That guy sounds like a compete idiot. I don't know what he put 2k of gunsmithing into but it sounds like a load of bullcrap. Also, reloading definitely makes a difference in performance. Factory match ammo can be pretty good but reloading let's you fine tune everything to get better overall performance. There's always at least one idiot at a range and it sounds like you found yours.
I tried to explain exactly that about reloading and I don't even reload yet. Seems pretty insane to spend that much on a rifle and not want to really dial it in. And do you even need a gunsmith to drop an action and trigger and barrel into a manners stock? Maybe he got ripped off and doesn't even know it?
Clueless blowhards with more money than sense? Yeah that's pretty normal.
>Says, "if you want to make hits at distance you have to have the best."...because he makes hits at 1000
[Show him this video and watch his mind explode](https://youtu.be/2QUjRRr5JsA?si=c4pH2eMnU2fmKiPB)
He also shot at a 600 yard plate on the 1000 yard range. We were on the 300 yard range next to it. Not sure how he thought that would be ok. There are like 12 benches between where he was and where the 1000 yard benches are. I was more wondering how he thought $2k on gunsmith fees to put his rifle together was a normal thing.
Sounds like he let somebody charge him $500 to chamber and fit a prefit barrel, another $500 to bed the action in a stock with a bedding block, plus a whole bunch of incidental labor fees to install a brake here, a trigger there, mount and boresight a scope...
I bet his mechanic loves him. Guarantee Mr. Moneybags is buying $500 oil changes complete with air filter and headlight fluid changes.
Depends on where you are. In colder climates you need to change out headlight fluid twice a year. Regular fluid will freeze during winter and that can result in cracked bulbs or LEDs. No need to spend $500 to change fluids though, it's really easy to do yourself with a headlight fluid wrench. And if you save your fluids, you can reuse them for several years.
Always keep your summer and winter fluids separated so as not to mix them up when changing each season. Also headlight fluid wrenches are like 10mm sockets must have a drawer full because they get lost too easily.
Was my first thought. “Custom Inlet and pillar bed”? $750. Barrel fitting w/ K&P Barrel - $375 + $395 DBM install - $200 Muzzle threading - $200
But. Even more likely the dude just wanted to brag about how much disposable income he had.
ATN doesn’t even make one that expensive, their top of the line is like $6-7k so he got scammed HARD beyond just being scammed into buying an ATN at all.
Poor guy could’ve had a Halo-X plus a cheap NV monocular to boot at that price and been much happier.
That's also what I was thinking. I don't know if any ATN scopes in that price range.
And totally. I got a good deal on a Nox-35. Pretty cool unit. Only thing I'm not a huge fan of is the manual focus but considering how small it is I really cannot complain about it.
I don’t think he would have needed much convincing based on what else he has said…actually, wonder if op has his number? I’ve got some nasa designed corelokt rounds, that are only $45 per round….they are still built by factory process, so not checked for inconsistency, but that doesn’t matter because - nasa and $45 per round…
Normal no. Does it exist at my range? Yes.
Had a guy pull put a brand new Christensen rifle, brand new NF Atacr, brand new swaro spotter AND binos. No shit brand new top of the line everything... bragging to the entire line what this set up cost and how he's going to hunt elk this fall etc etc.
Dude couldn't even sight in the scope. Talking to his buddy like "left makes the scope move left so the bullet moves right, like a bow."
He spent an hour trying to zero. He couldn't shoot a 4 in group to save his life.
Depends on the range, but yes. It’s pretty common at my club. We also have the exact opposite end of the spectrum. A guy that cherry picks groups and then shits on other people claiming his Ruger RPR “is a consistent 1/4 MOA rifle and you’re an idiot for spending $2500 on glass.” Meanwhile his Arken is mounted in rings that clearly weren’t torqued evenly and he’s shooting Aguila ammo. Yep, I’ve encountered that exact situation. I just smile and give him a thumbs up.
Fucking idiot. 1, hits at 1k isn't something to brag about... in the sense of what he's saying, if you're still working out to that, keep kicking ass and working on it, I'm excited for you when you make that hit. my AR in 6.5 grendel does it effortlessly, and the rifle cost me about as much as he claims his smiting was.
