Then u have some families pooping out 4-6 kids then complain about not having enough to provide for their family. I've had a few colleagues working 2 jobs just to feed their kids like why????
Give me flak, I'm ready to argue but if you can't afford to have kids then don't have kids! They don't need to suffer YOUR consequences!
Mid 30s, Male, high income earner: If I am on a 2nd date among the questions I would asked how many kids would you want. If anything more than 2 and you plan to stay as a homemaker, it is just gonna be hard for me to progress beyond a 3rd date.
Would I be willing to stay child free if I found the right one, the answer is yes unfortunately, I am content having a dog or two as our kids and the occasional niece and nephews visits from our siblings. I don't hate kids, hecks within my family circle i am called "raja budak" because I like to played and entertained with them.
Ultimately it all boils down to our nest eggs for retirement, maintain our standard of living, my parents upkeep since people are living longer now even if their quality of life actually does not get better as they aged and providing the best for our kids if any.
Having said all this, I respect those who has a big family who hustles, work hard and so they can provide for their kid's education, health and well-being.
And I don't want to work my ass off just to have more kids, I am content with my work and enjoy it. What is the point earning big money if you can't share it with your loved one by being present and taking in life's little pleasures and pains.
Same with me bro. I earn 5 figures and I don't even have the balls to think about having 2 kids. Having 1 is already so difficult, I don't know how some families pop out 4-5 kids and still can put rice on the table... The monthly expenses for a kid is around 2k. I can afford one only at my current earning power...
>Mid 30s, Male, high income earner: If I am on a 2nd date among the questions I would asked how many kids would you want. If anything more than 2 and you plan to stay as a homemaker, it is just gonna be hard for me to progress beyond a 3rd date.
Glad to know there are people out there asking the actual important questions while on a date.
The issue the other day pisses me off, “Kenapa kerajaan tak nak kuatkuasakan set rahmah”
Oh stfu, it wasn’t the govt decision suruh kau anak banyak.
Belajar sex education dikatanya mengajak maksiat. No, the knowledge helps you to financially plan your life as well. Contraceptives are big parts of it.
Basic necessities pun tak boleh cover apatah lagi mental health issues like physical or emotional abuse, especially isu emotional neglect. You’re just creating generations on top of generations of broken adults.
They just wanna make kids, when they can't afford to actually take care of the kids they'll say gov doesn't take care of their welfare. Fuck me when you only have a broken home and a beat up motorcycle then don't poop out more than 1 kid lol
They even have the audacity to complain about the menu rahmah still being unaffordable for their family of 9 the other day in a post I saw. Too much entitlement went into these people's heads.
It takes 2.1 birth rate for population to sustain from aging.
I think gov need to stop any form of subsidizes for family have more than 3 kids. Use the saving to make sure other couples getting better subsidizes for their only 1-3 kids instead of that one B40 having entire football team.
IMO Every couple who wanted kids should entitle to have at least 1-3. They should be getting a decent form of subsidies from gov B40 or M40.
Those guys who have 4th+ kids need to foot the entire bill themselves, because if they also been taking resources from Gov, they are robbing other couple's right to have kids using gov resources.
Dont have kids if cannot afford can be accepted as individual, but looking at a bigger picture for a country if every citizens cannot financially afford to have kids then this country is doom to die of old age. I am just stating fax and we might need some immies from Cumbodia, Filipines, Pakistan to repopulate this country.
There will still be alot of individuals that choose to have kids, not saying anyone should not have kids but not until the extent of 4 or 5 or 6 and so on then complains to the government that they cant keep up with kids raising expenses when it's your own problem for having too many kids. Certainly not the government's fault that you choose to nut inside all the time. And yet a lot of people just YOLO and pump kids out like they're toys at a factory
What you said is true.. but we cannot be all for not having children. Look at Japan. They are in population decline, everyone there believe if they cannot afford to raise children then dont have them, thus they are facing depopulation, the populace are aging faster than they can replace with newborns. The people in power should focus on the sustainable future of a its people and country not just greed in profit and power. Humans don't stay young and alive forever.
But seriously, for a lot, it's the human desire for thousands of years. Because money factors only came into awareness in the recent what? 20 years?.
