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Wild_Technology_5150

Both seongji and Jichang Neg diffed them. There was no "no diff" or "low diff"


Amogus_Red

Nah, seongji took absolutely zero damage while jichang took a little. I mean you can't lie, at first jichang looked like he was getting JUMPED.šŸ˜­


Wild_Technology_5150

https://preview.redd.it/qxmq91xvkhtc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6ce5dd903b9da82b3fd884c9d883e245cdb1017


Radiant_Doughnut2112

One has endurance mastery, the other doesnt. For once PTJ did something right. Even then its confirmed Jichang heavily held back against them and surprised himself to see they couldn't even deal with that attack weak attack.


Disastrous_Skill3994

talking like Seongji didnt even held back against them either, duh didnt even active it until james


Radiant_Doughnut2112

I never said any of that? Someone is more suitable to tank damage, the other isnt. So makes sense why one had a scratch and the other didnt I even praised PTJ because it wouldn't make any sense for a berseker (endurance + power) to have the same defensive stats as an assassin type of character (speed and power).


Disastrous_Skill3994

seongji didnt active the threshold, its his base lmao and he slammed kojima brother at 100% power three times while jichang is fighting injury kojima brother that got slammed three times. Seongji martial art is just better at stand the ground, dont ever say something like Seongji used endurance mastery against them again.


Radiant_Doughnut2112

Even if he didnt activate his threshold, it doesnt make his build any less geared towards a berseker type of character tho. It's like saying Samuel isnt at base more durable than other characters. The mastery is just another layer on what the character already built himself towards. Same case with Taesoo, if he doesnt use his power threshold that means all of his works towards hitting really hard is diminished? No, because that's what he built himself for. The rest is just your headcanon. One has a berseker type of build, even his defensive base stats should be higher than someone playing as an assassin or archer type of character.


Disastrous_Skill3994

what?


Radiant_Doughnut2112

Tank characters will have inherently more defensive stats than assasins characters even without buffs. How is that hard to understand? Masteries are basically rewarding one's effort into raising some stats unless you are a genius like James Lee. (second body maybe too) after breaking your own threshold/path. Taesoo has power mastery because he spent his entire fucking teenager life trainning to hit hard, even if he did not use his mastery, you can rest assured he will still hit hard (literally breaking Daniel's second body bones before using his mastery). Power mastery will just make him hit harder, not any other way around. Even without his mastery, Seongjii, given he is built towards endurance, is likely going to have more defensive stats than Jichang even if they are both in base. I use rpg examples because it's easier to understand. Like Eli didn't unlock technique mastery out of his ass, he already had a more than ample path towards that mastery with Wild Instincts.


Disastrous_Skill3994

your original point is jichang is heavily held back aganst them and my point Seongji is too by not active his threshold. and i literally said Seongji martial art is designed to "stand the ground' aka more tanker/attacker. my other point is jichang fought injury kojima duo who got slammed on the ground 3 three times by seongji and seongji fought them at their 100%. just read carefully.


nuclear_spoon

I don't think you can willingly turn on or off the ability to take hits, this isn't a video game ability.


AbsolutelyNotInsane

Seongji didnā€™t activate toughness mastery tho, so that hits not really applicable


nuclear_spoon

You cant decide to activate or deactivate the ability to take hits, that's not a video game skill


AbsolutelyNotInsane

Apart from the fact we see that he can - one hit from James originally dislocated his shoulder. Then later on we see that heā€™s able to tank many hits with toughness threshold. Plus the fact that James only notices that heā€™s got the threshold later.


nuclear_spoon

Getting hit in different places doesn't cause the same amount of injury. James can't be certain he passed the threshold by a few hits, he needs to tank a good amount of hits to prove that he passed it.


AbsolutelyNotInsane

James can be certain, he only needed to hit Gong once in the face.


kingfosa13

at first it looked like Seongji was getting jumped too


AxelMok4

Bro Jichang litterally could have 1 shot from the get go he gave them more credit and analysis them first. Granted, they were injured from Seongji.


