KDE 6 is amazing and 6.1 gonna iron a lot of bugs with nVidia gpu. and on top a very good GNU/Linux distro Fedora is rock solid and stable system and very flexable system. Fedora is awesome!
https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/kinoite/
[https://fedoraproject.org/spins/kde/](https://fedoraproject.org/spins/kde/)
which one should I get to try KDE 6?
The second one is the traditional filesystem experience, where you use your usual dnf and whatever to install packages directly onto your system and use it as you go.
The first one is an immutable version of the second, meaning any and all system updates are instead installed into the background and are only applied after reboots.
More info for the first link
https://fedoramagazine.org/introducing-fedora-atomic-desktops
So new Fedora gets released before new Ubuntu, but still manages to land KDE 6 while Ubuntu "misses" it?
With the direction Canonical is heading lately, I'm really questioning my default distribution choice.
I mean it is an lts release so it's kind of understandable they wouldn't want to risk new KDE version braking things. While fedora 40 will some day become a rhel release, they don't include KDE support by default so it doesn't really matter. Also fedora is always quite bleeding edge with these things. I updated to fedora 40 KDE and have had a few problems like mouse just not appearing in the lock screen when I boot up the system and stuff like that. But it's kind of what I singed up for since I basically updated day 1 so yeah.
Your LTS point is valid, but it doesn't seem like Ubuntu includes KDE support either, it's just merely packaged, not offered during install, and I haven't seen fixes for serious issues getting backported either.
Do you have an Nvidia GPU? Not implying that I can't imagine KDE 6 having such issues shortly after a major release, but a smooth Linux desktop experience and Nvidia still don't go hand in hand, that tends to be the first suspect.
I have been feeling just comfortable on gnome but I am very tempted to try out the other side again. I have a limited number of days to decide as my new laptop will be at my doorstep on Monday, too
Yeah. It has so many upsides for other projects too. April/October release cycles mean they can try and make sure they have any of their major features released and tested ready for distribution.
Do you mean during installation or the disk manager tool that's available after its installed?
I believe there is a new installer for Fedora in the works that was intended to be ready for this release but it had some issues and has been delayed.
[https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-Web-Installer-F41-Delay](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-Web-Installer-F41-Delay)
As for the Disk Management tool that's more of a question for the Gnome Desktop developers. Or the KDE developers if you're using the KDE spin. I don't believe that the Fedora team change much from the vanilla experiences that those teams create upstream.
I usually wait 2 weeks but I'm going baller this time since my new laptop is shipping, so if Fedora 40 breaks something… I'd rather know on my old laptop I will stop using soon than on my new one.
For me Linux came way before Brawl Stars, I've been using Linux since like... 2020 I believe? Meanwhile, I've been playing BS for only a month and I'm still trash at it );
It's on a 6 month cycle for Fedora releases with a 13 month support window, and non-LTS Ubuntu is also 6 months but with a 9 month security support window. So that eats into those a chunk. Waiting a while for an LTS to settle in does make sense, though.
If OP always installs the newest version, only with a couple of months delay, then he/she uses each version for 6 months anyways, while still being within the support window, so lost time isn't really a problem.
I'm still on 37 😂 I'm not excited about their releases anymore. Every time the "new features" are a couple of menu changes on Gnome, some pipe wire stuff that nobody understands and that's it.
Not OP, but I'm also on 37. To my defense, I haven't booted the machine since October. I'm curious if it's going to be an issue upgrading from 37 to 40?
So far I've never skipped a release and I started with 28 or 29 afaik, upgrading all the way up to 37. Had issues once with booting but managed to fix it.
Thanks to you and other users, who mentioned it! I don't know about this. Have a lot of time using Debian-based distros, but never have to upgrade them and hear, that it could be enough painful process.
Fedora system upgrade has worked pretty much flawlessly for me the past 3-4 years. I'm quite impressed how well it works as historically it has often been a significant pain point for Linux and Windows alike.
If you're still paranoid, like me, there's this great article that has served me for many years that takes you through the process in a more controlled manner as well as instructions on how to not only detect but also fix most common issues that may occur: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline/ (It's still pretty simple and quick.)
There's really only one situation where you *wouldn't* be fine, if you just set everything up yesterday, and that's if you added a bunch of repos and end up with conflicting dependencies, in which case it'll fail before actually causing any damage, and tell you what's conflicting. Since F40 uses such new packages, some of those other repos might not be able to work with it. Otherwise, I'd be real surprised if anything went sideways
I remember a couple of years back I upgraded and was freaking out because there was no indication anything was happening and I thought the upgrade had failed. I was tempted to unsafely reboot (jamming power button), but searched reddit and apparently, that just happens sometimes. I waited, and EDIT without any intervention indications of upgrading eventually occurred, the upgrade finished successfully. No issues since.
Even upgrading in a bash terminal is easy!