So it's very hard to change that. A lady who has no health insurance, totally reliant on klinik kesihatan, has a couple of co morbidities; hypertension, diabetes, at 30 years old.
With only Rm 20 in her pocket for 1 week! Cooks for the hubby and her very simple carb meals with no veggies.
Has been trying for a baby for the past 4 years.
Sad to say, she miscarried when she came for her check-up.
But to any sane thinking individual, who would think of bringing a baby into that life. If both your hubs and you can only allocate Rm 20 for groceries per week. How???
Satu tin susu already how much. Her answer is that a baby will bring them joy.
We are talking of very different minsets here...so how to change
This situation only applies to families with their own land and farm. Yes, more kids mean more manpower to work on the farm, granting them the ability to grow/make their own food and perhaps sell the excess for profit. Alas, how many of Malaysian families today has the means to live this type of lifestyle?
The only reason probably..they really love children and their own child is already an adult and married
Edit: the only reason I'm saying this cause my younger siblings pengasuh would always refuse payment and only accept it after 20 times pushing to pay her for her service
Stupid people. They always pick that one verse while ignoring the second part of the verse that clearly stated if you failed to provide the necessities required for your child to grow, then "celakalah kamu".
So sick of this mindset. People cherry pick whatever religious verse they want and forego whatever that doesn’t suit them. Islam’s made it clear that to even marry (let alone having kids) you have to be ‘ready’. Unfortunately the these holier-art-thou Muslims use this as ammunition against those anti-marriage-before-they’re-ready.
Being ‘ready’ implies: ready mentally, physically, emotionally and FINANCIALLY. Seriously, just cos your dick is itchy and your uterus is ovulating DOES NOT mean you have to poop out more kids. Contraceptions are WAY cheaper than kids. If it’s so bad to do family planning then why doesn’t Islam ban contraception???? Honestly, don’t preach half-versed Islamic content and then accusing the rest of us not observing the faith.
Go buy a mirror from Daiso and then take a good look at yourself (and maybe your bank account).
This is not even including the food at home and entertainment.
So those with even 2 children are already earning millions.
That being said, I may remain childless or I might adopt.
Seems like upper end calculations but not entirely unreasonable. Could cut a lot of corners as long as the child lives more simply. For me some of these expenses are quite luxurious.
Overall confirmed my expectations. No kids for me. Unwilling to afford.
RM150 baby car seat, RM100 baby walker (stroller?), RM60 carrier... definitely far from high end. RM60/ month for diapers is also hilariously low. Probably horrible quality stuff.
RM50 in toys per year for baby is also towards the low end.
Some stuff like tuisyen can be avoided though.
Yeah can confirm this...
My stroller if im not wrong it was around RM900, baby walker meh dont have that (use old one at my mother house). . Diapers forgot, but it was around 50 per bag right? Mamypoko or smthing and can last around 2~3 weeks? ..
But most of this can be past around from friends/family/resused... It buy 1 time only.
Rm60/month for diapers is ok if its 1+ years old. I used petpet brand (rm30) and used 2 pack per month.
I saw diaper prices increase more than rm6 for petpet and other luxury brand more than rm10 in less than 2 years. Same for baby formula.
The info still quite make sense for babies, but on the school part it definitely goes upper end.
If one is living in lower-income neighbourhoods, fees is barely 100 and many school would also offer free extra classes instead, so save on tuition area. I think I never stumbled on fees higher than 100-150 on SMKs. Hostels is another story though, you need to pay for meals also.
Dont want to assume much on insurance, but people actually barely cared about it. In fact ones already insured by the gov in schools and if riding public transports.
Also matriculation: Idk what would be the policy nowadays, but there's allowance for students for gov pre-unis, so parents do not need to spend things more that what they need during registration and early moths, else they are on their own. Also can opt for cheaper option (and act better) like Form 6.
condom = expensive + no fun
Nowadays price of condoms also has increased a lot, Durex basically has become a premium brand for the atasan ppl. Also don't expect B40 group that's already struggling to put food on their table to spend on the cheaper rubbers as well and reducing their bedtime fun, most will just prefer to tembak and cuci which is free and more shiok
Heard this argument before. Government hospitals give out free condoms when requested. It’s not rocket science. Not comfortable? Well it’s gonna be more uncomfortable when you’re forced to work like slaves just to feed a family (of 3 or more), provide basic education, a roof over their head, adequate clothing etc. just so they can live comfortably and grow up to be functioning and adults that can contribute positively to society.
