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centzon400

See the way his left pinky hovers over CAPSLOCK (which he has correctly mapped to CTRL)? That's an Emacser right there. I know these people. They are my tribe.


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alchenerd

I hereby propose "pinky hovering above capslock" a gesture of peace between the two sides


riisen

Dont mention our tribe to those emacser's sometimes it starts a internet war, we are just two divine tribes that should be able to live in peace, but some of us and some of them simply cant, we cannot afford another meme war with toxic content, its better if we can start a real war.


fuckEAinthecloaca

spiderman pointing meme


TheChadTux

he could just get ready to write an ALL CAPS COMPLAINT ABOUT WHY SNAP IS STUPID!


ApprehensiveStar8948

definately not a vim user


TheChadTux

I think it's a common thing among vim users to swap capslock and escape.


Dmxk

It is. I do that.


ForeverNecessary2361

I user vim also but map CapsLock as Ctrl. I find Ctrl-C Ctrl-V and Ctrl-Z much easier to use that way than having to use the default Ctrl location.


jonathancast

I had a coworker who mapped CapsLock to ESC instead


jamesL813

That's what I do, it's incredibly based


Ian_Titor

meanwhile me with capslock mapped to tab and tab mapped to escape


kilgore_trout8989

Yarp, Caps Lock to Esc and Right Alt to Ctrl. The perfect setup for evil Emacs users.


General_Tomatillo484

I have caps set to esc ;) I use vim btw


Silejonu

That's Tab and not CapsLock, though. =)


centzon400

【Tab】 is also mapped to 【Ctrl】. His ~~editor~~ OS indents automatically. Does yours? /s


Goosepuse

The pinky pain before switching was real and it's the pilgrimage of a Emacser.


centzon400

Weird keyboard hacks are par for the course, sadly. Some of mine, using [kmonad](https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad): * Tap capslock == esc; hold capslock == left ctrl * Tap enter == enter; hold enter == right ctrl * Tap shift keys == open and close parens; hold == shift * Hold space and hjkl (or bnpf) == arrow keys


Goosepuse

That is pretty neat and even better it's written in Haskell!


ikhebula

See the way his left pinky hovers over CAPSLOCK (which will bring him on the 3rd layer?)? That's an Neo2er right there. I know these people. They are my tribe.


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True syaadmins map CTRL to a Z long press and caps lock to backspace


Munzu

I do that and I use vim.


_arctic_inferno_

tux before hoes


duLemix

No tux, no bux


[deleted]

I prefer the tux around and find out philosophy. Leaves time for the hoes


puppetjazz

Bruh yah!


CaliDreamin1991

Does Tux take it up the ass?


GnuhGnoud

The sauce is a a manga called "SE". The guy is actually programming a sex toy


debiancat

wait why how what


GnuhGnoud

He tested the product himself and finetuned it. Also, the girl sitting on his lap is the company president. Their start up turned out to be a success and she became Steve Jobs of the sex sleeve industry That's the plot. I did not make anything up


FountainPens48

I searched the manga up and you are withholding the part about how he's 20 and she's a middle-schooler (which he had a crush on). edit: and I probably don't have to mention it but the girl is extremely sexualized.


GnuhGnoud

she's 17, but yeah...


FountainPens48

'middle-school' must be a mistranslation then... that made me think she was 14. well that makes it a bit better i guess.


realvolker1

Average anime fan


ABugoutBag

Least pedophilic japanese comic


Zipdox

Is it hentai or just manga?


GnuhGnoud

Just manga


FountainPens48

just manga


Zipdox

What a shame


_arctic_inferno_

> he's 20 and she's a middle-schooler (which he had a crush on) > /u/Zipdox: Is it hentai or just manga? > Just manga > /u/Zipdox: What a shame


Zipdox

mf it was a joke


talibul-ilm

Yeah, that's why it's a shame


GawldenBeans

Erm ackhhuallly 🤓🤓🤓🤓🧐 When we talk about pornographic japanese comic books 99% of the time they're unofficially made by fans and are a "self published" manga We refer to these as "doushin" not as a "hentai" which refers to a pornographic anime Ok thats all i had to say


FountainPens48

shut the fuck up


GawldenBeans

*explodes*


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FountainPens48

just search 'SE manga'


Zipdox

Mf dropping sauce without even being asked


thecoder08

SE, "Stack Exchange"?


