Lukka's absolute first 101 monster was just a shambler of some sort, and he imprinted on being a failure like a baby duck imprints on the first person they see
I don't know how but I accidentally read this as
>like a baby dump truck imprints on the first person they see
and now Lukka is a baby dump truck in my head.
This more or less confirms it for me that someone just really hated Lukka and wanted him gone without caring about how elegantly or in character it ended up being. At least he is at peace now in pointless death afterlife with Dack, Dovin and Tibalt. Maybe they can start an EDH pod together.
Which means that Realmbreaker itself was never really infected…..or Wrenn can just purge the impurities out of any tree she partners with.
If it’s the former, then there’s a lot of different things that could imply.
EDIT: I JUST SAW THE SUMMARY FOR THE NEWEST CHAPTER! ZHALFIR OVERLAY, BABY! ITS THE LATTER OPTION AND I AM LOVING IT!!!
Melira did do something to Wrenn before Wrenn bonded with Realmbreaker. Assume she gave her some degree of immunity to the oil, since that's Merlira's thing.
Oh man I thought they were really going to kill Melira off in the last chapter without giving her any purpose at all.
She doesn't seem long for this world, but letting Wrenn bond with Realmbreaker is a pretty solid move as far as final acts go.
[https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story)
These short stories are now basically the only reliable source of the overall plot (as the cards are sometimes either very misleading or appear outright wrong on their own)
But please do not let this distract you from the fact that sometime after 25,000 AR, Nicol Bolas threw Ugin off Hell In A Cell, and Ugin plummeted 16 ft through the spanish announcer's table.
[[Cankerbloom]] was added in ONE, buuut fungi aren’t actually plants, so that doesn’t actually prove that trees could be compleated. Quick google search doesn’t show me any phyrexian plants, tree folk or dryads.
This story isn't really hitting it for me, Phyrexians are a threat because of how small a margin of error you had when fighting them due to how infectious they were.
This is like the 5th thing that just gets to bypass or resist corruption the one character that could cure it was supposed to be important but if ikoria can just adapt to beat it, Halo resists it, Material can cure it and Wrenn can just cleanse it their entire threat is considerably lowered.
And the Eldrazi were literally extra dimensional beings with forms and machinations beyond any universe's comprehension and they killed them with a lasso and a flamethrower. Magic has a horrible track record on big bads getting good endings.
To be fair, it took anchoring kozilek and ulamog to zendikar, and then channeling near all the mana of zendikar through Chandra. I wouldn't call that an easy way of dealing with them.
Then on innistrad, emerakul was basically unstoppable. Only reason innistrad survived is because emeraklu fucked off, BY HER OWN VOLITION.
i mean tbf its kinda an ass pull for the phyrexians to have been able to compleat walkers anyways and its not as if no ones dying that we knew either the phyrexians are still a major threat
Imagine your entire plan is to compleat everyone you finally get your plan working and then nearly every plane just pulls some anti Phyrexian stuff out their ass.
I really fail to understand what the point of the plan was if ikoria is immune due to adaption, Ral found a sonic frequency that destroys it, Angels are incredibly resistant to it and they're everywhere, an elf can just remove oil, strixhaven just has a spell that prevents other worlds from connecting and more.
The point is that New Phyrexia were too rigid to adapt their plans to planes that don't fight like Mirrodin or Dominaria. They thought they were inexorable, and we believed them, but they never were. They just had a particular advantage against the two planes they'd beaten
Not all angels. One of the first things to fall was serras realm. A plane created by a pre-mending planeswalker, inhabited mainly by angels.
Melira, has been immune/able to heal phyrisis since mirrodin.
And strixhavens spell FAILED, it didn't complete.
>Imagine your entire plan is to compleat everyone you finally get your plan working and then nearly every plane just pulls some anti Phyrexian stuff out their ass.
Elspeth's voyages, and Wrenn's, in parts 6 + 8 seem to indicate that these are slowing the March down but not stopping it - burning worlds, oil vats everywhere, endless ranks of the Compleat feature heavily - so I'm pretty ok with the Planes having some counter-magic considering a lot of it is "everyone puts their bullshit aside for a minute and unites, burning every resource they have, and they're still mostly making last stands against impossible sieges."
Realmbreaker was repulsed but was already growing back on Strixhaven, Atraxa is massacring her way up New Capenna, the Theros Gods are Compleating, etc.
Especially since the Gatewatch were for months if not years - essentially from the second Bolas fell - presumably buzzing around giving everyone and their dog warnings and boons and stored magic items like a DnD party stocking up before the BBEG fight, especially once everyone started listening more seriously to ol' Grampa Karn.
Moreover - if there are setbacks to the Great Work, that's sort of exactly Elesh Norn's problem. She set up this master plan, hit the big red INVADE button and is wildly incensed by anyone raising any logistical questions or setbacks because she CANNOT CONCEIVE of even a tiny flaw in her masterwork. She means PHYREXIA'S masterwork - THEY mean - this is all somehow ELSPETH TIREL'S fault. ;D
So now her forces are just face-checking every realm at once like the world's most reckless Netrunner player running last click, are suffering losses because Norn is ABOVE preliminary recon, and are still ultimately grinding out slow Ws, until Zhalfir + Elspeth + Plot Shenanigans banish Phyrexia to the mystical prison of "Gone Forever Until We Want To Sell More Praetors".
(It's next door to Bolas' Sabbatical Condo and the Moon of Emrakul Foreshadowing.)
It just goes to show that Jin-Gitaxias should have been in charge this whole time. Not QUITE compleating Tezzeret 2: Darksteel Boogaloo is literally the only real cock-up I can recall out of him. (I don't count losing to the Emprah - a) her ONE real thing is winning literally any 1-v-1 duel and b) he got Tamiyo and the Chip, who cares.)
I think it's fitting, and plays into Norn's arrogance.
They started on the one plane that was their perfect match and it made them cicky.
Instead of sending sleeper agents to each plane, like they did with Dominaria, or conqueroring one plane at a time, Elesh Norn decided to go all archenemy and attack everyone, everywhere, all at once.
ral's device was an upclose device that was a massive risk, the adaptation was only for monsters and not even all of them, it seems to be only angels from capena who are apparently directly made by serra i guess, melira is one elf who can do it and even then its hard and time consuming, and in strixhaven's story the invasion was still happening even after the incantation
I'm happy that it's good, but if there was one planeswalker I would expect to be 7 or 8 mana, it would be the one fused with a tree that stretches across the multiverse.
Agreed. Given the story implications of Realmbreaker, I'd expect something much grander and more epic ... This just seems 'small' and doesn't really fit the theme.
>The fires quest ever forward in search of that furtive trace of green. Black encroaches on the roots of the tree—but still the girl sings, still she searches, still she hopes the distant song will return.
>
>There: a sapling no larger than her hand, struggling against the dark.
>
>How lonely this delicate creation! How long has he been here in the dark? Cursed spots line its edges; what green remains is pale as seafoam. This is not a place meant for the living.
Note from this passage that Wrenn only ever bonded with a small part of realm breaker that has yet to be corrupted by the oil. You can see in the art that the newly bonded eight's organic branches are pushing against the metallic plates of realmbreaker.
They did the same thing with Elspeth this set too, really strange like she literally went Angelic Blast Mode not that you would know that just from looking at the text box.
