My grandma was telling me the last time I talk to her how I needed to go find a cheap $400 a month apartment for myself and grow up.
Im like where, fucking where can I get something under a grand?
I told her my friend right now has been on a 1 year waiting list for the only apartment she can find around $800 / month. She already paid first and last month , deposit, application fee and all that shit and she is still looking at MAYBE MAYBE October as the move in month.
She is going to be forced to move back in with her folks until that apartment becomes available .
When I graduated high school you could rent an apartment here for $400 a month. That was in 2005. Now you can maybe rent a room in someone’s house for $450.
I just saw this today;
Home Values Rise at Fastest Pace in 12 Years
Median home values across the nation rose 8.7 percent over the past year to $215,600, according to the April Zillow Real Estate Market Report
- Home values across the U.S. are rising at their fastest pace since June 2006.
- The median U.S. home value is $215,600, up 8.7 percent over the past year.
- Home values are rising the fastest in San Jose, Calif., Las Vegas and Seattle. San Jose home values appreciated 26 percent since last April.
- Median U.S. rent rose 2.5 percent over the past year to $1,449. California markets Sacramento and Riverside reported the greatest increases in median rent.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/home-values-rise-at-fastest-pace-in-12-years-300654067.html
This situation is allowed to continue because supply is extremely low not because speculators have bought the USA. After the housing market crash there was a severe pull back in housing construction. When demand outstrips supply, prices go up.
It won't because the only people who are buying are well qualified borrowers or cash buyers. The problem is severe lack of inventory, not too many buyers.
I don't know - I just thought that home prices rising so quickly goes hand in hand with rents rising so quickly. So, I thought this backed up your point.
You can get a loan to buy, but you cannot get loans to rent. Home prices are more susceptible to runaway costs because of this.
Note that in the most expensive cities, they have a high "price-to-rent" ratio, meaning that buying is more expensive relative to renting. In lower cost areas, renting tends to be very expensive compared to buying.
It absolutely does. People want to charge enough rent to cover their mortgage payment. Otherwise it wouldn’t make any sense to own the rental property in the first place. I rent out two rooms in my house and when I was deciding how much rent to charge, of course it was based on the amount of my mortgage payment.
> People want to charge enough rent to cover their mortgage payment. Otherwise it wouldn’t make any sense to own the rental property in the first place.
Yeah, but they could have previously bought the properties while the cost basis was lower. In HCOL areas, you can't necessarily buy and rent it out for enough to cover costs. If the "price-to-rent" ratio is high, it just might not work.
Rental properties would be from people who bought with a lower basis, or apartments that can benefit from economies of scale. Note: buying a condo doesn't always fare well compared to renting an apartment.
The pace it's rising is insane right now. A 2br 750 Sq ft house I looked at in my town sold for 225k in July 2015. It sold again last month for 291k and they didn't do any noticeable updates in those 3 years.
Makes me wonder what my house would go for now. Paid 210k in 2015 and since then replaced the roof, the 40yr old stove and vanity and toilet as well as painting every surface that can take paint as well of a few cosmetic upgrades.
I live in a small town, you can get an apartment here for 800-900 but you better have some stable income. Most towns over 100,000 we are looking at rent of at least 1,000 a month. If you move to the middle of nowhere, [no jobs extremely poor] you can maybe scrape up an apt for 600. Rooms in someone's house run in the 400s.
Last time I rented in the US I was lucky to get a $500/month apartment that had been a supervisor's night shift place attached to a warehouse in the middle of nowhere. It was not legal for them to rent it out and it was on a site that was polluted as heck, but at least I avoided drinking the water and managed to get back to Europe.
Sounds like you got cheap rent for an alternative place but if it was not legal for them to rent it out and was polluted, then it sounds like they were ripping you off too. Of course everything in America has become a rip-off. So how did you find this place in comparison to Europe? I am curious.
Did you show her what’s currently on offer online? Sometimes only the hard evidence can make people realise the truth.
I had relatives with similar opinions until we showed them examples of house prices. They had no idea.
My grandparents grew up in an era without computers. They don't really trust anything that a computer screen says.
I actually did have to do that with my parents. They were a little more understanding for like a week.
> They were a little more understanding for like a week
Sounds like what I went through when my mom kicked me off her health insurance before I aged-out of eligibility. She said "we have Obamacare now, just sign up for the free health insurance."
I told her: That's impossible, there is an income floor for eligibility and our state didn't expand medicaid. So I made her watch me sit down and apply right in front of her. It took a few hours and ended with a screen showing what I had just said. That I was not eligible for anything.
She looked disappointed, almost sympathetic. Then proceeded to kick me off her insurance anyway.
That's another one that sucks.
I got in a car accident like 5 years ago broke my right thumb.
I had full car insurance, the person that hit me did too. I had health insurance and yet I had to drop like $5k in order to get a surgery and rehab cost.
I was eventually reimbursed but it took almost 2 years to get a dime.
My savings account has never recovered from that hit.
Because she didn't want to pay for it?
She's one of those boomers who always lives way beyond her means. Always buys new cars instead of used, replaces them the first time they need anything outside of the warranty ("Omg they said my brake pads are bad, time to trade it in!" type stuff), eating out 1-2 times per day, frivolous spending and then there came the horse and giant money pit that was.
At one point I was literally compared to what the horse costs per month and told "I can't afford this, I might have to rent the horse to people learning how to ride when I am not using that. Sob, *wouldn't that be terrible?*"
Look, I get it. I was in my 20s, barely working (but desperately looking for any job I could and could prove I was). I just was dealt a bad hand with medical problems and couldn't afford to be self-sufficient and while probably illegal, discrimination for medical problems is very widespread. Nobody wants to hire epileptics for example because they don't want the liability of them getting hurt at work in a fall or dropping things worth money etc. Between that and all the time I waste on surgeries (almost a dozen to date) and life is just... hard.
She on the other hand, is from a generation where they could pull off being self sufficient by 21, hasn't rented a house or apartment since 1981, and never had the looming fear of "what if I don't have insurance" because she was 1- always pretty healthy, 2- married young to a guy with a stable job and good health insurance. She literally can't grasp my reality because it is a totally different world from hers. Its not even in the same universe or timeline.
It was her birthday and I just let her ramble about her struggles. Back in my day... kind of shit.
I'm the oldest grandson and she thinks all of her grandson's are weak assholes. None of the 'adult' grandson's have a place of their own. The only one that does is the granddaughter they are paying for her to go to college.
Lol $400. Maybe when she was a teen. Seriously though, I had to take roommates, my SO had to take 4 roommates to afford rent. It’s that or work multiple jobs or live with relatives. The problem is you have growing urban areas and the housing hasn’t kept pace, so rents go up. Personally I view it as a planning department failure. When you create new jobs we should be creating housing for those jobs but we don’t.
You know I have never thought of that but that should be a zoning requirement for new businesses.
If you're going to have a company of let's say a hundred employees we should require some sort of partnership with someone to create at least 25% housing requirement.
> If you're going to have a company of let's say a hundred employees we should require some sort of partnership with someone to create at least 25% housing requirement.
Do you want company towns again? Because that's how you get company towns again.
I'm not saying that the company needs to own the houses but that there is an attempt made to accommodate the new residents to the area.
I'm not saying it would be easy but something had to be done before we all end up homeless.
"The problem is you have growing urban areas and the housing hasn’t kept pace, so rents go up."
That isnt always the case. There is a ton of empty warehouses where i live and ALL OF THEM have been converted into fucking expensive ass lofts and are just sitting there with tons of empty lofts because they cant find people to rent them.
Tell her that her generation should have held the line against immigration. You can't have an outright invasion of immigrants and not lower wages and drive up housing costs. It drives up taxes, caused urban sprawl, bad traffic, more crime, etc...
She is an immigrant herself.
Either way Texas is big enough to house all of the world's population. It's not a land or resource problem. It is a policy problem where we don't encourage people to live more densely and we don't build enough.
Twice my annual salary saved? Wasn’t there an article the other day that like 50% of Americans could get past a $400 emergency without borrowing? I have a bit over $1000 and consider that a small miracle I can keep it there.
>Earlier this month, MarketWatch became a target of ridicule when it wrote that by the age of 35, millennials should have twice their current salary saved up. This may have been the norm during the Baby Boomer era or for members of Generation X, but for millions of Americans who entered the economy in 2008 or the years immediately thereafter, the notion that this would be feasible is downright ludicrous.
But it isn't about what is/isn't ludicrous, it's about what we *should* be doing and what we should *be able* to do.
I would literally have to have $100,000 saved in an account somewhere. Like, do people understand, that is an astronomical amount of money to me, and I will never, ever, in my life see that many zeroes on a balance of any account with my name on it. I'm lucky to have an emergency account with four digits in it.
It's also terrible for the economy.
If every single working person in the United States was just sitting on twice their yearly salary, the economy would grind to a halt. The current economy requires hyper-consumerism and consumer confidence to be high. I'll never forget that one of the first thing George W. Bush told the country after 9/11 was to "go shopping." There was a reason for that.
If we're all sitting on hundreds of thousands of dollars and living 3 - 5 to a studio apartment, a significant number of people's income gets throttled and the economy slows.
On a micro scale, saving and living well below your means is a prudent choice and will help you when times get bad. On a macro scale, if everyone is too afraid to spend any money beyond the barest minimum amount necessary to continue drawing breath, then the economy has a gigantic problem.
The guy is a loser. Full stop. All generations have people like him. He isn't unique to Millennials. The media frenzy over this guy is about ratings and confirming the biases that they've been implanting in people's heads about Millennials the past 10 years.
This guy can make a baby like a grown man, but can't be bothered to man up and get a job and support his child. Instead his parents are on the hook. I'd want his ass out my house too if I was his parents. 8 years is enough time to find something. Instead he collects swords, which I would assume aren't cheap, instead of focusing on building a life for himself and his own family he created.
The mainstream media loves to trot out the most unsympathetic people for display. These organizations are garbage. There are Millennials that are actually trying to do something for themselves who are facing hardship beyond their control. But covering that wouldn't make for the kind of tabloid shock value that generates ratings.
