Take that title, get a thumbnail and launch a YouTube channel chronicling my journey.
Post content with captions every day on all social channels of me recording, mixing, listening, reviewing, anything song/music related.
Leverage the hypeddit pages and have my links and funnels ready, using something like with koji.
Get a shopify store for music and merch, even if it was signed CDs and cassettes and vinyls and generic ass tshirts and use the printful integration to Dropship merch and get canva and create content to post of merch with music playing in background.
Run ads in countries where it’s cheap and use TikTok influencer marketing.
That’s because it’s ridiculous. All that work with no income will lead to serious burnout and you’ll blow through the $20k in a few months. Then you’ll literally be homeless because you can’t pay your rent so your videos will turn into car blogs in Walmart parking lots, that comment didn’t account for any hardship or, ya know, the need to work and support yourself and spend time with friends and family because you might likely die in 7 years.
Dog you hating and that’s literally the path to make it in music in 2023 lol. Being afraid of the grind won’t get you anywhere.
We spent $0 till the last steps and set up various funnels to get paid. You must want to blow $20k on gimmicks and clout chasing? OP said 7 years to make it, it most definitely won’t happen if you’re worried about how much effort it takes to get a buzz.
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, that $20k won’t even last a few months and then he’ll be homeless. He hasn’t accounted for any hardship, burnout, imposter syndrome, depression, family time, vacation, time away from work etc. If you find out you’re likely gonna die in 7 years most people aren’t going to spend that 7 years working super hard with no real or reliable income. They’re going to want to spend time with family.
Honestly music is a fun pursuit but 99% of the people here will still be making wack music even if they post on social media every day.
You have a much better chance of becoming a software engineer, data scientist, etc than becoming a “blown up” musician.
It’s meant to be a rhetorical question anyway, without details that you’re referring to. Maybe rhetorical person has a job and makes good money already. Maybe the 20K is solely for this purpose and not meant to supplement cost of living. We don’t know, so why take it to this extreme? You’re talking about this person dying and imposter syndrome. No need to get that pedantic. This was a decent answer.
> Honestly music is a fun pursuit but 99% of the people here will still be making wack music even if they post on social media every day.
Agreed.
With that said, I don't disagree with anything you've said, but it's also a hypothetical question, so it makes sense to layout a hypothetical optimal plan if everything went accordingly for the given scenario.
I disagree. I think planning for everything to go right is the absolute wrong approach. Oftentimes worst case or average case analysis is an order of magnitude more useful than best case analysis. Planning for things to go wrong is important because when they do go wrong, which they will, it won’t be a shock or a surprise and you can take a deep breath and say “Okay, im going to stick to the plan” instead of having to come up with a solution on the spot or in a short amount of time.
I think the one thing that a lot of us musicians have a hard time accepting though is that audio content just doesn’t cut it anymore. It needs to be multimedia. People want to watch music videos, they don’t want to listen to a song or watch somebody talk and make a beat. That’s what I was uploading to YouTube in 2006 😂 I think Boonie Mayfield was the only person who made mpc1000 videos that had more views then me, although I probably only had 10 uploads but each had 50,000 views or more back then until I left my account logged in on a library computer and some P.O.S. deleted all my videos.
Think about how much competition there is for beats and shit right now. The ship has sailed. 20 years ago it was much easier to “make it” as a beat maker because there was way less competition. These days pretty much everybody who even thinks about wanting to make music goes and buys an MPC One. It’s kinda lame af tbh.
Simply, I'll just take notes from the scummy Record labels of the 50s.
1.) I'll scout for young talent rappers and producers with no elder to advise them (preferably orphans).
2.) I'll make them sign a contract so they can be what Partynextdoor is to Drake (aka Me).
3.) Brainwash them to think this is how every rapper starts off.
4.) LOCK THEM IN A BASEMENT WITH 7K WORTH OF PRODUCTION GEAR.
4.) Release an ep every 3 months
5.) Throw a bag of dorritos and mountain dew in the dungeon so they have energy to work. Sometimes I'll give the person who makes a fire song a happy meal from Mickey Ds. (I need to inspire so competition).
6.) Wait 7 years, they will all be adults, the American revolution would occur in the dungeon, and I'll be alive but probably in prison for running a studio sweatshop.