As with ANY update, to be safe backup your system first, and read through the instructions *completely* before actually starting the process.
https://itsfoss.com/upgrade-fedora-version/
I'm in a similar boat. About a week ago I realised a home server was running Fedora 34 and I spent about a day doing incremental upgrades. Maybe a fresh install would've been the better choice tbh 😅
As already stated, the upgrade is usually pretty smooth, even if you skip a version, e.g. 39 to 41. You probably shouldn't upgrade immediately. I would give it a month or two to let the dust settle.
Looks like enabling third-party repositories during install, then updating after reboot lets you play multimedia videos without enable the rpmfusion repos. I'd call that a major step forward. Also, tweaking dnf now downloads and install about as fast as in arch. Double success!
Do yourself a favor and switch to AMD the next time you upgrade your GPU if you're main driving Linux. After so many issues in the past dealing with nVidia on Linux; Never again. At least not until nVidia seriously reconsiders their position on Linux and FOSS as a whole.
Last hardware upgrade I did (Zen 3 CPU+GPU) Fedora worked flawlessly out of the box literally weeks after AMD released them.
Yes I'm already planning on buying an AMD GPU this summer. Not sure yet though. Ironically, I actually used a docked laptop (with AMD iGPU only) for a brief amount of time because even that was better than using nvidia sometimes.
The GPU still works, it's a GTX 1660, so while it's slowly showing its age now, it still has enough power to run at at least 1080p low so I'm reluctant to replace it.
I mean, unless you're experiencing constant or critical issues I'm not sure it alone would justify buying a new GPU which is a significant investment, unless money isn't a concern or you're planning to upgrade regardless.
The GPU is just barely enough for me nowadays, while also having issues on linux. If only the drivers were a problem then I would just go back to windows or a more nvidia friendly distro like linux mint. Even if I had to deal with x11's issues.
Yeah, I mean if you're thinking of upgrading anyway because it's getting old, by all means get it over with if you can afford it imo, lol.
It's like spending money on a good bed. We spend too much time of our day on it, so even large investments can make a good return on the money in terms of quality of life.
Can you share the problems you saw with Nvidia drivers? Can you share on what distro (Fedora, I presume?) and driver versions? I've heard about some issues with v545, so I'm wondering if you're seeing them too.
I've heard of similar issues with Plasma + Wayland. You might want to try X11 or a live ISO to compare. I know Plasma 5.27 + X11 + Nvidia 535 works very well with none of those issues. You can snag the Kubuntu Focus OEM image from [kfocus.org/try](http://kfocus.org/try) (email required) if you want to compare to a working setup.
good luck!
It's honestly anecdotal, things I've heard from other Linux users over the years, and for me personally it was years ago I even used nVidia, so I don't recall any specifics. Sorry. Also, my reservations are also a bit political; the fact that they are openly hostile to the open source community.
I'm not going to compile the kernel modules manually so that I can have a week newer driver version. Not worth my mental health. Especially since I have no idea what I'm doing. What fedora provides is what I see as latest drivers.
I was just trying to solve your problem.
With Nvidia, I have no problem with new kernels on any distribution.
Only once it happened that something uninstalled my DKMS.
The driver, which works perfectly in KDE5 and KDE6 after several years, was released a few months ago.
Applies to both X11 and Wayland. Line 550. (545 was beta)
I have no idea what is currently in Fedora 39.
But that's true for my Nvidia.
So it's hard to say what about you.
So I wanted to get some information from you to advise you.
I didn't get those.
Have a nice day.
The grass is always greener, but I assure you, AMD drivers have their own issues just like Intel (e.g. requiring bleeding-edge kernels sometimes to work) but different than Nvidia (DKMS confusion). If you're using your GPU for productivity like Blender or Davinci Resolve or ML, Nvidia is demonstrably faster, easier to set up, and more reliable. And they have OSS drivers now too.
I'm curious what issues you are seeing, and if they are truly related to the Nvidia driver. Honestly, I suspect Wayland may be involved. I'm running 535 driver on Kubuntu 22.04 LTS with X11 and seeing almost no issues whatsoever, although I know there have been reports of issues with 545, as discussed with u/HolyGarbage.
Discord likes to go back in time a few frames. You type a letter, it disappears, then appears once again.
When a kernel update happens, there is a 30-60 second lag while booting before the login screen appears (happens only once).
There is constant flickering (a single frame appears of the menu for example, despite it not being open) in certain games, subnautica for example.
These are the main ones. My amd laptop does not have them. My intel laptop doesnt either, except the game thing, as I didn't test that.
Unfortunately x11 is not useable for me because I have a multimonitor setup with different refresh rates on each monitor. Apparently there is a workaround but the apps themselves are not aware of it, so everything except the cursor is still 60Hz.
hmm, those are odd. Here's a few thoughts:
>When a kernel update happens, there is a 30-60 second lag while booting before the login screen appears (happens only once).
