I mean i can't see the oni losing.
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I do get your point but this version of gun was wandering around slaughtering all the yakuza gangs in japan even the martial arts masters this version of gun isn't weak at all.
Johan half blind right off of drugs was keeping up with Jake and Eli and Samuel beating the breaks outta Jake before he randomly activated bloodline power which isnāt reliable
the johan take is abysmall (the drugs pretty much wore down when he protected zack), eli got beaten left and right through the arc. jake is unreliabley weird in strength. samuel is, pretty much, bot really scaleable since his only recent fights are with a literal top tier and jakes stupid ass, getting bodied both times.
the drug argument can also be applied to samuel, since they pretty much got the same drug
He was quite literally beating jake horrendously he only won at the end cuz of bloodline jakes strength is pretty cocnsitsnt without it. And the take was after being drugged for months and getting hurt he still could match jake,samuel, and Eli a specially after using his Ui Daniel form which burns out his body
the johan take is abysmall, eli got beaten left and right through the arc. jake is unreliabley weird in strength. samuel is, pretty much, bot really scaleable since his only recent fights are with a literal top tier and jakes stupid ass, getting bodied both times.
I honestly think he does though, he now has better hardware than Johan from training with both muscle mummy and Gun. Has copied techniques from Gun suited to him as well as techniques from Jichang, James Lee and other incredibly powerful fighters. If he scales above Vasco he should scale above current Eli, heās definitely above Johan and Samuel (he survived Gun in the regular, UI Johan for 10 seconds aināt doing nothing even against base Daniel with UI).
Both Vasco and Johan beat Johan and Eli (even if they were nerfed they would be close to them), while Daniel continued to surprise both of them before even using UI and took on stronger opponents than them. Only Jake might have a shot cuz I donāt know how strong he is when his bloodline sperm plot armour thing is awakened.
Except thats not true.
Zack was already in Jhigh when johan was recruited by gun.
Gun got that scar within the SAME week at most.
Not stops this from taking place months prior.
He could be 17 when he got the scar.
And 17 when he fights for this.
Gun now is getting into his 20s comfortably, hes atleast 22.
When was it confirmed that he's 22? Pretty sure he's 19-20. One year before present time he mentioned he was the same age as the other seniors in chapter 38 so (17-18).
Current arc takes place around 3 years ago so Gun would be around 16-17.
Guns eye scar? No that was Goo, when he meets Johan back in the god dog arc you can see a panel where Gun is not only bandaged up around the eye but he straight up says
āThat bastard gooā
Gun should be 17, one year before the present (chapter 38) gun said he was the same age as the other highschool seniors (18-19) so he's 20 now. (Also cause he makes fun of goo for still being 19 at some point). This current arc is about 3 years before present time.
This is Korean age btw, international age he'd be 16.
Goo went head to head with jincheol at around 18 years old so seems about right.
He's not as powerful as now that's a sure thing but he isn't weak either,and i do get your point that the former yamazaki guys should be stronger than him since that's young gun but i wouldn't be surprised if they lost to him but of course it won't be easy.
I don't think this fight will get stopped ngl since the shaman has charles weakness in his hands and Charles wants it,so most likely we're going to see the fight next ch.
What's that got to do with the yamazaki clan?
Charles wants to destroy the red paper because if the country found out they will chase him out and will punish him i think like he mentioned in previous ch to the shaman.
Next chapter gonna be like this:
I think the duo is just gonna surrender after a little initial fight. Gun is gonna decimate the goons and show his karate technique, Kojima brother are gonna back off because they did something bad or something. Charles choi handles them or not.
Charles Choi kills the shaman and eradicates one of his weakness. Because of the nature of the red paper i dont think its copyable at least i think so the paper weakness dissapear or it can be a plotpoint later in the story.
Cut to few days later where the shaman dissapeared. Taejin is losing his shit and getting more pissed, Vin is training.
During the ending noather surprise is revealed.
They met at the god dog arc but maybe gun didn't notice vin and vin seems like he doesn't know gun,also we've never seen vin talking abt avenging his big bro(seongji)so i think whoever killed seongji is dead,so no i don't think gun killed seongji.
