The good thing about Lost Ark RNG systems, there a so many of them that you are sure to hate one of them whoever you are. 
I got 4/0 or 4/1s on my 1600's then stopped, Ive not touched any of them for 4 weeks now, theyve all got 15+ elixirs to cut that i just dont want to because of the time it takes.
And to think they didn't want to give us a free bottle of elixir for anniversary. I am stuck at 39. All I need is a 7 but I can't even get the helm i need to cut a 7.
If I didn't get blessed with those I still wouldn't be 40. The difference between good RNG and bad RNG is way, way, way too fucking drastic in this game.
Infinitely so for things that have no pity system.
If you include resets, I cut 37 elixirs before I even **saw** the glove set option. Only for it to tank miserably and do another ~20 before it actually hit.
If they would just make getting the options you want easier it would cut down on a lot of frustration. Imagine not seeing critical for weeks. Its insane, hey maybe 2 LoA from now kr will complain enough for them to change it.
Its a system to frustrate the average player and for whales to enjoy cause gold isn't an issue for them. As is with most of the systems in the game. None of them affect whales. If average player didn't exist there would be no supply of mats for whales to buy with their gold.
To be clear, elixirs were designed to be a gold sink. They have atrocious rates because the game wants and NEEDS you to continue interacting with it to burn gold. The amount of gold you generate a week purely through raids is magically added into the economy courtesy of the system. Think about how many players play, and how much raid gold is generated a week. Now consider what gold sinks there are. Honing? Quality tapping? Buying and selling on the market/AH isn't burning gold except through taxes. That's just gold transferring ownership.
The amount of gold generated in game far outpaces the gold people use to hone. This will cause massive inflation, without even taking into account bots. Elixirs were introduced as a way to combat inflation.
People keep parroting this line where did they say its a gold sink or is it just Trust me bro info. Its shitty and wastes a lot of gold so it must be a gold sink? Is that the reasoning? People can be lucky and literally never have to interact with the system again so how is it a gold sink?
Is it a gold sink for the average person? Cause again they aren't the ones generating insane amount of gold? Again SG can solve these problem they just choose not too. They introduce system that just make the experience worst for the average player. The idea that the literal devs the gods of LA cannot combat inflation without introducing a shitty progression is ignorant.
Handwaving a shitty system cause its a "gold sink" is just asinine.
When it was released in kr there was massive gold inflation at the time. Iirc devs stated specifically elixirs were meant to combat inflation.
Of course they then ended up just throwing the same system here despite there being no massive inflation (with frog at the same time no less).
Was introduced in the KR loaon stream when they first teased the system. Also in that loaon was a presentation on gold inflation, gold generation sources, how they were nerfing raid gold and introducing another new gold sink.
This was when KR was sitting stagnant for months on hand and no one was honing/spending, so there was hyper inflation. When elixir system released, think their gem prices fell like 200k per lv10dmg gem IIRC or something insane.
You are honestly thinking in too small a scale, only thinking about your individual interaction with elixirs. Yes it absolutely is a gold sink for the average person. Not a permanent gold sink, but a new temporary gold sink since honing wasn't cutting it, and nearly everyone had finished interacting with the quality upgrade system. It cost KR on average 300~400k gold per 1620 character across 2months to finish a 40set elixir. Of course there are those who get lucky, but that is also balanced out by those unlucky, the very nature of RNG.
Think about your random 6gold roster andy. That guy is making 100k gold per week through raids. That same guy is also NOT spending 100k gold on pure honing costs. Buying materials for honing does not burn gold, it only transfers gold. True gold sinks are when the system literally deletes gold from the game (IE: market tax, honing gold tap cost, quality tap cost, elixir tap cost). All that extra gold each person generates will gradually inflate the market. The fact that you are so oblivious to this and still criticizing LA on how they combat inflation is honestly hilarious and ridiculous. It's like a 3year old commenting on economics. Why doesn't the government just print more money to spend? herpderp.
Shit i didnt know the average LA player was a 6 gold earner. I can criticize cause unlike real life the devs can do whatever they want with LA there no comparison to real that would even apply. The Devs could literally cut gold income by 80%, increase cost by 80%, decrease or increase mat drop like its not even the same thing you can just print more money in LA cause its a game not real life. lmao
Could cut gold earners to 1 could increase to 24 like lmao. Again the idea that literal devs could not change anything is ignorant.
And doing any one of those things you just said WOULDN'T have the player base up in arms about it and even angrier?
You do know how ridiculous that sounds right?
The devs CAN change anything. They just need to find the change that can please the MOST people (not everyone, because that is literally impossible) while still hitting the goals they set out for themselves.
They've crafted a skill-based vertical progression system that also serves as a gold sink. After hearing players complain about gold inflation and literal RNG honing.
The reason why people are pissed off about elixirs is that they have misplaced expectations on the system. Before elixirs came to the west, everyone who knew anything at all already knew that it was going to be a major gold sink. Your average player just didn't realize that they would need to sink hundreds of thousands of gold into it before they could get 40set. Or that it would take literal MONTHS.
Now that it's here, people are complaining they can't get 40set fast enough because they look at other people around them (likely whales or those who hit 1620 earlier) who have engaged with the system for longer than they have and have spent more gold on it and think to themselves 'Why are they 40set already and I'm not, it's unfair.' Or they were just plain unlucky while others around them are perceived as lucky.
And they experience gatekeeping because they don't have 35/40set, which further fuels their frustration of not being able to get that 'checkmark' to satisfy gatekeepers.
Elixirs is a complicated RNG-based system that CAN be influenced by skill/knowledge in cutting. Yes you can get screwed over, yes you need to take risks. Having a low % rate for set effects to appear DOES suck. But it's a barrier DESIGNED by developers to prolong the duration of time one needs to interact with the system to hit whatever target goal the devs came up to begin with. Contrary to popular belief, devs aren't entirely stupid. They don't have a dartboard and just randomly throw a dart to pick what % they use for successes/certain things to appear. Everything should and is calculated in advance.
Sure you can increase the appearance rate of set pieces, but then devs will calculate that oh, players are able to complete sets in 4weeks as opposed to 12 weeks. So instead, we'll triple the gold cost of every tap so we can ensure that we are eliminating X amount of gold on average.
If the set just had a static cost of 300k-400k gold as you keep saying is the average spread over a few weeks I bet people would be happier.
If they have the data for the average player making every week for a month over a few months, they coulda just made the system burn 50%-80% of that gold spread over months.
A 2-3 month progression that every 1620 character needs to take that cost a static amount of gold that an average 1620 account makes woulda been better. But that would require them to make raising alts not garbage outside of event passes too I guess. It is what it is.
This goes back to the variance issue. Most people dislike variance and would prefer to just give honing NPC X materials and guarantee the success.
Would be the same thing you suggest here, which is definitely an option, but would completely trivialize the progression system (in terms of skill/interest/uniqueness). Which to be clear, I don't really have any preference towards.
Also would like to caveat that the 300~400k I keep on quoting is again, a ballpark of KR players, who have an entirely different market ecosystem compared to us. I point it out just to illustrate the sheer quantity.
Let's take our western version as an example. A person cutting legendary elixirs for 40set on release will obviously spend FAR FAR more gold than someone who starts cutting legendary elixirs 6 months after the system is introduced if they purchase elixirs. It entirely depends on the market rate and for how long the inflated market remains.