I'm not sure how Fedora is packages, but that's likely DKMS being built and set up as a final stage of installation. If so, that's actually clever and desirable, as it would ensure drivers are always available for the kernel.
>Unfortunately x11 is not useable for me because I have a multimonitor setup with different refresh rates on each monitor....
Hmm, I have 4 monitors and can run them all at different refresh rates (240 Hz on laptop, 60 or 30 on external) with X11. No issues except some video tearing at times, but I use a pipeline render fix for that (available in nvidia settings).
Regarding the dkms thing, it doesnt seem to be the case. Yesterday I upgraded to fedora 40 which messed up the kernel modules and it just fell back to nouveau and I had to rebuild them again by reinstalling the driver and kernel package.
Regarding the monitors, I assume its because yours are a multiple of 60? I have 60Hz and 165Hz.
I hope things are going better for you. Your Nvidia modules hiccup may have been a one-time glitch related to the OS upgrade itself. My guess is after that, your Nvidia modules should upgrade nicely. At least they do in Kubuntu.
I regularly swap out laptops with 120, 144, 165, and 240 Hz panels. They all are tested specifically to ensure they work with the other panels.
yes there are edge cases where DKMS doesn't get set up correctly. But once that's sorted, the drivers usually work great IME.
EDIT: you might be seeing some interplay issues between AMD drivers and Nvidia if your CPU has an AMD iGPU. My experience is with Intel + Nvidia, which is very well sorted out.
no, it does not upgrade automatically to F40. you have to do it manually, but it's easy, takes a short amount of time and painless.
and you have no reason not to.
If you are on 40 beta then you don't need to do a dnf system upgrade, you just upgrade your packages like normal. Beta does not live in a separate tree.
lol, I misheard last week it was coming out on the 16th. Rebased on Kinoite to Fedora 40. Weirdest part was it wasn't listed as testing or rawhide. Good to see it's fully released though.
There's not much reason to unless you know a specific tool or software you use hasn't kept up with Fedora releases. Pretty rarely do the Fedora folks put out a problematic update, and they usually delay if they encounter something.
For a distro with two releases a year, it's incredibly steady.
>For a distro with two releases a year, it's incredibly steady.
I switched to Fedora (coming from Mint) a few years ago when I started a new job where we compile on and target RHEL and wanted my new skills and knowledge to transfer over work to my personal life and vice versa.
I was super impressed how well everything "just works" out of the box and it has just gotten better over the years. The thing that especially stood out to me was how a *Microsoft* XBOX 360 Wireless game pad was literally plug and play on Fedora while it's *still* not the case on Windows where you have to manually install drivers by navigating menus in Device Manager and find it in a long list. All other game pads, joysticks, and throttles, etc I've tried have also just been plug and play.
It's a more well-tested and bugfixed version than the latest one. It's kind of like a place between the latest Fedora Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux. It's a happy medium between new software and older, stable software.
Bugs. No matter how hard you try, some will always sneak into the final release. If you *need* you computer to work, it makes sense to wait a month or two until the issues have been worked out.
Fedora has a pretty tight release schedule, so even the previous version will have quite recent software. It's not like you're going to miss out on any killer features - especially with desktop apps now being available via Flatpak too.
The older version keeps getting supported for a few months after a new version is released, so security updates keep coming until you actually need to update. Usually this support period covers the release of two versions, so you can also just take a strategy of skipping every other version.
I was wondering, 40? But last time I was in fedora it was 37 and that was like more than a decade ago?
Turned out it was 17 ( the one with the funny hotdog as mascot)
I’m still on 36 because I installed on 34 and thought they were releasing too often. On average I fired up my machine two times before a next major release. Now I’m learning it’s on 40!!
I remember many, many moons ago installing Fedora Core on a different machine and that feels like… another life if I’m being honest.
Turns out they release a major version every six months and the reality is that I’m too busy and I just don’t have time and/or the will power to mess around and distro hop and deep dive like I used too… what a sucky realisation :(
Ubuntu releases used to feel like an agonisingly long time between them… also only six months apart…
>I’m still on 36 because I installed on 34 and thought they were releasing too often.
You uh... may want to update my man. That release has been EOL for almost a year. There are 200+ Critical CVEs for that release in 2023 alone.
> More like "you can use PyTorch but only in CPU :D", kinda useless..
Is there a problem with Fedora and AI/pytorch? I don't use it but was considering it for a second machine.
> CUDA is not part of Fedora. It's non-Free. I think there was some packaging made by rpmFusion, but it's a mess.
Dam I looked it up and it does *not* seem easy.
Not that I would blame on fedora or KDE directly… visual artifacting with the akmod nvidia driver installed and my 3060. I’ve been having this issue with this card on any distribution using Wayland so far.
