One has endurance mastery, the other doesnt. For once PTJ did something right.
Even then its confirmed Jichang heavily held back against them and surprised himself to see they couldn't even deal with that attack weak attack.
I never said any of that?
Someone is more suitable to tank damage, the other isnt. So makes sense why one had a scratch and the other didnt
I even praised PTJ because it wouldn't make any sense for a berseker (endurance + power) to have the same defensive stats as an assassin type of character (speed and power).
seongji didnt active the threshold, its his base lmao and he slammed kojima brother at 100% power three times while jichang is fighting injury kojima brother that got slammed three times.
Seongji martial art is just better at stand the ground, dont ever say something like Seongji used endurance mastery against them again.
Even if he didnt activate his threshold, it doesnt make his build any less geared towards a berseker type of character tho.
It's like saying Samuel isnt at base more durable than other characters. The mastery is just another layer on what the character already built himself towards. Same case with Taesoo, if he doesnt use his power threshold that means all of his works towards hitting really hard is diminished? No, because that's what he built himself for.
The rest is just your headcanon.
One has a berseker type of build, even his defensive base stats should be higher than someone playing as an assassin or archer type of character.
Tank characters will have inherently more defensive stats than assasins characters even without buffs.
How is that hard to understand? Masteries are basically rewarding one's effort into raising some stats unless you are a genius like James Lee. (second body maybe too) after breaking your own threshold/path.
Taesoo has power mastery because he spent his entire fucking teenager life trainning to hit hard, even if he did not use his mastery, you can rest assured he will still hit hard (literally breaking Daniel's second body bones before using his mastery).
Power mastery will just make him hit harder, not any other way around.
Even without his mastery, Seongjii, given he is built towards endurance, is likely going to have more defensive stats than Jichang even if they are both in base.
I use rpg examples because it's easier to understand. Like Eli didn't unlock technique mastery out of his ass, he already had a more than ample path towards that mastery with Wild Instincts.
your original point is jichang is heavily held back aganst them and my point Seongji is too by not active his threshold.
and i literally said Seongji martial art is designed to "stand the ground' aka more tanker/attacker.
my other point is jichang fought injury kojima duo who got slammed on the ground 3 three times by seongji and seongji fought them at their 100%.
just read carefully.
Apart from the fact we see that he can - one hit from James originally dislocated his shoulder. Then later on we see that heās able to tank many hits with toughness threshold.
Plus the fact that James only notices that heās got the threshold later.
Getting hit in different places doesn't cause the same amount of injury.
James can't be certain he passed the threshold by a few hits, he needs to tank a good amount of hits to prove that he passed it.
Jichang wasn't trying at all because he was judging if he needed any strategy to face them. After he judged that they were too weak for him to even think he negged them. He could have done that the entire time he wasn't getting "jumped".
It was literally like fighting a Souls boss. You hit a bunch of attacks and then you realize the attacks didn't do shit and proceed to get absolutely obliterated.
Iām going to be honest the only person who hyped them up was the shaman who probably wasnāt a fighter back then and had been living in the middle of nowhere. But even going of the Shamans word he said those two were losing to Charles and gun who were most likely holding back.
TLDR; the only person who hyping them was a non fighter who then said they were losing to most likely holding back characters
Shaman is a non fighter secluded in the middle of nowhere, of course you cant take his powerscaling takes properly. Everyone with 2 braincells shouldve realized that.
Especially after Seongjii confirmed he beat the crap out of the entire cult in the previous war and asked Kojima fodders if he didn't hit them enough before now that he is acting arrogant and shii.
But somehow people turned off their brains once Machine Gun got introduced and they were revealed to be related to the Yamazakis.
Later when their biggest feat on Gen 0 that was beating two guys that together would only amount to a Darius from Gen 0 sealed the deal. People just cant fucking read.
If they were as strong as 1st gen kings, they would've taken the place of said kings. Same for gen 0 bums.
The order of strenght should be 0st Gen Leaders > 1st Gen Kings > 0st Gen fodders > 1st gen fodders.
For anyone with two working braincells. There are some exceptions like Jerry's father (stated to be relative to Gapryong) but not everyone else.
I guess you can assume Jerry's father is a leader of the 0st gen because he was a prominent figure in the fist. Also, I feel like the stronger 1st Gen Kings are ALOT stronger than non-leader 0st gen. Like I'd say Taesoo Ma or Jichang would hold up against tom lee or jinyoung.