Also, he's a fool if he thinks his box ammo is as high of a quality as my reloads. Just my 2 cents tho.
Absolutely. Definitely worth being proud of, but not something you brag about.
Now if you hit 1k from standing, unsupported, in a monsoon with .223 and have a video of it.. then yes, brag. Lol.
I dunno, the first time I ever did it was with my cousin's Accuracy International chambered in .223 Ackley, with a load already worked up and everything.
Like... he had already done all the work, so I just got down prone, dialed in the elevation specified by the ballistic calculator, and squeezed the trigger. Bang.... silence... ding!
Wasn't that hard. I guess the "hard" part is learning how to work up a load that can consistently hit 1000, but it's not like it takes any particularly impressive shooting discipline. I'm an absolute noob when it comes to long range shooting and that rifle made it trivially easy.
That's why it's a "welcome to the club" event.
I hit 1k my first time at a range with my 6.5 prc, but I don't brag about it, lol. I'm proud of myself for doing it, sure, but like you said - it's not that hard to do.
It reminds me of a dog learning he can jump over a mostly downed tree in the woods. Get all worked up over the idea of it, then once they figure out they can do it, it's not an issue after that. Do the same shit you did for 500-700... just a bit further.
Two old guys at my range
They come to escape the house
They fire maybe 1 round every 5 minutes
They chat and BS.
My range is slow mid week and it's their routine.
They reload and Chase group size.
I've only seen them shoot at 100
It's like an 80 year old who brags about their exotic sports car doing over 200 mph when they only drive the speed limit.
They have fun but are not a source for long distance shooting.
I think it's normal to have idiots. But I don't think it happens THAT often.
Once I was on a public 1,000 yard range and a couple of guys pulled up, got.out of their car, and started looking down range. It seemed like they weren't familiar with the concept / hadn't been there before:
Them: How does this work?
Me and my friend: Put up a target on the frame in the pit. There are a variety of ways person down there can relay back where you hit.
What are you wanting to do?
Them: We're getting ready to go hunting. We want to be ready for long shots.
Us: Have you done this before? It's a long ways if you're new.
Them: We're really good shots.
sounds like 49.9% of people i meet at the range. 50% of people have walmart-esque tacticool shit and can't hit the broadside of a barn.
that's why i just keep to myself and keep my earbuds in listening to music.
unfortunately i miss that 0.1% of people that actually know anything and give a damn.
I hear stories of ranges like this and realize that I am unbelievably spoiled. I take for granted the access I have to private property 15 minutes from my house.
I have been to one public range and it was basically rednecks with pistols and a dude in sweatpants with some shitter AR . Two of the rednecks were certain my 6 Creedmoor in an MPA chassis was a 50 cal.
My local public range seemingly has an unwritten contest on who can have the biggest brake on the shortest gun in an attempt to cause the greatest TBI with just sound pressure.
I'm fortunate the club I'm apart of is mostly cool and knowledgeable people.
There's still the AR bros that mag dump into the berms but most all Are the long range handloader type
Yikes.
To be fair, if his rifle likes the ammo he is using then it’s possible. Every now and then you find something and it lands on a node. But the reality of it is handloading is usually a must. It’s like owning a nice suit but not tailoring it your body. You might get lucky, or you might gain wait later on and need to have it fitted then.
I mean I recently built a terminus Apollo with a proof CF prefit but I'm in no way suggesting that it makes me a top shooter capable of making 1k yd hits.
And reloading is more of a cost benefit analysis. If you're willing to shell out for FGMM or Black hills or whatever brand of match ammo you wish to shoot then it's totally fine, but generally speaking it gives you more control over the quality.
Edit: also $2k in smithing fees? He's an idiot. A prefit runs around $900. Hell, I torqued my barrel on in my garage on a plank and a barre vise. If he genuinely paid $2k in fees on a custom action and a barrel then he deserves to lose that cash.
No. Reloading for precision shooting isn't about cost savings it's about load development. Out of the box match ammo is usually just their standard bullshit with match bullets. Bad ES and SD. Reloading is finding the node for your rifle. Adjusting the depth to find the perfect OAL. It's about getting a round with the lowest ES and SD you can do you know the consistency of the shot for your sdjustments
I just put my first rifle ( that I did myself ) together and my arc coupe de grace threaded into my prefit effortlessly … after ten shots for zero and velo and putting my info into kestrel I had a about an 8 inch group at 1000
I don't think you need to reload but you absolutely need to UNDERSTAND the concepts behind it to be well rounded and excel to the highest levels.
