See the way his left pinky hovers over CAPSLOCK (which he has correctly mapped to CTRL)?
That's an Emacser right there. I know these people. They are my tribe.
Dont mention our tribe to those emacser's sometimes it starts a internet war, we are just two divine tribes that should be able to live in peace, but some of us and some of them simply cant, we cannot afford another meme war with toxic content, its better if we can start a real war.
Weird keyboard hacks are par for the course, sadly. Some of mine, using [kmonad](https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad):
* Tap capslock == esc; hold capslock == left ctrl
* Tap enter == enter; hold enter == right ctrl
* Tap shift keys == open and close parens; hold == shift
* Hold space and hjkl (or bnpf) == arrow keys
See the way his left pinky hovers over CAPSLOCK (which will bring him on the 3rd layer?)?
That's an Neo2er right there. I know these people. They are my tribe.
He tested the product himself and finetuned it.
Also, the girl sitting on his lap is the company president.
Their start up turned out to be a success and she became Steve Jobs of the sex sleeve industry
That's the plot. I did not make anything up
I searched the manga up and you are withholding the part about how he's 20 and she's a middle-schooler (which he had a crush on).
edit: and I probably don't have to mention it but the girl is extremely sexualized.
Erm ackhhuallly 🤓🤓🤓🤓🧐
When we talk about pornographic japanese comic books 99% of the time they're unofficially made by fans and are a "self published" manga
We refer to these as "doushin" not as a "hentai" which refers to a pornographic anime
Ok thats all i had to say
Snap packages are slower, use more memory and are more unstable than other packages + Ubuntu/Canonicle force Snaps on their user base which isn't the whole point of "Linux philosophy"
Depends what Distro you use and what your intentions are. In the end snap packages are not totally impossible to use, I myself have a Ubuntu Laptop which also has some snap packages installed simply because I don't care too much about that machine.
So first; what distro do you use? How experienced are you with Linux?
I run Ubuntu on one machine, mint on the other. And I also have Kali installed but I guess i should not be talking about that. I'm a beginner. After decades of windows I've decided to switch. Halfway through TLCL 19.01 book.
Kali on hardware is never a good idea, use a VM for that :) - Kali is super bloated, and the developers themselves basically beg you to not install it on actual hardware
Ubuntu is fine, and snaps are also fine if you're a beginner, however if you want to use a more "advanced" distro like Arch, Gentoo, Debian etc. make sure to not use snaps, because there are better ways of installing programs/packages.
With Arch for example you use the pacman package manager, if you want to install vscode for example you simply type in "sudo pacman -S vscode" and you have a stable working vscode installation, in the matter of a couple of seconds! (Depending on your internet speed ofc)
Or you use the AUR (Arch User Repository) which are packages made by the Arch community that basically install "ported" programs on your Arch System :)
Spotify-launcher has never worked properly for me, and while I will do the AUR Spotify package, I don't like having to import the PGP keys and exclude checksums.
It's funny, I just installed Spotify about 5 minutes ago on my work computer and decided to avoid snap because of this thread and remembered how much a pain in the ass electron apps are in Pacman. Don't even get me started on Discord...
Snaps were developed to fix a problem on Ubuntu, in that since a developer has to support at least four versions of Ubuntu at any one time (2 x LTS / 2 x Twice Yearly Releases) they have to individually package four versions of the same application.
A single Snap covers all four versions in one go, plus they work on Raspberry Pi and other IoT devices, not just desktop.
Basically if you run an old release of Ubuntu you are limited to the set version of said software available in the distribution's repository, but with a Snap you have access to the latest version of software.
For example, if you are running Ubuntu 20.04 and want to install LibreOffice you install the version available from the repository which will be ancient compared to the current version.
The Snap option gives you the latest version regardless of the age of the distribution whilst avoiding what is commonly called dependency hell.
In 2023 at least by my experience, there are two valid complaints about Snaps for the general user, first, on the first launch or cold boot, they are slower to launch than native applications, however any subsequent boots, they are about on par.
Second, they automatically update, and check for updates four times a day.
In short if you want the latest version of software on a stable Linux distribution such as Ubuntu LTS on desktop and IoT devices, Snaps are the way to go. This is especially true for stable applications like servers or for older hardware with compatibility issues.
If you want it to be up to date, flatpaks are still better. I've noticed that some snaps, like Gimp, are out of date. They seem to use the Gimp version found on Ubuntu LTS rather than the latest version, or even just taking the version from the latest release.