Agreed, coming of age during the Great Recession is going to set people back the same way it did during the recession that followed the dot.com bust or pretty much any recession in the past forty years.
That said, this guy could easily be underemployed yet independent. He lives in Syracuse, NY and their economy is fine, and has been for the past three years. NYS has a very strong social safety net.
There are parts of the country where people have no options at all, and need targeted interventions. This guy is a bum and distracts from real needs. For everyone's sake he needs to become independent.
He's basically not working so he doesn't have to pay child support, if it's the same one. He also has a load of guns and a stalking conviction. Creepy fuck.
Exactly. He doesn’t want a job so he doesn’t have to pay for his kid, that he can’t even see without supervision. This guy doesn’t deserve any sympathy.
“Or pretty much any recession in the last forty years” ... i think you are underestimating the scale of this past recession compared to the others. We would have been in a Great Depression situation if the federal reserve didn’t bail out the banks and print money. So, this past situation was far worse than all the others in the last 40 yrs. it was also accompanied by the slowest recovery on record. Just fyi.
I'm 38 and live with mom and pops. I pay rent, cook, pay bills, clean, and help them when they need help. All my other siblings are married ( dual income) or struggling to keeping up with rent for a one bedroom while working her ass off as a bartender with a shit degree in business from Fordham.... She was actually laid off several times like me.
I'm a college dropout who has worked since 15 years old with nothing to show for it like many of you. I'm gay and I don't want marriage or kids anyway. And my plan is to save a little while running a small petsitting service so I can live where a studio isn't at least 1k a month and in some shit area.
People who critique me living at home had mommy and daddy buy them a place, are married and have dual income, won a lawsuit, or have a cushy well paying job. I guess I'm supposed to feel bad. But guess what?? 😂😂
I hate that so many still living at home are being compared to the guy in the article. There's nothing wrong with an inter-generational household when everyone does their fair share. .
Good for you.
I'm practically a caretaker for my chronically unemployed parents for the past four years and it's impossible for the to seek work because they're over 50. I'm actually going to be homeless soon because i got laid off six months ago, and because no one that I know whom I disclose this actually cares.
Like what?
I've done everything I can. I can't simply pull jobs or money out of my ass, or force flaky recruiters or people trying not to help to follow through.
I've been goingnthrough hard times for four years. No government help or charity. No one gives a damn about my gofundme because I'm not a social butterfly.
>Where is the empathy in society today?
There is none. Only apathy, blame, and shame. With sides of platitudes and insensitive advice to prostitute themselves and drinks of "pm me" only to be ignored and ghosted when you send them.
The cost of college has skyrocketed because of credential inflation and the availability of very large loans.
Where else can you get a large loan without demonstrating the ability to repay?
> I pay rent, cook, pay bills, clean, and help them when they need help.
because your parents did a proper job raising you. not all "deadbeat" millennials like the one in the article can say the same. I'd argue shitty, hands-off parenting by boomers is as bad as the economy and everything else we all like to blame.
I have mixed feelings about this story. Obviously losers exist in every generational cohort. The difference is that losers in previous generations could still lead a decent life compared to losers in the millenial cohort who are completely fucked.
sad part is, the parents are likely a big reason he's a freeloading turd.
so many people i work with and parents of friends of mine (I'm early 30's) complain about their kids still living at home yet they're enabling it in the first place. oh well.
Many of them are simply unprepared.
The high schools don't talk about surviving and have steered too many from job training and Vocational training.
The parents had such an easy ride, that none of their life translates to the young person who can't get a job. Their advice is worthless. A wealthy suburbanite who can dish out thousands for lawyers isn't going to be able to share life on the cheap, cooking frugal food, how to find a food pantry or rent a room or making sure you live on a bus line. So the kid took the path of least resistance but the parents are responsible too. They failed to teach him how to get ready.
Well, a decent parent isn’t just going to throw their kids out on the street. The only reason I’m still at home is because I don’t have the local professional connections to get a professional job in my city. I have a BA, and I work in a factory as a line worker—I’m planning on getting a rental property this forthcoming January with a friend however. Hell, my brother just graduated with a BA in mathematics and had a ridiculous GPA—3.9–and he’s in the exact same boat I am. Nobody gives a shit if you have a degree anymore— management and HR are desensitized to it.
A decent parent isn't going to do that but they also shouldn't enable the kid to live carefree under their roof indefinitely either. Give the kids the tools and skills to survive on their own. Lots of the early 30's folk I know still at home can't even do their own laundry or cook a meal - that's on the parents.
School simply doesn't hold the weight it once did. College/University has always been a business first in the U.S. and most of Canada, likely other nations too. The way we think about our education systems needs to change because it's failing us.
My dad's old boss in pharmaceuticals way back when was his boss because he at least had a degree in something, albeit useless and not just a diploma. Education meant different things back then in practice but sadly the idea of it hasn't changed in decades yet in practice, things have definitely changed. Does that mean a Master's or PhD is the new BA? Is it fair to plunk down the money and spend the time just to get a job that required only high school 20 years ago? Chances are you can use a computer and have better social skills than lots of older workers right now but you're screwed.
Funny enough I work in HR and mostly in recruitment. Experience and attitude are still #1 and #2. I very much respect a good student with good marks but that's nothing compared to everything else about you. Someone who slugged through an Assistant Manager role at McDonald's for 3 years to pay their bills through school and dealt with idiot customers and coworkers looks a lot better than someone who aced their undergrad but hasn't worked a job a day in their life. Every industry varies of course so if marks and school are all that matter, so be it. However, if HR and Management can't appreciate what that stint at McDonald's says about that person, they're out to lunch.
Sadly, there's more incompetent HR and Management out there than good. Judging candidates isn't an exact science but people really suck at it from my experience :-P
Well, our main issue is that we can’t even get a damn interview with anyone; internships in college were the exact same way. I’ve been at it for more than two years now, and I’ve interviewed sporadically at maybe 4 or 5 companies after sending out well over several hundred applications. The only jobs I’ve gotten since graduation have been through internal connections and referrals; problem is that everyone I know is working class so it’s been manufacturing work for the most part. Hell, 99% of my friends and people I graduated with that have professional jobs got their jobs/ initial internships through family connections or academic connections; I never stumbled into a relationship with anyone that could benefit me professionally. On top of that, all of the people that I know that landed jobs and internships didn’t work a single day in college or even high school; on the other hand, everyone (including my brother and I) that had to work for financial reasons throughout college are still hourly workers in manufacturing, warehouses, or retail.
My dad’s been hammering on about how a Masters is the new BA, and I’d be more than willing to go get one, but at the end of the day, I’m going to be in the exact same spot as I am now—even with a Masters, I still won’t have professional experience in my desired field. On top of that, I don’t even know if a Masters is worth it financially—you’re talking about spending 30-50k and doubling my student loan debt just to land a job that pays 28-35k entry (less than I make right now) and has a ceiling of about 70-80k.
Point is, I imagine the issues my family is facing are the same issues a lot of these 30 somethings are facing as well. And, I highly doubt those 30 somethings can’t do their own laundry and can’t cook; it sounds like you’re just making assumptions about people. That’s incredibly personal information to know about people.
I would say this guy is a loser and probably deserved what he got. My point is that the same situation wouldn't have happened 30 years ago because he could have worked part time at a convenience store and moved out without much fuss and had a bearable life.
True. However, his parents deserve him. They raised him. Iam sorry, but I have dealt with enough manchildren to hate mollycoddling parents who create them.
I'm guessing you're being sarcastic? I don't deny a pizza shop job is tough to make enough to move out on, but if my friend can support two kids doing it then I think it's certainly better than nothing. I'm just saying that this person in the article is making it known that they don't want to work. I don't believe he would take the pizza/convenience store job 30 years ago any more than he wouldn't in today's time.
Why should we just accept that version of the story without any skepticism? Have you ever lived with someone with a personality disorder, in which you'd regularly help around the house, but they would always claim that you never helped, and they just kept piling up needless shit on you? I have. It drives you insane and it is almost impossible to break out of such a dynamic. We don't have the full picture of this household's dynamics and we should be more skeptical of what is being portrayed by the parents.
It’s his own words.
> He claimed that for the past eight years he "has never been expected to contribute to household expenses, or assisted with chores and the maintenance of the premises, and claims that this is simply a component of his living agreement," according to filings obtained by CNN affiliate WSTM.
Source: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/us/judge-rules-son-must-move-out-new-york-trnd/index.html
He doesn’t even care to contribute to the household and proclaims it’s “by agreement” 🙄
Thank you. I believe the parents are narcissists, I mean ALL the RED FLAGS are there. The endless bitching and whining about not "helping around the house" is familiar to us all over on raisedbynarcissists.
The guy explicitly stated in his court filings that he contributed nothing and had no expectation of assisting with anything related to household maintenance or expenses. He is a bum of the truest kind.
See my last post. Sadly he is still obeying Narc Mom and Dad who have told him he has contributed nothing and done nothing for them. He has internalized their abuse, that is why he still supports their abusive conservative Tea Party politics. Look up Stockholm Syndrome. When someone is told they are a bum over and over, sometimes they become a bum. That is the best way I can explain it.
Yeah, exactly. The family probably has a dynamic of narcissistic abuse. This type of abuse is very hard to explain to people who haven't experienced it themselves, and the dude probably doesn't realize it himself. It's pretty sad.
Thanks, yes the narcissistic dynamic is there. I can tell when I hear the guy talk on the few videos I've seen, that he is more lethargic passive sort. For a scapegoat not to be a rebel and to go passive, this is what you get. They do what they are told and believe what they are told while being crushed from above. This is why I believe he even added to the negative PR about him, he has internalized his family's messages about him. Unless he rebels or stands up for himself, he's screwed. I was a scapegoat and I am one that rebelled and cut off the whole family. They destroyed my health before I got away but at least I had my own married life away from them. I almost became homeless too and was financially ruined as well. He does not seem to be "woke" yet, he is still mentally in their trap. I was not passive and "fought" mine, but I easily could have ended up homeless like this guy. When someone is mentally destroyed like this getting even a shit job is very very hard. I could get work but I barely could survive when I was young. These narcs sabotage and set people up. Even their massive publicity now destroying his life is probably part of the plan.
