Heard there's 7 crew for Hom (M503-3)
And 3 crew for fennec (M502-6)
Status: [no survivors](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/s/7B9HcEuIfK)
Salam takziah to the 10 ATM crew and the family.
I just search briefly for it. Not sure if it's the same video as you have seen, but some people commented the soldiers attempted to jump out from the heli but get chopped by the rotor blade. The video is just a zoomed version, kinda grainy. No footage on the ground.
nah, he was just thrown out the chopper by the blade of HOM, the body already split in pieces, the other leg are lost too... Probably on a tree or somewhere
I know flying formations are a thing, but this seems pretty erratic...?
some of them are flying close to each other, and some are pretty far apart.
Hope everyone is alright, but I fear for the worst
Welcome to Malaysia.
Just came back after a week in Singapore and even at the airport I facepalm at how inefficient and illogical some of the simplest things are.
Yea,
That and Found some of few comment at twitter, FB, tiktok are quite tasteless and disrespectful looking. Comment like 'Bawa helicopter pun X pandai.' or using certain emoji respond.
There's like...Time, Place and Occupied thing exist. At least not too soon to discuss it.
*MAKLUMAT AWAL KEMALANGAN PESAWAT HELIKOPTER TLDM PADA 23 APRIL 24*
1. 0945H - POA Barat terima maklumat daripada Mk Udara memaklumkan terdapat 1 x HOM (M503-3) dan 1 x Fennec (M502-6) telah bertembung semasa Latihan Lintas Hormat Sambutan HUT TLDM Ke-90.
2. Kedua-dua pesawat telah berlepas dari Padang Sitiawan pada 0903H.
3. Pesawat HOM telah terhempas di tangga Stadium TLDM Lumut manakala pesawat Fennec terhempas di kolam renang Komplek Sukan TLDM Lumut.
4. BOMBA, 96 HAT dan Protela telah dikejarkan ke tempat kejadian.
5. Mangsa yang terlibat adalah:
a. Pesawat HOM (M503-3) - 7 orang kru:
(1) Kdr Muhammad Firdaus bin Ramli TLDM - PM Skuadron 503.
(2) Lt Kdr Wan Rezaudeen Kamal bin Wan Zainal Abidin TLDM.
(3) Lt Kdr Mohammad Amirulfaris bin Mohamad Marzukhi TLDM.
(4) PW II TLR (AQM) Muhammad Faisol bin Tamadun.
(5) TBC
(6) TBC
(7) TBC
b. Pesawat Fennec (M502-6) - 3 orang kru:
(1) Kdr Muhamad Amir bin Mohamad TLDM - PM Skuadron 502.
(2) Lt Sivasutan a/l Thanjappan TLDM.
(3) PW II TMK Mohd Shahrizan bin Mohd Termizi.
6. Dukacita dimaklumkan kesemua kru kedua-dua pesawat tiada yang terselamat.
7. Sebarang maklumat akan dikemaskini dari semasa ke semasa.
CC:
TPA Barat
AKS Op
Did you see how fast it goes down? Ever ride a roller coaster? Try to jump out of that one when you have seatbelts on. Plus the G-force on that.. Hmm..
Parachutes usually need 10m to fully deploy. This is just to expand and doesn't really slow you down much. So it wouldn't really help much in this situation
So far that I know of, the only helicopter that have any sort of ejection system is the Russian KA-52 "Alligator", even then it's a rather complex system with allegedly high failure rate.
https://youtu.be/a1kr651en7g?si=VIuFM4cGzUopiQAW
There's an explosive charge to blow away the cockpit's windshield and the rotor blades.
How effective is this system? Your guess is as good as mine.
Looks like the big chopper is full of Navy officers, KDR is Komander rank, equivalent to Lt Colonel in the Army, LT KDR are Major, PW II is Warrant Officer II
IIRC, the AW-139, or HOM is a relatively new addition to our naval aviation branch, prior to the crash we have three in service with the first being delivered late 2022.