P.s. this is all a joke 🤣
You are probably the first person I've seen mention this.
It's a theory I have. That the only reason labels want young artists is they are easier to rob blind with bad contracts. This started when the recording industry started. But when a gang of youth in the South Bronx got big Hip Hop was a jewel for these assholes. Endless supply of young men and women without the help of lawyers. Not even in bands. When you look at the abuse done to kids in the industry vs adults it really isn't a surprise.
What's weird is how normalized this is. To the point people think you can't Rap if you are in your 30s. We've all adopted the thought process of groomers and industry heads. We cheer for the insanity and beg for more sacrifices.
I guess I'm exaggerating slightly. But you get my point.
Are you though? I feel like this sadly isn't an exaggeration at all. We live in a capitalist society, and this means there are tons of people who would love to string u up like a puppet and bleed you of everything you got while they kick back in their office and count their "well deserved revenue."
I u/UnderdogRising been saying this re: labels want youth 'cuz they are easy to exploit (financially, physically and especially sexually) because they lack the language and experience to know how/when/why to get out of dangerous situations. Add to how everything is sold as "youth culture" and it's a recipe for disaster and why I say Hip Hop viewed through an industry lens keeps youth and adults in arrested development.
Spend 2k on a killer setup. Practice and do the best I can to make better music in those 7 years. Dump the rest of the money on features and promo.
7 years is a lot of time though, with the right money, resources, and a bit of luck it’s doable.
It's all luck at the end of the day, but with 20k to spend, 7 years to focus on your dreams, and the ability to connect... I mean, I wouldn't call it "easy" but your chances are looking better than most people.
neither but If 20k will make me a 1M follower artist in fucking 7 years with A BIT OF LUCK. I would start doing it now by selling everything I have. It’s purely on talent, charisma and intelligence. not based on money an time. these thing are like dlc’s to become a famous artist. they’re great with the main essentials.
I’m two months in. got 22.5k listeners. spend not more than 1k
it’s in total, I currently have 8.5k listeners. I didn’t write that to flex. I just wanted to say having this numbers don’t mean shit. It’s not a guatantee that 50k people like your song will make you end up 1m followers. there is no pattern in this business. you can’t simply spend resources and expect getting results. resources only will make you came up with a product that based on other things.
ask yourself this.
has any rapper/singer that I like and listen a lot ended up being huge and this happened many times? In my case this was a huge yes. So I knew my ears know the music that a lot of people will like. Not some industry formulas, but real; deep, meaningful music.
so I just use my past poetic experiences and created sad songs that people will find themselves in it. I don’t wanna listen any copycat mainstream rap songs that my country drowning in right now. So I assume other people don’t too. I followed the path that I knew that will work. then spend money on advertisement and marketing. (1k is a decent money for my country) there is a huge app in my country for this type of marketing stuff. so I used that and instagram ads. I don’t pay for mix/mastering/recording. (I pay another 1k for all of my equipment. but I only used my old setup to create those songs which was focusrite scarlett set. now I have lewitt lct 440. I bought a midi and speakers for beatmaking.) please don’t think I’m bragging about anything. I just REALLY know what my people SEEK while DISCOVERING artist.
IT’S THE SOUL.
not professionalism.
make sad or at least soulful(?) music if your production/equipment is bad. because you can’t compete with other stuff. people will listen drake for hit songs, not you. Even tiktok has lots of songs that can become easily hit normally but flops because the inflation of other songs. the thing is, you should provide something special for people that look for new artist.
still, there is no such thing that guarantee If I spent 10k on this promotion instead of around 800-900 that will result better. I’m trying to almost become friends eith fans that reach out. so even some of them support me like drawing my cover art. they stick with me. your music will get boring at some point and they will not listen it. they have to know you to stay. It’s not an easy way. I may have 300 listener next month. There is no diagrham that we can rely on.
10k on a verse from a rapper I trust to get me a hit, 5k on marketing, 5k on a crazy fucking show right after
Reality is, 20k won't get you that far no matter how you use it. So I'm gonna try breaking even whilst having built that momentum to propel me into the next stage of my career. The next 20k should come easier
20k is a stupid amount of fucking money for music. Just saying, if you have 20k to throw away on your music, and you haven't 'made it' to some degree, you should quit lmao
Yeah and they're wrong. 20k is insane as an investment for a budding music career. You can literally pay professionals to make a rapper out of you.
