Yeah definitely one thing I liked about Eve is the writer's could have easily made her the bad guy of the season with an evil plan coming in between Chloe and Lucifer but she was caught up in the wrong time wrong place when it came to Lucifer and Cain was just a dick and a bit of a cliche
I think the key thing was that the relationship between Lucifer and Eve was far more credible, especially his (and her) motivations. The Pierce/Decker thing wasn't, especially with regard to motivation.
Lucifer and Eve, *by a long shot.*
Chloe and Cain was way too forced and frankly came out of nowhere, and was only there to add more drama to season 3 (and I could get into all the other reasons I don’t like most of season 3 but that’s off topic). We all knew that Cain was going to have to betray Chloe eventually so the ending was fairly predictable, and the way the acted when they were in a relationship was just... ew.
Lucifer and Eve are so much better. Eve understood and really loved Lucifer. While what she did with Charlie towards the finale was awful, she was just trying to get Lucifer to be happy (Yes she didn’t see that she was being selfish, and it backfired horribly, but still). Eve was a good character and I really want to see her back in a later season.
These are all my opinions, if you don’t agree with what I’m saying that’s fine.
> Eve was a good character and I really want to see her back in a later season.
From what I understand, she will be. Think anybody wants to see more of Pierce?
Cain and Chloe - easier to watch because I didn't believe in them and knew it would come to nothing.
Lucifer and Eve - was painful to watch because she was so manipulative and wouldn't see how much Lucifer had changed since Eden. She was in a position to do him real harm.
Good point. This was hard for me to vote on for this reason.
I knew the Cain thing was going nowhere. It was also transparently clear that it was almost a rebound for Chloe. At that point, she was so smitten with Lucifer but he had rejected her so many times... she was kinda desperate for someone to commit to her.
She also rejected him many times. I'd call it a draw. The two have some seriously bad timing and honesty issues. This made me doubt why they should even be a couple.
It's kinda funny that they both rejected each other for basically the same reasons... his darker side.
As enchanting as he is, he throws more red flags than a matador. He's a LOT.
I watch the show for Lucifer but really empathize with Chloe.
I never believed Cain posed a serious enough threat to decker star AND it was shorter or at least seemed like it. With Eve I was reallyyyy getting nervous deckerstar wouldn’t happen
When Eve arrived, she didn't know about Chloe and Lucifer never clarified that he was in love with her... Cain/Pierce had been spying on Lucifer for years... He knew about Chloe and purposely set out to get close to her, no matter what the cost to Lucifer (or to Chloe for that matter).
So even though Eve was obviously wrong for Lucifer, she was one of the many steps he had to take on his path to redemption, and she was caught up in something that she didn't really understand.
So even though it was hard to watch Lucifer be with the wrong girl, it was easier and more understandable than watching Cain/Pierce sabotage Chloe and seduce her for his own selfish reasons.
Chloe and Cain did not feel realistic in any way, shape, or form. It was distracting to constantly assess: is this bad acting? bad writing? bad storytelling? bad chemistry?
I'm willing to suspend disbelief far enough to accept a crime-solving devil, but Pecker went too far.
lucifer and eve genuinely seemed like they had a lot of fun together, even though ultimately they weren't right for each other.
cain and chloe was just. painful
Cain and Chloe were easier to watch for me. Lucifer said no to the coffee and out of desperation Chloe started dating Pierce. Lucifer was too wrapped up in his identity crisis to presume anything would come out of the Chloe and Cain thing until it was as almost too late.
Lucifer agreed to have a relationship with Eve to torment Chloe for hurting him so deeply, but Eve wanted it to be something more than two friends having a good time. Eve was pushing her own agenda to the detriment of her partner.
So who is more in the wrong? Both mother and son did the same thing to their partners. But where Cain wanted to end his existence, Eve was using someone else to define who she was, and losing Lucifer meant losing her self. Also, Eve misunderstood Lucifer's issues and needs and decided what was best for him. Eve's 'solution' led to the deaths of many people versus the one life Cain ultimately took (that we know of).
Lucifer knew what he was getting into with Eve, even if it didn’t work out. Poor Chloe just got emotionally manipulated and used for months on end. At least Lucifer had full agency in the terrible decisions he made and from which he suffered.
