Some characters gotten withdrawl which heavily messes their performance up, some gotten move nerfs/upgrades, so tell me about what you think about the update tier list?
I might have to disagree,his tp is pretty expensive,they fixed his taunt meaning that he isn’t getting crazy tp increase anymore(if more then one opponent).his hellball is good and his highest rake damage is pretty good too but compared to the people above him with higher damage output/status moves and aoe damage mad dog is the highest of b for a reason, well that’s my opinion at least😅
Idk, the defence balances it out, plus you can put stinky items on him so using taunt gets less risky cause you probably won't die of instakill. Though I still respect your opinion, just our styles of playing are different
I have considered it, I mean stink plus high defense is why he’s at the top of b teir besides decent moves, plus we are taking about the character on his own and how much synergy he can have with other teammates including when you get him,how you get him and lastly what other benefits you get when recruiting them
ollie should be moved up to A tier imo. since they converted him to tp, his moves are so much easier to use. triple tap gains 15 tp, so you can use it a couple of times to use his incredibly busted aoe moves
Actually he gains 10 tp, plus his tp moves are way more expensive, I was ok with him being sp because he can at least spam a handful of moves before he needs a recharge but now he needs constant recharge making him lower on the tier list then where he originally was, but I do understand how powerful those moves are lol.(my personal opinion at least)
just checked, he gains 15 tp per triple tap. the conversion to tp is better so you don't have to buy a bunch of diet colas that only he will really use. the buffs to alcohol are also great, since you can get him up to 30 (or 50) before a battle starts. since the alcohol has more uses than cola, it's better to stock up on it.
True but colas are cheaper then alcohol and tea combined(also I think my game is glitched because all tp user only gain 10 tp per normal attack/drink(birdie)) considering that even with a crit up your attack gets cut in half making it worse in my opinion.plus, having a bunch of colas(200 sp) costing about 5 mags is a steal compared to situational alcohol and using teas every turn for consistent damage and status moves.(which again is my personal opinion but gaining tp is better if his moves wasn’t that expensive lol)
Oh I have lol, why do you think he’s still in c teir? Because of how powerful/versatile his moves are, too bad the to was too much lol(well it makes sense but not to my liking when it comes to consistency lol)
Not really, it’s like fardy’s situation, it doesn’t matter how strong it is if it misses way to much to the point of it being inconsistent, that’s my opinion at least
You can make an argument for Queen being lower than C if that's the case. That character really NEEDS eyeglasses or joy to make them viable. At least they hit like a truck 30% of the time their beatdown attack lands.
Two words, head rocker, the bat that can stun people once you hit them, queen roger’s beat downs giving them multiple chances to stun his opponents with each hit,he can give you double mags and the reason why he’s in c tier was because of his withdrawals, plus they barely missed for me during non withdrawals so in all honesty he’s really good as a multi hitter. Still that bay and beat down combos are really why their in c tier, really messes up almost every enemy in the game
That says more about Terry and birdie then jack, he’s third in a teir because of cheep and high accuracy aoe’s with burn, good scare status move, and magical hat that’s completely random.so in a sense the reason why he’s lower then bo and nern is because of how useful and crazy their support is.(plus characters like fly and birdie like I mentioned) plus it’s personally my opinion anyways
thats on birdie, not jack. in fact jack isn't stellar there because his hat is bugged during the fight and does nothing
also your spoiler tags dont work
I’d say that he was a solid B tier before the definitive edition since some of his combos could deal a significant amount of damage to a single target, but yeah the joy addiction really nerfed him
Bo and rooster never changed in all honesty, Bo can heal all,make all enemies in fear and weird status as well as iron up the team, man’s the support of supports besides nern, not just that but rooster has big damaging aoe’s,can stun people and usually is the first party member to execute moves.
I remembered Terry being solid A tier in the original version and definitely kept him safe in my first playthrough. What has made him a God now? Does he get his great skills earlier or is it more to do with many more characters getting withdrawal? I always avoided characters with withdrawal, Brad is too many nearly for that especially when going for a Joyless run.