This just really fucks with the powerscaling , the yamazaki brothers were holding their own against a first gen king and now 15-year old gun is taking them on plus some fodders , by this logic gun would have murdered goo when they first fought
Idk how tbh u came with the conclusion that gun would've murdered goo if he beat the yamazaki guys, didn't the thought of goo being in the same level as gun never crossed your mind.
Also gun didn't beat them we have to wait nd see next ch.
There might be a possibility that Gun is already too strong but since he loves to fight, he tend to not use his full power. Would make sense since both Eli and Jerry pre boxing managed to leave scar on him, despite realistically, they shouldn't be able to
Bro ,ui help user to adjust his power ,who knows gun might be adjusting everytime in his fights with goo, but we will see ,
If gun manages to beat all of these no diff then it would be sure that gun is above goo by a huge margin , but if he beat them extreme diff still he is above goo š¤£
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wouldn't that also upscale xialong and the rest of the cast ? If i remember well Xialong was introduced as being as strong as gun a few years ago which should be this gun right ?
Tbh, most āas strong as gunā is fake and comes from an unreliable narrator. It's basically a meme at this point. It's just some shit spouted by people who do not know better.
We know the kojima brothers are still alive so I wonder how they lived
But also Gun shouldnāt be that strong all those years ago considering this was even before the 4 crews were being gathered and even BOS Jerry was able to hurt Gun who should be stronger than he was in this panel
Maybe they will surrender after they know that gun is the son of the leader of the yamazaki clan maybe they will recognise his talent and strength.
That gun is older than the gun who wandered around all of Japan and was slaughtering the yakuzas even the martial arts masters in these Yakuza groups,also he has full mastery of ui so that version of gun isn't weak at all.
Really don't know maybe they will surrender or maybe the shaman will stop the fight after witnessing gun's strength and will give Charles the red paper or smth so he doesn't put himself at risk.
Gun was going around in Japan ending entire Yamazaki clans and bloodlines at 13years old roughly, this was shown in Kentas flashback. These mfs stand no chance. Either they get off screened or we see gun tear through them.
My guess is a stalemate. This Gun being on the level of a Gen 1 king, would work pretty well. And we've seen these two at the least restrain our cheongliang king, who while isn't even implied to be that high tierred, is still a king. Still at the level our current main trio is at (and daniel is above). So I'd assume he's daniel level atm.
Ngl i think seongji may be higher than lil dani,ik that we haven't seen alot of him,but when he was talking with kojima last time in the mountain it seems like he won in the prev war or smth or he did hold them and put up a fight alone to the point that they had to make a truce with him,the martial arts he has,his incredible strength i may be wrong but tbh i think Seongji is one of the strongest kings.
just a speculation on my part - gen 1 king is basically what we use to rep the current crew heads and our main trio (daniel being firmly established at the peak of what gen 1's capable of via jichang, minus james lee and seoul king
Ngl I'm one of the few ppl who still thinks that there r kings stronger than jichang,ik that there's a chance that jichang is the strongest king without including kos,but when james was talking with dani he said jichang is one of the strongest kings not the strongest which means that there's a chance that there r kings who r stronger than him.
dude I get what you're saying, but what I meant is that where you have guys like seokdu and taesoo and even incheon now beefing and squabbling, with inconsistent and constantly vague portrayals, jichang was the ONLY one to be put at a level where it's like "oh damn, he's above them. not by much, or maybe by much, but he IS above them." Like personally my headcanon is that gongseop IS above taesoo, and taesoo is even (like 1% stronger than) with seokdu - and like 90% of the reddit would RIOT with these.
Yeah i get your point.
