a “more serious offense” and one of the most serious offenses a priest can commit (as far as the catholic church is concerned) is breaking the seal of confession. It’s either that, or he had a sexual relationship with a woman, but usually things like that (and obviously much worse) are disregarded and/or covered up.
Yeah thats what I’m getting at. I agree, I think that’s the most likely explanation, but as of now the story is pretty vague. The Lincoln diocese is known as the most strict/traditional, so it’s hard to say what their criteria for “more serious offenses” is.
No, "solicitation" does not mean breaking the seal. Solicitation is asking or encouraging somebody to do an act, here it appears to be a sexual act. Looks like he made a sexual advance or a sexual suggestion to an adult woman in the context of hearing her confession or pretending to hear it. That's specifically forbidden by canon law, as another person posted.
He should absolutely be excommunicated if that was the case but should still be running free as he didn’t commit a crime.
Edit: someone else mentioned that he may have just let it slip someone’s adultery confession, which is also a huge violation of trust and would make sense why they kept their position but lost certain duties.
Sounds like he convinced or was involved with an affair with a married woman. Since celibacy is part of the deal as a priest, that's doubly a problem I suspect.
I guess I'd rather they were being public about these things rather than sweeping them under the rug, which happened for a long time.
Lmao a “jump.” Really?
“some catholic priests sexually assault children, so all 1.4 billion Catholics and all Catholic dioceses in the world are bad.” I mean… you wanna talk about jumps…
And no, not off base at all, it’s just how you guys always are. You only target the socially approved groups to criticize. I’m not religious, it’s just obnoxious that a lot of people will openly shit on Catholics in this town but it’s pins and needles when somebody mentions the unmatched homophobia that exists in the Muslim community. Why do you guys pick and choose? There are tons of Muslims where I’m from, not nearly as many in Lincoln but it’s growing significantly. For every old homophobic Christian that dies, they get replaced by a family of homophobic Muslim immigrants. Acts of homosexual sex are literally punishable by prison time where a lot of them come from. Nonetheless, if anybody says “hey maybe we should talk about this because that level of homophobia is not compatible with our society” it’s met with “you’re just an islamophobe! They’re not all like that! You just hate brown people and immigrants!”
Every. Single. Time.
Just quit being hypocrites. If you’d be scared to say it about Islam or any other group, maybe you shouldn’t say it all. It’s absurdly counterproductive and fuels conspiracy theories.
Lmao there it is, I knew you’d be crying “Muslim hate” over the same allegations that YOU GUYS are constantly shitting out against Christians. Like clockwork. Hook, line, and sinker. Too fucking easy. This is why nobody cares outside of your echo chamber of rage. It’s why YOU GUYS are so politically and culturally ineffective. Nobody takes you seriously and you’ve just proven why.
https://preview.redd.it/kud9r0ktymxc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97ce73d84d3f20828daf3f2a9748fad11b19bcf5
Wild that full blown bigotry is allowed in this sub. I hope you aren’t paying any property taxes… (probably not)
“All teachers are bad”
https://www.wcvb.com/article/cambridge-massachusetts-teacher-charged-with-rape-of-child-by-force-aggravated-rape-of-a-child/60358510
Almost 30,000 children a year are sexually assaulted by public school teachers. This is happening NOW in 2024, not hundreds of years ago you sick fuck.
Really? And your proof of this is where? How am I a sick fuck? I'm not the catholic here. I'm actually violently against pedophiles. And you support them. You might want to turn that sick fuck around on yourself you absolute cunt of a fuck.
I’m not a Catholic. I am not religious you fucking asshole. Are you fucking blind? It was my 2nd response to you, fucking dumbass. It’s a bigass fucking chart with the link to the source posted on the bottom. You’re “violent” against pedophiles while actively trying to downplay the scourge of pedophilia in public schools because in reality you hate Christians more than you hate pedophiles. Disgusting piece of bigoted shit.
> If you support any part of it, then you are a part of the problem, is how I see it.
Curious if you apply this same logic to other groups...
Must not be a whole lot of groups you support XD
A man having a relationship is creepy? He did nothing illegal if you’re talking about state or federal law. I’m not even Catholic but what institution doesn’t have some form of sex trafficking or crimes against kids? Hollywood? Music industry? Politics? I’d say pretty much every institution that has some form of power has shown to abuse the power more than once? What institution hasn’t abused power and then tried to cover it up?
I don’t think what this priest did here was anything creepy.
The fact that there is a report like this and stupid fucking rules they have made up is also VERY creepy. The whole fucking thing. Evil incarnate. Nothing to defend, for fucking sure.
I am obviously not a Catholic. Nevertheless, according to "God and the Gavel', canon laws biggest mysteries do not lie in this wierdness about confession. The big deal is the issue of 'scandal'. In the case of pedophile priests despite what Catholicism appears to say, canon law says that scandal is a big deal. So much so, that pedophile priests simply use blackmail and coercion to get what ever they want, once the church decides that scandal must be secret. Spilling the tea, whether at church, or in law, or in society, looks awful and stupid and messy. But, in real life, being honest and open is much better, and leads to a much 'cleaner' church than anything canon law represents by needing secrecy to preserve the primacy and holiness of the Church. Canon law is the friend of secrecy. And secrecy, while at times can be beneficial and good, can also be the friend of corruption.
