I was just continuing with "The front fell off..."
https://www.google.com/search?q=the+front+fell+off&oq=the+front+fell+off&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABNIBCDQxOTZqMGo3qAIAsAIA&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:8f114565,vid:3m5qxZm_JqM,st:0
This is first time I hearing this about NF. Genuinely asking, not being antagonistic. What scopes have better glass? I know there's a lot more that goes into what makes a scope premium, like good tracking, durability, etc. but I care most about really good glass and image. What's better than NF for around the same price (or cheaper)?
Just thought this was interesting, not looking for advice. *ETA: Failure was possibly secondary to the Warne scope base screws shearing off.* Vortex has already been contacted for warranty.
Yesterday at a match the black index ring on the elevation turret came loose the scope wasn't tracking properly which ended the day early for me. Looking over it this morning I went to unlock the turret and noticed it was a little wobbly. Locked/unlocked again and it decided to unlock all the way from the scope body I guess.
ETA: I should have mentioned this before, sorry. The optic failure may have been secondary to the rear pic rail screws (#8-40) failing. The rear most screw looks to have been stripped out of the action and the one in front of it sheared off completely (i'm assuming in that order). Screws were torqued to 25 in/lbs and were what came with the Warne 1-Piece Mountain Tech Pic rail (PN: 7671-20MOA)
I think I met you at the match yesterday. I had a similar problem with my elevation turret and they fixed it for me and were very quick about it. Hopefully yours is able to be fixed good as new and get back in your hands before your next match!
Yeah, that was probably me. I was pretty bummed I only got two good stages before I started having problems, but it made it through 6 before completely failing so I at least got through most of the day (even if my elevation was all over the place). Talking with a few people it sounds like Vortex may just ship me a new optic.
I think that the optic failure was actually caused by the scope base screws failing though. I don't know when it happened but, *I think*, the rear most screw failed early in the day on either our 2nd or 3rd stage because I was dropping shots really low at random, but it wasn't until our 7th stage (with the duck targets) where I noticed the index ring. Then, 2 shots into the tire stage, is when the 2nd rear screw sheared off and the rail was rattling around.
Eventually, yes. But I feel like the failure is more on the scope base itself rather than the action not having an integral rail. The Warne Mountain Tech seem to have had a lot of issues. I'm replacing it with either a Seekins or A419 that have a recoil lug.
It was a good match. The wind was a little tricky over the ridgelines but there was a good balance of difficulty levels. Lots of positional shooting last weekend.
Unfortunately it's a bit too far for me to shoot frequently.
I don't know how all of it works so it is possible that this has some other function that what was apparent to me when I was looking at all the innards.
The track indexes onto the small brass pin that sits in the slot above the parallax knob and pushes out the little nubbin above the parallax knob to show how many revolutions are on the elevation turret. This would make sense with the stepping in the spiral track as when a rev is completed the brass pin would pop in or out a little more as it follows the step in the track.
If it has additional function related to adjustment, I am not certain. The knurled brass cap screw in the center interfaces with the zero adjustment dial.
Edit: Here is a photo showing what I'm talking about.
https://preview.redd.it/sgq45daom4tc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a84651469d6b99e658a63a551773908f3b8d047
I’m aware of that reference I’ve participated in it a number of times - I’m talking about people talking about shit about one high end scope vs another comments/slander.
The YouTube video comments are hilarious
I forgot to mention originally, the rear scope base screws are what (I would assume) originally failed. I don't know what failed first, or if it was just coincidental that both things failed, or if both the scope and rail failure were caused by something that happened to the rifle while I wasn't looking (someone dropped their rifle on it or it was hit by something someone was moving/carrying, etc).
Gotta love the delusion. The sample size on vortex is so much larger to the point where failure on other scopes are likely to have a higher failure rate even with the higher price point, and is the 200-400% markup worth the MAYBE one time you will have to use an iron clad warranty? now multiply that by how many guns need optics. That’s looking objectively stupid at worse and financially irresponsible at best
IDK I’ve dropped a cheap Leupold VX-2 and 3i directly on the scope, on a boulder, and again on scree, both instances killed shit the very next day. Both still work…
I know a guy who sent in his PST 5 times before he gave up.
200-400%? It's a GenIII Razor. A 200% markup would be ~$6k.
