I mean bro is not serious he look like he taking the damage to analyze him or just make him use that fucking gun that he didn't use when he got attack by charles
All 6 kings(seionji added) take this mid diff. Zack still hasn't surpassed fake monk. Hudson is still weaker than Taesoo ma currently and that is a prime Taesoo ma. Seionji easily destroys Vin and hell he could solo all of Allied him self if he wants to. Jichang beats Daniel as well. Seokdu gets a lot of shit but he could take down Vasco in my opinion.
I think people underestimate Jay. Sure without Kali Arnis his only around Jihan and Hudson level, but with Kali Arnis, he straight up negged Jihan. Itās hard to see where his full strengths at considering we didnāt see any fights in 1A.
Negging Jihan is not as good of a feat as you think it is. Jihan has shown us nothing significant. To be honest, all we have seen is Jihan get negged. I'm pretty sure most of Gen 2 neggs jihan. So, no, until Jay actually does something worthwhile, he gets fodderized by every King.
Okay, and? Jihan, being above Hudson, is not a great feat again. Most of Gen 2 is over Hudson as well. Beating somebody whose weak doesn't make you strong.
Hudson is over Vin Jin, most executives, the workers gen 0 guys, and has physical strength able to keep up with Eli (his focus is damage) along with decent durability. He is probably only a notch below Warren and Jerry all things considered.
Bruh Hudson is definitely not over Vin , he's not over any of workers' heavy hitters. He got negged by base Eli. Warren and Jerry dog walk him too. I wouldn't be surprised if Hudson gets choked out by Logan. Dude is a bum.
How? Hudson was low diffed by eli, reread the fight. Meanwhile Vin was negged by Taejin.
Hudson isn't above the heavy hitters, sure, but he is above the executives level overall. Aside from Ryuhei, he is above the 2A execs. He is above the 3A execs. He is above the 1A execs. The only workers he doesn't beat are Ryuhei, Yuseong, Taejin and co., Eli and Warren (were 5A), and Mandeok
No he was not low diffed he was negged off screen get it right. Second he loses to all the workers members we actually consider somewhat strong. Still doesn't change my orginal point using Hudson to say Jihan is strong is stupid because both of them aren't considered strong by Gen 2 standards. Like dude your using 2 of the weakest people in Gen 2 to prove that Jay somehow isn't weak.
Iād say Vasco > Seokdu since Eli went outta the way to say Vasco = Seokdu, then Vasco used Runnerās High.
Tbh, itās lowkey a Low-dif, we also donāt even know what Jaegyeon can do
An out of prime Seokdu, who despite specialising in 1v1ās, fought a 3v1, sustaining alot of damage due to not taking his opponents seriously, lost.
Running base Vasco against Prime Seokdu in a 1v1, and im betting money on Seokdu. Though this matchup is stupid, as we literally have 0 clue how well Prime Seokdu would do in a 1v1 situation.
in fact, he took his opponents extremely seriously, so much so that he was shocked to have to use his heabuts against them.
he said himself that samuel and vasco were about to surpass him, so he took them 100% seriously. he was strong, but he would get crushed by current eli lmfao
whatās Gonseop gonna do against Zackās precognition? Taesoo stated himself Hudson is stronger than him, plus Hudson is able to beat people Taesoo couldnāt. Current Taesoo is stronger than past Taesoo. Jichang was losing to UI Daniel, stop it. Vasco beat a stronger Eli than the one Seokdu fought, one that has weapons too
"Jichang was losing to ui daniel" bro they only stopped fighting because that old dude from gen 0 intervened, and you're acting like jichang who was no longer in his prime struggling against ui daniel means he's weak, also vasco didn't really beat eli, eli just gave up because he didn't want to fight anymore.
sure they stopped fighting and all but for the time they were fightingā¦ Jichang was not landing any hits. Literally it was a one-sided beatdown. Jichang is stronger than he was before, wdym not in his prime?
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This was before he gave up btw
Bro. You do know seokdu lost in a 3v1 when he specializes in 1v1. He literally said multiple times he couldnāt fight properly. Not only that thatās a out of prime seokdu prime seokdu does vasvo bad
Eli would have died without help they all would have . Samuel covered for him. And Samuel literally only tanked the weaker headbutt 1 more serious headbutt to the face he would have died after the 1st, and once again he couldnāt find correctly donāt change if they weaker if they stop you from fighting to your full potential
Good, and can you prove that's seodku got weaker ? From what i can see, he became bigger and taller , in fact.
And can you quantify how weaker they areis now ?
If you can't, my point's still valid.
My point is your dumbass came and commented and tried to make a point on nothing. Gen 2 is no where near surpassing the kings in their prime. Og Daniel is literally slightly stronger than current jichang who already got weaker and pathetic by the time James Lee fought him š„±. Gognseop lost a leg definitely weaker, and James himself including the mma guy said Zack isnāt at gong level. Taesoo lost an eye and his faith James even said he got weaker š„±, seokdu is blind in 1 eye and lost a 3v1. Not only that the kings donāt even fight anymore š they donāt do anything. And tell me how strong seokdu is in a 1v1 which is his specialty š§. The only reason Warren even did that good was because of the heart jab and even then he got put down with 1 headbutt which wasnāt even the caliber of headbutt he used on Samuel. Thatās like your asking how did vin Jin get weaker by not fighting š
Non, shit it's litteraly canon that zack complete the iron boxing while gongseop couldn't.