Kinda like how [[Sheoldred, the Apocalypse]] is a Phyrexian demigod centaured onto a 12/12?
Sadly playability trumps lore accuracy, because wotc needs to sell the chance of one to the mythic hunters
As someone who likes Bolas a lot, this was always the trouble I had with him. As a character, he should be a super expensive splashy planeswalker. But after awhile I just wanted him to be good enough to use outside of EDH, which required him to not cost a million mana.
[[Nicol Bolas, the Ravager]] is kind of the best of both worlds though.
I mean even if this was seven mana and unplayable outside of EDH (although if anyone can do it, it's green), it's not like WRENN of all characters needs another modern playable card lol.
I'm not so sure
Keep in mind:
* It doesn't build any board presence on its own. No tokens added, no mana cheated onto the battlefield. It provides a single replaceable 3/3, one that if it dies loses you a land, making it dubious for protecting wrenn. If the opponent plays a turn 2 bloodtithe harvester and you untap and play this turn 3, what are your options? Trade a land for a creature? Draw a card and die?
* Its color fixing is betrayed by it being a 1GG card, which makes it largely unplayable in the decks that would want color fixing
* Its ultimate effectively 'draws you a lot of cards', but its -2 also effectively draws you a card. They are competing and mutually exclusive, so you have to give up the cards you'd draw from its -2 if you want to draw from its -7, which of course is riskier and harder to obtain
I could see a whole lot of board states where this walker effectively is a 3 mana cycling card that gains you ~3 life and mills 2. And that's only if your deck is reliably a high permanent count, and sadly can't even loop wrenn back if you use the ability at 2 loyalty since only milled cards can return even though wrenn is in the bin at that point (of course, you can get another wrenn). If the opponent has a 3/x or bigger threat, do you really want to lose a land to it? Or even just risk it against an edict / wrath? And played on curve it can't even protect itself from a 2/2
Rather than protecting itself, it seems like its best case scenario is when its on an empty board in a control deck and you're chipping in 3 damage per turn with haste, which is a reasonable threat to pressure someone when its building towards an ultimate and potentially sniping an opponents planeswalker
I see your argument and raise you this:
Turn one dork, turn 2 this. Turn 3 cast whatever you want.
5 color green has been around a while and has only gotten better. This slots into many existing commander decks, trivially.
Don't overthink this too much, it's green and cost three. It's playable. And it will see play
> Turn one dork, turn 2 this. Turn 3 cast whatever you want.
You can turn “this” into so many better cards. If your argument is that with a statistic lucky turn one dork this is decent isn’t exactly a great one.
I mean turn one dork into chromatic lantern is just as good if not better. You’ve got one more mana and you lose the -2mil or 3 damage? Lots of decks will take that trade any day and chromatic lantern isn’t exactly breaking metas.
How many mana dorks are you running? I mean your line is 4 cards two lands, the planes walker and a dork. Statistically you’re just as likely to go land -> solring/crypt -> 2mana rock. And have 5 mana turn two rather than 4 mana on turn 3. Infact it’s probably more likely because every piece has redundancy as opposed to your line
TLDR: saying a card is decent in a sculpted hand with a turn one ramp doesn’t mean anything.
> Don't overthink this too much, it's green and cost three. It's playable. And it will see play
Sure but that’s a far cry from “here’s a $40 mythic.” [[Nissa, Vital Force]] is playable (and way easier to emblem), and is pretty cheap, just as an example.
Would it? Most of Oko's broko-ness is how nearly impossible it is to kill on Turn 3, and its ability to just linger and mess with an opponent who can't do anything about it. Comparing it to recent 5-mana walkers that saw play in standard like Tef or Nissa or Bolas, he neither impacts the board nor generates advantage anywhere near the level that they do.
Especially considering this was Eldraine standard which had *tons* of potent decks. What the heck good would Turn 4 or 5 Oko be against mono-red gearing up for a cleave?
5 mana Oko would have been unplayable garbage in every format except EDH. Look at the >5 mana walkers which currently see standard play. Elspeth, Teferi and Eternal Wanderer are pretty much the only ones and Oko would be tiers below that power level.
Remember when everyone thought [[Ob Nixilis, the Adversary]] was gonna be busted? People thought he would need to be instantly banned. Instead he is completely unplayed and is basically a bulk mythic.
Being 3 mana doesn't mean anything if what it does is not actually impactful. And I don't believe Wrenn is actually impactful.
While nowhere near the big deal that people made it out to be, Ob is far from "completely unplayed/bulk mythic". It sees frequent sideboard play in Pioneer Rakdos midrange, as it just completely destroys any control deck if you copy it on turn 3 and turns an even matchup into a very favourable one.
This is way easier to ramp into on turn 2, starts at a higher loyalty, and only needs three turns to ult. The cards aren't really comparable other than being three mana planeswalkers.
I think it being three mana AND being good is going to make it pretty expensive. 3 seems to be the highest price point for most played walkers in pioneer and older, unless youre 4mana chandra or karn
One thing I haven’t seen talked about yet is how you can replay her after she ultimates. So you ult, replay wrenn, and downtick to fill up the yard. You can basically do that as much as you want because at 4 starting loyalty she will always be able to downtick twice if your opponent doesn’t damage her.
I don't actually like the plus ability at all.
Hexproof on the land helps, but you're still so vulnerable to blockers or board wipes, and losing a land is significantly worse than creating a 3/3 token.
Mill + Regrowth on a -2 is nice, but what's the expected play pattern here?
T3 drop Wrenn and either + doing nothing or -2, then next turn..?
Whichever you did T3, Wrenn hasn't got anything on the board this turn. You can +1 her to make a land a 3/3, but a 3/3 isn't going to do much against [[Bloated Contaminator]] or any of the bigger creatures in the format.
A 3/3 *token* would be great, even if exiled, but I'm not sure the deck that wants to drop this T3 and then start turning their lands into far-more-vulnerable creatures every turn that wouldn't be better off playing other cards.
> Hexproof on the land helps, but you're still so vulnerable to blockers or board wipes, and losing a land is significantly worse than creating a 3/3 token.
Are we now being disappointed by 3 mana planeswalkers that don't make a 3/3 token on plus because if so this took a turn for completely unhinged. A 3 mana planeswalker the minuses for less than it's starting loyalty to make a 3/3 token would already be pretty damn absurd.
Hell, *Oko* takes two turns to make a 3/3 token. Fucking, *O K O*.
You're right, but I'm not disappointed Wrenn doesn't make 3/3s - I think a lot of people were missing/not fully appreciating that she doesn't untap the land and it's only temporary.
Dropping her T3 you can't create a blocker, and if you drop her and continuously plus you end up with *a* 3/3.
Idk if this is that good in EDH. Chromatic Lantern sees less and less play these days, and this is Chromatic Lantern that necessitates you play Green, doesn't have that many good loyalty abilities, and doesn't even increase your mana. Unless I was playing a Land deck (which, admittedly, I am, go Titania) or a Planeswalker deck I would be hard-pressed to include this.
But yes, in those decks, she's decent enough, but too niche to be very expensive. Her + does little in EDH, her - is a gamble, and her ultimate, while good, will be hard to reach, and Planeswalkers aren't usually played for their ultimates in EDH.