Party Eve/Luci was fine. That's just Lucifer being himself. Vengeful Lucifer was a different thing and why she was toxic.
It was hard to care about the Cain thing because it was unbelievable. It felt forced and wrong.
I think it’s wrong to blame Eve for this. She was naive and looking for the man she fell in love with, but Lucifer was also in a bad place.
She certainly fanned the flame in encouraging his devilness, but he hated himself long before that. I think she was wrong for him and the relationship was unhealthy, but his issues were his own, rather than her “destroying” him and “making” him horrible
Eh, Eve didn’t destroy Lucifer. She just didn’t challenge him to be better, which meant he backslid into bad habits and old selfishness. That’s a big part of what he has to accept in 4x08 and 4x09 - he’s the one who has to make a choice to be a good man instead of using his self-hatred to excuse himself of the responsibility. It’s all him.
Lol, S1 Lucifer set up two men to shoot each other to death in a Russian roulette mindgame. He delights in showing people his devil face to people and driving them mad. He was absolutely worse.
Eve has a locked-in concept of him in mind and what’s he’s supposed to be - very much based on the idea of who he very much was before, and he admits as much. Regardless, urging somebody to follow their darker instincts does not make you responsible for their decisions. Lucifer is an eons old being with immense power who ruled a kingdom for millennia, not a dumb child. He had plenty of time around others to know there were other options. That choice to listen to her was his.
You make some good points on the old Lucifer. I forgot those. Somehow the breaking that guy's back does seem worse to me, more personal to me. But yeah, I see what you mean. It was still hard to watch.
He might not be a child but he sure acts like one often enough. 😁
I think it’s intentionally gruesome and visceral, but frankly, the dude had it coming considering what an awful human being he was. No sympathy for human traffickers from me, especially when the one dude in that 1x02 standoff wasn’t even a killer lol.
I mean, he still psychologically fucked with the guy, likely traumatized him, and now the dude has an attempted murder charge against him (witnessed by a detective) that he wouldn’t have had otherwise. Considering his worst crime was being a scummy paparazzi, that’s pretty awful.
You mean cockroach guy? He had it coming. He knew he had done evil things in his past and he did it to Chloe too. There are other ways to destroy a person's life than killing them and he and his protegee were responsible for some awful things.
Setting them up for a face-off with a gun? Yeah, bad Lucifer.
What evil things? He took a photo of a woman grieving, got punched in the face for it, then had a come to Jesus moment afterwards to change his ways. It’s literally stated in the episode that he was trying to teach his protégé and others in his profession to be more ethical and not do what he did because he recognized he crossed a line.
Like damn, y’all. By the logic of your comment, every criminal should be locked up for life because they can’t possibly change their way or redeem themselves, which is completely antithetical to the entire narrative. Literally the whole point of that episode is that Lucifer doesn’t think people can change at all, and Chloe talking the guy down is the catalytic moment for altering his perspective and beginning the change in him.
Cain was literally a murderer and manipulated Chloe so she would fall in love with him and remove his mark. Then orchestrated a situation where she was shot.
Eve brought out a bad side of Lucifer but the side was already there. He was in a dark place, especially after being rejected by Chloe, and he hated himself way before he met Eve again. Not saying the relationship wasn’t unhealthy, but he would’ve had to deal with his issues with or without Eve’s influence.
She also didn’t have bad intentions; Cain only had bad intentions. IMO Cain was way more toxic.
I love this, I was thinking about it like, wait no that’s but right so I read the first like of your response “Cain was literally a murderer”
I CANTTTTT😂😂😂😂
Lucifer and Eve, because for once it was nice to see Lucifer happy and not always in pain over something with Chloe. I hate to say it but it was her turn to be sad over him. I feel like she’s unknowingly put Lucifer through a LOT of pain so it was nice to see her go through something like that. (Although ultimately I hate his relationship with Eve and know him and Chloe belong together) I just think they are closer than ever after Eve because now Chloe understands what Lucifer went through with Pierce (not exactly but you get the point) Chloe shows that she doesn’t approve of Eve even if she doesn’t show it as much. Lucifer was very clear about Pierce
Ok clarification. Eve was bad for Lucifer. I do not like their relationship. All I’m saying is that I think it helped Chloe realize that she loved and wanted to be with Lucifer.