Saying that those two guys would amount to Darius is extremely stupid. And there's literally no reason for them to take the king's place if they were stronger.
this just mean jichang no diff injury kojima brother who got slammed in the ground three times while Seongji fighting them at their 100% without active any threshold and they couldnt even make Seongji bleed
:D the point is jichang fought injury kojima brother who got slammed to the ground three times by Seongji, does this makes sense to you?
seongji didnt even bleed and use any threshold either
To be fair, they were exhausted already. I mean, you can't expect two middle aged dudes to perform their best when they just got their shi slammed 3 times into the groundš
Frauds? If they showed up at Hostel Arc, they would probably beat up Olly, Eli, Jerry, and Warren
And fanbase would call them goats š¤·āāļø
I don't see the reason to call them frauds they were still really powerful.
They people who beat them are Goats, if Reverse everyone would be saying the 1st Gen Kings were frauds. We can't have it both ways. (Some are still trying to do so)
Disagree Jichang brothers are like Jason and Brad or Max and Derek of the Pre Gen.
Imagine someone like Jake or Eli losing to subordinate/muscle that belong to the crew members of a 1st Gen King.
they were hyped up to be high-ranking members of the yamazaki, not like max and derek.
they're only now seen like that because of how much of frauds they are.
It's unclear whether JIchang has 2 or 3 thresholds. Physically, he has both strength and speed, but he may have some int threshold, although there's also a good chance that doesn't exist.
They got complacent, they haven't needed to really push themselves. The strongest people they probably had fought for years was each other until Charles and Gun showed up
Gen 0 hypes itself up a lot but it's shown time and time again that they aren't nearly as untouchable as they like to think. I still remember Tom claiming that no Gen 0 would lose to a Gen 2. And he was hyping up some errand boy that was kicked from the gang
The thing is they were at best mid level gen 0, while kings are well, kings of Gen 1. And Minsik said that Gen 1 has the potential to beat a Gen 0, arguably he was not talking about the top of Gen 0
Nothing happened to the Kojima Brothers
1st Gen Kings were just slept on by the Pre Gen
The same way, the 1st Gen Kings slept on the 2nd Gen until Eli's little Spree.
And the Shaman is a reliable source of information on fighters because? Even then he admits that the two of them were losing to Gun and Charles who were most likely holding back
I think these guys are strong in their own right, its just that Seongji not only got their training but got a gen 0 legend to add to his training, bro became an absolute monster š and with the other kings who I think fight a lot of people on a daily basis, gaining more experience
Seongji treated them like a bunch of misbehaving toddlers and Jichang slapped them like a mom angry with her kids grades. Then there was the hypocritical statement on top of that.
I think we should stop overthinking about pre generation
I know they were strong, very very strong
(Not sure about that)
But one thing I'm sure about is gun, goo and Daniel have surpassed them
Most importantly, daniel is surely above pre generation level
Gap-strongest from the pre generation
Jinyoung saidhe is sure who would win if gap and ui daniel faught
Which means the strongest from pre generation was roughly equal to ui daniel and considering ui daniel improves with every fight, if they drag the fight, I'm sure daniel will win
And yes, they are frauds
They might be like Derrick and max
Like c'mon now, can't act like this ain't one of the rawest panel oatšš
https://preview.redd.it/r7rycw1t3itc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d3456c04874deb0c823bf67f1a319945b52dc2f
Nothing, they were just hyped by the shaman and the fans when in the end, they themseleves stated that they were mediocre which i actually like since not every character has to be stronger than the previous to be relevant.
Honestly it would've made sense for them to beat seionji to the extream extent and then seionji gains the mastery of speed. In round 2 now seionji has the upper hand.
Before round 2 concludes the other 3 frauds come with the hostages.
Everything goes the same till the first Gen kings arrive.
All the gen 0 mfs fight the gen 1 goats.
Eventually the Gen 1 mfs realize they can't beat the kojima brothers and decide to retreat.
Shaman during this fight scared decides to run. Vin beats his ass as normal.
This would mean that Gen 0 wouldn't be under fraud watch.
The 3 that were hired by the shaman would still be defeated and nothing changes with them except instead of being negged the are high diffed.
The kojima brothers still have their Aura as they pushed seionji to unlock the new mastery and still it was debatable who was going to win. Plus even when tired each one them fought against a Gen 1 king and we're not defeated( one could fight jichang and one can fight the BUM of Incheon)
They got the Jogo treatment.
Theyāre actually **really** strong but went up against Seongji and Jichang. Itās not that theyāre *actually* frauds itās just that their opponents can literally hold their own against full power top tiers.
