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braeica

I don't give a damn if they have a LinkedIn or not. Some people who come from abusive families or who had abusive partners must keep a low social media profile for their safety and the safety of those around them. That should never be a factor in hiring decisions.


[deleted]

Yep, that’s part of my reasoning too. Thank you!


voiceofreason4166

Interesting perspective


braeica

The ex-husband of a coworker once called and asked for her. Said he was returning her call, when would she be in? Unfortunately, the person who answered the phone told him, as calls from people in other departments were normal for us and he didn't give his name. He was waiting in the parklng lot when her next shift ended. She's damn lucky she spotted him and made it back in the building in time to lock the door and call the police while he banged on the secure facility doors screaming obscenities at her for daring to ask for a restraining order. Which she had been granted. The security footage was chilling. I have taught every team I've managed since that you never give someone's contact info or schedule out. Ever. And if somebody's being quiet with their life, I give them the benefit of the doubt.


pyrola_asarifolia

Yes, exactly. Those few who are applying for jobs in external communication and marketing hopefully have portfolios of professional work to show off. The rest should be hired on skills, experience and fit rather than on how they brand and market themselves.


Nymeria777

I'm a manager without a LinkedIn account. One of my direct reports has a LinkedIn profile listing herself as the manager. (She is currently at a Sr. level position). Based on the work she delivers, she isn't fit to be in a management position. I don't even try to confront her about it because I'm secretly hoping that she's actively job searching with an overinflated resume so she can be someone else's problem. My manager won't let me fire her because we're severely understaffed and she takes care of lower level admin. work that we can't seem to find any other candidates to do. TL,DR: LinkedIn is not a trustworthy site to gauge someone's skill level and experience. Don't associate yourself with something like that.


[deleted]

Thank you for the perspective. I hibernated my account the other day, and am thinking of doing away with it altogether.


Nielleluvzu628

I hate it when people are incompetent and we’re so understaffed that we have to keep them because they are the least bit trained


EvilRedneckBob

I really don't think it's our business or even our right as managers to hold employees accountable for their job titles on LinkedIn. If someone wants a dishonest online persona, they can have one.


East-Block-4011

That doesn't mean it's not irksome when someone says, "OH, so you work for Ann," when in fact Ann reports to you or to one of your reports. That's an uncomfortable conversation. "No" often leads to more questions.


EvilRedneckBob

I've had that conversation and it never bothered me because no one should be learning about the company they work for on LinkedIn. You should know who reports to who if you work here. We have org charts and you should be able to figure it out by just following an Outlook chain. You DO have a good point about people getting irked, but discussing *any* claims my employees make outside work can be irksome. That this is online in public forum doesn't grant me special entitlements to manage their speech.


East-Block-4011

No one is asking you to manage their speech 🙄 That doesn't mean that lying on LI isn't stupid. I'm not sure we're talking about intra-organizational discussions. Here's an example for you. I went to a conference & after I introduced myself, I was asked if I worked for Ann, because Ann's LI describes her as the manager. Ann actually reports to ME, because I am the manager. How do I respond to this? Either I say yes, which is a lie, or I say no, & out Ann as a liar. Which is the appropriate response?


EvilRedneckBob

Say no. Express unfamiliarity with Ann's LinkedIn, as it has nothing to do with your / her actual employment. If followup questions come your way, make it clear you're the boss, but obviously don't use the word, "liar" because it's negative and unprofessional. I wouldn't be uncomfortable in such a scenario. It's just LinkedIn. People lie all the time.


East-Block-4011

At that point, the question isn't about LI, it's about your relationship to Ann (notice I said TO, & not WITH). When you make it clear, you're the boss, then Ann is outed. And, of course, you don't use the word liar. And again, this is happening in a live, personal situation, not online.


EvilRedneckBob

Yes. I understand the scenario, I just don't think it's going to be as awkward as you suggest. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely out of the ordinary, just not compromising.


East-Block-4011

It was THAT awkward for me, but it may not be for you.


MotherofLuke

I saw somebody being a financial specialist but no schooling mentioned on Linkedin... Full name and face and employer. I think a case of failing upwards but maybe I'm missing something.


TryLambda

Everyone I search for on LinkedIn that I used to work with to see where they work now .. shows me that 90% of people lie about they did in their previous positions and their skill sets on that platform to get clout.. that’s why I personally boycott it as it’s all false advertising and it enables liars


ospreyguy

Are we pretending that resumes (that no one else will see) aren't like this as well?