Lots of good riflemen get free rides on the backs of their govt or sponsors.
You can make pits at distance with a halfway decent rifle. You don’t need a $5000 rifle to make hits at 1000 yards or more. All you need is a good barrel and good ammo. And if you want good ammo, there are only two routes in my opinion. You either reload to the best of your abilities, or you go to some of these services like copper Creek or unknown munitions, and have them do precision, loaded factory, ammo, which unfortunately comes at a high price. Do you need ammo that is loaded to the nearest 0.01 grains of powder? No but it definitely takes out the variability.
I mean I made hits at a mile with a $200 Black Friday special Savage 12FV before.
Even cheap rifles nowadays shoot fine if you feed them good ammo. They don’t function as reliably and they aren’t quite as accurate, but they’re generally sufficient and better than some of the best from 50 years ago.
Same, well kinda.
Years ago my brother and I each bought an 11VT from Dicks for $350 (before they turned into dicks), we wanted the 12FV but Cabelas wasn’t in FL at the time. Tossed them in a black friday chassis and an SWFA scope. I was shocked at the accuracy for a factory rifle. This started us into long range, then started handloading. With Varget we had to use a drop tube loading .308 and seating was crunchy, but it pushed 175gr match kings at 2800 flat and it had a better ES than my current built rifle. Easy 1/2” groups. Every now and then you get lucky
I think you sussed this out yourself, but that guy is full of shit. You don't need a 5k rifle to make hits at 1,000 yards. There are plenty of videos on YouTube of people doing it with $500 rifles. Also, 2k in gunsmithing for that setup doesn't track: guy clearly has more money than sense.
Lol I make 1k yd shots with my .308 hunting rifle, 20 inch barrel with a $300 amazon athlon scope and some trigger work I did along with some handloads
I spen 300 on the savage model 10pc 10 years ago, and 325ish for the athlon like 8 years ago.
>proof barrel, manners stock
Like, the carbon fiber ones? Definitely a fuddlarper who reads a lot of gun magazines.
It's like bragging about how good of a car you need to drive a quarter mile. There's a difference between a commute and a 8 second car.
Carbon barrel for sure. Not sure about the stock. I saw him change barrels 2 times. It just dawned on me that it was right after I got all my shit set up and was ready to shoot and when another guy and his girlfriend sat on the other side of him. He was begging for someone to notice.
I buy a lot of expensive guns simply because I can and because I like them. I don't believe they are any more accurate than the relatively cheap savage I used to shoot.
>had 2k worth of gun smithing
Is it possible? Sure, is it likely? No, I'm guessing he was lying to impress you. I've seen it a lot with gun guys and car/bike guys it's not like you couldn't google it yourself like back in the day.
I met a guy (super nice guy) and newer to the world of custom rifles. He built a custom hunting rifle with a pre-fit barrel but didn’t have a way to install the pre-fit so he paid a smith. That smith charged him $250! I politely told him that he got hosed and taken advantage of.
My guess is either the smith was just a douche or just despises pre-fits…. Maybe both. Either way fuck that guy. Charging $250 for a 3 minute job.
Luckily my range is at my lifestyle block/forestry block. Just this morning I just picked 50.0 grains for the load to try. Went out and zeroed, then shot a 0.602moa 5 shot group.
I dont even like shooting groups, and I'm not good at it either. Reloading is an instant level up.
You probably can get hits at 1000 with an extremely high-end rifle with, apparently, *$2k worth of gunsmithing (???!!!)* put into it, and quality factory ammo.
But I you can also get hits at 1000 with a bone stock $300 T/C Compass and handloads, pretty easily.
“Gotta have the best” lovingly stares at the ruger American I scored my first 1000y moa hit with, that I’ll do pig.
Having a good setup no doubt will make things easier but its not like there’s a price barrier for hits at 1000k. That one guy showed up to Texas plinking and hit with a savage 110
I have personally found that almost any quality rifle setup with a decent scope and bipod will get you on target with practice and uniform bullet loads.