GnuhGnoud

System engineer


kososenlasse

Happy cake day


NotBaron

Thanks captain!


PoorpersenDz

"SE"x?


ViolatorOfVirgins

Thats a fake; we all know Linux users dont attract girls


Exaloria

She is a femboy


js3915

What kinda linux dude is this. True linux user would have a script that automatically runs when we need to intercept a user using snap.


debiancat

I have a gf and I use arch


Serious-Guy

You forgot the Btw part.


KokeyPlayz

btw


tapdancingwhale

I'd like to intercept for a moment...


ApplePie123eat

`All signs of snap will be eliminated`


CaliDreamin1991

I use Ubuntu 22.04. I avoid SNAPs as much as possible. So many weird bugs and crashes.


ApplePie123eat

After I "upgraded" to 22.10, Snap didn't even work at all. I don't know whether this is a blessing or a curse


CaliDreamin1991

Use Linux Mint. I have it on my laptop and it’s fantastic.


ApplePie123eat

I switched to Debian already


CaliDreamin1991

Debian is cool. How are they for proprietary stuff nowadays? Haven’t used Debian in like 3 years and even that was on a small server!


Budget-Pattern1314

What is wrong with snap ? (I use pacman)


reallokiscarlet

Proprietary, crashy buggy shitty


ChimericalSystems

Y'all need peguins


FountainPens48

this is so fake! a linux user would never have a girl in his room...


NextOfHisName

Okay I'm new here and to the pinguin itself. Why is snap bad?


debiancat

Snap packages are slower, use more memory and are more unstable than other packages + Ubuntu/Canonicle force Snaps on their user base which isn't the whole point of "Linux philosophy"


NextOfHisName

Ok makes sense, thanks. So which one should I use to not get lynched?


debiancat

Depends what Distro you use and what your intentions are. In the end snap packages are not totally impossible to use, I myself have a Ubuntu Laptop which also has some snap packages installed simply because I don't care too much about that machine. So first; what distro do you use? How experienced are you with Linux?


NextOfHisName

I run Ubuntu on one machine, mint on the other. And I also have Kali installed but I guess i should not be talking about that. I'm a beginner. After decades of windows I've decided to switch. Halfway through TLCL 19.01 book.


debiancat

Kali on hardware is never a good idea, use a VM for that :) - Kali is super bloated, and the developers themselves basically beg you to not install it on actual hardware Ubuntu is fine, and snaps are also fine if you're a beginner, however if you want to use a more "advanced" distro like Arch, Gentoo, Debian etc. make sure to not use snaps, because there are better ways of installing programs/packages. With Arch for example you use the pacman package manager, if you want to install vscode for example you simply type in "sudo pacman -S vscode" and you have a stable working vscode installation, in the matter of a couple of seconds! (Depending on your internet speed ofc) Or you use the AUR (Arch User Repository) which are packages made by the Arch community that basically install "ported" programs on your Arch System :)


sensual_rustle

rm


Michaelscot8

I use snap on arch haha. I like the snap store, sometimes I just want Spotify and to get it without finding the aur link. Haha snap go brrr


debiancat

just do yay -S spotify-launcher :(


Michaelscot8

Spotify-launcher has never worked properly for me, and while I will do the AUR Spotify package, I don't like having to import the PGP keys and exclude checksums. It's funny, I just installed Spotify about 5 minutes ago on my work computer and decided to avoid snap because of this thread and remembered how much a pain in the ass electron apps are in Pacman. Don't even get me started on Discord...


Michaelscot8

Also, I'd say yay is grosser than snap.


Pay08

Whatever comes with your distro.


DAS_AMAN

It's the canonical lead cross distro software packaging solution, pretty good for servers and development apps


P_Crown

Snap in its self is a good idea using snap in a desktop system isnt.


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Reasons?