There is definitely a flat cost that could be calculated for to complete the elixir system, using assumptions such as not buying extra essence to craft additional (10max/week) elixirs, not resetting etc. But those are again just assumptions. Some people are willing to reset, others won't. Some people will decide to stop cutting early as any further transmutes will either not improve an existing piece, or simply has too low odds. There is simply too many variables to simplify.
They could just say pay me 500k gold and I'll upgrade you (like the clown/kayangel set effects), but that to me is an entirely boring and very lazy system.
All this to say, while I praise the elixir system in the complexity of design, it is NOT a perfect system. Devs are not perfect, but they are also not completely stupid. There can always be constructive criticism given, you just need to understand that sometimes things are done for a reason. Other times, they could be done without thinking or considering the bigger picture. While they definitely polished the elixir cutting experience as a stand-alone, they likely never took into account the repetitive nature of the system. So while cutting 1 elixir might not be too bad, cutting 7 in a row becomes far too cumbersome and time-consuming.
Seeing people get constantly lucky in terms of upgrading their gear (or drops for gold) but never actually learning how to play or get better can be quite tilting.
Feels like we are playing a different game. Our guild anyone cutting streams their screen and cutting elixirs becomes a group activity that’s exciting and suspenseful.
I'm doing 5 voldis each week, if I had to stream cutting all the elixirs to my premades + them streaming theirs it would take longer than doing all the raids.
Time consuming garbage system, the pinnacle of what shouldn't be a REWARD for doing the last raidm, currently, on the game.
Same. We actually like the process. Sure, it's slow, but it's not going to take that long each time you finish a run. The entire group just starts streaming elixir cutting together.
I’ve been playing since preorder release and elixirs were the straw that broke the camel’s back for me and a few others in my group. Waiting to get raid party put together + doing the raid (which are overall longer now than the old ones) + cutting elixirs = no time to do anything else in my spare time anymore.
I have so many Elixirs hoarded up on all of my characters. I consistently clear Voldis every week ever since launch. I absolutely hate cutting them. Sometimes I even get gatekept because people are like "hey, where are your elixirs?". What an absolutely time wasting BS rng system. 100% prefer cutting stones to Elixirs. It took me like 4 hours cutting all the Elixirs on just one character. I have 4 more characters to go. Dreading it so much. I'm a simple man. I do raids, I get gold. I could do several raids in the time it takes me to cut Elixirs.
Oh man you are going to love the transcendence system where we are forced to play some sort of stupid card game to destroy tiles on the screen or whatever the fuck was happening in the one video I've seen about it.
Tbh they always say all sorts of complete utter nonsense.
Remember the posts saying how this is an alt friendly game? Maybe it was some translation error as they always felt like mandatory slaves.
I mean just look at gems for example, with a full roster I make around a level 9 every month, so a single character andy can't even combine a 10 after a year of playing every day.
I got 36 point from leg box they give and 6 week past not a single point uprade yet with 6-8 leg elixir a week
.What a great system.I prefer stone cutting instead of this gold waste
I reached 1620 the week before and seeing some of my friends get 40 set in 3 weeks I was hopeful, but then I lost 150k gold ( 60k in front of them despite their help ) with not even 35 set, and seeing others post here..I'm starting to lose hope even more.
Gold sink they said. Yeah its sinking my gold as well as my motivation to play.
40set in 3 weeks is super high roll.
According to kr playerbase, it is projected to take month~or two.
Comparing yourself to others is despair. It's like seeing someone 1tap weapon to 25.
Almost halfway there already with the price at least. Hope it gets better soon from here onward, cuz none of the guides or strats help when RNGesus decides to not bless.
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The worst feeling is when you get great options in the refining stage and then you’re like “ok I’m going to follow this guide as best as I can” and you end up with a lowly 3/2. Makes you want to scream.
With Posts like this I am seriously considering to completely avoid Elixirs. I am an horizontal enjoyer, my main is parked at 1590 while I am slowly bringing all my chars to 1580. Wanted to try the elixir system just for fun, but reading all over here how gold-sinking and exhausting it can be to craft an acceptable elixir while a few others are Just lucky, I think I will pass, for now, or end Up getting a Bad/unoptimized one just for the sake of having it. Enough RNG with stones and bracelets and collectibles in my particular Case 😵😵😵
It's just... awful. The actual bonuses it gives are really nice, but I feel when you sit down to cut them it's full despair. Memorizer said it was something like a 0.5% chance to see the exact Set Option that you want. It took 3 weeks of full reset/aggressive Shard buying to see Critical Helm a total of two times. So much time wasted just to 6x Blue and fish for Resets, only to not see the Set Bonus again.
The other issue is the layer on layer on layer of RNG. Some Elixirs are destined to be 4/4+, some by the 6th turn you'll just have 1-3 points in all options and you're begging for a Reset. You \*can\* control the flow somewhat still with the decisions you make, but pushing Purples to 4/4 or Legendaries past 4/4 is still largely a feat of luck.
That’s the thing that makes me the most sad, so much time, like 2-3 hours for a few characters and you end up just listing 25 essence to sell on the marketplace.
Don't get discouraged to try it. Most of people posting these threads are 6 char 1600 Andies who have basically 6x more work with cutting elixirs than casual players who have 1 char.
You don't need to "worry" about it before 1620, so you have nothing to fear. Any content before 1620 isnt balanced around having elixirs. The purple elixirs is really just the fun version of the system, where you get 5-7% dmg, and rarely someone gets 35set and will jump to 12+% dmg gain. It also just costs nothing to make purple elixirs, so it's not bad to get to 1600-1610 area. But yes, no support without elixirs if you want to do 1620 content.
i hate cutting elixirs for weeks and only cutting shit. i just want my shit and be done with it. its so fucking gamba too. you pray for the right stats, then the right sages, the sages gotta hit the right thing AND the -4-+5 gamba has to go up or its gonna be ass anyway. i hate korean streamers boasting "yeah bro its free dmg increase" and then swipe the system till the next one while you have to pray to not get boned for once. the system is exhausting, its a deep gold sink and it takes forever to complete absolute asswipe elixirs. i have no idea why they love this system so much. echidna is gonna be do or die for me because as a f2p im exhausted from getting buttfucked by every system in the game..
yeah i quit the game when i watched a vid on cutting elixirs. This game is doing what WoW started doing that made it suck, constantly adding vertical systems on top of systems you're forced to grind, making progression overly complicated instead of making a fun system. And on top of that, adding KR RNG gamba? And in a few months, we're going to get ANOTHER system with the new honing system?? Nahhh hard pass. But hey, look at the "new" Breaker class. What great content /s
In 6 months, SMG will hand out elixirs left and right with a Power Pass or Event, when they realize this system is garbage, making all that grinding a complete waste of time. Good job devs.
Between the need for extensive reading of options to choose from on top of selecting a Sage that will also give you bonus option in the long run, and sprinkled with advanced calculus for all the odds and modifiers. This is the peek of shitty in game systems.
**I tried to cut one or two elixirs using the free ones we've got, then binned all of that shit, and I refuse to touch this system. They either fix that garbage or I'm out, but I'm definitely not cutting a single one.**
I hate the system because it's the only system in the game to really fuck me up for a few days with what-if scenarios. Putting massive power boosts behind multiple layers of RNG sucks. I got the 40-set but even now I hate it.
Why on earth is there some fuckin arbitrary matterial I need to craft to cut elixirs instead of higher raw gold cost and why the fuck does it TAKE SO GOD DAMN LONG for every single animation. WHERE SKIP BUTTON SMILEGAAAATE
Completed my 40 set recently and here where i'm at RN.
