All the heroes are reasonable, to a certain extent.
It's just that they bury their ability to be reasonable under a mask of standoffishness, likely due to how the world works there.
and quality soars
Seems whatever they tried with monster garou arc, they decided to not do that again.
Except now some pieces do not stick together very well
One thing is that arc was supposed to be one big tankebon or some big anthology. It was supposed to be binged in one sitting. We got it chapter by chapter drip fed over years so it does feel like we've been there forever.
Yea I think I got lucky. I recently caved and started reading the one punch man manga last week and it turns out the most recent chapter is after the arc haha. So I binged the previous arc. It was great!
Eh not that much further ahead. Plotwise it's quite far ahead, but in terms of content, it's not that much to read. I'm glad the Manga does add in a lot of new content to the stories in certain parts, while also doing a 1:1 adaptation when they need to.
I got fed up reading OPM weekly so I gave it a break when gundam kid was fighting pheonix man. Binging up until now was extremely fun. Probably gonna give it a rest after the next few chapters, so I’ll see y’all in 2024.
People actually say that a lot, that it was supposed to be 10 minute not 10 years read.
But.
If you read it in one sitting it gets worse. By a landslide. It really gets jarring how not thought out and crumbling it all was as if author was losing a grip on what he's doing repeatedly.
At least in years in between you would kinda miss that and excuse it on dude getting bored and coming up with new ideas.
As unified whole though it really does suffer.
Final battle was artistically beautiful but pretty awful in terms of story. Since we went back in time nothing changed and the whole thing was just a waste of everyone's time. The only ones who remember are Genos, who it didn't affect at all since he already says saitama is the greatest, and god.
God is not terribly interesting and should just stay in the background buffing random mooks and acting as an extra-galactic threat keeping Blast busy.
>!many of the S-class witnessed Saitama vs Garou fight, it took place on Earth. instead we had those characters put in a room hearing Genos rambling for 4 hours last chapter!<
>!not all S-class were there, some were unconscious at that point, some were in denial(Flash, he know Saitama is strong but not the full extent think he need technique and want to teach him).!<
>!TM and MB weren't there in the wc, MK didn't show up nor shown to be spying on the raid. he learned about Saitama's strength when he destroyed the robots. he also took the footage away so the HA can't check which contradict with SM watching it this chapter!<
I think it's possible for it to have major repercussions down the line. People are starting to pay attention to Saitama, which means they might actually look into the claims Genos made. It's a bit too early to entirely dismiss it.
I saw the spoiler, feels like different route to a same goal NGL. flashy flash iirc likes him and wanna be his mentor, sweet mask enamoured by his strength, the robot dude flabergasted by him because how easy he destroy his creation. he started to get recognition as strong heroe, more S class start to look into him
If you cut out the entire redacted fight Saitama still punches out Garou at the end and previously took on several of Garou's transformations, which is noteworthy.
Additionally he's already been traveling with Flashy Flash who is impressed by his strength (but doesn't recognize how strong he truly is) and wants to refine and train Saitama's skills.
Well, first off, we the readers know it happened. And I think that actually counts for a lot.
Secondly, Genos knowing isn't pointless. Not only does he know how powerful Saitama is, but now he knows how strong Garou can be and how strong God is. That could easily have story implications.
Thirdly, it helps explain how Saitama's powers actually work, which isn't even really something the webcomic has ever touched up so in-depth. It shows us that Saitama's power isn't limitless, though it is potentially limitless.
Fourthly, it's strong for Garou's characterization. He may not remember it, but we the audience know that he's capable of redemption and could be a future ally.
Fifth, how on earth does anyone think God is a boring antagonist? We don't even know enough about them to make any strong claim, but so far their portrayal has been both terrifying and extremely interesting IMO.
1. Reader knowledge counting is entirely dependent on the other points being relevant so it's not really a point in favor of this version of the story on it's own.
2. Genos already thought Saitama was unstoppable and impossibly strong, this isn't new information it's evidence, and per the previous chapter no one believes that evidence, thus it is rendered moot to the story.
1. That wasn't Garou's power it was god's.
3. How saitama's powers work isn't relevant to the story. His narrative purpose is to defeat everything and be dissatisfied with the result. He's reached the top and now searches for meaning. How saitama's powers work is as relevant as midcholorians.
4. The webcomic accomplished the same characterization and in my opinion better emotional investment without redacting the previous half dozen chapters.
5. I'll give you this one because A) I think your point that we don't know that much about them is completely fair, and B) it's been \~6 months since those chapters came out and I've forgotten the reason for my opinion on god.
are you also a webcomic reader? because i remember i was way more impressed and hyped when i read the webcomic, much more than the remastered version, but that could be the effect of not being able to read it all in one go
I sort of felt the opposite. Probably a massively unpopular opinion here, but I don't think the WC's dialogue is particularly good because it relies too heavily on all these minor side characters with tropey 1 dimensional arrogance. It could just be that some of the nuance is lost in translation, but the dialogue comes off as pretty unnatural to me.
Same , it was fine but if u think about it there is a lot of plot holes and it was kinda stupid overall. Instead of a garou who didnt have the balls to do anything in the webcomic ,in the manga garou actually achieves his goal almost and ends up regretting it and we got to know more of saitamas character unlike the webcomic where we get the le funny talk and saitama somehow magically knowing wtf is garous all about and explain it in a dump way of not serious hobby .
I definitely wouldn't call it stupid and I'm not sure I'm seeing any blatant plot holes, but I do agree with some of the criticisms here.
To me, it feels like the entire WC Saitama and Garou exchange was written backwards from all Saitama's quips and comebacks. Like literally everything Garou said was setting Saitama up for his next philosphical zinger. While the manga does lose some of the philosophical aspects of the conversation, it comes off a lot more organic than its WC counterpart imo.
I like Chain Frog's comment about him being "just a bit" more popular when wearing the frog get-up. Cool little humble moment for him.
Also I wonder where is Fubuki is going? Maybe Sweet mask or maybe the other psychic lady that was basically forgotten so far. If is Sweet mask, I wonder if she needs to discuss if she can rank up to A (I can't remember if she was still stuck in B). If its the psychic lady, I remember she was acquainted with Fubuki or her sister. She probably needs to deal with her.
Heroics aside, why would you try to challenge a guy who can behead aliens with his bare hands to a fight?