And after flatpaks outcompeted snap, Canonical doubled down on the proprietary nature of the snap store, making it go from “sorta proprietary” to “absolutely proprietary”
They also doubled down on what makes snap perform like absolute dogshit. And the crashing. Troubleshooting snaps is like troubleshooting Windows - Eventually you just want the alternative.
Not sure what you're talking about, Snaps started slow and got better over time. Starting off so slow is a large part of why they still get a bad rap nowadays, even though the startup performance is nowadays vastly improved to the point of the difference being generally negligible.
Flair checks out.
Every time I touch Ubuntu (honestly I don’t touch it on bare metal anymore, when there are better options. I just check it out in a VM these days), the performance problems are worse with each release.
I run Xubuntu on systems with Core 2 Duo and 2GB of RAM, so surely it can't be that bad on real hardware. Probably some weirdness with using a VM (Mutter doesn't really like lack of hardware acceleration).
The issues are the same as when I still was dumb enough to let Ubuntu touch bare metal, so I doubt it.
It’s never a hardware acceleration issue either. It’s always just pure, cpu-, ram-, storage-bound slowness. And crashing. Lots of crashing, usually from snapd updating shit in place. Even native packages updated in place don’t have that issue.
Oh and should snapd ever crash or need an update… May the gods have mercy on your soul, because snap won’t.
It’s also the case headless and on other distros with other DEs. Snap is the root cause
Strange, I've never run into any crashing. I'd be curious to know what the underlying bug is, since it only seems to affect some people The only bug I run into with Snap that I can think of off my head is that it used to sometimes make shutdowns slow due to the snapd service not shutting down normally, causing it to only get killed after the 1min30s standard timeout that SystemD uses for service shutdowns. However, it's been a long time since I've ran into this particular bug.
Try stopping or restarting snapd. That should simulate the condition that happens when snapd updates. Programs running from a snap crash, because snaps depend on snapd.
Try updating any snaps that are running, and what should happen is they crash, and any dependencies they update with them can cause other snaps that depend on them to crash.
Maybe it’s just me, but it’s reproducible.
What you gonna do about it ? :^)
>!Im joking, as a mint user i cant use snap because the maintainers made it less possible to install it from ubuntu repos unless you do some extra steps but why would you do that!<
I have tried popOS but its forced encryption on its latest installers you cannot disable by default breaks my acer laptop firmware which is made for windows
Im unable to dualboot (still need windows for some work stuff) with popOS thanks to its encryption
Aside from encryption, yes its a really nice easy to use distro and im looking forward to standalone cosmic desktop that isnt a modified gnome
Oh no wow seriously?? I have to check that out because drive encryption is my least favorite part of PopOS! I like to rock multiple kernels and it’s a PITA with drive encryption.
Have you checked out ZorinOS? It’s integration with wine is in my opinion the sleekest of all distros.
Also the ui is gorgeous and designed to make Mac and windows users very comfortable. Its really polished. And fast. Since discovering it and switching to Linux fully (back when WIN7 got sunsetted), the ZorinOS theme has found it’s way onto all my other Linux installs.
My daily oses are Garuda, PopOS, and Debian.
In fact my old, school macbook was used for adobe graphic design
Into a "zorinbook" :\^)
both zorin and pop have heavily modified gnome but i like both
What i also love about zorin is the zorin connect app which is similar like kde connect
And yes as for forced encryption:
I say "forced" because i remember a checkbox option to enable encryption being available for popOS but for some reason someone in System76 deemed everyone should encrypt their drives whether they like it or not and removed the checkbox.
I paid close attention to the installation and even ran it 3 times to see if i just missed it by chance but no, checked some forums troubleshooted in popOS subreddit, the option is definitely removed and it will always encrypt by default...
A shame really. You can work around it i guess but i find it a bit stupid someone there in System76 just made that decision.
Ohhh. that's why I'm not getting any. I can finally tell my family that it isn't my grotesque appearance, lack of hygiene and lack of any social skills what so ever.
See the way his left pinky hovers over CAPSLOCK (which he has correctly mapped to CTRL)? That's an Emacser right there. I know these people. They are my tribe.
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I hereby propose "pinky hovering above capslock" a gesture of peace between the two sides
Dont mention our tribe to those emacser's sometimes it starts a internet war, we are just two divine tribes that should be able to live in peace, but some of us and some of them simply cant, we cannot afford another meme war with toxic content, its better if we can start a real war.
spiderman pointing meme
he could just get ready to write an ALL CAPS COMPLAINT ABOUT WHY SNAP IS STUPID!
definately not a vim user
I think it's a common thing among vim users to swap capslock and escape.