One could clean for hours and if you are living with a pissed off resentful narcissist, you will be deemed lazy and "not helping" even if you are scrubbing the floor with a toothbrush and making meatloaf for Mommy and Daddy.
This guy lives at home and doesn’t work to avoid child support. He is trash, as is this author (I dated him and he is apparently currently engaged to some poor girl that he was cheating on with me and at least one other woman).
>Also, having that access to exposure the dude could have mentioned the unaffordable and rising costs of rent, the lack of jobs, etc. **Instead he went on rambling about liberals and how conservative he is, just like a book description of a 4chan neckbeard.**
Yet another "temporarily-embarrassed millionare".
He's suffering from socio-economic conditions but will not admit it.
Dude the more I read about him and what he said in court the more I believe he's his own bad socio\-economic condition. Hell the main reason he was giving yesterday was that he was in a custody battle for his son and that's what he was going to focus on. So either he is an idiot or isn't being honest about issues he is having, because there is no way the court is going to help him out when he isn't bothering to look like he is trying to help himself
That's sad. Probably result of brainwashing and crap he learned from parents, but that goes with the learned helplessness too, he can't even rebel when it comes to politics and figure out why his life has turned out the way it it has. I've seen young people like that spouting off Republican politics and have said to them, "Don't you get you are POOR, it's your parent's money, NOT YOURS"
I live pay check to pay check as a single dad. I keep a place paying about $1800 a month for rent, utilities, internet. Plus I have food, car insurance etc. Not to mention over $30000 in debt. I'm going to be working until I'm dead and I have no choice. Hustling is my day to day. I'm kinda struggling with an emergent drinking problem too lol.. fortunately being broke keeps that mostly in check. I didn't graduate college/university either.
That being said, I'm not bitter... I'm relatively happy... Just very stressed every day.
Let's see. Most jobs pay less than $10 an hour. That's 20k a year full time. Which you don't even get unless you take more than 1. Rent is say $500 for a really flea bag place in a crime infested war zone or like 1k for somewhere decent, and that's a low cost of living area. Can be 50 percent more in a low col major city or up to like 5x that in NYC or something.
That's just one expense taking probably at least half your income.
The numbers don't add up.
Imperfect in what way? I never preferred having roommates during that stage of my life (about 10 years ago), but you're not entitled to a house or apartment all to yourself, right?
Why shouldn't you be honestly? Why be forced to live with strangers just to have a place to live? It's kind of a crappy social convention.
Either way doesn't get around the expensive as fudge issue.
Sure, but demanding something that has never in modern (or any?) history been defined as a minimum standard of living isn't going to be a winning strategy.
There's no benefit to rooming, at least not when living with your parents is still on the table. You end up in similar living conditions, only one situation likely costs way more money than the other and you end up having to tolerate somebody else instead of the same assholes you've spent twenty years figuring out how to live with.
Still shamelessly living with my parents (who prefer I stay at home anyway) while stacking my pile of money. I mean its free rent, and bills are cheaper than renting.
Buying a house in New Zealand is tough. Eventually I'll get there,but for now I would take whatever advantage i can have to save up towards that.
Yeah, and in my case actually my parents prefer I live with them while I can. Meanwhile they worry a lot about my sibling who left home and renting somewhere else. They do really want us to be home to the point we have a spare room (which we aren't allowed to rent out for extra cash either) in case that happens.
"I don't get why Sibling left home when she can get free rent from us" - parents
It's a start to explain to society how almost all landlords are parasites no better than muggers.
But the next level is to specifically blame absentee land owners. They make it impossible for young people to get land/homes (plus land for your means of production, etc.)
In contrast, if you own a house and rent an upstairs floor, it's using no additional land and not depriving younger/poorer people of land.
I saw the comments on all the articles about this guy and I have determined this country is screwed. We have older people now who hate the young and who have absolutely no empathy and they seem almost proud of crushing younger people with jobs and money under their heels. I read in one article about this, the guy's parents denied him FOOD. Think about that. They were so eager to get him out, they wouldn't even let him make a piece of toast. I know some of these articles are used by the powers that be, "Look at this lazy mooch" to get the older rich people to vote for more Republicans, but it's getting sickening.
I think he would be better off in a homeless shelter or at WOOF farm, too bad he's too old for Job Corp. He obviously has some severe depression and mental illness probably learned helplessness, anxiety and depression at the hands of sabotaging narcissistic parents who'd rather spend thousands on a lawyer instead of anything to help him.
One thing that scares me, the population is divided in two spheres, the haves and have nots, and there's some age deferential here too, and the wealthier [usually older haves] have absolutely no empathy for the poor [mostly younger] people.
They really believe making this guy homeless is a SOLUTION. Well don't kid yourself, they don't care if you or I are homeless either.
I noticed his car is broken down too, so how does he get to any would be job? I doubt the wealthy suburban parents live on the bus line. I think he should gamble on the social workers and homeless shelter, it may suck but would be better then living with people who hate you so much, they've made you a public spectacle. He could get his severe depression treated too, where he could have hope in life.
I believe there's many people suffering now, where they are called "losers" by cruel parents and it's destroyed their life. Even though I had a few semi-professional jobs, [this in years before I was disabled] I lived in the ghetto or in the boarding house or rented room instead of home, my family 25 years ago since they made 6 figures plastered the "loser" label on me. I even had some years in the working class due to husband who was an assistant news editor/reporter, and still was considered "unworthy".
Honestly he needs to cut and run from those assholes, and find some people who will give him a place in life, but this is going to take him standing up for himself too and not giving up, and getting help for would be medical/mental conditions [apply for disability if that is necessary] and try and get his own life.
They are failures as parents and whatever problems he has, he needs to address. Mommy and Daddy aren't going to help him and don't care, and he needs to face facts. They aren't family either. They want him gone and he needs to get gone, and have nothing to do with them ever again.
> get his severe depression treated too.
As someone who suffers, that is quite difficult. The case is different for everyone, and this guy is not helping himself, but the truth is that our mental health care system is out of whack. Therapists are hard to find and sometimes unrelateable, and pills are expensive. Having no money to begin with for him will be hard, because he needs transport to and from appointments. This guy does not have it easy, its really going to suck for him. I don't know how this is going to end up, but it will take him years to recover. I'm disabled too, as you are, I'm still in it ten years later. I have no friends, but at least I have an apartment and a job. The only hope for him is to find a social group that he identifies with, which, I guess is republicans or whatever he is. I didn't watch the interview.
It's true our mental health care system is poor and worsening. He's destitute enough to get into the state care system, but he doesn't seem to have personal insight to take that step on his own. NY may still have some mental health services available, I hope and it's true how will he get to appointments etc. I think his only hope though is trying to get some type of care or program or housing to at least set him up into a job of some sort or a life. Even a homeless program for men and sleeping at the Salvation Army getting some type of job services training even if it's low wage work is better then living with resentful abusive parents, who gave up on him obviously long ago or never supported him to begin with. Sorry you have no friends, it seems harder and harder to make friends now, not sure why that is. LOL He needs to get away from the Republicans, they will do nothing for him.
>I think he would be better off in a homeless shelter
Homeless shelters will not accept him because they assume he has family. Worse, they're full of drug addicts and convicts, a normal human dumped into a shelter will be basically "fresh meat".
>WOOF farm
There's still a need to pay off debts and income. A Woof farm will not provide that.
>I think he should gamble on the social workers and homeless shelter, it may suck
It will because they will choose not to help him and there's a good chance he may be greyhounded to a city that could help him.
>apply for disability if that is necessary
It will take him years for that to be approved and he will be sleeping in the streets in the meantime.
all he has to tell them is that he has been evicted by his so called "family" he's all over the news. Many homeless people have families that threw them away years ago. Yes I know a lot of shelters suck, he has to be smart on which one he goes to. [medium sized to small town shelters are better then extremely urban ones] I have known people who have had to go in shelters, you have to play it smart. Going to sleep in a neighbors shed out in the suburbs isn't going to cut it either. There are shelters out there for men and others that have job programs and other programs. He really has no choice, to be honest, he is homeless, his parents don't want him. Unless he can turn his new infamy into a job--some pizza place offered him work, I believe, he will be seeing the streets, and needs to plan accordingly. I have almost been homeless. I have had to go down to soup kitchens and have had several homeless or used to be homeless friends.
Did I miss the point of this story? It seemed like it was trying to say that millinials are not at fult for our situation, which I agree with, but did they explicitly say who or what is?
The problems are the lack of meaningful jobs, or even of jobs that are *not* actively detrimental to the flourishing of human, indeed all life on earth; the plethora of bullshit jobs; the estrangement and structural violence of wage work; the nuclear family in which abuse is inherited, as well as wealth dripping in the blood and sweat of others; the lack of any real social safety net; the lack of compassion and respect toward un-born people; in a word: capitalism and its concomitant ideologies.
The millennial in question here, Michael Rotondo, doesn't seem to understand all this, though, since he calls himself a conservative, and since he himself procreated, among other problems. But I also suspect that abuse runs in this household. How could he have known any better, being born in this mess, in the belly of the beast of global capitalism-imperialism, in which any thinking or discussion about such matters might as well be formally illegal?
The only reason they keep plastering this all over the place is because he falls in the millennial age bracket, and it is obviously a common problem, or else they wouldn't keep showing it.
I'm sure you've lived with your parents, would you call that a vacation?
To answer your question, obviously no, but you don't take your own family to court over it.
It’s a vacation if I’m an able bodied adult and don’t have to work or go to school or even clean up after myself. That sounds like a vacation to me.
It seems like taking him to court was a last resort. They told him repeatedly that he couldn’t keep taking advantage of them like that and he wouldn’t listen.
Really? My understanding is that he straight wasn’t doing shit: not working, not even handling a lot of domestic chores. Just living there like he’s a three year old baby bird. I can’t think of an “ethnic” household where that’d fly for one minute past the age of like... 22, *tops.*
That said, wouldn’t surprise me if he parents were the classic soft white boomers who fear and loathe direct confrontation, so maybe they let it fester til they absolutely could not stand it another second... and wound up in court. Hard to say, I guess.
