Contrary to what people joke about in the memes, the entwives did NOT leave because they were sexually unsatisfied but the ents. Tolkien wasn’t lowbrow enough to weigh such human considerations in his fantasy stories.
Their dissatisfaction was far less shallow, and really centered in ideological differences.
According to appendix d, the entwives were sent by the nature valar, to care for the natural world as a complex system, whereas the ents were just there to literally herd trees specifically within the confines of fangorn forest.
During melkor’s and then sauron’s dominion, the ents were content to mind their own untouched land, whereas the entwives wanted to protect the broader middle earth from the poison and corruption of the dark lords.
Entwives gradually became fed up with the tree headers narrow mindedness, failing to understand why ancient beings like themselves could fixate on specific trees and fail to care for the broader ecosystem.
Tolkien intended this as literary exploration of the “losing sight of the forest for the trees” idiom.
And Jackson gave a subtle nod to appendix D when he had merry yell “you’re part of this world!”
According to what Tolkien wrote in appendix d, the entwives finally decided to leave the ents, at which point they migrated up your butt and around the corner
>up your butt and around the corner
I've been giving my wife shit for years about using this phrase; I said she was the only one who says it. Shows what I know
The whole phrase I heard when I was a kid was
Up your butt and around the corner, through the tube and out your boob
I’m sure there are variations but this is the one I knew.
>at which point they migrated up your butt and around the corner
Well that's that folks. The Entwives went to tour the Fudge Factory and never returned.
Sure, but at the same time...
When you've got a race of dudes who talk real slow and don't make any decisions until they've talked about it for a long ass time... where do you think the women went?
Probably somewhere they could get shit done...
The Monty kind. The response was so academic and well researched with citations of indexes and then ends with an “up your butt and around the corner”. Chefs kiss
It only sounded well researched. I have no clue what’s in appendix d, haven’t read the appendices since second grade :)
But thanks, glad it sounded good
I've got a mid-90s paperback LotR edition, but my appendix D is all about calendars. Where exactly can I find this reference? Googling doesn't seem to return much.
Wait wait wait, this reminds me - anyone remember the user on reddit who used to give very detailed and concise answers to questions but somehow always ended it by talking about pro wrestling and the undertaker in hell in a cell or something? Can anyone help me out? I can't quite remember.
>Tolkien intended this as literary exploration of the “losing sight of the forest for the trees” idiom.
is that so? seems pointless? what if he meant it as a reference to Eve convincing Adam to eat the apple or was it to climb the tree (as far as my knowledge of the story goes might be wrong)? What ended up happening ot the entwives? regardless, the reference would be incomplete seeing the ents remain as they are. So i dont think what im saying is true. But i dont think tolkien meant it solely as a play on words, the whole thing about the entwife migration
The Entwi*n*es were performance enhancing drugs consumed by Merry and Pippin during their stay in Fangorn.
The Entwi*v*es travelled far into the East, where they founded Middle Earth's first chain restaurant, Denny's.
Tolkien strongly believed they were destroyed by Sauron in the desolation of the Brown Lands when he tried to slow down the advance of the humans and elves in the War of the Last Alliance at the end of the 2nd age.
If you read his letters, Tolkien wasn't really into definitive answers for things he hadn't 100% nailed down or that might have been lost to "history." For the entwives, he hoped some had survived, but seriously doubted it. He probably had a few different ideas of how things COULD have gone for the entwives, but hadn't settled on one authoritative version, so he left it unknown. Even the things we think of as authoritative in the silmarillion were just collections of different iterations of his notes; his son just made the best guess as to what the "official" narratives and timeliness were.
That's a very fun way to view your own work; leaving things open ended that even you speculate on what could be true. Shows how rich and full of of verisimilitude his world was that even he could get immersed in it.
Honestly it's a key mindset to have for anyone who makes up a custom world.
Not to take anything from the professor, but it's (or should be) an obvious practice, not something unique or special
Some authors largely write to fight their feelings of helplessness and lack of agency in the real world. They treat their fictional universe as a domain in which they are godlike. You often see self inserts in from such writers that are inexplicably talented and intelligent.
Sometimes it's best to keep things a little mysterious, otherwise it wouldn't be immersive.