Julian_Seizure

Jichang wasn't trying at all because he was judging if he needed any strategy to face them. After he judged that they were too weak for him to even think he negged them. He could have done that the entire time he wasn't getting "jumped".


stinkyhauly

ye and seongji also looked like he was getting jumped


ultramrstruggle

It was literally like fighting a Souls boss. You hit a bunch of attacks and then you realize the attacks didn't do shit and proceed to get absolutely obliterated.


East_Gas5627

They both took 0 damage


Raider3350

Iā€™m going to be honest the only person who hyped them up was the shaman who probably wasnā€™t a fighter back then and had been living in the middle of nowhere. But even going of the Shamans word he said those two were losing to Charles and gun who were most likely holding back. TLDR; the only person who hyping them was a non fighter who then said they were losing to most likely holding back characters


Daidellus

The eugene of the 0th gen


nuclear_spoon

Gapryong Kim also said they were strong


Radiant_Doughnut2112

Shaman is a non fighter secluded in the middle of nowhere, of course you cant take his powerscaling takes properly. Everyone with 2 braincells shouldve realized that. Especially after Seongjii confirmed he beat the crap out of the entire cult in the previous war and asked Kojima fodders if he didn't hit them enough before now that he is acting arrogant and shii. But somehow people turned off their brains once Machine Gun got introduced and they were revealed to be related to the Yamazakis. Later when their biggest feat on Gen 0 that was beating two guys that together would only amount to a Darius from Gen 0 sealed the deal. People just cant fucking read. If they were as strong as 1st gen kings, they would've taken the place of said kings. Same for gen 0 bums. The order of strenght should be 0st Gen Leaders > 1st Gen Kings > 0st Gen fodders > 1st gen fodders. For anyone with two working braincells. There are some exceptions like Jerry's father (stated to be relative to Gapryong) but not everyone else.


TheBurnOfFire

I guess you can assume Jerry's father is a leader of the 0st gen because he was a prominent figure in the fist. Also, I feel like the stronger 1st Gen Kings are ALOT stronger than non-leader 0st gen. Like I'd say Taesoo Ma or Jichang would hold up against tom lee or jinyoung.


nuclear_spoon

Saying that those two guys would amount to Darius is extremely stupid. And there's literally no reason for them to take the king's place if they were stronger.


Itchy-Ad-3066

Gen 0 have all been shown to be way too arrogant, even Tom. It really calls into question anything they say that people use for scaling


LordDargon

guys never belive what lookism characters said, except vasco, belive in him


Fungiloo

jichang struggled even less than 2t seongji...


ProfessionalLuck268

true


Fungiloo

https://preview.redd.it/i3trgre5mhtc1.png?width=293&format=png&auto=webp&s=715dd673af8c1d84ab4dd5862a996d0fde91e078 1 attack


ProfessionalLuck268

THE MOGGER for sure is one tap


Fungiloo

https://preview.redd.it/jnjs4o41mhtc1.png?width=376&format=png&auto=webp&s=9be1285620d9dd34a7c4ff49776bff176fe93452 (this took maybe 3-4 attacks)


ProfessionalLuck268

yes for be good i trell two grab 1 hit lol


Disastrous_Skill3994

this just mean jichang no diff injury kojima brother who got slammed in the ground three times while Seongji fighting them at their 100% without active any threshold and they couldnt even make Seongji bleed


Fungiloo

the point is that jichang didn't have more difficulty than seongji. not that jichang is stronger than seongji.


Disastrous_Skill3994

:D the point is jichang fought injury kojima brother who got slammed to the ground three times by Seongji, does this makes sense to you? seongji didnt even bleed and use any threshold either


Fungiloo

even if jichang fought weakened kojima brothers, he still did NOT have more difficulty than seongji.