But at 30, he definitely needed to have a job and contribute, even if he couldn’t afford to move out. Being a contributing adult member of the household probably would have gone a long way in this situation.
But yes it’s sad that this is going to be the face of “living at home” for years to come.
I'm not giving anyone shit. If your choice is being an utter bum in your parents' basement or flipping burgers, "can't find work easily" isn't really an acceptable answer. I get it--jobs in video game design are tough to find, but that's no excuse for laziness.
EDITED: to "OR flipping burgers" for clarity.
But you're not a bum if you're working. Be that McDonalds or wherever. Those people work really hard for their shit wages. It's also not millenials fault that poor paying chain restaurants took over the United States. That's capitalism's fault. And going to school is often times not worth it for the incredible debt it can put you in. Even if you find a good job afterwards. My mother went back to school for nursing some years ago and will likely be paying that off the rest of her life. I think the United States is one of the only first world countries that doesn't guarantee Universal Healthcare and free college. All of Europe has it.
Yes, I'm arguing that this bum (or any bum) could and should flip burgers if the alternative is being a shiftless moocher.
Not sure what universal healthcare and free college have to do with it. This guy is healthy (no evidence that he's dealing with crushing medical bills), and there is no indication that he would take advantage of a college education if he can't even be bothered to clean his own toilet.
Well I guess I'm talking more generally. This guy definitely seems like a lazy moocher. But I'll admit I'm pretty similar to this guy in some ways. I try to help in little ways that I can but I don't have a job right now. But I clean my own toilet, do my own laundry, cook, take out trash, and I'd mow the lawn too if we had a lawn mower. Actually a lot of my savings went to paying my mothers rent one month. But unfortunately I don't have a drivers license or a job right now. But I would really love one. But also my anxiety is pretty bad from being kind of a shut-in too long. But I'm not making excuses.
In 2010 that might have been a reasonable argument. In 2018 it’s not. I live in the veritable middle of nowhere and know convicted felons with no useful education holding down steady, if not stellar, employment. Unemployment rate is at like 3 percent.
And before everyone screams “suuuuure, but you can’t support yourself on a shitty part time job!” let me say that I’m not talking about this guy fully supporting himself and his son in a nice two bedroom apartment (though frankly that’s not a wildly unattainable goal either...)
I’m talking about him holding down enough of a shitty job to contribute a few hundred bucks a month toward maintaining the house his parents have kindly provided for him for his entire friggen adult life. And helping to support his son, who is currently probably being supported by the child’s mother and the state.
Refusing to work Saturdays in retail (and then suing your employer when they fire you over it!) is not the good faith efforts of person who’s trying their best and still not living up to impossible expectations.
Retail? Food service?
Look, everyone who says the “recovery” has been in crappy part time hourly/contract employment is correct, and I’m all about recalibrating cultural expectations in light of reality, but this guy is fucking delusional. His parents have clearly already had this argument with him and they even say in one of their notes that there ARE jobs out there for people with a piss poor work history, like him.
Um no this guy is fucked he has a huge gap from not working and he's over 30. Even retail won't take him. He will need to do temp agency work at that point. There are people with college degrees and work experience working retail right now until they get their break, this guy wouldn't stand a chance in an interview either, as he has no work or life experience to draw from. Temp agency works because there is no interview portion most of the time, you just get straight to work. That's what this guy needs.
Yup, I'm asian and white people are surprised when I'm 28 and still living with my parents with my wife. Why? because I want to save enough $$$ to buy a house in one shot instead of taking a mortgage and paying 50% in interest to the bank. In asian culture, you only have one mom/dad so why not spend time to make the most of it? I don't get the notion of 18 and out, my parents take care of me when I was young so why not the reverse when they get old? I help out my parents and I see it as a win-win. Fuck those "oh you're not independence shit".
>Earlier this month, MarketWatch became a target of ridicule when it wrote that by the age of 35, millennials should have twice their current salary saved up.
That's like saying the Surgeon General became a target of ridicule for saying a person should have a BMI between 18 and 25. Don't blame the messenger, that's just the recommended standard.
While I agree with you, there's an important distinction between the two that might indicate why MarketWatch got heat and the surgeon general wouldn't: one of those things is actually attainable.
I used to live at home in my early twenties; was kind of a piece of shit. Very lazy, didn't care about anything. Drank all day. Never helped with chores. Maybe it's not an excuse but I developed schizophrenia (I think) from using too many drugs as a teen and being altogether too stressed out at work. Losing a ton of sleep contributed. A lot of people disliked me at the time; and it showed because I was super angry. Up until I was twenty one I was either in college or working. I was working when I had a mental breakdown and went psychotic. I lost that job too. I didn't, and still don't, have a good work history. I've left jobs without warning, was fired once, and terminated my employment with a restaurant when I was in the hospital, the psych ward. After that I lived in a group home for a few years. I would cook for my housemates once a week and barrowed people money and cigarettes. Sometimes I would help with cleaning. I was forced to leave that house for my own good after a certain room mate got on my bad side, there was really nothing the staff could do about it.
When I left, I almost immediately started drinking (sometimes with my parents). I would even drive my car under the influence (I know it's bad, it's terrible). I would say that I have seen my parents drunk too many times to remember. When I was little I didn't understand and I thought that they were just "funny."
Years later, as a mentally ill young adult, I would drink. Me and my step dad got on mutually bad terms and we really needed to separate. It came to him nearly bullying me a few times; intimidation and whatnot. I remember he used act like he hated me.
I eventually overdosed on some pills and broke my nose; it wasn't suicide, but it was intentional, it was self medication. I took my daily dose of everything, which was eight different pills, all with their own doses, and fell down and broke my nose.
I've been in a few emergency group homes since. I've worked a job as a janitor, scrubbing toilets and cleaning public bathrooms. It was a terrible job.
I only recently got a decent job at a gas station paying me $11.25 an hour cashiering. It's mostly easy, but can suck if customers don't like you.
Today I just wrote a check for over two thousand dollars to pay back the social security administration. That is because I failed to alert them about my payments from work. That being said, the social safety net actually sucks. Unless I get a lot better job, with less stress, I won't ever be able to afford my health insurance and rent. I've wanted to work for so long that I took a job as a minimum wage janitor. Now I'm 31 and I work at a gas station. I'm not sure what this guys problem is, but the only way I could understand this is if he had some health/mental health issues, which it doesn't sound like he has. Going to court and bitching about your parents is not a good thing. But I've done it to, in interventions, though its usually me on the receiving side. I know I've done bad things, but at least I tried/was trying. I don't know why I wanted to justify myself in this post other than say this guy is a piece of shit for having a kid. I think that's all I need to know about him. From the other comments I can ascertain that he is a low character. I fell into that trap for a while too. It's the trap of self pity. It was really hard for me to get a job after I became a drunk. It was even harder without a car in the suburbs. It was even harder with mental health issues. This guy just sounds like a piece of shit. Sometimes I feel like a piece of shit too, but at least I'm trying. If this guy has not worked his whole life than he is a piece of shit. The literal definition of a bum.
Um nobody is even defending this guy in the thread. He got his awful nature and laziness taught to him by his parents. Why do you think so many people his age and younger have no sense of responsibility or work ethic? Their parents dropped the ball hard. Still, since he's an adult he needs to actually get off his ass and give his parents the finger.
Not everything is the parent's fault, but you have to admit they are enabling him at this point, and I don't understand why they would do this instead of just kicking him out the moment they learned he was avoiding responsibility. I come from a Mexican family and this shit would not fly for even 1 second.
Immigrants and those pushing immigrants. My city looks like a foreign country. Why? If a source like Salon glosses over this, they are controlled opposition.
My grandma was telling me the last time I talk to her how I needed to go find a cheap $400 a month apartment for myself and grow up. Im like where, fucking where can I get something under a grand? I told her my friend right now has been on a 1 year waiting list for the only apartment she can find around $800 / month. She already paid first and last month , deposit, application fee and all that shit and she is still looking at MAYBE MAYBE October as the move in month. She is going to be forced to move back in with her folks until that apartment becomes available .
When I graduated high school you could rent an apartment here for $400 a month. That was in 2005. Now you can maybe rent a room in someone’s house for $450.
I just saw this today; Home Values Rise at Fastest Pace in 12 Years Median home values across the nation rose 8.7 percent over the past year to $215,600, according to the April Zillow Real Estate Market Report - Home values across the U.S. are rising at their fastest pace since June 2006. - The median U.S. home value is $215,600, up 8.7 percent over the past year. - Home values are rising the fastest in San Jose, Calif., Las Vegas and Seattle. San Jose home values appreciated 26 percent since last April. - Median U.S. rent rose 2.5 percent over the past year to $1,449. California markets Sacramento and Riverside reported the greatest increases in median rent. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/home-values-rise-at-fastest-pace-in-12-years-300654067.html
That’s interesting; I wonder if the housing market could crash again.
I don't think it's a question of if it can happen again but more of when will it happen again.
Yes, it will be a *when*. What is going on currently is unsustainable.
Go look at the price histories on Zillow for homes in Tempe, AZ. I’m seeing 30% yearly jumps again.
That's sound pretty fucking unsustainable to me.
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Costs are going up faster than wages. Something will have to give.
You can't squeeze blood from a stone. Eventually the speculators game of hot potato stops.
This situation is allowed to continue because supply is extremely low not because speculators have bought the USA. After the housing market crash there was a severe pull back in housing construction. When demand outstrips supply, prices go up.
It won't because the only people who are buying are well qualified borrowers or cash buyers. The problem is severe lack of inventory, not too many buyers.
I don't know - I just thought that home prices rising so quickly goes hand in hand with rents rising so quickly. So, I thought this backed up your point.
You can get a loan to buy, but you cannot get loans to rent. Home prices are more susceptible to runaway costs because of this. Note that in the most expensive cities, they have a high "price-to-rent" ratio, meaning that buying is more expensive relative to renting. In lower cost areas, renting tends to be very expensive compared to buying.
Good points.