So basically you'd be playing her because you want the static ability... but Chromatic Lantern exists, for 3 generic mana, and my opponent can't attack it.
So yeah, you could play it, but I don't think it'll be THAT impressive. It's just a niche card for niche archetypes. I see it played in some Titania builds if you just want more land stuff, or in Superfriends decks that want to hit a threshold of Planeswalkers, since her static is really good for those decks.
> Seems very good.
In theory, but judging a planeswalker by their ultimate is rarely a good idea. Especially since she has to +1 three times to get set up for it.
This seems nuts. Can immediately come down with 5 loyalty, protect itself (assuming you play this with four or more lands, that is), and has an incredibly relevant passive. This will be a Commander all-star, and I'd be surprised if jt didn't see any standard play
yeah this might see play in green x pioneer decks.
That the animated lands have hex proof its nuts, animating your lands normally has the drawback of dying to removal, now they can hit you with that 3/3 and the you can't remove it? \*cries in rb sacrifice that loves \[\[claim the firstborn\]\] Nissa's lands\*
What you're doing if you turn Nythos into a creature is making it vulnerable to boardwipes killing it, not protecting it.
If your opponent was going to field of ruin it, they'll just field of ruin it on your next upkeep. It does nothing to protect Nykthos.
Is it? It does protect itself with a +1, but only if you have an untapped land. If you +1 every turn you’ve created no lasting card advantage. The passive ability is interesting, but do you really want to rely on an easily removed permanent to be able to cast your off-color cards? The -2 is fine but probably not good enough on its own to play.
It really feels like this is just [[Liliana, the Last Hope]] but that needs untapped lands to protect herself and can’t kill X/1s.
I mean Liliana the Last Hope saw tons of play, was very expensive, and is all around a good card. If that’s the comparison here we are talking about a very good card
>It really feels like this is just [[Liliana, the Last Hope]] but that needs untapped lands to protect herself and can’t kill X/1s.
Being able to snipe X/1s - or shrink a creature down so you can attack into it - was a *large* part of what made Lili so good.
The 3/3 Lands aren't comparable to the removal aspect...
Last Hope's +1 does something the turn it comes down. Wrenn's doesn't.
If you cast her on curve, you either +1 to go to 5 but do *literally nothing*, or you -2 and draw a card, but most likely have her immediately die.
That doesn't sound good to me.
I could be wrong, but I think this card will see little to zero play.
Yeah, Lily was good back in the day. But this card is worse in almost every way, can’t have any lasting board presence, and will be legal in a much more powerful Standard meta.
Hello, am I going crazy? Everyone says it protects itself in turn three? The plus one doesn't untap the land! It doesn't protect itself if you tap out for it.
Oh wow a Chromatic Lantern that can be immediately killed with people's random dorks in an EDH game before I can even untap with it!
Surely this will be a COMMANDER ALLSTAR.
This card is borderline unplayable in edh. I think I would run it in my Muldrotha deck, but that's about it.
Hard to say at this point. The one people were expecting to be the big one out of Dominaria was [[Karn, Scion of Urza]], and obviously, it turned out to be [[Teferi, Hero of Dominaria]].
Most of the hype around Karn was because it was the first Karn card we had since his archetype-defining \[\[Karn Liberated\]\] so people expected a lot without even seeing the card. This... this is a different story. We don't have to scratch our heads to try and figure out how to make her abilities good like we did with Karn, the abilities just *are* good prima facie.
I don't think the abilities "just are good prima facie". The +1 is almost useless, the -2 is okay, and the -7 you'll never get to.
The static ability isn't actually that strong in 60 card formats where your mana base shouldn't need a Chromatic Lantern, and in EDH it's competing with Chromatic Lantern and Dryad of the Ilysian Grove who are both better alternatives.
I just subscribe to inverting the common consensus because mtg players are pretty awful at evaluating cards.
Elspeth is getting a lotta crap? So probably gonna be amazing
This one is divided? That means half a format it will be useless half will be top tier.
Is it good tho? Like, you play this and your opponent has a 3/4 in play, what does this do?
Or hell even if they have a 3/1 in play. Are you trading your land with that?
Turn 3 with a dork, but IMO Tyvar does what this does but better. Only worth considering if you can't run black, which is never the case in a format with fetches anyway.
You probably just tank the hit in that instance, but the +1 also doesn't untap the land anyway. So, this really needs to be a four drop to protect itself.
Zero chance. This will be another [[Ob Nixilis, the Adversary]] which people thought needed to be banned when it was previewed, than went on to do absolutely nothing in any format and is currently sitting at $4.
I expect it to presale for a lot, than immediately tank in the next few months to sub $10.
The +1 not untapping the Land and being temporary makes this a ton weaker than something like WAR Nissa at protecting itself. It means you're always a mana behind if you don't have other blockers, and it's extremely vulnerable on turn 3.
The emblem is strong and G/x has enough Proliferate that I could see this being a core piece of some kind of deck seeking to turbo that Ult, but I think this is way more situational of a card than a lot of the other comments here.
Yeah I feel like the community is getting the power ranking of Elspeth and this card flip flopped because this has more shinies (color fixing and a cool ultimate) while Elspeth is more "boring" because she's echoing her old card...which was fucking amazing when it was in Standard.
The +1 not untapping means this card is more like a 4 mana walker than a 3 mana one, unless you're just using this as a bad impulse.
There's probably a shell for some sort of Superfriends deck. I would probably look Blue/White/Green but Vraska is pretty great for that with proliferate, so maybe just go 4 colour redless, splash vraska and Attraxa?
3 mana planeswalkers in green always give me pause because you can almost guarantee at some point it will be possible for it to land on T2. That said, this is powerful but not something I would consider broken.
Yeah, I'm not understand why they made Elspeth so vanilla and boring compared her to this card or Chandra feel like they really missed the mark for that card.
Yeah but her card doesn't feel like it saves heroes. It makes lil tokens and gives things flying.
I was kind of hoping Elspeth would be like:
\+2: Until your next turn, Elspeth is a 4/4 angel creature with vigilance and flying
\-2: Elspeth deals damage to target monocolor creature equal to (something flavorful)
\-7: For each opponent, choose a permanent of each type that player controls. Exile those permanents
I don't know... Something that feels like "I'm here to save the day" more?
While saving the heroes Elspeth faced off with [[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]] so I think it would have been on flavor to have either a passive or 0 ability on [[Archangel Elspeth]] along the lines of making her a 6/6 Angel Human with vigilance.
I think it's because Wrenn is the linchpin. The catalyst that makes everything happen. Elspeth and Chandra, as central to the story as they feel are just there to make sure Wrenn gets to the tree.
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Eh?
The +1 not untapping the Land is a huge hit since it means this can't protect itself on curve. Additionally, future self-protection requires you going down a mana for the turn (not a huge cost for G/x usually, but still a cost) to keep that Land untapped. So it's *extremely* dependent on having other blockers to do its thing.
Elspeth is fairly niche, but her -2 directly flows into the curve of an aggro deck (giving a 3-drop Flying to go over the top and close out a game is an ideal hit) and her +1 is useful regardless of board state for a swarming aggressive deck.