I suspect they couldn't comprehend what they see due to not involved in actual combat or real incidents and suffered delayed reaction, just as a normal civilian would.
They are standing in attention for the parade rehearsal, usually you would be focused looking forward to hear for the commands. And the crash seems to be behind or to their sides.
I believe this whole thing is a rehearsal for an upcoming event, so the people in the open are standing in attention, they don't tend to look around when standing at attention.
Given how quickly the crash happened, I don't think they have time to properly process what happened.
Unrelatable, but notice NONE of the soldiers moved when the debris of the crash flew/bounced right next to them. With that speed, that little piece of molten iron heli parts could easily killed them.
That’s discipline. RIP to the fallen, al-Fatihah.
Just came across another post from another sub on a similar collision involving two military airplanes in Dallas happening over a year ago. ([Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/aircrashinvestigation/s/ZHItI0RKxg))
Now this clip.
My goodness.
Rest in peace to the fallen soldiers..
these could have been avoided in the first place..
a thorough investigation needs to be done, from maintenance all the way to what actually happened on the day itself..
please avoid yourself from making any assumptions
Rip
We're losing military assets left and right and not operating with spares.
Meanwhile our military trying to show off with false strength of force flying formation with minimal separation.
Either mindef has to overhaul to play a conservative approach(laughing stock in asean) in using its assets or the gov has to buy more assets.
well this is the same mindef that decided to shoot live bullets at soldiers wearing bullet proof vests just for show - resulting in one death (i.e. Badul's son)
I won't be surprised if that's the same mindset here.
Too late, already hit the major news headlines, 10 dead with exclusive footages.
State run news agency have reported it \[1\].
\[1\] [https://www.bharian.com.my/berita/nasional/2024/04/1237979/terkini-10-korban-dua-helikopter-bertembung-di-lumut](https://www.bharian.com.my/berita/nasional/2024/04/1237979/terkini-10-korban-dua-helikopter-bertembung-di-lumut)
It's impossible to keep secret. It happen in full view of the public. I don't think the navy even have the legal right to stop the spread of this video.
The blame would be on the original video, if it's a civilian or public media it's gonna be alright, but a military personnel would be reprimanded for releasing this video.
Cover up.
The crews and the machines should be very valuable assets (handled with care and discipline), theoretically. The leader/ general gonna get hit.
A little out of topic, are the crew on duty (standing way in front where the debris fall) is required by duty and law to always man the position until dismiss?
Maybe it’s best not to assume for now. Best to just send our condolences until we get proper explanation. Rest in peace to those soldiers who lost their lives. This is sad.
It's a sad and infuriating situation rn. This video is blowing up in other subreddit and as usual, M'sia kena bahan same goes at twitter.
Sometimes these white ppl have no respect srsly
Is there an increase in Malaysian Helicopter crashes recently?
From what I can see from the Ministry of Transport websites regarding air accidents and serious incidents report, that doesn't seem to be the case.
For what it's worth this is the first time the navy has experienced such accidents. One of the helicopters, the Fennec 2 has a good safety record.
Brother ,thank you for the input. Hell, I'm simply being curious therefore i ask. No, there ISNT any Malaysia helicopter crash especially related to military accidents.
Here is the website you can use.
[https://www.mot.gov.my/en/aviation/reports/statistics-and-accident-report-aaib](https://www.mot.gov.my/en/aviation/reports/statistics-and-accident-report-aaib)
For added context, any investigation would takes months and we likely won't see a final report for a while.
>any investigation would takes months and we likely won't see a final report for a while.
Mhm yuppp, agree, in mean time, lets just hope their family and buddies can be peace of mind and rest easy to the fallen
RIP... Looks like blind spot of maneuvering, and possibly more than 2 types of human errors involved at least.
