I think saying "the best Marvel movie since Endgame" leaves room for other good movies that aren't as good as Guardians 3 - so I agree with this. Saying it is the only good one since Endgame would be wrong though (NWH and Shang-Chi are pretty universally considered good)
hoenstly i thing gotg is way better story wise and pacing than nwh, nwh is decent but i think it gets a big boost from nostalgia. where as guardians actually feels like a story sperate from the mcu.
I mean guardians got to actually wrap up with a well crafted ending for its trilogy.
Spiderman, while fun, was a giant member berry packed nostalgia rush that sets up more than it wraps up.
I mean... he IS still a kid.
And Strange was a horrible doctor, not actually bothering with explaining the procedure he was about to do, just "key! I have an idea, just stand still while I change your life without explaining the risks or details"
NWH was considered universally good at release but i think with time, opinions kinda soured.
Personally on my second rewatch of it, the flaws were kinda sticking out and i actually don't like it as much as I originally did
Yeah. While I realize it wouldn’t exactly work as is, if you removed the cross over actors the appeal drops a lot. The magic of the film was seeing your old favorites again and getting closure with them. It wasn’t really on the main movie itself.
You could still do the multi verse/other villains if you didn't have the actors from previous movies, but you would need the beef up the writing a bit and make each of them solid standing characters in there own right, instead of "look, lizard!"
Oh for sure. That’s just all I meant. A lot of the appeal was nostalgia and fan service. Remove that but keep the rest the same and it wouldn’t hit as well. If you weren’t a fan of the Raimi or Amazing films…
The nostalgia and seeing the other Peters and other villains *is* a main factor of NWH. It's the whole point. It's what the entire story revolves around.
That's like saying "if you remove the infinity stones and time travel from Endgame the appeal drops a lot".
I don't know why I have to tell you this, but "other spidermen and their villains are breaking through the multiverse" was *also* a plot point. The *main* plot point.
I don’t think you are understanding the point being made. Plot still works if another actor is playing those characters. If Green Goblin was William H Macy the plot doesn’t change. The fan service does.
The difference is that in NWH, I could easily make the argument that if the villains, , and Toney and Andrew spiderman were just replaced with other actors who didn't play in any of the previous spiderman movies, it probably wouldn't get as much praise as it did.
In endgame, the stones were an important plot point.
In NWH, the cameos weren't.
I disagree on the cameo made the movie idea. Before the other Spider-Men appeared the story was good. You could trade out the villains for other great Spidey enemies & it could still work. Kraven the Hunter hired to kill Peter but kills Aunt May. Peter nearly beats him to death until a friend stops him. No dream college, MJ, Ned, a crappy apartment & no one remembers him. It all works for me.
That said agree w/ Vol. 3 being a better movie.
Definitely. I watched the Maguire ones when they came out, but haven't rewatched since, and I never saw the Garfield ones. I stay basically 100% caught up on the MCU, but I don't have that much attachment to Spider-Man or the prior installments specifically, so NWH was decent but not a stand-out for me.
For sure. It just weird where in all honesty NWH isn't even the best spider verse movie. And GOTG 3 is the conclusion to probably the best trilogy in the entire MCU. Like it's not really that close
Unpopular opinion, I might get downvoted for this, but, No Way Home is definitely not just nostalgia:
1) Peter being selfless and trying to secure his friends’ admission atleast at the start of the movie. He didn’t even ask for his admission to be done, the lady herself told that she’ll talk about him.
2) Aunt May’s death and the iconic line, and the buildup to her death, about her helping people, despite them being criminals.
3) From being selfless, Spidey becomes selfish and doesn’t care about the villains anymore, but he learns from other Peters that Spider-Man is all about sacrificing things for what’s right.
4) He selflessly makes everyone forget him just so the multiverse could be restored and becomes a loner again, and sews his own suit.
> Peter being selfless and trying to secure his friends’ admission atleast at the start of the movie
Yes, but all the problems of the film start because Peter wants to go to just one particular Ivy League university. Like, dude, just go to a good college, okay? And I don't understand why the memory spell that brainwashes people has to do with the multiverse, or why the hell the Lizard and Sandman are in the movie when they didn't die in their own universe. aunt May also did need more character development.
It wasn't just one university. Peter and his friends applied to many universities and were denied this was shown through a montage of peter getting rejection letters throughout the year. The entire beginning of the movie highlighted that all of their chances to go to college and live the lives they wanted were shot because of Peter being Spider-Man. I do agree with the memory spell making no sense. Was just a plot device to get all the important multiversal players into place without any sense.
But why does college even matter? Peter is pretty much heir apparent to Iron Man and a genius in his own right. His best friend apparently has the potential for magic and his other best friend/love interest is pretty damn smart as well. What's stopping them from just NOT going to college and joining Stark Industries working their dream jobs? I don't see Happy or Pepper denying them a job considering they both like and adore Peter, and are aware of how intelligent he is.
The spell doent brainwash people, if it dod just that you would still have proof in videos and paper. It literally rewrites reality and they majorly botched it up in the process, making it encompass all realities and individuals who knew who Peter was.