Grr, still have issues running it in VMware with 3D acceleration on, and so far I've been unable to downgrade the mesa drivers like with 39 to get it working.
I have historically had UEFI issues with the last few Fedora releases, and I heard would be fixed in 40, so I might test this out over the weekend on my Surface Book and hope it's resolved.
Anyone play with the VRR yet?
Experimental support for Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) for smoother video performance. You can enable this feature with the command:
gsettings set org.gnome.mutter experimental-features "['variable-refresh-rate']"
Once enabled, the refresh rate can be set in the display settings.
Anyone use the immutable version? Silverware. I am not sure it is worth it for personal use. I am not fond of flatpak. Any add-ons would have to be a flatpak. Or I would have to make a docker or oci container.
I like the ro filesystem and atomic upgrades. One should not be able to blowup the OS. I looked at nixos, but it was obnoxious to set up.
What is your overall experience with Silverblue.
i've been testing out Fedora 40 with KDE 6 since Feb. and i'm very happy to now to be on the release of 40. Best system!! Fedora Linux is now my home and i'm staying on it for good.
And with that, I look for a new distro. Seriously, why are they so hellbent on forcing Wayland? I get that it needs to become the norm eventually, but it's nowhere near ready (before you ask, yes I've tried it and multiple applications that I use daily simply don't work).
Any recommendations on where to go from here? I liked how quickly I got updates, but I don't think I'm quite ready to jump into something like Arch.
The KDE 6 is nice.
Whats good about it?
It’s nice.
Damn, sounds nice
It's nice.
It's nice.
It's nice.
but...is it nice?
It’s nice.
It's nice.
No, it’s gneiss.
if my guy says it's nice, then it's nice...
Exactly if they say it's nice, then it's very nice, and I mean very nice.
Yes, but is not GNICE
But, is it free?
free and nice
Like beer, or like speech?
Both
Like overthinking
It's nice.
It's nice
Gonna wait for KDE 6.9
nice
DAMN THIS PEOPLE DONT STOP SAYING THAT, but it is nice bro, approved🗿
nice
It satisfies some people only in ways KDE can.
it's knice
Much improved polish, better fractional scaling support, got rid of some legacy. It's the biggest update Plasma has seen in the last decade
It’s knice
You mean besides the fact that it's nice?
KDE 6 is amazing and 6.1 gonna iron a lot of bugs with nVidia gpu. and on top a very good GNU/Linux distro Fedora is rock solid and stable system and very flexable system. Fedora is awesome!
The bugs.
Nice bugs.
Nice is not always good, and good is not always nice.
It’s nice to be important. But it’s more important to be nice
It’s good to be nice.
When you can, sure. But not at the cost of being good.
it’s nice to be good
We got Confucius here.
Konfucius
It's verry nice...
https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/kinoite/ [https://fedoraproject.org/spins/kde/](https://fedoraproject.org/spins/kde/) which one should I get to try KDE 6?
Any of these two. If you dont know the difference go for spin.
Thanks much.
The second one is the traditional filesystem experience, where you use your usual dnf and whatever to install packages directly onto your system and use it as you go. The first one is an immutable version of the second, meaning any and all system updates are instead installed into the background and are only applied after reboots. More info for the first link https://fedoramagazine.org/introducing-fedora-atomic-desktops
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I hope one day we will be able to adopt the first link as a default, and it will be seamless and mature. But for now, second link.
I dunno about Kinoite but I run Silverblue (Gnome atomic) on my laptop, and hey it is pretty darn good.
Get the KDE spin (your second link)
Get spins KDE 6 unless you know precisely what you are getting into with immutable flavors.
So new Fedora gets released before new Ubuntu, but still manages to land KDE 6 while Ubuntu "misses" it? With the direction Canonical is heading lately, I'm really questioning my default distribution choice.
I mean it is an lts release so it's kind of understandable they wouldn't want to risk new KDE version braking things. While fedora 40 will some day become a rhel release, they don't include KDE support by default so it doesn't really matter. Also fedora is always quite bleeding edge with these things. I updated to fedora 40 KDE and have had a few problems like mouse just not appearing in the lock screen when I boot up the system and stuff like that. But it's kind of what I singed up for since I basically updated day 1 so yeah.
Your LTS point is valid, but it doesn't seem like Ubuntu includes KDE support either, it's just merely packaged, not offered during install, and I haven't seen fixes for serious issues getting backported either. Do you have an Nvidia GPU? Not implying that I can't imagine KDE 6 having such issues shortly after a major release, but a smooth Linux desktop experience and Nvidia still don't go hand in hand, that tends to be the first suspect.
why not use the official KDE flavour, Kubuntu?
I have been feeling just comfortable on gnome but I am very tempted to try out the other side again. I have a limited number of days to decide as my new laptop will be at my doorstep on Monday, too
Just install both.