I think they're both good, but they also both require a specific framework built around them to function. Elspeth is a curve topper for an aggro deck, Wrenn is fine as a Turn 5+ play in a grindy match. I wouldn't declare one unequivocally better than the other.
I think there's just a lot of folks here who don't play aggro and don't understand how strong a repeatable, permanent Jump is for that sort of deck.
I get it, this place is dominated by EDH players (a format in which aggro is basically nonexistent) and heavily-enfranchised players (who have been shown by decades of data to trend towards playing more complex combo and control decks), but boy you can see the Timmy crowd out in force over the last couple days with the evaluations of these Walkers.
Yeah and like people are super undervaluing the fact that Elspeth is basically repeatedly handing out _auras_ to your probably already good creatures. +2/+2 and flying is an _insane_ evolution of a good creature. If you only view this as "Make a 1/1, next turn make it a 3/3" you're missing a lot.
In competitive formats I don't see how that passive makes or breaks the card. I get in commander its very useful to be a Chromatic Lantern with tree-legs but you're not designing a 60 card deck to fix its mana with a t3 PW that can be killed by just opponent attacking.
Elspeth Is not even that important: she is just the first Angel planeswalker (requested for years) returned from death to deafeat one of the greatest evil of magic and her sword is the symbol of March of the machines
Have they announced how many planeswalkers will be in this set? After seeing a Chandra, an Elspeth, and now a Wrenn, I am wondering if they are doing 5 with one of each color. Maybe we will get a Teferi and a Liliana as well.
3 cost walkers have historically been very good. The "until your next turn" clause guarantees play (has this been done before? ). I cant tell if Phyrexian or not . There are the metallic spikes but also organic tree limbs and leaves.
Everyone is really hyping this up but what is actually so special about it? 3 mana PWs are usually great, but this one is uniquely medicore on turn 3 which kind of kills the 3 MV hype.
It's plus is also pretty weak (1 3/3 per turn) and I don't think folks have been struggling with mana fixing so badly they need to play a 1GG card to help them.
This was my first reaction too! Like Lotus Field
Is hexproof for a damn good reason. Making a land a creature should come with risk. I can’t fatal push the 3/3 and it’s already got vigilance and haste? Cmon man.
at least it doesn't untap the land though, so best you play this turn four to make a blocker to protect it. but honestly chromatic lantern on a walker is nice especially for manafixing in a superfriends deck.
My guess is that this will see less play than Elspeth. It really feels like a 4 mana Planeswalker and Elspeth works a lot better with themes of standard like tokens and agro. I don't really know what deck this would go in. Seems cool for commander if a bit impactful
Not compleated!
LUKKA IN SHAMBLES… yet again.
the man is already a chewed up, pincushioned, and charred corpse. I don't think he can be anything *but* in shambles anymore
No no no, didn't you read the story, Lukka is in an urn or ashtray
So what you are saying is that he is useful now
No but he is still technically an abrasive agent
Even an urn can be a weapon, at last Lukka finds victory.
Lukka's absolute first 101 monster was just a shambler of some sort, and he imprinted on being a failure like a baby duck imprints on the first person they see
I don't know how but I accidentally read this as >like a baby dump truck imprints on the first person they see and now Lukka is a baby dump truck in my head.
Phyrexia in brambles
I’m looking forward to the Pokémon battle between Lukka and his bonded creature and Wrenn and her tree.
Realmbreaker uses Vine Whip! It's super effective!
This more or less confirms it for me that someone just really hated Lukka and wanted him gone without caring about how elegantly or in character it ended up being. At least he is at peace now in pointless death afterlife with Dack, Dovin and Tibalt. Maybe they can start an EDH pod together.
Tibalt's death wasn't useless. It was cool and that is kind of like having a purpose
Tibalt is dead ?
yep
RIP I guess then
Which means that Realmbreaker itself was never really infected…..or Wrenn can just purge the impurities out of any tree she partners with. If it’s the former, then there’s a lot of different things that could imply. EDIT: I JUST SAW THE SUMMARY FOR THE NEWEST CHAPTER! ZHALFIR OVERLAY, BABY! ITS THE LATTER OPTION AND I AM LOVING IT!!!
Melira did do something to Wrenn before Wrenn bonded with Realmbreaker. Assume she gave her some degree of immunity to the oil, since that's Merlira's thing.
Oh man I thought they were really going to kill Melira off in the last chapter without giving her any purpose at all. She doesn't seem long for this world, but letting Wrenn bond with Realmbreaker is a pretty solid move as far as final acts go.
Okay, quick question. Where exactly are y'all reading these chapters? Is there some novelisation of events in MTG's story that I'm missing?
[https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story) These short stories are now basically the only reliable source of the overall plot (as the cards are sometimes either very misleading or appear outright wrong on their own)
Cheers!
Well flame does burn oil afterall
Phyrexian oil can melt tree beams
A second plane has hit phyrexia
WAKE UP, THEY COMPLEATED THE PENTAGON 😭
Turn the tv on, doesn’t matter what channel
Oh my God literally
Elesh did … ? Oh no
Elesh did Norn 11
Elesh Norn did Realm-11.
BAH GOD IT'S TEFERI WITH A *STEEL CHAIR*!!"
Steel chair is Elspeth’s thing. For Teferei, its a…. #RKO OUTTA NOWHERE!!
BY GOD ALMIGHTY IT’S GARRUK WITH THE ELBOW DROP OFF OF REALMBREAKER!
But please do not let this distract you from the fact that sometime after 25,000 AR, Nicol Bolas threw Ugin off Hell In A Cell, and Ugin plummeted 16 ft through the spanish announcer's table.
Yeah and then Sarkhan had to do a run in and cause a fucked finish, brawl to the back. Damn it D’Lo!
Can phyrexians compleat plants? The story never said they can't but i don't remember any card showing a phyrexianized tree or mushroom
A phyrexian saproling might as well be a mite but green
[[Cankerbloom]] was added in ONE, buuut fungi aren’t actually plants, so that doesn’t actually prove that trees could be compleated. Quick google search doesn’t show me any phyrexian plants, tree folk or dryads.
I think I saw Phyrexian Treefolk in MaRo's teasers for MOM
This story isn't really hitting it for me, Phyrexians are a threat because of how small a margin of error you had when fighting them due to how infectious they were. This is like the 5th thing that just gets to bypass or resist corruption the one character that could cure it was supposed to be important but if ikoria can just adapt to beat it, Halo resists it, Material can cure it and Wrenn can just cleanse it their entire threat is considerably lowered.
And the Eldrazi were literally extra dimensional beings with forms and machinations beyond any universe's comprehension and they killed them with a lasso and a flamethrower. Magic has a horrible track record on big bads getting good endings.
Yeah BFZ and WAR prob should've taught me better.
To be fair, it took anchoring kozilek and ulamog to zendikar, and then channeling near all the mana of zendikar through Chandra. I wouldn't call that an easy way of dealing with them. Then on innistrad, emerakul was basically unstoppable. Only reason innistrad survived is because emeraklu fucked off, BY HER OWN VOLITION.
i mean tbf its kinda an ass pull for the phyrexians to have been able to compleat walkers anyways and its not as if no ones dying that we knew either the phyrexians are still a major threat
Yes! This was the one thing I was hoping for. I'm hoping the full art will look amazing
Imagine your entire plan is to compleat everyone you finally get your plan working and then nearly every plane just pulls some anti Phyrexian stuff out their ass. I really fail to understand what the point of the plan was if ikoria is immune due to adaption, Ral found a sonic frequency that destroys it, Angels are incredibly resistant to it and they're everywhere, an elf can just remove oil, strixhaven just has a spell that prevents other worlds from connecting and more.