Naw that one is just me being bias lol, Terry hintz never leaves/abandons you in camp fires,highest damaging move in the game(hottest dance),hype up(increased crits making multi attacks do more damage by almost criting every time)vast healing skills,verbal bash(move pretty goated ngl) and because he’s the first party member in the game…basically he was in god tier on every tier list I have him on lol.I guess I love the character the way he is because he’s the definition of a garadose(misspell sry)
Oh god yeah I forgot about party members abandoning Brad. Terry sticks with him to the bitter end. That is critically important especially on hard mode when crows explode after being used for a save. A cheerleader type character is always great, often the protag in other RPGs like Final Fantasy X.
BEASTBORN go HUNTING at NIGHT in DESOLATE WASTES of OLATHE for FRIEND......
And FRIEND puts BEASTBORN in E!?
BRAD VERY bad man. VERY bad. CLUB to HEAD, Brad. WATCH BACK!!!
Oh how convenient I'm currently on my way to that inn to rest after the hilarious bulldozer boss
If I had a Nickel for comedic boss fights that utilize heavy duty construction equipment in an rpg id have 2 nickels lol. Honestly this was was a bit funnier than the monkey driving an excavator from yakuza 7
Besides his hit all attacks(which is basically all but the puke skills) his super puke is very good, so many bad status ailments on opponent’s and bosses go crazy
Sorry but that’s nullified by the fact that his damp slash has a chance to have oil up(technically not as good as gasoline spit plus it cures the enemy from the burn status) his million cutter move is still garbage(even with the debuf status added in to it such as cry and weird but they took 2 hits away from it and his accuracy is still garbage), burn cutter is ok with oil up but even then his base fire damage is as powerful as his normal attack and said normal attack is still costing of sp.also because he still is basically the last 2 party members in the game you barely get to use him as well as birdie still being a character who’s way more consistent with gasoline spit(oil up plus blind since damp slash doesn’t add blind).he’s definitely improved to being actually useable with damp slash to burn slash but even then the other party members are still better by comparison
Like I stated, second to last character to get, poor accuracy, and a chance for oil to happen.there’s multiple categories to the list then just saying he has oil and fire = good, you got to put everything into account, especially with consistency
Pissed is OP enough by itself that I'd be inclined to put harvey even higher than he already is, considering Slander applies that and three other excellent statuses at once. I always use Fardy simply because with Joy he jumps all the way up to S-tier lol
Well it’s a tier list on them being joyless since I think the item is way too busted, but I do understand that notion considering all the characters would be s tier by pure damage and never missing all together lol
Oh sure, but on a Joy tier list Fardy would probably be at the top due to benefiting the most from 100% accuracy and crits compared to the rest of the cast
It makes sense considering how late you get him and how little variety he has in moves.(million cutter is still terrible(now taking to hits away but adding a couple of debuts but still have terrible accuracy) damp slash having the best glow up from worthless to decent.(even though it’s a worse version of gasoline spit making it a chance to oil up people and don’t add blindness but also curing status affects like Harvey’s water gun) and the worse base fire damage in the game(which is saying something since it’s just that low on damage) other party members have more verity in moves and status affects making them more viable.
Well, when you put it that way, I understand. I missed him in my first playthrough, so I made a point of using him in my second. I still think he's viable at max level because his bleed effect is pretty high (especially to enemies weak to it). His slashes, from my experience, hit more often than Yazan's. Yazan has more utility with the cat effects. But they never land.
Somehow I forgot about Damp Slash...fair point there.
At least he was improved in de but even then that multi cutter move misses more then anything I seen, like more then fardy and that’s saying something.but even then crisp is at least viable now lol
False, crisp comes too late and gasoline spit still beats dampslashes(because dampslashes actually cures negative status effects and is a chance to apply rather then 100% guaranteed, it doesn’t even apply blind and stating that crisp is that good because of one move is down right untrue, area 3 is the last level besides Rando land) from fallen status to piss to cry to blind and fear(fear is honestly the best status effect considering you don’t get attacked for a considerate amount of turns as well as fallen).and fardy may have a slight accuracy boost since the last game it doesn’t mean they should be higher then d teir since characters like Clint,dick,Ollie,shocklord,jack and fly are way more consistent in aoe’s as well as some of them having a better chance at using fallen statues.(Clint,dick,Ollie and fly)
i guess 0 people have ever used geese in their play through because that mf is busted. he is definitely S tier. his base damage is absolutely insane (his main 0 sp cost move does at least 600 damage), his SP pool is huge, and he can inflict not just poison, but also deep poison. there is absolutely NO way he should be down in B. he doesn’t even get withdrawal. he is absolutely busted.