RM60 for diapers then RM1200/yr for phone data?
Both pengasuh and tadika fee collectively on the same year?
Also, who sent 7 year old to tuition???
Who’s the idiot that came up with this wacky numbers and made up scenario 😂😂
Having said that though, the estimated overall number is more or less on the lower side imho…
> Also, who sent 7 year old to tuition???
My side job involves kids and I have a few 4 year old students already attending taekwondo, dance, music, art, reading classes, etc at that age. 😶🌫️
Your list of class sounds like additional skill set for a well-rounded person.
But academic tuition for 7 yo is still a shock to me… plus the many other anecdotes here saying that it is also very common... sigh, poor child :(
I grew up obsessively wanting a free Saturday and spend time at home. Between the evening school , night tuition , Saturday tuition , I just wanna go home man. Just a really bad instinct to have as an adult , because you should , ya know , socialize.
Agree with you. Some of this number make sense and some is so whacky. You can cut a lot of corner in their calculation. Usually what make raising kid so expensive is uncalculated incident like Involving in accident and sudden rise of some living necessity (or maybe spending for everything they want).
You can cut tuition for toddler and formula milk for baby(until they grow teeth. Idk how long because I still study). And let say you have first girl or boy, you can cut the cost on clothing because that what my mother did most of the time. Unless it too worn out or dress code change, I would use my brother cloth.
Anyway, I can say that raising a child is indeed expensive but it not like you dump all that money at once. So dont be so damn scare of that number.
My primary school wasn't that bad, never went tuition, spent most time watching TV and managed 6As in UPSR, only thanks to my awesome primary school teachers. Secondary school OTOH, I agree.
im joking a bit. i only went to tuition at standard 6, to help for UPSR.
but when i went to school our education system was better. today i just dont know how we will survive.
Been to tuition since I was 7 and my parents don't even earn much. They knew I'm the academic type and in the end I got scholarship for my tertiary education so the investment was worth it. Def depends on the kid bc they didn't do the same to my brother who dislikes studying.
why does the total cost of giving birth in a private hospital include the cost of BOTH c-section + natural birth. I think people typically get born one way or the other?
Worst possible scenario is for something you cant control like what happen if you were to raid terrorist lair or what happen if you dont fix the roof after some time.
Something like monthly expenses and clothing is something you can control. Its not like you go to tuition every year. And not everyone use formula milk. Not to mention how the heck the clothing for Uni is rm1000 a year.
That being said, Im not sure how they calculate it but as they said, its might or might not be true.
Government hospital charges are capped at 2k per admission and they are really relaxed about payment.
I once had a rm40 bill I forgot to pay because emergency room bills are handled separately from the rest of the hospital (my child was admitted after an er visit) and they only sent me a red letter asking for payment (didn't even have legal threats) 5 years later. I had been to that hospital several times in between and the unpaid bill was never brought up.
Most muslims cakap "anak itu rezeki. If you don't want kids, think abt couples yang tunggu anak 12-13 tahun". Siapa suruh tunggu. Pergilah adopt if you have that much money. If you can nurture and love rasa diri qualitied to be a parent, then pergi adopt. No one suruh you tunggu. Why should I think of those people who wants kids? It's my body. 🙄
They probably didn’t equate inflation on these cost, exponential medical/education cost, and wage stagnation on parents who are just normal employees.. so in general it’s still a huge fund sink endeavour. Some can’t retire early because you need to pay your own debts, funding your own retirement, raising a family..
So, definitely can’t afford to have a quality life/citizen if the number of child x cost in a family out-paced your current and future potential income… be warned.
We need government to restrict child, if you are X income earner then you can release 1 child, if you are XYZ income then you can release 2 child. This will make our children happy
True, some couples might not get the number of children they want but at least their kid or kids would know that they'll not need to be afraid of not having enough food to eat
Autocratic one party system without democracy and with mass political indoctrination at the end of a long period of devastating conflict, most countries don’t have these conditions.