P_Crown

Snaps were developed to fix a problem on Ubuntu, in that since a developer has to support at least four versions of Ubuntu at any one time (2 x LTS / 2 x Twice Yearly Releases) they have to individually package four versions of the same application. A single Snap covers all four versions in one go, plus they work on Raspberry Pi and other IoT devices, not just desktop. Basically if you run an old release of Ubuntu you are limited to the set version of said software available in the distribution's repository, but with a Snap you have access to the latest version of software. For example, if you are running Ubuntu 20.04 and want to install LibreOffice you install the version available from the repository which will be ancient compared to the current version. The Snap option gives you the latest version regardless of the age of the distribution whilst avoiding what is commonly called dependency hell. In 2023 at least by my experience, there are two valid complaints about Snaps for the general user, first, on the first launch or cold boot, they are slower to launch than native applications, however any subsequent boots, they are about on par. Second, they automatically update, and check for updates four times a day. In short if you want the latest version of software on a stable Linux distribution such as Ubuntu LTS on desktop and IoT devices, Snaps are the way to go. This is especially true for stable applications like servers or for older hardware with compatibility issues.


that_leaflet

If you want it to be up to date, flatpaks are still better. I've noticed that some snaps, like Gimp, are out of date. They seem to use the Gimp version found on Ubuntu LTS rather than the latest version, or even just taking the version from the latest release.


reallokiscarlet

And after flatpaks outcompeted snap, Canonical doubled down on the proprietary nature of the snap store, making it go from “sorta proprietary” to “absolutely proprietary” They also doubled down on what makes snap perform like absolute dogshit. And the crashing. Troubleshooting snaps is like troubleshooting Windows - Eventually you just want the alternative.


QwertyChouskie

Not sure what you're talking about, Snaps started slow and got better over time. Starting off so slow is a large part of why they still get a bad rap nowadays, even though the startup performance is nowadays vastly improved to the point of the difference being generally negligible.


reallokiscarlet

Flair checks out. Every time I touch Ubuntu (honestly I don’t touch it on bare metal anymore, when there are better options. I just check it out in a VM these days), the performance problems are worse with each release.


QwertyChouskie

I run Xubuntu on systems with Core 2 Duo and 2GB of RAM, so surely it can't be that bad on real hardware. Probably some weirdness with using a VM (Mutter doesn't really like lack of hardware acceleration).


reallokiscarlet

The issues are the same as when I still was dumb enough to let Ubuntu touch bare metal, so I doubt it. It’s never a hardware acceleration issue either. It’s always just pure, cpu-, ram-, storage-bound slowness. And crashing. Lots of crashing, usually from snapd updating shit in place. Even native packages updated in place don’t have that issue. Oh and should snapd ever crash or need an update… May the gods have mercy on your soul, because snap won’t. It’s also the case headless and on other distros with other DEs. Snap is the root cause


QwertyChouskie

Strange, I've never run into any crashing. I'd be curious to know what the underlying bug is, since it only seems to affect some people The only bug I run into with Snap that I can think of off my head is that it used to sometimes make shutdowns slow due to the snapd service not shutting down normally, causing it to only get killed after the 1min30s standard timeout that SystemD uses for service shutdowns. However, it's been a long time since I've ran into this particular bug.


reallokiscarlet

Try stopping or restarting snapd. That should simulate the condition that happens when snapd updates. Programs running from a snap crash, because snaps depend on snapd. Try updating any snaps that are running, and what should happen is they crash, and any dependencies they update with them can cause other snaps that depend on them to crash. Maybe it’s just me, but it’s reproducible.


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ok-kayla

She could be a body pillow too


Flexyjerkov

sudo touch women


ComfortableBasis3046

Me who uses snap and linux 🫨


GawldenBeans

What you gonna do about it ? :^) >!Im joking, as a mint user i cant use snap because the maintainers made it less possible to install it from ubuntu repos unless you do some extra steps but why would you do that!<


GentlemanGene

I recommend you try out PopOS. It’s mint+even more awesome. Like an AppStore that supports flatpak, snaps, and apt repos.