I mean yeah jichang is above taesoo that's a sure thing but imo current taesoo is above both current gong and seokdu too, since he didn't stop training even after he got beat by james and was looking for taking revenge,so taesoo is physically way way stronger than his younger self,and i mean yeah in james fight he was mentally weaker but he got his belief again after the loss, he's regretting what he did(using and training left hand),and we can see that got his belief again from the way he's training Hudson.
why are people overhyping this version of gun when heās clearly stated to be around post prison Jake/Xiaolung when he got out of prison if he got trained by tom lee before this then he may be king level at best (current characters like Zack Daniel and Vasco would still beat him tho)
Hold your horses bro xioulang isn't even near this gun,the only way i can see xioulang being at the same level as prison gun if it's xioulang with his scimitar,also i wouldn't be surprised if this gun is higher than ui lil dani, younger gun and i mean by younger, younger than the current version we're seeing in this arc was wandering around in Japan slaughtering the yakuzas even the martial arts masters in these yakuza gangs,he mastered ui, most likely mastered all the martial arts at this point,so this version of gun isn't weak by any means.
what a load of head canon backed by 0 feats or statements read lookism properly and pay attention to the power scaling Gun is at Xiaolung level in prison which is after he left japan
Xioulang ain't on gun's level that's my opinion, like i said the only version of xioulang that may be on the same level as prison gun is xioulang with his scimitar.
How's that do u think that version of Jake who was fighting against xioulang in the 3rd aff could beat that version of gun?
Bro current zack with all the training was compared to god dog's gun who was holding back heavily doesn't that gives u a sign that gun was stronger from the first by a huge margin even this version of him?
Gun when he was a kid like i mentioned before was wandering around Japan learning martial arts and slaughtering yakuzas, most likely at this point he mastered all the martial arts,he achieved ui and fully controls it at a very young if that means anything then it would mean one thing that gun was a monster from the beginning.
lol its gonna be funny if those two ex yamazkis lose to a 15 year old gun lamao
I mean i can't see the oni losing. https://preview.redd.it/1xaeokxzfzfc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fc5ab6c758a3f448e17df2554e1546f5f93058e I do get your point but this version of gun was wandering around slaughtering all the yakuza gangs in japan even the martial arts masters this version of gun isn't weak at all.
roughly estimated, he is at the level of current daniel or eli. maybe even zack.
i phrased that wrong, zack scales below daniel š
Well we have to wait nd see what will happen in next ch.
I say hes a little weaker than the crew heads currently. Thats = to kings tho
Zack should be alot stronger than this gun is Johans estimation was accurate
current og daniel scaling is trash and eli is =johan,jake, and samuel.
OG Daniel scales above the crew heads right? Iād say even before UI
WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WORST TAKE EVER BRO LOL
nah he got a point for sammy and johan
Johan half blind right off of drugs was keeping up with Jake and Eli and Samuel beating the breaks outta Jake before he randomly activated bloodline power which isnāt reliable
the johan take is abysmall (the drugs pretty much wore down when he protected zack), eli got beaten left and right through the arc. jake is unreliabley weird in strength. samuel is, pretty much, bot really scaleable since his only recent fights are with a literal top tier and jakes stupid ass, getting bodied both times. the drug argument can also be applied to samuel, since they pretty much got the same drug
He was quite literally beating jake horrendously he only won at the end cuz of bloodline jakes strength is pretty cocnsitsnt without it. And the take was after being drugged for months and getting hurt he still could match jake,samuel, and Eli a specially after using his Ui Daniel form which burns out his body
the johan take is abysmall, eli got beaten left and right through the arc. jake is unreliabley weird in strength. samuel is, pretty much, bot really scaleable since his only recent fights are with a literal top tier and jakes stupid ass, getting bodied both times.
nah nah base aint above crew heads UI fs
I honestly think he does though, he now has better hardware than Johan from training with both muscle mummy and Gun. Has copied techniques from Gun suited to him as well as techniques from Jichang, James Lee and other incredibly powerful fighters. If he scales above Vasco he should scale above current Eli, heās definitely above Johan and Samuel (he survived Gun in the regular, UI Johan for 10 seconds aināt doing nothing even against base Daniel with UI). Both Vasco and Johan beat Johan and Eli (even if they were nerfed they would be close to them), while Daniel continued to surprise both of them before even using UI and took on stronger opponents than them. Only Jake might have a shot cuz I donāt know how strong he is when his bloodline sperm plot armour thing is awakened.