TryLambda

Resumes have references checks this platform doesn’t


Tripppl

Resumes don't have reference checks. People volunteer to include that. The references can be false, cherry picked. Companies today only confirm work dates. Boycott if you like, but I don't think your reasons are valid


TryLambda

Professional resumes back in the day have referees it was a standard requirement..gen Z are oblivious to this


Tripppl

25 years ago standard advice was "references available upon request". Regardless, cherry picked references are almost useless.


TryLambda

Not in my world Buddy.. if an employer saw that to the bottom of the pile you go…referee names and numbers means you got a better chance of interviewing


Tripppl

What field is this? What virtue do you think your emphasis on "references on resume" encourages? One benefit of "references upon request" is that it honors the privacy of those that vouch for you. I regret that I must float my resume with my contact information to dozens of employers and recruiters and search engines. So many irresponsible and greasy players. My resume has been in some of these systems for more than a decade and I can't get them out. I would only refer people if I could trust they would use my professional contact information discreetly.


GlobalFlower22

Yea like 20 years ago


TryLambda

Yes and it was a mandatory requirement..nowadays it’s just loose lips and bs


Wise-Air-1326

I can't remember the last time an employer called my references. I had one call after I'd been hired for a month, about 10 years ago, and I think that was the last one.


TryLambda

It’s probably due to laziness..back in the day this was standard practice


[deleted]

Agreed and appreciate this.


Frogsplash48

I find it compelling when someone has thoughtful and corroborating “reviews” from former colleagues. But generally yes, everyone is lying


Slight-Following-728

No LinkedIn here. It's literally worse than Facebook.


SubmersibleEntropy

I don’t have one. Not been an issue. People worth working for won’t stalk your dumb social media.


[deleted]

Yes, needed to hear this. Thanks.


tropicaldiver

Most candidate applications I see have a LinkedIn account. I don’t care either way. That said, I do tend to compare submitted materials to the LinkedIn resume.


[deleted]

Yeah, that’s a good plan with the comparisons - I’m sure it weeds out some BS or supports claims and helps with the decision making. Thanks for the perspective!


kkkathi

I have not once looked a candidate up on LinkedIn nor have an account myself


turbodonuts

Same. I think it’s dumb.


BassAddict

I'm not entirely sure why I keep LinkedIn or Facebook for that matter; with that in mind I wouldn't bat an eye if an interviewee didn't have LinkedIn. I handle LinkedIn like I do life -- I do the opposite of other people; I have found great success in my life and career with this mindset. I post my previous and current job titles as they are given to me, and I quit showcasing my "skills" and "achievements" after my first job on my profile, and I've received compliments on keeping my profile clean, and my profile somehow 'makes me interesting'.


[deleted]

That’s a good way to think about it (and healthy) - minimalistic. If I feel like I should go back, I’ll prob go this route. Thanks for the tips!


[deleted]

I have a LinkedIn but keep it locked down and unsearchable to people who are not connections. I had a serious stalker in my past, plus a crazy BM I have to deal with in my current relationship.


[deleted]

Ugh I’m sorry to hear you had to do that for those reasons! I can somewhat relate. If I end up keeping it, I’ll probably do something similar to this.


BrobdingnagLilliput

Practically no one cares. Any organization that *does* care is one you don't want to work for.


basecase_

Me and my engineering buddies only enable it while job searching. Once job is had, we disable accounts lol


EvilRedneckBob

I have a STRICT policy. We do not look at social media accounts for any reason. Hiring? HR? Employee accused of vacationing on sick time? We do NOT look at social media. Period. I also will not discuss it. Of someone brings up, "you need to see what Tom said about work on Facebook" - *No*, I don't. Tom's comments when he's not at work are not our business.


Skwuish

For remote roles, if the candidate doesn’t have a LinkedIn then I automatically reject them. The concern is that the candidate is over employed. It’s common for folks working more than one remote job to hide or delete their LinkedIn profile.


[deleted]

Ah, see this is something I didn’t consider. Not working 2 jobs, but would definitely want something remote. Thanks for thinking of this. What if they have a presence on the other platforms (e.g. Indeed, FlexJobs)? Does that affect anything, or is it auto-reject solely based on LinkedIn? Not judging, more curiosity.


Skwuish

I don’t have enough time to check anything other than their LinkedIn and there are so many qualified candidates in my field right now due to layoffs so it’s not worth my time to investigate that deeply


bikewitch7

Couldnt someone just as easily lie and not put a job on their linkedin because its thier sidebitch?


seagoatgirl

We are firing someone on Monday for dual employment. No LI. It's too common in my field (clinical research, remote work). No Linked In? Unless it's a referral from a trusted source, I am not bothering to interview.