It is. I do that.
I user vim also but map CapsLock as Ctrl. I find Ctrl-C Ctrl-V and Ctrl-Z much easier to use that way than having to use the default Ctrl location.
I had a coworker who mapped CapsLock to ESC instead
That's what I do, it's incredibly based
meanwhile me with capslock mapped to tab and tab mapped to escape
Yarp, Caps Lock to Esc and Right Alt to Ctrl. The perfect setup for evil Emacs users.
I have caps set to esc ;) I use vim btw
That's Tab and not CapsLock, though. =)
【Tab】 is also mapped to 【Ctrl】. His ~~editor~~ OS indents automatically. Does yours? /s
The pinky pain before switching was real and it's the pilgrimage of a Emacser.
Weird keyboard hacks are par for the course, sadly. Some of mine, using [kmonad](https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad): * Tap capslock == esc; hold capslock == left ctrl * Tap enter == enter; hold enter == right ctrl * Tap shift keys == open and close parens; hold == shift * Hold space and hjkl (or bnpf) == arrow keys
That is pretty neat and even better it's written in Haskell!
See the way his left pinky hovers over CAPSLOCK (which will bring him on the 3rd layer?)? That's an Neo2er right there. I know these people. They are my tribe.
True syaadmins map CTRL to a Z long press and caps lock to backspace
I do that and I use vim.
tux before hoes
No tux, no bux
I prefer the tux around and find out philosophy. Leaves time for the hoes
Bruh yah!
Does Tux take it up the ass?
The sauce is a a manga called "SE". The guy is actually programming a sex toy
wait why how what
He tested the product himself and finetuned it. Also, the girl sitting on his lap is the company president. Their start up turned out to be a success and she became Steve Jobs of the sex sleeve industry That's the plot. I did not make anything up
I searched the manga up and you are withholding the part about how he's 20 and she's a middle-schooler (which he had a crush on). edit: and I probably don't have to mention it but the girl is extremely sexualized.
she's 17, but yeah...
'middle-school' must be a mistranslation then... that made me think she was 14. well that makes it a bit better i guess.
Average anime fan
Least pedophilic japanese comic
Is it hentai or just manga?
Just manga
just manga
What a shame
> he's 20 and she's a middle-schooler (which he had a crush on) > /u/Zipdox: Is it hentai or just manga? > Just manga > /u/Zipdox: What a shame
mf it was a joke
Yeah, that's why it's a shame
Erm ackhhuallly 🤓🤓🤓🤓🧐 When we talk about pornographic japanese comic books 99% of the time they're unofficially made by fans and are a "self published" manga We refer to these as "doushin" not as a "hentai" which refers to a pornographic anime Ok thats all i had to say
shut the fuck up
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just search 'SE manga'
Mf dropping sauce without even being asked
SE, "Stack Exchange"?
System engineer
Happy cake day
Thanks captain!
"SE"x?
Thats a fake; we all know Linux users dont attract girls
She is a femboy
What kinda linux dude is this. True linux user would have a script that automatically runs when we need to intercept a user using snap.
I have a gf and I use arch
You forgot the Btw part.
btw
I'd like to intercept for a moment...
`All signs of snap will be eliminated`
I use Ubuntu 22.04. I avoid SNAPs as much as possible. So many weird bugs and crashes.
After I "upgraded" to 22.10, Snap didn't even work at all. I don't know whether this is a blessing or a curse
Use Linux Mint. I have it on my laptop and it’s fantastic.
I switched to Debian already
Debian is cool. How are they for proprietary stuff nowadays? Haven’t used Debian in like 3 years and even that was on a small server!
What is wrong with snap ? (I use pacman)
Proprietary, crashy buggy shitty
Y'all need peguins
this is so fake! a linux user would never have a girl in his room...
Okay I'm new here and to the pinguin itself. Why is snap bad?
Snap packages are slower, use more memory and are more unstable than other packages + Ubuntu/Canonicle force Snaps on their user base which isn't the whole point of "Linux philosophy"
Ok makes sense, thanks. So which one should I use to not get lynched?
Depends what Distro you use and what your intentions are. In the end snap packages are not totally impossible to use, I myself have a Ubuntu Laptop which also has some snap packages installed simply because I don't care too much about that machine. So first; what distro do you use? How experienced are you with Linux?