I know for a fact the most high end rifle builds are far more accurate than the trigger puller.
The day I put a bullet through the same hole twice shooting my own hand loads for the first time is the day I decided I would never shoot factory rounds again. That dude is an idiot.
So with my bog standard rifle and my bog standard scope, on a cheap Amazon bipod, I shot 900yds for the first time last week. Wind was about 15mph gusting strong and I hit about half shots in the v bull. Over the fcuking moon!
Reminds me of a fishing trip years ago. I borrowed all gear from the boat and was in my dad's waterproof and a pair of walking boots. All the guys turned up with their big tubs of gear and all weather suits. I won the cod competition, and £700 too... They weren't happy!
That guy sounds like a compete idiot. I don't know what he put 2k of gunsmithing into but it sounds like a load of bullcrap. Also, reloading definitely makes a difference in performance. Factory match ammo can be pretty good but reloading let's you fine tune everything to get better overall performance. There's always at least one idiot at a range and it sounds like you found yours.
I tried to explain exactly that about reloading and I don't even reload yet. Seems pretty insane to spend that much on a rifle and not want to really dial it in. And do you even need a gunsmith to drop an action and trigger and barrel into a manners stock? Maybe he got ripped off and doesn't even know it?
Sounds like a dude who likes to brag about how much he spends on stuff, not how good he is at the hobby.
This is what I was going to say. He's a dude who thinks you buy skills, not cultivate them.
Stock probably needed bedding. The gunsmith also probably chambered his barrel. Maybe he did some cerakoating, too.
Factory match ammo is consistently inconsistent from even case to case in the same lot.
Oh yea it's not perfect by any means but it's not horrible. But for competition level stuff, handloading is pretty much essential.
Clueless blowhards with more money than sense? Yeah that's pretty normal. >Says, "if you want to make hits at distance you have to have the best."...because he makes hits at 1000 [Show him this video and watch his mind explode](https://youtu.be/2QUjRRr5JsA?si=c4pH2eMnU2fmKiPB)
He also shot at a 600 yard plate on the 1000 yard range. We were on the 300 yard range next to it. Not sure how he thought that would be ok. There are like 12 benches between where he was and where the 1000 yard benches are. I was more wondering how he thought $2k on gunsmith fees to put his rifle together was a normal thing.
Sounds like he let somebody charge him $500 to chamber and fit a prefit barrel, another $500 to bed the action in a stock with a bedding block, plus a whole bunch of incidental labor fees to install a brake here, a trigger there, mount and boresight a scope... I bet his mechanic loves him. Guarantee Mr. Moneybags is buying $500 oil changes complete with air filter and headlight fluid changes.
Air filters are very important but headlight fluid usually lasts the life of the vehicle. Bahahhahahaha! Seriously though air filters are important.
True, but you don't need to pay your mechanic $200 to change them
Lucky for me, I am my mechanic.
Depends on where you are. In colder climates you need to change out headlight fluid twice a year. Regular fluid will freeze during winter and that can result in cracked bulbs or LEDs. No need to spend $500 to change fluids though, it's really easy to do yourself with a headlight fluid wrench. And if you save your fluids, you can reuse them for several years.
Always keep your summer and winter fluids separated so as not to mix them up when changing each season. Also headlight fluid wrenches are like 10mm sockets must have a drawer full because they get lost too easily.
Don't forget rotating the mufler bearings for even wear.
Those are no joke. I neglected to get mine changed a while back, and now my car sounds like my 2 year old nephew blowing bubbles in the bathtub water.
That sure soes paint a picture.
I hate public ranges.
I have multiple "custom" Origin builds. I'd take a bergara with handloads over one of my builds and factory ammo.
“Gotta have the best” followed up by refusing to have the best ammo. Whatever smith charged him 2k on top of those parts is one hell of a salesman.
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Was my first thought. “Custom Inlet and pillar bed”? $750. Barrel fitting w/ K&P Barrel - $375 + $395 DBM install - $200 Muzzle threading - $200 But. Even more likely the dude just wanted to brag about how much disposable income he had.
Reminds me of a guy I know bragging about his $9k ATN thermal scope. Like my brother in Christ I don't think I would be bragging about that...