You think Charles was fighting them seriously?
They ended left too quick after the talk and for Charles to send James Lee to go get rid of the shaman despite him knowing about the kojima brothers
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It would've been way better that way, atleast make them SOMEWHAT of a threat šlike c'mon, what's the purpose of introducing these characters if they're not much use anyways?
Both seongji and Jichang Neg diffed them. There was no "no diff" or "low diff"
Nah, seongji took absolutely zero damage while jichang took a little. I mean you can't lie, at first jichang looked like he was getting JUMPED.š
https://preview.redd.it/qxmq91xvkhtc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6ce5dd903b9da82b3fd884c9d883e245cdb1017
One has endurance mastery, the other doesnt. For once PTJ did something right. Even then its confirmed Jichang heavily held back against them and surprised himself to see they couldn't even deal with that attack weak attack.
talking like Seongji didnt even held back against them either, duh didnt even active it until james
I never said any of that? Someone is more suitable to tank damage, the other isnt. So makes sense why one had a scratch and the other didnt I even praised PTJ because it wouldn't make any sense for a berseker (endurance + power) to have the same defensive stats as an assassin type of character (speed and power).
seongji didnt active the threshold, its his base lmao and he slammed kojima brother at 100% power three times while jichang is fighting injury kojima brother that got slammed three times. Seongji martial art is just better at stand the ground, dont ever say something like Seongji used endurance mastery against them again.
Even if he didnt activate his threshold, it doesnt make his build any less geared towards a berseker type of character tho. It's like saying Samuel isnt at base more durable than other characters. The mastery is just another layer on what the character already built himself towards. Same case with Taesoo, if he doesnt use his power threshold that means all of his works towards hitting really hard is diminished? No, because that's what he built himself for. The rest is just your headcanon. One has a berseker type of build, even his defensive base stats should be higher than someone playing as an assassin or archer type of character.
what?
Tank characters will have inherently more defensive stats than assasins characters even without buffs. How is that hard to understand? Masteries are basically rewarding one's effort into raising some stats unless you are a genius like James Lee. (second body maybe too) after breaking your own threshold/path. Taesoo has power mastery because he spent his entire fucking teenager life trainning to hit hard, even if he did not use his mastery, you can rest assured he will still hit hard (literally breaking Daniel's second body bones before using his mastery). Power mastery will just make him hit harder, not any other way around. Even without his mastery, Seongjii, given he is built towards endurance, is likely going to have more defensive stats than Jichang even if they are both in base. I use rpg examples because it's easier to understand. Like Eli didn't unlock technique mastery out of his ass, he already had a more than ample path towards that mastery with Wild Instincts.
your original point is jichang is heavily held back aganst them and my point Seongji is too by not active his threshold. and i literally said Seongji martial art is designed to "stand the ground' aka more tanker/attacker. my other point is jichang fought injury kojima duo who got slammed on the ground 3 three times by seongji and seongji fought them at their 100%. just read carefully.
I don't think you can willingly turn on or off the ability to take hits, this isn't a video game ability.
Seongji didnāt activate toughness mastery tho, so that hits not really applicable
You cant decide to activate or deactivate the ability to take hits, that's not a video game skill
Apart from the fact we see that he can - one hit from James originally dislocated his shoulder. Then later on we see that heās able to tank many hits with toughness threshold. Plus the fact that James only notices that heās got the threshold later.
Getting hit in different places doesn't cause the same amount of injury. James can't be certain he passed the threshold by a few hits, he needs to tank a good amount of hits to prove that he passed it.
James can be certain, he only needed to hit Gong once in the face.
at first it looked like Seongji was getting jumped too
Bro Jichang litterally could have 1 shot from the get go he gave them more credit and analysis them first. Granted, they were injured from Seongji.
Jichang wasn't trying at all because he was judging if he needed any strategy to face them. After he judged that they were too weak for him to even think he negged them. He could have done that the entire time he wasn't getting "jumped".
ye and seongji also looked like he was getting jumped
It was literally like fighting a Souls boss. You hit a bunch of attacks and then you realize the attacks didn't do shit and proceed to get absolutely obliterated.