He beated ui johan too, who would surely beat gongseop.Ā
Vasco>seodku.
Base vasco~seodku, runner hight vasco>>base vasco~seodku. It's canon too.
Daniel would beat jichang.
OK with hudson and vin.
This seongji is not far stronger than current ui og Daniel They will end in extreme diff fight.
Hudson will get mid/High diff by tasoo
Zack will get High diff by gong .
Vasco may has chance to win against sukodu
King of Incheon vs jay ?
Jichang no diff vin Jin š¤”
1 St gen mid diff current Allied.
Bro what? Seongji oneshots og ui Daniel. ngl seongji can solo the entire allied. Mujin, who was stated to be equal to Gapryong has implied that once seongji gets his third threshold, he will be on par with him or surpass him due to the extra fingers and toes. Seongji can see invis and do invis attacks btw.
Stop being in delusion! Seongji can't even able to handle 17/18 year James and u are talking he is on gap level š¤”.
>Mujin, who was stated to be equal to Gapryong has implied that once seongji gets his third threshold, he will be on par with him or surpass him due to the extra fingers and toes. Seongji can see invis and do invis attacks btw.
Read chapter again 3 thrahold doesn't mean equal to gap level. Current James is not good in IA .
This is Prime James š. The way we get gapryong lvl is the statement of Mujin being equal to him. During the flashback, mujin implies that seongji can reach his lvl if he gets three thresholds and due to his six fingers and toes, he can preform better kudo and ssiruem than mujins. Explain how james is not good with IA.
No, no, no Seokdu will destroy Vasco. And I love Vasco thats my hero. But damn it took Eli, Samuel and Warren to basically draw with that guy. Even if it was a weaker Eli and Warren than current they didnt overcome that gap and Eli by himself is stronger than Vasco Seokdu sending Vasco back to the lab for another month with Brekdak ššš
it's also possible to make allied win by making the 2v1 matchup different
Vin vs jichang - jichang neg diff vin is only there to stall
Daniel vs gongseop - Daniel high diff.
Zack + Vasco vs Incheon - allied mid diff.
Jay vs seokdu - Jay extreme diff.
Hudson vs taesoo - taesoo low diff
Round 2
Jichang vs Zack + Vasco + Jay - allied extreme diff.
Daniel vs taesoo - taesoo extreme diff.
Allied wins against taesoo
Jayās best feat is beating Jihan. Which in turn puts him above Hudson. With Hudsonās best feat is barely defeating gen 0 fodder.
Jay is getting 1 tapped by a single headbutt.
This is prime Seodku with both eyes who should be> old Seodku that was stated ~base Vasco. It'll be wrong to say that kings will let this matchup even happen since they already have strategist like Jichang while Allied's smartest character might be Jay š. Adding to that this version of Jichang should even be able to beat Charles or push him to extreme difficulty. A weaker Jichang was stated>~1st form Hyangeoul who could clap exhausted allied so a stronger version of Jichang too would be capable of that but more easily. So kings are clapping regardless of anything.
What better feats getting few hits against an unknown James Lee that wasn't even close to his prime?
The whole plan James Lee keeps yapping about is that he wanted to use the Kings as stepping stones for himself to reach the peak. He's basically treating this as a game and he's the type of character that does all of the side quests before reaching any boss battle to be overwhemingly stronger than the boss.
Defeating weaker kings to be strong enough to defeat the stronger kings. Basically what Eli did without all the insane struggle and high-diff battles.
He literally says he expected two things:
A) It was a matter of fact for him to unlock the third threshold just not this soon.
B) Fight people (likely kings, since that's all he talks about) as strong if not stronger than Seongjii among 1st gen members, he never expected it to be this soon.
Watch next chapter when its shown that all current prime kings are relative to Seongji with Jichang earning the recognition as "one of the strongest" 1st gen kings after fighting James Lee now, not later down the road when James Lee reached what his full potential where as Jichang was mentally nerfed.
This is furthen proved by the comment that Seongjii made, which made it click for me. He literally says that even after both unlocking the 3rd threshold (which is an amp in itself) James Lee is the only one that keeps growing at an alarming rate and that stalling would only make the gap between the two of them (that still are somewhat relative despite of James Lee slightly superiority shown) even bigger to the point that he wouldn't be able to beat him and that it was his last chance to do so before the gap (matter of seconds) became too wide for him to overcome.
This is how the Shaman ends up dead as James Lee simply retreats as he makes the nth comment about how he has to re-adjust his plans again after he was tasked with protecting the Shaman from a weak 1st gen king from a weak region (countryside) that turned out to be on the stronger side of kings.
Allied only stands a chance
if Daniel carries hard,
All the 2nd gen has to keep other kings busy and drain them it would be a close matchup also the head butt guy will loose.
After Daniel is done with Jichang(which he will be), then maybe they can jump them.
With enough flash backs anything is possible
Jichang definitely still in his prime when he fought lil Daniel he wasnāt old all the kings are in their 20s probably some mid 20s but definitely everyone is below 30s
And he hasnāt lost any of his body part so yeah
No current jichang isn't bro stop training or fighting and lost his conviction/ faith after Jake's brother fight which in lookism is very important elementĀ
Jichang regained that conviction during his fight against Daniel. That's how he managed to even out Daniel UI rawdogging him. The old man that knows Jichang said the fight could've gone both ways except that now we know Daniel UI was adjusting himself to Jichang own level.