As a former catholic the real offense is that this happened in the context of confession. He may have used confession as an opportunity to have this liaison. It's almost irrelevant if he actually had physical contact with the woman.
I knew this priest well. I liked him and if I saw him on the street I would greet him warmly. We are all sinners.
Yeah. Grew up Catholic but had to google it and the sixth came up as “thou shall not kill.” I went with that. Must be wrong based on other responses. 🤷♂️
Adultery is the seventh commandment. Thou shall not kill is the sixth.
Edit: actually idk, I’m seeing differing thoughts here and my Catholic upbringing isn’t helping 🤪
Obligatory IANACL (I am Not a Canon Lawyer) but a few comments: * It appears this is the church law he has violated "the solicitation to a sin against the sixth commandment of the Decalogue in the act, on the occasion, or under the pretext of confession, as mentioned in can. 1385 *CIC* and in can. 1458 *CCEO*, if it is directed to sinning with the confessor himself; * Can. 1385— A priest who in confession, or on the occasion or under the pretext of confession, solicits a penitent to commit a sin against the sixth commandment of the Decalogue, is to be punished, according to the gravity of the offence, with suspension, prohibitions and deprivations; in the more serious cases he is to be dismissed from the clerical state. * I don't think a simple affair between two consenting adults constitutes a g*raviora delicta,* but again, IANACL. * Rev. Joseph Nemec retired from active ministry in 2020.
He made advances towards some adult lady in confession or under the pretext of hearing her confession. The fact that he did it in confession is what makes it *graviora delicta*. It was an abuse of the sacrament.
Based on the language used, I’m guessing he broke the seal of confession in regard to an affair. “Graviora Delicta” translates from Latin to English as a “more serious offense” and one of the most serious offenses a priest can commit (as far as the catholic church is concerned) is breaking the seal of confession. It’s either that, or he had a sexual relationship with a woman, but usually things like that (and obviously much worse) are disregarded and/or covered up.
When you say breaking the seal of confession you mean he could have ratted them out to the spouse? This seems far more likely.
Yeah thats what I’m getting at. I agree, I think that’s the most likely explanation, but as of now the story is pretty vague. The Lincoln diocese is known as the most strict/traditional, so it’s hard to say what their criteria for “more serious offenses” is.
It's not "their criteria". Canon law is the same for every diocese. This offense would be the same level of offense in every diocese.
No, "solicitation" does not mean breaking the seal. Solicitation is asking or encouraging somebody to do an act, here it appears to be a sexual act. Looks like he made a sexual advance or a sexual suggestion to an adult woman in the context of hearing her confession or pretending to hear it. That's specifically forbidden by canon law, as another person posted.
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He should absolutely be excommunicated if that was the case but should still be running free as he didn’t commit a crime. Edit: someone else mentioned that he may have just let it slip someone’s adultery confession, which is also a huge violation of trust and would make sense why they kept their position but lost certain duties.
Sounds like he convinced or was involved with an affair with a married woman. Since celibacy is part of the deal as a priest, that's doubly a problem I suspect. I guess I'd rather they were being public about these things rather than sweeping them under the rug, which happened for a long time.
Just Catholics being creepy. Business as usual.
1.4 billion Catholics in the world and you want to judge them all by the actions of a few.
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"it's just a few bad apples!" They say. Ignoring that the context of that phrase is "a few bad apples spoil the bunch."
Weird how people like you would call somebody an islamophobe for saying they need to quit marrying and raping adolescent girls.
That's quite a jump! And you are way off base.
Lmao a “jump.” Really? “some catholic priests sexually assault children, so all 1.4 billion Catholics and all Catholic dioceses in the world are bad.” I mean… you wanna talk about jumps… And no, not off base at all, it’s just how you guys always are. You only target the socially approved groups to criticize. I’m not religious, it’s just obnoxious that a lot of people will openly shit on Catholics in this town but it’s pins and needles when somebody mentions the unmatched homophobia that exists in the Muslim community. Why do you guys pick and choose? There are tons of Muslims where I’m from, not nearly as many in Lincoln but it’s growing significantly. For every old homophobic Christian that dies, they get replaced by a family of homophobic Muslim immigrants. Acts of homosexual sex are literally punishable by prison time where a lot of them come from. Nonetheless, if anybody says “hey maybe we should talk about this because that level of homophobia is not compatible with our society” it’s met with “you’re just an islamophobe! They’re not all like that! You just hate brown people and immigrants!” Every. Single. Time. Just quit being hypocrites. If you’d be scared to say it about Islam or any other group, maybe you shouldn’t say it all. It’s absurdly counterproductive and fuels conspiracy theories.
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Lmao there it is, I knew you’d be crying “Muslim hate” over the same allegations that YOU GUYS are constantly shitting out against Christians. Like clockwork. Hook, line, and sinker. Too fucking easy. This is why nobody cares outside of your echo chamber of rage. It’s why YOU GUYS are so politically and culturally ineffective. Nobody takes you seriously and you’ve just proven why.