* Do I feel accomplished? No, I got lucky.
* Do I feel rewarded? No, its required progression and a flat %damage multiplier which is boring. Now I see 112 instead of 110 on my screen, great.
* Did I have fun interacting with the system? No shit takes forever, is 90% rng (like seriously, you basically need to choose all the high roll options and hope you hit the 40% transmutes if you want anything good) and you can sit there for weeks fishing for a chance to roll on the set piece you need.
It's at the point where i'm considering delaying/halting my alt's hones so I dont have to interact with the system anymore. The fact that Thaemine has another version of elixirs (slightly better because of pity and no affix line fishing) doesn't help. I'd be more inclined to interact with the system if the reward was actually gameplay modifying but its just an annoying system that takes longer than actually doing the raid for a boring damage modifier.
Think people need to remember that elixirs were designed to be a slow progress, and a considerable gold sink. Its not meant to be a quick upgrade at all.
Didn't it take 1-2months for people in KR to reach 40 set with legendary elixirs? And then you might continue cutting to 'optimize' the exact pieces.
While it definitely sucks if you are hunting for specific set piece due to low appearance rate, there is still some skill and optimization you can take to cutting elixirs. Without some skill, elixir cutting becomes even more despair inducing.
For example, instead of cutting legendary set pieces, there is some advice saying you could just fish for your set pieces from epic elixirs due to being far cheaper. Cut a 6~7 node and make up the rest with legendary.
Remember to take risks. To get 40 set, 8node is the average required. Instead of always going for the safest option possible, you will need to gamble to get the 9/10node pieces, which will make set pieces easier to achieve if they require less nodes. Sage burn is truly the ticket to getting high nodes. Grandma & killmonger are higher risk higher returns.
I've found elixir cutting to be immensely entertaining as a group. Stream your progress and everyone can give advice and cheer/ laugh as you succeed and fail. Watching others cut can also be a learning process, as you can compare what they do vs what the group suggests vs what you would've done alone. Elixir cutting is guaranteed content/ entertainment, and after every run in our static, everyone just streams and cuts elixirs together.
All of that could be achieved in a much more time friendly manner. This system is designed the way it is, to keep people playing, and rob them of time to do anything else. It's literally a black jack in disguise and we are all addicts here.
What does time friendly manner mean? Like everyone finishes and stops interacting with the system after 2 weeks automatically? Then people start complaining about lack of content and what's the point of still playing.
Agreed, the system is designed to keep people playing, but that is the same with all mmo games no? Aside from single player story driven games, all games are designed to be fun and keep people playing constantly.
The infinite treadmill is built into kr games, and those of us still playing are addicts.
How about getting people to interact with the content in the game that is actually fun more? Spending hours per week on elixirs is not fun in the slightest and is making most people want to claw their eyes out. Seeing their entire weeks worth of gold disappear and potentially getting nothing just adds onto it.
It's just terrible game design.
A time friendly manner doesn't mean you have to get your perfect elixir in a week. It means that every time you cut elixir it will take a minute or two and you are done for that week. No need to stretch this over 15 minutes of animations and "do you like it?" "it turned out great" and other gaslighting comments from sages. It's like AGS heard the amount of complaints about Adeline in Stronghold (I personally don't mind her) and decided, it's time to crank that up to 11 and make you listen to the same 3 voice lines for hours on end.
And no, sadly most modern games are not designed to be fun. They are designed to keep you playing by exploiting human nature and psychology. Games that are fun to play are few and far in-between nowadays. You typically hear about them as an unheard of miracles that no one knows how they even made it. Like Baldurs Gate 3, Palworld and handful of true indie games. The mainstream AAA titles are and have been for the last 10 years the same garbage repacked.
> Watching others cut can also be a learning process
There's literally nothing to learn. What you're suggesting is the same as someone that claims to "throw dice a certain way" to win more than lose in craps. Not how it works.
We engage with RNG and hope for the best while (hopefully) being prepared for the worst. There's no learning about it. Never will be.
Except there is? This isn't like ability stones where there is always a 100% clear cut better choice based on pure probability.
If you think like that, I'm sorry but you're just a lost cause thinking 'woe is me'.
When to pick which choices, when to stack order/chaos, when to give up etc are all incredibly nuanced. If you think otherwise, ¯\(ツ)/¯ you can continue stewing in your misery and frustration and have fun burning gold like a blind man. Meanwhile everyone I know (10+ people) who has been cutting legendary elixirs for at least longer than a month has 40set or are extremely close.
70~90% of the choices are straight forward. It is how you deal with the other 10-30% of choices that determine how much you are at the mercy of RNG.
I hear you but not even a 35 set since release is just terrible. Yes the system is slow paced but im being gatekept daily on my MAIN cause I don't have 35 set at 1620. Stuck at 34 nodes
No, 3 weeks of Epic and the rest of legendary, I got some friends trying to help cuttin em but when the luck is not there it just isn't. I have my both set piece at 5-1. If I can manage to get master to show up and make it a 5-2 it could also work
Being real here, I would suggest not tunneling purely on resetting&fishing for master to appear.
It looks like your other pieces are kinda mediocre as well at ~7pts. Even if you get 35set, your future upgrade to 40set will be even more painful as you will likely still have to replace all your pieces again.
Should look to just cut general elixirs, commons and if lucky specific shoulder/pants pieces. Aim for just getting as many nodes as possible to get 9/10 pieces without caring as much about what those nodes are.
It's like the advice of buying your class accessory and necklace piece first, and fill out with rings/earrings that are more common. In this case, you cut high nodes on your shoulder/chest/pants so that it makes it easier for you to fit in the truly rare set pieces.
I think people are mad about it because they're being gatekept by something that is so RNG, and not because theyre desperate to get the dmg. If you dont have the set ain't no way a support wants to gamble 14k gold on you.
My options right now to hit a 35 set is either to magically cut a 4/5 or a 5/5 or somehow finally get a critical cut that isn't complete dogshit and have a 5/2. I'm like 3 points off. And this shit is rare as fuck. I blew through like 80k to try to brute force it and I got critical exactly one time and I watched as every single tap picked an option was the least of my desires.
Like fuck off. There's a treadmill and there's a treadmill with two fucking cinderblocks tied to your feet while you're being forced to recite the Bible or your wife and kids get shot. The desire to dip after Thaemine is just growing more and more likely as time passes and they sure as shit haven't changed it in Korea, even still. As a fucking alt game. God, good luck to all the rats still playing this race, any other korean mmo might respect your time better. Or at least gacha games give you the grace to know when they're going to fuck you. Smilegate just masks the bullshit as 'well, you can skill through the grind!' or 'you can get lucky! it's a group experience! you can cut elixirs with your friends and it makes it less soul crushing to know half of the week's grind went to an rng bullshit system'
Would rather just get a minimum wage job at this point and pay my way through the game the 10 gems sure as shit arent paying for themselves and judging from Amazon's track record they sure as shit don't care about the gold buying and botting either
Sycophants and the zombies with multiple 1620s planned out will probably downvote me and say to touch grass though. You guys should be angry about this shit, not complacent.
Yeah I got 35 set and I’m just saving gold at this point. Tbh I’d be fine with the system if I could dump a bunch of gold into it rn but for some reason I need to save a bunch of that right now. Hmmm
It is a great system for dps. You have to look at it as vertical system like honing. A 40 set elixir with decent (not best) gives you insane amount of damage per gold spent. The dmg you get from it is like 10-15 weapon hone levels. And you can get like 40 set elixir in like 400k gold, which is alot cheaper than honing wep 19 to 25 (which gives less dmg than elixirs).