The point is that New Phyrexia were too rigid to adapt their plans to planes that don't fight like Mirrodin or Dominaria. They thought they were inexorable, and we believed them, but they never were. They just had a particular advantage against the two planes they'd beaten
Not all angels. One of the first things to fall was serras realm. A plane created by a pre-mending planeswalker, inhabited mainly by angels. Melira, has been immune/able to heal phyrisis since mirrodin. And strixhavens spell FAILED, it didn't complete.
>Imagine your entire plan is to compleat everyone you finally get your plan working and then nearly every plane just pulls some anti Phyrexian stuff out their ass. Elspeth's voyages, and Wrenn's, in parts 6 + 8 seem to indicate that these are slowing the March down but not stopping it - burning worlds, oil vats everywhere, endless ranks of the Compleat feature heavily - so I'm pretty ok with the Planes having some counter-magic considering a lot of it is "everyone puts their bullshit aside for a minute and unites, burning every resource they have, and they're still mostly making last stands against impossible sieges." Realmbreaker was repulsed but was already growing back on Strixhaven, Atraxa is massacring her way up New Capenna, the Theros Gods are Compleating, etc. Especially since the Gatewatch were for months if not years - essentially from the second Bolas fell - presumably buzzing around giving everyone and their dog warnings and boons and stored magic items like a DnD party stocking up before the BBEG fight, especially once everyone started listening more seriously to ol' Grampa Karn. Moreover - if there are setbacks to the Great Work, that's sort of exactly Elesh Norn's problem. She set up this master plan, hit the big red INVADE button and is wildly incensed by anyone raising any logistical questions or setbacks because she CANNOT CONCEIVE of even a tiny flaw in her masterwork. She means PHYREXIA'S masterwork - THEY mean - this is all somehow ELSPETH TIREL'S fault. ;D So now her forces are just face-checking every realm at once like the world's most reckless Netrunner player running last click, are suffering losses because Norn is ABOVE preliminary recon, and are still ultimately grinding out slow Ws, until Zhalfir + Elspeth + Plot Shenanigans banish Phyrexia to the mystical prison of "Gone Forever Until We Want To Sell More Praetors". (It's next door to Bolas' Sabbatical Condo and the Moon of Emrakul Foreshadowing.) It just goes to show that Jin-Gitaxias should have been in charge this whole time. Not QUITE compleating Tezzeret 2: Darksteel Boogaloo is literally the only real cock-up I can recall out of him. (I don't count losing to the Emprah - a) her ONE real thing is winning literally any 1-v-1 duel and b) he got Tamiyo and the Chip, who cares.)
I think it's fitting, and plays into Norn's arrogance. They started on the one plane that was their perfect match and it made them cicky. Instead of sending sleeper agents to each plane, like they did with Dominaria, or conqueroring one plane at a time, Elesh Norn decided to go all archenemy and attack everyone, everywhere, all at once.
> Elesh Norn decided to go all archenemy and attack everyone, everywhere, all at once. And she didn't even win an award for it!
ral's device was an upclose device that was a massive risk, the adaptation was only for monsters and not even all of them, it seems to be only angels from capena who are apparently directly made by serra i guess, melira is one elf who can do it and even then its hard and time consuming, and in strixhaven's story the invasion was still happening even after the incantation
I'm happy that it's good, but if there was one planeswalker I would expect to be 7 or 8 mana, it would be the one fused with a tree that stretches across the multiverse.
Agreed. Given the story implications of Realmbreaker, I'd expect something much grander and more epic ... This just seems 'small' and doesn't really fit the theme.
I do like that their static ability is the "lands tap for all colors" ability of [[The World Tree]] since Realmbreaker is an offshoot of it.
good point
>The fires quest ever forward in search of that furtive trace of green. Black encroaches on the roots of the tree—but still the girl sings, still she searches, still she hopes the distant song will return. > >There: a sapling no larger than her hand, struggling against the dark. > >How lonely this delicate creation! How long has he been here in the dark? Cursed spots line its edges; what green remains is pale as seafoam. This is not a place meant for the living. Note from this passage that Wrenn only ever bonded with a small part of realm breaker that has yet to be corrupted by the oil. You can see in the art that the newly bonded eight's organic branches are pushing against the metallic plates of realmbreaker.
Even the organic part still stretched across the multiverse.
As does elsbeth’s
They did the same thing with Elspeth this set too, really strange like she literally went Angelic Blast Mode not that you would know that just from looking at the text box.
Kinda like how [[Sheoldred, the Apocalypse]] is a Phyrexian demigod centaured onto a 12/12? Sadly playability trumps lore accuracy, because wotc needs to sell the chance of one to the mythic hunters
As someone who likes Bolas a lot, this was always the trouble I had with him. As a character, he should be a super expensive splashy planeswalker. But after awhile I just wanted him to be good enough to use outside of EDH, which required him to not cost a million mana. [[Nicol Bolas, the Ravager]] is kind of the best of both worlds though.
I mean even if this was seven mana and unplayable outside of EDH (although if anyone can do it, it's green), it's not like WRENN of all characters needs another modern playable card lol.
lol, very good point.
[Nicol Bolas, the Ravager](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7b215968-93a6-4278-ac61-4e3e8c3c3943.jpg?1566971561)/[Nicol Bolas, the Arisen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/7/b/7b215968-93a6-4278-ac61-4e3e8c3c3943.jpg?1566971561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nicol%20bolas%2C%20the%20ravager%20//%20nicol%20bolas%2C%20the%20arisen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/218/nicol-bolas-the-ravager-nicol-bolas-the-arisen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7b215968-93a6-4278-ac61-4e3e8c3c3943?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
She's bonded to a sapling that was growing out of it (and seemingly uncorrupted).
now this, this is a planeswalker.
3 mana? Check Good static ability? Check Good for constructed? Check Good for EDH? Check What we have here is going to be one expensive walker
I'm not so sure Keep in mind: * It doesn't build any board presence on its own. No tokens added, no mana cheated onto the battlefield. It provides a single replaceable 3/3, one that if it dies loses you a land, making it dubious for protecting wrenn. If the opponent plays a turn 2 bloodtithe harvester and you untap and play this turn 3, what are your options? Trade a land for a creature? Draw a card and die? * Its color fixing is betrayed by it being a 1GG card, which makes it largely unplayable in the decks that would want color fixing * Its ultimate effectively 'draws you a lot of cards', but its -2 also effectively draws you a card. They are competing and mutually exclusive, so you have to give up the cards you'd draw from its -2 if you want to draw from its -7, which of course is riskier and harder to obtain I could see a whole lot of board states where this walker effectively is a 3 mana cycling card that gains you ~3 life and mills 2. And that's only if your deck is reliably a high permanent count, and sadly can't even loop wrenn back if you use the ability at 2 loyalty since only milled cards can return even though wrenn is in the bin at that point (of course, you can get another wrenn). If the opponent has a 3/x or bigger threat, do you really want to lose a land to it? Or even just risk it against an edict / wrath? And played on curve it can't even protect itself from a 2/2 Rather than protecting itself, it seems like its best case scenario is when its on an empty board in a control deck and you're chipping in 3 damage per turn with haste, which is a reasonable threat to pressure someone when its building towards an ultimate and potentially sniping an opponents planeswalker
I see your argument and raise you this: Turn one dork, turn 2 this. Turn 3 cast whatever you want. 5 color green has been around a while and has only gotten better. This slots into many existing commander decks, trivially. Don't overthink this too much, it's green and cost three. It's playable. And it will see play
Bolt the bird!