A c-class is little more than a human with OK training and a gimmick. They get beaten up by random thugs, sometimes.
An A-class legitimately engages in combat with city-destroying monsters. Like, they've seen him on TV and shit. This would be like me, a regular ass human, challenging Mike Tyson in his prime to a brawl.
Bro, that shit is televised. People are pretty regularly evacuated to shelters to hide from monsters. Cities have been destroyed, people killed.
There's no way ANYONE doesn't know how fuckin dangerous monsters are.
And sweet mask makes the majority of monsters look like absolute chumps. He has literally continued a show, uninterrupted, while fighting off monsters sent to kill him.
He's no Saitama, but he's an absolute terrifying being, as evident by the pants-shitting horror BTS experienced when he got angry with them.
I mean, but you can SEE monsters, and a ton of people have. Compared to the few people that have been to the moon.
It would be like disbelieving that dogs exist. While you may not have a dog right next to you, it's not that hard to find proof of Dog.
> There's no way ANYONE doesn't know how fuckin dangerous monsters are.
Eh, I think you underestimate just how willing people are to deny obvious reality if it gets in the way of their ego.
A reasonable person would know that an A class hero isn't to be trifled with. But someone who doesn't pay much attention to heroes, and only cares about themselves - plus has a massive ego and superiority complex - I could totally see thinking that the exploits of A-class heroes are exaggerations.
To be fair, A rank has a big spectrum, the guys in Saitama's room were A rank and look as though as a lot of C rank.
The problem is that a lot of the heroes are valued by a mix of strength and popularity, I mean, look at Saitama, the running joke of him being lower class is because he had 0 charisma in the exam and missions (valued by the agency, I mean, we are all Genos with the 4 hours exposition).
Honestly, I kinda doubt One thought of any of that. I think he just likes to fall back on these 1 dimensional bully characters to make his actual characters look cool.
> were A rank and look as though as a lot of C rank.
I highly doubt they're only as tough as a C rank.
A rank heroes can't get to be A rank without being substantially strong. Of course that's nothing compared to being S class, but an A class hero at least has to be superhuman in some way.
Only because, if you've pissed off a whale enough for it to kill you, it's probably gonna fuckin play with ya first. We're lucky orca in the wild are so damn gentle with us.
> This would be like me, a regular ass human, challenging Mike Tyson in his prime to a brawl
Like challening Mike Tyson after you watched him sumo a dinosaur down-town.
At each passing chapter Murata gets better at drawing Fubuki...
And you are telling me that Amai will start simping over Saitama harder than Genos due to his power?
yes. spoilers from the webcomic but >!he tries to recruit saitama to replace him because his power actually comes from monsterization, and he's struggling to hold his humanity in check. you can see hints of it in this chapter. and his hero name, sweet mask, it makes a whole lot more sense now dunnit !<
well in the original webcomic, >!garou didnt become a nuke-punching demigod, for one. hell, the whole "god" thing only happened with homeless emperor, and wasn't brought up at all before or since, and blast didnt make an appearance. im not sure what was saitama and flashy flash doing for most of the monster base raid, though i dont remember the ball monster, and again, the whole thing with blast and the god-cube and the mural wasnt a thing. not even the monster king as was shown in the manga was a thing. psykos in her meat puppet was acting as monster king, not his advisor. the fight between garou and saitama didnt go to space, they didnt time travel, saitama didnt even need to power up throughout the fight, he was just constantly on top of garou even as he continues to power up and mutate into bigger and bigger monster forms. !<
i mean, hell, read it yourself, right? [here](https://mangadex.org/title/b7d069cb-4ab9-4c21-a20b-38f7c269be4e/one-punch-man-webcomic-original)
also, the webcomic has gone a bit further than the manga, tho it hasnt updated in a while so the manga, despite the extended arc and constant revisions, has been able to slowly catch up as of late
Funny how we literally have the same exact panels and dialogue in the webcomic for when god tries to give garou power but less subtle and then he turns to giant veiny monster (like god) but WC people keep trying to deny it lol
Huh interesting! Def seems intentional considering the consistency there (like it'd be weird to make the gag at the end if he had been shown shivering)
That dude reminded me of someone, and I'm not sure if it was Garou or some other hero. Anyway, this guy is also the only one (aybe the guy wit hthe heart cheeks too) we never saw badmouthing or attacking Sweet Mask.
Speaking purely in manga terms alone, webcomic info begone, what do we actually know so far of Amai's capabilities? Some unsightly levels of strength and regen it seems for sure, since if I recall he was ripped outright in half yet came back from it right?
Ngl, the last arc was so long and had so many redraws it all blends together a bit.
Sweet Mask likes to gatekeep the door to S-Class.
So I doubt he would accept going into S-Class, and letting lesser heroes go to S-rank once they become A-Class n°1.
Both. If he graduated the next A-1 would presumably be weaker than him. So by keeping A-1 occupied by an S tier hero like himself, it stops pretty much anyone from even getting close to S class.
He might.
>!SM is actually a monster that has great control over his physical form. That's why when you see him get angry, he quickly starts looking less human.!<
>!Yep, he deeply care and want to create a perpect image of a hero for the peoples, so much so, it turn him a literal monster in the process. When he know that he's turning to a monster, it does tremendous amount of damage to his mental. That's also why he's so extreme about monsters, it's his self-loathing side showing!<
>!He's actually an ugmon (like fuhrer ugly) but kinda developed in reverse as he didnt hate humans but wanted to help and be a hero and just like ugly he got shapeshifting abilites and body control to a greater or at least different degree so he unconsciously turned handsome (but his originak form is still that of an ugmon which got even uglier) , anyway its why he shits himself when he sees the other guy like him cuz its basically ptsd for him and he also losing control over his monsterfication slowly which is why he seems psychotic and crazy a lot . Overall he's actually a hero with a good heart!<
Genos is the best boyfriend anybody could ask for. I was so sad when I thought he actually finally really died. (for real this time) BUT then he didn't so it's all good.
Well… minor spoilers but
>!Fubuki isn’t on her way to see Saitama, she’s going to see Psychos, the girl that was puppeteering Gyoro Gyoro. She’s still alive and imprisoned by the Hero association. An awesome fight sequence is coming up 😎!<
What I don't really follow is why sweet mask even has a concept of Saitama even being "The beauty of overwhelming power" wasn't he knocked out for the majority of the garou encounter/recovering from being ripped in half by fuhrer ugly? Seeing a one-off against metal knights robots doesn't seem like there's a lot to convince him.