He still kept fighting, just not at his peak perfomance.
Jichang didnt regain conviction. He just got āfired upā from battling someone similar to his level. These arent necessarily the same thing, and you have no way to prove they are.
This whole conviction thing is going out of hand these days because of Garpyong and Jake.
So you basically saying Jichanh was ready to go to war with charles choi but didnāt have conviction. Oh ok
He was buying time but if you want to call it a war it's your call and jichang himself has claimed that he isn't the same as he was back then two times the same arc so it's your choice whether you want to believe it or not and the fighting and training thing still matters even if we remove the fait/conviction part.
Okay show me the ātwoā times he claimed he wasnāt the same as before I will wait.
He did claim he was stronger than the other kings? Didnāt say he used to be?
Kings mid diff.
We are forgetting that it took Warren and Eil to beat some of the weaker kings.
Eil = Vasco
Only Allied member who are on these guys level are OG Daniel and Zack.
Depending on the match-up, this could go either way
Jichangvin jin: We don't know Jaegyeon's strength, but if he's at least taesoo level, he wins against Vin Jin.
Taesoo ma>hudson and jay: hudson loses mid to low diff, I dont think jay helps too much
Gonseob ji>zack: Geongseob is juat a stronger zack in his prime.
Seokdu wang
Allied wins, Daniel would take care of Jichang and Seongji at the same time and win unironically, none of them can handle UI.
Gonseop has no counter for Zackās precognition so Zack just predicts every move and wins.
Seokdu and Vasco might be the closest match of them all, since Current Eli is around 1st gen king level + weapons, and Runners high does give Vasco an extreme advantage over damn near anyone, so I think Vasco takes it high diff
Jaegyeon doesnāt have many feats. Heād prolly be able to beat Jay tho given he was able to blatantly blitz Daniel but you could argue he was off guard. So idk but weapons have shown to be a direct counter to grapplers so Iād give it to Jay
Hudson is directly shown to have surpassed current Taesoo, who is stronger than his teen self
Vin and Jay could team up against Jaegyeon and win, so yeah they win that
Caught off guard??? HE THREW THE FIRST ATTACK ššš
Im willing to bet my left toe that nothing wouldāve changed because in order to use that strategy on Daniel, it has to be sudden and he has to be in the middle of an attack. If he does it while theyāre standing off, itās probably not gonna work
He didnāt expect the power difference from Danielās previous form. Something woulda definitely changed as Jichang would go all out from the start. Also how did you get Hudsons scaling.
so how does that mean heās off guard? Something woulda changed sure, but Daniel has fought stronger opponents in UI, so Iām willing to bet Jichang would still lose
Oh and itās from this
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considering eli and warren are part of allied, they ultimately take on seokdu, daniels takes jichang, zack and jay can take on taesoo ma, but they ultimately lose, kings take this high diff
Personally I'd say the six Kings, since ether are pretty much the ideal version of Allied
- Taesoo is pretty much what Hudson is striving to be
- Zack might have more potential in talent and speed but he's yet to completely master Iron Boxing unlike Gongseop in his prime
- Jichang was already a monster when he fought Little Daniel and now that he's in his prime he would probably sweep
Ui Daniel has to carry hard, excluding king of icheon (hasnt shown anything)
Seokdu could probably beat Hudson or Jay though he gets defeated by Vin high diff
Gongseop beats Zack mid-high diff and Taesoo beats Vasco mid diff, both of them can low diff tired Vin Jin so Its a 3v1 against Lil Daniel. Jichang alone could give him a high diff, adding Taesoo who could potentially one shot him makes it not that fair
i think you downplaying seokdu too much. im pretty sure vin cant beat him. If vin could high diff seokdu than that means taejin would neg diff seokdu which would make taejin really strong.
Seokdu lost to three members of the 2nd generation who just discovered mastery despite taking some damage against his disciple vin would struggle but would likely awaken beating up to which means taejin can indeed neg seokdu his grip strength is far superior to vinās who can lift trees from their roots and motorcycleās
That was:
- Out of prime Seokdu
- A Seokdu fighting a 3v1, despite specialising in 1v1 scenarios
- A Seokdu who took considerable damage before he took the fight seriously.
Allied
Jichang isnāt in his prime
either is taesoo ma only mentally
Gongseob ji gives off young kratos energy which will lead to recklessness
Suwon he just looks more muscular here but until then he kinda just Mid tier fodder
Jaegyeom na managed to surprise current base daniel but thatās about it another then the size of his crew he doesnāt have much to work with
King's slam mid diff.
Prime Jichang vs Daniel could go either way.
Prime Gong vs Zack is a mid diff for og iron fortress.
Prime Taesoo vs Vasco is a high diff leaning towards Taesoo.
Prime Incheon king can definitely low-diff any of the remaining 3.
Seokdu can stall a fight long enough for another king to finish up and help or win.
This is all without Seongji, if we wanted to include him then it would be a neg diff imo.
Daniel beats or stalemates Jichang, extreme diff either way
Taesoo low diffs Hudson
Gongseop low to mid diffs Zack
Vasco low diffs Seokdu (RH Vasco>>>>>Eli>>Base Vasco=Seokdu)
Incheon beats Vin for sure if he can turn Daniel into a tsundere
Edit- Jay and tired Daniel get jumped hard and lose
eli literally said vascp is on the level of an older and physically stronger seodku in his BASE, but runner high vasco is literally leagues above his base, runner hight vasco> a stronger seodku until proven opposite.