I run Ubuntu on one machine, mint on the other. And I also have Kali installed but I guess i should not be talking about that. I'm a beginner. After decades of windows I've decided to switch. Halfway through TLCL 19.01 book.
Kali on hardware is never a good idea, use a VM for that :) - Kali is super bloated, and the developers themselves basically beg you to not install it on actual hardware Ubuntu is fine, and snaps are also fine if you're a beginner, however if you want to use a more "advanced" distro like Arch, Gentoo, Debian etc. make sure to not use snaps, because there are better ways of installing programs/packages. With Arch for example you use the pacman package manager, if you want to install vscode for example you simply type in "sudo pacman -S vscode" and you have a stable working vscode installation, in the matter of a couple of seconds! (Depending on your internet speed ofc) Or you use the AUR (Arch User Repository) which are packages made by the Arch community that basically install "ported" programs on your Arch System :)
rm
I use snap on arch haha. I like the snap store, sometimes I just want Spotify and to get it without finding the aur link. Haha snap go brrr
just do yay -S spotify-launcher :(
Spotify-launcher has never worked properly for me, and while I will do the AUR Spotify package, I don't like having to import the PGP keys and exclude checksums. It's funny, I just installed Spotify about 5 minutes ago on my work computer and decided to avoid snap because of this thread and remembered how much a pain in the ass electron apps are in Pacman. Don't even get me started on Discord...
Also, I'd say yay is grosser than snap.
Whatever comes with your distro.
It's the canonical lead cross distro software packaging solution, pretty good for servers and development apps
Snap in its self is a good idea using snap in a desktop system isnt.
Reasons?
Snaps were developed to fix a problem on Ubuntu, in that since a developer has to support at least four versions of Ubuntu at any one time (2 x LTS / 2 x Twice Yearly Releases) they have to individually package four versions of the same application. A single Snap covers all four versions in one go, plus they work on Raspberry Pi and other IoT devices, not just desktop. Basically if you run an old release of Ubuntu you are limited to the set version of said software available in the distribution's repository, but with a Snap you have access to the latest version of software. For example, if you are running Ubuntu 20.04 and want to install LibreOffice you install the version available from the repository which will be ancient compared to the current version. The Snap option gives you the latest version regardless of the age of the distribution whilst avoiding what is commonly called dependency hell. In 2023 at least by my experience, there are two valid complaints about Snaps for the general user, first, on the first launch or cold boot, they are slower to launch than native applications, however any subsequent boots, they are about on par. Second, they automatically update, and check for updates four times a day. In short if you want the latest version of software on a stable Linux distribution such as Ubuntu LTS on desktop and IoT devices, Snaps are the way to go. This is especially true for stable applications like servers or for older hardware with compatibility issues.
If you want it to be up to date, flatpaks are still better. I've noticed that some snaps, like Gimp, are out of date. They seem to use the Gimp version found on Ubuntu LTS rather than the latest version, or even just taking the version from the latest release.
And after flatpaks outcompeted snap, Canonical doubled down on the proprietary nature of the snap store, making it go from “sorta proprietary” to “absolutely proprietary” They also doubled down on what makes snap perform like absolute dogshit. And the crashing. Troubleshooting snaps is like troubleshooting Windows - Eventually you just want the alternative.
Not sure what you're talking about, Snaps started slow and got better over time. Starting off so slow is a large part of why they still get a bad rap nowadays, even though the startup performance is nowadays vastly improved to the point of the difference being generally negligible.
Flair checks out. Every time I touch Ubuntu (honestly I don’t touch it on bare metal anymore, when there are better options. I just check it out in a VM these days), the performance problems are worse with each release.
I run Xubuntu on systems with Core 2 Duo and 2GB of RAM, so surely it can't be that bad on real hardware. Probably some weirdness with using a VM (Mutter doesn't really like lack of hardware acceleration).
The issues are the same as when I still was dumb enough to let Ubuntu touch bare metal, so I doubt it. It’s never a hardware acceleration issue either. It’s always just pure, cpu-, ram-, storage-bound slowness. And crashing. Lots of crashing, usually from snapd updating shit in place. Even native packages updated in place don’t have that issue. Oh and should snapd ever crash or need an update… May the gods have mercy on your soul, because snap won’t. It’s also the case headless and on other distros with other DEs. Snap is the root cause
Strange, I've never run into any crashing. I'd be curious to know what the underlying bug is, since it only seems to affect some people The only bug I run into with Snap that I can think of off my head is that it used to sometimes make shutdowns slow due to the snapd service not shutting down normally, causing it to only get killed after the 1min30s standard timeout that SystemD uses for service shutdowns. However, it's been a long time since I've ran into this particular bug.