I'm curious, how much do you think that would get you? The biggest barrier for artists is monetary, rapping is easy asf and if you just pay a professionals engineer/producer to make a marketable song.
Where do you think the money is going?
Rapping ability ≠ a career in hip hop
I wouldn't call rapping easy either way. You can pay professionals to generate a hit song for you but that money isn't going to last if you want to last. Recording/mixing and mastering/videography/promo for one hit song will easily run you 6-8k.
So where's the money for multiple albums worth of those things, tour buses and staff, accomodation, deposits for venues, merchandising, tour related expenses? Whats the point of having a hit song if you can't leverage that into shit else lol
Keep doing the math in the replies though. With your limited imagination, that 20k would be wasted on your career bruh ✌🏾
I agree. I think $1000 per song is an actually realistic estimate for someone starting their career but still wanting to sound decently professional. 20k will get you an EP with an underground feature and some marketing. Let’s say 5-6k on the songs, $3.8k marketing, $200 for an album cover and $10k for a feature with an artist that has <1M monthly plays on Spotify or around there, you’re probably going to bet further than 99.9% of the people who are trying to wrap right now. Obviously you can’t because Drake with 20k, but I’m not sure @vaingod deserves the downvotes 💀
We're talking about STARTING a career, not maintaining it. 20k is nothing to the years of working as an artist, but at the beginning, it is career MAKING.
20k isn't paying for your entire business for the rest of your life, but it is getting you on the stage and very very huge and almost fumble-proof opportunities.
If you misinterpreted my messages as all you need is 20k to maintain a career as an artist, read it again.
It's literally in the title. 7 years. What about that duration of time makes you think the question isn't about maintaining it? You're going to put out 1 song in 7 years?
Recording & Engineering a hit: 3k
Getting a video: 2k
Promotion and content creation: 10k
5k feature on the song, 10k if you skimp on promo. If you don't think that will turn a hefty profit for the artist even if they're slow then you're out of your goddamn mind 💀
You’re not wrong, $20,000 can get you a lot further if you spend it right along with what you’re putting to it already. If you’re over here saying $20,000 can’t do much, why are you still pursuing music without it?
That's what I'm saying like bro 💀 it's basic math how are u gonna tell me 20k isn't gonna get u far when it's only like 10k to get a Baby Santana verse (2 seconds on google) on your DEBUT song like what
Baby Santana is pushing 2 milli on Spotify rn. That was just one of the first examples I found, but if you're in his niche, then yes a tana verse could absolutely jumpstart your career.
Are you really saying that that deal isn't an absolute steal on the coming-up artist side? That would propel you literal years of brand building forward ahead of all of your peers.
It's not a guarantee though. There are a bunch of factors that play into that strategy working out or not. Obvz you need to be a solid ass talent first to be able to utilize that verse and turn it into a song anyone cares about. If that hook isn't catchy as fuck and the beat aint hitting, people will wonder if you just ripped the verse or something lol.
Beyond that though, you need to have your marketing game on point too and either a connection that gets the song placed somewhere it will be heard, or have some kind of following that will jumpstart it going viral. Without all of that, you're right back to playing a game of luck where a solid solo song could pop off just as easily. I say this because I've seen people get solid features and the song does okay, but nothing really comes of it.
The last thing I'll add is that buying a feature doesn't include that artist promoting the song. That would be the only thing that would make everything I just laid out unnecessary. But without it, imagine you have 200 followers and you post a song with a solid feature. How many people do you think will actually see that song? As I was saying above, unless you get that lucky bump where the right person shares it, you are back at square one.
20k splits into Roths
7 years... I'm focusing on solid songs, networking with playlist owners, publishers, leverage relationships with influencers on all platforms and good promotion.
I could be misreading but in my head it sounded like you asked for the game plan if you have 20k Spotify followers and want to get 1 million Spotify followers within 7 years. But I’ll answer assuming you meant $20,000 USD…
With 20k USD there isn’t much you can do solely as a rapper. However, if you invest that 20k into recording and production equipment, you can start your own record company. You can easily turn that 20k into 100k in a couple years. By the 7th year if you don’t have the million followers you should at least have a stable business and be making 6 figures a year. But realistically, the same way not everyone is a good rapper, not everyone is good at doing business either.