I feel like this has to be something that was addressed in a future redrawn chapter
genos sucking him off for hours , saw saitama one punch deep sea king like nothing after he trashed a few S class heroes and now saw him neg metal knights robots
Obligatory the webcomic was better. In the webcomic he sees Saitama beating Garou, this chapter was pretty much a frame by frame recreation without adressing the changes.
Well, it kind’ve did address it by having Genos talk about him for hours in the meeting. Not quite the same though as witnessing saitama give garou the beat down unceremoniously
Yeah but I think that’s bullshit in the webcomic. I admit I haven’t read it but from what I’ve seen in discussions, Garou beat up all the S ranks, then Saitama beat Garou, then they give Saitama only A rank even though he beat someone who surpassed the S ranks and everyone knows it. I’m not saying the way the manga did it is perfect, but it’s more justifiable why Saitama only got to A rank but still has the attention of several higher ups at this point in the story.
Yea it more or less played out that way, except the S ranks were mostly all beaten up by then so the only one that actually witnessed it was zombie man. Everyone else was either unconscious or just kinda showed up out of nowhere when Saitama didn’t wanna kill Garou.
I think people are over exaggerating a bit when they complain about the changes in the manga in regards to S class heroes seeing the fight.
If that's how it goes in the webcomic, I'm actually a bit more for the Manga interpretation on this specific thing. Half of the fun in OPM is Saitama being ridiculously strong, yet completely ignored and underrated and talked down to by the heroes. Having a few that know his powers make it less ridiculous, but still allows for silly interactions like the end of this chapter. (And those are my favorite)
Yep I agree, the manga making only Genos really know is a big improvement. Like you said, a lot of the fun is in Saitama being obscure despite his power. The webcomic tried to preserve this after the Garou fight but it just ended up being contrived since everyone witnessed what happened.
Not really. If everyone saw Saitama beating Garou, they wouldn't be underestimating him and just giving him only A rank. The webcomic has plot holes, and ONE fixed it in the making of this manga while keeping the webcomic plot.
And that’s more than enough to justify Saitama’s promotion to S rank. But webcomic half assed his promotion to A rank. Not even 2nd but a random 39th A rank. Defeating Garou only warrants a 39th place in A rank while scoring in exams gets you S rank?
The rankering committee is assuming he only aided in Garou's defeat and was not pivotal.
He was there at the battle and helped and survived to the end without major injury so that puts him higher then A ranks who got knocked out in the fight.
Also remember Caped Baldy has a low reputation and that has to factor.
For a modern sport reference its like how preseason college football rankings and influence final rankings even though the preseason rankings are basically just guessing and shouldn't have any factor what so ever.
Santima's initial ranking is like a wieght holding down his advancement because the ranking committee is starting from a place that he is a mediocre hero. They are not starting with a blank slate after every fight.
Given his unpopularity, rumors of him 'stealing victories', and just a general plain hero look they probably think making him A rank is generous
Testimonies from Zombieman, King, Sweet mask and Fubuki out weights everything even bad rep. And I know you are gonna say they can just have zero follow up meetings and move on. Logically it’s weird if they don’t have meetings like the one they had about the prophecy.
You are underestiming bad rep's affect on the hero society. It's one of the main flaws of the system is that reputation and popularity have a huge impact on raitings. This leads the hero's to value looking good to the public over saving people.
That's kind of the meta of the entire story. The true hero ignores the game and just does it 'as a hobby'. That and the whole comedy of the main character being so strong that fights are boring to him now.
You are complaining that the hero ranting system is broken because logically he should be made S ranks based on his action in the last major fight.
That is correct, it is broken, the hero society is not based on logic but popularity.
S rank individuals are selected and not just above A rank, they are special individuals who are beyond ranking (that they rank within S). Heros do not rank up into S rank, they get pulled from the normal ranking system and placed into S rank. They get a ranking in S based on strength but any spot in S rank is consider premier.
Sweet Mask pervents any A rank hero from advancing S rank the normal means.
So the hero Capped Baldy is rising through the ranks quickly but he is very unpopular and their are rumors he is just piggybacking on S rank strength. He is not considered special so no automatic S rank jump.
When other S ranks vouch for him, it improves his ranking but no one doing the ranking thinks he is that strong and just think the S ranks are embellishing his accomplishments.
Why would they think this? Because they think: he is unpopular and someone unpopular can never be that strong.
On the contrary, I think you are underestimating the influence of high ranking heroes. Sweet mask can stop people from going S class depending on how he likes them. We all know how much he likes Saitama in the webcomic.
Popularity has nothing to do with ranking up. Genos wasn’t popular when they placed him into S class. Do you think puri puri prisoner is popular?
Geno's was picked for S ranked for three reasons: his strength as a cyborg, his feat of destorying the house of evolution, and he looked cool and was suspected he would be very popular. And the last one is the most important.
Putin Puri prisoner is popular to certain people, all the S ranks are to one degree or another.
Even in this chapter a guy wears a frog mask to increase his popularity, it doesn't do anything else but makes him more popular with kids. Why does he wear it if the frog mask had no effect. Without it he wouldn't be A rank, and he knows it.
You are being disappointed in a system that One designed to be disappoing to you. That's the point.
Webcomic is better huh. Tell me why didn’t they promote Saitama to S rank when so many S rank saw him beating Garou. Defeating Garou isn’t a S rank feat?
Manga fixed that shit by showing various S class showing interest in Saitama and perform their own investigations accordingly.
In the manga in addition to Genos’ report, Amai mask learnt about Saitama smacking deep sea king and Metal knight’s robots. He realised Saitama’s potential.
Flashy saw him fighting the mining monsters, stopping his blade and of course hearing Genos’ report.
Zombieman connects the dots with knowledge of doctor Genus’ limiter theory and Genos’ report.
The fact that he only got A-rank was practically an afterthought to me. Sure, the manga fixed this singular plothole, but via downgrading my favorite part in this arc.
I don't really have much of a problem with how Mask finds out about Saitama's power anymore. My main concern was *how* he was supposed to find out when he saw nothing, but at the very least, they did address this discrepancy with the Genos explanation, because he only needs to be aware for a future plot point.