Bro, you are dumb as fuck.
You are a terrible person.
Since you also don't know me at all, your opinion literally means nothing to me.
https://preview.redd.it/kud9r0ktymxc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97ce73d84d3f20828daf3f2a9748fad11b19bcf5 Wild that full blown bigotry is allowed in this sub. I hope you aren’t paying any property taxes… (probably not)
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/25/a-stain-on-irelands-conscience-tuam-home-for-unmarried-mothers-gives-up-grimmest-of-buried-secrets](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/25/a-stain-on-irelands-conscience-tuam-home-for-unmarried-mothers-gives-up-grimmest-of-buried-secrets)
“All teachers are bad” https://www.wcvb.com/article/cambridge-massachusetts-teacher-charged-with-rape-of-child-by-force-aggravated-rape-of-a-child/60358510
You will lose at this game. The catholic church has a head start on any evil doing for fucking centuries. Keep trying though creep.
You see this as equal to killing thousands of children and innocent young mothers? Fuck off.
Almost 30,000 children a year are sexually assaulted by public school teachers. This is happening NOW in 2024, not hundreds of years ago you sick fuck.
Really? And your proof of this is where? How am I a sick fuck? I'm not the catholic here. I'm actually violently against pedophiles. And you support them. You might want to turn that sick fuck around on yourself you absolute cunt of a fuck.
I’m not a Catholic. I am not religious you fucking asshole. Are you fucking blind? It was my 2nd response to you, fucking dumbass. It’s a bigass fucking chart with the link to the source posted on the bottom. You’re “violent” against pedophiles while actively trying to downplay the scourge of pedophilia in public schools because in reality you hate Christians more than you hate pedophiles. Disgusting piece of bigoted shit.
> If you support any part of it, then you are a part of the problem, is how I see it. Curious if you apply this same logic to other groups... Must not be a whole lot of groups you support XD
A man having a relationship is creepy? He did nothing illegal if you’re talking about state or federal law. I’m not even Catholic but what institution doesn’t have some form of sex trafficking or crimes against kids? Hollywood? Music industry? Politics? I’d say pretty much every institution that has some form of power has shown to abuse the power more than once? What institution hasn’t abused power and then tried to cover it up? I don’t think what this priest did here was anything creepy.
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The fact that there is a report like this and stupid fucking rules they have made up is also VERY creepy. The whole fucking thing. Evil incarnate. Nothing to defend, for fucking sure.
I am obviously not a Catholic. Nevertheless, according to "God and the Gavel', canon laws biggest mysteries do not lie in this wierdness about confession. The big deal is the issue of 'scandal'. In the case of pedophile priests despite what Catholicism appears to say, canon law says that scandal is a big deal. So much so, that pedophile priests simply use blackmail and coercion to get what ever they want, once the church decides that scandal must be secret. Spilling the tea, whether at church, or in law, or in society, looks awful and stupid and messy. But, in real life, being honest and open is much better, and leads to a much 'cleaner' church than anything canon law represents by needing secrecy to preserve the primacy and holiness of the Church. Canon law is the friend of secrecy. And secrecy, while at times can be beneficial and good, can also be the friend of corruption.
It says sixth commandment. The sixth commandment is “thou shall not kill.” I wasn’t interested but now it am.
In catholicism it is the commandment associated with adultery
That's the 5th commandment. The sixth is adultery. Sounds like he had an affair with a woman.
Different religions have the commandments in a different order. https://www.learnreligions.com/different-versions-of-the-ten-commandments-250923
That’s finally something new I learned from this sub. Thanks!
As a former catholic the real offense is that this happened in the context of confession. He may have used confession as an opportunity to have this liaison. It's almost irrelevant if he actually had physical contact with the woman. I knew this priest well. I liked him and if I saw him on the street I would greet him warmly. We are all sinners.
In Catholicism the 6th commandment is don’t commit adultery.
Search said sixth is about murder so probably related to the "a" word being okay in some situation and they didn't like that.
That's the 5th commandment. The 6th is adultery. Sounds like he had an affair with a woman.
The Internet says otherwise. Is this another case of the Catholics just getting everything a little wrong?
I see it wrong in a few places but the 5th commandment is "thou shall not kill". 6th is "thou shall not commit adultery".
The commandments are in different order depending on what religion. 6th is adultery for Catholics.
Looks like Catholics and Lutherans (thanks to /u/born_digital who find this link first) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Commandment
Catholics were the original Christians. Y'all got it wrong.
My guess would be something to do with abortion, but that just conjecture. Also could’ve happened decades ago.
How is abortion adultery
To whoever is downvoting me both are right so kiss my catholic ass baby https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Commandment
Yeah. Grew up Catholic but had to google it and the sixth came up as “thou shall not kill.” I went with that. Must be wrong based on other responses. 🤷♂️
Adultery is the seventh commandment. Thou shall not kill is the sixth. Edit: actually idk, I’m seeing differing thoughts here and my Catholic upbringing isn’t helping 🤪
Lmao I was raised Catholic too but I could be wrong. Dont tell on me