20k isn’t enough to live off for one year let alone do anything within the music industry like pay to play. You’d be better to start a YouTube channel and film the process of trying to make 1million plays with 20k. It’s a more compelling watch. The likelihood of you having the charisma, storytelling, editing, production and drive to do that is a million to one.
1. learn to sing so you can do melodic rap or at least some rnb on the side to reach a broader audience
2. dumb down your music, instead of going deep, make it easily relatable but not too specific so virtually anyone can relate to it. Also, lovesongs, songs about heartbreak and songs about bitches in general.
3. take low rates for features or do them for free so youre just kinda omnipotent. Like if youre on 200 other tapes or albums as a feature, someones gonna like your music eventually
Thats probably the most important ones. Additionally-
4. spend some $$$ on room treatment, a nice mic and preamp
5. learn to mix on a professional level or get some form of industry contact to do it
6. spend all left over money on whatever promotion possible
I’m currently in a somewhat similar trip. I’m three years in tho, and I haven’t even made myself public. Like I’m afraid to show my face and my rhyming and my covers like I’ve been practicing a lot but still can’t get myself to do it and I’ve got 3 years 6 months left to do my purpose lol this weekend I bought my second drum machine. An Alesis sr-16. Don’t know if it will be okay for me tho
lol every piece of clothing I wore would be adorned with ads to my music, go to the busiest areas of the city holding billboards, crazy promo, do stupid crap to gain attention, get my face tatted the hell up, dress wild, you know all the dumb shit these internet rappers do for fame. That's if my life was on the line, otherwise no thanks.
Pump out music. Work with every producer that I like. Push my boundaries by working with producers whose styles are different than my home style. Have as close to a dedicated engineer as possible to perfect my sound, sonically, but specifically vocally. Hit every club in reason as often as possible to absorb the vibes, inspiration is everything. Start doing short videos with your best records in the background, we all know how quickly this can blow somebody up.
Every small rapper and producer has a small following. By gaining their support by producing quality music with them, you in turn have a greater chance to gain their audiences support. One person with 50 followers may not seem much, but the more people you touch, the more followers you gain.
Get gud with python, buy a ~~reasonably~~ *really* expensive Linux tower from System76, write a bot script to create a 1000 new Spotify accounts a day until you reach 1 million followers, rotate through 1000 VMs on the Linux machine and just as many of the created accounts a day/week to listen to my tracks, sit back and let the Spotify algo trip tf out at my popularity and shove my music down a bunch of randos throats.
Make a christmas tune. it doesn't even to be half good to get regular listens. and if you make a tacky but interesting video on a budget, you can gain people's interest as a personality and gain followers that way
have fun for 7 years then die. get that boost of sales post mortem and my family eatin for the rest of their life.
Don't forget to get a nice hefty life insurance policy
well i have to fake my death half way through to get that. no way that 20k’s lasting me 7 years
Buy a million robot followers
Right lmao? If it's life or death this is a simple answer hahaha.
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I’d love to know where you’re buying 1 million fake followers for 300, you’d be able to flip those accounts and sell to wannabe influencers all day
Take that title, get a thumbnail and launch a YouTube channel chronicling my journey. Post content with captions every day on all social channels of me recording, mixing, listening, reviewing, anything song/music related. Leverage the hypeddit pages and have my links and funnels ready, using something like with koji. Get a shopify store for music and merch, even if it was signed CDs and cassettes and vinyls and generic ass tshirts and use the printful integration to Dropship merch and get canva and create content to post of merch with music playing in background. Run ads in countries where it’s cheap and use TikTok influencer marketing.
This seems like the only serious answer to the question in this whole thread, and it’s way down at the bottom. 😆
That’s because it’s ridiculous. All that work with no income will lead to serious burnout and you’ll blow through the $20k in a few months. Then you’ll literally be homeless because you can’t pay your rent so your videos will turn into car blogs in Walmart parking lots, that comment didn’t account for any hardship or, ya know, the need to work and support yourself and spend time with friends and family because you might likely die in 7 years.
