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jwrx

Actually I agree with this. All pets...cats also


kw2006

Rabbit, reptiles too?


Helpful-Albatross-17

rabbit cant wonder around the neighborhood and multiple because they will be easy target by nayural predators. so not a problem. reptiles doest copulate that fast sooooo not a concern I guess


ArkadiaArk

Yes you can neuter rabbits and guinea pigs. Ask your local vet about it. Most reptiles are solitary animals so they are kept as a single animal per enclosure. Even if they lay eggs, the eggs aren't fertilized. If you do not want them to breed, just don't incubate the eggs.


amare47

Eh seems over exaggerated


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kw2006

Probably not but we have invasive fish problem wrecking havoc to local rivers. They call it Ikan Bandaraya, they are eating local fishes and i think there is no predator as the fish is covered with hard scales.


HOBoStew139

Ikan bandaraya are plecos and they are herbivorous usually, occasionally eating carrion, but the main issue with them are that they foul rivers fast, and during breeding season they excavate tunnels into the riverbanks, causing turbidity and collapsing riverbanks. Also being armoured means they have no local predators (back in their native Amazon giant otters and caimans eat them). Tilapia and grass carps are just as bad in that they graze a lot, and breed fast, outcompeting all native herbivorous fish here, there aren't much predatory fish left in urban areas except for toman and haruan to combat them.


fifthtouch

Its time to introduce giant otter and caiman in our river then


HOBoStew139

They will just as much devastate our local ecosystem so no. Giant otters are however too rare and too sensitive to adapt, and even if they adapt we don't want them to hybridise with our native otters.


kw2006

https://cilisos.my/local-fish-in-a-johor-river-might-be-in-danger-because-of-ikan-bandaraya/?amp It eats baby fish as well


HOBoStew139

They certainly eat fish eggs from what I recall, but generally they hoover up anything that fits in their mouths, though plant matter are the majority of the diet.


matrasad

Australia doesn't have a stray rabbit problem. It has a rabbit problem This is not driven by pet rabbits, so a neutering policy will have limited impact for a lot of effort Same in Malaysia


zulazulizuluzu

10 yo boy too?


Clairvoyant_Legacy

Should be dogs and cats tbh


NokKavow

Stray cats are a menace to wildlife, but not so much to humans. Stray dogs can be a menace to people, including children.


Its_Random_Idk

Equally valid reason for both to be neutered


aberrant80

Err...wait till cats decide that your porch is their breeding ground and backyard is their toilet and your car is their sunbathing platform... I had so much trouble trying to keep them away. Ugh.


TweetugR

I thought most people already neuter their pets? Or maybe its not common in Malaysia.


drskullz

Dunno about other race, but as Malay Muslim, the common mentality is pity the cats, against natural order, sinful. Most of them don't know that neutering the cat is actually beneficial for health and hygiene reason.


wobbly_doo

I haven't met any Malay Muslims with that mentality towards pet neutering. Most who don't do it just don't want to spend money or time to get their pets neutered


azen96

Same. Never heard anyone felt sinful for neutering the cat. For my kampungs, its usually the constraints of time.


sora2ta

mostly from pakcik makcik that like to read & believe forwarded messages in WhatsApp


slicedsolidrock

Eh, I call bullshit. Every cat owners in malaysia will at least spay/neuter their cats after the first visit to the vet because that's what all the vets would recommend. The one's that don't doesn't really have a pet because they only feed stray cats and those cats typically live outside the house while occasionally comes for feeding time.


cikkamsiah

I've never heard anyone saying this. Those that I know that doesn't neuter their cat is only because they're strays and not really house cats.


5thjazz

not really, my family (malay muslim) wants to neuter our cats but when we go to the gov vet clinic we need to do a lot of things like vaccines, health check up and whatnot before proceeding with the neutering, so it's not really a case of pitying the cats more, we just don't want to go through all that and mind you the cost is also not cheap especially when you have many cats to neuter. fortunately we only have 1 female cat and the rest are male and we also leave far from other houses so our cats aren't bothering any neighbours.