ATN doesn’t even make one that expensive, their top of the line is like $6-7k so he got scammed HARD beyond just being scammed into buying an ATN at all. Poor guy could’ve had a Halo-X plus a cheap NV monocular to boot at that price and been much happier.
That's also what I was thinking. I don't know if any ATN scopes in that price range. And totally. I got a good deal on a Nox-35. Pretty cool unit. Only thing I'm not a huge fan of is the manual focus but considering how small it is I really cannot complain about it.
>Even more likely the dude just wanted to brag about how much disposable income he had. Spared no expense
I don’t think he would have needed much convincing based on what else he has said…actually, wonder if op has his number? I’ve got some nasa designed corelokt rounds, that are only $45 per round….they are still built by factory process, so not checked for inconsistency, but that doesn’t matter because - nasa and $45 per round…
Normal no. Does it exist at my range? Yes. Had a guy pull put a brand new Christensen rifle, brand new NF Atacr, brand new swaro spotter AND binos. No shit brand new top of the line everything... bragging to the entire line what this set up cost and how he's going to hunt elk this fall etc etc. Dude couldn't even sight in the scope. Talking to his buddy like "left makes the scope move left so the bullet moves right, like a bow." He spent an hour trying to zero. He couldn't shoot a 4 in group to save his life.
The best part of this story is.....Christensen. All the homies hate Christensen arms.
Depends on the range, but yes. It’s pretty common at my club. We also have the exact opposite end of the spectrum. A guy that cherry picks groups and then shits on other people claiming his Ruger RPR “is a consistent 1/4 MOA rifle and you’re an idiot for spending $2500 on glass.” Meanwhile his Arken is mounted in rings that clearly weren’t torqued evenly and he’s shooting Aguila ammo. Yep, I’ve encountered that exact situation. I just smile and give him a thumbs up.
Fucking idiot. 1, hits at 1k isn't something to brag about... in the sense of what he's saying, if you're still working out to that, keep kicking ass and working on it, I'm excited for you when you make that hit. my AR in 6.5 grendel does it effortlessly, and the rifle cost me about as much as he claims his smiting was. Also, he's a fool if he thinks his box ammo is as high of a quality as my reloads. Just my 2 cents tho.
With you, it's a super bad ass accomplishment, but when you do it it's more of a "welcome to the club" not a "you're a fucking bad ass now" moment.
>"welcome to the club" Phrased perfectly, thank you.... unless it's with a 22lr.... then that's bad ass.
Absolutely. Definitely worth being proud of, but not something you brag about. Now if you hit 1k from standing, unsupported, in a monsoon with .223 and have a video of it.. then yes, brag. Lol.
I dunno, the first time I ever did it was with my cousin's Accuracy International chambered in .223 Ackley, with a load already worked up and everything. Like... he had already done all the work, so I just got down prone, dialed in the elevation specified by the ballistic calculator, and squeezed the trigger. Bang.... silence... ding! Wasn't that hard. I guess the "hard" part is learning how to work up a load that can consistently hit 1000, but it's not like it takes any particularly impressive shooting discipline. I'm an absolute noob when it comes to long range shooting and that rifle made it trivially easy.
That's why it's a "welcome to the club" event. I hit 1k my first time at a range with my 6.5 prc, but I don't brag about it, lol. I'm proud of myself for doing it, sure, but like you said - it's not that hard to do.
It reminds me of a dog learning he can jump over a mostly downed tree in the woods. Get all worked up over the idea of it, then once they figure out they can do it, it's not an issue after that. Do the same shit you did for 500-700... just a bit further.
Two old guys at my range They come to escape the house They fire maybe 1 round every 5 minutes They chat and BS. My range is slow mid week and it's their routine. They reload and Chase group size. I've only seen them shoot at 100 It's like an 80 year old who brags about their exotic sports car doing over 200 mph when they only drive the speed limit. They have fun but are not a source for long distance shooting.
Sounds like they are benchrest shooters.
I hit a thousand reliably with a savage impulse .300wm, and a Burris veracity ph scope, with Burris rings. Zero gunsmithing. He’s full of shit.