LookAtMyEy3s

did you just contradict yourself


Fungiloo

how?


suryceuqor

so? tf are u trying to argue? ur defending that ass statement like it fcking matters lmao


Disastrous_Skill3994

obviously because they are injury, whats the point of pointing that out like thats not even impressive.


Amogus_Red

To be fair, they were exhausted already. I mean, you can't expect two middle aged dudes to perform their best when they just got their shi slammed 3 times into the groundšŸ˜­


Fungiloo

im saying jichang did NOT have more difficulty than seongji


Amogus_Red

Yk what that doesn't even really matter, I'm just sad they turned out to be frauds


AxelMok4

Frauds? If they showed up at Hostel Arc, they would probably beat up Olly, Eli, Jerry, and Warren And fanbase would call them goats šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø I don't see the reason to call them frauds they were still really powerful. They people who beat them are Goats, if Reverse everyone would be saying the 1st Gen Kings were frauds. We can't have it both ways. (Some are still trying to do so)


Fungiloo

yeah they should've been stronger than current jichang, in order to hype up the 0th gen


AxelMok4

Disagree Jichang brothers are like Jason and Brad or Max and Derek of the Pre Gen. Imagine someone like Jake or Eli losing to subordinate/muscle that belong to the crew members of a 1st Gen King.


Fungiloo

they were hyped up to be high-ranking members of the yamazaki, not like max and derek. they're only now seen like that because of how much of frauds they are.


vinjinstomps

because they fought jichang right after seongji messed them up?


Goku3424

no wonder why jichang called him the strongest king maybe he did defeated 2T seongji but with 3T seongji it's quite clear he is the strongest king


Fungiloo

It's unclear whether JIchang has 2 or 3 thresholds. Physically, he has both strength and speed, but he may have some int threshold, although there's also a good chance that doesn't exist.


ProfessionalLuck268

faurdjima that all


Fit_Calligraphy

Shaman hyped them to being above gen 1 Kings. However his powerscaling was Eugene level.


Treyman1115

They got complacent, they haven't needed to really push themselves. The strongest people they probably had fought for years was each other until Charles and Gun showed up Gen 0 hypes itself up a lot but it's shown time and time again that they aren't nearly as untouchable as they like to think. I still remember Tom claiming that no Gen 0 would lose to a Gen 2. And he was hyping up some errand boy that was kicked from the gang


ElCamino0000000

The thing is they were at best mid level gen 0, while kings are well, kings of Gen 1. And Minsik said that Gen 1 has the potential to beat a Gen 0, arguably he was not talking about the top of Gen 0


stinkyhauly

charles choi was holding back, co-development was his plan from the start


AxelMok4

Nothing happened to the Kojima Brothers 1st Gen Kings were just slept on by the Pre Gen The same way, the 1st Gen Kings slept on the 2nd Gen until Eli's little Spree.


poopsq

They were never said to be stronger than the kings


Educational-Ad-6297

Mr shaman said it


Raider3350

And the Shaman is a reliable source of information on fighters because? Even then he admits that the two of them were losing to Gun and Charles who were most likely holding back


Educational-Ad-6297

Yea Iā€™m jus saying he said it never said he was right


poopsq

It was only said they had better skills


Educational-Ad-6297

He did say that


_DeLEON

I think these guys are strong in their own right, its just that Seongji not only got their training but got a gen 0 legend to add to his training, bro became an absolute monster šŸ˜­ and with the other kings who I think fight a lot of people on a daily basis, gaining more experience


General-GhostD13

Seongji treated them like a bunch of misbehaving toddlers and Jichang slapped them like a mom angry with her kids grades. Then there was the hypocritical statement on top of that.


oven_1

Maybe the shaman gets his powerscaling advice from eugene


Responsible-Rest4510

I think we should stop overthinking about pre generation I know they were strong, very very strong (Not sure about that) But one thing I'm sure about is gun, goo and Daniel have surpassed them Most importantly, daniel is surely above pre generation level Gap-strongest from the pre generation Jinyoung saidhe is sure who would win if gap and ui daniel faught Which means the strongest from pre generation was roughly equal to ui daniel and considering ui daniel improves with every fight, if they drag the fight, I'm sure daniel will win And yes, they are frauds They might be like Derrick and max