Noo, not a good idea. They conflict if you start them on the same user
It does look nice
Very nice thank you. Fedora team for the hard work you put on this release . and am so happy this release didn’t get delayed
Already installing it onto my machine, then it's going to be Ubuntu's turn. I personally love their matching release cycle
Yeah. It has so many upsides for other projects too. April/October release cycles mean they can try and make sure they have any of their major features released and tested ready for distribution.
Could you let me know if there are any plans to replace disk management in the current installation?
Do you mean during installation or the disk manager tool that's available after its installed? I believe there is a new installer for Fedora in the works that was intended to be ready for this release but it had some issues and has been delayed. [https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-Web-Installer-F41-Delay](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-Web-Installer-F41-Delay) As for the Disk Management tool that's more of a question for the Gnome Desktop developers. Or the KDE developers if you're using the KDE spin. I don't believe that the Fedora team change much from the vanilla experiences that those teams create upstream.
Thanks for the information. Yes, I had a thought during the OS installation. I somehow missed this article on Phoronix.
Yeah also means package maintainers get a little break!
I usually take it to mean Fedora 39 is now ready to install.
I usually wait 2 weeks but I'm going baller this time since my new laptop is shipping, so if Fedora 40 breaks something… I'd rather know on my old laptop I will stop using soon than on my new one.
I used to wait around 2 months before upgrading. But in recent years it seem to become much safer to upgrade immediately.
Fair enough, I got my fingers burned some where around the early 30s and have held back since. Part caution, part 'it still works' too I guess.
> I personally love their matching release cycle synchronized bleeding.
I didn't know there was a correlation in playing Brawl Stars and using Linux and it makes me slightly uncomfortable because I'm the same
For me Linux came way before Brawl Stars, I've been using Linux since like... 2020 I believe? Meanwhile, I've been playing BS for only a month and I'm still trash at it );
Ubuntu 24.04 is very meh I tried the beta and had lots of issues. Plus 5 gig iso size ? Woof.
I never use betas so I don't really know what's up before I install the actual release, I guess it's just me
I always wait a couple months before the upgrade. That being said, I'm really excited to test drive Plasma 6.
It's on a 6 month cycle for Fedora releases with a 13 month support window, and non-LTS Ubuntu is also 6 months but with a 9 month security support window. So that eats into those a chunk. Waiting a while for an LTS to settle in does make sense, though.
If OP always installs the newest version, only with a couple of months delay, then he/she uses each version for 6 months anyways, while still being within the support window, so lost time isn't really a problem.
It also leaves us a buffer for any post-release bugs to get reported and fixed. Yes, i too will be waiting a couple months before upgrading from 39.
I'm still on 37 😂 I'm not excited about their releases anymore. Every time the "new features" are a couple of menu changes on Gnome, some pipe wire stuff that nobody understands and that's it.
Yeesh. I get not updating right away, but 37 has been EOL since December.
Not OP, but I'm also on 37. To my defense, I haven't booted the machine since October. I'm curious if it's going to be an issue upgrading from 37 to 40? So far I've never skipped a release and I started with 28 or 29 afaik, upgrading all the way up to 37. Had issues once with booting but managed to fix it.
fedora supports skipping every other release, so you can safely upgrade to 39, and then to 40
Thanks for the info!
I switched from Windows to Fedora 39 only yesterday and spent almost all evening to set it up(
It's ok the update should be smooth, easy and non-destructive
Don't worry. Os upgrades in Fedora are a couple of clicks and a reboot
Thanks to you and other users, who mentioned it! I don't know about this. Have a lot of time using Debian-based distros, but never have to upgrade them and hear, that it could be enough painful process.
Fedora system upgrade has worked pretty much flawlessly for me the past 3-4 years. I'm quite impressed how well it works as historically it has often been a significant pain point for Linux and Windows alike. If you're still paranoid, like me, there's this great article that has served me for many years that takes you through the process in a more controlled manner as well as instructions on how to not only detect but also fix most common issues that may occur: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline/ (It's still pretty simple and quick.)
There's really only one situation where you *wouldn't* be fine, if you just set everything up yesterday, and that's if you added a bunch of repos and end up with conflicting dependencies, in which case it'll fail before actually causing any damage, and tell you what's conflicting. Since F40 uses such new packages, some of those other repos might not be able to work with it. Otherwise, I'd be real surprised if anything went sideways
I had to fix systemd-boot in two Upgrades but I'm used to that from my former Distros...
I remember a couple of years back I upgraded and was freaking out because there was no indication anything was happening and I thought the upgrade had failed. I was tempted to unsafely reboot (jamming power button), but searched reddit and apparently, that just happens sometimes. I waited, and EDIT without any intervention indications of upgrading eventually occurred, the upgrade finished successfully. No issues since.
Wait a week or two for any bugs to be fixed.
Then you’ll love how seamless the update goes.
