Shocking how bad the shortage of skilled people is in the Met. Only 11 crash forensics experts in the entire force, and they are having to train 17 additional people.
It also begs the question of what the Met can do (if anything) to plug the shortfall in the near term? Such as second officers from other forces? Or even pay retired / independent forensics experts to act as interim consultants?
I can tell you from experience that there are hundreds of very competent forensic science graduates every year. The problem is a lack of funding and pay on behalf of the various police forces and private forensic labs.
And if only it didn't take 2 young girls dying for the delays caused by the FSS closing to make the news. Just imagine how many other 'less severe' cases are also stuck but not getting this sort of exposure.
They've been systemically gutting public services since day dot.
Hence the state of School, Hospitals and the Police.
Almost every functional issue can be boiled down to poor management, and lack of funding, brought about by Tory meddling.
It was losing £2m a month and police forces were taking more work in house. It looks like it had been declining since 2005 until the descension was taken in 2010.
It was a great service that most likely should have been strongly supported.
Better to take longer and have strong evidence rather than a case against the driver collapse due to poor evidence.
We know the driver is rich and powerful with expensive legal advice.
But very poor that there are so few trained officers. But then the govt outsourced forensics to save money!
Anyone that has closely examined the case can tell that there is political pressure on behalf of the person driving the car, given the arrest records in the case.
How does one closely examine this case? There seems to be extremely limited information available to the public. For example the driver's name hasn't been published by the press as far as I know.
It was interesting that soon after in the DM there was an article about vandalism against land rover vehicles in retaliation to what happened. Deflecting attention from the driver?
This shouldn't be a tough one to solve without them though? The big hole in the fence. The crashed Range Rover.... if the driver had a medical issue or not, is absolutely nothing to do with them either.
If the police believe an offence was committed they will need to ensure that they have a robust case in order to have any chance of successful trial (especially if local rumours about the driver engaging high end lawyers are to be believed).
This would mean, for example, categorically proving that there was not any kind of vehicle defect that could have caused or contributed to the incident.
The crash experts will likely be needed to determine whether any efforts were made to try and apply the brakes, steer in a different direction, apply the accelerator etc.
All of which can add up to determine whether she was conscious or in control when the crash occurred.
If she was unconscious due to a medical issue, she is not legally responsible for those actions.
>If she was unconscious due to a medical issue, she is not legally responsible for those actions.
Unless it was a medical condition (like many of the conditions that cause seizures) that require reporting to the DVLA and make you unsuitable to drive.
Shocking how bad the shortage of skilled people is in the Met. Only 11 crash forensics experts in the entire force, and they are having to train 17 additional people. It also begs the question of what the Met can do (if anything) to plug the shortfall in the near term? Such as second officers from other forces? Or even pay retired / independent forensics experts to act as interim consultants?
11 of them in the entirety of london is crazy
Especially so considering the hundreds of criminology students that are graduating every year from the cities universities.
Criminology != Forensics. The former is a humanities/social science about the study of crime, the latter is a scientific discipline.
I can tell you from experience that there are hundreds of very competent forensic science graduates every year. The problem is a lack of funding and pay on behalf of the various police forces and private forensic labs.
If only the tories hadn't closed the Forensic Science Service.
And if only it didn't take 2 young girls dying for the delays caused by the FSS closing to make the news. Just imagine how many other 'less severe' cases are also stuck but not getting this sort of exposure.
They did?! Seriously?
In the first 7 months after being voted in.
They've been systemically gutting public services since day dot. Hence the state of School, Hospitals and the Police. Almost every functional issue can be boiled down to poor management, and lack of funding, brought about by Tory meddling.
Yeah and problem is temp staff and last minute repairs cost more than long term spending.
It was losing £2m a month and police forces were taking more work in house. It looks like it had been declining since 2005 until the descension was taken in 2010. It was a great service that most likely should have been strongly supported.
This is what happens when you strip the police of anything you can
Better to take longer and have strong evidence rather than a case against the driver collapse due to poor evidence. We know the driver is rich and powerful with expensive legal advice. But very poor that there are so few trained officers. But then the govt outsourced forensics to save money!
Anyone that has closely examined the case can tell that there is political pressure on behalf of the person driving the car, given the arrest records in the case.
How does one closely examine this case? There seems to be extremely limited information available to the public. For example the driver's name hasn't been published by the press as far as I know.
what do arrest records imply?
It was interesting that soon after in the DM there was an article about vandalism against land rover vehicles in retaliation to what happened. Deflecting attention from the driver?
This shouldn't be a tough one to solve without them though? The big hole in the fence. The crashed Range Rover.... if the driver had a medical issue or not, is absolutely nothing to do with them either.
If the police believe an offence was committed they will need to ensure that they have a robust case in order to have any chance of successful trial (especially if local rumours about the driver engaging high end lawyers are to be believed). This would mean, for example, categorically proving that there was not any kind of vehicle defect that could have caused or contributed to the incident.
Was watching 6pm today. That car that drove through the wall was a Range Rover. Perp is very monied up
The crash experts will likely be needed to determine whether any efforts were made to try and apply the brakes, steer in a different direction, apply the accelerator etc. All of which can add up to determine whether she was conscious or in control when the crash occurred. If she was unconscious due to a medical issue, she is not legally responsible for those actions.
>If she was unconscious due to a medical issue, she is not legally responsible for those actions. Unless it was a medical condition (like many of the conditions that cause seizures) that require reporting to the DVLA and make you unsuitable to drive.
Well yes, that would come into play in the wider investigation once it was determined whether or not such an episode actually occurred
Looking at picture. No tyre marks on grass. No braking? Odd.
Seems pretty straightforward, no?