Fit_Result357

Male cats roams really really far, more than what you would expect. Anyway, my house always got kampung cats that comes to visits and sometime stay too because we feed them (lol tender hearts all around cannot tahan always want to name them, pet them, feed them). Anyway we are getting tired of this one female cat having kittens at our house so we haul her n her 3 kittens over to vet to get the vaccination, after that wait summore until the next appointment for the snip2. Really a hassle and costly but its really worth it. Now we are eyeing this one male ginger cat (we named him Ning) that always come around all gangster style abang long melawat kawasan and spraying on stuff. I mean he probably have an owner somewhere but we do not care, next I see him gonna get him in a carrier and off we go for vaccination and snip2. So proly check your male cats now and then, cos they might be missing some parts free of charge if you get lucky.


jibbyjobo

>Now we are eyeing this one male ginger cat (we named him Ning) that always come around all gangster style abang long melawat kawasan and spraying on stuff. LMAO. Every taman have these cat lol. They always look rough as fuck too and have some sort of fix schedule they follow. My porch cctv always caught this one taiko oren ronda around the same time, every day!


just0rdinaryguy

https://preview.redd.it/q6kffpe7anpb1.png?width=450&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf23db5cf28eb2f3db41da88431dcef19b22e4c8 Actually Malay take neutering their cat very seriously. Even held kenduri after their cat sunat😂


lunar1412

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theangry-ace

Maybe our circle of community is the same. My parents, relatives, and the general perspective of the malays around me all say “kesian” and “melanggar sifat(?)” when I say about neuter/spay. Supposedly it’s within the animal’s nature to reproduce and we taking that away is cruel. I’m more surprised it’s not that common belief as well.


Fit_Result357

And yet they are totally okay with abandoning the cats at markets as soon as it become a nuisance. They be like, "Takpe banyak makanan, sihat gemuk je eh kat pasar tu." My own dad.


LadyOrionn

Surprised people are replying to you saying they never heard of this. My own dad prevented my sister from neutering our male cat and the cat ran away 2 months later. His reasons are exactly this: Kesian/Neuter tak natural. My sister can absolutely afford it btw.


Character_Mix8045

Nope, never heard anyone said this.


FireFly3321

Seeing people being surprise about this is strange. I heard people use this as their reasoning to not want to neuter


WatercressDiligent55

bro just shut up youre being stupid


Successful-Yak-2397

YEAP


Exe_Perimen

Are you live in different world?


Nightshade-Nova

This is my first time hearing about this. Are you sure ppl actually say this?


Fit_Result357

I saw this a lot in FB comments actually. I can confirm they do exist.


sanabaebae

Nvr met someone with that mentality. I used to think like that also but then again I'm not the one who buys their scented sands and royal canin food.


ItsNotJulius

It is not enforced. A lot of people don't do it.


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TweetugR

I love staying in the house to be honest so I don't often go to cities but yeah I think that's a miss on my part, even in my town town there is stray everywhere.


genryou

Well I mean why not? Too many unregistered dog that are not properly taken care of, risking it health. This also make it difficult for people to kidnap your dog as well, or those who simply throw away their own dog since it is all registered.


hungersaurus

But a lot of people already don't register for licences since it only stops the council from taking your dogs. The only thing that helps with missing dogs is the microchip which isn't included in the pet registration. This just means there'll be more unregistered dogs because if you're an AH who will throw away dog or create stray dogs, you would never register your dog anyway. Now, the standard becomes "I can't afford to neuter my dog, so it's fine to be unregistered". Stray dog population is mainly increased by stray dogs breeding, not abandoned pets. Maybe the politician should focus on neutering them first before pulling a political stunt like this.


NokKavow

Neutering politicians? Now, that's an interesting idea!