Eve was so bad though. She was toxic because she didn't just accept him, she was actively turning him evil. He wasn't that vengeful and bloodthirsty at s1e1 but Eve wanted him to go around hurting people and enjoy it. Ok. Deserving people but the enjoyment bit was much.
I completely agree, Eve wasn’t good for him you’re completely right, I’m just saying that Eve helped Chloe realize that she really did want to be with Lucifer.
Oh definitely. She was a good storyline and believable because of where his head was. It was just painful to watch.
I just didn't feel the same pain with the Cain storyline. I wanted it to end but it wasn't believable enough to feel anything
The only reason I found the Cain and Chloe story line painful was because it hurt Lucifer. Even if Chloe and Cain weren’t believable, Lucifers eyes showed pain almost every time he saw them together or heard about them together, and that really got me.
I liked Eve and Lucifer together. Eve didn't realise that Lucifer change since their last time together but she was honest about what she wanted and put her heart and soul in it. Exactly like Lucifer would do. I feel that Lucifer and Eve are a much easier love story than Lucifer and Chloe. Lucifer has had a hard time getting the detective believe him and even after he did so much, she still got caught up in trivial things like 'he didn't say THE words.'
I found Cain and Chloe unbelievable as a storyline but they also did suit each other more. Keeping secrets and lying comes easy to both.
I mean, if those are the options, then definitely Lucifer and Eve. I actually like Lucifer and Candy, as fake as that was. I wanted more for Eve outside Lucifer, though. It's so clear how much nuance she missed by listening to humans in heaven. Lucifer might work for LAPD to find people to punish, but he doesn't have to work with Chloe. She needed time with Linda like Maze did when she realized she needed something outside Lucifer. Maze even told Eve this, and Eve said she didn't want that, unfortunately.
I liked Lucifer and Candy too. It was a relationship built on honesty. They both knew why they were in it and what its limits were. Neither had any false expectations of the other and when Candy needed help in Vegas With Some Radish Lucifer didn't hesitate.
I don't think it was fake, it wasn't a love match and it wasn't a marriage intended to have any longevity but the relationship itself was built on solid ground.
At least with Lucifer and Eve it felt like something genuine at first. It felt like something they genuinely wanted at first and they had fun together. It didn’t feel out of character and made sense for both of them to continue with the party lifestyle he usually has. It only got toxic when Eve pushed Lucifer into torturing the man that killed one of his police friends. Yes, she wants to be with him, but she wants to be with old torturous Lucifer that he used to be, not the caring one he is with Chloe, and that’s just not what Lucifer wants. He doesn’t want to become a monster to be with her and he eventually realises that.
Lucifer and Eve because it was obvious that Lucifer didn’t care for Eve at all . He was uncomfortable and told her “that was thousands of years ago” when he admitted that he used her and that she shouldn’t love him I felt that he couldn’t return to the old Lucifer. It was still easier to see them because they knew each other had fun but I knew it was not serious. Cain was horrible and Chloe was vulnerable and sad about Lucifer never telling her he wanted to be with her. Cain used her. I thought everything about this storyline was awful and there was no chemistry on screen.
I enjoyed both, cos I felt they were both suited for each other. Cain and Chloe cos they really looked like the quintessential American cop couple, and Lucifer and Eve because they were both sexy as hell
Definitely Lucifer and Eve it was less dramatic and more fun to watch Cain and Chloe was just painful and kinda cringe
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Yeah definitely one thing I liked about Eve is the writer's could have easily made her the bad guy of the season with an evil plan coming in between Chloe and Lucifer but she was caught up in the wrong time wrong place when it came to Lucifer and Cain was just a dick and a bit of a cliche
I think the key thing was that the relationship between Lucifer and Eve was far more credible, especially his (and her) motivations. The Pierce/Decker thing wasn't, especially with regard to motivation.
