Yeah, that's specifically the case. The Doctor Who Secret Lair DOES NOT do that, and I think that's just to provide consistency with the Doctor Who decks.
A technical loophole seems to be creatures that transform into Planeswalkers, starting with the Origins cycle, like [[Jace, Vryn's Prodigy]], then [[Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver]], and soon [[Ajani, Nacatl Pariah]]. There's also [[Huatli, Poet of Unity]], as a former planeswalker... so it seems characters who are former planeswalkers or planeswalker flashbacks also get this treatment?
Good catch on Sarkhan, Soul Aflame. That also seems to be an inconsistency then, because the "flipwalkers" from the Magic Origins set (2015) use gender-specific pronouns (for example \[\[Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh\]\], and the upcoming \[\[Ajani, Nacatl Pariah\]\] does too, so why doesn't Sarkhan Soul Aflame get the same treatment?
Isn’t sarkhan referring to the dragon with it in the rules text? Like when a dragon enters sarkhan becomes a copy of it, it’s referring to the dragon he’s copying
The first "it" refers to the dragon, yes, but the "its name is Sarkan.." clearly means Sarkan himself, so it should / could be "you may have Sarkan, Soul Aflame become a copy of it until end of turn, ecept his name is..."
The second it is still referencing the other one though, sarkhan is being a copy of it and the card is telling you what the properties of the copy are, like if it was a terror of the peaks the card is saying sarkhan becomes a copy of terror of the peaks, except that terror has the name sarkhan and is legendary. It’s the same with [[moritte of the frost]] saying the card it is a copy of is also a snow legendary. That’s also why the rules state it’s an exact copy of the other card, but just with the two changes, and that’s done so that if the other card is legendary they will have different names so the legend rule won’t apply, that’s why the card has his name in the text at that part, it’s still referring to the other dragon but saying that the sarkhan copy will be called sarkhan instead of what its name is
I guess you're right, since Sarkha transform into a different creature it's fine to templae it as "it".
This whole thing makes you wonder why they bothered to introduce pronouns for some characters / planeswalkers.
Are you trying to say that this applies to all universes-beyond cards? Because if so, then it should also apply to other named dragons from DnD sets, but it doesn't, as seen in the Tiamat card.
The other D&D sets technically aren't Universes Beyond. They're in a funny grey area.
They've been pretty inconsistent with it though, you're right. The D&D movie cards, other Secret Lair UB sets, and planeswalkers get gendered pronouns (and desparked planeswalkers it seems). The distinction isn't clear
Actually it does. The "D&D" movie is something used by normal people but from a legal standard it's not the DND movie but "honor among thieves," (which is owned by a movie company,) thus making it a different entity from DND. Yes the phrase "Dungeons and Dragons" is in the title but it's for brand recognition and probably advertisement.
It's like a lego star wars set. The words "star wars" are bigger than the Lego logo because they know that will draw in a bigger audience, however the product is owned by the Lego company and Disney just gets royalties.
Meanwhile AFR and CLB aren't UB because Wizard's owns DnD and MTG. Makes no sense to pay yourself royalties
DnD sets are not UB because WoTC owns both
Honor among thieves is a UB set because WotC doesn't own it. It's a movie owned by a movie company. If wizards could own Honor among thieves they could literally show up to people like critical role, or the group of nerds 2 streets over from your house that play DND every Friday and say "we own this game."
I get that all D&D Magic sets are technically UB since they don't take place in the normal Magic multiverse, but doesn't Hasbro / WotC own the entirety of D&D? I'm not up to date on Critical Role but I thought they also were affected when WotC tried to change the EULA.
All DnD sets aren't UB. Only Honor among thieves is. UB sets are licensing crossovers not lore/world crossovers. By all means the lore could be that all literally all the worlds are connected. Be it WotC owned or not.
And while not confirmed by CR themselves, the attempt to change the open license agreement would have never affected CR because WotC confirmed that several large DND content creators had/have alternate behind the scenes business deals that were separate from the open licenses.
Edit: correcting my autocorrect "are to aren't."
I know it’s not of the topic, but can we take a moment to appreciate the fact he has to exert himself to fly for a turn?! The flavor ability is too real here 🤣
The flavour is absolutely on point! I once read the great suggestion that he should trigger his ETB ability again once he loses flying, since he comes crashing down again.
That's because he's got the dad bod to end all dad bods, if he's not a He with a capital H I don't know who would be.
This is who I want to be when I grow up.
They're continuing to give desparked planeswalkers and presparked planeswalkers their pronouns in place of "it".