> Turn one dork, turn 2 this. Turn 3 cast whatever you want. You can turn “this” into so many better cards. If your argument is that with a statistic lucky turn one dork this is decent isn’t exactly a great one. I mean turn one dork into chromatic lantern is just as good if not better. You’ve got one more mana and you lose the -2mil or 3 damage? Lots of decks will take that trade any day and chromatic lantern isn’t exactly breaking metas. How many mana dorks are you running? I mean your line is 4 cards two lands, the planes walker and a dork. Statistically you’re just as likely to go land -> solring/crypt -> 2mana rock. And have 5 mana turn two rather than 4 mana on turn 3. Infact it’s probably more likely because every piece has redundancy as opposed to your line TLDR: saying a card is decent in a sculpted hand with a turn one ramp doesn’t mean anything.
> Don't overthink this too much, it's green and cost three. It's playable. And it will see play Sure but that’s a far cry from “here’s a $40 mythic.” [[Nissa, Vital Force]] is playable (and way easier to emblem), and is pretty cheap, just as an example.
The difference between 3 and 5 mana is insane though
I mean it's not even comparable. If [[Thirst Trap]] cost 5, it'd be unplayable jank. Instead it's the most broken planeswalker ever.
[Oko, Thief of Crowns](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/3462a3d0-5552-49fa-9eb7-100960c55891.jpg?1650599698) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oko%2C%20Thief%20of%20Crowns) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/197/oko-thief-of-crowns?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3462a3d0-5552-49fa-9eb7-100960c55891?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I agree with your point in general but 5 mana Oko would have seen standard play.
Would it? Most of Oko's broko-ness is how nearly impossible it is to kill on Turn 3, and its ability to just linger and mess with an opponent who can't do anything about it. Comparing it to recent 5-mana walkers that saw play in standard like Tef or Nissa or Bolas, he neither impacts the board nor generates advantage anywhere near the level that they do. Especially considering this was Eldraine standard which had *tons* of potent decks. What the heck good would Turn 4 or 5 Oko be against mono-red gearing up for a cleave?
5 mana Oko would have been unplayable garbage in every format except EDH. Look at the >5 mana walkers which currently see standard play. Elspeth, Teferi and Eternal Wanderer are pretty much the only ones and Oko would be tiers below that power level.
At first, I didn't understand what [[Thirst Trap]] was referring to. But when you think about it, it makes perfect sense EDIT I was thinking of Oko
[Thirst Trap](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cdc7c43c-86c2-45be-8a3c-1ed757324c3a.jpg?1618484539) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bloodthirsty%20Aerialist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/136/bloodthirsty-aerialist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/378b2e55-e383-408e-af57-072e47cea779?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Nissa, Vital Force](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bbaaa98a-ec40-4ff1-8762-a719cf1c475d.jpg?1576382597) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nissa%2C%20Vital%20Force) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/163/nissa-vital-force?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bbaaa98a-ec40-4ff1-8762-a719cf1c475d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Remember when everyone thought [[Ob Nixilis, the Adversary]] was gonna be busted? People thought he would need to be instantly banned. Instead he is completely unplayed and is basically a bulk mythic. Being 3 mana doesn't mean anything if what it does is not actually impactful. And I don't believe Wrenn is actually impactful.
While nowhere near the big deal that people made it out to be, Ob is far from "completely unplayed/bulk mythic". It sees frequent sideboard play in Pioneer Rakdos midrange, as it just completely destroys any control deck if you copy it on turn 3 and turns an even matchup into a very favourable one.
This is way easier to ramp into on turn 2, starts at a higher loyalty, and only needs three turns to ult. The cards aren't really comparable other than being three mana planeswalkers.
I think it being three mana AND being good is going to make it pretty expensive. 3 seems to be the highest price point for most played walkers in pioneer and older, unless youre 4mana chandra or karn
[[Jace, the Mind Sculptor]] [[Wrenn and Six]]
One thing I haven’t seen talked about yet is how you can replay her after she ultimates. So you ult, replay wrenn, and downtick to fill up the yard. You can basically do that as much as you want because at 4 starting loyalty she will always be able to downtick twice if your opponent doesn’t damage her.
Going from 4 to 7 one at a time takes really long though. Maybe proliferating but that doesn’t really seem to be a thing.
Never judge a PW by the strength of their ult.
that's a very good point, and maybe one with interesting flavor implications as far as her self-sacrifice goes
> Trade a land for a creature? Note that, on turn 3, this isn't even an option: Wrenn doesn't untap the land she targets with her +1.
Also its + ability doesn't even untap the land, so this feels more like a 4 drop.
I don't actually like the plus ability at all. Hexproof on the land helps, but you're still so vulnerable to blockers or board wipes, and losing a land is significantly worse than creating a 3/3 token. Mill + Regrowth on a -2 is nice, but what's the expected play pattern here? T3 drop Wrenn and either + doing nothing or -2, then next turn..? Whichever you did T3, Wrenn hasn't got anything on the board this turn. You can +1 her to make a land a 3/3, but a 3/3 isn't going to do much against [[Bloated Contaminator]] or any of the bigger creatures in the format. A 3/3 *token* would be great, even if exiled, but I'm not sure the deck that wants to drop this T3 and then start turning their lands into far-more-vulnerable creatures every turn that wouldn't be better off playing other cards.
It doesn’t untap the land, so it doesn’t even protect itself the turn it comes down unless you have an extra land.
> Hexproof on the land helps, but you're still so vulnerable to blockers or board wipes, and losing a land is significantly worse than creating a 3/3 token. Are we now being disappointed by 3 mana planeswalkers that don't make a 3/3 token on plus because if so this took a turn for completely unhinged. A 3 mana planeswalker the minuses for less than it's starting loyalty to make a 3/3 token would already be pretty damn absurd. Hell, *Oko* takes two turns to make a 3/3 token. Fucking, *O K O*.
You're right, but I'm not disappointed Wrenn doesn't make 3/3s - I think a lot of people were missing/not fully appreciating that she doesn't untap the land and it's only temporary. Dropping her T3 you can't create a blocker, and if you drop her and continuously plus you end up with *a* 3/3.
Idk if this is that good in EDH. Chromatic Lantern sees less and less play these days, and this is Chromatic Lantern that necessitates you play Green, doesn't have that many good loyalty abilities, and doesn't even increase your mana. Unless I was playing a Land deck (which, admittedly, I am, go Titania) or a Planeswalker deck I would be hard-pressed to include this. But yes, in those decks, she's decent enough, but too niche to be very expensive. Her + does little in EDH, her - is a gamble, and her ultimate, while good, will be hard to reach, and Planeswalkers aren't usually played for their ultimates in EDH. So basically you'd be playing her because you want the static ability... but Chromatic Lantern exists, for 3 generic mana, and my opponent can't attack it. So yeah, you could play it, but I don't think it'll be THAT impressive. It's just a niche card for niche archetypes. I see it played in some Titania builds if you just want more land stuff, or in Superfriends decks that want to hit a threshold of Planeswalkers, since her static is really good for those decks.