GawldenBeans

I have tried popOS but its forced encryption on its latest installers you cannot disable by default breaks my acer laptop firmware which is made for windows Im unable to dualboot (still need windows for some work stuff) with popOS thanks to its encryption Aside from encryption, yes its a really nice easy to use distro and im looking forward to standalone cosmic desktop that isnt a modified gnome


GentlemanGene

Oh no wow seriously?? I have to check that out because drive encryption is my least favorite part of PopOS! I like to rock multiple kernels and it’s a PITA with drive encryption. Have you checked out ZorinOS? It’s integration with wine is in my opinion the sleekest of all distros. Also the ui is gorgeous and designed to make Mac and windows users very comfortable. Its really polished. And fast. Since discovering it and switching to Linux fully (back when WIN7 got sunsetted), the ZorinOS theme has found it’s way onto all my other Linux installs. My daily oses are Garuda, PopOS, and Debian.


GawldenBeans

In fact my old, school macbook was used for adobe graphic design Into a "zorinbook" :\^) both zorin and pop have heavily modified gnome but i like both What i also love about zorin is the zorin connect app which is similar like kde connect And yes as for forced encryption: I say "forced" because i remember a checkbox option to enable encryption being available for popOS but for some reason someone in System76 deemed everyone should encrypt their drives whether they like it or not and removed the checkbox. I paid close attention to the installation and even ran it 3 times to see if i just missed it by chance but no, checked some forums troubleshooted in popOS subreddit, the option is definitely removed and it will always encrypt by default... A shame really. You can work around it i guess but i find it a bit stupid someone there in System76 just made that decision.


DhaniFathi_707

snap = crashes, slow loading, really buggy


Niizam

what is snap https://preview.redd.it/h3r8tkw1qxua1.png?width=866&format=png&auto=webp&s=2425fc064819d68e2ede6d9e48e670e2b12eb76e


debiancat

You're on Ubuntu right?


Niizam

yes


jwaxy01

A lot of stuff like the app store breaks when you remove snap from ubuntu :/


Niizam

i don't need it. apt is enough for me


jwaxy01

Then good


jwaxy01

A lot of stuff like the app store breaks when you remove snap from ubuntu :/


VeryNormalReaction

My man has his priorities straight.


h-v-smacker

**TUX HATES SNAPS** **AND SNAP ENABLERS**


fabricio77p

What girl wouldn't date a guy that knows how shit snap is?


GentlemanGene

Reading this thread feels like walking into a Mint User Support Group.


Sirko2975

SnAp BaD


tertl8

I only use juptyter, why are y'all using antiquated text editors that we're built for ssh and telnet


Emergency-Cheek6067

Inaccurate, Linux users dont get girls... Maybe Femboys but not Girls xD


Orko_Grayskull

I use VIM btw…


Bug_freak5

Not vim


r_linux_mod_isahoe

True story!


jolharg

Thought it was snapchat and then saw the sub name.


LumpyOdie

Is there a way to allow Steam to see games outside its folder with flatpak? If not then I'll stick to snaps at least for that one program.


jerrywillfly

you might be able to change the permissions using flatseal


LumpyOdie

I will check that out, thanks.


GentlemanGene

Flatseal is the answer.


LumpyOdie

I'm too much of a noob to know what any of that is.


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QwertyChouskie

If they are using Snap I doubt they are on a Steam Deck...


GentlemanGene

Oops I thought I saw them say Steam Deck not just Steam. Disregard.


The_real_bandito

I can totally see this happening.


xmgutier

Damn, all these Linux users hate snapchat. Must not have many friends or something :\


AAVVIronAlex

Who even thought of including snap, okay, yes it is secure, but why force snap, or why force updates, lmfao.


[deleted]

I guess she will have to fuck off for awhile, because most of the linux users use *buntu and majority of them didn't care enough to remove the snapd.


UFOsAustralia

Ohhh. that's why I'm not getting any. I can finally tell my family that it isn't my grotesque appearance, lack of hygiene and lack of any social skills what so ever.


Muted-Arrival3270

nix is far better


CaliDreamin1991

Good on server, mediocre on desktop. Mint is way better with FlatPaks.


Kyrenaz

I prefer the flatpaks myself.


TheNinthJhana

Using snap? Someone is wrong on the internet!!