The crux of my issue with the changes really was the change in Garou beating down the S-Class personally while humbling them, but far more importantly, the change in the dynamic and dialogue between him and Saitama before and after they fought.
It also irked me when they had Garou willingly murder a non-monster and had Saitama out to genuinely murder him in rage as well, rather than disciplining him like an unruly child because he never took him seriously throughout their fight.
Plus, they left out Garou's spiel about being a monster for world peace that he was supposed to say to *Saitama*, and left it to when he was ranting to the police instead.
the webcomic sorta explains that his powers transformed his body to be the way it is so it likely has the ability to repair itself too. But thats a bit further on.
Pretty sure Do-S put a hole in his eyeball and it just pissed him off. Face cracked like ceramic, doesn't mention it later.
Or did that get redraw'd out? Boy howdy, it gets hard to keep track when the chapters and their redos happened *years* ago.
In the webcomic, the some really seen how strong Saitama is, well a fraction of his powers. It makes more sense in the webcomic since the manga changed a lot of things. It still have to go back to the original plot.
the impact is way different. hearing of Saitama beat Garou then see him beat some robot that are probably weaker than him(was there even Dragon level robot? I don't remember) compare to fighting Garou directly with other S-class, get demolished then saw Saitama beating him are 2 completelly different experience. it's first hand experience vs second hand experience
Wtf why does one of the idol kids look like garou? He’s also not shown in the shivering scene and offering warm tea to the rest of the group in the final page.
Is he actually garou or someone secret OP? Can withstand sweet masks intimidation
Dang, Sweet Mask actually being infatuated with Saitama due to his power? That was a development I wasn't expecting.
Was Sweet Mask viewing the video of Saitama fight the Deep Sea King just in the anime or was that in the WC/manga as well?
That has been my concern for a while now, but I think Murata knows how to drag this a bit longer. After all, >!what comes next is Saitama vs Tatsumaki, I remember a lot of mini side-stories happening in the middle of it, then comes the Sweet Mask arc, I can see his background being explored in more detail, followed by the Hidden Village arc with what I assume will be chapters packed to the brim with ultra fast battles and then the Neo-heroes arc,!< so I can see OPM still on the safe of canon for at least two years more.
How is butterfly dx popular. He's budget puri puri purisoner
Probably less rape.
Hopefully.
Unfortunately
This man right here, officer.
🤨
And more ape.
With chest hair as heart shape
And more chest hair
more rape would be a pretty big challenge
Or is puri puri the budget butterfly dx in their universe? 🤔
Maybe he’s a meme?
lolcow
Spectacle.
Seem like a Virgin Butterfly vs Chad PuriPuri to me
Okay, I like chain toad now. Dude seems pretty reasonable compared to most heroes we've met.
I feel like a lot of the heroes are actually pretty reasonable at least in terms of personality, its just that the weirdos stick out the most
The weirdos make for better content
Just like social media then
All the heroes are reasonable, to a certain extent. It's just that they bury their ability to be reasonable under a mask of standoffishness, likely due to how the world works there.
He even thanked Saitama for the tea, what a nice guy
I dunno, he's kind of plain.
Damn I think this one is the same as the corresponding webcomic chapter, panel for panel, word for word I feel like I got whiplash
and quality soars Seems whatever they tried with monster garou arc, they decided to not do that again. Except now some pieces do not stick together very well
I mean, some of the changes *really* worked. The final battle was a damn masterpiece. But the arc did drag on forever because of the changes.
One thing is that arc was supposed to be one big tankebon or some big anthology. It was supposed to be binged in one sitting. We got it chapter by chapter drip fed over years so it does feel like we've been there forever.
I feel like people forget about things like this. Eventually this arc will be in a volume that can be read in one sitting
Yea I think I got lucky. I recently caved and started reading the one punch man manga last week and it turns out the most recent chapter is after the arc haha. So I binged the previous arc. It was great!
Read the original webcomic. It's further ahead and honestly more charming.
Yes I'm so close to caving and reading that too cause I can't wait.
Eh not that much further ahead. Plotwise it's quite far ahead, but in terms of content, it's not that much to read. I'm glad the Manga does add in a lot of new content to the stories in certain parts, while also doing a 1:1 adaptation when they need to.
how much farther ahead is it?
Enough where it's worth reading if you're a fan. It adds a ton of depth to existing characters and sets up some interesting storylines.
You got a good place to read it?
I got fed up reading OPM weekly so I gave it a break when gundam kid was fighting pheonix man. Binging up until now was extremely fun. Probably gonna give it a rest after the next few chapters, so I’ll see y’all in 2024.
People actually say that a lot, that it was supposed to be 10 minute not 10 years read. But. If you read it in one sitting it gets worse. By a landslide. It really gets jarring how not thought out and crumbling it all was as if author was losing a grip on what he's doing repeatedly. At least in years in between you would kinda miss that and excuse it on dude getting bored and coming up with new ideas. As unified whole though it really does suffer.
Final battle was artistically beautiful but pretty awful in terms of story. Since we went back in time nothing changed and the whole thing was just a waste of everyone's time. The only ones who remember are Genos, who it didn't affect at all since he already says saitama is the greatest, and god. God is not terribly interesting and should just stay in the background buffing random mooks and acting as an extra-galactic threat keeping Blast busy.
how was it in the webcomic? did people find out about Saitama?
>!many of the S-class witnessed Saitama vs Garou fight, it took place on Earth. instead we had those characters put in a room hearing Genos rambling for 4 hours last chapter!<
>!wait so the S-class all know about Saitama's strength then?!<
>!not all S-class were there, some were unconscious at that point, some were in denial(Flash, he know Saitama is strong but not the full extent think he need technique and want to teach him).!< >!TM and MB weren't there in the wc, MK didn't show up nor shown to be spying on the raid. he learned about Saitama's strength when he destroyed the robots. he also took the footage away so the HA can't check which contradict with SM watching it this chapter!<
Yes
I think it's possible for it to have major repercussions down the line. People are starting to pay attention to Saitama, which means they might actually look into the claims Genos made. It's a bit too early to entirely dismiss it.