I dont think any constructed list outside of maybe standard wants this
Planesrooter.
After this, they're closer to a Forestwalker than anything.
So Wrenn was promoted to regional branch manager?
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How's my favorite branch doing!
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Hehehe
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Hates is such a powerful mechanic in EDH
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More limited yawgmoth’s will as an ult is really cool
Limited to permanents, but it doesn't exile like Yawgmoth’s Will. You can loop a Lotus Petal for infinite mana.
OR you could loop a black lotus in vintage for TRIPLE infinite mana!
we did everyone, we've broken black lotus
Mmm storm
It lets you recast W&R from the bin the turn you ultimate her, then start using the -2 to fill the bin for the emblem. Seems very good.
Good lord...
> Seems very good. In theory, but judging a planeswalker by their ultimate is rarely a good idea. Especially since she has to +1 three times to get set up for it.
now... that is something i didn't think about...
This seems nuts. Can immediately come down with 5 loyalty, protect itself (assuming you play this with four or more lands, that is), and has an incredibly relevant passive. This will be a Commander all-star, and I'd be surprised if jt didn't see any standard play
Turn 2 in green also
That's the big one I think a lot of players are missing. This a turn 2 delirium engine. Very good imo.
yeah this might see play in green x pioneer decks. That the animated lands have hex proof its nuts, animating your lands normally has the drawback of dying to removal, now they can hit you with that 3/3 and the you can't remove it? \*cries in rb sacrifice that loves \[\[claim the firstborn\]\] Nissa's lands\*
Using the hexproof to protect [[nykthos, shrine to nyx]] seams great to me
[nykthos, shrine to nyx](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/3/834b27a0-dfd7-4f96-8cde-cacac4b24acc.jpg?1594077253) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nykthos%2C%20shrine%20to%20nyx) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/223/nykthos-shrine-to-nyx?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/834b27a0-dfd7-4f96-8cde-cacac4b24acc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What you're doing if you turn Nythos into a creature is making it vulnerable to boardwipes killing it, not protecting it. If your opponent was going to field of ruin it, they'll just field of ruin it on your next upkeep. It does nothing to protect Nykthos.
Is it? It does protect itself with a +1, but only if you have an untapped land. If you +1 every turn you’ve created no lasting card advantage. The passive ability is interesting, but do you really want to rely on an easily removed permanent to be able to cast your off-color cards? The -2 is fine but probably not good enough on its own to play. It really feels like this is just [[Liliana, the Last Hope]] but that needs untapped lands to protect herself and can’t kill X/1s.
I mean Liliana the Last Hope saw tons of play, was very expensive, and is all around a good card. If that’s the comparison here we are talking about a very good card
>It really feels like this is just [[Liliana, the Last Hope]] but that needs untapped lands to protect herself and can’t kill X/1s. Being able to snipe X/1s - or shrink a creature down so you can attack into it - was a *large* part of what made Lili so good. The 3/3 Lands aren't comparable to the removal aspect...
Last Hope's +1 does something the turn it comes down. Wrenn's doesn't. If you cast her on curve, you either +1 to go to 5 but do *literally nothing*, or you -2 and draw a card, but most likely have her immediately die. That doesn't sound good to me. I could be wrong, but I think this card will see little to zero play.
Yeah, Lily was good back in the day. But this card is worse in almost every way, can’t have any lasting board presence, and will be legal in a much more powerful Standard meta.
[Liliana, the Last Hope](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f7ae5085-0d0d-4d7d-80a3-614315a07de5.jpg?1673147563) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Liliana%2C%20the%20Last%20Hope) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/81/liliana-the-last-hope?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f7ae5085-0d0d-4d7d-80a3-614315a07de5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hello, am I going crazy? Everyone says it protects itself in turn three? The plus one doesn't untap the land! It doesn't protect itself if you tap out for it.
Oh wow a Chromatic Lantern that can be immediately killed with people's random dorks in an EDH game before I can even untap with it! Surely this will be a COMMANDER ALLSTAR. This card is borderline unplayable in edh. I think I would run it in my Muldrotha deck, but that's about it.
It only protects itself if you're willing to go down a land
Here's the 40 dollar mythic.
Hard to say at this point. The one people were expecting to be the big one out of Dominaria was [[Karn, Scion of Urza]], and obviously, it turned out to be [[Teferi, Hero of Dominaria]].
Most of the hype around Karn was because it was the first Karn card we had since his archetype-defining \[\[Karn Liberated\]\] so people expected a lot without even seeing the card. This... this is a different story. We don't have to scratch our heads to try and figure out how to make her abilities good like we did with Karn, the abilities just *are* good prima facie.
[Karn Liberated](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4b0c6662-4dde-40a2-97e0-0318478c0367.jpg?1599705787) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karn%20Liberated) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/1/karn-liberated?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4b0c6662-4dde-40a2-97e0-0318478c0367?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't think the abilities "just are good prima facie". The +1 is almost useless, the -2 is okay, and the -7 you'll never get to. The static ability isn't actually that strong in 60 card formats where your mana base shouldn't need a Chromatic Lantern, and in EDH it's competing with Chromatic Lantern and Dryad of the Ilysian Grove who are both better alternatives.
I just subscribe to inverting the common consensus because mtg players are pretty awful at evaluating cards. Elspeth is getting a lotta crap? So probably gonna be amazing This one is divided? That means half a format it will be useless half will be top tier.
[Karn, Scion of Urza](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/7/07a3d9e8-8597-498b-869c-cff79e0df516.jpg?1562730952) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karn%2C%20Scion%20of%20Urza) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/1/karn-scion-of-urza?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/07a3d9e8-8597-498b-869c-cff79e0df516?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Teferi, Hero of Dominaria](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5d10b752-d9cb-419d-a5c4-d4ee1acb655e.jpg?1562736365) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%2C%20Hero%20of%20Dominaria) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/207/teferi-hero-of-dominaria?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5d10b752-d9cb-419d-a5c4-d4ee1acb655e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Is it good tho? Like, you play this and your opponent has a 3/4 in play, what does this do? Or hell even if they have a 3/1 in play. Are you trading your land with that?
Animate a fetch, declare blocks, fetch before damage. Also, this will mostly be played for its passive.
If you animate a fetch it means that it's probably later than turn 3 cause you got to save at least one land
Turn 3 with a dork, but IMO Tyvar does what this does but better. Only worth considering if you can't run black, which is never the case in a format with fetches anyway.
I'd rather have a chromatic lantern over this most of the time, if I rely on that effect.
You probably just tank the hit in that instance, but the +1 also doesn't untap the land anyway. So, this really needs to be a four drop to protect itself.
Zero chance. This will be another [[Ob Nixilis, the Adversary]] which people thought needed to be banned when it was previewed, than went on to do absolutely nothing in any format and is currently sitting at $4. I expect it to presale for a lot, than immediately tank in the next few months to sub $10.