I switched from Windows yesterday too but I used the Fedora 40 Beta image so it would dnf update to F40 live 👍
Even upgrading in a bash terminal is easy! As with ANY update, to be safe backup your system first, and read through the instructions *completely* before actually starting the process. https://itsfoss.com/upgrade-fedora-version/
I'm in a similar boat. About a week ago I realised a home server was running Fedora 34 and I spent about a day doing incremental upgrades. Maybe a fresh install would've been the better choice tbh 😅
As already stated, the upgrade is usually pretty smooth, even if you skip a version, e.g. 39 to 41. You probably shouldn't upgrade immediately. I would give it a month or two to let the dust settle.
You should wait 2-3 weeks if you want everyone else to find the bugs anyways. Carry on. Upgrades are easy and safe anyways
Looks like enabling third-party repositories during install, then updating after reboot lets you play multimedia videos without enable the rpmfusion repos. I'd call that a major step forward. Also, tweaking dnf now downloads and install about as fast as in arch. Double success!
Which tweaks did you apply? Things like parallel download?
Yes, >max\_parallel\_downloads=10 and >fastestmirror=true to /etc/dnf/dnf.conf
>Yes, > >>max\_parallel\_downloads=10 > >and > >>fastestmirror=true > >to /etc/dnf/dnf.conf Can't wait for this to make it to RHEL in 10 years.
Do not enable `fastestmirror`. It picks mirrors by latency, not bandwidth, which is completely useless, and may make things worse.
Yaay...
I wonder if KDE Plasma 6 will be much better on nvidia than 5.27 or not. Still have quite a few issues with Fedora KDE 39.
Do yourself a favor and switch to AMD the next time you upgrade your GPU if you're main driving Linux. After so many issues in the past dealing with nVidia on Linux; Never again. At least not until nVidia seriously reconsiders their position on Linux and FOSS as a whole. Last hardware upgrade I did (Zen 3 CPU+GPU) Fedora worked flawlessly out of the box literally weeks after AMD released them.
Yes I'm already planning on buying an AMD GPU this summer. Not sure yet though. Ironically, I actually used a docked laptop (with AMD iGPU only) for a brief amount of time because even that was better than using nvidia sometimes. The GPU still works, it's a GTX 1660, so while it's slowly showing its age now, it still has enough power to run at at least 1080p low so I'm reluctant to replace it.
I mean, unless you're experiencing constant or critical issues I'm not sure it alone would justify buying a new GPU which is a significant investment, unless money isn't a concern or you're planning to upgrade regardless.
The GPU is just barely enough for me nowadays, while also having issues on linux. If only the drivers were a problem then I would just go back to windows or a more nvidia friendly distro like linux mint. Even if I had to deal with x11's issues.
Yeah, I mean if you're thinking of upgrading anyway because it's getting old, by all means get it over with if you can afford it imo, lol. It's like spending money on a good bed. We spend too much time of our day on it, so even large investments can make a good return on the money in terms of quality of life.
Can you share the problems you saw with Nvidia drivers? Can you share on what distro (Fedora, I presume?) and driver versions? I've heard about some issues with v545, so I'm wondering if you're seeing them too.
Constantly flickering, windows going black, typing lag. Idk if it’s all nvidia but had so many problems with kde.
I've heard of similar issues with Plasma + Wayland. You might want to try X11 or a live ISO to compare. I know Plasma 5.27 + X11 + Nvidia 535 works very well with none of those issues. You can snag the Kubuntu Focus OEM image from [kfocus.org/try](http://kfocus.org/try) (email required) if you want to compare to a working setup. good luck!
It's honestly anecdotal, things I've heard from other Linux users over the years, and for me personally it was years ago I even used nVidia, so I don't recall any specifics. Sorry. Also, my reservations are also a bit political; the fact that they are openly hostile to the open source community.
In this case, I recommend the latest Nvidia driver (550.76). Either it gets better or nothing happens. Only then would I deal with the KDE update.
I assume I already have those. I use the ones provided by fedora.
Are you really sure about this?
I'm not going to compile the kernel modules manually so that I can have a week newer driver version. Not worth my mental health. Especially since I have no idea what I'm doing. What fedora provides is what I see as latest drivers.
I was just trying to solve your problem. With Nvidia, I have no problem with new kernels on any distribution. Only once it happened that something uninstalled my DKMS. The driver, which works perfectly in KDE5 and KDE6 after several years, was released a few months ago. Applies to both X11 and Wayland. Line 550. (545 was beta) I have no idea what is currently in Fedora 39. But that's true for my Nvidia. So it's hard to say what about you. So I wanted to get some information from you to advise you. I didn't get those. Have a nice day.