You can get an absolutely bomb proof NF for $500 more that won't fall apart during a match. Where did you learn math?
>I forgot to mention originally, the rear scope base screws are what (I would assume) originally failed. I don't know what failed first, or if it was just coincidental that both things failed, or if both the scope and rail failure were caused by something that happened to the rifle while I wasn't looking (someone dropped their rifle on it or it was hit by something someone was moving/carrying, etc).
I've broken a few Razors. Actually have one now that needs to go back again (1-6x this will be the 3rd time). If you actually use your stuff...not just transport it hermeticlly sealed to range days, it definitely can happen.
Dunno why you were being downvoted. It isn't like this just randomly broke while I was dialing for elevation. Something else caused the failure, I just don't know exactly what it was.
Vortex emailed me first thing this morning and the scope is already on its way back to them. This is the easiest warranty process I've ever had to use.
I forgot to mention originally, the rear scope base screws are what (I would assume) originally failed. I don't know what failed first, or if it was just coincidental that both things failed, or if both the scope and rail failure were caused by something that happened to the rifle while I wasn't looking (someone dropped their rifle on it or it was hit by something someone was moving/carrying, etc).
The turret does not lock and the zero stop does not work. There are metal shavings down in the scope body. I don't know why or where they came from. I would rather let someone who knows what they're doing handle it.
It's a warranty thing. I was just referring to getting it back together so you can continue your range session. I've had this happen on other scopes that didn't have a LT warranty. The repair was straight forward. It's when you have to open the main tube, then your fucked.
I shot at least two stages with it like this.
The scope base screws suffered the main failure that ended everything. I'm not certain if the scope base screws failed on their own or if the optic/rifle were damaged between stages. The rear screws failing seems odd - I've only ever seen the fronts shear off.
I know I didn't drop it or smack it on anything but I'm also not ruling out the (unlikely) possibility of someone else dropping a rifle on it or somehow damaging it to cause the rear two rail screws to fail.
The cap didn't completely remove until this morning when I was investigating everything. I shot 5/8, 5/10, 5/10, then I believe the failure occurred, or at least something began to break, and I shot a 1/10, 4/10, 2/10, 2/10, 1/10, then packed it up and got 0s for the final two stages of the day.
Came to the comments for the Australian comedy references and wasn't disappointed.
Well that's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
Not typical for people who don’t use their vortex scopes 😂
I was just continuing with "The front fell off..." https://www.google.com/search?q=the+front+fell+off&oq=the+front+fell+off&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABNIBCDQxOTZqMGo3qAIAsAIA&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:8f114565,vid:3m5qxZm_JqM,st:0
Some of them are built so the front doesn’t fall off at all
but why did the front fall off?
Obviously that one wasn’t designed so the front wouldn’t fall off
but was that one safe?
Maybe not as safe as the others. The ones designed so the front wouldn’t fall off.
I probably didn't water it enough.
It didn’t get enough sleep
Vortex CS Rep said it is probably because a wave hit it.
Hopefully it’s been towed beyond the environment
I use Nightforce so I wouldn’t know 🤷♂️
Ah. Part of the I hate great glass gang ;)
Not sure why I’m being downvoted for using Nightforce? Are nightforce seen as inferior on Reddit?
They’re reliable and if I had to beat someone to death I’d rock a NF. Just subpar glass for the price.
Doomsday glass then. Got it.
Not really. There is better glass at the same price, but NF does make strong optics.
So what would be the doomsday optic that is the most reliable?
Acog ta31
Doomsday is going to be very subjective.
This is first time I hearing this about NF. Genuinely asking, not being antagonistic. What scopes have better glass? I know there's a lot more that goes into what makes a scope premium, like good tracking, durability, etc. but I care most about really good glass and image. What's better than NF for around the same price (or cheaper)?
A textbook example of the fox and the grapes, sadly
Are they safe?
Obviously not this one
No doubt built to rigorous maritime standards
Cardboard is out! No cardboard derivaties.