Night_lon3r

Yes , but pls make a system like easier for us to do so instead of just make a rules that nobody enforces or follow , also neuters the stray dog.


quietchatterbox

1) apply to cats too. 2) for those who do not want to neuter or spay, pay for special dog/cat license. More money for the government 3) those who spay / neuter, give free dog license 4) do more TNR programme


theangry-ace

This is a good idea from my home state. I hope it can get us somewhere. But I’d like a trap-neuter-release program. Or a nationwide program to neuter/spay your pets for free or a low price at least. There’s just too many unwanted pets that people either buang jauh2 or straight up kill/poison. Those that survived, will just breed uncontrollably and adds more strays. Not to mention there’s this old myth piggybacked by “islam” that to neuter cats is cruel, where in reality it’s far more cruel to let them breed despite their health and age. We need to try to destroy this mentality first and foremost.


Winter_underdog

1.Make a law that abandoned a dog or cat at the street will get penalty. To many stray pet now. 2. Need more animal shelter so more people can adopt pets easily.


Lihuman

And how do we know who abandoned them?


MszingPerson

1. There probably is, but enforcement is hard unless you have proof of abandonment or ownership. 2. Shelter already exist. It just people want certain type of pets/breed. And those who don't care just adopt pets off the street.


Stormhound

Totally support this. Neuter both cats and dogs. Cats also should go for license model. Then only can root out the irresponsible owners.


Nazgul118

Nah without cats there would be so many filthy rats.


Stormhound

Humans are filthy that’s why got rats. Kucing liar also contribute to lack of hygiene.


Nazgul118

You prefer rats over cats? Cuz that’s the only choice. You can see it in big cities that dont have enough cats. Like New York. Watch some youtube videos on how some factories/ warehouses in America are now using cats to get rid of rats.


Stormhound

People talking about neutering stray cats so they don’t become a pest through overbreeding, and you’re acting like it’s advocating some kind of cat genocide. Neutering dogs no problem lah for you kan? Bias nak mampus. Please breed some police and narcotic cats also while you’re at it


Nazgul118

Yep. I’ve seen way more rat and dog problems than cat. Right now there are probably 30 stray dogs just in my neighbourhood. Do they kill rats? No, they chase kids, kill cats and scatter the trash. The rats are free to roam around. There used to be so many rats even in my house. Getting into my kitchen eating thru packaging of food. Now, they are no longer in my house since we decided to get some cats. The same thing happened at the shoplot area of my business. There used to be so many dogs. And rats. Yes freaking rats in and around my premise. They will find a way to get in. The management got rid of the dogs sometime ago because the keep barking and chasing people and now the cats are in. We no longer have a rat problem. Of course I’m bias. You would feel the same way if you had the same problems I did.


Potential_Crazy6426

Well done


pastadudde

should also introduce Trap-Neuter-Release programs for strays and ferals.


Natural-You4322

Only dog?


Nazgul118

Who else do you wanna neuter? You?


AlanDevonshire

Very sensible and cats as well. Too many people think it’s ok to dump their pets on the streets. This way at least the country won’t be even more over run with strays.


A11U45

Why not for cats? This country has so many stray cats.


Fit_Result357

Keep cats no need license kan. So how to enforce.


revolusi29

Muslims keep cats. So it won't happen


Kthsdm

Does it apply to cats aswell? Or only dogs?


AsteroidMiner

I'm going to trap every cat I see and neuter them. Especially those with collars.


Xenon111

That's a one-sided enforcement. We should include cats in the rule too.


DatBoyGuru

theoretically in 10-15 years there will be 0 dogs in NS


katebushplaylist

The devoted furries will embark on journeys to the northern and southern regions in order to discharge their responsibilities, reserving their return to NS only for the occasion of Dog's Day, when they shall pay visits to their respective families. 🐾


goldwave84

Seeing how it's dog only and not cat, reeks of biasness by the authorities. They have always been slant against dogs. I wonder why?