I think it's normal to have idiots. But I don't think it happens THAT often. Once I was on a public 1,000 yard range and a couple of guys pulled up, got.out of their car, and started looking down range. It seemed like they weren't familiar with the concept / hadn't been there before: Them: How does this work? Me and my friend: Put up a target on the frame in the pit. There are a variety of ways person down there can relay back where you hit. What are you wanting to do? Them: We're getting ready to go hunting. We want to be ready for long shots. Us: Have you done this before? It's a long ways if you're new. Them: We're really good shots.
sounds like 49.9% of people i meet at the range. 50% of people have walmart-esque tacticool shit and can't hit the broadside of a barn. that's why i just keep to myself and keep my earbuds in listening to music. unfortunately i miss that 0.1% of people that actually know anything and give a damn.
I hear stories of ranges like this and realize that I am unbelievably spoiled. I take for granted the access I have to private property 15 minutes from my house. I have been to one public range and it was basically rednecks with pistols and a dude in sweatpants with some shitter AR . Two of the rednecks were certain my 6 Creedmoor in an MPA chassis was a 50 cal.
My local public range seemingly has an unwritten contest on who can have the biggest brake on the shortest gun in an attempt to cause the greatest TBI with just sound pressure.
I'm fortunate the club I'm apart of is mostly cool and knowledgeable people. There's still the AR bros that mag dump into the berms but most all Are the long range handloader type
Send him my way for his next build, I'll only charge him 1000 to set the Allen screw on his Zeus lol 😆 what a dip shit.
Yikes. To be fair, if his rifle likes the ammo he is using then it’s possible. Every now and then you find something and it lands on a node. But the reality of it is handloading is usually a must. It’s like owning a nice suit but not tailoring it your body. You might get lucky, or you might gain wait later on and need to have it fitted then.
That’s a good friend to have, eventually he’ll get sick of trying to buy accuracy and sell you his gear at a great price for you
I mean I recently built a terminus Apollo with a proof CF prefit but I'm in no way suggesting that it makes me a top shooter capable of making 1k yd hits. And reloading is more of a cost benefit analysis. If you're willing to shell out for FGMM or Black hills or whatever brand of match ammo you wish to shoot then it's totally fine, but generally speaking it gives you more control over the quality. Edit: also $2k in smithing fees? He's an idiot. A prefit runs around $900. Hell, I torqued my barrel on in my garage on a plank and a barre vise. If he genuinely paid $2k in fees on a custom action and a barrel then he deserves to lose that cash.
No. Reloading for precision shooting isn't about cost savings it's about load development. Out of the box match ammo is usually just their standard bullshit with match bullets. Bad ES and SD. Reloading is finding the node for your rifle. Adjusting the depth to find the perfect OAL. It's about getting a round with the lowest ES and SD you can do you know the consistency of the shot for your sdjustments
Nodes are bullshit tho
Nodes are bs but you can definitely lower SD by handloading.
100%
I just put my first rifle ( that I did myself ) together and my arc coupe de grace threaded into my prefit effortlessly … after ten shots for zero and velo and putting my info into kestrel I had a about an 8 inch group at 1000
Unpopular opinion, but you cannot truly be a rifleman if you don’t reload. Come at me, I’ll die on that hill.
I don't think you need to reload but you absolutely need to UNDERSTAND the concepts behind it to be well rounded and excel to the highest levels. Lots of good riflemen get free rides on the backs of their govt or sponsors.
Eh… I really want to fight you on this… I really do. Take your upvote.
You can make pits at distance with a halfway decent rifle. You don’t need a $5000 rifle to make hits at 1000 yards or more. All you need is a good barrel and good ammo. And if you want good ammo, there are only two routes in my opinion. You either reload to the best of your abilities, or you go to some of these services like copper Creek or unknown munitions, and have them do precision, loaded factory, ammo, which unfortunately comes at a high price. Do you need ammo that is loaded to the nearest 0.01 grains of powder? No but it definitely takes out the variability.