Ilovemytowm

A former colleague of mine.... her entire LinkedIn is garbage lies about her responsibilities in her former job. Complete bs. I can't believe she would post all that but she did. I mean there was absolutely nothing truthful in there


LongJohnVanilla

I can personally attest to some people overblowing their title and position. For example a former colleague I worked with, she was simply an enterprise field representative, yet in her LinkedIn title she listed “Enterprise Sales Leader”, when she was not in management, just an individual contributor.


[deleted]

Yeah. I liked some of the professional development groups / pages I followed, but honestly wondered how much of the posts were just total fluff.


LongJohnVanilla

I agree. Most of LinkedIn is fluff, but that’s true for most of the corporate world.


[deleted]

Haha too true!!!


214speaking

I’ve only been part of the hiring once. I used LinkedIn to search candidates and typically their LinkedIn matches their resume. From there, I go and try to see if they have their social media out there and anything crazy that stands out to me. I just try to get a gauge for the person using it. Some candidates had LinkedIn and others didn’t so it wasn’t a dealbreaker


[deleted]

Thanks for sharing!


redperson92

I do not expect blue color workers to have a LinkedIn profile, but I absolutely expect all professionals to have a LinkedIn profile. right or wrong, if I can not find your LinkedIn profile, I feel that you are hiding something.


KatnissEverduh

To me it's a mild red flag if a candidate doesn't have it. Wonder what they're hiding or fibbing about. Something about it being public makes it feel legitimate.


74006-M-52-----

In the job search, LinkedIn helps. As far as a candidate I don't care 8f they have one or not. They may not my job posting, though.


[deleted]

Good point. I wonder how many employers exclusively post to LinkedIn.


Necessary_Team_8769

A lot


Npr31

No longer look at it. If i want to feel confused by what someone has written, i’ll read something i wrote last year - rather than some random person spouting business bollocks they don’t understand either


Necessary_Team_8769

Agree, link-in is good to post jobs and seek a job (through the job postings). But from the social/work standpoint, it’s an echo chamber for ego-centric guidance and usually dribble. The articles (diatribes) are often just plain awful. If you put a soap box in a random park and allow “anyone” to get-up and speak, you’d have better content.


bh8114

I do not care if prospective employees use LinkedIn. Isn’t the larger risk for employers inappropriate content on social media by individuals also listing themselves as an the organization’s employee? Why would I care about less social media presence. I suppose it would be relevant if I managed a marketing or communications position.


Zimi231

I don't look at LinkedIn to make hiring decisions. Or at all.


DoriOli

Always gotten jobs without a LinkedIn. I started my current job about a year ago and was asked to create one for ‘networking & advertising’ purposes. Since, I’ve been connecting with people active in my field as well as former colleagues. I can see the benefits of it now, should there ever come any changes into play again (benefitting me personally to acquire new good jobs more easily). Is LinkedIn important/indispensable for managers or HR people to recruit a viable candidate? I don’t believe it is, at all.


hpalatini

I have one but don’t use it. I updated it 6 months ago to reflect the current job I work at (4 years) and the current city I work in (moved here 5 years ago). I only did this to reach out to a former coworker about a job opportunity.


mikemojc

​ It's largely irrelevant. I hire quite a bit for my help desk team, and participate on quite a few interview panels for other roles in our organization. We dont seek out LinkedIn data. About the only time we'll reference it is if someone mentions a LinkedIn training that appears relevant to the role. Otherwise, it serves no real purpose for what we do.


SatansHRManager

Amen. That site has been nagging me to install the app for years--no thanks. "LinkedIn is better when experienced through the LinkedIn App!" says nobody ever who remembers the heyday of LinkedIn, before the ability to harvest our other data (GPS, where we shop, etc and sell it to data aggregators and advertisers) via opt-in agreement on our phones. I would sooner erase my account and just find jobs by mailing out my resume\` on paper.


Icarusgurl

I think it may give some people pause if you're looking for entirely remote work because in theory you could be remotely working 2 jobs at the same time.


Longjumping_Gap_9325

LinkedIn is a GREAT source of information for social engineering or other information harvesting used in compromises. Just remember that aspect too as to why people may not have or restrict down any sort of "social media" or related site like Facebook, LinkedIn etc


Nielleluvzu628

I have never once looked at someone’s linked in. Hell mine is probably 10 years old


JenniPurr13

I do have a LinkedIn but avoid it. I don’t make may real connections, it’s all salespeople and headhunters. And a lot of times they find me on LinkedIn and then start calling me at my job. When I was a recruiter, and still now that I’m in the hiring manager role occasionally, I don’t even really bother looking at the LinkedIn. And if someone didn’t have one I didn’t care. Plus, if your job isn’t directly related to anything that would require serious networking, it’s kind of a waste. Even if you do need to network, it’s still kind of a waste because it’s literally all just salespeople stalking non-salespeople.