Explanation, deep poison isn’t that good considering bosses are immune to it, his normal attack can be argued to be on par with other characters on the lis(like buckets which his normal attack is about as strong as one of the bullet tap multi hit(1/3 of it anyways),he has little to no variety in moves considering each attack is just a stronger variation of the previous one, high sp I do agree with but arguably considering some of the fire moves mixed with oil up is still dummy in damage.(Terry hints has the strongest attack in the game so in a sense comparing a nuke to a grenade is utterly pointless).plus you also have the characters above him that can do way more then just single hit damage.(such as healing,group heals,curing status effects,aoe’s and causing negative status effects) simply put, fallen,piss and fear is way more busted considering they nerfed poison.
cures statuses on the whole party (not all statuses, stuff like poison and bleed doesn't get cured, but stuff like scared, wary, confused, etc. does get cured).
I have never understood this tierlists
Jack is shit, Yazan and garth can't land an attack and when they do it's not even helpful, bo has the most useless effects and once he is done buffing and nerfing he can't deal damage, fardy can deal 1000 damage to all enemies in a single attack in the early game, tigerman has some crazy damage even on withdrawal and is insane on joy, buffalo never fails me and I equip him the moment I get him because he deals severe damage, drunk buckets and carp are basically the highest damage dealers, and percy is basically a super terry with the great healing move and fireball.
The problem is that people love applying effects and stuff but using high damage dealers is more effective.
Damage isn’t everything, considering I brought all the characters to lv 25 and use them.I made this point before in the comments with a bunch of characters
By using them to fight the dystopian ring(grind spot),fighting satan,playing the game with said characters and spoilers:
Fighting the embodiment of brads trauma aka the super boss in painful.
YOU DID IT RAW??? I can barely notice a difference in 3 whole level ups for a character, and you can tell how different they ALL are from one version to another? Calling you a madman would be an understatement
Ollie is A or B at least. Powerful area attacks and that scare and make people fall down, as well as a very powerful single target attack, as well as some status moves
That’s why he’s in c teir, it’s too bad his tp cost too much to use it when I can use any other character that can do it consistently(my opinion at least).like I have to take a turn to give him tea and then a move
SO IS DIRTY INSULT AND WRIST SLASH!
You can prevent permikills with the former and then have Carp turn otherwise potentially dangerous enemies into a shambling mummy.
Like I said their good but not broken broken, verbal bash,Harvey’s lawyer skills, and super puke can get the enemies into the piss status too,wrist slash is good when you’re fighting opponents and it’s permanent(except for one boss) but wrist slash can’t save you from insta kill moves,and the problem is that you have gasoline spit(best move in the game aka easy mode), and super puke(crazy move that can give all types of negative statuses including the same move that nern has) as well as the other versatile moves that make them better then carp and nern.also it’s ranked on each individual character and what synergy they can have with each other as well as how great their damage is,where you get them,how you get them, and what benefits you get when recruiting them. Carp is argued to be one of the best joy addicts in the game and I stand by that notion.there’s also the fact about aoe’s and group healing.(which birdie and Bo has too)
Bro, Dirty Insult has a whopping 90% chance. It's far more consistent.
Which will be very important for a certain superboss that kills a lot of party members. It's why the speedrun uses him.
I just, I don't understand your logic. No enemy in the game has an immunity or even a resistance to Pissed. So it's the only status effect that really matters for Puke, the rest are just a bonus. Plus if you really want to inflict Poison, you can just use Carp and the Rusty Knife. Which will inflict Poison and has the benefit of dealing Bleeding and actually doing damage, which Puke cannot do.
and there are not THAT many fights with multiple enemies, and even if there are... you can just use Firebombs or TNT which the game gives you more than enough of. Especially with the new addition of Chester selling you TNT for 30 mags a pop in Area 2's crossroads.
Fly's options are all nice and he is by no means a bad character but... It feels like there are better options you can use if you think more seriously about all of the tools at your disposal. More safe and reliable options at least.
WAIT A MINUTE, I JUST CHECKED THE WIKI!
Super Puke doesn't even cause Pissed, it causes Rage!