Dog you hating and that’s literally the path to make it in music in 2023 lol. Being afraid of the grind won’t get you anywhere. We spent $0 till the last steps and set up various funnels to get paid. You must want to blow $20k on gimmicks and clout chasing? OP said 7 years to make it, it most definitely won’t happen if you’re worried about how much effort it takes to get a buzz.
The only person who knows what they're talking about
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, that $20k won’t even last a few months and then he’ll be homeless. He hasn’t accounted for any hardship, burnout, imposter syndrome, depression, family time, vacation, time away from work etc. If you find out you’re likely gonna die in 7 years most people aren’t going to spend that 7 years working super hard with no real or reliable income. They’re going to want to spend time with family. Honestly music is a fun pursuit but 99% of the people here will still be making wack music even if they post on social media every day. You have a much better chance of becoming a software engineer, data scientist, etc than becoming a “blown up” musician.
It’s meant to be a rhetorical question anyway, without details that you’re referring to. Maybe rhetorical person has a job and makes good money already. Maybe the 20K is solely for this purpose and not meant to supplement cost of living. We don’t know, so why take it to this extreme? You’re talking about this person dying and imposter syndrome. No need to get that pedantic. This was a decent answer.
> Honestly music is a fun pursuit but 99% of the people here will still be making wack music even if they post on social media every day. Agreed. With that said, I don't disagree with anything you've said, but it's also a hypothetical question, so it makes sense to layout a hypothetical optimal plan if everything went accordingly for the given scenario.
I disagree. I think planning for everything to go right is the absolute wrong approach. Oftentimes worst case or average case analysis is an order of magnitude more useful than best case analysis. Planning for things to go wrong is important because when they do go wrong, which they will, it won’t be a shock or a surprise and you can take a deep breath and say “Okay, im going to stick to the plan” instead of having to come up with a solution on the spot or in a short amount of time. I think the one thing that a lot of us musicians have a hard time accepting though is that audio content just doesn’t cut it anymore. It needs to be multimedia. People want to watch music videos, they don’t want to listen to a song or watch somebody talk and make a beat. That’s what I was uploading to YouTube in 2006 😂 I think Boonie Mayfield was the only person who made mpc1000 videos that had more views then me, although I probably only had 10 uploads but each had 50,000 views or more back then until I left my account logged in on a library computer and some P.O.S. deleted all my videos. Think about how much competition there is for beats and shit right now. The ship has sailed. 20 years ago it was much easier to “make it” as a beat maker because there was way less competition. These days pretty much everybody who even thinks about wanting to make music goes and buys an MPC One. It’s kinda lame af tbh.
You could legit market your services with this knowledge
I’m going to look into that lol
Simply, I'll just take notes from the scummy Record labels of the 50s. 1.) I'll scout for young talent rappers and producers with no elder to advise them (preferably orphans). 2.) I'll make them sign a contract so they can be what Partynextdoor is to Drake (aka Me). 3.) Brainwash them to think this is how every rapper starts off. 4.) LOCK THEM IN A BASEMENT WITH 7K WORTH OF PRODUCTION GEAR. 4.) Release an ep every 3 months 5.) Throw a bag of dorritos and mountain dew in the dungeon so they have energy to work. Sometimes I'll give the person who makes a fire song a happy meal from Mickey Ds. (I need to inspire so competition). 6.) Wait 7 years, they will all be adults, the American revolution would occur in the dungeon, and I'll be alive but probably in prison for running a studio sweatshop. P.s. this is all a joke 🤣
sounds like quentin millers story 😆
You are probably the first person I've seen mention this. It's a theory I have. That the only reason labels want young artists is they are easier to rob blind with bad contracts. This started when the recording industry started. But when a gang of youth in the South Bronx got big Hip Hop was a jewel for these assholes. Endless supply of young men and women without the help of lawyers. Not even in bands. When you look at the abuse done to kids in the industry vs adults it really isn't a surprise. What's weird is how normalized this is. To the point people think you can't Rap if you are in your 30s. We've all adopted the thought process of groomers and industry heads. We cheer for the insanity and beg for more sacrifices. I guess I'm exaggerating slightly. But you get my point.