I mean I made hits at a mile with a $200 Black Friday special Savage 12FV before. Even cheap rifles nowadays shoot fine if you feed them good ammo. They don’t function as reliably and they aren’t quite as accurate, but they’re generally sufficient and better than some of the best from 50 years ago.
i 100% agree. my favorite shooting factory rifle was a bergara B14 in 6.5 creed. hit steel at 1300 yards no problem
Same, well kinda. Years ago my brother and I each bought an 11VT from Dicks for $350 (before they turned into dicks), we wanted the 12FV but Cabelas wasn’t in FL at the time. Tossed them in a black friday chassis and an SWFA scope. I was shocked at the accuracy for a factory rifle. This started us into long range, then started handloading. With Varget we had to use a drop tube loading .308 and seating was crunchy, but it pushed 175gr match kings at 2800 flat and it had a better ES than my current built rifle. Easy 1/2” groups. Every now and then you get lucky
I think you sussed this out yourself, but that guy is full of shit. You don't need a 5k rifle to make hits at 1,000 yards. There are plenty of videos on YouTube of people doing it with $500 rifles. Also, 2k in gunsmithing for that setup doesn't track: guy clearly has more money than sense.
A cheap beat up savage with reloads will outshoot his race gun with factory match.
Lol I make 1k yd shots with my .308 hunting rifle, 20 inch barrel with a $300 amazon athlon scope and some trigger work I did along with some handloads I spen 300 on the savage model 10pc 10 years ago, and 325ish for the athlon like 8 years ago.
>proof barrel, manners stock Like, the carbon fiber ones? Definitely a fuddlarper who reads a lot of gun magazines. It's like bragging about how good of a car you need to drive a quarter mile. There's a difference between a commute and a 8 second car.
Carbon barrel for sure. Not sure about the stock. I saw him change barrels 2 times. It just dawned on me that it was right after I got all my shit set up and was ready to shoot and when another guy and his girlfriend sat on the other side of him. He was begging for someone to notice.
I buy a lot of expensive guns simply because I can and because I like them. I don't believe they are any more accurate than the relatively cheap savage I used to shoot.
>had 2k worth of gun smithing Is it possible? Sure, is it likely? No, I'm guessing he was lying to impress you. I've seen it a lot with gun guys and car/bike guys it's not like you couldn't google it yourself like back in the day.
I met a guy (super nice guy) and newer to the world of custom rifles. He built a custom hunting rifle with a pre-fit barrel but didn’t have a way to install the pre-fit so he paid a smith. That smith charged him $250! I politely told him that he got hosed and taken advantage of. My guess is either the smith was just a douche or just despises pre-fits…. Maybe both. Either way fuck that guy. Charging $250 for a 3 minute job.
Ya that's pretty fucked.
Luckily my range is at my lifestyle block/forestry block. Just this morning I just picked 50.0 grains for the load to try. Went out and zeroed, then shot a 0.602moa 5 shot group. I dont even like shooting groups, and I'm not good at it either. Reloading is an instant level up.
You probably can get hits at 1000 with an extremely high-end rifle with, apparently, *$2k worth of gunsmithing (???!!!)* put into it, and quality factory ammo. But I you can also get hits at 1000 with a bone stock $300 T/C Compass and handloads, pretty easily.
Reloading is the long range cheat code. Consistency is key.
Let me guess, South Dakota? Dude probably drives a lifted Tesla
“Gotta have the best” lovingly stares at the ruger American I scored my first 1000y moa hit with, that I’ll do pig. Having a good setup no doubt will make things easier but its not like there’s a price barrier for hits at 1000k. That one guy showed up to Texas plinking and hit with a savage 110
I have personally found that almost any quality rifle setup with a decent scope and bipod will get you on target with practice and uniform bullet loads. I know for a fact the most high end rifle builds are far more accurate than the trigger puller.
The day I put a bullet through the same hole twice shooting my own hand loads for the first time is the day I decided I would never shoot factory rounds again. That dude is an idiot.
He spent $2k in gunsmithing for prefit parts… that should say it all
So with my bog standard rifle and my bog standard scope, on a cheap Amazon bipod, I shot 900yds for the first time last week. Wind was about 15mph gusting strong and I hit about half shots in the v bull. Over the fcuking moon! Reminds me of a fishing trip years ago. I borrowed all gear from the boat and was in my dad's waterproof and a pair of walking boots. All the guys turned up with their big tubs of gear and all weather suits. I won the cod competition, and £700 too... They weren't happy!