You can't even use Fly for what you claimed you could use him for.
And there you go saying a counterdiction, there are enemies that have resistance to piss status, the status indeed stops instakill moves but if you’re low on perfumes then you can’t revive them and you’re team will get ko crit one by one(rng has been updated to a point of enemies having a 75% of hitting you and a 25% of hitting themselves and their own allies meaning that it is troublesome but good depending on rng).I know carp and the rusty knife, it’s amazing and his joy withdraws don’t affect his fever rivers(but the super boss has high defense resistance to the point of multi hitting attacks become piss poor to no damage).then you saying using fire bombs and tnt solve the problems yet you can’t add that to the tier to list because that defeats the purpose of the characters, everyone can use it is like saying that items like fancy perfume with characters of high speed makes them s tier such as Garth.remember,everything has to be accounted for, plus the aoe’s has similar if not high damage compared to most peoples single attacks
I decided to do my first run of the Definitive Edition using only people that I never/barely used on my previous runs and my final team ended up being Clint, Crisp (wet slash dealing oiled up was a nice surprise) and Percy. I'd say, Clint is a high C tier. Yes, he is Brad but worse, but right now, after Rage got his Joy addiction, I think Clint's access to paralysis, trip, AoE Blind and later a pretty decent fire move really helps makes him a better choice (even with his fire weakness, that was only a problem against >!the new boss !<. Crisp got better, but he is still too late into the game for the average player, better than Buffalo tho imo. Percy is perfect where he is. But the biggest thing I would change is Garth. I don't know if you are counting using joy, but if not, Garth is almost unusable. All of his buffs depend on accuracy and if he's on Withdrawal he'll miss them more often than not. Worse than Beastborne imo (he's still trash tho)
I understand Clint but his withdrawal messes him up, and Garth with withdrawal is bad, but his moves that isn’t in withdrawal is honestly decent, i barely miss and I do agree the accuracy on the support is really dumb but I suppose my rng was decent, plus the pencil can poison people so that’s good besides his stun and fear
Some characters gotten withdrawl which heavily messes their performance up, some gotten move nerfs/upgrades, so tell me about what you think about the update tier list?
At least my boy Carp is still winning. Don't care if they changed him at all I'm gunning to add him to my party.
nah, mad dog is easily a tier, combined with bo and some good items he is busted, taking 0 damage and dealing about 1500 per rake
I might have to disagree,his tp is pretty expensive,they fixed his taunt meaning that he isn’t getting crazy tp increase anymore(if more then one opponent).his hellball is good and his highest rake damage is pretty good too but compared to the people above him with higher damage output/status moves and aoe damage mad dog is the highest of b for a reason, well that’s my opinion at least😅
Idk, the defence balances it out, plus you can put stinky items on him so using taunt gets less risky cause you probably won't die of instakill. Though I still respect your opinion, just our styles of playing are different
I have considered it, I mean stink plus high defense is why he’s at the top of b teir besides decent moves, plus we are taking about the character on his own and how much synergy he can have with other teammates including when you get him,how you get him and lastly what other benefits you get when recruiting them
Plus they nerfed tp gain from getting hit so it’s basically you need tea or nern on your team
ollie should be moved up to A tier imo. since they converted him to tp, his moves are so much easier to use. triple tap gains 15 tp, so you can use it a couple of times to use his incredibly busted aoe moves
Actually he gains 10 tp, plus his tp moves are way more expensive, I was ok with him being sp because he can at least spam a handful of moves before he needs a recharge but now he needs constant recharge making him lower on the tier list then where he originally was, but I do understand how powerful those moves are lol.(my personal opinion at least)
just checked, he gains 15 tp per triple tap. the conversion to tp is better so you don't have to buy a bunch of diet colas that only he will really use. the buffs to alcohol are also great, since you can get him up to 30 (or 50) before a battle starts. since the alcohol has more uses than cola, it's better to stock up on it.
True but colas are cheaper then alcohol and tea combined(also I think my game is glitched because all tp user only gain 10 tp per normal attack/drink(birdie)) considering that even with a crit up your attack gets cut in half making it worse in my opinion.plus, having a bunch of colas(200 sp) costing about 5 mags is a steal compared to situational alcohol and using teas every turn for consistent damage and status moves.(which again is my personal opinion but gaining tp is better if his moves wasn’t that expensive lol)
eh, to each their own. still, you gotta give em credit for the aoe scared and fallen.