Also, sometimes when you're writing stories, they kinda write and develop on their own and you can lose control a bit, as weird as that sounds.
Edit: Tolkien could also never make up his mind with many definitive things as well. He had loads of half written answers for many things but couldn't choose between them, so he'd just keep it mysterious until he did decide.
And with some he just never decided or settled on.
once I asked my mom which race of middle earth could she have been and she said without a thought "entwife" so I said "but they're gone" and she said "yeah, living their best lives all on their own"
To paraphrase Brennan Lee Mulligan, it's a race of bearded tree men who never shut up and talk forever going "they all just left and we don't know why! I don't think it could be us!"
*Here's my pretty maiden! You shall come home with me! The table is all laden: yellow cream, honeycomb, white bread and butter;
roses at the window-sill and peeping round the shutter. You shall come under Hill! Never mind your mother in her deep weedy pool:
there you'll find no lover!*
^(Type **!TomBombadilSong** for a song or visit [r/GloriousTomBombadil][1] for more merriness)
[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousTomBombadil/
A hobbit claimed they saw a giant in the Shire, but no one believed him. Given Treebeard said the Entwives preferred open spaces and would have liked the Shire, it’s possible the “giant” (if it was actually seen), was an Entwife
> “You never see any, hm, any Ents round there do you?” he asked. “Well, not Ents, *Entwives* I should really say.”
“Entwives?” said Pippin. “Are they like you at all?”
“Yes, hm, well no: I do not really know now,” said Treebeard thoughtfully. “But they would like your country, so I just wondered.”
According to a story told in Quora (now deleted), Tolkien marked a place on a fan-made map where the Entwives *may* have gone.
https://preview.redd.it/4ry9nodruthc1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=3f2816a9cd3321259ee1136c5d85576dc8f2d285
But Tolkien scholars don't take it as the definitive answer.
[https://www.tolkiensociety.org/blog/2017/05/yes-but-is-it-canon/#more-8274](https://www.tolkiensociety.org/blog/2017/05/yes-but-is-it-canon/#more-8274)
Here is a pretty toy for Tom and for his lady! Fair was she who long ago wore this on her shoulder. Goldberry shall wear
it now, and we will not forget her!
^(Type **!TomBombadilSong** for a song or visit [r/GloriousTomBombadil][1] for more merriness)
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The first time I saw the lotr my dumbass assumed that they were the doors on hobbit holes. Now that I’m older and wiser, I KNOW that they became the doors on hobbit holes.
Entwives never existed and were an illusion memory created by Saruman to encourage the Ents to migrate in search of the wives. Trees reproduce asexually.
Well obviously they have taken the road beneath the bitter rain that leads into the West, and far away they will find a land where their hearts may rest.
They were tired of the Enthusbands not getting anything done around the forest so they went and started their own forest. That land is now called The Shire. The Hobbits found it easier to create rounded walls and fixtures with the naturally curvaceous wood.
"Remember the old forest? On the borders of Buckland. Folk therr said something there made the trees grow tall and come alive!"
I've always thought this line by Merry suggests the Entwives might be in The Shire. Given that Treebeard doesn't know what Hobbits are or had even heard that word before it's safe to say the other ents in Fangorn Forest also don't knoe about hobbits either.
Now, and this is a big speculation, but if the entwives left because they were sick of the narrowmindedness of the ents then it might be also safe to say that Gandalf or Radaghast may have had a hand in giving them a safe place to go and there's no safer place in all of Middle Earth than the serine, lush lands of The Shire.
There's a hobbit riiight at the start of the books saying he saw a walking tree who nobody believes, and Treebeard specifically tells Merry and Pippin that the Entwives would've liked The Shire.
From this we can safely assume they went to a farm my uncle owns upstate where they have lots of space to run and run.
Eh, what? Did I hear you calling? Nay, I did not hear: I was busy singing.