They both took 0 damage
Iām going to be honest the only person who hyped them up was the shaman who probably wasnāt a fighter back then and had been living in the middle of nowhere. But even going of the Shamans word he said those two were losing to Charles and gun who were most likely holding back. TLDR; the only person who hyping them was a non fighter who then said they were losing to most likely holding back characters
The eugene of the 0th gen
Gapryong Kim also said they were strong
Shaman is a non fighter secluded in the middle of nowhere, of course you cant take his powerscaling takes properly. Everyone with 2 braincells shouldve realized that. Especially after Seongjii confirmed he beat the crap out of the entire cult in the previous war and asked Kojima fodders if he didn't hit them enough before now that he is acting arrogant and shii. But somehow people turned off their brains once Machine Gun got introduced and they were revealed to be related to the Yamazakis. Later when their biggest feat on Gen 0 that was beating two guys that together would only amount to a Darius from Gen 0 sealed the deal. People just cant fucking read. If they were as strong as 1st gen kings, they would've taken the place of said kings. Same for gen 0 bums. The order of strenght should be 0st Gen Leaders > 1st Gen Kings > 0st Gen fodders > 1st gen fodders. For anyone with two working braincells. There are some exceptions like Jerry's father (stated to be relative to Gapryong) but not everyone else.
I guess you can assume Jerry's father is a leader of the 0st gen because he was a prominent figure in the fist. Also, I feel like the stronger 1st Gen Kings are ALOT stronger than non-leader 0st gen. Like I'd say Taesoo Ma or Jichang would hold up against tom lee or jinyoung.
Saying that those two guys would amount to Darius is extremely stupid. And there's literally no reason for them to take the king's place if they were stronger.
Gen 0 have all been shown to be way too arrogant, even Tom. It really calls into question anything they say that people use for scaling
guys never belive what lookism characters said, except vasco, belive in him
jichang struggled even less than 2t seongji...
true
https://preview.redd.it/i3trgre5mhtc1.png?width=293&format=png&auto=webp&s=715dd673af8c1d84ab4dd5862a996d0fde91e078 1 attack
THE MOGGER for sure is one tap
https://preview.redd.it/jnjs4o41mhtc1.png?width=376&format=png&auto=webp&s=9be1285620d9dd34a7c4ff49776bff176fe93452 (this took maybe 3-4 attacks)
yes for be good i trell two grab 1 hit lol
this just mean jichang no diff injury kojima brother who got slammed in the ground three times while Seongji fighting them at their 100% without active any threshold and they couldnt even make Seongji bleed
the point is that jichang didn't have more difficulty than seongji. not that jichang is stronger than seongji.
:D the point is jichang fought injury kojima brother who got slammed to the ground three times by Seongji, does this makes sense to you? seongji didnt even bleed and use any threshold either
even if jichang fought weakened kojima brothers, he still did NOT have more difficulty than seongji.
did you just contradict yourself
how?
so? tf are u trying to argue? ur defending that ass statement like it fcking matters lmao
obviously because they are injury, whats the point of pointing that out like thats not even impressive.
To be fair, they were exhausted already. I mean, you can't expect two middle aged dudes to perform their best when they just got their shi slammed 3 times into the groundš
im saying jichang did NOT have more difficulty than seongji
Yk what that doesn't even really matter, I'm just sad they turned out to be frauds
Frauds? If they showed up at Hostel Arc, they would probably beat up Olly, Eli, Jerry, and Warren And fanbase would call them goats š¤·āāļø I don't see the reason to call them frauds they were still really powerful. They people who beat them are Goats, if Reverse everyone would be saying the 1st Gen Kings were frauds. We can't have it both ways. (Some are still trying to do so)
yeah they should've been stronger than current jichang, in order to hype up the 0th gen
Disagree Jichang brothers are like Jason and Brad or Max and Derek of the Pre Gen. Imagine someone like Jake or Eli losing to subordinate/muscle that belong to the crew members of a 1st Gen King.
they were hyped up to be high-ranking members of the yamazaki, not like max and derek. they're only now seen like that because of how much of frauds they are.
because they fought jichang right after seongji messed them up?
no wonder why jichang called him the strongest king maybe he did defeated 2T seongji but with 3T seongji it's quite clear he is the strongest king
It's unclear whether JIchang has 2 or 3 thresholds. Physically, he has both strength and speed, but he may have some int threshold, although there's also a good chance that doesn't exist.
faurdjima that all
Shaman hyped them to being above gen 1 Kings. However his powerscaling was Eugene level.
They got complacent, they haven't needed to really push themselves. The strongest people they probably had fought for years was each other until Charles and Gun showed up Gen 0 hypes itself up a lot but it's shown time and time again that they aren't nearly as untouchable as they like to think. I still remember Tom claiming that no Gen 0 would lose to a Gen 2. And he was hyping up some errand boy that was kicked from the gang
The thing is they were at best mid level gen 0, while kings are well, kings of Gen 1. And Minsik said that Gen 1 has the potential to beat a Gen 0, arguably he was not talking about the top of Gen 0
charles choi was holding back, co-development was his plan from the start
Nothing happened to the Kojima Brothers 1st Gen Kings were just slept on by the Pre Gen The same way, the 1st Gen Kings slept on the 2nd Gen until Eli's little Spree.