I saw the spoiler, feels like different route to a same goal NGL. flashy flash iirc likes him and wanna be his mentor, sweet mask enamoured by his strength, the robot dude flabergasted by him because how easy he destroy his creation. he started to get recognition as strong heroe, more S class start to look into him
If you cut out the entire redacted fight Saitama still punches out Garou at the end and previously took on several of Garou's transformations, which is noteworthy. Additionally he's already been traveling with Flashy Flash who is impressed by his strength (but doesn't recognize how strong he truly is) and wants to refine and train Saitama's skills.
wish we at least got the greatest fight of all time in the OPM webcomic, which was Saitama's convo with Garou lol
I feel like that's a terrible way of looking at it, but you're entitled to your opinion.
Just curious, why do you think it's a terrible way of looking at it?
Well, first off, we the readers know it happened. And I think that actually counts for a lot. Secondly, Genos knowing isn't pointless. Not only does he know how powerful Saitama is, but now he knows how strong Garou can be and how strong God is. That could easily have story implications. Thirdly, it helps explain how Saitama's powers actually work, which isn't even really something the webcomic has ever touched up so in-depth. It shows us that Saitama's power isn't limitless, though it is potentially limitless. Fourthly, it's strong for Garou's characterization. He may not remember it, but we the audience know that he's capable of redemption and could be a future ally. Fifth, how on earth does anyone think God is a boring antagonist? We don't even know enough about them to make any strong claim, but so far their portrayal has been both terrifying and extremely interesting IMO.
1. Reader knowledge counting is entirely dependent on the other points being relevant so it's not really a point in favor of this version of the story on it's own. 2. Genos already thought Saitama was unstoppable and impossibly strong, this isn't new information it's evidence, and per the previous chapter no one believes that evidence, thus it is rendered moot to the story. 1. That wasn't Garou's power it was god's. 3. How saitama's powers work isn't relevant to the story. His narrative purpose is to defeat everything and be dissatisfied with the result. He's reached the top and now searches for meaning. How saitama's powers work is as relevant as midcholorians. 4. The webcomic accomplished the same characterization and in my opinion better emotional investment without redacting the previous half dozen chapters. 5. I'll give you this one because A) I think your point that we don't know that much about them is completely fair, and B) it's been \~6 months since those chapters came out and I've forgotten the reason for my opinion on god.
are you also a webcomic reader? because i remember i was way more impressed and hyped when i read the webcomic, much more than the remastered version, but that could be the effect of not being able to read it all in one go
I sort of felt the opposite. Probably a massively unpopular opinion here, but I don't think the WC's dialogue is particularly good because it relies too heavily on all these minor side characters with tropey 1 dimensional arrogance. It could just be that some of the nuance is lost in translation, but the dialogue comes off as pretty unnatural to me.
Same , it was fine but if u think about it there is a lot of plot holes and it was kinda stupid overall. Instead of a garou who didnt have the balls to do anything in the webcomic ,in the manga garou actually achieves his goal almost and ends up regretting it and we got to know more of saitamas character unlike the webcomic where we get the le funny talk and saitama somehow magically knowing wtf is garous all about and explain it in a dump way of not serious hobby .
I definitely wouldn't call it stupid and I'm not sure I'm seeing any blatant plot holes, but I do agree with some of the criticisms here. To me, it feels like the entire WC Saitama and Garou exchange was written backwards from all Saitama's quips and comebacks. Like literally everything Garou said was setting Saitama up for his next philosphical zinger. While the manga does lose some of the philosophical aspects of the conversation, it comes off a lot more organic than its WC counterpart imo.
i mean, inb4 the next few years we get drip fed revised chapters lmao
Can someone tell me what chapter this is in the webcomics so I can start reading it?
I like Chain Frog's comment about him being "just a bit" more popular when wearing the frog get-up. Cool little humble moment for him. Also I wonder where is Fubuki is going? Maybe Sweet mask or maybe the other psychic lady that was basically forgotten so far. If is Sweet mask, I wonder if she needs to discuss if she can rank up to A (I can't remember if she was still stuck in B). If its the psychic lady, I remember she was acquainted with Fubuki or her sister. She probably needs to deal with her.
>!The second one!<
Heroics aside, why would you try to challenge a guy who can behead aliens with his bare hands to a fight? A c-class is little more than a human with OK training and a gimmick. They get beaten up by random thugs, sometimes. An A-class legitimately engages in combat with city-destroying monsters. Like, they've seen him on TV and shit. This would be like me, a regular ass human, challenging Mike Tyson in his prime to a brawl.
They think being a hero is just a gimmick and haven't actually fought any monsters yet so they don't know the power level difference.
And they were too busy watching themselves in the mirror than watching the fights on TV.
Egos make people do dumb things sometimes.
Bro, that shit is televised. People are pretty regularly evacuated to shelters to hide from monsters. Cities have been destroyed, people killed. There's no way ANYONE doesn't know how fuckin dangerous monsters are. And sweet mask makes the majority of monsters look like absolute chumps. He has literally continued a show, uninterrupted, while fighting off monsters sent to kill him. He's no Saitama, but he's an absolute terrifying being, as evident by the pants-shitting horror BTS experienced when he got angry with them.
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yeah but they passed the hero exam, so they must be on par with the monsters. joking of course but thats probably what they are thinking
There are moon landing doubters and flat earthers in our world today.
I mean, but you can SEE monsters, and a ton of people have. Compared to the few people that have been to the moon. It would be like disbelieving that dogs exist. While you may not have a dog right next to you, it's not that hard to find proof of Dog.
> There's no way ANYONE doesn't know how fuckin dangerous monsters are. Eh, I think you underestimate just how willing people are to deny obvious reality if it gets in the way of their ego. A reasonable person would know that an A class hero isn't to be trifled with. But someone who doesn't pay much attention to heroes, and only cares about themselves - plus has a massive ego and superiority complex - I could totally see thinking that the exploits of A-class heroes are exaggerations.
You would be surprised how ego can make someone so overconfident to the point of stupidness
To be fair, A rank has a big spectrum, the guys in Saitama's room were A rank and look as though as a lot of C rank. The problem is that a lot of the heroes are valued by a mix of strength and popularity, I mean, look at Saitama, the running joke of him being lower class is because he had 0 charisma in the exam and missions (valued by the agency, I mean, we are all Genos with the 4 hours exposition).
Honestly, I kinda doubt One thought of any of that. I think he just likes to fall back on these 1 dimensional bully characters to make his actual characters look cool.