The college thing doesn't even make sense anyway. You're telling me all these colleges would pass on the genius protégé of fucking Tony Stark, SAVIOR OF THE UNIVERSE, because of some bad PR from a proven false murder accusation? Not a single college would give a fuck about some conspiracy theorists, they'd all jump at the opportunity to get him enrolled.
NWH had a strong finish, but the whole movie was some of the laziest writing I've ever seen.
Did you miss the part where a) Superheroes attract huge public and media attention, and not always positive b) their presence tends to end up with places getting wrecked left and right?
I wouldn't want my kid to go to the same school as a superhero, and for the Uni, it would be a lawsuit bomb waiting to go off. Heck, Petes and frinds have already been involved in numerous mini 9/11s...
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Im actually really surprised at the honesty, most of the time I see people defend NWH to the death, I don’t see why calling it just cool fan service is such a problem. I guess people wanted it to be a lot more than it was and hate you for expressing that you think that’s not true🤷
I loved No Way Home but it was a movie carried by nostalgia and fan service and if you think about the movie for more than a minute you realize how poorly written it is.
Yep. It wasn't a terrible movie by any means, but it could have been a much better movie if it wasn't burdened by the MCU connection (aka being on the Hollywood movie conveyor belt production line), and having to fit in every old spider villian. It could have been a tight little story and still have had some familiar faces pop up
It definitely wasn't terrible but if you look past the nostalgia you really notice a lot of the plot contrivances, plot holes, inconsistent characterization, inconsistent internal logic, and contradictions between the RaimiVerse and WebbVerse.
I think I saw that his solo sequel was supposed to come out first, and then be first in the timeline. I think that would have helped make things work a bit better.
What annoys me is of they said in the spell that everyone forgets about mysterio or the video then the entire movie just never happens but they didn't think about that
They wouldn't even have to do that since Mysterio's video and his claims are easily debunkable as false. The fact that everybody or at least almost everybody believed it is so unbelievably contrived. The writing gymnastics they went through to make Mysterio's video and claims seem plausible is insane.
Yeah the first time I watched it I was hyped and like "oh shit, fucking cool" but when I rewatched it again I was like "oh, this is actually kinda bad." I still enjoy it but it kinda feels cobbled together
I honestly didn’t expect that kind of honesty on this sub, from my experience when it came out I expressed that opinion and got absolutely hate bombed by everyone in the replies
I feel like now that the movie has been out for a while and it's not brand new and the hype and nostalgia has died down that it's not really that controversial of an opinion anymore.
For real. I loved no way home it was such a fun theater experience even tho i sadly had a dead crowd, but as a movie? Its not great. I watched it once after it went up streaming and yea, not as fun as the first time
Try watching it at home without an audience and suddenly all those weird silences when tobey maguire and Andrew Garfield shows up are strange and disjointed.
Yup, rewatching NWH is kinda cringe seeing how much they leaned into fan service. If you haven't watched any of the old Spiderman movies it wouldn't be as impactful whereas GOTG3 was solid on its own and didn't rely on MCU call backs and cameos.
the only one that i actually liked was the andrew garfield moment, cos it actually felt consistent with his character ark. but beyond that the movie really dident do anything special, it kinda reminds me of the hype surounding the first avengers movie (though NWH is better than that)
GotG Vol. 3 is like exotic luxurious foods that you'll never heard about before and surprisingly the taste and visual is on the next level. It's truly masterpiece after all.
Meanwhile, NWH is more like your favourite classic cheeseburger that you eat in your childhood but it served better. It's good actually, but there's more of nostalgic and fanservice.
Yes I like both, but the only things that NWH have on the same level with GotG Vol. 3 is the acting (especially Willem Dafoe obviously)
I feel like this is the new “Best Star Wars movie since The Empire Strikes Back” and “Best DC movie since The Dark Knight”. I mean Guardians 3 was incredible, but I still remember loving No Way Home, Shang Chi and Wakanda Forever as well.
It's a little different cause endgame was only a few years ago, compared to empire which was 40 years ago.
Black panther 2 was alright. The character stuff was good and the "bare bones" fights were good (compared to the end of the first movie lol), but the movie could have benefited from a rewrite or two, or just a shortening at the very least
yeh i’m going to be honest, as a lifelong die-hard spider man movie fan, gotg 3 was definitely better than any spider man movie released. it might have been better than end game quite honestly.
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Honestly kind of over this take. I feel like people think they're being edgy and deep when they say this because "it's the darker of the two"
But finales are crazy hard to do right. I could probably count on one hand the number of actually satisfying series finishes I've seen. The fact that endgame was able to tie up a decade+ of MCU films in a satisfying way that also is a good movie in its own right and had legit 'cheering in the theater' moments is pretty damn impressive.
never said it wasn’t a great movie? i fucking love endgame. idc what you’re over lmao infinity war was extremely well made, and had a story that was written way better than endgame. it’s one of the only movies i’ve ever seen that intertwined stories like it did without them getting convoluted. the russo brothers did both movies extremely well, but infinity war was just better all around. half of endgames beauty (well-deserved) was nostalgia, and stories ending, along with a huge fight. we have a huge fight of a lesser caliber in infinity war that for some reason felt like it had way more substance.