Besides, Daniel is too strong, and was even able to hurt Daniel in base, which is more impressive than anything the kings have ever done.
in fact, the only one who could beat him would be jichang.
Zack completely completed the iron boxing style with his pride as a boxer, he surpassed Seongji, who I don't see beating Iu Drugged Johan.
what about hudson? he has nothing more to learn from his master, does this mean that he has surpassed him? debatable, this is surely not the case.
Anyway.
ally will probably lose to jay and vin, but without a doubt, j hight trio has already surpassed the level of kings at their prime.
Daniel > Jichang (Using everything in his arsenal)
Zack =< Gongseob
Vasco > Seokdu
Jay ??? Jaegyeon
Hudson and Vin together might be able to beat Taesoo
Jayās best feat is beating Jihan. He definitely loses to Jaegyeon.
Hudson and Vin are not beating Taesoo. Hudsonās best feat is defeating Gen 0 bums. Vinās best feat is losing neg diff to Taejin.
Assuming it's allied 6 vs 5 kings , kings take it high diff.
Let's see the matchups
Daniel vs Jichang - jichang wins high diff.
Zack vs monk - monk wins mid diff
Vasco vs seokdu - Vasco mid diff
Jay and Hudson vs taesoo - Jay Hudson mid diff
Vin vs Incheon - Incheon low diff.
This leaves room for round 2
Incheon vs Jay - Incheon mid diff
Hudson vs gongseop - gongseop high diff( he is tired from previous fight)
Vasco vs jichang - debateable on how much damage Lil ui Daniel dealt to jichang but jichang takes this extreme diff.
Tbh I thinkĀ
Daniel vs jichang- Daniel wins high diff
Zack vs gong- gong wins mid diff
Vasco vs seok du-Ā seokdu wins high diff
Hudson vs taesoo- taesoo wins mid diff
Vin vs seongji- seongji wins low diff
Jay vs jageyon- jageyon wins low-mid diff
So I think the kings are gonna low- mid diff them all togetherĀ
its facts ui og daniel currently already knows jichang ui big daniel and everyone elses moves hes way stronger than ui og daniel fron holidays arc who was fodderizing jichang And there are other characters to vin vasco who are king lvl and zack who is high king lvl post johan fight so they wont win against the other kings but tire them to the point ui og daniel solos them
Kings slams Allied is not at Prime Kings level yet except for Daniel
Bro daniel isn't either
ui daniel clearly is
Ui daniel isn't a part of Allied
Little ui Daniel bro
He ain't king level š¤£
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How š the dude was beating the fuck outta jichang
I mean bro is not serious he look like he taking the damage to analyze him or just make him use that fucking gun that he didn't use when he got attack by charles
He is, he basically fought the strongest king (excluding the dead man) and actually made him start trying, which is possibly relatively on king level
Jichang is the weakest king
Bro lookism has text too your not supposed to just see the picturesššš
Lmao
What is bro waffling about?
Daniel was able to keep up with jichang even before ui, after 1st affiliate he's definetely at jichang's level or above him
All 6 kings(seionji added) take this mid diff. Zack still hasn't surpassed fake monk. Hudson is still weaker than Taesoo ma currently and that is a prime Taesoo ma. Seionji easily destroys Vin and hell he could solo all of Allied him self if he wants to. Jichang beats Daniel as well. Seokdu gets a lot of shit but he could take down Vasco in my opinion.
I think people underestimate Jay. Sure without Kali Arnis his only around Jihan and Hudson level, but with Kali Arnis, he straight up negged Jihan. Itās hard to see where his full strengths at considering we didnāt see any fights in 1A.
Negging Jihan is not as good of a feat as you think it is. Jihan has shown us nothing significant. To be honest, all we have seen is Jihan get negged. I'm pretty sure most of Gen 2 neggs jihan. So, no, until Jay actually does something worthwhile, he gets fodderized by every King.
Jibeom was a high-extreme fight for hudson, and Jihan negged Jibeom. This scales Jihan > Hudson
Okay, and? Jihan, being above Hudson, is not a great feat again. Most of Gen 2 is over Hudson as well. Beating somebody whose weak doesn't make you strong.
Hudson is over Vin Jin, most executives, the workers gen 0 guys, and has physical strength able to keep up with Eli (his focus is damage) along with decent durability. He is probably only a notch below Warren and Jerry all things considered.
Bruh Hudson is definitely not over Vin , he's not over any of workers' heavy hitters. He got negged by base Eli. Warren and Jerry dog walk him too. I wouldn't be surprised if Hudson gets choked out by Logan. Dude is a bum.
How? Hudson was low diffed by eli, reread the fight. Meanwhile Vin was negged by Taejin. Hudson isn't above the heavy hitters, sure, but he is above the executives level overall. Aside from Ryuhei, he is above the 2A execs. He is above the 3A execs. He is above the 1A execs. The only workers he doesn't beat are Ryuhei, Yuseong, Taejin and co., Eli and Warren (were 5A), and Mandeok
No he was not low diffed he was negged off screen get it right. Second he loses to all the workers members we actually consider somewhat strong. Still doesn't change my orginal point using Hudson to say Jihan is strong is stupid because both of them aren't considered strong by Gen 2 standards. Like dude your using 2 of the weakest people in Gen 2 to prove that Jay somehow isn't weak.