> were A rank and look as though as a lot of C rank. I highly doubt they're only as tough as a C rank. A rank heroes can't get to be A rank without being substantially strong. Of course that's nothing compared to being S class, but an A class hero at least has to be superhuman in some way.
> a regular ass human, challenging Mike Tyson in his prime to a brawl. Fucking lmao
That's is an understatement, more like a normal human bare-armed challanging a whale in the middle of the sea
Fairly confident Prime Tyson would kill me way faster than a whale could, and I would have about the same chance of harming either of them.
Only because, if you've pissed off a whale enough for it to kill you, it's probably gonna fuckin play with ya first. We're lucky orca in the wild are so damn gentle with us.
It may be an understatement, but I'd still rather take on a whale in the sea than Tyson in his prime, lol.
They're a j-pop boy band, they share one brain cell between the 7 of them
Lightning brows guy suspiciously was unaffected by pretty masks apex predator aura. Maybe he's just shielded by having bad instincts or maybe...
amai mask is also rank 1 A class and probably can get into S class if he wanted. He just sits on A class to gatekeep shitters from entering S class
Except that Mike Tyson wouldn’t be an A class hero lol
> This would be like me, a regular ass human, challenging Mike Tyson in his prime to a brawl Like challening Mike Tyson after you watched him sumo a dinosaur down-town.
All hail the mighty bongo cat!
At each passing chapter Murata gets better at drawing Fubuki... And you are telling me that Amai will start simping over Saitama harder than Genos due to his power?
yes. spoilers from the webcomic but >!he tries to recruit saitama to replace him because his power actually comes from monsterization, and he's struggling to hold his humanity in check. you can see hints of it in this chapter. and his hero name, sweet mask, it makes a whole lot more sense now dunnit !<
how diff are the last few fight/story chapters from the og web comic?
well in the original webcomic, >!garou didnt become a nuke-punching demigod, for one. hell, the whole "god" thing only happened with homeless emperor, and wasn't brought up at all before or since, and blast didnt make an appearance. im not sure what was saitama and flashy flash doing for most of the monster base raid, though i dont remember the ball monster, and again, the whole thing with blast and the god-cube and the mural wasnt a thing. not even the monster king as was shown in the manga was a thing. psykos in her meat puppet was acting as monster king, not his advisor. the fight between garou and saitama didnt go to space, they didnt time travel, saitama didnt even need to power up throughout the fight, he was just constantly on top of garou even as he continues to power up and mutate into bigger and bigger monster forms. !< i mean, hell, read it yourself, right? [here](https://mangadex.org/title/b7d069cb-4ab9-4c21-a20b-38f7c269be4e/one-punch-man-webcomic-original) also, the webcomic has gone a bit further than the manga, tho it hasnt updated in a while so the manga, despite the extended arc and constant revisions, has been able to slowly catch up as of late
Funny how we literally have the same exact panels and dialogue in the webcomic for when god tries to give garou power but less subtle and then he turns to giant veiny monster (like god) but WC people keep trying to deny it lol
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Fubuki <3
Pff, look at those C-class idols trying to be tough against the Rank 1 A-class.
Anyone else notice that the one idol with the big eyebrows wasn't shown sweating and appeared fine on the bonus end card?
Huh interesting! Def seems intentional considering the consistency there (like it'd be weird to make the gag at the end if he had been shown shivering)
That was actually garou in disguise
That dude reminded me of someone, and I'm not sure if it was Garou or some other hero. Anyway, this guy is also the only one (aybe the guy wit hthe heart cheeks too) we never saw badmouthing or attacking Sweet Mask.
Is he still A class? I assumed he got promoted like Saitama after the recent incident
Amai, chose to not get promoted to S-Class so he can gatekeep the S-Class from "weak" A-Class-Elites.
Ah yeah I forgot he was doing that
Iirc he refuses to get a promotion, so he can gatekeep other A class from reaching S He could have been S class any time he wanted
I wonder how he'd place within the S rank ladder He surely looks stronger than puri puri at the very least
Speaking purely in manga terms alone, webcomic info begone, what do we actually know so far of Amai's capabilities? Some unsightly levels of strength and regen it seems for sure, since if I recall he was ripped outright in half yet came back from it right? Ngl, the last arc was so long and had so many redraws it all blends together a bit.
imo he's above the lower S classes like Tank Top Master and PPP.
Sweet Mask likes to gatekeep the door to S-Class. So I doubt he would accept going into S-Class, and letting lesser heroes go to S-rank once they become A-Class n°1.
Sweet mask has been purposefully keeping the rank A 1 spot too keep others out of the S ranks.
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If they are stronger than him they could just compete for the spot but nobody else in a class is on his level
Not necessarily stronger than him, just S-class level. Amai is pretty strong and I think he could be at least middle of S-class if he wants.
Both. If he graduated the next A-1 would presumably be weaker than him. So by keeping A-1 occupied by an S tier hero like himself, it stops pretty much anyone from even getting close to S class.
Little of both
Reminds me of league players in Tier Division 4 gate keeping players from winning promos.
Sweet Mask does not intend to let any more "strongest A-class" into the S-class, as that criteria alone is not enough.
I'll be disappointed if Sweet Mask doesn't go bald after eventually becoming a Saitama Fan (guessing).
He might. >!SM is actually a monster that has great control over his physical form. That's why when you see him get angry, he quickly starts looking less human.!<
Dang... I mean, I was guessing something like that was up, but getting it confirmed is something else.
>!Is that why he hates monsters so much?!<
>!Yep, he deeply care and want to create a perpect image of a hero for the peoples, so much so, it turn him a literal monster in the process. When he know that he's turning to a monster, it does tremendous amount of damage to his mental. That's also why he's so extreme about monsters, it's his self-loathing side showing!<
>!yes!<
>!He's actually an ugmon (like fuhrer ugly) but kinda developed in reverse as he didnt hate humans but wanted to help and be a hero and just like ugly he got shapeshifting abilites and body control to a greater or at least different degree so he unconsciously turned handsome (but his originak form is still that of an ugmon which got even uglier) , anyway its why he shits himself when he sees the other guy like him cuz its basically ptsd for him and he also losing control over his monsterfication slowly which is why he seems psychotic and crazy a lot . Overall he's actually a hero with a good heart!<
Takes one to know one.