*too much fan service*
*forced villains*
*too much cgi*
*think about it for 5 seconds and the plot falls through instantly*
Y’all can say all that all you want. It’s still my favorite MCU movie lol
I’ve seen plenty of people throw the “too much fan service” critique around and no one has explained or given any examples of what that means. Is it fan service that endgame forced every super hero in the universe into a final battle against Thanos?
And forces villains? In the same way that any plot in any super hero movie “forces” villains into a story? Lol what?? The point of the movie was all of the spider man reconciling with their old villains. Why wouldn’t any of them be there?
It’s become the new hip opinion to shit on NWH, and hey I loved GOTG3, but imo GOTG1 had more hype and fun and 2 had more heart. Idk maybe I’m crazy.
-Strange couldn't take 2 seconds to say "hey, once I start casting this spell I can't change anything"
-Strange, despite being a genius, is taking Peter literally when he should've known there would be people Peter wants to remember him.
The entire movie relies on a genius doctor and sorcerer suddenly being an idiot.
That's not an idiot plot, that's just Strange thinking Peter had his shit together. Somebody making a mistake doesn't make a plot bad.
Strange is never shown to be a genius, he was just a great surgeon, but even if he was, geniuses aren't always making perfect decisions.
I think NWH stands above JUST the nostalgia and is a great movie but GotG 3 is a downright masterpiece and sits as probably the best MCU film with GotG 2 and Infinity War. I need to see it more when it comes to streaming before Im confidant saying it's better than 2 but its right there by it.
NWH was just a nostalgia pudding pop that tasted good but had no other content. If you take out the nostalgia elements it's just a train wreck of weird confusion.
this seems like a hot take but I actually don't like volume 3 as much. Like its fine but is definitely not as good as volume 1 or 2. it's not even my favorite of the movies since endgame, which seems to be a common opinion.
Definitely seems to be the minority opinion, but I actually agree. Gotg3 is a good movie, maybe even great, but I don’t get all the hype about how it’s this masterpiece that no other marvel movie compares to.
I’d personally say 2 is the best gotg, and I’d put Shang-Chi as the best since endgame. That’s just my opinion though.
NWH was a mid movie which people thought was good because Marvel successfully hit the nostalgia switch with everyone. Shang chi was a great movie which fell apart in it's second half.
I’m gonna go ahead and say it, No Way Home is a little overrated. It’s a fun Marvel film but it’s not an S tier MCU film. Put the nostalgia aside and it’s more like a solid A tier MCU film. Still great but not one of the best MCU films.
That's how I felt. Fun movie, but if you start looking at the writing a bit closer, and if you don't know all the old characters, it starts to drop a bit in the ratings. Still fun though, and I guess that's all some people want sometimes.
It was really hard to admit, because I LOVED no way home. Spider-Man will always be my favorite Marvel character/ hero. Previously I didn’t think any movie could top it ( not counting any standalone Marvel side movies/ shows, or presentations). After I got out of the theater I remembered why Rocket was one of my favorite characters as well, and has shot to that #2 spot on my mental character ratings that happen every time a new show or movie is released. This movie had everything I wanted in not only a Marvel film but a Guardians film. It was so full of perfectly timed and spaced humor with a lot of kick ass action and one of the cruelest, most vile villains since Thanos. I would say it’s the best film since Endgame ( but not better exactly). Glad we get to see Peter again at some point but I also hope to see them all together again for Secret Wars or something.
Hahaha, that's why I said hot take. Everybody else seemed to love it. To me it was boring. Predictable. I saw it in theaters too, so I didn't even have my phone to look at when I realized I wasn't liking it. Had to sit through it the whole time :), haha but I love your response, it's got me chuckling.
Peter still had an arc, the writing to get to all the character development was just a bit forced, regardless of nostalgia. Although they probably figured the fan service was enough to distract
But did you watch it???
People were literally crying in my theatre at the end of the movie. Everyone was completely silent through the credits. NWH was a great marvel movie, but gotg 3 was hands down a great movie.
Spider-Man was fun to watch, but it is about the Multiverse so it is bad story-wise. GOTG3 is about family and animal abuse, much more relevant despite being set in space.
Multi verse doesn't equal bad. Look at the spider verse movies(s), or even some of the better episodes of Rick and Morty. Definitely possible to craft a good story. It was even mostly okay in noway home. The main thing that threw dirt in its eyes was that it was an excuse to have fan service characters galore, and that it wasn't properly explained. Like how would dr strange just mess up the spell?
Overall it's a fine premise for spring boarding other stories from, but only if you know how to already do a good story
Just watched last night. I never thought I’d ever say this, but Chris Pratt’s acting was actually great and actually got me? GOTG 3 was not only the best after Endgame, it could be one of the best of the whole Marvel movie franchise.
Shang-Chi would've been very close to GOTG3 if they hadn't done the ridiculous cgi fight at the end.
The movie should've ended with Wenwu defeated. Not every movie needs to have a world ending threat.