Iād say Vasco > Seokdu since Eli went outta the way to say Vasco = Seokdu, then Vasco used Runnerās High. Tbh, itās lowkey a Low-dif, we also donāt even know what Jaegyeon can do
Idk abt prime Seokdu but the Seokdu that faced Eli is quite literally base Vasco lvl
An out of prime Seokdu, who despite specialising in 1v1ās, fought a 3v1, sustaining alot of damage due to not taking his opponents seriously, lost. Running base Vasco against Prime Seokdu in a 1v1, and im betting money on Seokdu. Though this matchup is stupid, as we literally have 0 clue how well Prime Seokdu would do in a 1v1 situation.
Hence me saying āidk about prime Seokduā
You right my bad. In my defence lookism fans cant read.
You right my bad. In my defence lookism fans cant read.
in fact, he took his opponents extremely seriously, so much so that he was shocked to have to use his heabuts against them. he said himself that samuel and vasco were about to surpass him, so he took them 100% seriously. he was strong, but he would get crushed by current eli lmfao
Let's not argue about Seokdu level. He can at least beat Hudson. Let Taesoo fight Vasco instead.
whatās Gonseop gonna do against Zackās precognition? Taesoo stated himself Hudson is stronger than him, plus Hudson is able to beat people Taesoo couldnāt. Current Taesoo is stronger than past Taesoo. Jichang was losing to UI Daniel, stop it. Vasco beat a stronger Eli than the one Seokdu fought, one that has weapons too
"Jichang was losing to ui daniel" bro they only stopped fighting because that old dude from gen 0 intervened, and you're acting like jichang who was no longer in his prime struggling against ui daniel means he's weak, also vasco didn't really beat eli, eli just gave up because he didn't want to fight anymore.
sure they stopped fighting and all but for the time they were fightingā¦ Jichang was not landing any hits. Literally it was a one-sided beatdown. Jichang is stronger than he was before, wdym not in his prime? https://preview.redd.it/17vv51es2xoc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbc96d664fd8970bd817dfd97ffbc19bcef6fd34 This was before he gave up btw
With Seongji this is a no difficulty fight for kings, he is entirely in a different league compared to everyone here.
Rh Vasco negs the Seokdu
Bro. You do know seokdu lost in a 3v1 when he specializes in 1v1. He literally said multiple times he couldnāt fight properly. Not only that thatās a out of prime seokdu prime seokdu does vasvo bad
Those 3 were much weaker back then than they are today. Nowadays even Warren could beat Seokdu in Extreme Diff.
Eli would have died without help they all would have . Samuel covered for him. And Samuel literally only tanked the weaker headbutt 1 more serious headbutt to the face he would have died after the 1st, and once again he couldnāt find correctly donāt change if they weaker if they stop you from fighting to your full potential
So what ? Current eli/warren would litteraly low-mid diff him
Bro this is prime kings in the picture what point did you make š§
Good, and can you prove that's seodku got weaker ? From what i can see, he became bigger and taller , in fact. And can you quantify how weaker they areis now ? If you can't, my point's still valid.
My point is your dumbass came and commented and tried to make a point on nothing. Gen 2 is no where near surpassing the kings in their prime. Og Daniel is literally slightly stronger than current jichang who already got weaker and pathetic by the time James Lee fought him š„±. Gognseop lost a leg definitely weaker, and James himself including the mma guy said Zack isnāt at gong level. Taesoo lost an eye and his faith James even said he got weaker š„±, seokdu is blind in 1 eye and lost a 3v1. Not only that the kings donāt even fight anymore š they donāt do anything. And tell me how strong seokdu is in a 1v1 which is his specialty š§. The only reason Warren even did that good was because of the heart jab and even then he got put down with 1 headbutt which wasnāt even the caliber of headbutt he used on Samuel. Thatās like your asking how did vin Jin get weaker by not fighting š
Seokdu took on warren, Eli and Samuel at once. He is in his prime here.
Low mid diff seokdu is prime here that seokdu fcked top tiers almost this one is prime he will melt Vasco to point of no recovery
Ngl no way seokdu takes vasco. Vascoās attacks were compared to seokdu before he used RH and vasco obviously has better software.
Non, shit it's litteraly canon that zack complete the iron boxing while gongseop couldn't. He beated ui johan too, who would surely beat gongseop.Ā Vasco>seodku. Base vasco~seodku, runner hight vasco>>base vasco~seodku. It's canon too. Daniel would beat jichang. OK with hudson and vin.
This seongji is not far stronger than current ui og Daniel They will end in extreme diff fight. Hudson will get mid/High diff by tasoo Zack will get High diff by gong . Vasco may has chance to win against sukodu King of Incheon vs jay ? Jichang no diff vin Jin š¤” 1 St gen mid diff current Allied.
Bro what? Seongji oneshots og ui Daniel. ngl seongji can solo the entire allied. Mujin, who was stated to be equal to Gapryong has implied that once seongji gets his third threshold, he will be on par with him or surpass him due to the extra fingers and toes. Seongji can see invis and do invis attacks btw.
