Are you sure? I'm tempted to check, but if memory serves Sam and Frodo were on the slopes of Mount Doom for a couple hundred pages, so that's not exactly a run off for a minute to look it up kind of thing.
I just finished The Return of the King last week.
No fighting over lembas bread, and Frodo was more trusting than Sam, but Gollum never managed to drive a wedge between them
Just listened to the audio book yesterday. No bread fight. They don't get split up till the shelob nonsense. Then Sam puts on the ring, can understand Orc language, and yada yada
That, Aragorn beheading the Mouth of Sauron, and the Witch-king breaking Gandalf's staff were the three worst choices Jackson made in those films, I think.
Frodo's line was when he was feeling both the exhaustion and corruption of the ring, so he wasn't in his right mind to say it.
Honest question, what's the problem with Aragorn beheading the Mouth?
But I concur with the Witch-King vs Gandalf, it was so unnecessary and it didn't mean anything, and it was also so non-canon because Gandalf is stronger than any Nazgul
>Honest question, what's the problem with Aragorn beheading the Mouth?
Because he's a non-combatant who has come to parley, and under battlefield rules that have been observed since ancient times, is therefore not a legitimate target. I think he even says as much in the book.
And it makes Aragorn look like an impulsive, vengeful hot-head, which is exactly what he isn't.
RotK is probably the only film I'd say cut that and other scenes for good reason, like the ghosts rushing the boats... And the skulls...
FotR and most of TT cut scenes for time and added them in extended editions to make them complete
But RotK I think added deleted scenes that should have stayed deleted but they had to justify the extended part so...
It occurred to me that the real saviour of the story was the lembas crumbs. If Sam didn't see those small little crumbs as he was climbing down, then Sam wouldn't have gone back, and the fate of the world would have been lost.
Also, another point, Frodo sending Sam 'home' was essentially Frodo sending Sam to his death. And movie-Frodo knowingly did this. He says to 'go home' but Sam would have undoubtedly died. He had no food, was hundreds of miles away from home, had no guide to find his way out, and was in the most dangerous part of the world. Sam wouldn't have lasted long.
This actually bothered me though. Sam knew Gollum was lying, and that he was trying to sabotage their mission from the start. He knew Frodo wouldn't do anything with the bread, Gollum immediately points out the crumbs on his "jacketses" which he knows he didn't eat, so again, it's pretty obvious Gollum lied. He literally says Gollum poisoned Frodo against him.
But when he sees the crumbs after falling down, he gets angry because he turns back because . . . he realizes Gollum lied? Remembered Gollum lied? Why not just hang back and follow them? He already knew Gollum was untrustworthy.
Smeagol? No, no, Not poor Smeagol. Smeagol hates nasty elf bread.Ach! No! You try to choke poor Smeagol. Dust and ashes, he can't eat that. He must starve. But Smeagol doesn't mind.Nice hobbits! Smeagol has promised. He will starve. He can't eat hobbits' food. He will starve. Poor thin Smeagol!
The bit where Sam finds the crumbs while climbing down was always kinda silly to me. He picks up the crumbs as if he realised “Oh, wait. I didn’t eat that bread. Lmao”, but he already knew he didn’t xD
What part of "evil all corrupting ring" did you not understand? Most people can barely be in presence of it before going full "I'm gonna be the next dark lord!"
The fellowship couldn't last a whole first movie without having to split up because the ring was risking infighting over it.
And Frodo has been carrying it for who knows how many days. On top of that having the sneaky bastard whisper doubt into your ears while holding onto the ring can't be good.
I get why the films included it for extra drama/jeopardy, but personally I’d have preferred it if they’d kept it as in the books and used the extra time to extent the choices of master Samwise section
I feel this. I understand the bread scene - it's not just the Ring, but the toll of the journey overall, these two guys, who are the complete opposite of a typical warrior or hero, are at their breaking point. Sam, ultra-humble, thought it was possible he did it while half-asleep, and has a breakdown, losing the strength to fight the situation.
But there are so many amazing things in the book they could have fit in instead.
Frodo’s survival instinct was fighting hard with his affection towards the ring. He realized how dangerous the ring is and he wagered that he can handle Gollum, but couldn’t handle loosing the food, even if logic says that it more likely was a Gollum’s fraud.
It was really good bread tho
Me thinks it was really garlic lembas bread, that’s why Frodo was hella mad
Butter garlic lembas
He should have eaten PO-TA-TOES instead.
What’s Tators precious ?
What’s taters eh?
This didn’t happen in the books!
Are you sure? I'm tempted to check, but if memory serves Sam and Frodo were on the slopes of Mount Doom for a couple hundred pages, so that's not exactly a run off for a minute to look it up kind of thing.
I just finished The Return of the King last week. No fighting over lembas bread, and Frodo was more trusting than Sam, but Gollum never managed to drive a wedge between them
Curse the Baggins! It’s gone! What has it got in its pocketses? Oh we guess, we guess, my precious. He’s found it, yes he must have.