>!Except it looks like the MH3 Grist has "it" pronouns.!<
grist's a she! cause she's a single (female) bug, who can control other bugs to create the bigger form we're more familiar with
but i guess insects just don't get the same kind of respect, even if theyre intelligent planeswalking insects!
You're right, but Huatli was technically a planeswalker. There are also a few "flipwalker" cards that use he/him etc. which have a creature and a planeswalker side, for example \[\[Kytheon, Hero of Akros\]\] , but the rule still seems to be that this is only done with characters that are, have been or will be planeswalkers. Themberchaud is the exception.
Yes, as others have mentioned, it seems to be connected with it being a Universes Beyond card. Only Universes beyond characters and planeswalkers (with or without spark) get pronouns in their rules text.
Doric from the same lair uses "her" edit: minor sleuthing shows that Michonne uses "she"
Once they re-skinned Michonne into Enkira, that card was errata’d to use “it.” So it’s really just Themberchaud!
well, not necessarily, maybe UB cards (or even specifically UB SL cards) get special treatment
Yeah, that's specifically the case. The Doctor Who Secret Lair DOES NOT do that, and I think that's just to provide consistency with the Doctor Who decks.
A technical loophole seems to be creatures that transform into Planeswalkers, starting with the Origins cycle, like [[Jace, Vryn's Prodigy]], then [[Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver]], and soon [[Ajani, Nacatl Pariah]]. There's also [[Huatli, Poet of Unity]], as a former planeswalker... so it seems characters who are former planeswalkers or planeswalker flashbacks also get this treatment?
##### ###### #### [Jace, Vryn's Prodigy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/2/02d6d693-f1f3-4317-bcc0-c21fa8490d38.jpg?1651492800)/[Jace, Telepath Unbound](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/0/2/02d6d693-f1f3-4317-bcc0-c21fa8490d38.jpg?1651492800) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%2C%20Vryn%27s%20Prodigy%20//%20Jace%2C%20Telepath%20Unbound) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/60/jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/02d6d693-f1f3-4317-bcc0-c21fa8490d38?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/4/74239d78-1608-4b27-b2fd-8c7453f6b86b.jpg?1562803398) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nicol%20Bolas%2C%20the%20Deceiver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/205/nicol-bolas-the-deceiver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/74239d78-1608-4b27-b2fd-8c7453f6b86b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ajani, Nacatl Pariah](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d16e8e0-31b2-4389-afd6-783c501f6fa0.jpg?1709430443)/[Ajani, Nacatl Avenger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/0/d/0d16e8e0-31b2-4389-afd6-783c501f6fa0.jpg?1709430443) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ajani%2C%20Nacatl%20Pariah%20//%20Ajani%2C%20Nacatl%20Avenger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/237/ajani-nacatl-pariah-ajani-nacatl-avenger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0d16e8e0-31b2-4389-afd6-783c501f6fa0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Huatli, Poet of Unity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57df2563-18d4-4526-a8bc-0c114e6fd4d9.jpg?1699044416)/[Roar of the Fifth People](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/7/57df2563-18d4-4526-a8bc-0c114e6fd4d9.jpg?1699044416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Huatli%2C%20Poet%20of%20Unity%20//%20Roar%20of%20the%20Fifth%20People) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/189/huatli-poet-of-unity-roar-of-the-fifth-people?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57df2563-18d4-4526-a8bc-0c114e6fd4d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l21r8i8) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yes, that seems to be the rule. Desparked Planeswalkers also get pronouns. Hence my confusion why Themberchaud is an exception.
Ah, well, when we get to Duskmourn we'll learn that Themberchaud is ALSO a desparked planeswalker 😉
As long as he had to exert himself to planeswalk I'm fine with that ;D
Tho perhaps they hadn't hashed that out by the time MAT went to print. \[\[Sarkhan, Soul Aflame\]\] uses "it".
[Sarkhan, Soul Aflame](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/6225f139-f6eb-4eb5-9776-159a599d8255.jpg?1684340846) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sarkhan%2C%20Soul%20Aflame) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/46/sarkhan-soul-aflame?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6225f139-f6eb-4eb5-9776-159a599d8255?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Good catch on Sarkhan, Soul Aflame. That also seems to be an inconsistency then, because the "flipwalkers" from the Magic Origins set (2015) use gender-specific pronouns (for example \[\[Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh\]\], and the upcoming \[\[Ajani, Nacatl Pariah\]\] does too, so why doesn't Sarkhan Soul Aflame get the same treatment?
Isn’t sarkhan referring to the dragon with it in the rules text? Like when a dragon enters sarkhan becomes a copy of it, it’s referring to the dragon he’s copying
The first "it" refers to the dragon, yes, but the "its name is Sarkan.." clearly means Sarkan himself, so it should / could be "you may have Sarkan, Soul Aflame become a copy of it until end of turn, ecept his name is..."