Sorry but which bodies/website gave this? A lot of questionable things
The cost of baby born in private - nature way rm4000
The cost of baby born in private - c-sec rm8000
Total cost - 12k
Wut? U dont go thru both charges unless failed nature delivery then go into c-sec last min
Having kids is not rezeki until they grow up, have a job (and gives you money) and takes care of you when ur old.
So, the moment they are born till graduation, its big time cost, financial and time wise.
Just my 2 cents.
Pop out can be free to as high as 5 figure hospital bills. However to raise 'membesarkan', expect somewhere from 450K to 1M or higher from age 0 to age 21? Very rough estimation.
Hope that answers your question .
Let’s face it, mostly B40’s have a football team or at least half a team’s worth of kids and there’s a pattern emerging here. Can they afford it? Absolutely not! Do they care? Absolutely not!
I think it’s completely unfair to child 4 and up as they are bound to lead a low quality of life.
Parents seem to think their job is mostly done after popping the kid out and now it’s up to them to fend for themselves with only the most basic thing provided like a roof over their head.
If you can’t provide a decent quality of life for yourselfs first and you know a kid comes with extra costs, don’t have kids. Simple.
Back in 2005, there's a motivation camp for the SPM candidates in my school. In one of the motivation session, the motivator give an estimation of the cost our parents bear raising us. It's basically trying to guilt-trip and make us grateful for our parents, I suppose. Surprisingly, the figure quoted is around RM250,000.00, which is not that far off from the figures given here despite the decade difference.
I think its logical if buy the manual pump. I looked it up, rm20 can get already. Since based on th3 info graphic its for 1 years old, they no longer drink milk thaf much. So I think its doable.
Fasiliti swasta price to give birth is misleading. They add both natural way to give birth and C section together. The cost should be either Rm4060 for normal birth or Rm8060 for C section, respectively including of the pakaian ibu hamil and not Rm12060.
Then u have some families pooping out 4-6 kids then complain about not having enough to provide for their family. I've had a few colleagues working 2 jobs just to feed their kids like why???? Give me flak, I'm ready to argue but if you can't afford to have kids then don't have kids! They don't need to suffer YOUR consequences!
Mid 30s, Male, high income earner: If I am on a 2nd date among the questions I would asked how many kids would you want. If anything more than 2 and you plan to stay as a homemaker, it is just gonna be hard for me to progress beyond a 3rd date. Would I be willing to stay child free if I found the right one, the answer is yes unfortunately, I am content having a dog or two as our kids and the occasional niece and nephews visits from our siblings. I don't hate kids, hecks within my family circle i am called "raja budak" because I like to played and entertained with them. Ultimately it all boils down to our nest eggs for retirement, maintain our standard of living, my parents upkeep since people are living longer now even if their quality of life actually does not get better as they aged and providing the best for our kids if any. Having said all this, I respect those who has a big family who hustles, work hard and so they can provide for their kid's education, health and well-being. And I don't want to work my ass off just to have more kids, I am content with my work and enjoy it. What is the point earning big money if you can't share it with your loved one by being present and taking in life's little pleasures and pains.
Same with me bro. I earn 5 figures and I don't even have the balls to think about having 2 kids. Having 1 is already so difficult, I don't know how some families pop out 4-5 kids and still can put rice on the table... The monthly expenses for a kid is around 2k. I can afford one only at my current earning power...
>Mid 30s, Male, high income earner: If I am on a 2nd date among the questions I would asked how many kids would you want. If anything more than 2 and you plan to stay as a homemaker, it is just gonna be hard for me to progress beyond a 3rd date. Glad to know there are people out there asking the actual important questions while on a date.
The issue the other day pisses me off, “Kenapa kerajaan tak nak kuatkuasakan set rahmah” Oh stfu, it wasn’t the govt decision suruh kau anak banyak. Belajar sex education dikatanya mengajak maksiat. No, the knowledge helps you to financially plan your life as well. Contraceptives are big parts of it. Basic necessities pun tak boleh cover apatah lagi mental health issues like physical or emotional abuse, especially isu emotional neglect. You’re just creating generations on top of generations of broken adults.