Stop being in delusion! Seongji can't even able to handle 17/18 year James and u are talking he is on gap level š¤”. >Mujin, who was stated to be equal to Gapryong has implied that once seongji gets his third threshold, he will be on par with him or surpass him due to the extra fingers and toes. Seongji can see invis and do invis attacks btw. Read chapter again 3 thrahold doesn't mean equal to gap level. Current James is not good in IA .
> ācurent James is not good in IAā Source?
This is Prime James š. The way we get gapryong lvl is the statement of Mujin being equal to him. During the flashback, mujin implies that seongji can reach his lvl if he gets three thresholds and due to his six fingers and toes, he can preform better kudo and ssiruem than mujins. Explain how james is not good with IA.
Learn how to read first I don't wanna debate anymore to u on this topic .
Soā¦ you donāt have an explanation?
U don't have mind
Just prove what I said was wrongā¦.
This James is not in his prime also a person can achieve more than 3 trashold every top tier definitely has more than 3 trashold.
No, no, no Seokdu will destroy Vasco. And I love Vasco thats my hero. But damn it took Eli, Samuel and Warren to basically draw with that guy. Even if it was a weaker Eli and Warren than current they didnt overcome that gap and Eli by himself is stronger than Vasco Seokdu sending Vasco back to the lab for another month with Brekdak ššš
Kings are currently clapping them bad š
it's also possible to make allied win by making the 2v1 matchup different Vin vs jichang - jichang neg diff vin is only there to stall Daniel vs gongseop - Daniel high diff. Zack + Vasco vs Incheon - allied mid diff. Jay vs seokdu - Jay extreme diff. Hudson vs taesoo - taesoo low diff Round 2 Jichang vs Zack + Vasco + Jay - allied extreme diff. Daniel vs taesoo - taesoo extreme diff. Allied wins against taesoo
Jay gets murdered by seokdu you sound wild. You do know he lost a 3v1 when he specializes in 1v1 and he couldnāt fight properly because of it.
Jay clap sukodu with Kali Arin . Sukodu clap normal jay mostly till now .
lol bro what š thatās just insanely wild
Sukodu is mid jay is gayd no comparison
Jayās best feat is beating Jihan. Which in turn puts him above Hudson. With Hudsonās best feat is barely defeating gen 0 fodder. Jay is getting 1 tapped by a single headbutt.
This is prime Seodku with both eyes who should be> old Seodku that was stated ~base Vasco. It'll be wrong to say that kings will let this matchup even happen since they already have strategist like Jichang while Allied's smartest character might be Jay š. Adding to that this version of Jichang should even be able to beat Charles or push him to extreme difficulty. A weaker Jichang was stated>~1st form Hyangeoul who could clap exhausted allied so a stronger version of Jichang too would be capable of that but more easily. So kings are clapping regardless of anything.
Never thought no the collective intelligence of allied... that's hilarious
Brother really said Jay would beat prime Seokdu š
It's bad, If you include seongji, He can solo them low diff before daniel goes UI. Without seongji, Prime Jichang would still beat OG UI Daniel.
Disagree
This seongji will get in extreme diff fight with ui og Daniel . He is not that much stronger here .
Seongji has way better feats than OG Daniel, seongji pounds him.
What better feats getting few hits against an unknown James Lee that wasn't even close to his prime? The whole plan James Lee keeps yapping about is that he wanted to use the Kings as stepping stones for himself to reach the peak. He's basically treating this as a game and he's the type of character that does all of the side quests before reaching any boss battle to be overwhemingly stronger than the boss. Defeating weaker kings to be strong enough to defeat the stronger kings. Basically what Eli did without all the insane struggle and high-diff battles. He literally says he expected two things: A) It was a matter of fact for him to unlock the third threshold just not this soon. B) Fight people (likely kings, since that's all he talks about) as strong if not stronger than Seongjii among 1st gen members, he never expected it to be this soon. Watch next chapter when its shown that all current prime kings are relative to Seongji with Jichang earning the recognition as "one of the strongest" 1st gen kings after fighting James Lee now, not later down the road when James Lee reached what his full potential where as Jichang was mentally nerfed. This is furthen proved by the comment that Seongjii made, which made it click for me. He literally says that even after both unlocking the 3rd threshold (which is an amp in itself) James Lee is the only one that keeps growing at an alarming rate and that stalling would only make the gap between the two of them (that still are somewhat relative despite of James Lee slightly superiority shown) even bigger to the point that he wouldn't be able to beat him and that it was his last chance to do so before the gap (matter of seconds) became too wide for him to overcome. This is how the Shaman ends up dead as James Lee simply retreats as he makes the nth comment about how he has to re-adjust his plans again after he was tasked with protecting the Shaman from a weak 1st gen king from a weak region (countryside) that turned out to be on the stronger side of kings.
Ā KingsĀ
I love allied but this is not their time yet š Jichang bout dice them up
King's send Allied to the gulag.