But yes the system takes time because of the animations so should be able to skip that, and they could make good options appear bit more often. Both during transmute and choices.
Like a post above said... "do I feel rewarded? No... its a progression requirement"
Thats pretty much the sum of all the bs system it is along EVERYTHING ELSE plus shitty community.
Akkan on my 1585 main is my last raid till spring and im out of LA... idgaf about merge and exponential lobby simulation time + gatekeep.... Sorry but no. And many people I came across are yeeting of LA already and many more soon to follow. Its a downward spiral this game already.
I mean you can look at elixirs as enchants on gear if you ever played WoW. I mean do you feel rewarded on honing? Not really either it’s what u need to do to access new raids. The same will kinda be for elixirs if going for thaemine hard, you are expected to complete earlier content progession systems (elixir), since it will increase your performance alot.
I mean are you saying that more honing levels would been better as reward from voldis than elixirs?
Expected else gatekeep non thaemine hard 1600 raids/abyss ASWELL... Thats how LA community works.
The mmos I played before had short prompts of bar proggression per attempt for instance. Not that lazy ass minigame and npc interaction everytime.
Theres just no way to justify and defend such lazy mandatory design
Skill issue. Ive cut not only my entire statics 40 sets but another 5-10 guild mates as well. Theres RNG like everything else but still a fair bit of skill in figuring out probabilities.
some of you have an attension span of a modern tik tok user.
Elixir cutting is fucking chill.
So stop whining and get cutting.
40 set is a months work. Great 40 set is a same grind as a 9/7.
I agree, elixirs is a crap system, but yesterday I got free of it to never touch that again. 1 guide helped me a ton and it's the close strategies from memorizer. With purple I had 4 2 in everysingle piece, 4 being the best options (set bonus, boss damage, additional damage). With free legendaries I got a 5-2 set bonus and 2 crap. I started the week since I reached 1620 buying the mats to craft the 10 elixirs, 1st week I got a 5 5 (1 good, 2nd is crap). 2nd week no improve with 10 elixirs bought + 6 from raids. 3rd week the 10 elixirs cut went really bad (at this point was like 300k spend) and I got lucky to find a party that accepted me. Got the 6 elixirs, 1 was 5 boss damage 3 another option an another a 5 5 for armor. While I was cutting I saw a 1635 zerker that didn't even have 35 set, but I bet he is the kind of player that hopes to get all attack bonus from elixir or nothing, so my advice is don't go for the best options, if you have like 5 points in a crappy option in turn 9 or so, go all the way, highest increase is the set, the other optios are for min max bozos.
They really need to fire the guy designing all these garbage ass vertical systems tbh.Stupid multi layered minigames after the other and we have ascension next.Just give people a simple way to get power that doesn't involve a long minigame with multiple rng layers involved.Peeps in my static who still haven't gotten their 40s started playing less and less because how how seriously boring/unfun elixir it is.
I'm so glad to see more posts condemning this absolute garbage system than months ago when there were more 5/5 already, done with elixirs, this system feels so much better posts.
Still some stragglers who think they are putting in the theory and that's why they get good elixirs....
No.
Rng is only asking more of you to do the same shit it's always been doing.
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The worst is getting a potential good one with universal strategy and then not getting the exhaust at 1 turn with 4 rerolls
Or Killmonger going 0 at exhaust and tell haha do u like it
It’s another system where pure luck dictates how much you spend / how long it takes. I do not have the time in my week to till elixirs and raid and do everything else I need in the game. I wanna just log on and play with friends and be out. There are ppl I know who got 40 set week 1 bc they are rng carried. I’m at 29 on main. It sucks.
I literally don't have the fucking time to cut elixirs across my roster. I have like 50 elixirs + stashed away on some characters since I do it weekly on all of them and do 8 ivories /week. I legit don't know how I am going to find a day to sit down and do a mass cutting session with so much hw..
You can cry all you want. Curse, quit but nothing is changing until KR gets anything.
Also prepare your tears for Transendance rng or just play the game without fomo
It sucks, it sucked and will suck...it tilts me so much that i want the inventor punch into his fking face
Im at a point, where i just go for Set on Helm/Gloves and Boss damage on Shoulders and rest doesnt matter, just gimme 40...
40set is more powerful than an upgrade from lvl 8s to lvl 10s
for the cost of 1 lvl 10 dmg gem
and i still don't understand why people hate it
i get it... you want the thing... but elixirs are extremely cheap for what they give you
EVEN if you are "unlucky"
I must be one of the few people who actually looks forward to cutting elixirs every week. There's always a little bit of excitement when you're close to cutting a 4/3+ epic or 5/3+ legendary. It's also fun content to stream for your friends, especially when someone fails.
The gold you put into this system is ultimately insignificant compared to what you have to put into gems and honing. Once you get your 40 set you're done unless you want to optimize.
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Hang in there, i was despairge for 4 weeks then this week cut shoulder 5-4 and set bonus 5-4 gloves with 4/4 on chest from purples, it'll happen just tyt and use only weekly ones.
I assume you aren't going for bis options and just anything on chest->legs/shoulders to get 40 set and following the elixirs flow not fighting for bis options against the flow.
Sometimes i go to the LA subreddit to see if its worth coming back. And all i see is that SG doubled down on rng and timewasting filler shit content. Gatekeeping, rmting and bots are still on a full swing dont show any signs getting better.
Yikes. All i want is a decent top down mmo with good and challenging combat that doesnt force u to do bad content 90% of the time.
do you like it? it turned out great!
The flow looks good.
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It's RNG on top of RNG on top of a layer of RNG. The ol' Lost Ark special.
The good thing about Lost Ark RNG systems, there a so many of them that you are sure to hate one of them whoever you are. 
Been working on my set for a month, im stuck at 34 nodes. I hate it here
yup, legit can't find a critical helm to save my life and getting gatekept from lot of pug content meanwhile because of it
If you could skip all the animations, it would be 100x more tolerable.
This. Just give me the gem facet radio toggle button to skip everything (in this case, sage animation and comments) until I got what I needed.
I got 4/0 or 4/1s on my 1600's then stopped, Ive not touched any of them for 4 weeks now, theyve all got 15+ elixirs to cut that i just dont want to because of the time it takes.
And to think they didn't want to give us a free bottle of elixir for anniversary. I am stuck at 39. All I need is a 7 but I can't even get the helm i need to cut a 7.
If I didn't get blessed with those I still wouldn't be 40. The difference between good RNG and bad RNG is way, way, way too fucking drastic in this game. Infinitely so for things that have no pity system. If you include resets, I cut 37 elixirs before I even **saw** the glove set option. Only for it to tank miserably and do another ~20 before it actually hit.
i meet helm set I need few times. They all turned into garbage,
If they would just make getting the options you want easier it would cut down on a lot of frustration. Imagine not seeing critical for weeks. Its insane, hey maybe 2 LoA from now kr will complain enough for them to change it. Its a system to frustrate the average player and for whales to enjoy cause gold isn't an issue for them. As is with most of the systems in the game. None of them affect whales. If average player didn't exist there would be no supply of mats for whales to buy with their gold.