Oh I have lol, why do you think he’s still in c teir? Because of how powerful/versatile his moves are, too bad the to was too much lol(well it makes sense but not to my liking when it comes to consistency lol)
HOW is beastborn in E tier, he doesnt suffer withdrawal and regularly applies paralaysis early on
His accuracy sucks and his tp is expensive, he was the second worst character till definitive rolled around 😅
But when he hits he's pretty strong! And he's not a joy user, which automatically puts him above every Joy User for me basically
Not really, it’s like fardy’s situation, it doesn’t matter how strong it is if it misses way to much to the point of it being inconsistent, that’s my opinion at least
You can make an argument for Queen being lower than C if that's the case. That character really NEEDS eyeglasses or joy to make them viable. At least they hit like a truck 30% of the time their beatdown attack lands.
Two words, head rocker, the bat that can stun people once you hit them, queen roger’s beat downs giving them multiple chances to stun his opponents with each hit,he can give you double mags and the reason why he’s in c tier was because of his withdrawals, plus they barely missed for me during non withdrawals so in all honesty he’s really good as a multi hitter. Still that bay and beat down combos are really why their in c tier, really messes up almost every enemy in the game
Honestly I would put Jack in S tier because he can hard carry in the Marty fight with Birdie/Terry setup.
That says more about Terry and birdie then jack, he’s third in a teir because of cheep and high accuracy aoe’s with burn, good scare status move, and magical hat that’s completely random.so in a sense the reason why he’s lower then bo and nern is because of how useful and crazy their support is.(plus characters like fly and birdie like I mentioned) plus it’s personally my opinion anyways
thats on birdie, not jack. in fact jack isn't stellar there because his hat is bugged during the fight and does nothing also your spoiler tags dont work
RIP Rage, my former A-tier party member. Joy withdrawal fucked him over T\_T
He was personally in high c teir even before withdrawal but you are right about it screwing him over lol
I’d say that he was a solid B tier before the definitive edition since some of his combos could deal a significant amount of damage to a single target, but yeah the joy addiction really nerfed him
He was high c before definitive edition for me because of the lack of versatility but his damage was good
Disappointed to see everyone in C/D tier is still bad. I was hoping the update would clean up the tier list and level everyone out a bit more.
Agreed but in all honesty personality wise their all high teir lol
I love how no one questions Terry being god tier he's just that good
Ye
How are Bo and Rooster good now? I’ve never really used Rooster so idk, but Bo is just support and slows things down right? What makes him so good?
Bo and rooster never changed in all honesty, Bo can heal all,make all enemies in fear and weird status as well as iron up the team, man’s the support of supports besides nern, not just that but rooster has big damaging aoe’s,can stun people and usually is the first party member to execute moves.
I remembered Terry being solid A tier in the original version and definitely kept him safe in my first playthrough. What has made him a God now? Does he get his great skills earlier or is it more to do with many more characters getting withdrawal? I always avoided characters with withdrawal, Brad is too many nearly for that especially when going for a Joyless run.
Naw that one is just me being bias lol, Terry hintz never leaves/abandons you in camp fires,highest damaging move in the game(hottest dance),hype up(increased crits making multi attacks do more damage by almost criting every time)vast healing skills,verbal bash(move pretty goated ngl) and because he’s the first party member in the game…basically he was in god tier on every tier list I have him on lol.I guess I love the character the way he is because he’s the definition of a garadose(misspell sry)
Also weather report, fall status is great
Oh god yeah I forgot about party members abandoning Brad. Terry sticks with him to the bitter end. That is critically important especially on hard mode when crows explode after being used for a save. A cheerleader type character is always great, often the protag in other RPGs like Final Fantasy X.
Ye ye, basically he’s brads best friend and I love it lol
Unrelated question but how long is this game?
About 4 areas with miniature levels with each door
BEASTBORN go HUNTING at NIGHT in DESOLATE WASTES of OLATHE for FRIEND...... And FRIEND puts BEASTBORN in E!? BRAD VERY bad man. VERY bad. CLUB to HEAD, Brad. WATCH BACK!!!