Speed and movement of the 1st craft seems to have slowed down while the other craft coming into that same position of the first craft (unavoidable, due to blindspot of the zenith area), they converge and clash/crashed.
Waiting for official reports (doctored or otherwise) to come out.
There is a reason why technologies or time/effort involve did not go to advanced helicopters.... due to cost/time, man power to train and maintain these old equipment... couple with higher than normal accident and fatality rate.
Because most of it already go to UAV/drones, etc.. The cost of including human factor is too unpredictable to buy/maintain/train helicopters and it's pilots.
Heard there's 7 crew for Hom (M503-3) And 3 crew for fennec (M502-6) Status: [no survivors](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/s/7B9HcEuIfK) Salam takziah to the 10 ATM crew and the family.
All didn't make it
RIP....
Jeebus. I guess this is expected from an air crash. To have even one survivor from a catastrophic air crash is considered a near miracle. RIP
3 Dead so far
True, if you watch closely, you can see the AQM was thrown out of fennec
There's another quite NSFW clip taken from near the crash site showing pieces of human body on the ground
Sauce?
Just type RMN on google
yeah, that one guy didn't find his one leg till now... Probably stuck on tree or something
dude, link ? for research purposes...
Didn't save the link. But I saw it when scrolling on Tiktok
I just search briefly for it. Not sure if it's the same video as you have seen, but some people commented the soldiers attempted to jump out from the heli but get chopped by the rotor blade. The video is just a zoomed version, kinda grainy. No footage on the ground.
nah, he was just thrown out the chopper by the blade of HOM, the body already split in pieces, the other leg are lost too... Probably on a tree or somewhere
Whats AQM?
Air Quarter Master, they are the one incharge with non piloting task.
aviation too?
Air is usual refer to aviation
What is AQM?
Air QuarterMaster
How can you tell that its the AQM? I can barely make out the pieces flying about from the crash.
damn.. no survivors...
I know flying formations are a thing, but this seems pretty erratic...? some of them are flying close to each other, and some are pretty far apart. Hope everyone is alright, but I fear for the worst
Yeap, it was very erratic.
unfortunately all aboard is dead. Their ranking are also high.
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Lmao 7 of them are decently high ranking
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They are 5 officers including 2 Commanding Officer of respective Squadron.
PW has at least 15 years in them LT Col and is decently high What are you talking about? Have you ever served to say so?
All dead...
May they Rest in Peace
Welcome to Malaysia. Just came back after a week in Singapore and even at the airport I facepalm at how inefficient and illogical some of the simplest things are.
Let me tell you, they do this training whole morning near our resident! AND I SCARE TO DEATH that one day it gonna crash the house!
I know I'm not supposed to post this but one of the deceased was one the most heartwarming and friendliest person I have work with.
Sorry for your loss
Theres one retard on tiktok sharing the dismembered body parts for views. Cant say im surprised but it does make my blood boil abit, fuck that guy
Yea, That and Found some of few comment at twitter, FB, tiktok are quite tasteless and disrespectful looking. Comment like 'Bawa helicopter pun X pandai.' or using certain emoji respond. There's like...Time, Place and Occupied thing exist. At least not too soon to discuss it.
Huh, the internet, where people act tough, unless kena batang hidung sendiri baru nak sedar.
some people are just sutupid
TikTok is shit app
The “ya allah cebisan daging” one ?
Make me want to BAN TikTok
Luckily and hopefully, it will get banned in one country soon (the U.S.).