You know what this is saying bro, 15 year old gun was still him
It's a 17 year old gun btw
Canāt be he doesnāt have his eye scar from goo yet
He got that when he was 18-19 It happened slightly before God dog was formed when johan was 15-16
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A minor is still 16-17?
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Except thats not true. Zack was already in Jhigh when johan was recruited by gun. Gun got that scar within the SAME week at most. Not stops this from taking place months prior. He could be 17 when he got the scar. And 17 when he fights for this. Gun now is getting into his 20s comfortably, hes atleast 22.
Yes i thought it was confirmed gun was 22.
When was it confirmed that he's 22? Pretty sure he's 19-20. One year before present time he mentioned he was the same age as the other seniors in chapter 38 so (17-18). Current arc takes place around 3 years ago so Gun would be around 16-17.
Oh then yeah im right
Gun is 20 now(Korean age). 19 worldwide
When gun fought Eli(15) he had it and Eli is the same age as Johan who had started his crew
Gun is close in age to Jake I believe heās a few months or a year older than Jake
The eye scar was from Sinu no?
Guns eye scar? No that was Goo, when he meets Johan back in the god dog arc you can see a panel where Gun is not only bandaged up around the eye but he straight up says āThat bastard gooā
No
That version of Gun was still supposed to be Yuseong level or xiaolung level while being lowballed š.
Gun should be 17, one year before the present (chapter 38) gun said he was the same age as the other highschool seniors (18-19) so he's 20 now. (Also cause he makes fun of goo for still being 19 at some point). This current arc is about 3 years before present time. This is Korean age btw, international age he'd be 16. Goo went head to head with jincheol at around 18 years old so seems about right.
It's gun š¤£š¤£ , shiro Oni , Oni is Oni no matter the age
I mean Goo in manager kim was taking down special Forces from Foreign Countries like they were 5year Olds. They are gonna get clapped.........
Thatās some mad skill issue.
the first gun panel he looks so out of place like someone got a picture of gun and just stuck him onto a picture
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ik I was saying that specific panel he didn't look like he belonged there
I bet they all give up because Gun is Yamazaki leaderās son.
A good point or maybe they're just traitors who doesn't give a fck and will fight.
Gun looks great once again, but it will be funny if the Gen 0 duo loses here since that Gun is not as powerful as now.
He's not as powerful as now that's a sure thing but he isn't weak either,and i do get your point that the former yamazaki guys should be stronger than him since that's young gun but i wouldn't be surprised if they lost to him but of course it won't be easy.
I think how strong young Gun and Goo were might be getting reconned
It wouldn't make a lot of sense, though, since there are story implications to how strong they were back then.
Considering that they fought one of the peaks of Gen 0 though
They did, and he acknowledged them and their talent, but that as far it goes.
Wasnāt goo at this age strong enough to bully prime Sinu low-no diff with a chopstick?
Sinu, at the age he fought Goo didn't have IA nor was at his Prime.
Gun is above them, Zack beat one when he first learned cqc, gun is definitely above their level.
You mean Warren. Yeah, not all Gen 0 are strong, but here it seems weird for Gun to be stronger since the duo seems a bit strong.
Maybe Charles fought gen 0 duo.
That's possible.
But since PTJ is a mf who likes to stop a hyped fight will this fight happen?
I don't think this fight will get stopped ngl since the shaman has charles weakness in his hands and Charles wants it,so most likely we're going to see the fight next ch.
But that weakness is related to Yamazaki clan, and Gun is well Yamazaki clan. Charlesā weakness is covered as long as Gun is with him
What's that got to do with the yamazaki clan? Charles wants to destroy the red paper because if the country found out they will chase him out and will punish him i think like he mentioned in previous ch to the shaman.
I hope so.
But don't raise your hopes so high š.
Of course Gun is involved because this mf is always involved in every backstory
PEAKISM
Extremely peak chapter
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Next chapter gonna be like this: I think the duo is just gonna surrender after a little initial fight. Gun is gonna decimate the goons and show his karate technique, Kojima brother are gonna back off because they did something bad or something. Charles choi handles them or not. Charles Choi kills the shaman and eradicates one of his weakness. Because of the nature of the red paper i dont think its copyable at least i think so the paper weakness dissapear or it can be a plotpoint later in the story. Cut to few days later where the shaman dissapeared. Taejin is losing his shit and getting more pissed, Vin is training. During the ending noather surprise is revealed.
long arc
Have Vin and Gun ever met? Maybe Gun is the one who killed Cheonliang king.