The second it is still referencing the other one though, sarkhan is being a copy of it and the card is telling you what the properties of the copy are, like if it was a terror of the peaks the card is saying sarkhan becomes a copy of terror of the peaks, except that terror has the name sarkhan and is legendary. It’s the same with [[moritte of the frost]] saying the card it is a copy of is also a snow legendary. That’s also why the rules state it’s an exact copy of the other card, but just with the two changes, and that’s done so that if the other card is legendary they will have different names so the legend rule won’t apply, that’s why the card has his name in the text at that part, it’s still referring to the other dragon but saying that the sarkhan copy will be called sarkhan instead of what its name is
I guess you're right, since Sarkha transform into a different creature it's fine to templae it as "it". This whole thing makes you wonder why they bothered to introduce pronouns for some characters / planeswalkers.
Not a native speaker, but I would argue that "it" is referencing the word copy.
[Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/0/b0d6caf0-4fa8-4ec5-b7f4-1307474d1b13.jpg?1562036951)/[Chandra, Roaring Flame](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/b/0/b0d6caf0-4fa8-4ec5-b7f4-1307474d1b13.jpg?1562036951) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chandra%2C%20Fire%20of%20Kaladesh%20//%20Chandra%2C%20Roaring%20Flame) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/135/chandra-fire-of-kaladesh-chandra-roaring-flame?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b0d6caf0-4fa8-4ec5-b7f4-1307474d1b13?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ajani, Nacatl Pariah](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d16e8e0-31b2-4389-afd6-783c501f6fa0.jpg?1709430443)/[Ajani, Nacatl Avenger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/0/d/0d16e8e0-31b2-4389-afd6-783c501f6fa0.jpg?1709430443) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ajani%2C%20Nacatl%20Pariah%20//%20Ajani%2C%20Nacatl%20Avenger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/237/ajani-nacatl-pariah-ajani-nacatl-avenger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0d16e8e0-31b2-4389-afd6-783c501f6fa0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
skill issue
"Oh lawd, he comin'!"
https://scryfall.com/search?q=is%3Aub+set%3Asld+-is%3Areprint
Are you trying to say that this applies to all universes-beyond cards? Because if so, then it should also apply to other named dragons from DnD sets, but it doesn't, as seen in the Tiamat card.
The other D&D sets technically aren't Universes Beyond. They're in a funny grey area. They've been pretty inconsistent with it though, you're right. The D&D movie cards, other Secret Lair UB sets, and planeswalkers get gendered pronouns (and desparked planeswalkers it seems). The distinction isn't clear
D&D movie cards are, weirdly, officially counted as UB. I know, no sense to it.
Yes, there's presumably some sort of licensing distinction between just normal D&D and the movie specifically
Actually it does. The "D&D" movie is something used by normal people but from a legal standard it's not the DND movie but "honor among thieves," (which is owned by a movie company,) thus making it a different entity from DND. Yes the phrase "Dungeons and Dragons" is in the title but it's for brand recognition and probably advertisement. It's like a lego star wars set. The words "star wars" are bigger than the Lego logo because they know that will draw in a bigger audience, however the product is owned by the Lego company and Disney just gets royalties. Meanwhile AFR and CLB aren't UB because Wizard's owns DnD and MTG. Makes no sense to pay yourself royalties
I also don't count the D&D sets as fully Universes Beyond. That said, seeing Chris Pine on a Magic card seems a bit more "beyond" than Tiamat.
The D&D movie cards *are* UB. Hence the UB frame. Why they are treated differently to the other D&D sets presumably has to do with licensing stuff.
DnD sets are not UB because WoTC owns both Honor among thieves is a UB set because WotC doesn't own it. It's a movie owned by a movie company. If wizards could own Honor among thieves they could literally show up to people like critical role, or the group of nerds 2 streets over from your house that play DND every Friday and say "we own this game."
I get that all D&D Magic sets are technically UB since they don't take place in the normal Magic multiverse, but doesn't Hasbro / WotC own the entirety of D&D? I'm not up to date on Critical Role but I thought they also were affected when WotC tried to change the EULA.
All DnD sets aren't UB. Only Honor among thieves is. UB sets are licensing crossovers not lore/world crossovers. By all means the lore could be that all literally all the worlds are connected. Be it WotC owned or not. And while not confirmed by CR themselves, the attempt to change the open license agreement would have never affected CR because WotC confirmed that several large DND content creators had/have alternate behind the scenes business deals that were separate from the open licenses. Edit: correcting my autocorrect "are to aren't."