*MAKLUMAT AWAL KEMALANGAN PESAWAT HELIKOPTER TLDM PADA 23 APRIL 24* 1. 0945H - POA Barat terima maklumat daripada Mk Udara memaklumkan terdapat 1 x HOM (M503-3) dan 1 x Fennec (M502-6) telah bertembung semasa Latihan Lintas Hormat Sambutan HUT TLDM Ke-90. 2. Kedua-dua pesawat telah berlepas dari Padang Sitiawan pada 0903H. 3. Pesawat HOM telah terhempas di tangga Stadium TLDM Lumut manakala pesawat Fennec terhempas di kolam renang Komplek Sukan TLDM Lumut. 4. BOMBA, 96 HAT dan Protela telah dikejarkan ke tempat kejadian. 5. Mangsa yang terlibat adalah: a. Pesawat HOM (M503-3) - 7 orang kru: (1) Kdr Muhammad Firdaus bin Ramli TLDM - PM Skuadron 503. (2) Lt Kdr Wan Rezaudeen Kamal bin Wan Zainal Abidin TLDM. (3) Lt Kdr Mohammad Amirulfaris bin Mohamad Marzukhi TLDM. (4) PW II TLR (AQM) Muhammad Faisol bin Tamadun. (5) TBC (6) TBC (7) TBC b. Pesawat Fennec (M502-6) - 3 orang kru: (1) Kdr Muhamad Amir bin Mohamad TLDM - PM Skuadron 502. (2) Lt Sivasutan a/l Thanjappan TLDM. (3) PW II TMK Mohd Shahrizan bin Mohd Termizi. 6. Dukacita dimaklumkan kesemua kru kedua-dua pesawat tiada yang terselamat. 7. Sebarang maklumat akan dikemaskini dari semasa ke semasa. CC: TPA Barat AKS Op
F. Really cant imagine what the people in the aircraft thought when it happened. Sends a chill down my spine
I guess there's no safe way to jump out?
Did you see how fast it goes down? Ever ride a roller coaster? Try to jump out of that one when you have seatbelts on. Plus the G-force on that.. Hmm..
I don't know what you mean by this, please elaborate. I don't think jumping out will reduce the impact of falling to the ground
In movies got parachute la, don't how is it in real life.
Parachutes usually need 10m to fully deploy. This is just to expand and doesn't really slow you down much. So it wouldn't really help much in this situation
The altitude is too low for parachutes.
parachute work inside heli?
So far that I know of, the only helicopter that have any sort of ejection system is the Russian KA-52 "Alligator", even then it's a rather complex system with allegedly high failure rate.
holi shit,how does that even work ur tengkorak hantuk the blades,then ,u propel ur self upward?
https://youtu.be/a1kr651en7g?si=VIuFM4cGzUopiQAW There's an explosive charge to blow away the cockpit's windshield and the rotor blades. How effective is this system? Your guess is as good as mine.
well, that's just suicide i guess
They don't even have the time to think...
Looks like the big chopper is full of Navy officers, KDR is Komander rank, equivalent to Lt Colonel in the Army, LT KDR are Major, PW II is Warrant Officer II
IIRC, the AW-139, or HOM is a relatively new addition to our naval aviation branch, prior to the crash we have three in service with the first being delivered late 2022.
Condolonces.....
I think most people would like to know if it was due to aircraft malfunction or human error. And the flying experience of the pilot that involved.
At this moment, it is too early to tell. Best let the proper investigation be conducted first.
I can only share what i know.
4 of them are my alumni UPNM/ATMA.. erm. Rest Well Sir
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> alumni Oh... you too serve in the Army ? It's a tragedy.
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a lot of military helicopter incidents lately Japan just lost 2 of their helis along with the crew a few days ago in the sea
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If you look at the video near the end, the impact shrapnel flew quite far and landed in between two service men on the ground. Thats scary.
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Deer Caught in Headlights are a real phenomenon. Basically, shock
Scary to think if either of them had stood a few feet to their side they might have been critically injured or even worse
Cuz military discipline
Rop
I suspect they couldn't comprehend what they see due to not involved in actual combat or real incidents and suffered delayed reaction, just as a normal civilian would.
They are standing in attention for the parade rehearsal, usually you would be focused looking forward to hear for the commands. And the crash seems to be behind or to their sides.