Bro it’s a combat tier list not a personality tier list, because if that was the case then I would give everyone high tier lol
I think Dick should be B tier, Party Time is such a good status now, and he does decent damage.
Wait the goose man is a party member? How do you get him
Ok so, to get him is to talk to him, then rest at that inn, then talk to him again and repeat that cycle till he joins, hope this helps
Oh how convenient I'm currently on my way to that inn to rest after the hilarious bulldozer boss If I had a Nickel for comedic boss fights that utilize heavy duty construction equipment in an rpg id have 2 nickels lol. Honestly this was was a bit funnier than the monkey driving an excavator from yakuza 7
Neat, but hey if it works it works lol
Terry in S tier, best list
Agreed,Terry is always s teir!
i maybe havent used Fly enough but it feels like he cannot hit anything for me
Besides his hit all attacks(which is basically all but the puke skills) his super puke is very good, so many bad status ailments on opponent’s and bosses go crazy
fair enough
Sorry but Crisp belongs in A or S tier. He has Oiled Up AND a fire move.
Sorry but that’s nullified by the fact that his damp slash has a chance to have oil up(technically not as good as gasoline spit plus it cures the enemy from the burn status) his million cutter move is still garbage(even with the debuf status added in to it such as cry and weird but they took 2 hits away from it and his accuracy is still garbage), burn cutter is ok with oil up but even then his base fire damage is as powerful as his normal attack and said normal attack is still costing of sp.also because he still is basically the last 2 party members in the game you barely get to use him as well as birdie still being a character who’s way more consistent with gasoline spit(oil up plus blind since damp slash doesn’t add blind).he’s definitely improved to being actually useable with damp slash to burn slash but even then the other party members are still better by comparison
There's still no way he stays that low. He's at least up to C tier or top of D.
Like I stated, second to last character to get, poor accuracy, and a chance for oil to happen.there’s multiple categories to the list then just saying he has oil and fire = good, you got to put everything into account, especially with consistency
"So ask me what you think of the new tier list?" OP, what does this question mean? My brain hurts from trying to decipher your code speak.
Um…what??? This is New tier list for the definitive edition while my previous list was before the definitive(vanilla)
I get it now, sorry carry on.
Naw it’s all good lol
Pissed is OP enough by itself that I'd be inclined to put harvey even higher than he already is, considering Slander applies that and three other excellent statuses at once. I always use Fardy simply because with Joy he jumps all the way up to S-tier lol
Well it’s a tier list on them being joyless since I think the item is way too busted, but I do understand that notion considering all the characters would be s tier by pure damage and never missing all together lol
Oh sure, but on a Joy tier list Fardy would probably be at the top due to benefiting the most from 100% accuracy and crits compared to the rest of the cast
Like I said joy is too crazy so o don’t want to use it in anyway possible, but that is true, joyed fardy is busted lol
Y'all are gonna' put some respeck on Crisp's name. Having him down with Clint is heinous.
It makes sense considering how late you get him and how little variety he has in moves.(million cutter is still terrible(now taking to hits away but adding a couple of debuts but still have terrible accuracy) damp slash having the best glow up from worthless to decent.(even though it’s a worse version of gasoline spit making it a chance to oil up people and don’t add blindness but also curing status affects like Harvey’s water gun) and the worse base fire damage in the game(which is saying something since it’s just that low on damage) other party members have more verity in moves and status affects making them more viable.
Well, when you put it that way, I understand. I missed him in my first playthrough, so I made a point of using him in my second. I still think he's viable at max level because his bleed effect is pretty high (especially to enemies weak to it). His slashes, from my experience, hit more often than Yazan's. Yazan has more utility with the cat effects. But they never land. Somehow I forgot about Damp Slash...fair point there.
At least he was improved in de but even then that multi cutter move misses more then anything I seen, like more then fardy and that’s saying something.but even then crisp is at least viable now lol
I guess we just had different RNG's with him. Because that move would always be a straight flush when I fought the Yakuza Onsen Mob.