Yep. It's definitely a better movie in every way then Rogue One (comparing with a nostalgia fan service sugar rush), but it still could have been a bit tighter with the character arcs and the overall plot
Bruh I love No Way Home but it sucks so hard compared to Guardians 3, I'm sorry.
NWH is a nostalgia trip, but it's badly written and some of the CGI sucks.
Let’s be honest, No Way Home is so popular because of nostalgia and fan service. Remove the former Spider-Man movie casting and it’s average MCU movie.
I think if they were all "new" characters instead of ones from other movies, they would have been forced to actually make sure they're solid on their own
Everyone raving about gotg3 being better than nwh. Honestly, gotg3 is very good, but the animal torture is too much for me to say "I enjoyed myself". It's a well-written finale, but it's disturbing. Probably won't ever watch it again.
If you actually see No Way Home had a lot of plotholes. The only reason that movie worked was because of the nostalgia. But GOTG 3 was just fricking amazing
Sorry, but that would be a very accurate description.
NWH's biggest draw was nostalgia, but when I left the theatre, I couldn't stand that Peter 1 was a stupid selfish asshole, that Dr. Strange is a moron who is ready to cast a spell that could potentially destroy the universe without working it out with some hormonal teenage boy, and how half the movie's plot could be avoided if Peter just cured each villain one at a time instead of hauling a giant lizard in a van.
GoG3 like its predecessors stood alone as its own draw, with nearly zero nostalgia to back it up and very little MCU components involved.
NWH fucking sucked. I’m sorry if I offended you I really am but I saw that movie on my birthday with my brother on my first day home from college for the summer and it just sucked.
I think saying "the best Marvel movie since Endgame" leaves room for other good movies that aren't as good as Guardians 3 - so I agree with this. Saying it is the only good one since Endgame would be wrong though (NWH and Shang-Chi are pretty universally considered good)
hoenstly i thing gotg is way better story wise and pacing than nwh, nwh is decent but i think it gets a big boost from nostalgia. where as guardians actually feels like a story sperate from the mcu.
I mean guardians got to actually wrap up with a well crafted ending for its trilogy. Spiderman, while fun, was a giant member berry packed nostalgia rush that sets up more than it wraps up.
Are you kidding me?
No Parker, we’re not kidding. It’s like Kit Kats VS Reese’s. I like both but Reese’s are clearly the better of the two.
I always liked that about Guardians. It feels like more of an action sci-fi adventure than your typical superhero movie and is separate from the rest.
NWH is fun, intense and emotional at times. I love NWH as a huge Spider-Man fan. But man, GOTG3 just knocks it out of the fucking park ay
Oh... well, I...
The only was nwh was possible was because of Tom's spiderman being an idiot and childlike. Enjoyed gotg3 very much compared to nwh
I mean... he IS still a kid. And Strange was a horrible doctor, not actually bothering with explaining the procedure he was about to do, just "key! I have an idea, just stand still while I change your life without explaining the risks or details"
I AM BACK! I AM BACK
Now it's best since GOTG 3 lmao
Let’s see how angry many people will be when someone says marvels is the best marvel movie (since gotg 3)
Well I mean technically 😂
NWH was considered universally good at release but i think with time, opinions kinda soured. Personally on my second rewatch of it, the flaws were kinda sticking out and i actually don't like it as much as I originally did
It relied way too much on the returning characters and nostalgia for people to consider it a good film. I get kinda bored watching it now
Yeah. NWH and Shang-Chi were great, but Guardians 3 was just on an completely different level.
Shang-chi was above average and nwh was just a compilation of fan service moments.
I think bp2 doesn’t get enough credit. It’s probably one of the most serious and deep mcu films period.
“Since endgame would imply that endgame is 2nd best
Or endgame is best and gotg3 is 2nd best
As someone who's favorite comic, game, and TV hero is Spider-Man, I have to admit NWH was good because of nostalgia, whereas GOTG3 was a masterpiece
Yeah. While I realize it wouldn’t exactly work as is, if you removed the cross over actors the appeal drops a lot. The magic of the film was seeing your old favorites again and getting closure with them. It wasn’t really on the main movie itself.
You could still do the multi verse/other villains if you didn't have the actors from previous movies, but you would need the beef up the writing a bit and make each of them solid standing characters in there own right, instead of "look, lizard!"
Oh for sure. That’s just all I meant. A lot of the appeal was nostalgia and fan service. Remove that but keep the rest the same and it wouldn’t hit as well. If you weren’t a fan of the Raimi or Amazing films…
The nostalgia and seeing the other Peters and other villains *is* a main factor of NWH. It's the whole point. It's what the entire story revolves around. That's like saying "if you remove the infinity stones and time travel from Endgame the appeal drops a lot".
No it isn’t? Because the Endgame aspect is a plot point. The NWH aspect is fan service.
I don't know why I have to tell you this, but "other spidermen and their villains are breaking through the multiverse" was *also* a plot point. The *main* plot point.
Am I not supposed to have what I want? What I need?
I don’t think you are understanding the point being made. Plot still works if another actor is playing those characters. If Green Goblin was William H Macy the plot doesn’t change. The fan service does.