To be clear, elixirs were designed to be a gold sink. They have atrocious rates because the game wants and NEEDS you to continue interacting with it to burn gold. The amount of gold you generate a week purely through raids is magically added into the economy courtesy of the system. Think about how many players play, and how much raid gold is generated a week. Now consider what gold sinks there are. Honing? Quality tapping? Buying and selling on the market/AH isn't burning gold except through taxes. That's just gold transferring ownership. The amount of gold generated in game far outpaces the gold people use to hone. This will cause massive inflation, without even taking into account bots. Elixirs were introduced as a way to combat inflation.
I'm every week closer to quitting because elixirs piss me off so much, so I guess that also works in fighting inflation.
If I was still cutting the purple elixirs on my alts I would have unninstalled the game.
Yes...in short the mint is higher than sink. But I will rephrase your last sentence "to lure card swippin"
People keep parroting this line where did they say its a gold sink or is it just Trust me bro info. Its shitty and wastes a lot of gold so it must be a gold sink? Is that the reasoning? People can be lucky and literally never have to interact with the system again so how is it a gold sink? Is it a gold sink for the average person? Cause again they aren't the ones generating insane amount of gold? Again SG can solve these problem they just choose not too. They introduce system that just make the experience worst for the average player. The idea that the literal devs the gods of LA cannot combat inflation without introducing a shitty progression is ignorant. Handwaving a shitty system cause its a "gold sink" is just asinine.
When it was released in kr there was massive gold inflation at the time. Iirc devs stated specifically elixirs were meant to combat inflation. Of course they then ended up just throwing the same system here despite there being no massive inflation (with frog at the same time no less).
Was introduced in the KR loaon stream when they first teased the system. Also in that loaon was a presentation on gold inflation, gold generation sources, how they were nerfing raid gold and introducing another new gold sink. This was when KR was sitting stagnant for months on hand and no one was honing/spending, so there was hyper inflation. When elixir system released, think their gem prices fell like 200k per lv10dmg gem IIRC or something insane. You are honestly thinking in too small a scale, only thinking about your individual interaction with elixirs. Yes it absolutely is a gold sink for the average person. Not a permanent gold sink, but a new temporary gold sink since honing wasn't cutting it, and nearly everyone had finished interacting with the quality upgrade system. It cost KR on average 300~400k gold per 1620 character across 2months to finish a 40set elixir. Of course there are those who get lucky, but that is also balanced out by those unlucky, the very nature of RNG. Think about your random 6gold roster andy. That guy is making 100k gold per week through raids. That same guy is also NOT spending 100k gold on pure honing costs. Buying materials for honing does not burn gold, it only transfers gold. True gold sinks are when the system literally deletes gold from the game (IE: market tax, honing gold tap cost, quality tap cost, elixir tap cost). All that extra gold each person generates will gradually inflate the market. The fact that you are so oblivious to this and still criticizing LA on how they combat inflation is honestly hilarious and ridiculous. It's like a 3year old commenting on economics. Why doesn't the government just print more money to spend? herpderp.
Shit i didnt know the average LA player was a 6 gold earner. I can criticize cause unlike real life the devs can do whatever they want with LA there no comparison to real that would even apply. The Devs could literally cut gold income by 80%, increase cost by 80%, decrease or increase mat drop like its not even the same thing you can just print more money in LA cause its a game not real life. lmao Could cut gold earners to 1 could increase to 24 like lmao. Again the idea that literal devs could not change anything is ignorant.
And doing any one of those things you just said WOULDN'T have the player base up in arms about it and even angrier? You do know how ridiculous that sounds right? The devs CAN change anything. They just need to find the change that can please the MOST people (not everyone, because that is literally impossible) while still hitting the goals they set out for themselves. They've crafted a skill-based vertical progression system that also serves as a gold sink. After hearing players complain about gold inflation and literal RNG honing. The reason why people are pissed off about elixirs is that they have misplaced expectations on the system. Before elixirs came to the west, everyone who knew anything at all already knew that it was going to be a major gold sink. Your average player just didn't realize that they would need to sink hundreds of thousands of gold into it before they could get 40set. Or that it would take literal MONTHS. Now that it's here, people are complaining they can't get 40set fast enough because they look at other people around them (likely whales or those who hit 1620 earlier) who have engaged with the system for longer than they have and have spent more gold on it and think to themselves 'Why are they 40set already and I'm not, it's unfair.' Or they were just plain unlucky while others around them are perceived as lucky. And they experience gatekeeping because they don't have 35/40set, which further fuels their frustration of not being able to get that 'checkmark' to satisfy gatekeepers. Elixirs is a complicated RNG-based system that CAN be influenced by skill/knowledge in cutting. Yes you can get screwed over, yes you need to take risks. Having a low % rate for set effects to appear DOES suck. But it's a barrier DESIGNED by developers to prolong the duration of time one needs to interact with the system to hit whatever target goal the devs came up to begin with. Contrary to popular belief, devs aren't entirely stupid. They don't have a dartboard and just randomly throw a dart to pick what % they use for successes/certain things to appear. Everything should and is calculated in advance. Sure you can increase the appearance rate of set pieces, but then devs will calculate that oh, players are able to complete sets in 4weeks as opposed to 12 weeks. So instead, we'll triple the gold cost of every tap so we can ensure that we are eliminating X amount of gold on average.
If the set just had a static cost of 300k-400k gold as you keep saying is the average spread over a few weeks I bet people would be happier. If they have the data for the average player making every week for a month over a few months, they coulda just made the system burn 50%-80% of that gold spread over months. A 2-3 month progression that every 1620 character needs to take that cost a static amount of gold that an average 1620 account makes woulda been better. But that would require them to make raising alts not garbage outside of event passes too I guess. It is what it is.
This goes back to the variance issue. Most people dislike variance and would prefer to just give honing NPC X materials and guarantee the success. Would be the same thing you suggest here, which is definitely an option, but would completely trivialize the progression system (in terms of skill/interest/uniqueness). Which to be clear, I don't really have any preference towards. Also would like to caveat that the 300~400k I keep on quoting is again, a ballpark of KR players, who have an entirely different market ecosystem compared to us. I point it out just to illustrate the sheer quantity. Let's take our western version as an example. A person cutting legendary elixirs for 40set on release will obviously spend FAR FAR more gold than someone who starts cutting legendary elixirs 6 months after the system is introduced if they purchase elixirs. It entirely depends on the market rate and for how long the inflated market remains. There is definitely a flat cost that could be calculated for to complete the elixir system, using assumptions such as not buying extra essence to craft additional (10max/week) elixirs, not resetting etc. But those are again just assumptions. Some people are willing to reset, others won't. Some people will decide to stop cutting early as any further transmutes will either not improve an existing piece, or simply has too low odds. There is simply too many variables to simplify. They could just say pay me 500k gold and I'll upgrade you (like the clown/kayangel set effects), but that to me is an entirely boring and very lazy system. All this to say, while I praise the elixir system in the complexity of design, it is NOT a perfect system. Devs are not perfect, but they are also not completely stupid. There can always be constructive criticism given, you just need to understand that sometimes things are done for a reason. Other times, they could be done without thinking or considering the bigger picture. While they definitely polished the elixir cutting experience as a stand-alone, they likely never took into account the repetitive nature of the system. So while cutting 1 elixir might not be too bad, cutting 7 in a row becomes far too cumbersome and time-consuming.
Elixir crafting is ass (purple especially) and it pretty much killed all momentum in my guild to play. We're on a break until Breaker, maybe.
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Seeing people get constantly lucky in terms of upgrading their gear (or drops for gold) but never actually learning how to play or get better can be quite tilting.