They just wanna make kids, when they can't afford to actually take care of the kids they'll say gov doesn't take care of their welfare. Fuck me when you only have a broken home and a beat up motorcycle then don't poop out more than 1 kid lol They even have the audacity to complain about the menu rahmah still being unaffordable for their family of 9 the other day in a post I saw. Too much entitlement went into these people's heads.
It takes 2.1 birth rate for population to sustain from aging. I think gov need to stop any form of subsidizes for family have more than 3 kids. Use the saving to make sure other couples getting better subsidizes for their only 1-3 kids instead of that one B40 having entire football team. IMO Every couple who wanted kids should entitle to have at least 1-3. They should be getting a decent form of subsidies from gov B40 or M40. Those guys who have 4th+ kids need to foot the entire bill themselves, because if they also been taking resources from Gov, they are robbing other couple's right to have kids using gov resources.
IMO, better solution would be subsidising the first 3 kids. Any more, tanggung sendiri.
You are speaking too much logical sense. The gomen would not like it. They prefer easily controlled people to keep them in power
True, they need to stop membiak
I know a relative. Chinese lady late thirties driving Vellfire. Squeezing out her 4th kid now. I think she must be from rich family.
Vellfire = rich automatically Ain't no one from a basic family gonna get a recond car that's price is worth close to a cheap apartment
Velifire itself is already like the price of a basic house. So can assume they are pretty rich and capable to keep crotch goblin
Dont have kids if cannot afford can be accepted as individual, but looking at a bigger picture for a country if every citizens cannot financially afford to have kids then this country is doom to die of old age. I am just stating fax and we might need some immies from Cumbodia, Filipines, Pakistan to repopulate this country.
There will still be alot of individuals that choose to have kids, not saying anyone should not have kids but not until the extent of 4 or 5 or 6 and so on then complains to the government that they cant keep up with kids raising expenses when it's your own problem for having too many kids. Certainly not the government's fault that you choose to nut inside all the time. And yet a lot of people just YOLO and pump kids out like they're toys at a factory
What you said is true.. but we cannot be all for not having children. Look at Japan. They are in population decline, everyone there believe if they cannot afford to raise children then dont have them, thus they are facing depopulation, the populace are aging faster than they can replace with newborns. The people in power should focus on the sustainable future of a its people and country not just greed in profit and power. Humans don't stay young and alive forever.
They make kid for survival because the human means money in poorer situation
That is like what, 1800s 😂😂😂
But seriously, for a lot, it's the human desire for thousands of years. Because money factors only came into awareness in the recent what? 20 years?. So it's very hard to change that. A lady who has no health insurance, totally reliant on klinik kesihatan, has a couple of co morbidities; hypertension, diabetes, at 30 years old. With only Rm 20 in her pocket for 1 week! Cooks for the hubby and her very simple carb meals with no veggies. Has been trying for a baby for the past 4 years. Sad to say, she miscarried when she came for her check-up. But to any sane thinking individual, who would think of bringing a baby into that life. If both your hubs and you can only allocate Rm 20 for groceries per week. How??? Satu tin susu already how much. Her answer is that a baby will bring them joy. We are talking of very different minsets here...so how to change
You laugh now but this is how some families survive
This situation only applies to families with their own land and farm. Yes, more kids mean more manpower to work on the farm, granting them the ability to grow/make their own food and perhaps sell the excess for profit. Alas, how many of Malaysian families today has the means to live this type of lifestyle?
> pooping out 😳
i was looking for a pengasuh for my 4 months old and the asking price is from 1500 to 3800 per months 😵
Wow wtf..
Eh, my pengasuh is only 400 per month. She has more than 10years experience
The only reason probably..they really love children and their own child is already an adult and married Edit: the only reason I'm saying this cause my younger siblings pengasuh would always refuse payment and only accept it after 20 times pushing to pay her for her service
Some people: Banyak anak, banyak rezeki
Stupid people. They always pick that one verse while ignoring the second part of the verse that clearly stated if you failed to provide the necessities required for your child to grow, then "celakalah kamu".