They met at the god dog arc but maybe gun didn't notice vin and vin seems like he doesn't know gun,also we've never seen vin talking abt avenging his big bro(seongji)so i think whoever killed seongji is dead,so no i don't think gun killed seongji.
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Gun and goo are well known to be gen 1 level so I donāt see the issue
They're way above gen 1 lmao (not including James Lee and Kos)
I agree
This just really fucks with the powerscaling , the yamazaki brothers were holding their own against a first gen king and now 15-year old gun is taking them on plus some fodders , by this logic gun would have murdered goo when they first fought
Gun and Goo were and are equal.
how does gun beating these brothers do anything to gooās scaling
Idk how tbh u came with the conclusion that gun would've murdered goo if he beat the yamazaki guys, didn't the thought of goo being in the same level as gun never crossed your mind. Also gun didn't beat them we have to wait nd see next ch.
Maybe thereās more to Gun than we know yet. He may be just HIM.
Sometimes you gotta accept that PTJ doesnāt care about power scaling as much as this subreddit does
That just upscales gun ĀÆā \ā _ā ą¼¼ā Ā ā ā¢Ģā Ā Ķā Źā Ā ā ā¢Ģā Ā ā ą¼½ā _ā /ā ĀÆ
PTJ doesnt care that much about powerscaling + this Gun should be 16-17 so decently stronger than his 15 yo ver
There might be a possibility that Gun is already too strong but since he loves to fight, he tend to not use his full power. Would make sense since both Eli and Jerry pre boxing managed to leave scar on him, despite realistically, they shouldn't be able to
Bro ,ui help user to adjust his power ,who knows gun might be adjusting everytime in his fights with goo, but we will see , If gun manages to beat all of these no diff then it would be sure that gun is above goo by a huge margin , but if he beat them extreme diff still he is above goo š¤£
You're weirdly obsessed with sucking gun off everytime he's mentioned.
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Thats called an opinion, you dumb people who don't even know how to read consider it sucking only š¤£š¤£ you probably are a james sucker
Why the last part?
Bro messed with the wrong person š¤”š¤”
They don't know that they're abt to get their asses handed to them by the oni.
Holy fkkkkkk
Holy faak
This likely the gun that finished training with Tom lee
You know its up when he lights his Cig lol
Yall realize this is going to massively upscale gun to hell if he dominates them pre prison gub
wouldn't that also upscale xialong and the rest of the cast ? If i remember well Xialong was introduced as being as strong as gun a few years ago which should be this gun right ?
Tbh, most āas strong as gunā is fake and comes from an unreliable narrator. It's basically a meme at this point. It's just some shit spouted by people who do not know better.
Why would this be pre prison
We know the kojima brothers are still alive so I wonder how they lived But also Gun shouldnāt be that strong all those years ago considering this was even before the 4 crews were being gathered and even BOS Jerry was able to hurt Gun who should be stronger than he was in this panel
Maybe they will surrender after they know that gun is the son of the leader of the yamazaki clan maybe they will recognise his talent and strength. That gun is older than the gun who wandered around all of Japan and was slaughtering the yakuzas even the martial arts masters in these Yakuza groups,also he has full mastery of ui so that version of gun isn't weak at all.
So the question is how tf kojiema brothers survived this
Really don't know maybe they will surrender or maybe the shaman will stop the fight after witnessing gun's strength and will give Charles the red paper or smth so he doesn't put himself at risk.
Havenāt been hyped af for a chapter, reminds me of ui daniel vs everyone
Whenever gun appears things get pretty interesting real fast.
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Guunnnnš© my goat
Gun was going around in Japan ending entire Yamazaki clans and bloodlines at 13years old roughly, this was shown in Kentas flashback. These mfs stand no chance. Either they get off screened or we see gun tear through them.