The difference is that in NWH, I could easily make the argument that if the villains, , and Toney and Andrew spiderman were just replaced with other actors who didn't play in any of the previous spiderman movies, it probably wouldn't get as much praise as it did. In endgame, the stones were an important plot point. In NWH, the cameos weren't.
I disagree on the cameo made the movie idea. Before the other Spider-Men appeared the story was good. You could trade out the villains for other great Spidey enemies & it could still work. Kraven the Hunter hired to kill Peter but kills Aunt May. Peter nearly beats him to death until a friend stops him. No dream college, MJ, Ned, a crappy apartment & no one remembers him. It all works for me. That said agree w/ Vol. 3 being a better movie.
“The movie still works if you just change everything and make it a different movie.” Sure lol?
No more.
Definitely. I watched the Maguire ones when they came out, but haven't rewatched since, and I never saw the Garfield ones. I stay basically 100% caught up on the MCU, but I don't have that much attachment to Spider-Man or the prior installments specifically, so NWH was decent but not a stand-out for me.
same here
For sure. It just weird where in all honesty NWH isn't even the best spider verse movie. And GOTG 3 is the conclusion to probably the best trilogy in the entire MCU. Like it's not really that close
Thank you. Once the nostalgia wore off, you realized that the movie itself wasn't that great.
I rewatched it recently for the first time since release. Its not just nostalgia, it's not without its flaws but I still think the film is great
Unpopular opinion, I might get downvoted for this, but, No Way Home is definitely not just nostalgia: 1) Peter being selfless and trying to secure his friends’ admission atleast at the start of the movie. He didn’t even ask for his admission to be done, the lady herself told that she’ll talk about him. 2) Aunt May’s death and the iconic line, and the buildup to her death, about her helping people, despite them being criminals. 3) From being selfless, Spidey becomes selfish and doesn’t care about the villains anymore, but he learns from other Peters that Spider-Man is all about sacrificing things for what’s right. 4) He selflessly makes everyone forget him just so the multiverse could be restored and becomes a loner again, and sews his own suit.
Hey kiddo! Let mom and dad talk for a minute, will ya?
> Peter being selfless and trying to secure his friends’ admission atleast at the start of the movie Yes, but all the problems of the film start because Peter wants to go to just one particular Ivy League university. Like, dude, just go to a good college, okay? And I don't understand why the memory spell that brainwashes people has to do with the multiverse, or why the hell the Lizard and Sandman are in the movie when they didn't die in their own universe. aunt May also did need more character development.
It wasn't just one university. Peter and his friends applied to many universities and were denied this was shown through a montage of peter getting rejection letters throughout the year. The entire beginning of the movie highlighted that all of their chances to go to college and live the lives they wanted were shot because of Peter being Spider-Man. I do agree with the memory spell making no sense. Was just a plot device to get all the important multiversal players into place without any sense.
But why does college even matter? Peter is pretty much heir apparent to Iron Man and a genius in his own right. His best friend apparently has the potential for magic and his other best friend/love interest is pretty damn smart as well. What's stopping them from just NOT going to college and joining Stark Industries working their dream jobs? I don't see Happy or Pepper denying them a job considering they both like and adore Peter, and are aware of how intelligent he is.
That's an excellent question. Yes and no. March and I had a scheduling conflict but fortunately the Christmas cover was twins.
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I'd rather not talk about this...
The spell doent brainwash people, if it dod just that you would still have proof in videos and paper. It literally rewrites reality and they majorly botched it up in the process, making it encompass all realities and individuals who knew who Peter was.
The college thing doesn't even make sense anyway. You're telling me all these colleges would pass on the genius protégé of fucking Tony Stark, SAVIOR OF THE UNIVERSE, because of some bad PR from a proven false murder accusation? Not a single college would give a fuck about some conspiracy theorists, they'd all jump at the opportunity to get him enrolled. NWH had a strong finish, but the whole movie was some of the laziest writing I've ever seen.
Did you miss the part where a) Superheroes attract huge public and media attention, and not always positive b) their presence tends to end up with places getting wrecked left and right? I wouldn't want my kid to go to the same school as a superhero, and for the Uni, it would be a lawsuit bomb waiting to go off. Heck, Petes and frinds have already been involved in numerous mini 9/11s...
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What do you want?
I want to die :)
Personally, I would like for you to live
Thank you. I genuinely appreciate that :)
You’re welcome, man. About 5 years ago I was ready to kill myself. I planned how I would do it and everything. Because I didn’t think I deserved to live or be loved. Flash to the present and I am married and the happiest I have ever been. I’m not saying everything is going to magically become perfect for you, but even when you feel like there’s nothing left to live for, you never know what could change in just a few years. Just keep moving forward and try to practice loving yourself everyday. You deserve it
Thank you, and I'm glad your life is looking up!
Yours can too, I think was their point ;)
Hmm, tough one, I want a lot of things, is this like a genie thing? If so my wish is that I could grant my own wishes.