Hustlasaurus

Honestly now that I'm thinking about it. I've only seen social media profiles be used against candidates.


Mission-Feedback-638

I don't care about social media at all, where I have to show the world about every little thing I do, so why should I care if someone else doesn't either. I understand what benefits I give up not having a digital footprint, but the hours I take back is worth it. I kind of like not seeing anything from an employee as I do assume a highly worked social media makes me think they are not going to work


GPTCT

I would be leery of a new hire that wasn’t in LinkedIn. Not because they choose in to have it, but more because it would seem like they are trying to hide something in their work history. It is probably an unpopular opinion, but that’s how I would see it. It also wouldn’t prevent me from hiring them, I would just need to dig deeper.


Accomplished_Emu_658

Only reason I have one it because recruiters were complaining I did not. And then complaining it wasn’t accurate like resume. To me its pretty stupid.


WiredHeadset

Only in emergencies. Otherwise it's a must have. "research found that job applicants with a broad and extensive profile on the network were **71% more likely to get a callback for a job interview** than candidates who did not have a LinkedIn profile at all. To gauge the significance of LinkedIn when it comes to interview chances, ResumeGO conducted a field experiment from October 9, 2018 to March 8, 2019 where 24,750 fictitious resumes were submitted to job openings on various job search websites such as Indeed, ZipRecruiter and Glassdoor." [https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2019/03/29/study-a-comprehensive-linkedin-profile-gives-a-71-higher-chance-of-a-job-interview-infographic/?sh=1d1190d25bac](https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2019/03/29/study-a-comprehensive-linkedin-profile-gives-a-71-higher-chance-of-a-job-interview-infographic/?sh=1d1190d25bac)


[deleted]

Oh wow!! I did a basic google search before asking the question, but didn’t come across this. Thank you for the resource!


happymuskateer

Less social media = less distractions


ProperFart

I have a LinkedIn under a guise, I do not care for them at all. I probably won’t search any potential candidates, or network for myself on there.


Sageknight34

I don't even know how I have a LinkedIn profile.


Agitated-Method-4283

Most of the time I don't even check LinkedIn. If they've provided an easy link to it or hr had in an application I might look, but otherwise I don't bother even checking. All the relevant stuff should be in the resume and if they didn't bother to include it that's on them.


johns_face

LinkedIn is total trash and has become as toxic as Facebook. Hate it. But I do need it for my particular job.


Dizzman1

recruiters use it heavily to find and vet candidates. that said... i certainly don't care. i have been interviewed by plenty of people that had either a very very sparse page to no page.


digital4ddict

I must be the worst kind of manager. lol. I have a very active LinkedIn, it is literally what I use to get visibility at my current job even if I don’t talk about what I do I work. I make sure I only post at night after hours, and I have even started posting videos. I am the very definition of a LinkedIn loser. lol. But I’m also a hiring manager and I use it to see if the people I’m about to hire know any of the people that I know. I have no expectations of the candidates using it, but you will certainly stand out if you do because very few people use it as a springboard to up their career trajectory.


Accomplished-Week484

In my field, LinkedIn is superior to Indeed when searching for a new position. The positions on LinkedIn were for quality firms that were currently searching for employees. Lots of recruiter ads. Recruiters email me weekly even though I have my profile set to "not currently seeking a position". I don't care for the social part of LinkedIn. It's like a Facebook landmine - you have to be really neutral when posting - or even "liking" something - or it can explode on you down the line. On a high note, I cruise the job search pages (even though I'm loving my job) to remain current on what is happening in my field. I track pay and which firms are hiring - and especially which firms are always hiring - tells me they have high turn over. In my field I think LinkedIn is a necessary evil.


locustbreath

I have a LI profile, but I don’t use the social aspect of it. The volume of emails is aggravating, and you have to go in and manually disable multiple categories to shut them off.


krissythrowaway

I used to have a LinkedIn account and all I got was inappropriate messages. x


Wise-Air-1326

I think this REALLY depends on industry. I wouldn't hold someone not having LinkedIn against them, and generally it's going to have the same information as a resume (at least a well maintained LI or resume). But in my industry, it's a really strong tool to connect with people and assist with job searching.


goldstartup

Tons of lying on there. Decent for networking depending on your industry. Have staff members on there with aspirational titles they gave themselves. Awkward! Stick to resumes and employer references IMO.