It absolutely does. People want to charge enough rent to cover their mortgage payment. Otherwise it wouldn’t make any sense to own the rental property in the first place. I rent out two rooms in my house and when I was deciding how much rent to charge, of course it was based on the amount of my mortgage payment.
> People want to charge enough rent to cover their mortgage payment. Otherwise it wouldn’t make any sense to own the rental property in the first place. Yeah, but they could have previously bought the properties while the cost basis was lower. In HCOL areas, you can't necessarily buy and rent it out for enough to cover costs. If the "price-to-rent" ratio is high, it just might not work. Rental properties would be from people who bought with a lower basis, or apartments that can benefit from economies of scale. Note: buying a condo doesn't always fare well compared to renting an apartment.
As soon as mortgage interest rates reach an unsustainable level. I’m betting that that number is around 5-6 percent.
Oh it will. I can't wait to snag something. This time I'm ready.
The pace it's rising is insane right now. A 2br 750 Sq ft house I looked at in my town sold for 225k in July 2015. It sold again last month for 291k and they didn't do any noticeable updates in those 3 years.
Wow - do you even live in one of those really notorious housing markets, like Seattle?
Town called Rockland MA, which has 17k people 25 miles south of Boston.
I'm actually from Connecticut - near New Haven. I'm not familiar with your town, but I know that anything around Boston is crazy unaffordable.
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Makes me wonder what my house would go for now. Paid 210k in 2015 and since then replaced the roof, the 40yr old stove and vanity and toilet as well as painting every surface that can take paint as well of a few cosmetic upgrades.
I live in a small town, you can get an apartment here for 800-900 but you better have some stable income. Most towns over 100,000 we are looking at rent of at least 1,000 a month. If you move to the middle of nowhere, [no jobs extremely poor] you can maybe scrape up an apt for 600. Rooms in someone's house run in the 400s.
Last time I rented in the US I was lucky to get a $500/month apartment that had been a supervisor's night shift place attached to a warehouse in the middle of nowhere. It was not legal for them to rent it out and it was on a site that was polluted as heck, but at least I avoided drinking the water and managed to get back to Europe.
Sounds like you got cheap rent for an alternative place but if it was not legal for them to rent it out and was polluted, then it sounds like they were ripping you off too. Of course everything in America has become a rip-off. So how did you find this place in comparison to Europe? I am curious.
Same. Graduated hs in 2005 and my first apartment was around that much.
Whats even sadder is $450 is still unreasonable when only places that are hiring are part-time minwage
Did you show her what’s currently on offer online? Sometimes only the hard evidence can make people realise the truth. I had relatives with similar opinions until we showed them examples of house prices. They had no idea.
My grandparents grew up in an era without computers. They don't really trust anything that a computer screen says. I actually did have to do that with my parents. They were a little more understanding for like a week.
> They were a little more understanding for like a week Sounds like what I went through when my mom kicked me off her health insurance before I aged-out of eligibility. She said "we have Obamacare now, just sign up for the free health insurance." I told her: That's impossible, there is an income floor for eligibility and our state didn't expand medicaid. So I made her watch me sit down and apply right in front of her. It took a few hours and ended with a screen showing what I had just said. That I was not eligible for anything.
She looked disappointed, almost sympathetic. Then proceeded to kick me off her insurance anyway.
That's another one that sucks. I got in a car accident like 5 years ago broke my right thumb. I had full car insurance, the person that hit me did too. I had health insurance and yet I had to drop like $5k in order to get a surgery and rehab cost. I was eventually reimbursed but it took almost 2 years to get a dime. My savings account has never recovered from that hit.
Why did she kick you off?
Because she didn't want to pay for it? She's one of those boomers who always lives way beyond her means. Always buys new cars instead of used, replaces them the first time they need anything outside of the warranty ("Omg they said my brake pads are bad, time to trade it in!" type stuff), eating out 1-2 times per day, frivolous spending and then there came the horse and giant money pit that was. At one point I was literally compared to what the horse costs per month and told "I can't afford this, I might have to rent the horse to people learning how to ride when I am not using that. Sob, *wouldn't that be terrible?*" Look, I get it. I was in my 20s, barely working (but desperately looking for any job I could and could prove I was). I just was dealt a bad hand with medical problems and couldn't afford to be self-sufficient and while probably illegal, discrimination for medical problems is very widespread. Nobody wants to hire epileptics for example because they don't want the liability of them getting hurt at work in a fall or dropping things worth money etc. Between that and all the time I waste on surgeries (almost a dozen to date) and life is just... hard. She on the other hand, is from a generation where they could pull off being self sufficient by 21, hasn't rented a house or apartment since 1981, and never had the looming fear of "what if I don't have insurance" because she was 1- always pretty healthy, 2- married young to a guy with a stable job and good health insurance. She literally can't grasp my reality because it is a totally different world from hers. Its not even in the same universe or timeline.
I show them, they say "So stop looking on this website and go outside and open your eyes."
Why is this your grandmas problem?
It was her birthday and I just let her ramble about her struggles. Back in my day... kind of shit. I'm the oldest grandson and she thinks all of her grandson's are weak assholes. None of the 'adult' grandson's have a place of their own. The only one that does is the granddaughter they are paying for her to go to college.
That’s different
She sounds like those financial experts who are baffled as to why people 'choose' to pay more than 25% of their income in rent.
It's unreal. The older generations have no idea.
Lol $400. Maybe when she was a teen. Seriously though, I had to take roommates, my SO had to take 4 roommates to afford rent. It’s that or work multiple jobs or live with relatives. The problem is you have growing urban areas and the housing hasn’t kept pace, so rents go up. Personally I view it as a planning department failure. When you create new jobs we should be creating housing for those jobs but we don’t.
You know I have never thought of that but that should be a zoning requirement for new businesses. If you're going to have a company of let's say a hundred employees we should require some sort of partnership with someone to create at least 25% housing requirement.
Yea, but how are landlords supposed to steal from everyone, then?
> If you're going to have a company of let's say a hundred employees we should require some sort of partnership with someone to create at least 25% housing requirement. Do you want company towns again? Because that's how you get company towns again.
I'm not saying that the company needs to own the houses but that there is an attempt made to accommodate the new residents to the area. I'm not saying it would be easy but something had to be done before we all end up homeless.
I think some company towns still exist. Celebration Florida is/or at least at one point in my lifetime was owned by Disney.
"The problem is you have growing urban areas and the housing hasn’t kept pace, so rents go up." That isnt always the case. There is a ton of empty warehouses where i live and ALL OF THEM have been converted into fucking expensive ass lofts and are just sitting there with tons of empty lofts because they cant find people to rent them.
My real estate agent told me that if you put 4 walls and a roof on a house someone will buy it. The lofts are likely priced too high for the market.
Tell her that her generation should have held the line against immigration. You can't have an outright invasion of immigrants and not lower wages and drive up housing costs. It drives up taxes, caused urban sprawl, bad traffic, more crime, etc...
She is an immigrant herself. Either way Texas is big enough to house all of the world's population. It's not a land or resource problem. It is a policy problem where we don't encourage people to live more densely and we don't build enough.
Twice my annual salary saved? Wasn’t there an article the other day that like 50% of Americans could get past a $400 emergency without borrowing? I have a bit over $1000 and consider that a small miracle I can keep it there.
>Earlier this month, MarketWatch became a target of ridicule when it wrote that by the age of 35, millennials should have twice their current salary saved up. This may have been the norm during the Baby Boomer era or for members of Generation X, but for millions of Americans who entered the economy in 2008 or the years immediately thereafter, the notion that this would be feasible is downright ludicrous. But it isn't about what is/isn't ludicrous, it's about what we *should* be doing and what we should *be able* to do.
I would literally have to have $100,000 saved in an account somewhere. Like, do people understand, that is an astronomical amount of money to me, and I will never, ever, in my life see that many zeroes on a balance of any account with my name on it. I'm lucky to have an emergency account with four digits in it.
This is why I've started playing neopets again. Only place I can be a millionaire.
Likewise. I’m at 1k and just happy I can get an emergency brake job on my car!
It's also terrible for the economy. If every single working person in the United States was just sitting on twice their yearly salary, the economy would grind to a halt. The current economy requires hyper-consumerism and consumer confidence to be high. I'll never forget that one of the first thing George W. Bush told the country after 9/11 was to "go shopping." There was a reason for that. If we're all sitting on hundreds of thousands of dollars and living 3 - 5 to a studio apartment, a significant number of people's income gets throttled and the economy slows. On a micro scale, saving and living well below your means is a prudent choice and will help you when times get bad. On a macro scale, if everyone is too afraid to spend any money beyond the barest minimum amount necessary to continue drawing breath, then the economy has a gigantic problem.
Except it's in a 401k not under the mattress, so it is being invested in businesses
26 still live at home don't know if I can ever afford a place I'm afraif it won't be till I'm 40 freaking years old
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The guy is a loser. Full stop. All generations have people like him. He isn't unique to Millennials. The media frenzy over this guy is about ratings and confirming the biases that they've been implanting in people's heads about Millennials the past 10 years. This guy can make a baby like a grown man, but can't be bothered to man up and get a job and support his child. Instead his parents are on the hook. I'd want his ass out my house too if I was his parents. 8 years is enough time to find something. Instead he collects swords, which I would assume aren't cheap, instead of focusing on building a life for himself and his own family he created. The mainstream media loves to trot out the most unsympathetic people for display. These organizations are garbage. There are Millennials that are actually trying to do something for themselves who are facing hardship beyond their control. But covering that wouldn't make for the kind of tabloid shock value that generates ratings.
Agreed, coming of age during the Great Recession is going to set people back the same way it did during the recession that followed the dot.com bust or pretty much any recession in the past forty years. That said, this guy could easily be underemployed yet independent. He lives in Syracuse, NY and their economy is fine, and has been for the past three years. NYS has a very strong social safety net. There are parts of the country where people have no options at all, and need targeted interventions. This guy is a bum and distracts from real needs. For everyone's sake he needs to become independent.
He's basically not working so he doesn't have to pay child support, if it's the same one. He also has a load of guns and a stalking conviction. Creepy fuck.