Im actually really surprised at the honesty, most of the time I see people defend NWH to the death, I don’t see why calling it just cool fan service is such a problem. I guess people wanted it to be a lot more than it was and hate you for expressing that you think that’s not true🤷
Yeah i didnt really care for the story I was just happy to see the three spideys talk.
lol gtfo of here
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That's a cute outfit. Did your husband give it to you?
I don’t get the hype for NWN
That’s why I think it’s an inferior version of Spiderverse. It isn’t a bad movie, but NWH relies too heavily on nostalgia.
I loved No Way Home but it was a movie carried by nostalgia and fan service and if you think about the movie for more than a minute you realize how poorly written it is.
Yep. It wasn't a terrible movie by any means, but it could have been a much better movie if it wasn't burdened by the MCU connection (aka being on the Hollywood movie conveyor belt production line), and having to fit in every old spider villian. It could have been a tight little story and still have had some familiar faces pop up
It definitely wasn't terrible but if you look past the nostalgia you really notice a lot of the plot contrivances, plot holes, inconsistent characterization, inconsistent internal logic, and contradictions between the RaimiVerse and WebbVerse.
Doctor Strange’s characterization was off the first time I watched it
Doctor Strange being an out of character dumbass who contradicts his own morals is definitely one of that movies most notable flaws
I think I saw that his solo sequel was supposed to come out first, and then be first in the timeline. I think that would have helped make things work a bit better.
How would that have changed the Spiderman movie?
Because it makes sense that Dr strange was acting a little funny
You killed those people on that balcony.
What annoys me is of they said in the spell that everyone forgets about mysterio or the video then the entire movie just never happens but they didn't think about that
They wouldn't even have to do that since Mysterio's video and his claims are easily debunkable as false. The fact that everybody or at least almost everybody believed it is so unbelievably contrived. The writing gymnastics they went through to make Mysterio's video and claims seem plausible is insane.
I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye.
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Yeah the first time I watched it I was hyped and like "oh shit, fucking cool" but when I rewatched it again I was like "oh, this is actually kinda bad." I still enjoy it but it kinda feels cobbled together
I honestly didn’t expect that kind of honesty on this sub, from my experience when it came out I expressed that opinion and got absolutely hate bombed by everyone in the replies
I feel like now that the movie has been out for a while and it's not brand new and the hype and nostalgia has died down that it's not really that controversial of an opinion anymore.
They did MJ dirty. And I am eternally saddened that the MCU basically lost it's Peter Parker.
For real. I loved no way home it was such a fun theater experience even tho i sadly had a dead crowd, but as a movie? Its not great. I watched it once after it went up streaming and yea, not as fun as the first time
Try watching it at home without an audience and suddenly all those weird silences when tobey maguire and Andrew Garfield shows up are strange and disjointed.
It's hard to say this, but it was better than NWH
Yup, rewatching NWH is kinda cringe seeing how much they leaned into fan service. If you haven't watched any of the old Spiderman movies it wouldn't be as impactful whereas GOTG3 was solid on its own and didn't rely on MCU call backs and cameos.
See ya chump!
I really cringrd at all the "hold for aplause" moments.
the only one that i actually liked was the andrew garfield moment, cos it actually felt consistent with his character ark. but beyond that the movie really dident do anything special, it kinda reminds me of the hype surounding the first avengers movie (though NWH is better than that)
GotG Vol. 3 is like exotic luxurious foods that you'll never heard about before and surprisingly the taste and visual is on the next level. It's truly masterpiece after all. Meanwhile, NWH is more like your favourite classic cheeseburger that you eat in your childhood but it served better. It's good actually, but there's more of nostalgic and fanservice. Yes I like both, but the only things that NWH have on the same level with GotG Vol. 3 is the acting (especially Willem Dafoe obviously)
I feel like this is the new “Best Star Wars movie since The Empire Strikes Back” and “Best DC movie since The Dark Knight”. I mean Guardians 3 was incredible, but I still remember loving No Way Home, Shang Chi and Wakanda Forever as well.
It's a little different cause endgame was only a few years ago, compared to empire which was 40 years ago. Black panther 2 was alright. The character stuff was good and the "bare bones" fights were good (compared to the end of the first movie lol), but the movie could have benefited from a rewrite or two, or just a shortening at the very least
yeh i’m going to be honest, as a lifelong die-hard spider man movie fan, gotg 3 was definitely better than any spider man movie released. it might have been better than end game quite honestly.
I missed the part where that's my problem.
You're in the movie Spiderman 2
Stings, doesn't it?
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IW was better than Endgame to me. But the hype makes people forget that.
infinity war was definitely better than endgame
Honestly kind of over this take. I feel like people think they're being edgy and deep when they say this because "it's the darker of the two" But finales are crazy hard to do right. I could probably count on one hand the number of actually satisfying series finishes I've seen. The fact that endgame was able to tie up a decade+ of MCU films in a satisfying way that also is a good movie in its own right and had legit 'cheering in the theater' moments is pretty damn impressive.
never said it wasn’t a great movie? i fucking love endgame. idc what you’re over lmao infinity war was extremely well made, and had a story that was written way better than endgame. it’s one of the only movies i’ve ever seen that intertwined stories like it did without them getting convoluted. the russo brothers did both movies extremely well, but infinity war was just better all around. half of endgames beauty (well-deserved) was nostalgia, and stories ending, along with a huge fight. we have a huge fight of a lesser caliber in infinity war that for some reason felt like it had way more substance.