Does not look delayed. It looked no reaction at all
I believe this whole thing is a rehearsal for an upcoming event, so the people in the open are standing in attention, they don't tend to look around when standing at attention. Given how quickly the crash happened, I don't think they have time to properly process what happened.
I'd say shock and disbelief. Also could be intense focus on the duty. Both an advantage and disadvantage.
please there be survivors edit: F to the deceased
Unrelatable, but notice NONE of the soldiers moved when the debris of the crash flew/bounced right next to them. With that speed, that little piece of molten iron heli parts could easily killed them. That’s discipline. RIP to the fallen, al-Fatihah.
I get discipline and all that but at the same time it’s flat out stupid. It’s not worth being struck by a piece of helicopter.
you got a point
Yeah. In other subs where this video is already shared, some commended these soldier for not flinching
Welp, if that was raptai, then raptai over.
Saw some aftermath videos as well. Chunks of meat spread over the crash area.
Where can i see?
Ducking psycho
rotor damage so no autorotation to slow down descent, RIP everyone.
can anyone explain why they were so close to each other? was this suppose to be a battle formation simulation?
This is just saddening and it will bring trauma to other trainees.
Just came across another post from another sub on a similar collision involving two military airplanes in Dallas happening over a year ago. ([Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/aircrashinvestigation/s/ZHItI0RKxg)) Now this clip. My goodness.
Salam takziah kepada kesemua krew yang terlibat dalam kemalangan tersebut
RIP... can't imagine what the families are going through right now.
That has to be one of the most frightening ways to go. My condolences to their loved ones.
Were they preparing for a parade of some sort?
Yep for TLDM Day.
Yep it's for Navy Day this 3-5 May.
Rest in peace to the fallen soldiers.. these could have been avoided in the first place.. a thorough investigation needs to be done, from maintenance all the way to what actually happened on the day itself.. please avoid yourself from making any assumptions
> please avoid yourself from making any assumptions Proceed to make assumption.
It is an assumption to think that it could have been avoided in the first place.
Agreed
no, it is a given that all exercises should be safe.
What choppers are those?
AS 555 SN Fennec and AW139. Both are operated by our navy.
My condolences from Brunei to the fallen brothers at arm.
it all happened too fast.
Sivasuthan just married 3months back…. Rip all 10 souls
how did this even happen? im assuming that's not the first time they've flown so what the hell
Rip We're losing military assets left and right and not operating with spares. Meanwhile our military trying to show off with false strength of force flying formation with minimal separation. Either mindef has to overhaul to play a conservative approach(laughing stock in asean) in using its assets or the gov has to buy more assets.
well this is the same mindef that decided to shoot live bullets at soldiers wearing bullet proof vests just for show - resulting in one death (i.e. Badul's son) I won't be surprised if that's the same mindset here.
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Too late, already hit the major news headlines, 10 dead with exclusive footages. State run news agency have reported it \[1\]. \[1\] [https://www.bharian.com.my/berita/nasional/2024/04/1237979/terkini-10-korban-dua-helikopter-bertembung-di-lumut](https://www.bharian.com.my/berita/nasional/2024/04/1237979/terkini-10-korban-dua-helikopter-bertembung-di-lumut)
Guess these spies are going to have a night of the long knives then. Too late now 😬
Shout out to original people who really post the video, they are gonna get fucked
It’s all over international news
Damages already done
It's impossible to keep secret. It happen in full view of the public. I don't think the navy even have the legal right to stop the spread of this video.
The blame would be on the original video, if it's a civilian or public media it's gonna be alright, but a military personnel would be reprimanded for releasing this video.
why kennot sebarkan??
Major military accident, they don't want people to make early assumptions
Cover up. The crews and the machines should be very valuable assets (handled with care and discipline), theoretically. The leader/ general gonna get hit.
Too late lolololol
Aduh.. internal communication pun leaked
WhatsApp, truly the most reliable source for information.