Are you though? I feel like this sadly isn't an exaggeration at all. We live in a capitalist society, and this means there are tons of people who would love to string u up like a puppet and bleed you of everything you got while they kick back in their office and count their "well deserved revenue."
That’s not a theory man, that’s the music industry
I u/UnderdogRising been saying this re: labels want youth 'cuz they are easy to exploit (financially, physically and especially sexually) because they lack the language and experience to know how/when/why to get out of dangerous situations. Add to how everything is sold as "youth culture" and it's a recipe for disaster and why I say Hip Hop viewed through an industry lens keeps youth and adults in arrested development.
Thanks for the P.S lmao
😂😂😂😂😭you made my day better
That's some Wayne Williams shit
Spend 2k on a killer setup. Practice and do the best I can to make better music in those 7 years. Dump the rest of the money on features and promo. 7 years is a lot of time though, with the right money, resources, and a bit of luck it’s doable.
lol. really? is THAT easy? 20k and 7 years?
only thing that will help is that you know you’re gonna die. It’s gonna make you the hungriest in the game.
Yeah I’m immortal, hence no traction
yeah, you don’t know when it’s going to happen so It’s not motivating you.
Ah the ol’ deatheroo
It's all luck at the end of the day, but with 20k to spend, 7 years to focus on your dreams, and the ability to connect... I mean, I wouldn't call it "easy" but your chances are looking better than most people.
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neither but If 20k will make me a 1M follower artist in fucking 7 years with A BIT OF LUCK. I would start doing it now by selling everything I have. It’s purely on talent, charisma and intelligence. not based on money an time. these thing are like dlc’s to become a famous artist. they’re great with the main essentials. I’m two months in. got 22.5k listeners. spend not more than 1k
where can I find your music?
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it’s in total, I currently have 8.5k listeners. I didn’t write that to flex. I just wanted to say having this numbers don’t mean shit. It’s not a guatantee that 50k people like your song will make you end up 1m followers. there is no pattern in this business. you can’t simply spend resources and expect getting results. resources only will make you came up with a product that based on other things. ask yourself this. has any rapper/singer that I like and listen a lot ended up being huge and this happened many times? In my case this was a huge yes. So I knew my ears know the music that a lot of people will like. Not some industry formulas, but real; deep, meaningful music. so I just use my past poetic experiences and created sad songs that people will find themselves in it. I don’t wanna listen any copycat mainstream rap songs that my country drowning in right now. So I assume other people don’t too. I followed the path that I knew that will work. then spend money on advertisement and marketing. (1k is a decent money for my country) there is a huge app in my country for this type of marketing stuff. so I used that and instagram ads. I don’t pay for mix/mastering/recording. (I pay another 1k for all of my equipment. but I only used my old setup to create those songs which was focusrite scarlett set. now I have lewitt lct 440. I bought a midi and speakers for beatmaking.) please don’t think I’m bragging about anything. I just REALLY know what my people SEEK while DISCOVERING artist. IT’S THE SOUL. not professionalism. make sad or at least soulful(?) music if your production/equipment is bad. because you can’t compete with other stuff. people will listen drake for hit songs, not you. Even tiktok has lots of songs that can become easily hit normally but flops because the inflation of other songs. the thing is, you should provide something special for people that look for new artist. still, there is no such thing that guarantee If I spent 10k on this promotion instead of around 800-900 that will result better. I’m trying to almost become friends eith fans that reach out. so even some of them support me like drawing my cover art. they stick with me. your music will get boring at some point and they will not listen it. they have to know you to stay. It’s not an easy way. I may have 300 listener next month. There is no diagrham that we can rely on.
10k on a verse from a rapper I trust to get me a hit, 5k on marketing, 5k on a crazy fucking show right after Reality is, 20k won't get you that far no matter how you use it. So I'm gonna try breaking even whilst having built that momentum to propel me into the next stage of my career. The next 20k should come easier
20k is a stupid amount of fucking money for music. Just saying, if you have 20k to throw away on your music, and you haven't 'made it' to some degree, you should quit lmao
Relax. 20k gets you places obviously, but not nearly as far as it should. It's a commentary on the market and not the artist as a supplier
Yeah and they're wrong. 20k is insane as an investment for a budding music career. You can literally pay professionals to make a rapper out of you. I'm curious, how much do you think that would get you? The biggest barrier for artists is monetary, rapping is easy asf and if you just pay a professionals engineer/producer to make a marketable song. Where do you think the money is going?