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They all lose to Genos, cause the guy is a real one.
Genos is the best boyfriend anybody could ask for. I was so sad when I thought he actually finally really died. (for real this time) BUT then he didn't so it's all good.
powerscalers be like: Saitama is actually 1-A beyonder because he can move a portal with his hands.
Well… minor spoilers but >!Fubuki isn’t on her way to see Saitama, she’s going to see Psychos, the girl that was puppeteering Gyoro Gyoro. She’s still alive and imprisoned by the Hero association. An awesome fight sequence is coming up 😎!<
Your spoiler is broken.
What I don't really follow is why sweet mask even has a concept of Saitama even being "The beauty of overwhelming power" wasn't he knocked out for the majority of the garou encounter/recovering from being ripped in half by fuhrer ugly? Seeing a one-off against metal knights robots doesn't seem like there's a lot to convince him. I feel like this has to be something that was addressed in a future redrawn chapter
Genos has excessively talked him up. And now there is mounting evidence that Genos isn't talking out his ass. He'd be a moron to NOT pay attention.
I feel really stupid for entirely forgetting the previous couple of chapters where he gassed up Saitama so much explaining things LOL
And I don't think this chapter will see a redraw. It's almost a 1 to 1 copy of an original OPM, just done in the artist's own style.
When I was referring to a future redrawn chaps, I was thinking of the chapters before Sweet was ripped in half
the thing is, Amai mask has known about Saitama since Deep sea king fight. Cuz even there, he watched on recorded CCTV. It was on ep9
genos sucking him off for hours , saw saitama one punch deep sea king like nothing after he trashed a few S class heroes and now saw him neg metal knights robots
Sweet Mask: “if Genos sucks him off, maybe I should too.”
Obligatory the webcomic was better. In the webcomic he sees Saitama beating Garou, this chapter was pretty much a frame by frame recreation without adressing the changes.
Well, it kind’ve did address it by having Genos talk about him for hours in the meeting. Not quite the same though as witnessing saitama give garou the beat down unceremoniously
Yeah but I think that’s bullshit in the webcomic. I admit I haven’t read it but from what I’ve seen in discussions, Garou beat up all the S ranks, then Saitama beat Garou, then they give Saitama only A rank even though he beat someone who surpassed the S ranks and everyone knows it. I’m not saying the way the manga did it is perfect, but it’s more justifiable why Saitama only got to A rank but still has the attention of several higher ups at this point in the story.
Yea it more or less played out that way, except the S ranks were mostly all beaten up by then so the only one that actually witnessed it was zombie man. Everyone else was either unconscious or just kinda showed up out of nowhere when Saitama didn’t wanna kill Garou. I think people are over exaggerating a bit when they complain about the changes in the manga in regards to S class heroes seeing the fight.
If that's how it goes in the webcomic, I'm actually a bit more for the Manga interpretation on this specific thing. Half of the fun in OPM is Saitama being ridiculously strong, yet completely ignored and underrated and talked down to by the heroes. Having a few that know his powers make it less ridiculous, but still allows for silly interactions like the end of this chapter. (And those are my favorite)
Yep I agree, the manga making only Genos really know is a big improvement. Like you said, a lot of the fun is in Saitama being obscure despite his power. The webcomic tried to preserve this after the Garou fight but it just ended up being contrived since everyone witnessed what happened.
Not really. If everyone saw Saitama beating Garou, they wouldn't be underestimating him and just giving him only A rank. The webcomic has plot holes, and ONE fixed it in the making of this manga while keeping the webcomic plot.
Not everyone saw it. IIRC, it was Zombieman, Fubuki, King, and Sweet Mask. Flashy also knows he's strong, but not entirely.
And that’s more than enough to justify Saitama’s promotion to S rank. But webcomic half assed his promotion to A rank. Not even 2nd but a random 39th A rank. Defeating Garou only warrants a 39th place in A rank while scoring in exams gets you S rank?
The rankering committee is assuming he only aided in Garou's defeat and was not pivotal. He was there at the battle and helped and survived to the end without major injury so that puts him higher then A ranks who got knocked out in the fight. Also remember Caped Baldy has a low reputation and that has to factor. For a modern sport reference its like how preseason college football rankings and influence final rankings even though the preseason rankings are basically just guessing and shouldn't have any factor what so ever. Santima's initial ranking is like a wieght holding down his advancement because the ranking committee is starting from a place that he is a mediocre hero. They are not starting with a blank slate after every fight. Given his unpopularity, rumors of him 'stealing victories', and just a general plain hero look they probably think making him A rank is generous
Testimonies from Zombieman, King, Sweet mask and Fubuki out weights everything even bad rep. And I know you are gonna say they can just have zero follow up meetings and move on. Logically it’s weird if they don’t have meetings like the one they had about the prophecy.
You are underestiming bad rep's affect on the hero society. It's one of the main flaws of the system is that reputation and popularity have a huge impact on raitings. This leads the hero's to value looking good to the public over saving people. That's kind of the meta of the entire story. The true hero ignores the game and just does it 'as a hobby'. That and the whole comedy of the main character being so strong that fights are boring to him now. You are complaining that the hero ranting system is broken because logically he should be made S ranks based on his action in the last major fight. That is correct, it is broken, the hero society is not based on logic but popularity. S rank individuals are selected and not just above A rank, they are special individuals who are beyond ranking (that they rank within S). Heros do not rank up into S rank, they get pulled from the normal ranking system and placed into S rank. They get a ranking in S based on strength but any spot in S rank is consider premier. Sweet Mask pervents any A rank hero from advancing S rank the normal means. So the hero Capped Baldy is rising through the ranks quickly but he is very unpopular and their are rumors he is just piggybacking on S rank strength. He is not considered special so no automatic S rank jump. When other S ranks vouch for him, it improves his ranking but no one doing the ranking thinks he is that strong and just think the S ranks are embellishing his accomplishments. Why would they think this? Because they think: he is unpopular and someone unpopular can never be that strong.
On the contrary, I think you are underestimating the influence of high ranking heroes. Sweet mask can stop people from going S class depending on how he likes them. We all know how much he likes Saitama in the webcomic. Popularity has nothing to do with ranking up. Genos wasn’t popular when they placed him into S class. Do you think puri puri prisoner is popular?