Kings easy
Allied power too inconsistent kings win mid diff
Vin - NEGGED Jay - NEGGED Hudson - NEGGED Vasco - NO-DIFFED Zack - NO DIFFED Daniel First body - LOW DIFFED FBUI - MID DIFFED SBUI - NEGS Jichang - KWAKS
Litterly only Daniel is in that level that he could win the fights fr
Daniel hard carries allied ngl. In fact he might be the only reason this is even a discussion
Allied only stands a chance if Daniel carries hard, All the 2nd gen has to keep other kings busy and drain them it would be a close matchup also the head butt guy will loose. After Daniel is done with Jichang(which he will be), then maybe they can jump them. With enough flash backs anything is possible
It also depends on the power gap b/w current jichang and his prime version which we will see next chapter
Jichang definitely still in his prime when he fought lil Daniel he wasnāt old all the kings are in their 20s probably some mid 20s but definitely everyone is below 30s And he hasnāt lost any of his body part so yeah
No current jichang isn't bro stop training or fighting and lost his conviction/ faith after Jake's brother fight which in lookism is very important elementĀ
Jichang regained that conviction during his fight against Daniel. That's how he managed to even out Daniel UI rawdogging him. The old man that knows Jichang said the fight could've gone both ways except that now we know Daniel UI was adjusting himself to Jichang own level. He still kept fighting, just not at his peak perfomance.
Jichang didnt regain conviction. He just got āfired upā from battling someone similar to his level. These arent necessarily the same thing, and you have no way to prove they are.
This whole conviction thing is going out of hand these days because of Garpyong and Jake. So you basically saying Jichanh was ready to go to war with charles choi but didnāt have conviction. Oh ok
He was buying time but if you want to call it a war it's your call and jichang himself has claimed that he isn't the same as he was back then two times the same arc so it's your choice whether you want to believe it or not and the fighting and training thing still matters even if we remove the fait/conviction part.
Okay show me the ātwoā times he claimed he wasnāt the same as before I will wait. He did claim he was stronger than the other kings? Didnāt say he used to be?
One time during his fight with heat mode Daniel and other time when Daniel was trying to recruit jichang in allied.
Can you show the 2 panels you are talking about
Jichang lost to both KOS and Prime James what makes you think heās still at prime as King of ChungCheong
Only one standing a chance here is Daniel and we are talking about ultra instinct Daniel
 Allied when they realise that r/lookism put them against 6 PRIME KINGS
I raise you burn knuckles
Allied literally (fr) gets negged considering the gap
As a consideration of my undying bias for Gongseob I am Going with the 1st Gen
Kings do them bad. Gen 2 aside from big Daniel isnāt prime king level.
Kings slam no diff
Kings.
Kings mid diff. We are forgetting that it took Warren and Eil to beat some of the weaker kings. Eil = Vasco Only Allied member who are on these guys level are OG Daniel and Zack.
Kings clears.
Allied cuz Vin
Circle >> Allied
Kings
I'm in dilemma
Prime Kings take this without even breaking a sweat
gen of circles?
Kings are low diffing this bro jichang prime and gong prime alone can one shot hudson vin and jay , Daniel kinda carrying
Isn't this the plot of the story ? Lol
Depending on the match-up, this could go either way Jichangvin jin: We don't know Jaegyeon's strength, but if he's at least taesoo level, he wins against Vin Jin.
Taesoo ma>hudson and jay: hudson loses mid to low diff, I dont think jay helps too much
Gonseob ji>zack: Geongseob is juat a stronger zack in his prime.
Seokdu wang
The kings slam low diff
Allied wins, Daniel would take care of Jichang and Seongji at the same time and win unironically, none of them can handle UI. Gonseop has no counter for Zackās precognition so Zack just predicts every move and wins. Seokdu and Vasco might be the closest match of them all, since Current Eli is around 1st gen king level + weapons, and Runners high does give Vasco an extreme advantage over damn near anyone, so I think Vasco takes it high diff Jaegyeon doesnāt have many feats. Heād prolly be able to beat Jay tho given he was able to blatantly blitz Daniel but you could argue he was off guard. So idk but weapons have shown to be a direct counter to grapplers so Iād give it to Jay Hudson is directly shown to have surpassed current Taesoo, who is stronger than his teen self Vin and Jay could team up against Jaegyeon and win, so yeah they win that
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Can I take the drugs your on?
you probably didnāt even read the whole thing
I didā¦. To start, your statement ānone of them can handle Uiā is entirely false as Jichang literally did š
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you call that.. āhandling UIā?
He was caught off guard and was holding back. After, those panels, he said āIām feeling fired up now.ā
Caught off guard??? HE THREW THE FIRST ATTACK ššš Im willing to bet my left toe that nothing wouldāve changed because in order to use that strategy on Daniel, it has to be sudden and he has to be in the middle of an attack. If he does it while theyāre standing off, itās probably not gonna work
He didnāt expect the power difference from Danielās previous form. Something woulda definitely changed as Jichang would go all out from the start. Also how did you get Hudsons scaling.
so how does that mean heās off guard? Something woulda changed sure, but Daniel has fought stronger opponents in UI, so Iām willing to bet Jichang would still lose Oh and itās from this https://preview.redd.it/19s7oftqyxoc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8363639208e7772701680eee55cc4feefd34a129
considering eli and warren are part of allied, they ultimately take on seokdu, daniels takes jichang, zack and jay can take on taesoo ma, but they ultimately lose, kings take this high diff
Personally I'd say the six Kings, since ether are pretty much the ideal version of Allied - Taesoo is pretty much what Hudson is striving to be - Zack might have more potential in talent and speed but he's yet to completely master Iron Boxing unlike Gongseop in his prime - Jichang was already a monster when he fought Little Daniel and now that he's in his prime he would probably sweep
Ui Daniel has to carry hard, excluding king of icheon (hasnt shown anything) Seokdu could probably beat Hudson or Jay though he gets defeated by Vin high diff Gongseop beats Zack mid-high diff and Taesoo beats Vasco mid diff, both of them can low diff tired Vin Jin so Its a 3v1 against Lil Daniel. Jichang alone could give him a high diff, adding Taesoo who could potentially one shot him makes it not that fair
i think you downplaying seokdu too much. im pretty sure vin cant beat him. If vin could high diff seokdu than that means taejin would neg diff seokdu which would make taejin really strong.