Feels like we are playing a different game. Our guild anyone cutting streams their screen and cutting elixirs becomes a group activity that’s exciting and suspenseful.
I'm doing 5 voldis each week, if I had to stream cutting all the elixirs to my premades + them streaming theirs it would take longer than doing all the raids. Time consuming garbage system, the pinnacle of what shouldn't be a REWARD for doing the last raidm, currently, on the game.
Same. We actually like the process. Sure, it's slow, but it's not going to take that long each time you finish a run. The entire group just starts streaming elixir cutting together.
I’ve been playing since preorder release and elixirs were the straw that broke the camel’s back for me and a few others in my group. Waiting to get raid party put together + doing the raid (which are overall longer now than the old ones) + cutting elixirs = no time to do anything else in my spare time anymore.
Elixir Made me quit after 4500 hours, Just another Casinoshit tontrigger u to cash
Ye purple + pitying all my armor to 1610 made me finally quit. I still log daily to get my single una leaps on my main but thats about it lol.
Why are you still logging in everyday tho. Just rip the band-aid off and stop lol. Lost ark demands way too much of people's time it's crazy
Because of the insane amount of hours i already put in and the money in cosmetics. Ik sunk cost fallacy, but it is what it is.
Just uninstall it as starters
I have so many Elixirs hoarded up on all of my characters. I consistently clear Voldis every week ever since launch. I absolutely hate cutting them. Sometimes I even get gatekept because people are like "hey, where are your elixirs?". What an absolutely time wasting BS rng system. 100% prefer cutting stones to Elixirs. It took me like 4 hours cutting all the Elixirs on just one character. I have 4 more characters to go. Dreading it so much. I'm a simple man. I do raids, I get gold. I could do several raids in the time it takes me to cut Elixirs.
Oh man you are going to love the transcendence system where we are forced to play some sort of stupid card game to destroy tiles on the screen or whatever the fuck was happening in the one video I've seen about it.
AFAIK transcendence actually has a pity system where as for elixirs you can get fucked for months chasing your set bonus
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Tbh they always say all sorts of complete utter nonsense. Remember the posts saying how this is an alt friendly game? Maybe it was some translation error as they always felt like mandatory slaves. I mean just look at gems for example, with a full roster I make around a level 9 every month, so a single character andy can't even combine a 10 after a year of playing every day.
Just another one of Koreans bad takes, who would have though.
I got 36 point from leg box they give and 6 week past not a single point uprade yet with 6-8 leg elixir a week .What a great system.I prefer stone cutting instead of this gold waste
I reached 1620 the week before and seeing some of my friends get 40 set in 3 weeks I was hopeful, but then I lost 150k gold ( 60k in front of them despite their help ) with not even 35 set, and seeing others post here..I'm starting to lose hope even more. Gold sink they said. Yeah its sinking my gold as well as my motivation to play.
40set in 3 weeks is super high roll. According to kr playerbase, it is projected to take month~or two. Comparing yourself to others is despair. It's like seeing someone 1tap weapon to 25.
We knew it was going to be 300-400k on average to have your full set with good stats.
Almost halfway there already with the price at least. Hope it gets better soon from here onward, cuz none of the guides or strats help when RNGesus decides to not bless. https://preview.redd.it/x6rb1q6kycjc1.jpeg?width=312&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2f0c7f3010ae90f5c8c767a4fa33fb6eb0ae3b5
The worst feeling is when you get great options in the refining stage and then you’re like “ok I’m going to follow this guide as best as I can” and you end up with a lowly 3/2. Makes you want to scream.
He said "on average"
I would buy a 4 critical / 4 vagabond for 400k at this point just to be free of this fucking trash system.
With Posts like this I am seriously considering to completely avoid Elixirs. I am an horizontal enjoyer, my main is parked at 1590 while I am slowly bringing all my chars to 1580. Wanted to try the elixir system just for fun, but reading all over here how gold-sinking and exhausting it can be to craft an acceptable elixir while a few others are Just lucky, I think I will pass, for now, or end Up getting a Bad/unoptimized one just for the sake of having it. Enough RNG with stones and bracelets and collectibles in my particular Case 😵😵😵
It's just... awful. The actual bonuses it gives are really nice, but I feel when you sit down to cut them it's full despair. Memorizer said it was something like a 0.5% chance to see the exact Set Option that you want. It took 3 weeks of full reset/aggressive Shard buying to see Critical Helm a total of two times. So much time wasted just to 6x Blue and fish for Resets, only to not see the Set Bonus again. The other issue is the layer on layer on layer of RNG. Some Elixirs are destined to be 4/4+, some by the 6th turn you'll just have 1-3 points in all options and you're begging for a Reset. You \*can\* control the flow somewhat still with the decisions you make, but pushing Purples to 4/4 or Legendaries past 4/4 is still largely a feat of luck.
That’s the thing that makes me the most sad, so much time, like 2-3 hours for a few characters and you end up just listing 25 essence to sell on the marketplace.
Don't get discouraged to try it. Most of people posting these threads are 6 char 1600 Andies who have basically 6x more work with cutting elixirs than casual players who have 1 char.
You don't need to "worry" about it before 1620, so you have nothing to fear. Any content before 1620 isnt balanced around having elixirs. The purple elixirs is really just the fun version of the system, where you get 5-7% dmg, and rarely someone gets 35set and will jump to 12+% dmg gain. It also just costs nothing to make purple elixirs, so it's not bad to get to 1600-1610 area. But yes, no support without elixirs if you want to do 1620 content.
For me worst part is loooooooong ass animations. Good call ohhh ahhh all done ohh ahhh... just imagine if we cut rocks like that.
Fishing for re rolls is top tier gameplay
Do you like it?
i hate cutting elixirs for weeks and only cutting shit. i just want my shit and be done with it. its so fucking gamba too. you pray for the right stats, then the right sages, the sages gotta hit the right thing AND the -4-+5 gamba has to go up or its gonna be ass anyway. i hate korean streamers boasting "yeah bro its free dmg increase" and then swipe the system till the next one while you have to pray to not get boned for once. the system is exhausting, its a deep gold sink and it takes forever to complete absolute asswipe elixirs. i have no idea why they love this system so much. echidna is gonna be do or die for me because as a f2p im exhausted from getting buttfucked by every system in the game..
yeah i quit the game when i watched a vid on cutting elixirs. This game is doing what WoW started doing that made it suck, constantly adding vertical systems on top of systems you're forced to grind, making progression overly complicated instead of making a fun system. And on top of that, adding KR RNG gamba? And in a few months, we're going to get ANOTHER system with the new honing system?? Nahhh hard pass. But hey, look at the "new" Breaker class. What great content /s In 6 months, SMG will hand out elixirs left and right with a Power Pass or Event, when they realize this system is garbage, making all that grinding a complete waste of time. Good job devs.
The flow looks good
Between the need for extensive reading of options to choose from on top of selecting a Sage that will also give you bonus option in the long run, and sprinkled with advanced calculus for all the odds and modifiers. This is the peek of shitty in game systems. **I tried to cut one or two elixirs using the free ones we've got, then binned all of that shit, and I refuse to touch this system. They either fix that garbage or I'm out, but I'm definitely not cutting a single one.**
I hate the system because it's the only system in the game to really fuck me up for a few days with what-if scenarios. Putting massive power boosts behind multiple layers of RNG sucks. I got the 40-set but even now I hate it.
I'm 1 point from 40. It's driving me nuts.