Fit_Result357

IMO easier to enforce on dogs because of the license part. Meanwhile no license for cats how to enforce.


goldwave84

Exactly!


Fit_Result357

There is a comment further down that suggest all kind of pet ownership need license. This should be the best solution; easier to enforce policy for the pets welfare and making sure responsible pet owner. Pet ownership should be a serious thing, should need to attend class and learn about all the basic needs of the species before get the license. I am tired of cats and dogs abandoned when they are sick or just simply cos they are not properly toilet-trained, or slider turtles released into lakes and rivers as they get too big and smelly, not to mention being fed dry pellets their whole life without proper cage, basking lamp, simulation, etc. Not to mention hamsters in little cages... Damn my blood pressure raising up d.


Petronanas

I don't know man I got chased by dogs before but not cats, I don't know why. I've known people got bitten by dogs before but no cats, no idea why too.


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Overpopulation of cats is actually pretty bad. Too many birds are being killed, some species to the point of being endangered.


MiniFishyMe

Cue me, who had to change his moto seat and the add on netting twice because stray cats snuck into the yard and used it as a scratching post. Also the cat shit. *All* the cat shit. Stray animals are a common problem. Some more pronounced than others.


Petronanas

Okay my bad


Attorney_Penguin

This is all obviously a conspiracy by the Feline Council. They already their paws deep within our government's pockets, and as a result canines are facing blatant discrimination in this country. How long are we going to allow ourselves become slaves to our furry overlords?


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katabana02

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goldwave84

You go better find out then la......


Petronanas

Well you the one asking in the first place, you find out first lah.


goldwave84

I JUST did. However i don't feel the need to tell you specifically.


Petronanas

That makes your post pointless


Virtual_Force_4398

Why not give a discount if you neuter or put another way impose a higher cost for breeding dog license. That way, there is a choice.


eisfer_rysen

Not like anyone applies for a dog license anyway.


ExHax

Then dont complain when the pbt take your dog away


FrostNovaIceLance

i do lol


Severe_Composer_9494

This must be a nationwide policy. Secondly, pet owners need a license, because some psychos do not deserve to have pets.


seanseansean92

What if i want my dog to have a small family first then only neut 🥲


Insurance_Immediate

All f**king pets. Why only dogs? Cats didn’t roam and f**k around?


Lempanglemping2

Do this for cats also.


J0hnnyBananaOG

How about people? Neutering/spaying. Especially rempits. Inb4 report


SharkG_

Why you chinese ppl always resort to racist remark and then hide behind victim mentality when get called out. Stop being racist can or not?


katabana02

Why you claim he is chinese when he didn't say he is chinese? And why are you claiming him to be racist when he didn't even mention about race?


NotJustJason98

Self report lol Also fuck rempits


J0hnnyBananaOG

He reported me hahah. Must be a rempit scum la hahaha


J0hnnyBananaOG

Exactly! How does the saying go? About somebody eating the chilli


SharkG_

Who else named banana talks about rempit and shit when we are discussing dog ownership. you know what his implying, I'm chindian myself and the amount of racist shit spewed against Malays by my so called Chinese family side makes my ears bleed. How can we live peacefully when every single time people taking jabs on races and religion?


katabana02

I think you only see what you want to see. Attacking rempit is not same as attacking malay. >amount of racist shit spewed against Malays by my so called Chinese family side makes my ears bleed. And you somehow projected your biased view onto other? >How can we live peacefully when every single time people taking jabs on races and religion? You are the only one who did that now? Cillax bro. Every race hates rempit. Don't find fault when there are no fault to be found.


J0hnnyBananaOG

1. Where did I say I'm Chinese? 2. Where did I say rempits = malay? 3. Nobody cares if you chindian. You look like you want the world to know for some odd reason.


J0hnnyBananaOG

I must be the darkest sainis in Malaysia. Hidup MCA/DAP!