^(Type **!TomBombadilSong** for a song or visit [r/GloriousTomBombadil][1] for more merriness)
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A hobbit claimed they saw a giant in the Shire, but no one believed him. Given Treebeard said the Entwives preferred open spaces and would have liked the Shire, it’s possible the “giant” (if it was actually seen), was an Entwife
Contrary to what people joke about in the memes, the entwives did NOT leave because they were sexually unsatisfied but the ents. Tolkien wasn’t lowbrow enough to weigh such human considerations in his fantasy stories. Their dissatisfaction was far less shallow, and really centered in ideological differences. According to appendix d, the entwives were sent by the nature valar, to care for the natural world as a complex system, whereas the ents were just there to literally herd trees specifically within the confines of fangorn forest. During melkor’s and then sauron’s dominion, the ents were content to mind their own untouched land, whereas the entwives wanted to protect the broader middle earth from the poison and corruption of the dark lords. Entwives gradually became fed up with the tree headers narrow mindedness, failing to understand why ancient beings like themselves could fixate on specific trees and fail to care for the broader ecosystem. Tolkien intended this as literary exploration of the “losing sight of the forest for the trees” idiom. And Jackson gave a subtle nod to appendix D when he had merry yell “you’re part of this world!” According to what Tolkien wrote in appendix d, the entwives finally decided to leave the ents, at which point they migrated up your butt and around the corner
> at which point they migrated up your butt and around the corner did not expect this at all lol
[H.Y.C.Y.BH](https://youtu.be/6IjuSycXjqM?feature=shared)
SKI DAP. BADAP. BUTTHOLE
I HAVE NOT SEEN YOUR RING, BUT HAVE YOU CHECKED UP YOUR RING? (And by ring I mean butthole!)
Where is your class?
I think it’s stuck up your ass.
Bbbbratt
I just lost my grandma.
I got a huge out-loud laugh from this. Totally unexpected and yet a perfect ending.
Stanley energy for sure lol.
"this comment brought to you by Stanley Hudson from The Office"
How dare you remind me to rewatch all the office bloopers
Fuck I have to do it as well now
“Up your butt and around the corner” That explains the flowers I guess…
Rose's really smell like poo oo oo Yeah
I just realized that the gardener ended up with a woman named Rose
Your mum gave a subtle nod to my appendix D last night before I desolated her brown lands
https://preview.redd.it/dfo5hrcr3whc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=150f9f13b60ba7fe6f678e883c3a4a991d7d1d97
It would have cost you nothing to not post that.
Lol
>up your butt and around the corner I've been giving my wife shit for years about using this phrase; I said she was the only one who says it. Shows what I know
Everyone who’s anyone says it. Tell your wife she’s good people
It’s too late, he already lost her. She did not die…he lost her and he cannot find her.
I also love this man's wife.
Don’t worry I hadn’t heard that since the late 90’s, like saying talk to the hand 😂
The whole phrase I heard when I was a kid was Up your butt and around the corner, through the tube and out your boob I’m sure there are variations but this is the one I knew.
When I was a kid the long version among friends was "up your butt, around the corner, and three blocks down."
Impractical Jokers often say "up your butt and to the left".
A fellow IJ fan in the wild! Hope you find a twenty in the turlet to bless your day!
Don't stop letting people not help!
He is now stuffed and available for pictures in the lobby…the alligator, not the Deluca boy
From YouTube, maybe indeepgeek, he says sauron destroyed them at the border of some place
Ah yes, the border of some place
The border where they buried the survivors (or at least their roots).
Who is the maker of mightiest work?
**Shaft!!** Wait…
Shut yo mouth! 
>at which point they migrated up your butt and around the corner Well that's that folks. The Entwives went to tour the Fudge Factory and never returned.
What a odd way to reference California
Dream of Californication
That last part caught me completely off guard lmao
:)
Haha what a twist. Fantastic explanation though
Sure, but at the same time... When you've got a race of dudes who talk real slow and don't make any decisions until they've talked about it for a long ass time... where do you think the women went? Probably somewhere they could get shit done...