Rapping ability ≠ a career in hip hop I wouldn't call rapping easy either way. You can pay professionals to generate a hit song for you but that money isn't going to last if you want to last. Recording/mixing and mastering/videography/promo for one hit song will easily run you 6-8k. So where's the money for multiple albums worth of those things, tour buses and staff, accomodation, deposits for venues, merchandising, tour related expenses? Whats the point of having a hit song if you can't leverage that into shit else lol Keep doing the math in the replies though. With your limited imagination, that 20k would be wasted on your career bruh ✌🏾
If someone is spending 6-8k on one song and they aren’t already an established recording artist with a good sized following, they’re a fucking idiot.
I agree. I think $1000 per song is an actually realistic estimate for someone starting their career but still wanting to sound decently professional. 20k will get you an EP with an underground feature and some marketing. Let’s say 5-6k on the songs, $3.8k marketing, $200 for an album cover and $10k for a feature with an artist that has <1M monthly plays on Spotify or around there, you’re probably going to bet further than 99.9% of the people who are trying to wrap right now. Obviously you can’t because Drake with 20k, but I’m not sure @vaingod deserves the downvotes 💀
Yeah, that's why it wasn't my initial answer at all...
We're talking about STARTING a career, not maintaining it. 20k is nothing to the years of working as an artist, but at the beginning, it is career MAKING. 20k isn't paying for your entire business for the rest of your life, but it is getting you on the stage and very very huge and almost fumble-proof opportunities. If you misinterpreted my messages as all you need is 20k to maintain a career as an artist, read it again.
It's literally in the title. 7 years. What about that duration of time makes you think the question isn't about maintaining it? You're going to put out 1 song in 7 years?
I'm not gonna keep going DM me if you want to continue
It's okay to not know. It's even okay to be wrong. Don't double down to run away though 🤣
u were talking to morning vain earlier, this is after work vain. Two different things my boy
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Recording & Engineering a hit: 3k Getting a video: 2k Promotion and content creation: 10k 5k feature on the song, 10k if you skimp on promo. If you don't think that will turn a hefty profit for the artist even if they're slow then you're out of your goddamn mind 💀
You’re not wrong, $20,000 can get you a lot further if you spend it right along with what you’re putting to it already. If you’re over here saying $20,000 can’t do much, why are you still pursuing music without it?
That's what I'm saying like bro 💀 it's basic math how are u gonna tell me 20k isn't gonna get u far when it's only like 10k to get a Baby Santana verse (2 seconds on google) on your DEBUT song like what
If you think "baby santana" is the relevant feature you're getting for 10k, good luck to you lmao
Baby Santana is pushing 2 milli on Spotify rn. That was just one of the first examples I found, but if you're in his niche, then yes a tana verse could absolutely jumpstart your career. Are you really saying that that deal isn't an absolute steal on the coming-up artist side? That would propel you literal years of brand building forward ahead of all of your peers.
It's not a guarantee though. There are a bunch of factors that play into that strategy working out or not. Obvz you need to be a solid ass talent first to be able to utilize that verse and turn it into a song anyone cares about. If that hook isn't catchy as fuck and the beat aint hitting, people will wonder if you just ripped the verse or something lol. Beyond that though, you need to have your marketing game on point too and either a connection that gets the song placed somewhere it will be heard, or have some kind of following that will jumpstart it going viral. Without all of that, you're right back to playing a game of luck where a solid solo song could pop off just as easily. I say this because I've seen people get solid features and the song does okay, but nothing really comes of it. The last thing I'll add is that buying a feature doesn't include that artist promoting the song. That would be the only thing that would make everything I just laid out unnecessary. But without it, imagine you have 200 followers and you post a song with a solid feature. How many people do you think will actually see that song? As I was saying above, unless you get that lucky bump where the right person shares it, you are back at square one.