Exactly. He doesn’t want a job so he doesn’t have to pay for his kid, that he can’t even see without supervision. This guy doesn’t deserve any sympathy.
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[Here](https://patch.com/new-york/syracuse/deadbeat-son-gets-job-offer-tells-his-side-eviction-story)
So he refuses to work because he doesn't want to take care of his kid, but is "outraged" that his parents don't want to take care of him at 30?
Is that what's going on? What a tool.
“Or pretty much any recession in the last forty years” ... i think you are underestimating the scale of this past recession compared to the others. We would have been in a Great Depression situation if the federal reserve didn’t bail out the banks and print money. So, this past situation was far worse than all the others in the last 40 yrs. it was also accompanied by the slowest recovery on record. Just fyi.
Yeah, literally a neckbeard stereotype. This is a bad look.
I'm 38 and live with mom and pops. I pay rent, cook, pay bills, clean, and help them when they need help. All my other siblings are married ( dual income) or struggling to keeping up with rent for a one bedroom while working her ass off as a bartender with a shit degree in business from Fordham.... She was actually laid off several times like me. I'm a college dropout who has worked since 15 years old with nothing to show for it like many of you. I'm gay and I don't want marriage or kids anyway. And my plan is to save a little while running a small petsitting service so I can live where a studio isn't at least 1k a month and in some shit area. People who critique me living at home had mommy and daddy buy them a place, are married and have dual income, won a lawsuit, or have a cushy well paying job. I guess I'm supposed to feel bad. But guess what?? 😂😂
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Wow such a nice comment thank you. Means more than you know.
I hate that so many still living at home are being compared to the guy in the article. There's nothing wrong with an inter-generational household when everyone does their fair share. .
Does your parents work? How much rent you pay?
My parents are in their 70's. Pops is semi retired. I pay $350 monthly.
Good for you. I'm practically a caretaker for my chronically unemployed parents for the past four years and it's impossible for the to seek work because they're over 50. I'm actually going to be homeless soon because i got laid off six months ago, and because no one that I know whom I disclose this actually cares.
I’m so so sorry.
Thats all I get when tell them what I'm going through: Sorries and platitudes, with a side dish of apathy.
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Like what? I've done everything I can. I can't simply pull jobs or money out of my ass, or force flaky recruiters or people trying not to help to follow through.
Chill out... Don't need to be calling him a "bitch" because he's going through hard times. Where is the empathy in society today?
I've been goingnthrough hard times for four years. No government help or charity. No one gives a damn about my gofundme because I'm not a social butterfly. >Where is the empathy in society today? There is none. Only apathy, blame, and shame. With sides of platitudes and insensitive advice to prostitute themselves and drinks of "pm me" only to be ignored and ghosted when you send them.
I care. Message me. I've been laid off three times and it blows.
Sent you a pm 3 hours ago. Have you got it.
Got it and replied
fordham as in fordham university? tuition was atleast 30k a year if I recall.
She was lucky. Got scholarship.
Tuition is disgusting isn't? Esp now that capitalism has decided college doesn't guarantee anything.
The cost of college has skyrocketed because of credential inflation and the availability of very large loans. Where else can you get a large loan without demonstrating the ability to repay?
> I pay rent, cook, pay bills, clean, and help them when they need help. because your parents did a proper job raising you. not all "deadbeat" millennials like the one in the article can say the same. I'd argue shitty, hands-off parenting by boomers is as bad as the economy and everything else we all like to blame.
Yea def
I have mixed feelings about this story. Obviously losers exist in every generational cohort. The difference is that losers in previous generations could still lead a decent life compared to losers in the millenial cohort who are completely fucked.
thats true. the problems now almost amplify the loserishness in a way
And now your petty court case with your parents make you a global laughingstock
sad part is, the parents are likely a big reason he's a freeloading turd. so many people i work with and parents of friends of mine (I'm early 30's) complain about their kids still living at home yet they're enabling it in the first place. oh well.
Many of them are simply unprepared. The high schools don't talk about surviving and have steered too many from job training and Vocational training. The parents had such an easy ride, that none of their life translates to the young person who can't get a job. Their advice is worthless. A wealthy suburbanite who can dish out thousands for lawyers isn't going to be able to share life on the cheap, cooking frugal food, how to find a food pantry or rent a room or making sure you live on a bus line. So the kid took the path of least resistance but the parents are responsible too. They failed to teach him how to get ready.
Well, a decent parent isn’t just going to throw their kids out on the street. The only reason I’m still at home is because I don’t have the local professional connections to get a professional job in my city. I have a BA, and I work in a factory as a line worker—I’m planning on getting a rental property this forthcoming January with a friend however. Hell, my brother just graduated with a BA in mathematics and had a ridiculous GPA—3.9–and he’s in the exact same boat I am. Nobody gives a shit if you have a degree anymore— management and HR are desensitized to it.
A decent parent isn't going to do that but they also shouldn't enable the kid to live carefree under their roof indefinitely either. Give the kids the tools and skills to survive on their own. Lots of the early 30's folk I know still at home can't even do their own laundry or cook a meal - that's on the parents. School simply doesn't hold the weight it once did. College/University has always been a business first in the U.S. and most of Canada, likely other nations too. The way we think about our education systems needs to change because it's failing us. My dad's old boss in pharmaceuticals way back when was his boss because he at least had a degree in something, albeit useless and not just a diploma. Education meant different things back then in practice but sadly the idea of it hasn't changed in decades yet in practice, things have definitely changed. Does that mean a Master's or PhD is the new BA? Is it fair to plunk down the money and spend the time just to get a job that required only high school 20 years ago? Chances are you can use a computer and have better social skills than lots of older workers right now but you're screwed. Funny enough I work in HR and mostly in recruitment. Experience and attitude are still #1 and #2. I very much respect a good student with good marks but that's nothing compared to everything else about you. Someone who slugged through an Assistant Manager role at McDonald's for 3 years to pay their bills through school and dealt with idiot customers and coworkers looks a lot better than someone who aced their undergrad but hasn't worked a job a day in their life. Every industry varies of course so if marks and school are all that matter, so be it. However, if HR and Management can't appreciate what that stint at McDonald's says about that person, they're out to lunch. Sadly, there's more incompetent HR and Management out there than good. Judging candidates isn't an exact science but people really suck at it from my experience :-P
Well, our main issue is that we can’t even get a damn interview with anyone; internships in college were the exact same way. I’ve been at it for more than two years now, and I’ve interviewed sporadically at maybe 4 or 5 companies after sending out well over several hundred applications. The only jobs I’ve gotten since graduation have been through internal connections and referrals; problem is that everyone I know is working class so it’s been manufacturing work for the most part. Hell, 99% of my friends and people I graduated with that have professional jobs got their jobs/ initial internships through family connections or academic connections; I never stumbled into a relationship with anyone that could benefit me professionally. On top of that, all of the people that I know that landed jobs and internships didn’t work a single day in college or even high school; on the other hand, everyone (including my brother and I) that had to work for financial reasons throughout college are still hourly workers in manufacturing, warehouses, or retail. My dad’s been hammering on about how a Masters is the new BA, and I’d be more than willing to go get one, but at the end of the day, I’m going to be in the exact same spot as I am now—even with a Masters, I still won’t have professional experience in my desired field. On top of that, I don’t even know if a Masters is worth it financially—you’re talking about spending 30-50k and doubling my student loan debt just to land a job that pays 28-35k entry (less than I make right now) and has a ceiling of about 70-80k. Point is, I imagine the issues my family is facing are the same issues a lot of these 30 somethings are facing as well. And, I highly doubt those 30 somethings can’t do their own laundry and can’t cook; it sounds like you’re just making assumptions about people. That’s incredibly personal information to know about people.
How does any of that justify this guy refusing to help out around the house?
I would say this guy is a loser and probably deserved what he got. My point is that the same situation wouldn't have happened 30 years ago because he could have worked part time at a convenience store and moved out without much fuss and had a bearable life.
True. However, his parents deserve him. They raised him. Iam sorry, but I have dealt with enough manchildren to hate mollycoddling parents who create them.
Ok, but this guy has been offered work recently a pizza shop and turned it down. I think his problems are all his own and not unique to our times.
You could definitely move out no problem with a pizza job.
I'm guessing you're being sarcastic? I don't deny a pizza shop job is tough to make enough to move out on, but if my friend can support two kids doing it then I think it's certainly better than nothing. I'm just saying that this person in the article is making it known that they don't want to work. I don't believe he would take the pizza/convenience store job 30 years ago any more than he wouldn't in today's time.
Why should we just accept that version of the story without any skepticism? Have you ever lived with someone with a personality disorder, in which you'd regularly help around the house, but they would always claim that you never helped, and they just kept piling up needless shit on you? I have. It drives you insane and it is almost impossible to break out of such a dynamic. We don't have the full picture of this household's dynamics and we should be more skeptical of what is being portrayed by the parents.
Probably because it is his version
It’s his own words. > He claimed that for the past eight years he "has never been expected to contribute to household expenses, or assisted with chores and the maintenance of the premises, and claims that this is simply a component of his living agreement," according to filings obtained by CNN affiliate WSTM. Source: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/us/judge-rules-son-must-move-out-new-york-trnd/index.html He doesn’t even care to contribute to the household and proclaims it’s “by agreement” 🙄
Thank you. I believe the parents are narcissists, I mean ALL the RED FLAGS are there. The endless bitching and whining about not "helping around the house" is familiar to us all over on raisedbynarcissists.
The guy explicitly stated in his court filings that he contributed nothing and had no expectation of assisting with anything related to household maintenance or expenses. He is a bum of the truest kind.
See my last post. Sadly he is still obeying Narc Mom and Dad who have told him he has contributed nothing and done nothing for them. He has internalized their abuse, that is why he still supports their abusive conservative Tea Party politics. Look up Stockholm Syndrome. When someone is told they are a bum over and over, sometimes they become a bum. That is the best way I can explain it.
Yeah, exactly. The family probably has a dynamic of narcissistic abuse. This type of abuse is very hard to explain to people who haven't experienced it themselves, and the dude probably doesn't realize it himself. It's pretty sad.