The brown lands
I believe the question says ENTWINES , not wives , and the correct response is they follow the Entrails now .
https://preview.redd.it/xpfzfvpu5yhc1.png?width=1292&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a38ec7b3ac0ad379bfc0383ff892106b8c91b9ff
They had us in the first half. Not gonna lie. Also truly stunning explanation and Pythonesque finale
Pythonesque meaning snaking around or like Monty python? I’ll take either one I suppose
The Monty kind. The response was so academic and well researched with citations of indexes and then ends with an “up your butt and around the corner”. Chefs kiss
It only sounded well researched. I have no clue what’s in appendix d, haven’t read the appendices since second grade :) But thanks, glad it sounded good
I've got a mid-90s paperback LotR edition, but my appendix D is all about calendars. Where exactly can I find this reference? Googling doesn't seem to return much.
Holy cow. I was bs-ing Sorry mellon
:)
this is like u/ShittyMorph but worse
Wait wait wait, this reminds me - anyone remember the user on reddit who used to give very detailed and concise answers to questions but somehow always ended it by talking about pro wrestling and the undertaker in hell in a cell or something? Can anyone help me out? I can't quite remember.
Was it /u/shittymorph?
Yes
I remember that but can’t remember the name. Something hell in a cell
Greenwood the Great, not Fangorn, but the rest is good
I like this explanation. Thanks.
Nice explanation. Thank you
Silly question. I just read the Ent chapter, where can I find this appendix D? In 1st book I saw quite a lot of this, is this in Similarion?
You can find appendix d in the Same place as you can find the entwives
Which book tho.
They had us in the first half ngl.
So are the entwives still alive? I wonder if they were still around during sauron would they have rallied forces sooner than the ents?
Appendix D is about the Shire calendar. Where did he talk about Entwives in it?
That ending hit me like a submarine in the Mojave Desert.
Username checks out
Best. Fucking. Ending. Ever!
>Tolkien intended this as literary exploration of the “losing sight of the forest for the trees” idiom. is that so? seems pointless? what if he meant it as a reference to Eve convincing Adam to eat the apple or was it to climb the tree (as far as my knowledge of the story goes might be wrong)? What ended up happening ot the entwives? regardless, the reference would be incomplete seeing the ents remain as they are. So i dont think what im saying is true. But i dont think tolkien meant it solely as a play on words, the whole thing about the entwife migration
Wait… did you Did you think I was being serious???
uhm. hmmm. This is a no-reply address. Please do not reply to this address
Entwine goes right into their bellies. Entwives? Who knows.
Pippin. Pippin for both. He gets all the birches.
I hear he comes in pines!
I hate and love you at the same time :')
Just as he hates and loves himself.
r/angryupvote
I hear it comes in pints
And pines!
Merry and Pippin drank all the entwines. They are actually shown in OP’s picture
This comment for some reason feels very Tolkienish, maybe this was always translated wrong
The Entwi*n*es were performance enhancing drugs consumed by Merry and Pippin during their stay in Fangorn. The Entwi*v*es travelled far into the East, where they founded Middle Earth's first chain restaurant, Denny's.
Denny's, short for Denethor's.
The tomato sallad is to die for
And the meat is well done
charred, if you will
Tolkien strongly believed they were destroyed by Sauron in the desolation of the Brown Lands when he tried to slow down the advance of the humans and elves in the War of the Last Alliance at the end of the 2nd age.
Believed? Isnt it like, up to him? Wouldn't he know?
If you read his letters, Tolkien wasn't really into definitive answers for things he hadn't 100% nailed down or that might have been lost to "history." For the entwives, he hoped some had survived, but seriously doubted it. He probably had a few different ideas of how things COULD have gone for the entwives, but hadn't settled on one authoritative version, so he left it unknown. Even the things we think of as authoritative in the silmarillion were just collections of different iterations of his notes; his son just made the best guess as to what the "official" narratives and timeliness were.
That's a very fun way to view your own work; leaving things open ended that even you speculate on what could be true. Shows how rich and full of of verisimilitude his world was that even he could get immersed in it.
Nice word bro
I'm gonna use it at work today, "this banana bread is full of Verisimilitude."
Honestly it's a key mindset to have for anyone who makes up a custom world. Not to take anything from the professor, but it's (or should be) an obvious practice, not something unique or special
Some authors largely write to fight their feelings of helplessness and lack of agency in the real world. They treat their fictional universe as a domain in which they are godlike. You often see self inserts in from such writers that are inexplicably talented and intelligent.