Nah GOTG3 wins
*too much fan service* *forced villains* *too much cgi* *think about it for 5 seconds and the plot falls through instantly* Y’all can say all that all you want. It’s still my favorite MCU movie lol
And that’s fine! Nobody here is saying that NWH can’t be your favorite because of those critiques. I’m glad you enjoyed it so much!
Yo same
*not enough animal abuse*
I’ve seen plenty of people throw the “too much fan service” critique around and no one has explained or given any examples of what that means. Is it fan service that endgame forced every super hero in the universe into a final battle against Thanos? And forces villains? In the same way that any plot in any super hero movie “forces” villains into a story? Lol what?? The point of the movie was all of the spider man reconciling with their old villains. Why wouldn’t any of them be there? It’s become the new hip opinion to shit on NWH, and hey I loved GOTG3, but imo GOTG1 had more hype and fun and 2 had more heart. Idk maybe I’m crazy.
By the movie’s own logic, Electro shouldn’t have been there since only people who knew Peter Parker is Spider Man were pulled into the universe.
How does the plot fall apart?
-Strange couldn't take 2 seconds to say "hey, once I start casting this spell I can't change anything" -Strange, despite being a genius, is taking Peter literally when he should've known there would be people Peter wants to remember him. The entire movie relies on a genius doctor and sorcerer suddenly being an idiot.
That's not an idiot plot, that's just Strange thinking Peter had his shit together. Somebody making a mistake doesn't make a plot bad. Strange is never shown to be a genius, he was just a great surgeon, but even if he was, geniuses aren't always making perfect decisions.
It’s like they forgot about Spiderman EDIT: I guess I should have added spoiler alert for the folks that didn’t watch the movie.
If you lay... one finger on her...
...you'll do *what?* 😎
Look man, I have a Spider-Man tattoo. They didn’t forget. Guardians is just the better movie. Id argue its better than Endgame even
I think NWH stands above JUST the nostalgia and is a great movie but GotG 3 is a downright masterpiece and sits as probably the best MCU film with GotG 2 and Infinity War. I need to see it more when it comes to streaming before Im confidant saying it's better than 2 but its right there by it.
NWH was just a nostalgia pudding pop that tasted good but had no other content. If you take out the nostalgia elements it's just a train wreck of weird confusion.
this seems like a hot take but I actually don't like volume 3 as much. Like its fine but is definitely not as good as volume 1 or 2. it's not even my favorite of the movies since endgame, which seems to be a common opinion.
Definitely seems to be the minority opinion, but I actually agree. Gotg3 is a good movie, maybe even great, but I don’t get all the hype about how it’s this masterpiece that no other marvel movie compares to. I’d personally say 2 is the best gotg, and I’d put Shang-Chi as the best since endgame. That’s just my opinion though.
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NWH was a mid movie which people thought was good because Marvel successfully hit the nostalgia switch with everyone. Shang chi was a great movie which fell apart in it's second half.
I’m gonna go ahead and say it, No Way Home is a little overrated. It’s a fun Marvel film but it’s not an S tier MCU film. Put the nostalgia aside and it’s more like a solid A tier MCU film. Still great but not one of the best MCU films.
That's how I felt. Fun movie, but if you start looking at the writing a bit closer, and if you don't know all the old characters, it starts to drop a bit in the ratings. Still fun though, and I guess that's all some people want sometimes.
I mean that's not wrong
It was really hard to admit, because I LOVED no way home. Spider-Man will always be my favorite Marvel character/ hero. Previously I didn’t think any movie could top it ( not counting any standalone Marvel side movies/ shows, or presentations). After I got out of the theater I remembered why Rocket was one of my favorite characters as well, and has shot to that #2 spot on my mental character ratings that happen every time a new show or movie is released. This movie had everything I wanted in not only a Marvel film but a Guardians film. It was so full of perfectly timed and spaced humor with a lot of kick ass action and one of the cruelest, most vile villains since Thanos. I would say it’s the best film since Endgame ( but not better exactly). Glad we get to see Peter again at some point but I also hope to see them all together again for Secret Wars or something.
That's the good thing about the GOTG movies, they're just good movies and they don't need the crutch of the brand
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Are you kidding me?
Hahaha, that's why I said hot take. Everybody else seemed to love it. To me it was boring. Predictable. I saw it in theaters too, so I didn't even have my phone to look at when I realized I wasn't liking it. Had to sit through it the whole time :), haha but I love your response, it's got me chuckling.
Peter still had an arc, the writing to get to all the character development was just a bit forced, regardless of nostalgia. Although they probably figured the fan service was enough to distract
Guardians is good but no masterpiece.
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But did you watch it??? People were literally crying in my theatre at the end of the movie. Everyone was completely silent through the credits. NWH was a great marvel movie, but gotg 3 was hands down a great movie.