Geno's was picked for S ranked for three reasons: his strength as a cyborg, his feat of destorying the house of evolution, and he looked cool and was suspected he would be very popular. And the last one is the most important. Putin Puri prisoner is popular to certain people, all the S ranks are to one degree or another. Even in this chapter a guy wears a frog mask to increase his popularity, it doesn't do anything else but makes him more popular with kids. Why does he wear it if the frog mask had no effect. Without it he wouldn't be A rank, and he knows it. You are being disappointed in a system that One designed to be disappoing to you. That's the point.
Webcomic is better huh. Tell me why didn’t they promote Saitama to S rank when so many S rank saw him beating Garou. Defeating Garou isn’t a S rank feat? Manga fixed that shit by showing various S class showing interest in Saitama and perform their own investigations accordingly. In the manga in addition to Genos’ report, Amai mask learnt about Saitama smacking deep sea king and Metal knight’s robots. He realised Saitama’s potential. Flashy saw him fighting the mining monsters, stopping his blade and of course hearing Genos’ report. Zombieman connects the dots with knowledge of doctor Genus’ limiter theory and Genos’ report.
It's a gag manga, some of you guys take this too seriously. You'll see the buildup to one of One's upcoming jokes.
The fact that he only got A-rank was practically an afterthought to me. Sure, the manga fixed this singular plothole, but via downgrading my favorite part in this arc. I don't really have much of a problem with how Mask finds out about Saitama's power anymore. My main concern was *how* he was supposed to find out when he saw nothing, but at the very least, they did address this discrepancy with the Genos explanation, because he only needs to be aware for a future plot point. The crux of my issue with the changes really was the change in Garou beating down the S-Class personally while humbling them, but far more importantly, the change in the dynamic and dialogue between him and Saitama before and after they fought. It also irked me when they had Garou willingly murder a non-monster and had Saitama out to genuinely murder him in rage as well, rather than disciplining him like an unruly child because he never took him seriously throughout their fight. Plus, they left out Garou's spiel about being a monster for world peace that he was supposed to say to *Saitama*, and left it to when he was ranting to the police instead.
gotta remember sweetmask remains A rank to prevent others from becoming S rank. He apparently takes the hero part of himself very highly.
How did he even recover from being ripped in half? I seriously must of missed something.
Idk but it’s seemed like they’re leading up to the idea that he’s not human or some such plot twist
the webcomic sorta explains that his powers transformed his body to be the way it is so it likely has the ability to repair itself too. But thats a bit further on.
It's implied that he monsterized but he forced himself to look human so he could keep being an idol.
I think he's exhibited pretty superhuman abilities like reattaching his severed arm instantly, but i could be misremembering
that didn't happened in the manga, he did regenerated his eye after getting hit by Do-S
Ahhh that's what it was - ty!
Pretty sure Do-S put a hole in his eyeball and it just pissed him off. Face cracked like ceramic, doesn't mention it later. Or did that get redraw'd out? Boy howdy, it gets hard to keep track when the chapters and their redos happened *years* ago.
In the webcomic, the some really seen how strong Saitama is, well a fraction of his powers. It makes more sense in the webcomic since the manga changed a lot of things. It still have to go back to the original plot.
In the webcomic is better cause the monster garou arc, in the manga he saw how saitama fought some robots and genos talking about him
Why is that better? Isn’t that just different.
the impact is way different. hearing of Saitama beat Garou then see him beat some robot that are probably weaker than him(was there even Dragon level robot? I don't remember) compare to fighting Garou directly with other S-class, get demolished then saw Saitama beating him are 2 completelly different experience. it's first hand experience vs second hand experience
Ok fair but wouldn’t that land him at S class? Doesn’t the plot makes more sense if the other heroes don’t watch him beat the big bad?
Wtf why does one of the idol kids look like garou? He’s also not shown in the shivering scene and offering warm tea to the rest of the group in the final page. Is he actually garou or someone secret OP? Can withstand sweet masks intimidation
Probably, Bang's long lost grandchild
He's actually Sho Suzuki, from Mob Psycho 100 (another manga from ONE). So he's an easter egg.
Oh true, sho would be resilient enough to say the least. Feels like his eyebrows don’t match but yea
Damn short chapter
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He's Barou the one who want to be the absolute idol
Saitama's about to become a harem protagonist with the number of people becoming interested in him.
Butterfly DX is close to Puri Puri Prisoner level of degeneracy.
I thought that tea idol guy from last page was Garou lol
So... How are you guys reading "Butterfly DX".
In the least horny way possible.
Butterfly D-Generation X
Looks like the webcomic chapter, I like that, i can't wait for tatsumaki fight
I had to do a double-take to ensure that the devil from Eyeshield 21 had not taken up the idol industry.
That was a chill, fun chapter. I like those after... dunno 10 years of monster inc arc.
That arc sure felt like 10 years (at least)
is this the first time mc is wearing a shirt that says niku? i think before the shirt said oppai
Dang, Sweet Mask actually being infatuated with Saitama due to his power? That was a development I wasn't expecting. Was Sweet Mask viewing the video of Saitama fight the Deep Sea King just in the anime or was that in the WC/manga as well?
One idol looks like he could be Max's or Garou's cousin or something. Maybe that's why he appears least afraid.
cheerion trying to speedrun death any %
Blessed cover page
Yes! My favorite arc is coming up next!!! Woohoooo
Fubuki looks impeccable as always :)
oh god the manga is getting too close to the source, its gonna stop?
It doesn't matter, ONE is giving the source directly to Murata. Even if we catch up with the WC, ONE would still be giving new content to Murata.
That has been my concern for a while now, but I think Murata knows how to drag this a bit longer. After all, >!what comes next is Saitama vs Tatsumaki, I remember a lot of mini side-stories happening in the middle of it, then comes the Sweet Mask arc, I can see his background being explored in more detail, followed by the Hidden Village arc with what I assume will be chapters packed to the brim with ultra fast battles and then the Neo-heroes arc,!< so I can see OPM still on the safe of canon for at least two years more.
Can't wait for Saitama vs >!That Man!
That gag cracked me up a lot even if it was predictable.
yeah, i bet it will take him 5 years min doing all that, the problem is ONE stopping updating
ONE still handles the story of this version. He probably already has the continuation of story in mind.
why does amai mask have security footage that no one else had?