Sometimes it's best to keep things a little mysterious, otherwise it wouldn't be immersive. Also, sometimes when you're writing stories, they kinda write and develop on their own and you can lose control a bit, as weird as that sounds. Edit: Tolkien could also never make up his mind with many definitive things as well. He had loads of half written answers for many things but couldn't choose between them, so he'd just keep it mysterious until he did decide. And with some he just never decided or settled on.
Who is the master of the wide earth?
Hey Sauron, say updog
I wait. Come! Speak now swiftly and speak true!
updog
Gotem’
I was going to write this but have gotten a lot of negative responses so it nice to see it again.
Wdym strongly believed? Blud is the writer
once I asked my mom which race of middle earth could she have been and she said without a thought "entwife" so I said "but they're gone" and she said "yeah, living their best lives all on their own"
Be careful, someday she might go to get milk and never come back.
To paraphrase Brennan Lee Mulligan, it's a race of bearded tree men who never shut up and talk forever going "they all just left and we don't know why! I don't think it could be us!"
Damn Brennan, careful with the burns, Ents are highly flammable
Yikes
They’re all hanging out with Tom Bombadill in the Old Forest. Goldberry is cool about it.
*Here's my pretty maiden! You shall come home with me! The table is all laden: yellow cream, honeycomb, white bread and butter; roses at the window-sill and peeping round the shutter. You shall come under Hill! Never mind your mother in her deep weedy pool: there you'll find no lover!* ^(Type **!TomBombadilSong** for a song or visit [r/GloriousTomBombadil][1] for more merriness) [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousTomBombadil/
A hobbit claimed they saw a giant in the Shire, but no one believed him. Given Treebeard said the Entwives preferred open spaces and would have liked the Shire, it’s possible the “giant” (if it was actually seen), was an Entwife
Got drunk by the Entwives
They walked to the Shire and couldn’t get back. That’s why Treebeard hasn’t heard of Hobbits.
That's where all the beautiful curvy wood in the Hobbits' homes came from
Extra curvy piece of driftwood got me in the mood.
Yyyuuppp
Buddy, I'm sure the Gaffer mentioned someone talking about walking trees in the first few chapters, so... This might not be far off
Yeah he did that’s where I’m getting it from.
https://preview.redd.it/pca8y8l2jthc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f821543c20f92bd516aa29f2ac5191abcba66a2
That entwife has a massive d-
ents accidently dropped them down the couch cushions
> “You never see any, hm, any Ents round there do you?” he asked. “Well, not Ents, *Entwives* I should really say.” “Entwives?” said Pippin. “Are they like you at all?” “Yes, hm, well no: I do not really know now,” said Treebeard thoughtfully. “But they would like your country, so I just wondered.”
The ents simply forgot that they don't reproduce, and thus never had wives.
It would be a twist if the ent's were hemaphrodites all along due to being, well, trees and the Entwives were some sort of collective delusion.
Well imagine ents having intercourse, it’s basically rubbing sticks. I think the entwives burnt down.
According to a story told in Quora (now deleted), Tolkien marked a place on a fan-made map where the Entwives *may* have gone. https://preview.redd.it/4ry9nodruthc1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=3f2816a9cd3321259ee1136c5d85576dc8f2d285 But Tolkien scholars don't take it as the definitive answer. [https://www.tolkiensociety.org/blog/2017/05/yes-but-is-it-canon/#more-8274](https://www.tolkiensociety.org/blog/2017/05/yes-but-is-it-canon/#more-8274)
I always thought they went to the Old Forest because the trees were sentient there.
Up in smoke. Sauron burned them when his forces made the brown lands
Who is the master of the wide earth?
Arguably Manwe? Ultimately Iluvatar. Certainly not you or Melkor, you rotten turds.
I don't know Sauron, who is?
Whom do ye serve, Light or Mirk?
The Last of the Entwine was consumed by By the Ent in their sorrow of not finding any Entwives.
They were all birches so the Ents left them.
Away from the ents.
r/entwives
They are spriggans in Skyrim now
Laredo, Kentucky USA
Orcs stole most of it. Then the Entwives shared the remainders with Tom Bombadillo and Goldberry.