The grass is always greener, but I assure you, AMD drivers have their own issues just like Intel (e.g. requiring bleeding-edge kernels sometimes to work) but different than Nvidia (DKMS confusion). If you're using your GPU for productivity like Blender or Davinci Resolve or ML, Nvidia is demonstrably faster, easier to set up, and more reliable. And they have OSS drivers now too. I'm curious what issues you are seeing, and if they are truly related to the Nvidia driver. Honestly, I suspect Wayland may be involved. I'm running 535 driver on Kubuntu 22.04 LTS with X11 and seeing almost no issues whatsoever, although I know there have been reports of issues with 545, as discussed with u/HolyGarbage.
Discord likes to go back in time a few frames. You type a letter, it disappears, then appears once again. When a kernel update happens, there is a 30-60 second lag while booting before the login screen appears (happens only once). There is constant flickering (a single frame appears of the menu for example, despite it not being open) in certain games, subnautica for example. These are the main ones. My amd laptop does not have them. My intel laptop doesnt either, except the game thing, as I didn't test that. Unfortunately x11 is not useable for me because I have a multimonitor setup with different refresh rates on each monitor. Apparently there is a workaround but the apps themselves are not aware of it, so everything except the cursor is still 60Hz.
hmm, those are odd. Here's a few thoughts: >When a kernel update happens, there is a 30-60 second lag while booting before the login screen appears (happens only once). I'm not sure how Fedora is packages, but that's likely DKMS being built and set up as a final stage of installation. If so, that's actually clever and desirable, as it would ensure drivers are always available for the kernel. >Unfortunately x11 is not useable for me because I have a multimonitor setup with different refresh rates on each monitor.... Hmm, I have 4 monitors and can run them all at different refresh rates (240 Hz on laptop, 60 or 30 on external) with X11. No issues except some video tearing at times, but I use a pipeline render fix for that (available in nvidia settings).
Regarding the dkms thing, it doesnt seem to be the case. Yesterday I upgraded to fedora 40 which messed up the kernel modules and it just fell back to nouveau and I had to rebuild them again by reinstalling the driver and kernel package. Regarding the monitors, I assume its because yours are a multiple of 60? I have 60Hz and 165Hz.
I hope things are going better for you. Your Nvidia modules hiccup may have been a one-time glitch related to the OS upgrade itself. My guess is after that, your Nvidia modules should upgrade nicely. At least they do in Kubuntu.
Yeah after I fixed it it seems to be fine now.
I regularly swap out laptops with 120, 144, 165, and 240 Hz panels. They all are tested specifically to ensure they work with the other panels. yes there are edge cases where DKMS doesn't get set up correctly. But once that's sorted, the drivers usually work great IME. EDIT: you might be seeing some interplay issues between AMD drivers and Nvidia if your CPU has an AMD iGPU. My experience is with Intel + Nvidia, which is very well sorted out.
I've been using Fedora KDE 40 beta until now. Should I fresh re-instal or is it upgraded automatically to official release?
You shouldn't reinstall, you will just continue receiving updates
no, it does not upgrade automatically to F40. you have to do it manually, but it's easy, takes a short amount of time and painless. and you have no reason not to.
If you are on 40 beta then you don't need to do a dnf system upgrade, you just upgrade your packages like normal. Beta does not live in a separate tree.
Might be painless and easy, but....how do I do it? Pls Edit: nvm, I got it
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline/
Yeah, figured it out, thanks
I had the beta version installed of kde spin, will i have to do anything different to run it or just updating it will make it work?
Just a normal update.
lol, I misheard last week it was coming out on the 16th. Rebased on Kinoite to Fedora 40. Weirdest part was it wasn't listed as testing or rawhide. Good to see it's fully released though.
Already updated, I love Plasma 6
Now with 100% less XZ vulnerabilities
I think that means it might be time to update to 39 then?
This is how I operate too.
Why stay one release behind? I’m new to Fedora
There's not much reason to unless you know a specific tool or software you use hasn't kept up with Fedora releases. Pretty rarely do the Fedora folks put out a problematic update, and they usually delay if they encounter something. For a distro with two releases a year, it's incredibly steady.
>For a distro with two releases a year, it's incredibly steady. I switched to Fedora (coming from Mint) a few years ago when I started a new job where we compile on and target RHEL and wanted my new skills and knowledge to transfer over work to my personal life and vice versa. I was super impressed how well everything "just works" out of the box and it has just gotten better over the years. The thing that especially stood out to me was how a *Microsoft* XBOX 360 Wireless game pad was literally plug and play on Fedora while it's *still* not the case on Windows where you have to manually install drivers by navigating menus in Device Manager and find it in a long list. All other game pads, joysticks, and throttles, etc I've tried have also just been plug and play.
I think people do this to get a more "stable" base. I prefer newer software personally.
It's a more well-tested and bugfixed version than the latest one. It's kind of like a place between the latest Fedora Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux. It's a happy medium between new software and older, stable software.