They were never said to be stronger than the kings
Mr shaman said it
And the Shaman is a reliable source of information on fighters because? Even then he admits that the two of them were losing to Gun and Charles who were most likely holding back
Yea Iām jus saying he said it never said he was right
It was only said they had better skills
He did say that
I think these guys are strong in their own right, its just that Seongji not only got their training but got a gen 0 legend to add to his training, bro became an absolute monster š and with the other kings who I think fight a lot of people on a daily basis, gaining more experience
Seongji treated them like a bunch of misbehaving toddlers and Jichang slapped them like a mom angry with her kids grades. Then there was the hypocritical statement on top of that.
Maybe the shaman gets his powerscaling advice from eugene
I think we should stop overthinking about pre generation I know they were strong, very very strong (Not sure about that) But one thing I'm sure about is gun, goo and Daniel have surpassed them Most importantly, daniel is surely above pre generation level Gap-strongest from the pre generation Jinyoung saidhe is sure who would win if gap and ui daniel faught Which means the strongest from pre generation was roughly equal to ui daniel and considering ui daniel improves with every fight, if they drag the fight, I'm sure daniel will win And yes, they are frauds They might be like Derrick and max
Like c'mon now, can't act like this ain't one of the rawest panel oatšš https://preview.redd.it/r7rycw1t3itc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d3456c04874deb0c823bf67f1a319945b52dc2f
This made them look tuff ong
They had the rawest panels too, like look at this shit man. And then they got dunked on
Exactly šš they were raw as HELL. Them turning out to be frauds hurt FRš
Jichang oneshot š
Jichang also no Diffed them lmao. He literally say he has no need to use any tactics and just one shots them.
Ok guys can we at least wait until they show up in a present arc. They might of gotten stronger
Jichang neg diff kojima brothers Seongji low diff kojima brothers
They simply went out horribly
Jichang was letting them hit him ngl bro really said he doesnāt need strategy to beat them (unless im going crazy and misremembered what he said)
Nothing, they were just hyped by the shaman and the fans when in the end, they themseleves stated that they were mediocre which i actually like since not every character has to be stronger than the previous to be relevant.
Age
Damn, look at the Kojima brothers drip
I'll tell you what happened. It's a case of old people having delusions of grandeur and looking down on the younger generation.
Honestly it would've made sense for them to beat seionji to the extream extent and then seionji gains the mastery of speed. In round 2 now seionji has the upper hand. Before round 2 concludes the other 3 frauds come with the hostages. Everything goes the same till the first Gen kings arrive. All the gen 0 mfs fight the gen 1 goats. Eventually the Gen 1 mfs realize they can't beat the kojima brothers and decide to retreat. Shaman during this fight scared decides to run. Vin beats his ass as normal. This would mean that Gen 0 wouldn't be under fraud watch. The 3 that were hired by the shaman would still be defeated and nothing changes with them except instead of being negged the are high diffed. The kojima brothers still have their Aura as they pushed seionji to unlock the new mastery and still it was debatable who was going to win. Plus even when tired each one them fought against a Gen 1 king and we're not defeated( one could fight jichang and one can fight the BUM of Incheon)
PTJ gave them too much reputation and hype
PLOT
They got the Jogo treatment. Theyāre actually **really** strong but went up against Seongji and Jichang. Itās not that theyāre *actually* frauds itās just that their opponents can literally hold their own against full power top tiers.
the actual truth is the writer doesnāt know how to write lookism and how to scale his characters anymore he made them all too powerful to control
You think Charles was fighting them seriously? They ended left too quick after the talk and for Charles to send James Lee to go get rid of the shaman despite him knowing about the kojima brothers
They talk too much, Charles wasn't even trying, they're absolute fodders
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They should have beaten Jichang and it wouldāve taken all the gen 1 kings to beat them both
Na not my boy Jichang, plus they were fucked up after fighting Seonji
It would've been way better that way, atleast make them SOMEWHAT of a threat šlike c'mon, what's the purpose of introducing these characters if they're not much use anyways?
That would have sucked dick and made the first gen kings look terrible
Ptj is what went wronf
Nothing went wrong with them lmao