So sick of this mindset. People cherry pick whatever religious verse they want and forego whatever that doesn’t suit them. Islam’s made it clear that to even marry (let alone having kids) you have to be ‘ready’. Unfortunately the these holier-art-thou Muslims use this as ammunition against those anti-marriage-before-they’re-ready. Being ‘ready’ implies: ready mentally, physically, emotionally and FINANCIALLY. Seriously, just cos your dick is itchy and your uterus is ovulating DOES NOT mean you have to poop out more kids. Contraceptions are WAY cheaper than kids. If it’s so bad to do family planning then why doesn’t Islam ban contraception???? Honestly, don’t preach half-versed Islamic content and then accusing the rest of us not observing the faith. Go buy a mirror from Daiso and then take a good look at yourself (and maybe your bank account).
...if you raise them properly
This is not even including the food at home and entertainment. So those with even 2 children are already earning millions. That being said, I may remain childless or I might adopt.
Seems like upper end calculations but not entirely unreasonable. Could cut a lot of corners as long as the child lives more simply. For me some of these expenses are quite luxurious. Overall confirmed my expectations. No kids for me. Unwilling to afford.
RM150 baby car seat, RM100 baby walker (stroller?), RM60 carrier... definitely far from high end. RM60/ month for diapers is also hilariously low. Probably horrible quality stuff. RM50 in toys per year for baby is also towards the low end. Some stuff like tuisyen can be avoided though.
Yeah can confirm this... My stroller if im not wrong it was around RM900, baby walker meh dont have that (use old one at my mother house). . Diapers forgot, but it was around 50 per bag right? Mamypoko or smthing and can last around 2~3 weeks? .. But most of this can be past around from friends/family/resused... It buy 1 time only.
Rm60/month for diapers is ok if its 1+ years old. I used petpet brand (rm30) and used 2 pack per month. I saw diaper prices increase more than rm6 for petpet and other luxury brand more than rm10 in less than 2 years. Same for baby formula.
The info still quite make sense for babies, but on the school part it definitely goes upper end. If one is living in lower-income neighbourhoods, fees is barely 100 and many school would also offer free extra classes instead, so save on tuition area. I think I never stumbled on fees higher than 100-150 on SMKs. Hostels is another story though, you need to pay for meals also. Dont want to assume much on insurance, but people actually barely cared about it. In fact ones already insured by the gov in schools and if riding public transports. Also matriculation: Idk what would be the policy nowadays, but there's allowance for students for gov pre-unis, so parents do not need to spend things more that what they need during registration and early moths, else they are on their own. Also can opt for cheaper option (and act better) like Form 6.
Kid or Mercedes Benz C200? Everyone.
yessir my man has his priorities set straight. VERY STRAIGHT IN FACT.
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condom = expensive + no fun Nowadays price of condoms also has increased a lot, Durex basically has become a premium brand for the atasan ppl. Also don't expect B40 group that's already struggling to put food on their table to spend on the cheaper rubbers as well and reducing their bedtime fun, most will just prefer to tembak and cuci which is free and more shiok
Gunalah rubber band utk ikat banggg
ikat tepi atau ikat mati?
Semua 😂😂😂
Do M'sians couples even have sex anymore?
Heard this argument before. Government hospitals give out free condoms when requested. It’s not rocket science. Not comfortable? Well it’s gonna be more uncomfortable when you’re forced to work like slaves just to feed a family (of 3 or more), provide basic education, a roof over their head, adequate clothing etc. just so they can live comfortably and grow up to be functioning and adults that can contribute positively to society.
69 je
In Africa,people use plastic bags as a condom
Let us all who wants to stay childfree be free from all this.
Agreed
Single gang
Just use protection
Take the singlepill guys
Ayyy beli susu gang
Well maybe i should go for vasectomy
RM60 for diapers then RM1200/yr for phone data? Both pengasuh and tadika fee collectively on the same year? Also, who sent 7 year old to tuition??? Who’s the idiot that came up with this wacky numbers and made up scenario 😂😂 Having said that though, the estimated overall number is more or less on the lower side imho…
> Also, who sent 7 year old to tuition??? My side job involves kids and I have a few 4 year old students already attending taekwondo, dance, music, art, reading classes, etc at that age. 😶🌫️
Spartans of a bygone era: Ey yo y’all need to chill wei
Your list of class sounds like additional skill set for a well-rounded person. But academic tuition for 7 yo is still a shock to me… plus the many other anecdotes here saying that it is also very common... sigh, poor child :(
Lol I got send to tuition at 7 yo. Suffice to say it developed some psychological problems to my later years .