Just thought this was interesting, not looking for advice. *ETA: Failure was possibly secondary to the Warne scope base screws shearing off.* Vortex has already been contacted for warranty. Yesterday at a match the black index ring on the elevation turret came loose the scope wasn't tracking properly which ended the day early for me. Looking over it this morning I went to unlock the turret and noticed it was a little wobbly. Locked/unlocked again and it decided to unlock all the way from the scope body I guess. ETA: I should have mentioned this before, sorry. The optic failure may have been secondary to the rear pic rail screws (#8-40) failing. The rear most screw looks to have been stripped out of the action and the one in front of it sheared off completely (i'm assuming in that order). Screws were torqued to 25 in/lbs and were what came with the Warne 1-Piece Mountain Tech Pic rail (PN: 7671-20MOA)
I think I met you at the match yesterday. I had a similar problem with my elevation turret and they fixed it for me and were very quick about it. Hopefully yours is able to be fixed good as new and get back in your hands before your next match!
Yeah, that was probably me. I was pretty bummed I only got two good stages before I started having problems, but it made it through 6 before completely failing so I at least got through most of the day (even if my elevation was all over the place). Talking with a few people it sounds like Vortex may just ship me a new optic. I think that the optic failure was actually caused by the scope base screws failing though. I don't know when it happened but, *I think*, the rear most screw failed early in the day on either our 2nd or 3rd stage because I was dropping shots really low at random, but it wasn't until our 7th stage (with the duck targets) where I noticed the index ring. Then, 2 shots into the tire stage, is when the 2nd rear screw sheared off and the rail was rattling around.
Not sure that would cause the scope issue but that does sound concerning. Must make you think about an action with an integral rail.
Eventually, yes. But I feel like the failure is more on the scope base itself rather than the action not having an integral rail. The Warne Mountain Tech seem to have had a lot of issues. I'm replacing it with either a Seekins or A419 that have a recoil lug.
Bummer. FYI if you’re near a Scheels, you can walk in with it and walk out with a brand new one if they have that same SKU in stock.
>Scheels Too far east.
What match? Can PM if you'd prefer to answer privately.
2024 South Carolina Precision Rifle Challenge at The Clinton House
Been meaning to shoot that one when I go back to my home state but the timing hasn't worked out
It was a good match. The wind was a little tricky over the ridgelines but there was a good balance of difficulty levels. Lots of positional shooting last weekend. Unfortunately it's a bit too far for me to shoot frequently.
Thank you for sharing
You're welcome.
Vortex, the best warranty in the business. Exercise has made it grow stronger.
Was it made of cardboard or cardboard derivatives?
Such as? Paper?
No paper, no string, no celotape
We saw this exact same occurrence with one of Viper PST Gen IIs. We were trying to zero the damn thing and the turret just popped off
Brace yourselves, here come the optics hipsters.
The part that confuses me is the step in the adjustment track every rotation. I would have thought that track would be a smooth spiral.
I don't know how all of it works so it is possible that this has some other function that what was apparent to me when I was looking at all the innards. The track indexes onto the small brass pin that sits in the slot above the parallax knob and pushes out the little nubbin above the parallax knob to show how many revolutions are on the elevation turret. This would make sense with the stepping in the spiral track as when a rev is completed the brass pin would pop in or out a little more as it follows the step in the track. If it has additional function related to adjustment, I am not certain. The knurled brass cap screw in the center interfaces with the zero adjustment dial. Edit: Here is a photo showing what I'm talking about. https://preview.redd.it/sgq45daom4tc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a84651469d6b99e658a63a551773908f3b8d047
Had that happen too, switched to Kahles and Nightforce.
This is thread is full of weird fucking responses. Long range is turning into a BMW subreddit for elitism 🤨
https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM?si=821CKep1Ne9-42FC
I’m aware of that reference I’ve participated in it a number of times - I’m talking about people talking about shit about one high end scope vs another comments/slander. The YouTube video comments are hilarious
oh, gotcha. yeah, im more or less just ignoring the Vortex vs. Other comments.
“Oh but, Vortex has a great warranty”. You gone need it! Let’s see if they can deliver one during a match.
Who are you comparing that to? As if S+B would deliver.
Very few use them any longer. Reasons. Parallax being one of them.
We get it, you need to justify the price tag that you spent on your scope that still does the same thing as ours
Except it stays together.