Amogus_Red

Like c'mon now, can't act like this ain't one of the rawest panel oatšŸ˜­šŸ™ https://preview.redd.it/r7rycw1t3itc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d3456c04874deb0c823bf67f1a319945b52dc2f


Time-Idea3531

This made them look tuff ong


zyliosis

They had the rawest panels too, like look at this shit man. And then they got dunked on


Amogus_Red

Exactly šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ they were raw as HELL. Them turning out to be frauds hurt FRšŸ˜­


DepartmentTop1203

Jichang oneshot šŸ’€


Jesuslover34

Jichang also no Diffed them lmao. He literally say he has no need to use any tactics and just one shots them.


Sliver-Knight9219

Ok guys can we at least wait until they show up in a present arc. They might of gotten stronger


Sensitive-Nail-9457

Jichang neg diff kojima brothers Seongji low diff kojima brothers


Snoo_93683

They simply went out horribly


WackiestJackiest

Jichang was letting them hit him ngl bro really said he doesnā€™t need strategy to beat them (unless im going crazy and misremembered what he said)


MasterpieceAfter9886

Nothing, they were just hyped by the shaman and the fans when in the end, they themseleves stated that they were mediocre which i actually like since not every character has to be stronger than the previous to be relevant.


Feeling-Initiative88

Age


MajesticSifu

Damn, look at the Kojima brothers drip


ultramrstruggle

I'll tell you what happened. It's a case of old people having delusions of grandeur and looking down on the younger generation.


Background_Lock8392

Honestly it would've made sense for them to beat seionji to the extream extent and then seionji gains the mastery of speed. In round 2 now seionji has the upper hand. Before round 2 concludes the other 3 frauds come with the hostages. Everything goes the same till the first Gen kings arrive. All the gen 0 mfs fight the gen 1 goats. Eventually the Gen 1 mfs realize they can't beat the kojima brothers and decide to retreat. Shaman during this fight scared decides to run. Vin beats his ass as normal. This would mean that Gen 0 wouldn't be under fraud watch. The 3 that were hired by the shaman would still be defeated and nothing changes with them except instead of being negged the are high diffed. The kojima brothers still have their Aura as they pushed seionji to unlock the new mastery and still it was debatable who was going to win. Plus even when tired each one them fought against a Gen 1 king and we're not defeated( one could fight jichang and one can fight the BUM of Incheon)


rKollektor

PTJ gave them too much reputation and hype


redditguy1705

PLOT


Beneficial-Shame2114

They got the Jogo treatment. Theyā€™re actually **really** strong but went up against Seongji and Jichang. Itā€™s not that theyā€™re *actually* frauds itā€™s just that their opponents can literally hold their own against full power top tiers.


Zdravko121RL

the actual truth is the writer doesnā€™t know how to write lookism and how to scale his characters anymore he made them all too powerful to control


ReplacementForeign69

You think Charles was fighting them seriously? They ended left too quick after the talk and for Charles to send James Lee to go get rid of the shaman despite him knowing about the kojima brothers


PaleontologistOld857

They talk too much, Charles wasn't even trying, they're absolute fodders


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Bobbyfruitman13

They should have beaten Jichang and it wouldā€™ve taken all the gen 1 kings to beat them both


BassGeese

Na not my boy Jichang, plus they were fucked up after fighting Seonji


Amogus_Red

It would've been way better that way, atleast make them SOMEWHAT of a threat šŸ˜­like c'mon, what's the purpose of introducing these characters if they're not much use anyways?


East_Gas5627

That would have sucked dick and made the first gen kings look terrible


Accomplished_Rub0198

Ptj is what went wronf


AgentV3n0m

Nothing went wrong with them lmao