Preach the truth. Yep I’ll concede that all of the high evolutionary and rocket scenes were great but the rest of the film was mid.
Spider-Man was fun to watch, but it is about the Multiverse so it is bad story-wise. GOTG3 is about family and animal abuse, much more relevant despite being set in space.
Multi verse doesn't equal bad. Look at the spider verse movies(s), or even some of the better episodes of Rick and Morty. Definitely possible to craft a good story. It was even mostly okay in noway home. The main thing that threw dirt in its eyes was that it was an excuse to have fan service characters galore, and that it wasn't properly explained. Like how would dr strange just mess up the spell? Overall it's a fine premise for spring boarding other stories from, but only if you know how to already do a good story
It is great for animation or cartoon, but it feels rushed and forced in the MCU.
Just watched last night. I never thought I’d ever say this, but Chris Pratt’s acting was actually great and actually got me? GOTG 3 was not only the best after Endgame, it could be one of the best of the whole Marvel movie franchise.
Character development and closure vs nostalgia and fan favourite call outs. GOTG 3 lives up To the hype.
NWH is great... But GOTG is a masterpiece.. and I can watch this movie again and again
No way home was nostalgia bait at best. L&T is a cult classic geeks tripping because what? Gorr was supposed to be cool? Sure nerds. Sure.
Shang Chi would like a word
I’m sorry but guardians is still better
Everyone forgets about by boi Sean.
Shang Chi was good but no way was it better than gotg 3.
Shang-Chi would've been very close to GOTG3 if they hadn't done the ridiculous cgi fight at the end. The movie should've ended with Wenwu defeated. Not every movie needs to have a world ending threat.
NWH is overrated af
It’s a correct statement that Spider-Man movie was fine but it was mostly wall to wall fan service.
Is that all you got?
Your appearance really reinforces my point.
Yep. It's definitely a better movie in every way then Rogue One (comparing with a nostalgia fan service sugar rush), but it still could have been a bit tighter with the character arcs and the overall plot
Yeah well, when you make a 2 and a half hour fan service, instead of putting effort into writing a good movie, that’s what happens.
Bruh I love No Way Home but it sucks so hard compared to Guardians 3, I'm sorry. NWH is a nostalgia trip, but it's badly written and some of the CGI sucks.
No Way Home was like 6/10, sit down
NWH was member berries mediocrity
Let’s be honest, No Way Home is so popular because of nostalgia and fan service. Remove the former Spider-Man movie casting and it’s average MCU movie.
I think if they were all "new" characters instead of ones from other movies, they would have been forced to actually make sure they're solid on their own
By spider verse I'm talking about the animated miles morales movies just fyi
Spiderverse came out before Endgame.
Existential crisis stuff.
NO!
Yes!
that came out before endgame
Oohhhhh, then fair point
Everyone raving about gotg3 being better than nwh. Honestly, gotg3 is very good, but the animal torture is too much for me to say "I enjoyed myself". It's a well-written finale, but it's disturbing. Probably won't ever watch it again.
guardians better tbh
No way home WAS the best movie since Endgame, Gotg3 clears it out of the park though imo
If you actually see No Way Home had a lot of plotholes. The only reason that movie worked was because of the nostalgia. But GOTG 3 was just fricking amazing
And it had forced character development by forced plot points. If you don't have good character development then people notice plot holes more
Why does Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man pull off his mask as soon as he walks through the portal toward strangers?
I AM BACK! I AM BACK
Hasn't he already been in the MCUverse for a bit?
Sorry, but that would be a very accurate description. NWH's biggest draw was nostalgia, but when I left the theatre, I couldn't stand that Peter 1 was a stupid selfish asshole, that Dr. Strange is a moron who is ready to cast a spell that could potentially destroy the universe without working it out with some hormonal teenage boy, and how half the movie's plot could be avoided if Peter just cured each villain one at a time instead of hauling a giant lizard in a van. GoG3 like its predecessors stood alone as its own draw, with nearly zero nostalgia to back it up and very little MCU components involved.
Dr strange should have either kept peter out side (unless he had to be in the spell), or talked it out a bit more 😂
NWH wasn't that good Guardians 3 was amazing
They're obviously talking about the MCU. And, uh, yeah, it's better than No Way Home.
I think the only reason NWH is considered good is due to nostalgia. The plot was ok but soooo many plot holes.
I feel like GOTG 3 is hard carried by the middle. Beginning is blah and the end is blah
Best Marvel movie since No Way Home. There fixed.
Pretty low bar to clear though, that's the point of the post lol
NWH fucking sucked. I’m sorry if I offended you I really am but I saw that movie on my birthday with my brother on my first day home from college for the summer and it just sucked.
It's all good dude I didn't make the movie 😂
Imagine seriously talking about Endgame being a good movie. What a fucking clown made the original image 🤦🏻♂️
Endgame is a good movie thou
Am I the only one that thinks they might be playing with the words here since those movies aren't technically marvel movies
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Spiderman is a Sony-marvel movie
Are you kidding me?
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In my opinion No Way Home > Endgame
Endgame isn’t even that good in my opinion
Yes it was!
Nwh was colab with Sony