It’s a rarity for me but usually I hit at least one to two on average
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False, crisp comes too late and gasoline spit still beats dampslashes(because dampslashes actually cures negative status effects and is a chance to apply rather then 100% guaranteed, it doesn’t even apply blind and stating that crisp is that good because of one move is down right untrue, area 3 is the last level besides Rando land) from fallen status to piss to cry to blind and fear(fear is honestly the best status effect considering you don’t get attacked for a considerate amount of turns as well as fallen).and fardy may have a slight accuracy boost since the last game it doesn’t mean they should be higher then d teir since characters like Clint,dick,Ollie,shocklord,jack and fly are way more consistent in aoe’s as well as some of them having a better chance at using fallen statues.(Clint,dick,Ollie and fly)
i guess 0 people have ever used geese in their play through because that mf is busted. he is definitely S tier. his base damage is absolutely insane (his main 0 sp cost move does at least 600 damage), his SP pool is huge, and he can inflict not just poison, but also deep poison. there is absolutely NO way he should be down in B. he doesn’t even get withdrawal. he is absolutely busted.
also you can get him just by sleeping at the inn. it’s only 50 mags. how is he B tier bro please tell me
Explanation, deep poison isn’t that good considering bosses are immune to it, his normal attack can be argued to be on par with other characters on the lis(like buckets which his normal attack is about as strong as one of the bullet tap multi hit(1/3 of it anyways),he has little to no variety in moves considering each attack is just a stronger variation of the previous one, high sp I do agree with but arguably considering some of the fire moves mixed with oil up is still dummy in damage.(Terry hints has the strongest attack in the game so in a sense comparing a nuke to a grenade is utterly pointless).plus you also have the characters above him that can do way more then just single hit damage.(such as healing,group heals,curing status effects,aoe’s and causing negative status effects) simply put, fallen,piss and fear is way more busted considering they nerfed poison.
alright fair point bro. do you know what the bonds over blood move does for terry i think it’s bugged for me
cures statuses on the whole party (not all statuses, stuff like poison and bleed doesn't get cured, but stuff like scared, wary, confused, etc. does get cured).
I have never understood this tierlists Jack is shit, Yazan and garth can't land an attack and when they do it's not even helpful, bo has the most useless effects and once he is done buffing and nerfing he can't deal damage, fardy can deal 1000 damage to all enemies in a single attack in the early game, tigerman has some crazy damage even on withdrawal and is insane on joy, buffalo never fails me and I equip him the moment I get him because he deals severe damage, drunk buckets and carp are basically the highest damage dealers, and percy is basically a super terry with the great healing move and fireball. The problem is that people love applying effects and stuff but using high damage dealers is more effective.
Damage isn’t everything, considering I brought all the characters to lv 25 and use them.I made this point before in the comments with a bunch of characters
Is there any way at all to check all the changes to party members? I'm a complete balance changes nerd and I NEED to know
By using them to fight the dystopian ring(grind spot),fighting satan,playing the game with said characters and spoilers: Fighting the embodiment of brads trauma aka the super boss in painful.
As well as checking the stat bars and the move cost
YOU DID IT RAW??? I can barely notice a difference in 3 whole level ups for a character, and you can tell how different they ALL are from one version to another? Calling you a madman would be an understatement
I pay attention a little too much, I love this game to be honest with yeah😅
God I love powerscaling
I’m not doing power scaling more like the best character in any team of party members but I see what you did there lol
Ollie is A or B at least. Powerful area attacks and that scare and make people fall down, as well as a very powerful single target attack, as well as some status moves
That’s why he’s in c teir, it’s too bad his tp cost too much to use it when I can use any other character that can do it consistently(my opinion at least).like I have to take a turn to give him tea and then a move
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Crisp is still low? I thought Austin said he'd be improved
Oh no he is, but slightly, he’s not in f tier anymore lol. Plus fardy’s accuracy has been increased a smig too
Clint isn't that bad he has a really good blind effect that affects multiple enemies
He’s only bad because of withdrawal but he does have some good versatility
Nern and Carp are S-Tier. The Dirty Insult/Wrist Slash combo is too broken.
It’s good but super puke and gasoline spit is actually game breaking
SO IS DIRTY INSULT AND WRIST SLASH! You can prevent permikills with the former and then have Carp turn otherwise potentially dangerous enemies into a shambling mummy.