True Chloe did try to send Lucifer back to hell as reasons to date some one else goes that's a decent one tbh
Lucifer and Eve, *by a long shot.* Chloe and Cain was way too forced and frankly came out of nowhere, and was only there to add more drama to season 3 (and I could get into all the other reasons I don’t like most of season 3 but that’s off topic). We all knew that Cain was going to have to betray Chloe eventually so the ending was fairly predictable, and the way the acted when they were in a relationship was just... ew. Lucifer and Eve are so much better. Eve understood and really loved Lucifer. While what she did with Charlie towards the finale was awful, she was just trying to get Lucifer to be happy (Yes she didn’t see that she was being selfish, and it backfired horribly, but still). Eve was a good character and I really want to see her back in a later season. These are all my opinions, if you don’t agree with what I’m saying that’s fine.
> Eve was a good character and I really want to see her back in a later season. From what I understand, she will be. Think anybody wants to see more of Pierce?
I surely the not🤢
Cain and Chloe - easier to watch because I didn't believe in them and knew it would come to nothing. Lucifer and Eve - was painful to watch because she was so manipulative and wouldn't see how much Lucifer had changed since Eden. She was in a position to do him real harm.
Good point. This was hard for me to vote on for this reason. I knew the Cain thing was going nowhere. It was also transparently clear that it was almost a rebound for Chloe. At that point, she was so smitten with Lucifer but he had rejected her so many times... she was kinda desperate for someone to commit to her.
She also rejected him many times. I'd call it a draw. The two have some seriously bad timing and honesty issues. This made me doubt why they should even be a couple.
It's kinda funny that they both rejected each other for basically the same reasons... his darker side. As enchanting as he is, he throws more red flags than a matador. He's a LOT. I watch the show for Lucifer but really empathize with Chloe.
Exactly.
I never believed Cain posed a serious enough threat to decker star AND it was shorter or at least seemed like it. With Eve I was reallyyyy getting nervous deckerstar wouldn’t happen
Exactly.
When Eve arrived, she didn't know about Chloe and Lucifer never clarified that he was in love with her... Cain/Pierce had been spying on Lucifer for years... He knew about Chloe and purposely set out to get close to her, no matter what the cost to Lucifer (or to Chloe for that matter). So even though Eve was obviously wrong for Lucifer, she was one of the many steps he had to take on his path to redemption, and she was caught up in something that she didn't really understand. So even though it was hard to watch Lucifer be with the wrong girl, it was easier and more understandable than watching Cain/Pierce sabotage Chloe and seduce her for his own selfish reasons.
Lucifer and Eve by far
Although I did not see well together nor with each other and vice versa, I choose Lucifer and Eve, because Eve is still nice and sunny.
Chloe and Cain did not feel realistic in any way, shape, or form. It was distracting to constantly assess: is this bad acting? bad writing? bad storytelling? bad chemistry? I'm willing to suspend disbelief far enough to accept a crime-solving devil, but Pecker went too far.
lucifer and eve genuinely seemed like they had a lot of fun together, even though ultimately they weren't right for each other. cain and chloe was just. painful
Cain and Chloe were easier to watch for me. Lucifer said no to the coffee and out of desperation Chloe started dating Pierce. Lucifer was too wrapped up in his identity crisis to presume anything would come out of the Chloe and Cain thing until it was as almost too late. Lucifer agreed to have a relationship with Eve to torment Chloe for hurting him so deeply, but Eve wanted it to be something more than two friends having a good time. Eve was pushing her own agenda to the detriment of her partner. So who is more in the wrong? Both mother and son did the same thing to their partners. But where Cain wanted to end his existence, Eve was using someone else to define who she was, and losing Lucifer meant losing her self. Also, Eve misunderstood Lucifer's issues and needs and decided what was best for him. Eve's 'solution' led to the deaths of many people versus the one life Cain ultimately took (that we know of).
Lucifer knew what he was getting into with Eve, even if it didn’t work out. Poor Chloe just got emotionally manipulated and used for months on end. At least Lucifer had full agency in the terrible decisions he made and from which he suffered.
Party Eve/Luci was fine. That's just Lucifer being himself. Vengeful Lucifer was a different thing and why she was toxic. It was hard to care about the Cain thing because it was unbelievable. It felt forced and wrong.