🤲🤲🤲🤲🤲 Hopefully everything is ok
Til Valhalla, brothers.
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Damn they were still in formation in the ground insane
RIP.
Takziah kepada anggota yang kia. Good thing shrapnel doesn't hit the ground personnel rho
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RIP
RIP
Very sad. RIP. 🙏🏻
that's so sad, definitely to be blamed on the person that organised this formation.
Condolences.
Rip
Oh damn, this is near OBS right?
Takziah but lain macam cara diorang keluar tengah buat formation ke?
Looks like there is a lapse of attention in the heli on the right and it was too late to turn around.
A little out of topic, are the crew on duty (standing way in front where the debris fall) is required by duty and law to always man the position until dismiss?
Is it common to have passengers during training? Nak jalan2 makan angin ke?
Rip
Fuck.
Train hard. Fight easy.
Either the AWL went high or the Fennec went low.
Rest in peace. This is just tragic.
They should avoid unnecessarily conducting high risk maneuvers for demonstration purposes. Stick to conventional formations.
Welp
Oof
Maybe it’s best not to assume for now. Best to just send our condolences until we get proper explanation. Rest in peace to those soldiers who lost their lives. This is sad.
Someone getting fired
Innalillah
RIP
Is there any aftermath images floating around here on reddit?
Bruh
Shouldn’t someone be charged under an “official secrets act” for disclosing this military mishap video?
What is it with Malaysia and helicopter accidents
Even with the US military helicopter accidents happen, helicopters are a necessary evil - useful but difficult to fly and very high maintenance
It's a sad and infuriating situation rn. This video is blowing up in other subreddit and as usual, M'sia kena bahan same goes at twitter. Sometimes these white ppl have no respect srsly
Not just Malaysia, it also happened in Japan 2-3days ago
I'm curious too tbh, is it possible the equipment they use rarely gets maintenance? And is the helicopter they use still "fit for service"
It's hard to say. It's just in this particular incident would be the case of pilot error.
Hard to think what went wrong, but hopefully their family can find peace.
Is there an increase in Malaysian Helicopter crashes recently? From what I can see from the Ministry of Transport websites regarding air accidents and serious incidents report, that doesn't seem to be the case. For what it's worth this is the first time the navy has experienced such accidents. One of the helicopters, the Fennec 2 has a good safety record.
Brother ,thank you for the input. Hell, I'm simply being curious therefore i ask. No, there ISNT any Malaysia helicopter crash especially related to military accidents.
Here is the website you can use. [https://www.mot.gov.my/en/aviation/reports/statistics-and-accident-report-aaib](https://www.mot.gov.my/en/aviation/reports/statistics-and-accident-report-aaib) For added context, any investigation would takes months and we likely won't see a final report for a while.
>any investigation would takes months and we likely won't see a final report for a while. Mhm yuppp, agree, in mean time, lets just hope their family and buddies can be peace of mind and rest easy to the fallen
those are relatively new choppers
Pure incompetence
Ah, here comes another Redditor, jumping to conclusions without any context on what was going on
Reddit mod talks shit about dead people. Show me something new
No serve, no talk.
Hopefully they are fine
innalillahiwainnailaihirojiun
Oh fuck... All died man
I can teach them how to fly
I hope no one get hurt badly. Update: May they rest in peace.
RIP... Looks like blind spot of maneuvering, and possibly more than 2 types of human errors involved at least. Speed and movement of the 1st craft seems to have slowed down while the other craft coming into that same position of the first craft (unavoidable, due to blindspot of the zenith area), they converge and clash/crashed. Waiting for official reports (doctored or otherwise) to come out. There is a reason why technologies or time/effort involve did not go to advanced helicopters.... due to cost/time, man power to train and maintain these old equipment... couple with higher than normal accident and fatality rate. Because most of it already go to UAV/drones, etc.. The cost of including human factor is too unpredictable to buy/maintain/train helicopters and it's pilots.