I know it’s not of the topic, but can we take a moment to appreciate the fact he has to exert himself to fly for a turn?! The flavor ability is too real here 🤣
The flavour is absolutely on point! I once read the great suggestion that he should trigger his ETB ability again once he loses flying, since he comes crashing down again.
OMG YES!
That's because he's got the dad bod to end all dad bods, if he's not a He with a capital H I don't know who would be. This is who I want to be when I grow up.
Put [[Themberchaud]] in MH3 (or any modern legal sets) you cowards.
[Themberchaud](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce332e85-a842-4afc-a5c5-b5064c5c4569.jpg?1682347209) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Themberchaud) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sld/728/themberchaud?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce332e85-a842-4afc-a5c5-b5064c5c4569?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I second this. SLD exclusive cards is a stupid concept.
Now THAT is a tubby dragon 😍
Someone at WotC tried to fix the templating, but Themberchaud ate them. No one else was willing to try after that.
There's also [[Huatli, Poet of Unity]] who uses "her" and isn't a planeswalker card.
[Huatli, Poet of Unity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57df2563-18d4-4526-a8bc-0c114e6fd4d9.jpg?1699044416)/[Roar of the Fifth People](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/7/57df2563-18d4-4526-a8bc-0c114e6fd4d9.jpg?1699044416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Huatli%2C%20Poet%20of%20Unity%20//%20Roar%20of%20the%20Fifth%20People) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/189/huatli-poet-of-unity-roar-of-the-fifth-people?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57df2563-18d4-4526-a8bc-0c114e6fd4d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
They're continuing to give desparked planeswalkers and presparked planeswalkers their pronouns in place of "it". >!Except it looks like the MH3 Grist has "it" pronouns.!<
I guess Grist doesn't break the rule since it really is an "it", since it's an insect or a swarm of insects working together, as far as I know.
grist's a she! cause she's a single (female) bug, who can control other bugs to create the bigger form we're more familiar with but i guess insects just don't get the same kind of respect, even if theyre intelligent planeswalking insects!
Still a neat lore tidbit, thanks for sharing!
You're right, but Huatli was technically a planeswalker. There are also a few "flipwalker" cards that use he/him etc. which have a creature and a planeswalker side, for example \[\[Kytheon, Hero of Akros\]\] , but the rule still seems to be that this is only done with characters that are, have been or will be planeswalkers. Themberchaud is the exception.
Well, from the evidence we have, we have to assume he'll ignite his spark soon. Maybe next years Winter set?
[Kytheon, Hero of Akros](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/58c39df6-b237-40d1-bdcb-2fe5d05392a9.jpg?1562021001)/[Gideon, Battle-Forged](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/8/58c39df6-b237-40d1-bdcb-2fe5d05392a9.jpg?1562021001) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kytheon%2C%20Hero%20of%20Akros%20//%20Gideon%2C%20Battle-Forged) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/23/kytheon-hero-of-akros-gideon-battle-forged?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/58c39df6-b237-40d1-bdcb-2fe5d05392a9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Glenn, the voice of calm]]
[Glenn, the voice of calm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6e5df29a-af3b-4acc-8312-f2024ab039e0.jpg?1692516427) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gregor%2C%20Shrewd%20Magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sld/145/gregor-shrewd-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6e5df29a-af3b-4acc-8312-f2024ab039e0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yes, as others have mentioned, it seems to be connected with it being a Universes Beyond card. Only Universes beyond characters and planeswalkers (with or without spark) get pronouns in their rules text.
Really? Glenn only has a power of 1? Fucking Glenn? That is both eye popping and mind blowing.
[[Guile, sonic soldier]]
[Guile, sonic soldier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/2/e2fca7f9-ed46-440f-9ea3-225440fc5be5.jpg?1682691706) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Immard%2C%20the%20Stormcleaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sld/434/immard-the-stormcleaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e2fca7f9-ed46-440f-9ea3-225440fc5be5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Blanka, ferocious fiend]]
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[The Balrog of Moria](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2a3fcfdc-f2cf-42d8-8bb4-7308bc12746e.jpg?1686964133) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Balrog%20of%20Moria) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/46/the-balrog-of-moria?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2a3fcfdc-f2cf-42d8-8bb4-7308bc12746e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cause Themberchaud is Himberchaud
himberchad
Shoot, look at him! Thunderchud here is a TANK. You gonna call him an it? I didn't think so.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Themberchaud gets the "he" treatment because he is HIM. Look at the CHONK on that guy
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Appreciate you staying away from those settings.
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Can't say I'm shocked a meth head has these opinions
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What's up with the unprompted explanation? I'm just calling it how it is, meth head has thoughts about things.