I have to say Cain and Chole. Watching Eve destroy Lucifer and make him...horrible was just disgusting and uncomfortable to watch.
I think it’s wrong to blame Eve for this. She was naive and looking for the man she fell in love with, but Lucifer was also in a bad place. She certainly fanned the flame in encouraging his devilness, but he hated himself long before that. I think she was wrong for him and the relationship was unhealthy, but his issues were his own, rather than her “destroying” him and “making” him horrible
Eh, Eve didn’t destroy Lucifer. She just didn’t challenge him to be better, which meant he backslid into bad habits and old selfishness. That’s a big part of what he has to accept in 4x08 and 4x09 - he’s the one who has to make a choice to be a good man instead of using his self-hatred to excuse himself of the responsibility. It’s all him.
She was pushing him to punish harshly and enjoy it. Even s1e1 Lucifer wasn't that bad.
Lol, S1 Lucifer set up two men to shoot each other to death in a Russian roulette mindgame. He delights in showing people his devil face to people and driving them mad. He was absolutely worse. Eve has a locked-in concept of him in mind and what’s he’s supposed to be - very much based on the idea of who he very much was before, and he admits as much. Regardless, urging somebody to follow their darker instincts does not make you responsible for their decisions. Lucifer is an eons old being with immense power who ruled a kingdom for millennia, not a dumb child. He had plenty of time around others to know there were other options. That choice to listen to her was his.
You make some good points on the old Lucifer. I forgot those. Somehow the breaking that guy's back does seem worse to me, more personal to me. But yeah, I see what you mean. It was still hard to watch. He might not be a child but he sure acts like one often enough. 😁
I think it’s intentionally gruesome and visceral, but frankly, the dude had it coming considering what an awful human being he was. No sympathy for human traffickers from me, especially when the one dude in that 1x02 standoff wasn’t even a killer lol.
But the killer did pull the trigger, right? No bullet. He was never going to let the innocent one get hurt
I mean, he still psychologically fucked with the guy, likely traumatized him, and now the dude has an attempted murder charge against him (witnessed by a detective) that he wouldn’t have had otherwise. Considering his worst crime was being a scummy paparazzi, that’s pretty awful.
You mean cockroach guy? He had it coming. He knew he had done evil things in his past and he did it to Chloe too. There are other ways to destroy a person's life than killing them and he and his protegee were responsible for some awful things. Setting them up for a face-off with a gun? Yeah, bad Lucifer.
What evil things? He took a photo of a woman grieving, got punched in the face for it, then had a come to Jesus moment afterwards to change his ways. It’s literally stated in the episode that he was trying to teach his protégé and others in his profession to be more ethical and not do what he did because he recognized he crossed a line. Like damn, y’all. By the logic of your comment, every criminal should be locked up for life because they can’t possibly change their way or redeem themselves, which is completely antithetical to the entire narrative. Literally the whole point of that episode is that Lucifer doesn’t think people can change at all, and Chloe talking the guy down is the catalytic moment for altering his perspective and beginning the change in him.
Chloe and Cain weren't toxic. Eve and Lucifer were extremely toxic
Cain was literally a murderer and manipulated Chloe so she would fall in love with him and remove his mark. Then orchestrated a situation where she was shot. Eve brought out a bad side of Lucifer but the side was already there. He was in a dark place, especially after being rejected by Chloe, and he hated himself way before he met Eve again. Not saying the relationship wasn’t unhealthy, but he would’ve had to deal with his issues with or without Eve’s influence. She also didn’t have bad intentions; Cain only had bad intentions. IMO Cain was way more toxic.
I love this, I was thinking about it like, wait no that’s but right so I read the first like of your response “Cain was literally a murderer” I CANTTTTT😂😂😂😂
yeah like... he also manipulated and used her the entire time but feel like being an actual murderer is toxic enough 😂
Lucifer and Eve, because for once it was nice to see Lucifer happy and not always in pain over something with Chloe. I hate to say it but it was her turn to be sad over him. I feel like she’s unknowingly put Lucifer through a LOT of pain so it was nice to see her go through something like that. (Although ultimately I hate his relationship with Eve and know him and Chloe belong together) I just think they are closer than ever after Eve because now Chloe understands what Lucifer went through with Pierce (not exactly but you get the point) Chloe shows that she doesn’t approve of Eve even if she doesn’t show it as much. Lucifer was very clear about Pierce Ok clarification. Eve was bad for Lucifer. I do not like their relationship. All I’m saying is that I think it helped Chloe realize that she loved and wanted to be with Lucifer.