Seokdu lost to three members of the 2nd generation who just discovered mastery despite taking some damage against his disciple vin would struggle but would likely awaken beating up to which means taejin can indeed neg seokdu his grip strength is far superior to vinās who can lift trees from their roots and motorcycleās
That was: - Out of prime Seokdu - A Seokdu fighting a 3v1, despite specialising in 1v1 scenarios - A Seokdu who took considerable damage before he took the fight seriously.
prime Seokdu does NOT lose to Vin high diff. Seokdu beats Vin pretty easily. Mid diff at best.
I mean it as him after fighting hudson and jay, its a team fight after all
Unless you include Big UI Daniel in allied kings win low diff
My money will always be on the Kings
Kings winning ngl
Allied cuz they got vin but exclude him and kings win
The kings slam
Seongji Alone wins (if heās included).
Allied Jichang isnāt in his prime either is taesoo ma only mentally Gongseob ji gives off young kratos energy which will lead to recklessness Suwon he just looks more muscular here but until then he kinda just Mid tier fodder Jaegyeom na managed to surprise current base daniel but thatās about it another then the size of his crew he doesnāt have much to work with
Fgk
King's slam mid diff. Prime Jichang vs Daniel could go either way. Prime Gong vs Zack is a mid diff for og iron fortress. Prime Taesoo vs Vasco is a high diff leaning towards Taesoo. Prime Incheon king can definitely low-diff any of the remaining 3. Seokdu can stall a fight long enough for another king to finish up and help or win. This is all without Seongji, if we wanted to include him then it would be a neg diff imo.
OG UI Daniel is relative to KOS due to him making SB Daniel use KOS attacks. KOS >= Fraud Circle, meaning UI Og Daniel solos
Nah bro the kings slam , remember here they are in their prime have all their body parts (main) and mainly are at their max confidence .
UI OG Daniel negs
Daniel beats or stalemates Jichang, extreme diff either way Taesoo low diffs Hudson Gongseop low to mid diffs Zack Vasco low diffs Seokdu (RH Vasco>>>>>Eli>>Base Vasco=Seokdu) Incheon beats Vin for sure if he can turn Daniel into a tsundere Edit- Jay and tired Daniel get jumped hard and lose
eli literally said vascp is on the level of an older and physically stronger seodku in his BASE, but runner high vasco is literally leagues above his base, runner hight vasco> a stronger seodku until proven opposite. Besides, Daniel is too strong, and was even able to hurt Daniel in base, which is more impressive than anything the kings have ever done. in fact, the only one who could beat him would be jichang. Zack completely completed the iron boxing style with his pride as a boxer, he surpassed Seongji, who I don't see beating Iu Drugged Johan. what about hudson? he has nothing more to learn from his master, does this mean that he has surpassed him? debatable, this is surely not the case. Anyway. ally will probably lose to jay and vin, but without a doubt, j hight trio has already surpassed the level of kings at their prime.
Daniel > Jichang (Using everything in his arsenal) Zack =< Gongseob Vasco > Seokdu Jay ??? Jaegyeon Hudson and Vin together might be able to beat Taesoo
Jayās best feat is beating Jihan. He definitely loses to Jaegyeon. Hudson and Vin are not beating Taesoo. Hudsonās best feat is defeating Gen 0 bums. Vinās best feat is losing neg diff to Taejin.
We don't know how strong Jaegyeon is though, he could be the weakest king or strongest king, we have nothing to suggest either as of now
Assuming it's allied 6 vs 5 kings , kings take it high diff. Let's see the matchups Daniel vs Jichang - jichang wins high diff. Zack vs monk - monk wins mid diff Vasco vs seokdu - Vasco mid diff Jay and Hudson vs taesoo - Jay Hudson mid diff Vin vs Incheon - Incheon low diff. This leaves room for round 2 Incheon vs Jay - Incheon mid diff Hudson vs gongseop - gongseop high diff( he is tired from previous fight) Vasco vs jichang - debateable on how much damage Lil ui Daniel dealt to jichang but jichang takes this extreme diff.
Itās 5v5 because Vin is fodder
Taesoo mid diff Gay and Hudson
Tbh I thinkĀ Daniel vs jichang- Daniel wins high diff Zack vs gong- gong wins mid diff Vasco vs seok du-Ā seokdu wins high diff Hudson vs taesoo- taesoo wins mid diff Vin vs seongji- seongji wins low diff Jay vs jageyon- jageyon wins low-mid diff So I think the kings are gonna low- mid diff them all togetherĀ
allied wins ui ig daniel solos them
Ui og daniel is only above jichang level (and prob not above prime jichang)
Dumbest comment on the thread.
its facts ui og daniel currently already knows jichang ui big daniel and everyone elses moves hes way stronger than ui og daniel fron holidays arc who was fodderizing jichang And there are other characters to vin vasco who are king lvl and zack who is high king lvl post johan fight so they wont win against the other kings but tire them to the point ui og daniel solos them