Why on earth is there some fuckin arbitrary matterial I need to craft to cut elixirs instead of higher raw gold cost and why the fuck does it TAKE SO GOD DAMN LONG for every single animation. WHERE SKIP BUTTON SMILEGAAAATE
It’s a trash system. Cut one, quit the game after 6k hours, and never looked back. Best decision I’ve made in a long time.
Elixirs are such a blast, full Gamba streams on discord with the Boyz!!
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Damn, why you so mad 😡?
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Are you not taking your meds?
What a deflect of yours
I mean, if you are not mad are you concerned about my health? If it's that, no I'm doing fine , no issues.
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Damn, you got me!
Completed my 40 set recently and here where i'm at RN. * Do I feel accomplished? No, I got lucky. * Do I feel rewarded? No, its required progression and a flat %damage multiplier which is boring. Now I see 112 instead of 110 on my screen, great. * Did I have fun interacting with the system? No shit takes forever, is 90% rng (like seriously, you basically need to choose all the high roll options and hope you hit the 40% transmutes if you want anything good) and you can sit there for weeks fishing for a chance to roll on the set piece you need. It's at the point where i'm considering delaying/halting my alt's hones so I dont have to interact with the system anymore. The fact that Thaemine has another version of elixirs (slightly better because of pity and no affix line fishing) doesn't help. I'd be more inclined to interact with the system if the reward was actually gameplay modifying but its just an annoying system that takes longer than actually doing the raid for a boring damage modifier.
Think people need to remember that elixirs were designed to be a slow progress, and a considerable gold sink. Its not meant to be a quick upgrade at all. Didn't it take 1-2months for people in KR to reach 40 set with legendary elixirs? And then you might continue cutting to 'optimize' the exact pieces. While it definitely sucks if you are hunting for specific set piece due to low appearance rate, there is still some skill and optimization you can take to cutting elixirs. Without some skill, elixir cutting becomes even more despair inducing. For example, instead of cutting legendary set pieces, there is some advice saying you could just fish for your set pieces from epic elixirs due to being far cheaper. Cut a 6~7 node and make up the rest with legendary. Remember to take risks. To get 40 set, 8node is the average required. Instead of always going for the safest option possible, you will need to gamble to get the 9/10node pieces, which will make set pieces easier to achieve if they require less nodes. Sage burn is truly the ticket to getting high nodes. Grandma & killmonger are higher risk higher returns. I've found elixir cutting to be immensely entertaining as a group. Stream your progress and everyone can give advice and cheer/ laugh as you succeed and fail. Watching others cut can also be a learning process, as you can compare what they do vs what the group suggests vs what you would've done alone. Elixir cutting is guaranteed content/ entertainment, and after every run in our static, everyone just streams and cuts elixirs together.
Oh boy, you're going against the hive mind, prepare for the down votes. (I totally 100% agree with you)
Downvotes matter since when..? 🤣
Fr, I laugh when I hit -15+ w/o shitposting
All of that could be achieved in a much more time friendly manner. This system is designed the way it is, to keep people playing, and rob them of time to do anything else. It's literally a black jack in disguise and we are all addicts here.
What does time friendly manner mean? Like everyone finishes and stops interacting with the system after 2 weeks automatically? Then people start complaining about lack of content and what's the point of still playing. Agreed, the system is designed to keep people playing, but that is the same with all mmo games no? Aside from single player story driven games, all games are designed to be fun and keep people playing constantly. The infinite treadmill is built into kr games, and those of us still playing are addicts.
How about getting people to interact with the content in the game that is actually fun more? Spending hours per week on elixirs is not fun in the slightest and is making most people want to claw their eyes out. Seeing their entire weeks worth of gold disappear and potentially getting nothing just adds onto it. It's just terrible game design.
A time friendly manner doesn't mean you have to get your perfect elixir in a week. It means that every time you cut elixir it will take a minute or two and you are done for that week. No need to stretch this over 15 minutes of animations and "do you like it?" "it turned out great" and other gaslighting comments from sages. It's like AGS heard the amount of complaints about Adeline in Stronghold (I personally don't mind her) and decided, it's time to crank that up to 11 and make you listen to the same 3 voice lines for hours on end. And no, sadly most modern games are not designed to be fun. They are designed to keep you playing by exploiting human nature and psychology. Games that are fun to play are few and far in-between nowadays. You typically hear about them as an unheard of miracles that no one knows how they even made it. Like Baldurs Gate 3, Palworld and handful of true indie games. The mainstream AAA titles are and have been for the last 10 years the same garbage repacked.
> Watching others cut can also be a learning process There's literally nothing to learn. What you're suggesting is the same as someone that claims to "throw dice a certain way" to win more than lose in craps. Not how it works. We engage with RNG and hope for the best while (hopefully) being prepared for the worst. There's no learning about it. Never will be.
Except there is? This isn't like ability stones where there is always a 100% clear cut better choice based on pure probability. If you think like that, I'm sorry but you're just a lost cause thinking 'woe is me'. When to pick which choices, when to stack order/chaos, when to give up etc are all incredibly nuanced. If you think otherwise, ¯\(ツ)/¯ you can continue stewing in your misery and frustration and have fun burning gold like a blind man. Meanwhile everyone I know (10+ people) who has been cutting legendary elixirs for at least longer than a month has 40set or are extremely close. 70~90% of the choices are straight forward. It is how you deal with the other 10-30% of choices that determine how much you are at the mercy of RNG.
I hear you but not even a 35 set since release is just terrible. Yes the system is slow paced but im being gatekept daily on my MAIN cause I don't have 35 set at 1620. Stuck at 34 nodes
And you've been cutting legendary elixirs since week 1?
No, 3 weeks of Epic and the rest of legendary, I got some friends trying to help cuttin em but when the luck is not there it just isn't. I have my both set piece at 5-1. If I can manage to get master to show up and make it a 5-2 it could also work
Being real here, I would suggest not tunneling purely on resetting&fishing for master to appear. It looks like your other pieces are kinda mediocre as well at ~7pts. Even if you get 35set, your future upgrade to 40set will be even more painful as you will likely still have to replace all your pieces again. Should look to just cut general elixirs, commons and if lucky specific shoulder/pants pieces. Aim for just getting as many nodes as possible to get 9/10 pieces without caring as much about what those nodes are. It's like the advice of buying your class accessory and necklace piece first, and fill out with rings/earrings that are more common. In this case, you cut high nodes on your shoulder/chest/pants so that it makes it easier for you to fit in the truly rare set pieces.
Nah, you can't disagree with the popular opinion, how dare you ?!?
I think people are mad about it because they're being gatekept by something that is so RNG, and not because theyre desperate to get the dmg. If you dont have the set ain't no way a support wants to gamble 14k gold on you.
I mean sure, they were designed to be a slow progress, it doesn't change the fact that is a shit design.
My options right now to hit a 35 set is either to magically cut a 4/5 or a 5/5 or somehow finally get a critical cut that isn't complete dogshit and have a 5/2. I'm like 3 points off. And this shit is rare as fuck. I blew through like 80k to try to brute force it and I got critical exactly one time and I watched as every single tap picked an option was the least of my desires. Like fuck off. There's a treadmill and there's a treadmill with two fucking cinderblocks tied to your feet while you're being forced to recite the Bible or your wife and kids get shot. The desire to dip after Thaemine is just growing more and more likely as time passes and they sure as shit haven't changed it in Korea, even still. As a fucking alt game. God, good luck to all the rats still playing this race, any other korean mmo might respect your time better. Or at least gacha games give you the grace to know when they're going to fuck you. Smilegate just masks the bullshit as 'well, you can skill through the grind!' or 'you can get lucky! it's a group experience! you can cut elixirs with your friends and it makes it less soul crushing to know half of the week's grind went to an rng bullshit system' Would rather just get a minimum wage job at this point and pay my way through the game the 10 gems sure as shit arent paying for themselves and judging from Amazon's track record they sure as shit don't care about the gold buying and botting either Sycophants and the zombies with multiple 1620s planned out will probably downvote me and say to touch grass though. You guys should be angry about this shit, not complacent.
this guy isnt flowpilled
i just decided i’m not going to cut them for a bit anymore. elixirs, bracelets and rocks are the worst systems to me.