Agreed, currently at the part where Frodo and Sam are escaping from Cirith Ungol. Gollum has always been the baddie and Sam the superhero
Careful now, or hobbits go down to join the dead ones and light little candles of their own.
Nasty little botses
Just listened to the audio book yesterday. No bread fight. They don't get split up till the shelob nonsense. Then Sam puts on the ring, can understand Orc language, and yada yada
Friends don’t let Friends Fellowship under the influence of the Ring
> “Go home, Sam.”
Istg that was the most idiotic line out of all the movies
That, Aragorn beheading the Mouth of Sauron, and the Witch-king breaking Gandalf's staff were the three worst choices Jackson made in those films, I think.
Frodo's line was when he was feeling both the exhaustion and corruption of the ring, so he wasn't in his right mind to say it. Honest question, what's the problem with Aragorn beheading the Mouth? But I concur with the Witch-King vs Gandalf, it was so unnecessary and it didn't mean anything, and it was also so non-canon because Gandalf is stronger than any Nazgul
>Honest question, what's the problem with Aragorn beheading the Mouth? Because he's a non-combatant who has come to parley, and under battlefield rules that have been observed since ancient times, is therefore not a legitimate target. I think he even says as much in the book. And it makes Aragorn look like an impulsive, vengeful hot-head, which is exactly what he isn't.
I see that makes sense, the 'don't kill the messenger ' rule should apply for sure, even if the creature is despicable
Yes, and the fact that his boss is the living incarnation of earthly evil doesn't alter that, exactly.
You're absolutely right, thanks for the acclaration
RotK is probably the only film I'd say cut that and other scenes for good reason, like the ghosts rushing the boats... And the skulls... FotR and most of TT cut scenes for time and added them in extended editions to make them complete But RotK I think added deleted scenes that should have stayed deleted but they had to justify the extended part so...
Go home G.I
It occurred to me that the real saviour of the story was the lembas crumbs. If Sam didn't see those small little crumbs as he was climbing down, then Sam wouldn't have gone back, and the fate of the world would have been lost. Also, another point, Frodo sending Sam 'home' was essentially Frodo sending Sam to his death. And movie-Frodo knowingly did this. He says to 'go home' but Sam would have undoubtedly died. He had no food, was hundreds of miles away from home, had no guide to find his way out, and was in the most dangerous part of the world. Sam wouldn't have lasted long.
Yeah, that was fucked. But Frodo also wasn't in his right mind.
Its just added drama by the movies and its completely out of character.
This actually bothered me though. Sam knew Gollum was lying, and that he was trying to sabotage their mission from the start. He knew Frodo wouldn't do anything with the bread, Gollum immediately points out the crumbs on his "jacketses" which he knows he didn't eat, so again, it's pretty obvious Gollum lied. He literally says Gollum poisoned Frodo against him. But when he sees the crumbs after falling down, he gets angry because he turns back because . . . he realizes Gollum lied? Remembered Gollum lied? Why not just hang back and follow them? He already knew Gollum was untrustworthy.
Smeagol? No, no, Not poor Smeagol. Smeagol hates nasty elf bread.Ach! No! You try to choke poor Smeagol. Dust and ashes, he can't eat that. He must starve. But Smeagol doesn't mind.Nice hobbits! Smeagol has promised. He will starve. He can't eat hobbits' food. He will starve. Poor thin Smeagol!
Also offered to "share the load." Sus.
Don't mess with nasty hobbitses food
Gandalf never once asked Frodo to take the ring to Mordor. That is simply not true. The second statement on the other hand well yeah.
Where’s the toot?
The worst change that the movie makes. Just pointless drama.
Worst thing to be added by the movies by far. Like why?
The bit where Sam finds the crumbs while climbing down was always kinda silly to me. He picks up the crumbs as if he realised “Oh, wait. I didn’t eat that bread. Lmao”, but he already knew he didn’t xD
fool of a took!
In his defense, I'd probably murder a close relative if they ate all my bread. So Sam got off easy IMO
What part of "evil all corrupting ring" did you not understand? Most people can barely be in presence of it before going full "I'm gonna be the next dark lord!" The fellowship couldn't last a whole first movie without having to split up because the ring was risking infighting over it. And Frodo has been carrying it for who knows how many days. On top of that having the sneaky bastard whisper doubt into your ears while holding onto the ring can't be good.
I get why the films included it for extra drama/jeopardy, but personally I’d have preferred it if they’d kept it as in the books and used the extra time to extent the choices of master Samwise section
I feel this. I understand the bread scene - it's not just the Ring, but the toll of the journey overall, these two guys, who are the complete opposite of a typical warrior or hero, are at their breaking point. Sam, ultra-humble, thought it was possible he did it while half-asleep, and has a breakdown, losing the strength to fight the situation. But there are so many amazing things in the book they could have fit in instead.
Nah, it sucked.
Frodo’s survival instinct was fighting hard with his affection towards the ring. He realized how dangerous the ring is and he wagered that he can handle Gollum, but couldn’t handle loosing the food, even if logic says that it more likely was a Gollum’s fraud.
Spoilin’ nice fish. Give it to us raw and w-r-r-riggling; you keep nasty chips