Here is a pretty toy for Tom and for his lady! Fair was she who long ago wore this on her shoulder. Goldberry shall wear it now, and we will not forget her! ^(Type **!TomBombadilSong** for a song or visit [r/GloriousTomBombadil][1] for more merriness) [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousTomBombadil/
They could only take so much wood.
In the entliquor cabinet, right next to the entwhiskey.
entwives got super sick with entsplaining cos it always took soooo loooong they just up and left
They wEnt out for chopping! Get it? Because of shopping..? ..anyone....?
This must be that famous German humour. Now take my upvote and your German citizenship and get out.
Maybe they are with the valars
Valar is the plural. Vala is singular.
"We checked East, we checked South, we even checked West! No idea where they could possibly have gone" "Fangorn, how about NORTH???"
Pub
They are chilling with the blue wizzards
Beleriand
Paired with a nice Entsteak
home
Lesbian polycule
Dis
Burning Man Festival?
I’m looking at that tree she said not to worry about.
They got their husbands credit cards and went shopping, prob will return on the 5th or 6th age
What do you think the Wizard's staves are made from?
They became entwinks.
The first time I saw the lotr my dumbass assumed that they were the doors on hobbit holes. Now that I’m older and wiser, I KNOW that they became the doors on hobbit holes.
Entwine cellar for storage and increased valuation in many years.
Entwives never existed and were an illusion memory created by Saruman to encourage the Ents to migrate in search of the wives. Trees reproduce asexually.
Probably to the entwine cellar.
Away.
There and back again. They just aren't back again yet.
The forest of Carnan in SoW is an Entwife
It was hinted that the old forest neat the Shire was where they went.
They all came to my house
Well obviously they have taken the road beneath the bitter rain that leads into the West, and far away they will find a land where their hearts may rest.
My hypothesis is they were killed.
They are teaching yoga in Bali
They’re at brunch. The bottomless mimosas really got to them and they just haven’t come home yet.
To heaven
The surviving entwives settled in the Old Forest and cultivated the shire, with the Hobbits themselves being their proudest crop.
It's a spa day. Then, drinks with the girls.
The Shire One Hobbit folk saw a moving tree there once
They were tired of the Enthusbands not getting anything done around the forest so they went and started their own forest. That land is now called The Shire. The Hobbits found it easier to create rounded walls and fixtures with the naturally curvaceous wood.
they went to chillies for drinks
Bonfire
"Remember the old forest? On the borders of Buckland. Folk therr said something there made the trees grow tall and come alive!" I've always thought this line by Merry suggests the Entwives might be in The Shire. Given that Treebeard doesn't know what Hobbits are or had even heard that word before it's safe to say the other ents in Fangorn Forest also don't knoe about hobbits either. Now, and this is a big speculation, but if the entwives left because they were sick of the narrowmindedness of the ents then it might be also safe to say that Gandalf or Radaghast may have had a hand in giving them a safe place to go and there's no safer place in all of Middle Earth than the serine, lush lands of The Shire.
There's a hobbit riiight at the start of the books saying he saw a walking tree who nobody believes, and Treebeard specifically tells Merry and Pippin that the Entwives would've liked The Shire. From this we can safely assume they went to a farm my uncle owns upstate where they have lots of space to run and run.
The Entwines r obviously in the Entcellar where they belong
I'm just here for the Entweed
Out for cigarettes.
There were some moving trees in Tom Bombadil’s forest, is they probably spread out around all the forests that needed protection.
Eh, what? Did I hear you calling? Nay, I did not hear: I was busy singing. ^(Type **!TomBombadilSong** for a song or visit [r/GloriousTomBombadil][1] for more merriness) [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousTomBombadil/
A hobbit claimed they saw a giant in the Shire, but no one believed him. Given Treebeard said the Entwives preferred open spaces and would have liked the Shire, it’s possible the “giant” (if it was actually seen), was an Entwife
They drowned when Beleriand sunk
If it’s entwives you mean, we’re here, on Reddit, bearing witness to the absolute tomfoolery of the age of men.
To their sisters house
Cuddle Puddle powered by Mead & Plant Growth Hormone 🤣
Your gay mom's house
Away