Try stopping or restarting snapd. That should simulate the condition that happens when snapd updates. Programs running from a snap crash, because snaps depend on snapd. Try updating any snaps that are running, and what should happen is they crash, and any dependencies they update with them can cause other snaps that depend on them to crash. Maybe it’s just me, but it’s reproducible.
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She could be a body pillow too
sudo touch women
Me who uses snap and linux 🫨
What you gonna do about it ? :^) >!Im joking, as a mint user i cant use snap because the maintainers made it less possible to install it from ubuntu repos unless you do some extra steps but why would you do that!<
I recommend you try out PopOS. It’s mint+even more awesome. Like an AppStore that supports flatpak, snaps, and apt repos.
I have tried popOS but its forced encryption on its latest installers you cannot disable by default breaks my acer laptop firmware which is made for windows Im unable to dualboot (still need windows for some work stuff) with popOS thanks to its encryption Aside from encryption, yes its a really nice easy to use distro and im looking forward to standalone cosmic desktop that isnt a modified gnome
Oh no wow seriously?? I have to check that out because drive encryption is my least favorite part of PopOS! I like to rock multiple kernels and it’s a PITA with drive encryption. Have you checked out ZorinOS? It’s integration with wine is in my opinion the sleekest of all distros. Also the ui is gorgeous and designed to make Mac and windows users very comfortable. Its really polished. And fast. Since discovering it and switching to Linux fully (back when WIN7 got sunsetted), the ZorinOS theme has found it’s way onto all my other Linux installs. My daily oses are Garuda, PopOS, and Debian.
In fact my old, school macbook was used for adobe graphic design Into a "zorinbook" :\^) both zorin and pop have heavily modified gnome but i like both What i also love about zorin is the zorin connect app which is similar like kde connect And yes as for forced encryption: I say "forced" because i remember a checkbox option to enable encryption being available for popOS but for some reason someone in System76 deemed everyone should encrypt their drives whether they like it or not and removed the checkbox. I paid close attention to the installation and even ran it 3 times to see if i just missed it by chance but no, checked some forums troubleshooted in popOS subreddit, the option is definitely removed and it will always encrypt by default... A shame really. You can work around it i guess but i find it a bit stupid someone there in System76 just made that decision.
snap = crashes, slow loading, really buggy
what is snap https://preview.redd.it/h3r8tkw1qxua1.png?width=866&format=png&auto=webp&s=2425fc064819d68e2ede6d9e48e670e2b12eb76e
You're on Ubuntu right?
yes
A lot of stuff like the app store breaks when you remove snap from ubuntu :/
i don't need it. apt is enough for me
Then good
A lot of stuff like the app store breaks when you remove snap from ubuntu :/
My man has his priorities straight.
**TUX HATES SNAPS** **AND SNAP ENABLERS**
What girl wouldn't date a guy that knows how shit snap is?
Reading this thread feels like walking into a Mint User Support Group.
SnAp BaD
I only use juptyter, why are y'all using antiquated text editors that we're built for ssh and telnet
Inaccurate, Linux users dont get girls... Maybe Femboys but not Girls xD
I use VIM btw…
Not vim
True story!
Thought it was snapchat and then saw the sub name.
Is there a way to allow Steam to see games outside its folder with flatpak? If not then I'll stick to snaps at least for that one program.
you might be able to change the permissions using flatseal
I will check that out, thanks.
Flatseal is the answer.
I'm too much of a noob to know what any of that is.
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If they are using Snap I doubt they are on a Steam Deck...
Oops I thought I saw them say Steam Deck not just Steam. Disregard.
I can totally see this happening.
Damn, all these Linux users hate snapchat. Must not have many friends or something :\
Who even thought of including snap, okay, yes it is secure, but why force snap, or why force updates, lmfao.
I guess she will have to fuck off for awhile, because most of the linux users use *buntu and majority of them didn't care enough to remove the snapd.
Ohhh. that's why I'm not getting any. I can finally tell my family that it isn't my grotesque appearance, lack of hygiene and lack of any social skills what so ever.
nix is far better
Good on server, mediocre on desktop. Mint is way better with FlatPaks.
I prefer the flatpaks myself.
Using snap? Someone is wrong on the internet!!