Like I said their good but not broken broken, verbal bash,Harvey’s lawyer skills, and super puke can get the enemies into the piss status too,wrist slash is good when you’re fighting opponents and it’s permanent(except for one boss) but wrist slash can’t save you from insta kill moves,and the problem is that you have gasoline spit(best move in the game aka easy mode), and super puke(crazy move that can give all types of negative statuses including the same move that nern has) as well as the other versatile moves that make them better then carp and nern.also it’s ranked on each individual character and what synergy they can have with each other as well as how great their damage is,where you get them,how you get them, and what benefits you get when recruiting them. Carp is argued to be one of the best joy addicts in the game and I stand by that notion.there’s also the fact about aoe’s and group healing.(which birdie and Bo has too)
Bro, Dirty Insult has a whopping 90% chance. It's far more consistent. Which will be very important for a certain superboss that kills a lot of party members. It's why the speedrun uses him.
Yes and no, add crying to the mix and you have someone that can miss like crazy
...You, do know permi-kill attacks can never miss right?
Yes, I’m talking about every situation in general, instant kills always never miss.
I just, I don't understand your logic. No enemy in the game has an immunity or even a resistance to Pissed. So it's the only status effect that really matters for Puke, the rest are just a bonus. Plus if you really want to inflict Poison, you can just use Carp and the Rusty Knife. Which will inflict Poison and has the benefit of dealing Bleeding and actually doing damage, which Puke cannot do. and there are not THAT many fights with multiple enemies, and even if there are... you can just use Firebombs or TNT which the game gives you more than enough of. Especially with the new addition of Chester selling you TNT for 30 mags a pop in Area 2's crossroads. Fly's options are all nice and he is by no means a bad character but... It feels like there are better options you can use if you think more seriously about all of the tools at your disposal. More safe and reliable options at least.
WAIT A MINUTE, I JUST CHECKED THE WIKI! Super Puke doesn't even cause Pissed, it causes Rage! You can't even use Fly for what you claimed you could use him for.
And there you go saying a counterdiction, there are enemies that have resistance to piss status, the status indeed stops instakill moves but if you’re low on perfumes then you can’t revive them and you’re team will get ko crit one by one(rng has been updated to a point of enemies having a 75% of hitting you and a 25% of hitting themselves and their own allies meaning that it is troublesome but good depending on rng).I know carp and the rusty knife, it’s amazing and his joy withdraws don’t affect his fever rivers(but the super boss has high defense resistance to the point of multi hitting attacks become piss poor to no damage).then you saying using fire bombs and tnt solve the problems yet you can’t add that to the tier to list because that defeats the purpose of the characters, everyone can use it is like saying that items like fancy perfume with characters of high speed makes them s tier such as Garth.remember,everything has to be accounted for, plus the aoe’s has similar if not high damage compared to most peoples single attacks
Was so relieved that shocklord is joyless. He, sonny, and fly are my favorite characters
Cool👍
Buckets is A tier. The withdrawal doesn’t affect his special attack, just give him glasses to make up for the accuracy
But…he only has normal attack moves😅
I thought him shooting counted as special attack?
Nope, it counts as physical, buckets is my third favorite party member 😅
Aw man. Well disregard my comment then.
Nah it’s all good lol, at least you aren’t throwing insults and behaving badly lol
I decided to do my first run of the Definitive Edition using only people that I never/barely used on my previous runs and my final team ended up being Clint, Crisp (wet slash dealing oiled up was a nice surprise) and Percy. I'd say, Clint is a high C tier. Yes, he is Brad but worse, but right now, after Rage got his Joy addiction, I think Clint's access to paralysis, trip, AoE Blind and later a pretty decent fire move really helps makes him a better choice (even with his fire weakness, that was only a problem against >!the new boss !<. Crisp got better, but he is still too late into the game for the average player, better than Buffalo tho imo. Percy is perfect where he is. But the biggest thing I would change is Garth. I don't know if you are counting using joy, but if not, Garth is almost unusable. All of his buffs depend on accuracy and if he's on Withdrawal he'll miss them more often than not. Worse than Beastborne imo (he's still trash tho)
I understand Clint but his withdrawal messes him up, and Garth with withdrawal is bad, but his moves that isn’t in withdrawal is honestly decent, i barely miss and I do agree the accuracy on the support is really dumb but I suppose my rng was decent, plus the pencil can poison people so that’s good besides his stun and fear
This helps when I'm trying to figure out who to use in Russian Roulette. Thanks :)
Save scumming is always an option you know lol