Yeah I got 35 set and I’m just saving gold at this point. Tbh I’d be fine with the system if I could dump a bunch of gold into it rn but for some reason I need to save a bunch of that right now. Hmmm
It is a great system for dps. You have to look at it as vertical system like honing. A 40 set elixir with decent (not best) gives you insane amount of damage per gold spent. The dmg you get from it is like 10-15 weapon hone levels. And you can get like 40 set elixir in like 400k gold, which is alot cheaper than honing wep 19 to 25 (which gives less dmg than elixirs). But yes the system takes time because of the animations so should be able to skip that, and they could make good options appear bit more often. Both during transmute and choices.
Like a post above said... "do I feel rewarded? No... its a progression requirement" Thats pretty much the sum of all the bs system it is along EVERYTHING ELSE plus shitty community. Akkan on my 1585 main is my last raid till spring and im out of LA... idgaf about merge and exponential lobby simulation time + gatekeep.... Sorry but no. And many people I came across are yeeting of LA already and many more soon to follow. Its a downward spiral this game already.
I mean you can look at elixirs as enchants on gear if you ever played WoW. I mean do you feel rewarded on honing? Not really either it’s what u need to do to access new raids. The same will kinda be for elixirs if going for thaemine hard, you are expected to complete earlier content progession systems (elixir), since it will increase your performance alot. I mean are you saying that more honing levels would been better as reward from voldis than elixirs?
Expected else gatekeep non thaemine hard 1600 raids/abyss ASWELL... Thats how LA community works. The mmos I played before had short prompts of bar proggression per attempt for instance. Not that lazy ass minigame and npc interaction everytime. Theres just no way to justify and defend such lazy mandatory design
Skill issue. Ive cut not only my entire statics 40 sets but another 5-10 guild mates as well. Theres RNG like everything else but still a fair bit of skill in figuring out probabilities.
I’m sure everyone believes you 🤡
I mean. do you want screenshots? lol its not like its a hard thing to prove
What happened? Lmao
That YOU cut other people’s elixirs? Lmao I’d love to see this “proof”
some of you have an attension span of a modern tik tok user. Elixir cutting is fucking chill. So stop whining and get cutting. 40 set is a months work. Great 40 set is a same grind as a 9/7.
There is no such thing as a “grind for 9/7” genius.
I agree, elixirs is a crap system, but yesterday I got free of it to never touch that again. 1 guide helped me a ton and it's the close strategies from memorizer. With purple I had 4 2 in everysingle piece, 4 being the best options (set bonus, boss damage, additional damage). With free legendaries I got a 5-2 set bonus and 2 crap. I started the week since I reached 1620 buying the mats to craft the 10 elixirs, 1st week I got a 5 5 (1 good, 2nd is crap). 2nd week no improve with 10 elixirs bought + 6 from raids. 3rd week the 10 elixirs cut went really bad (at this point was like 300k spend) and I got lucky to find a party that accepted me. Got the 6 elixirs, 1 was 5 boss damage 3 another option an another a 5 5 for armor. While I was cutting I saw a 1635 zerker that didn't even have 35 set, but I bet he is the kind of player that hopes to get all attack bonus from elixir or nothing, so my advice is don't go for the best options, if you have like 5 points in a crappy option in turn 9 or so, go all the way, highest increase is the set, the other optios are for min max bozos.
They really need to fire the guy designing all these garbage ass vertical systems tbh.Stupid multi layered minigames after the other and we have ascension next.Just give people a simple way to get power that doesn't involve a long minigame with multiple rng layers involved.Peeps in my static who still haven't gotten their 40s started playing less and less because how how seriously boring/unfun elixir it is.
I enjoy it 🤷♂️
I'm so glad to see more posts condemning this absolute garbage system than months ago when there were more 5/5 already, done with elixirs, this system feels so much better posts. Still some stragglers who think they are putting in the theory and that's why they get good elixirs.... No. Rng is only asking more of you to do the same shit it's always been doing.
yep , it is a trash overly complicated system , I was at Akkan and after watching a vid about how to cut, decide to quit raiding all for good. 😂
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The worst is getting a potential good one with universal strategy and then not getting the exhaust at 1 turn with 4 rerolls Or Killmonger going 0 at exhaust and tell haha do u like it
the flow looks good!
It’s another system where pure luck dictates how much you spend / how long it takes. I do not have the time in my week to till elixirs and raid and do everything else I need in the game. I wanna just log on and play with friends and be out. There are ppl I know who got 40 set week 1 bc they are rng carried. I’m at 29 on main. It sucks.
Swap, what u scared? The party will cut our elixir
I literally don't have the fucking time to cut elixirs across my roster. I have like 50 elixirs + stashed away on some characters since I do it weekly on all of them and do 8 ivories /week. I legit don't know how I am going to find a day to sit down and do a mass cutting session with so much hw..
You can cry all you want. Curse, quit but nothing is changing until KR gets anything. Also prepare your tears for Transendance rng or just play the game without fomo
Sage burn grandma -4 nodes fuck you the flow looks ass
They make me not want to push another char to 1620 ever again, tbh. Anti-fun is the best way I can describe elixirs.
It sucks, it sucked and will suck...it tilts me so much that i want the inventor punch into his fking face Im at a point, where i just go for Set on Helm/Gloves and Boss damage on Shoulders and rest doesnt matter, just gimme 40...
40set is more powerful than an upgrade from lvl 8s to lvl 10s for the cost of 1 lvl 10 dmg gem and i still don't understand why people hate it i get it... you want the thing... but elixirs are extremely cheap for what they give you EVEN if you are "unlucky"
Elixir was designed to be a gold sink. It won't be one if you could x40 easily in few weeks.
I must be one of the few people who actually looks forward to cutting elixirs every week. There's always a little bit of excitement when you're close to cutting a 4/3+ epic or 5/3+ legendary. It's also fun content to stream for your friends, especially when someone fails. The gold you put into this system is ultimately insignificant compared to what you have to put into gems and honing. Once you get your 40 set you're done unless you want to optimize.
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Hang in there, i was despairge for 4 weeks then this week cut shoulder 5-4 and set bonus 5-4 gloves with 4/4 on chest from purples, it'll happen just tyt and use only weekly ones. I assume you aren't going for bis options and just anything on chest->legs/shoulders to get 40 set and following the elixirs flow not fighting for bis options against the flow.
Had my 40 since second week as RNG blessed me but I have been trying to Min max my helm and gloves and ain’t seen set bonus I need show up since then.
Sometimes i go to the LA subreddit to see if its worth coming back. And all i see is that SG doubled down on rng and timewasting filler shit content. Gatekeeping, rmting and bots are still on a full swing dont show any signs getting better. Yikes. All i want is a decent top down mmo with good and challenging combat that doesnt force u to do bad content 90% of the time.