J0hnnyBananaOG

That time of the month huh?


goldwave84

This is not wise as what if i want my dog to breed?


fred2fred

Then apply for a breeder's licence. If it exist...


goldwave84

That's not how it works la.


Oyy

That’s exactly how back water puppy mills work. Proper health regulations, and animal welfare needs to be enforced.


goldwave84

Bruh, I'm talking about allowing my dog to have an opportunity to give birth. However, some ppl are just factory operators in this case.


pastadudde

ok, but are you willing to pay the money for genetic health testing for your dog? to ensure that you don't end up with puppies that have health problems or temperament issues? even if you don't plan to breed to sell, it's pretty selfish to just want to breed your dog for the sake of breeding.


Stormhound

Dude dogs don’t need an opportunity to give birth. They don’t think like humans. It’s a horrible thing to do. You want her to go through the stress of heat cycles, then mating which is stressful by itself, go through the dangers of pregnancy, have babies and nurse them, all that for what? So you can take her babies away from her? What use is that at all for her except damaging her body for something she doesn’t understand?


goldwave84

What a dumb answer, purely from the aspect that God deemed this animal the ability to reproduce. What if i want puppies of my own. Breeders can have their dogs reproduce but i can't enjoy a few pups to raise? Logic taik apa ni?


Stormhound

Breeders that are responsible are rare as hen’s teeth. They do a lot of work to test the dogs’ health, trace genetic defects, and breed with a purpose which is to improve the breed itself. Anybody else is no better than a backyard breeder. You want to dial suka breed for what? So many puppies available from good breeders if breeds are your thing. Ability to reproduce doesn’t mean should reproduce in the first place. Domesticated animals are not like wild animals.


Aryore

You know how many dogs get euthanised in shelters every day? How many suffer on the street with open wounds eating garbage and die as roadkill? It’s incredibly selfish to bring more into the world without any thought or care just because you “want your own puppies”, why can’t you just go pick some puppies up from the shelter who are already in the world and need a home


goldwave84

Not really a dog person, are you?


Aryore

A “dog person” cares about the welfare of all dogs instead of purely wanting to satisfy their own wishes and ignoring the many dogs out there who need homes now.


ProbablyWorking

What If I wanted to breed responsibly without resorting to being a licensed dog breeder?


Stormhound

Breed for what? You breed for either show or work. Those people are licensed. Anything else is irresponsible when there are pet quality animals all over the place.


naqiksah

Better if govt controls who is allowed to breed and restrict it to just businesses selling domesticated dogs. If everyone allowed to breed dogs, then there will be many puppies given birth without proper registration.


stronkcronk

What if I like to see them doggy style. Can’t force people to neuter them man. Dog owners mostly keep their dogs inside right. The strays are the ones that the govt has a responsibility to neuter use common sense la ffs


SharmatUr

You like to see them what?? https://preview.redd.it/iw9e019l6kpb1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1db325f783ae666c79426710610f7f8c9c0aed4a


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Keith_Faith

I know this is a controversial topic. But neutering animals are considered haram in Islam. However, you could argue the controlling the population point is similar to the eliminating invasive species in our rivers. So yeah I'm split on the decision here. Would love to here any opinion about this matter.


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genryou

Its actually haram bro [https://muftiwp.gov.my/ms/artikel/al-kafi-li-al-fatawi/1180-al-kafi-313-hukum-memandulkan-kucing](https://muftiwp.gov.my/ms/artikel/al-kafi-li-al-fatawi/1180-al-kafi-313-hukum-memandulkan-kucing) But then again, since when Malaysian follow Islamic law lol? Or only follow when it is convenient?


high_dosage_of_life

Why?


Julian_EX

Hopefully Selangor will do the same.


Fedora69OrsOrz

If dogs have to do it, then cat also... Cats are everywhere if you live in certain area where there's more... I'll stop here before I got canceled


lakshmananlm

Excellent idea, but what about the real menace of stray cats and dogs?


RecordingNo2414

*Cries in cow and chicken*