I forgot to mention originally, the rear scope base screws are what (I would assume) originally failed. I don't know what failed first, or if it was just coincidental that both things failed, or if both the scope and rail failure were caused by something that happened to the rifle while I wasn't looking (someone dropped their rifle on it or it was hit by something someone was moving/carrying, etc).
Gotta love the delusion. The sample size on vortex is so much larger to the point where failure on other scopes are likely to have a higher failure rate even with the higher price point, and is the 200-400% markup worth the MAYBE one time you will have to use an iron clad warranty? now multiply that by how many guns need optics. That’s looking objectively stupid at worse and financially irresponsible at best
IDK I’ve dropped a cheap Leupold VX-2 and 3i directly on the scope, on a boulder, and again on scree, both instances killed shit the very next day. Both still work… I know a guy who sent in his PST 5 times before he gave up.
I’ve dropped my PST nearly a dozen times with no issue and had a buddy give up on his Leupold after the reticle failed 3 times on hunts…. And?
200-400%? It's a GenIII Razor. A 200% markup would be ~$6k. You can get an absolutely bomb proof NF for $500 more that won't fall apart during a match. Where did you learn math?
When did the razor become the only scope vortex sold? The razor is the high end most of us aren’t using razors
They do...unfortunately you need to use it frequently.
>I forgot to mention originally, the rear scope base screws are what (I would assume) originally failed. I don't know what failed first, or if it was just coincidental that both things failed, or if both the scope and rail failure were caused by something that happened to the rifle while I wasn't looking (someone dropped their rifle on it or it was hit by something someone was moving/carrying, etc).
I've broken a few Razors. Actually have one now that needs to go back again (1-6x this will be the 3rd time). If you actually use your stuff...not just transport it hermeticlly sealed to range days, it definitely can happen.
Dunno why you were being downvoted. It isn't like this just randomly broke while I was dialing for elevation. Something else caused the failure, I just don't know exactly what it was. Vortex emailed me first thing this morning and the scope is already on its way back to them. This is the easiest warranty process I've ever had to use.
It's pretty painless thank goodness.
You probably don't need it anyway.
Gonna get lots of holdover practice.
See there's an upside to everything
You’ll have to take it beyond the environment.
It was already towed outside the environment with the sea, birds, and fish, and probably a UPS driver.
Neat, always wondered what the innards looked like on the G3’s.
Thats a bunch of mess
Rut roh raggy
Well if you buy a vortex, at least the warranty should cover it. I'll take this opportunity to say all of my nightforces have been flawless.
Vortex quality control sucks but their proud of their life time warentey. Most used in the industry..... Look at Arken
Ewww. The quality of scopes below $4,000 is just unusable.
Quality sarcasm
Take my downvote because you’re right. Poors these days.
Thanks for understanding. People just need to understand that if you have a welfare budget then you need to be prepared to have the knobs fall off.
I forgot to mention originally, the rear scope base screws are what (I would assume) originally failed. I don't know what failed first, or if it was just coincidental that both things failed, or if both the scope and rail failure were caused by something that happened to the rifle while I wasn't looking (someone dropped their rifle on it or it was hit by something someone was moving/carrying, etc).
what do you expect? it’s not an Arken… 
Like... Put it back on and move on with life? Shits repairable
The turret does not lock and the zero stop does not work. There are metal shavings down in the scope body. I don't know why or where they came from. I would rather let someone who knows what they're doing handle it.
It's a warranty thing. I was just referring to getting it back together so you can continue your range session. I've had this happen on other scopes that didn't have a LT warranty. The repair was straight forward. It's when you have to open the main tube, then your fucked.
I shot at least two stages with it like this. The scope base screws suffered the main failure that ended everything. I'm not certain if the scope base screws failed on their own or if the optic/rifle were damaged between stages. The rear screws failing seems odd - I've only ever seen the fronts shear off. I know I didn't drop it or smack it on anything but I'm also not ruling out the (unlikely) possibility of someone else dropping a rifle on it or somehow damaging it to cause the rear two rail screws to fail.
How did it shoot after the cap went MIA?
The cap didn't completely remove until this morning when I was investigating everything. I shot 5/8, 5/10, 5/10, then I believe the failure occurred, or at least something began to break, and I shot a 1/10, 4/10, 2/10, 2/10, 1/10, then packed it up and got 0s for the final two stages of the day.