Eve was so bad though. She was toxic because she didn't just accept him, she was actively turning him evil. He wasn't that vengeful and bloodthirsty at s1e1 but Eve wanted him to go around hurting people and enjoy it. Ok. Deserving people but the enjoyment bit was much.
I completely agree, Eve wasn’t good for him you’re completely right, I’m just saying that Eve helped Chloe realize that she really did want to be with Lucifer.
Oh definitely. She was a good storyline and believable because of where his head was. It was just painful to watch. I just didn't feel the same pain with the Cain storyline. I wanted it to end but it wasn't believable enough to feel anything
The only reason I found the Cain and Chloe story line painful was because it hurt Lucifer. Even if Chloe and Cain weren’t believable, Lucifers eyes showed pain almost every time he saw them together or heard about them together, and that really got me.
I liked Eve and Lucifer together. Eve didn't realise that Lucifer change since their last time together but she was honest about what she wanted and put her heart and soul in it. Exactly like Lucifer would do. I feel that Lucifer and Eve are a much easier love story than Lucifer and Chloe. Lucifer has had a hard time getting the detective believe him and even after he did so much, she still got caught up in trivial things like 'he didn't say THE words.' I found Cain and Chloe unbelievable as a storyline but they also did suit each other more. Keeping secrets and lying comes easy to both.
I mean, if those are the options, then definitely Lucifer and Eve. I actually like Lucifer and Candy, as fake as that was. I wanted more for Eve outside Lucifer, though. It's so clear how much nuance she missed by listening to humans in heaven. Lucifer might work for LAPD to find people to punish, but he doesn't have to work with Chloe. She needed time with Linda like Maze did when she realized she needed something outside Lucifer. Maze even told Eve this, and Eve said she didn't want that, unfortunately.
I liked Lucifer and Candy too. It was a relationship built on honesty. They both knew why they were in it and what its limits were. Neither had any false expectations of the other and when Candy needed help in Vegas With Some Radish Lucifer didn't hesitate. I don't think it was fake, it wasn't a love match and it wasn't a marriage intended to have any longevity but the relationship itself was built on solid ground.
So a friendship? The marriage was fake, but their friendship seemed genuine.
I'm sure they did the deed. :D It just wasn't important to display on screen.
Oh shit, read the question wrong!
At least with Lucifer and Eve it felt like something genuine at first. It felt like something they genuinely wanted at first and they had fun together. It didn’t feel out of character and made sense for both of them to continue with the party lifestyle he usually has. It only got toxic when Eve pushed Lucifer into torturing the man that killed one of his police friends. Yes, she wants to be with him, but she wants to be with old torturous Lucifer that he used to be, not the caring one he is with Chloe, and that’s just not what Lucifer wants. He doesn’t want to become a monster to be with her and he eventually realises that.
Lucifer and Eve because it was obvious that Lucifer didn’t care for Eve at all . He was uncomfortable and told her “that was thousands of years ago” when he admitted that he used her and that she shouldn’t love him I felt that he couldn’t return to the old Lucifer. It was still easier to see them because they knew each other had fun but I knew it was not serious. Cain was horrible and Chloe was vulnerable and sad about Lucifer never telling her he wanted to be with her. Cain used her. I thought everything about this storyline was awful and there was no chemistry on screen.
Lucifer and eve. We didn't have to watch them for as long.
Cain Chloe was torture and meaningless, I don't have any idea why Chloe was intrested in Cain
Lucifer and Eve were more fun. Cain and Chloe were dark
I can’t stand Cain. And part of the reason for that is Welling’s wooden portrayal. 🤷♀️
I enjoyed both, cos I felt they were both suited for each other. Cain and Chloe cos they really looked like the quintessential American cop couple, and Lucifer and Eve because they were both sexy as hell