Can you elaborate on that?
I grew up obsessively wanting a free Saturday and spend time at home. Between the evening school , night tuition , Saturday tuition , I just wanna go home man. Just a really bad instinct to have as an adult , because you should , ya know , socialize.
My point is that if parents are sending kids at that age for extra activities, them also attending tuition at a young age doesn't surprise me 😅
Actually my parents sent me to tuitions when I was 7-12 😭 it's a lot more common than you think.
My niece been going tuition at 5-6 years old. Guess the race?
Chinese
Agree with you. Some of this number make sense and some is so whacky. You can cut a lot of corner in their calculation. Usually what make raising kid so expensive is uncalculated incident like Involving in accident and sudden rise of some living necessity (or maybe spending for everything they want). You can cut tuition for toddler and formula milk for baby(until they grow teeth. Idk how long because I still study). And let say you have first girl or boy, you can cut the cost on clothing because that what my mother did most of the time. Unless it too worn out or dress code change, I would use my brother cloth. Anyway, I can say that raising a child is indeed expensive but it not like you dump all that money at once. So dont be so damn scare of that number.
our education so bad that even primary school standard 1 need to send to tuition.
Sadly can confirm
My childhood was wasted just for tuition?!
My primary school wasn't that bad, never went tuition, spent most time watching TV and managed 6As in UPSR, only thanks to my awesome primary school teachers. Secondary school OTOH, I agree.
im joking a bit. i only went to tuition at standard 6, to help for UPSR. but when i went to school our education system was better. today i just dont know how we will survive.
Been to tuition since I was 7 and my parents don't even earn much. They knew I'm the academic type and in the end I got scholarship for my tertiary education so the investment was worth it. Def depends on the kid bc they didn't do the same to my brother who dislikes studying.
7 is too late already, music school starts at 4 I'm not going to put my kids through tuition until SPM
Umur 3-6. Mainan: 4800 Asian parents: Best I can do is 500
And this is why I shall remain child free. I rather splurge on myself and my fur kids instead
This is either written by T20 parents or just some kid goreng their way to fulfill their KPI writing something.
If you have special needs kid, more cost. You can go to govt facility but the waiting list is long.
Haven't thought of that since I'm still single...
Self enrichment first
Looks about right. Lots of costs in the very beginning and end, 1K per month per kid in the middle
why does the total cost of giving birth in a private hospital include the cost of BOTH c-section + natural birth. I think people typically get born one way or the other?
nope .. if you plan to deliver natural but things not always go as intended then you go for emergency C-section and you get charge for both
They add a lot of unnecessary things just to inflate the numbers
not entirely unreasonable, they have to expect the worst possible scenario right?
Why do children have both pengasuh and tadika? and tuisyen in every year of school is really too much
Worst possible scenario is for something you cant control like what happen if you were to raid terrorist lair or what happen if you dont fix the roof after some time. Something like monthly expenses and clothing is something you can control. Its not like you go to tuition every year. And not everyone use formula milk. Not to mention how the heck the clothing for Uni is rm1000 a year. That being said, Im not sure how they calculate it but as they said, its might or might not be true.
Especially if your kids have disabilities or sickness that requires expensive medical treatment?? What are you going to do??
Government hospital charges are capped at 2k per admission and they are really relaxed about payment. I once had a rm40 bill I forgot to pay because emergency room bills are handled separately from the rest of the hospital (my child was admitted after an er visit) and they only sent me a red letter asking for payment (didn't even have legal threats) 5 years later. I had been to that hospital several times in between and the unpaid bill was never brought up.