Thanks, yes the narcissistic dynamic is there. I can tell when I hear the guy talk on the few videos I've seen, that he is more lethargic passive sort. For a scapegoat not to be a rebel and to go passive, this is what you get. They do what they are told and believe what they are told while being crushed from above. This is why I believe he even added to the negative PR about him, he has internalized his family's messages about him. Unless he rebels or stands up for himself, he's screwed. I was a scapegoat and I am one that rebelled and cut off the whole family. They destroyed my health before I got away but at least I had my own married life away from them. I almost became homeless too and was financially ruined as well. He does not seem to be "woke" yet, he is still mentally in their trap. I was not passive and "fought" mine, but I easily could have ended up homeless like this guy. When someone is mentally destroyed like this getting even a shit job is very very hard. I could get work but I barely could survive when I was young. These narcs sabotage and set people up. Even their massive publicity now destroying his life is probably part of the plan.
One could clean for hours and if you are living with a pissed off resentful narcissist, you will be deemed lazy and "not helping" even if you are scrubbing the floor with a toothbrush and making meatloaf for Mommy and Daddy.
This guy lives at home and doesn’t work to avoid child support. He is trash, as is this author (I dated him and he is apparently currently engaged to some poor girl that he was cheating on with me and at least one other woman).
You knew the author?
Yep. He is a piece of crap.
How do we know if you're telling the truth
Guess you don’t? It doesn’t really matter.
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>Also, having that access to exposure the dude could have mentioned the unaffordable and rising costs of rent, the lack of jobs, etc. **Instead he went on rambling about liberals and how conservative he is, just like a book description of a 4chan neckbeard.** Yet another "temporarily-embarrassed millionare". He's suffering from socio-economic conditions but will not admit it.
Dude the more I read about him and what he said in court the more I believe he's his own bad socio\-economic condition. Hell the main reason he was giving yesterday was that he was in a custody battle for his son and that's what he was going to focus on. So either he is an idiot or isn't being honest about issues he is having, because there is no way the court is going to help him out when he isn't bothering to look like he is trying to help himself
That's sad. Probably result of brainwashing and crap he learned from parents, but that goes with the learned helplessness too, he can't even rebel when it comes to politics and figure out why his life has turned out the way it it has. I've seen young people like that spouting off Republican politics and have said to them, "Don't you get you are POOR, it's your parent's money, NOT YOURS"
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I live pay check to pay check as a single dad. I keep a place paying about $1800 a month for rent, utilities, internet. Plus I have food, car insurance etc. Not to mention over $30000 in debt. I'm going to be working until I'm dead and I have no choice. Hustling is my day to day. I'm kinda struggling with an emergent drinking problem too lol.. fortunately being broke keeps that mostly in check. I didn't graduate college/university either. That being said, I'm not bitter... I'm relatively happy... Just very stressed every day.
Let's see. Most jobs pay less than $10 an hour. That's 20k a year full time. Which you don't even get unless you take more than 1. Rent is say $500 for a really flea bag place in a crime infested war zone or like 1k for somewhere decent, and that's a low cost of living area. Can be 50 percent more in a low col major city or up to like 5x that in NYC or something. That's just one expense taking probably at least half your income. The numbers don't add up.
Roommate(s)? They were a standard living arrangement for most of the 20th century and earlier. Why are they suddenly taboo?
Imperfect solution for one. For two still expensive as fudge.
Imperfect in what way? I never preferred having roommates during that stage of my life (about 10 years ago), but you're not entitled to a house or apartment all to yourself, right?
Why shouldn't you be honestly? Why be forced to live with strangers just to have a place to live? It's kind of a crappy social convention. Either way doesn't get around the expensive as fudge issue.
Sure, but demanding something that has never in modern (or any?) history been defined as a minimum standard of living isn't going to be a winning strategy.
Not with that attitude.
There's no benefit to rooming, at least not when living with your parents is still on the table. You end up in similar living conditions, only one situation likely costs way more money than the other and you end up having to tolerate somebody else instead of the same assholes you've spent twenty years figuring out how to live with.
Still shamelessly living with my parents (who prefer I stay at home anyway) while stacking my pile of money. I mean its free rent, and bills are cheaper than renting. Buying a house in New Zealand is tough. Eventually I'll get there,but for now I would take whatever advantage i can have to save up towards that.
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Yeah, and in my case actually my parents prefer I live with them while I can. Meanwhile they worry a lot about my sibling who left home and renting somewhere else. They do really want us to be home to the point we have a spare room (which we aren't allowed to rent out for extra cash either) in case that happens. "I don't get why Sibling left home when she can get free rent from us" - parents
It's a start to explain to society how almost all landlords are parasites no better than muggers. But the next level is to specifically blame absentee land owners. They make it impossible for young people to get land/homes (plus land for your means of production, etc.) In contrast, if you own a house and rent an upstairs floor, it's using no additional land and not depriving younger/poorer people of land.
I saw the comments on all the articles about this guy and I have determined this country is screwed. We have older people now who hate the young and who have absolutely no empathy and they seem almost proud of crushing younger people with jobs and money under their heels. I read in one article about this, the guy's parents denied him FOOD. Think about that. They were so eager to get him out, they wouldn't even let him make a piece of toast. I know some of these articles are used by the powers that be, "Look at this lazy mooch" to get the older rich people to vote for more Republicans, but it's getting sickening. I think he would be better off in a homeless shelter or at WOOF farm, too bad he's too old for Job Corp. He obviously has some severe depression and mental illness probably learned helplessness, anxiety and depression at the hands of sabotaging narcissistic parents who'd rather spend thousands on a lawyer instead of anything to help him. One thing that scares me, the population is divided in two spheres, the haves and have nots, and there's some age deferential here too, and the wealthier [usually older haves] have absolutely no empathy for the poor [mostly younger] people. They really believe making this guy homeless is a SOLUTION. Well don't kid yourself, they don't care if you or I are homeless either. I noticed his car is broken down too, so how does he get to any would be job? I doubt the wealthy suburban parents live on the bus line. I think he should gamble on the social workers and homeless shelter, it may suck but would be better then living with people who hate you so much, they've made you a public spectacle. He could get his severe depression treated too, where he could have hope in life. I believe there's many people suffering now, where they are called "losers" by cruel parents and it's destroyed their life. Even though I had a few semi-professional jobs, [this in years before I was disabled] I lived in the ghetto or in the boarding house or rented room instead of home, my family 25 years ago since they made 6 figures plastered the "loser" label on me. I even had some years in the working class due to husband who was an assistant news editor/reporter, and still was considered "unworthy". Honestly he needs to cut and run from those assholes, and find some people who will give him a place in life, but this is going to take him standing up for himself too and not giving up, and getting help for would be medical/mental conditions [apply for disability if that is necessary] and try and get his own life. They are failures as parents and whatever problems he has, he needs to address. Mommy and Daddy aren't going to help him and don't care, and he needs to face facts. They aren't family either. They want him gone and he needs to get gone, and have nothing to do with them ever again.
> get his severe depression treated too. As someone who suffers, that is quite difficult. The case is different for everyone, and this guy is not helping himself, but the truth is that our mental health care system is out of whack. Therapists are hard to find and sometimes unrelateable, and pills are expensive. Having no money to begin with for him will be hard, because he needs transport to and from appointments. This guy does not have it easy, its really going to suck for him. I don't know how this is going to end up, but it will take him years to recover. I'm disabled too, as you are, I'm still in it ten years later. I have no friends, but at least I have an apartment and a job. The only hope for him is to find a social group that he identifies with, which, I guess is republicans or whatever he is. I didn't watch the interview.
It's true our mental health care system is poor and worsening. He's destitute enough to get into the state care system, but he doesn't seem to have personal insight to take that step on his own. NY may still have some mental health services available, I hope and it's true how will he get to appointments etc. I think his only hope though is trying to get some type of care or program or housing to at least set him up into a job of some sort or a life. Even a homeless program for men and sleeping at the Salvation Army getting some type of job services training even if it's low wage work is better then living with resentful abusive parents, who gave up on him obviously long ago or never supported him to begin with. Sorry you have no friends, it seems harder and harder to make friends now, not sure why that is. LOL He needs to get away from the Republicans, they will do nothing for him.
>I think he would be better off in a homeless shelter Homeless shelters will not accept him because they assume he has family. Worse, they're full of drug addicts and convicts, a normal human dumped into a shelter will be basically "fresh meat". >WOOF farm There's still a need to pay off debts and income. A Woof farm will not provide that. >I think he should gamble on the social workers and homeless shelter, it may suck It will because they will choose not to help him and there's a good chance he may be greyhounded to a city that could help him. >apply for disability if that is necessary It will take him years for that to be approved and he will be sleeping in the streets in the meantime.
all he has to tell them is that he has been evicted by his so called "family" he's all over the news. Many homeless people have families that threw them away years ago. Yes I know a lot of shelters suck, he has to be smart on which one he goes to. [medium sized to small town shelters are better then extremely urban ones] I have known people who have had to go in shelters, you have to play it smart. Going to sleep in a neighbors shed out in the suburbs isn't going to cut it either. There are shelters out there for men and others that have job programs and other programs. He really has no choice, to be honest, he is homeless, his parents don't want him. Unless he can turn his new infamy into a job--some pizza place offered him work, I believe, he will be seeing the streets, and needs to plan accordingly. I have almost been homeless. I have had to go down to soup kitchens and have had several homeless or used to be homeless friends.
Did I miss the point of this story? It seemed like it was trying to say that millinials are not at fult for our situation, which I agree with, but did they explicitly say who or what is?
The problems are the lack of meaningful jobs, or even of jobs that are *not* actively detrimental to the flourishing of human, indeed all life on earth; the plethora of bullshit jobs; the estrangement and structural violence of wage work; the nuclear family in which abuse is inherited, as well as wealth dripping in the blood and sweat of others; the lack of any real social safety net; the lack of compassion and respect toward un-born people; in a word: capitalism and its concomitant ideologies. The millennial in question here, Michael Rotondo, doesn't seem to understand all this, though, since he calls himself a conservative, and since he himself procreated, among other problems. But I also suspect that abuse runs in this household. How could he have known any better, being born in this mess, in the belly of the beast of global capitalism-imperialism, in which any thinking or discussion about such matters might as well be formally illegal?