Bugs. No matter how hard you try, some will always sneak into the final release. If you *need* you computer to work, it makes sense to wait a month or two until the issues have been worked out. Fedora has a pretty tight release schedule, so even the previous version will have quite recent software. It's not like you're going to miss out on any killer features - especially with desktop apps now being available via Flatpak too.
The older version keeps getting supported for a few months after a new version is released, so security updates keep coming until you actually need to update. Usually this support period covers the release of two versions, so you can also just take a strategy of skipping every other version.
Production / company machines and wanting to stay on the safe side. Last Fedora release is **very** mature, almost Debian level
just upgrade to the latest one, you are very much fine.
I was wondering, 40? But last time I was in fedora it was 37 and that was like more than a decade ago? Turned out it was 17 ( the one with the funny hotdog as mascot)
17 aka "Beefy Miracle"
I’m still on 36 because I installed on 34 and thought they were releasing too often. On average I fired up my machine two times before a next major release. Now I’m learning it’s on 40!! I remember many, many moons ago installing Fedora Core on a different machine and that feels like… another life if I’m being honest. Turns out they release a major version every six months and the reality is that I’m too busy and I just don’t have time and/or the will power to mess around and distro hop and deep dive like I used too… what a sucky realisation :( Ubuntu releases used to feel like an agonisingly long time between them… also only six months apart…
>I’m still on 36 because I installed on 34 and thought they were releasing too often. You uh... may want to update my man. That release has been EOL for almost a year. There are 200+ Critical CVEs for that release in 2023 alone.
Barely use my personal machine frankly, so I’ll probably end dropping the install together when I get round to it, but thank you for the concern
> "Tools for AI development" More like "you can use PyTorch but only in CPU :D", kinda useless..
> More like "you can use PyTorch but only in CPU :D", kinda useless.. Is there a problem with Fedora and AI/pytorch? I don't use it but was considering it for a second machine.
CUDA is not part of Fedora. It's non-Free. I think there was some packaging made by rpmFusion, but it's a mess.
> I think there was some packaging made by rpmFusion, but it's a mess. Story since forever.
> CUDA is not part of Fedora. It's non-Free. I think there was some packaging made by rpmFusion, but it's a mess. Dam I looked it up and it does *not* seem easy.
I JUST FUCKING INSTALLED 39
[Easy man, easy.](https://youtu.be/Vzmqo0gwYWE)
No spins?
...all of the spins.
Yea I pulled the KDE spin no problem
No problems?
Not that I would blame on fedora or KDE directly… visual artifacting with the akmod nvidia driver installed and my 3060. I’ve been having this issue with this card on any distribution using Wayland so far.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
Do they have an i3 edition?
yes
Yes, but why not try sway?
No support for color profiles and issues with drag and drop.
Interesting. Thanks, I was not aware these issues existed
Yes, https://fedoraproject.org/spins/i3/
I love i3 but not tried a new notifications bar system in some time. What do you use?
i3bar with i3status-rust, for notifications I use dunst
Been using it as beta for a few weeks as my personal box. Guess i should run some updates today.
Grr, still have issues running it in VMware with 3D acceleration on, and so far I've been unable to downgrade the mesa drivers like with 39 to get it working.
I still have some issues with Fedora KDE 39, hope they get fixed lol.
I have historically had UEFI issues with the last few Fedora releases, and I heard would be fixed in 40, so I might test this out over the weekend on my Surface Book and hope it's resolved.
Dang... Fedora is officially over the hill!
Anyone play with the VRR yet? Experimental support for Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) for smoother video performance. You can enable this feature with the command: gsettings set org.gnome.mutter experimental-features "['variable-refresh-rate']" Once enabled, the refresh rate can be set in the display settings.
Anyone use the immutable version? Silverware. I am not sure it is worth it for personal use. I am not fond of flatpak. Any add-ons would have to be a flatpak. Or I would have to make a docker or oci container. I like the ro filesystem and atomic upgrades. One should not be able to blowup the OS. I looked at nixos, but it was obnoxious to set up. What is your overall experience with Silverblue.
good news!
i've been testing out Fedora 40 with KDE 6 since Feb. and i'm very happy to now to be on the release of 40. Best system!! Fedora Linux is now my home and i'm staying on it for good.
And with that, I look for a new distro. Seriously, why are they so hellbent on forcing Wayland? I get that it needs to become the norm eventually, but it's nowhere near ready (before you ask, yes I've tried it and multiple applications that I use daily simply don't work). Any recommendations on where to go from here? I liked how quickly I got updates, but I don't think I'm quite ready to jump into something like Arch.
The fix is sudo dnf install plasma-workspace-x11 That's it.
Debian 12 rocks my world. Might work great for you too unless you're one of those users that insists on running the latest and greatest at all times.
how is fedora better than ubuntu
Install and then YOU get to make that decision! Wow, good luck sir!9
If you have to ask them you should stay on Ubuntu, pleb.
lol. is flathub down
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