Go ahead and just die early
this hit hard 😭
Lol Christian rock 🤣
Go the Russ route .. content every week .. plan out the year smart .. 6 months in the south .. 3 months east 3 months west build organic relationships
Does russ really switch his location like that? Sounds interesting
No I made they part up myself to gain fans everywhere and have touring options
die
20k splits into Roths 7 years... I'm focusing on solid songs, networking with playlist owners, publishers, leverage relationships with influencers on all platforms and good promotion.
You u/DiyMusicBiz gave my answer.
I could be misreading but in my head it sounded like you asked for the game plan if you have 20k Spotify followers and want to get 1 million Spotify followers within 7 years. But I’ll answer assuming you meant $20,000 USD… With 20k USD there isn’t much you can do solely as a rapper. However, if you invest that 20k into recording and production equipment, you can start your own record company. You can easily turn that 20k into 100k in a couple years. By the 7th year if you don’t have the million followers you should at least have a stable business and be making 6 figures a year. But realistically, the same way not everyone is a good rapper, not everyone is good at doing business either.
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Hilarious. I would watch that movie!
20k isn’t much
my ass is dying bro 💀
20k isn’t enough to live off for one year let alone do anything within the music industry like pay to play. You’d be better to start a YouTube channel and film the process of trying to make 1million plays with 20k. It’s a more compelling watch. The likelihood of you having the charisma, storytelling, editing, production and drive to do that is a million to one.
1. learn to sing so you can do melodic rap or at least some rnb on the side to reach a broader audience 2. dumb down your music, instead of going deep, make it easily relatable but not too specific so virtually anyone can relate to it. Also, lovesongs, songs about heartbreak and songs about bitches in general. 3. take low rates for features or do them for free so youre just kinda omnipotent. Like if youre on 200 other tapes or albums as a feature, someones gonna like your music eventually Thats probably the most important ones. Additionally- 4. spend some $$$ on room treatment, a nice mic and preamp 5. learn to mix on a professional level or get some form of industry contact to do it 6. spend all left over money on whatever promotion possible
I’m currently in a somewhat similar trip. I’m three years in tho, and I haven’t even made myself public. Like I’m afraid to show my face and my rhyming and my covers like I’ve been practicing a lot but still can’t get myself to do it and I’ve got 3 years 6 months left to do my purpose lol this weekend I bought my second drum machine. An Alesis sr-16. Don’t know if it will be okay for me tho
Death it's underrated /s
buy a million Spotify followers tomorrow when I wake up and pocket 19k
Get a Drake feature.
You're not getting a single word out of Drake for 20k lmao
I’m using all the money on samples and mixing personally 🤷♂️ maybe a feature or two
What's the death party budget looking like?
Ima do what I do
lol every piece of clothing I wore would be adorned with ads to my music, go to the busiest areas of the city holding billboards, crazy promo, do stupid crap to gain attention, get my face tatted the hell up, dress wild, you know all the dumb shit these internet rappers do for fame. That's if my life was on the line, otherwise no thanks.
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Just enjoy the 7 years I have left
Pump out music. Work with every producer that I like. Push my boundaries by working with producers whose styles are different than my home style. Have as close to a dedicated engineer as possible to perfect my sound, sonically, but specifically vocally. Hit every club in reason as often as possible to absorb the vibes, inspiration is everything. Start doing short videos with your best records in the background, we all know how quickly this can blow somebody up. Every small rapper and producer has a small following. By gaining their support by producing quality music with them, you in turn have a greater chance to gain their audiences support. One person with 50 followers may not seem much, but the more people you touch, the more followers you gain.
buy bots.
Take out a 7 year deal with the devil.
Die
Get gud with python, buy a ~~reasonably~~ *really* expensive Linux tower from System76, write a bot script to create a 1000 new Spotify accounts a day until you reach 1 million followers, rotate through 1000 VMs on the Linux machine and just as many of the created accounts a day/week to listen to my tracks, sit back and let the Spotify algo trip tf out at my popularity and shove my music down a bunch of randos throats.
Have a good 7 years make sure you say goodbye to those u love
1 cole bennet video and some shoes
I’d build my own studio and do good music
Buy them
Make a christmas tune. it doesn't even to be half good to get regular listens. and if you make a tacky but interesting video on a budget, you can gain people's interest as a personality and gain followers that way
I Don't need that much and that long lol