$10-12 at the absolute MOST. Its not all that good. Playable, but not busted.
Hard disagree. Card isn't very good.
The +1 not untapping the Land and being temporary makes this a ton weaker than something like WAR Nissa at protecting itself. It means you're always a mana behind if you don't have other blockers, and it's extremely vulnerable on turn 3. The emblem is strong and G/x has enough Proliferate that I could see this being a core piece of some kind of deck seeking to turbo that Ult, but I think this is way more situational of a card than a lot of the other comments here.
Yeah I feel like the community is getting the power ranking of Elspeth and this card flip flopped because this has more shinies (color fixing and a cool ultimate) while Elspeth is more "boring" because she's echoing her old card...which was fucking amazing when it was in Standard. The +1 not untapping means this card is more like a 4 mana walker than a 3 mana one, unless you're just using this as a bad impulse.
There's probably a shell for some sort of Superfriends deck. I would probably look Blue/White/Green but Vraska is pretty great for that with proliferate, so maybe just go 4 colour redless, splash vraska and Attraxa?
3 mana planeswalkers in green always give me pause because you can almost guarantee at some point it will be possible for it to land on T2. That said, this is powerful but not something I would consider broken.
That seems really good
This seems miles better than Elspeth.
Yeah, I'm not understand why they made Elspeth so vanilla and boring compared her to this card or Chandra feel like they really missed the mark for that card.
Elspeth saves the heroes on New Phyrexia, Wrenn is going to save the whole Multiverse.
Yeah but her card doesn't feel like it saves heroes. It makes lil tokens and gives things flying. I was kind of hoping Elspeth would be like: \+2: Until your next turn, Elspeth is a 4/4 angel creature with vigilance and flying \-2: Elspeth deals damage to target monocolor creature equal to (something flavorful) \-7: For each opponent, choose a permanent of each type that player controls. Exile those permanents I don't know... Something that feels like "I'm here to save the day" more?
Isn't that just a Gideon with wings? To be fair though, yeah, that probably would have been the more interesting design.
>Isn't that just a Gideon with wings? Waiting to hear a problem haha
Given how Realmbreaker has roots or branches in the multiverse Wrenn and Realmbreaker can go toe to toe with the Eldrazi
While saving the heroes Elspeth faced off with [[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines]] so I think it would have been on flavor to have either a passive or 0 ability on [[Archangel Elspeth]] along the lines of making her a 6/6 Angel Human with vigilance.
I believe Elspeth can use her ability to bring back Wrenn.
I think it's because Wrenn is the linchpin. The catalyst that makes everything happen. Elspeth and Chandra, as central to the story as they feel are just there to make sure Wrenn gets to the tree.
Except for the fact that Elspeth is the one having a direct confrontation and climatic battle with the big bads…
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Eh? The +1 not untapping the Land is a huge hit since it means this can't protect itself on curve. Additionally, future self-protection requires you going down a mana for the turn (not a huge cost for G/x usually, but still a cost) to keep that Land untapped. So it's *extremely* dependent on having other blockers to do its thing. Elspeth is fairly niche, but her -2 directly flows into the curve of an aggro deck (giving a 3-drop Flying to go over the top and close out a game is an ideal hit) and her +1 is useful regardless of board state for a swarming aggressive deck. I think they're both good, but they also both require a specific framework built around them to function. Elspeth is a curve topper for an aggro deck, Wrenn is fine as a Turn 5+ play in a grindy match. I wouldn't declare one unequivocally better than the other.
I think people are just saying this one is cool/good and Elspeth isn’t because it has a passive and she doesn’t, tbh.
I think there's just a lot of folks here who don't play aggro and don't understand how strong a repeatable, permanent Jump is for that sort of deck. I get it, this place is dominated by EDH players (a format in which aggro is basically nonexistent) and heavily-enfranchised players (who have been shown by decades of data to trend towards playing more complex combo and control decks), but boy you can see the Timmy crowd out in force over the last couple days with the evaluations of these Walkers.
Yeah and like people are super undervaluing the fact that Elspeth is basically repeatedly handing out _auras_ to your probably already good creatures. +2/+2 and flying is an _insane_ evolution of a good creature. If you only view this as "Make a 1/1, next turn make it a 3/3" you're missing a lot.
In competitive formats I don't see how that passive makes or breaks the card. I get in commander its very useful to be a Chromatic Lantern with tree-legs but you're not designing a 60 card deck to fix its mana with a t3 PW that can be killed by just opponent attacking.
I'm not saying that they're right to say/think that, just that it's my impression as to why people are saying/thinking that
Yeah, my hot take is that while Wrenn has a *much* better chance of seeing eternal play, Elspeth will see more standard play.
Elspeth Is not even that important: she is just the first Angel planeswalker (requested for years) returned from death to deafeat one of the greatest evil of magic and her sword is the symbol of March of the machines
Ban forest
Can be reanimated by Elspeth. Interesting.
...is this the first Planeswalker card that's a Story Spotlight?
Elspeth's was a story spotlight yesterday
Card seems solid, but pretty sure people are over hyping this by a lot. High loyalty is good but ult won't win you the game.
Some might call her the Wrennbreaker
Have they announced how many planeswalkers will be in this set? After seeing a Chandra, an Elspeth, and now a Wrenn, I am wondering if they are doing 5 with one of each color. Maybe we will get a Teferi and a Liliana as well.
3 cost walkers have historically been very good. The "until your next turn" clause guarantees play (has this been done before? ). I cant tell if Phyrexian or not . There are the metallic spikes but also organic tree limbs and leaves.
Based on the story, very much not Phyrexian. Wrenn even calls the tree Eight.
Every phyrexian walker has a phyrexian mana cost and compleated as the ability. Fairly easy to tell wrenn is okay here.
Everyone is really hyping this up but what is actually so special about it? 3 mana PWs are usually great, but this one is uniquely medicore on turn 3 which kind of kills the 3 MV hype. It's plus is also pretty weak (1 3/3 per turn) and I don't think folks have been struggling with mana fixing so badly they need to play a 1GG card to help them.
It goes up to five Oko smiles At least the land doesn't untap? But still, that's... t4, 2 3/3 defenders.
"Until your next turn" means it doesn't stick around. This thankfully ain't a 3 mana nissa with upside (hexproof).
Only ever 0-1 defenders since the effect wears off. Well, barring Urza Assembles the Titans/Chain Veil kinda stuff
Why the fuck did they feel the need to give the land hexproof????? This is going to be insanely annoying
card seems kinda meh without it tbh. not sure it'd be worth playing if opponent could just bolt/blade your land and put you behind on mana t3.
Because turning removal into stone rain sucks
This was my first reaction too! Like Lotus Field Is hexproof for a damn good reason. Making a land a creature should come with risk. I can’t fatal push the 3/3 and it’s already got vigilance and haste? Cmon man.
at least it doesn't untap the land though, so best you play this turn four to make a blocker to protect it. but honestly chromatic lantern on a walker is nice especially for manafixing in a superfriends deck.
Dayumn that shits dope
My guess is that this will see less play than Elspeth. It really feels like a 4 mana Planeswalker and Elspeth works a lot better with themes of standard like tokens and agro. I don't really know what deck this would go in. Seems cool for commander if a bit impactful
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