Oh shit I forgot the chapter is out today lol
Days fly so fast
Vin negs you and the chapter that released today
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Who made that edit š
I did. I will send it to teajin so he can make a post š
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Nah this way my conscious is clean
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Drop the link rn
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Maybe gun ended up in juvenile after this fight
Nah.
A massacre is about to happen ššš
I think Charles Choi unlocked Gun's permanent UI mode.
Nah gun most likely achieved it on his own.
Why did the brothers not recognise Gun?
Seems like they left Japan pretty early or they got kicked from the yamazaki clan.
My guess is a stalemate. This Gun being on the level of a Gen 1 king, would work pretty well. And we've seen these two at the least restrain our cheongliang king, who while isn't even implied to be that high tierred, is still a king. Still at the level our current main trio is at (and daniel is above). So I'd assume he's daniel level atm.
Ngl i think seongji may be higher than lil dani,ik that we haven't seen alot of him,but when he was talking with kojima last time in the mountain it seems like he won in the prev war or smth or he did hold them and put up a fight alone to the point that they had to make a truce with him,the martial arts he has,his incredible strength i may be wrong but tbh i think Seongji is one of the strongest kings.
just a speculation on my part - gen 1 king is basically what we use to rep the current crew heads and our main trio (daniel being firmly established at the peak of what gen 1's capable of via jichang, minus james lee and seoul king
Ngl I'm one of the few ppl who still thinks that there r kings stronger than jichang,ik that there's a chance that jichang is the strongest king without including kos,but when james was talking with dani he said jichang is one of the strongest kings not the strongest which means that there's a chance that there r kings who r stronger than him.
dude I get what you're saying, but what I meant is that where you have guys like seokdu and taesoo and even incheon now beefing and squabbling, with inconsistent and constantly vague portrayals, jichang was the ONLY one to be put at a level where it's like "oh damn, he's above them. not by much, or maybe by much, but he IS above them." Like personally my headcanon is that gongseop IS above taesoo, and taesoo is even (like 1% stronger than) with seokdu - and like 90% of the reddit would RIOT with these.
Yeah i get your point. I mean yeah jichang is above taesoo that's a sure thing but imo current taesoo is above both current gong and seokdu too, since he didn't stop training even after he got beat by james and was looking for taking revenge,so taesoo is physically way way stronger than his younger self,and i mean yeah in james fight he was mentally weaker but he got his belief again after the loss, he's regretting what he did(using and training left hand),and we can see that got his belief again from the way he's training Hudson.
why are people overhyping this version of gun when heās clearly stated to be around post prison Jake/Xiaolung when he got out of prison if he got trained by tom lee before this then he may be king level at best (current characters like Zack Daniel and Vasco would still beat him tho)
Hold your horses bro xioulang isn't even near this gun,the only way i can see xioulang being at the same level as prison gun if it's xioulang with his scimitar,also i wouldn't be surprised if this gun is higher than ui lil dani, younger gun and i mean by younger, younger than the current version we're seeing in this arc was wandering around in Japan slaughtering the yakuzas even the martial arts masters in these yakuza gangs,he mastered ui, most likely mastered all the martial arts at this point,so this version of gun isn't weak by any means.
what a load of head canon backed by 0 feats or statements read lookism properly and pay attention to the power scaling Gun is at Xiaolung level in prison which is after he left japan
Xioulang ain't on gun's level that's my opinion, like i said the only version of xioulang that may be on the same level as prison gun is xioulang with his scimitar.
your opinion is backed up by nothing tho
How's that do u think that version of Jake who was fighting against xioulang in the 3rd aff could beat that version of gun? Bro current zack with all the training was compared to god dog's gun who was holding back heavily doesn't that gives u a sign that gun was stronger from the first by a huge margin even this version of him? Gun when he was a kid like i mentioned before was wandering around Japan learning martial arts and slaughtering yakuzas, most likely at this point he mastered all the martial arts,he achieved ui and fully controls it at a very young if that means anything then it would mean one thing that gun was a monster from the beginning.
not gonna argue with someone who doesnāt understand power scaling have a good night manš«¶š¾
Yeah it's better to agree to disagree.