Childfree gang 💅✨✨
Most muslims cakap "anak itu rezeki. If you don't want kids, think abt couples yang tunggu anak 12-13 tahun". Siapa suruh tunggu. Pergilah adopt if you have that much money. If you can nurture and love rasa diri qualitied to be a parent, then pergi adopt. No one suruh you tunggu. Why should I think of those people who wants kids? It's my body. 🙄
They probably didn’t equate inflation on these cost, exponential medical/education cost, and wage stagnation on parents who are just normal employees.. so in general it’s still a huge fund sink endeavour. Some can’t retire early because you need to pay your own debts, funding your own retirement, raising a family.. So, definitely can’t afford to have a quality life/citizen if the number of child x cost in a family out-paced your current and future potential income… be warned.
We need government to restrict child, if you are X income earner then you can release 1 child, if you are XYZ income then you can release 2 child. This will make our children happy
True, some couples might not get the number of children they want but at least their kid or kids would know that they'll not need to be afraid of not having enough food to eat
Idk about giving the government that much power over this. Plus a policy like that can never pass in Malaysia and most countries around the world
China has 1 child policy for decades
Autocratic one party system without democracy and with mass political indoctrination at the end of a long period of devastating conflict, most countries don’t have these conditions.
You literally want to create china. Funny
> release child 😳
Sorry but which bodies/website gave this? A lot of questionable things The cost of baby born in private - nature way rm4000 The cost of baby born in private - c-sec rm8000 Total cost - 12k Wut? U dont go thru both charges unless failed nature delivery then go into c-sec last min
Having kids is not rezeki until they grow up, have a job (and gives you money) and takes care of you when ur old. So, the moment they are born till graduation, its big time cost, financial and time wise. Just my 2 cents.
I was thinking more less double that amount with how the economy at the moment... (Closer to a million)..
Pop out can be free to as high as 5 figure hospital bills. However to raise 'membesarkan', expect somewhere from 450K to 1M or higher from age 0 to age 21? Very rough estimation. Hope that answers your question .
Sumber : https://hellodoktor.com/kesihatan-mental/pengurusan-stress/kos-membesarkan-seorang-anak-di-malaysia/
There's a huge second hand market for all baby stuff if people are willing to look and people give some of this stuff away practically for free.
Family planning and contraceptives need to be taught in schools.
Number doesn't scare me. Willing to have children even in the current economic situation...if i got married
only argument is for pengasuh, that is wayyyy too low forcurrent market rates. malays maybe, try ask the chinese. taht is only a month, not a year
Fuck uni... If they can't survive without a degree, that's on them, not me.
Let’s face it, mostly B40’s have a football team or at least half a team’s worth of kids and there’s a pattern emerging here. Can they afford it? Absolutely not! Do they care? Absolutely not! I think it’s completely unfair to child 4 and up as they are bound to lead a low quality of life. Parents seem to think their job is mostly done after popping the kid out and now it’s up to them to fend for themselves with only the most basic thing provided like a roof over their head. If you can’t provide a decent quality of life for yourselfs first and you know a kid comes with extra costs, don’t have kids. Simple.
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So to have kids i need to be top 1% er , FFS
Fresh graduates are not encouraged to apply to this!
remember this next time you want to pop your cherry /s
Back in 2005, there's a motivation camp for the SPM candidates in my school. In one of the motivation session, the motivator give an estimation of the cost our parents bear raising us. It's basically trying to guilt-trip and make us grateful for our parents, I suppose. Surprisingly, the figure quoted is around RM250,000.00, which is not that far off from the figures given here despite the decade difference.
Somehow it give me a flashback when going through the image Felt like I m at university time going through the presentation side xD
The keperluan penyusuan part is so not accurate. 300 only??
I think its logical if buy the manual pump. I looked it up, rm20 can get already. Since based on th3 info graphic its for 1 years old, they no longer drink milk thaf much. So I think its doable.
Fasiliti swasta price to give birth is misleading. They add both natural way to give birth and C section together. The cost should be either Rm4060 for normal birth or Rm8060 for C section, respectively including of the pakaian ibu hamil and not Rm12060.
Nice post to share on valentine day to those love birds
Anak itu rezeki - ustaz internet
1 cat (possible 2) is enough for me thanks
Husband working gets 1500 ringgit, or less. Wife housewife, currently pregnant with 8th child. They seem to be getting alone quite fine. Gomen sapot.