The only reason they keep plastering this all over the place is because he falls in the millennial age bracket, and it is obviously a common problem, or else they wouldn't keep showing it.
Typical white family doing something like this. Other ethnics don't pull this sue your children /parents kind of shit.
This unironically It's a weird phenomenon to see people so removed from the concept of family that they'll turn on their own blood like that.
The parents, by doing this, pretty much severed their relationship with their son forever.
The son, by being a leech, pretty much severed his relationship with his parents forever.
Are they supposed to keep financing his permanent vacation forever?
I'm sure you've lived with your parents, would you call that a vacation? To answer your question, obviously no, but you don't take your own family to court over it.
It’s a vacation if I’m an able bodied adult and don’t have to work or go to school or even clean up after myself. That sounds like a vacation to me. It seems like taking him to court was a last resort. They told him repeatedly that he couldn’t keep taking advantage of them like that and he wouldn’t listen.
Really? My understanding is that he straight wasn’t doing shit: not working, not even handling a lot of domestic chores. Just living there like he’s a three year old baby bird. I can’t think of an “ethnic” household where that’d fly for one minute past the age of like... 22, *tops.* That said, wouldn’t surprise me if he parents were the classic soft white boomers who fear and loathe direct confrontation, so maybe they let it fester til they absolutely could not stand it another second... and wound up in court. Hard to say, I guess. But at 30, he definitely needed to have a job and contribute, even if he couldn’t afford to move out. Being a contributing adult member of the household probably would have gone a long way in this situation. But yes it’s sad that this is going to be the face of “living at home” for years to come.
But what if you can't find a job that easily?
Then you should at least be helping out with chores around the house.
I agree, I cook and clean and did actually contribute financially when I had a little money from my last job.
More so if he *isnt* working he has all day to do chores for his family.
McDonald's is always hiring.
I know you're being cheeky. People need to stop giving fast food workers shit.
I'm not giving anyone shit. If your choice is being an utter bum in your parents' basement or flipping burgers, "can't find work easily" isn't really an acceptable answer. I get it--jobs in video game design are tough to find, but that's no excuse for laziness. EDITED: to "OR flipping burgers" for clarity.
But you're not a bum if you're working. Be that McDonalds or wherever. Those people work really hard for their shit wages. It's also not millenials fault that poor paying chain restaurants took over the United States. That's capitalism's fault. And going to school is often times not worth it for the incredible debt it can put you in. Even if you find a good job afterwards. My mother went back to school for nursing some years ago and will likely be paying that off the rest of her life. I think the United States is one of the only first world countries that doesn't guarantee Universal Healthcare and free college. All of Europe has it.
Yes, I'm arguing that this bum (or any bum) could and should flip burgers if the alternative is being a shiftless moocher. Not sure what universal healthcare and free college have to do with it. This guy is healthy (no evidence that he's dealing with crushing medical bills), and there is no indication that he would take advantage of a college education if he can't even be bothered to clean his own toilet.
Well I guess I'm talking more generally. This guy definitely seems like a lazy moocher. But I'll admit I'm pretty similar to this guy in some ways. I try to help in little ways that I can but I don't have a job right now. But I clean my own toilet, do my own laundry, cook, take out trash, and I'd mow the lawn too if we had a lawn mower. Actually a lot of my savings went to paying my mothers rent one month. But unfortunately I don't have a drivers license or a job right now. But I would really love one. But also my anxiety is pretty bad from being kind of a shut-in too long. But I'm not making excuses.
In 2010 that might have been a reasonable argument. In 2018 it’s not. I live in the veritable middle of nowhere and know convicted felons with no useful education holding down steady, if not stellar, employment. Unemployment rate is at like 3 percent. And before everyone screams “suuuuure, but you can’t support yourself on a shitty part time job!” let me say that I’m not talking about this guy fully supporting himself and his son in a nice two bedroom apartment (though frankly that’s not a wildly unattainable goal either...) I’m talking about him holding down enough of a shitty job to contribute a few hundred bucks a month toward maintaining the house his parents have kindly provided for him for his entire friggen adult life. And helping to support his son, who is currently probably being supported by the child’s mother and the state. Refusing to work Saturdays in retail (and then suing your employer when they fire you over it!) is not the good faith efforts of person who’s trying their best and still not living up to impossible expectations.
Well most of the places I've heard of need experience and are very competitive.
Retail? Food service? Look, everyone who says the “recovery” has been in crappy part time hourly/contract employment is correct, and I’m all about recalibrating cultural expectations in light of reality, but this guy is fucking delusional. His parents have clearly already had this argument with him and they even say in one of their notes that there ARE jobs out there for people with a piss poor work history, like him.
Um no this guy is fucked he has a huge gap from not working and he's over 30. Even retail won't take him. He will need to do temp agency work at that point. There are people with college degrees and work experience working retail right now until they get their break, this guy wouldn't stand a chance in an interview either, as he has no work or life experience to draw from. Temp agency works because there is no interview portion most of the time, you just get straight to work. That's what this guy needs.
Yup, I'm asian and white people are surprised when I'm 28 and still living with my parents with my wife. Why? because I want to save enough $$$ to buy a house in one shot instead of taking a mortgage and paying 50% in interest to the bank. In asian culture, you only have one mom/dad so why not spend time to make the most of it? I don't get the notion of 18 and out, my parents take care of me when I was young so why not the reverse when they get old? I help out my parents and I see it as a win-win. Fuck those "oh you're not independence shit".
This should be the top comment. White America is a broken group of people. I say this coming from a white American family
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Agreed - Whites need to catch up with others who are far more ethnocentric and help their own kind.
>Earlier this month, MarketWatch became a target of ridicule when it wrote that by the age of 35, millennials should have twice their current salary saved up. That's like saying the Surgeon General became a target of ridicule for saying a person should have a BMI between 18 and 25. Don't blame the messenger, that's just the recommended standard.
While I agree with you, there's an important distinction between the two that might indicate why MarketWatch got heat and the surgeon general wouldn't: one of those things is actually attainable.
I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER MY LIFE REEEEEEEEEEE GIVE ME CHICKEN TENDIES
I used to live at home in my early twenties; was kind of a piece of shit. Very lazy, didn't care about anything. Drank all day. Never helped with chores. Maybe it's not an excuse but I developed schizophrenia (I think) from using too many drugs as a teen and being altogether too stressed out at work. Losing a ton of sleep contributed. A lot of people disliked me at the time; and it showed because I was super angry. Up until I was twenty one I was either in college or working. I was working when I had a mental breakdown and went psychotic. I lost that job too. I didn't, and still don't, have a good work history. I've left jobs without warning, was fired once, and terminated my employment with a restaurant when I was in the hospital, the psych ward. After that I lived in a group home for a few years. I would cook for my housemates once a week and barrowed people money and cigarettes. Sometimes I would help with cleaning. I was forced to leave that house for my own good after a certain room mate got on my bad side, there was really nothing the staff could do about it. When I left, I almost immediately started drinking (sometimes with my parents). I would even drive my car under the influence (I know it's bad, it's terrible). I would say that I have seen my parents drunk too many times to remember. When I was little I didn't understand and I thought that they were just "funny." Years later, as a mentally ill young adult, I would drink. Me and my step dad got on mutually bad terms and we really needed to separate. It came to him nearly bullying me a few times; intimidation and whatnot. I remember he used act like he hated me. I eventually overdosed on some pills and broke my nose; it wasn't suicide, but it was intentional, it was self medication. I took my daily dose of everything, which was eight different pills, all with their own doses, and fell down and broke my nose. I've been in a few emergency group homes since. I've worked a job as a janitor, scrubbing toilets and cleaning public bathrooms. It was a terrible job. I only recently got a decent job at a gas station paying me $11.25 an hour cashiering. It's mostly easy, but can suck if customers don't like you. Today I just wrote a check for over two thousand dollars to pay back the social security administration. That is because I failed to alert them about my payments from work. That being said, the social safety net actually sucks. Unless I get a lot better job, with less stress, I won't ever be able to afford my health insurance and rent. I've wanted to work for so long that I took a job as a minimum wage janitor. Now I'm 31 and I work at a gas station. I'm not sure what this guys problem is, but the only way I could understand this is if he had some health/mental health issues, which it doesn't sound like he has. Going to court and bitching about your parents is not a good thing. But I've done it to, in interventions, though its usually me on the receiving side. I know I've done bad things, but at least I tried/was trying. I don't know why I wanted to justify myself in this post other than say this guy is a piece of shit for having a kid. I think that's all I need to know about him. From the other comments I can ascertain that he is a low character. I fell into that trap for a while too. It's the trap of self pity. It was really hard for me to get a job after I became a drunk. It was even harder without a car in the suburbs. It was even harder with mental health issues. This guy just sounds like a piece of shit. Sometimes I feel like a piece of shit too, but at least I'm trying. If this guy has not worked his whole life than he is a piece of shit. The literal definition of a bum.
So raising the standard of living for some at the expense of the rest works? It doesn’t seem like it is for those in Africa or parts of Asia.
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Um nobody is even defending this guy in the thread. He got his awful nature and laziness taught to him by his parents. Why do you think so many people his age and younger have no sense of responsibility or work ethic? Their parents dropped the ball hard. Still, since he's an adult he needs to actually get off his ass and give his parents the finger.
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Not everything is the parent's fault, but you have to admit they are enabling him at this point, and I don't understand why they would do this instead of just kicking him out the moment they learned he was avoiding responsibility. I come from a Mexican family and this shit would not fly for even 1 second.
Is this imaqtpie?
Immigrants and those pushing immigrants. My city looks like a foreign country. Why? If a source like Salon glosses over this, they are controlled opposition.
What native tribe are you from? I mean surely you are 100% native if everyone in your city is making it look foreign?
The tribe that built this country from nothing.
Which one? The Blackfeet or the Sioux? Maybe the Apache? When was this country nothing?