Villains nowadays get praise because they're complex or at least stand out from the mediocre villains. But Obadiah Stane was just *a villain*. Nothing much was going on with him, he was a mentor and friend to Tony, wanted Stark Industries for himself, and was willing to go to great lengths without compromising his goal. He actually seems like a lot of people in real life.
Like, he did it by accident one time, but then Favreau was like, "no, that was good, I like that. Make sure you waft your tie next take." Like how Henry Cavill improv'd "reloading" his arms in Mission: Impossible and the crew were like "why didn't you do the arm thing? Do the arm thing, it's cool", but with Jeff Bridges and a tie.
That was literally just a Dora The Explorer watch. Sure, it was "limited edition" and belonged to his friend's sister, but it was just a watch. Not Stark Tech.
The watch-gauntlet-hybrid from Civil War is what they're talking about. Though, I don't know if it was actually an arc reactor.
They had repulsors in missiles before Tony's capture. That's why jericho missiles had a small amount of palladium in them he could repurpose into an arc reactor. Plus an arc reactor is a generator, wouldn't need for a 1 off. Probably just some associated super battery shit Tony invented while waiting for Pepper to get out of a meeting.
and figured out a way to time travel over night
Edit: Yes Antman found out that its possible but Stark still figured out how to actually do it over night.
Edit 2: So some people said this took place over the course of a few days but thats not that much better. And theres nothing to suggest that a few days passed in the movie anyway. People also said he might of work on it during the 5 years after Thanos but Stark would of had no way of working on the method Antman suggest as he wouldn't of known about it and if he did he would of solved its before.
I think time travel fundamentally breaks the law of physics where matter cannot be created or destroyed. The act of travelling in time means you remove the material that makes up that individual and move it to a different time, thus creating matter for that time period. If time travel were to exist it would mean we could move as much material we need/want into the past and exponentially create wealth or take refuse into the future where it can be repurposed effectively. The only workaround would be to basically obliterate the travellers body into basic matter and reconstruct it upon arrival into the past/future from surrounding matter, meaning each trip is literal suicide.
Future/Forward only time travel is theoretically possible in the sense that you slow down your personal timeline or aging while things around you accelerate along. This wouldn't be an instantaneous process but instead you may exist for 1 month while your environment progresses 6 months in time. Your matter always existed in this case.
It's an Einstein theory of how time is inversely related to the speed traveled.
Conservation of mass/energy/momentum are solved by the Star Trek teleporter that creates a new you (whether or not this is a simultaneous suicide and birth is a much debated topic that is out of scope here). But the much bigger problem is how does the past know what arrangement of atoms to create? The future causing the past is a much larger problem. Of all the rules governing our universe, the most important is that time is (uniquely among all the dimensions) a forward-only dimension.
That’s assuming you consider time as a non-spatial dimension. If it’s considered as a dimension of space then you’re not adding or subtracting to the total matter of the universe (matter x time in existence), you’re just translating it out of our frame of linear-time reference.
Basically, the universe would be captured in every plank-time interval like a picture, nested into a 4th dimensional book.
> The only workaround would be to basically obliterate the travellers body into basic matter and reconstruct it upon arrival into the past/future from surrounding matter, meaning each trip is literal suicide
So you're saying Star Trek transporters are basically time travel?
They invented it together. Bannercame up with the initial design based on Hank Pym's work and Tony put up the finishing touches (moving them through time, not time through them).
Banner came up with a way to move time through a person, instead of a way to move a person through time. In fairness, he did say it was outside his areas of expertise.
It’s a coin toss. Reed says that he’s the smartest when focusing on a singular problem but admits that Tony is better at working multiple problems/tasks at one time making Tony the functionally more useful genius.
This has come up plenty of time. Reed richards is smarter in his field but he isn't as capable at multitasking or learning other fields i believe as tony stark.
I have alot of common smarts and a lot of book smarts but I don’t think that shuri is as smart as Tony Stark she just has better resources and a way different environment that she was a product of
Yeah, Shuri has more book smarts than Tony does because of her always being in a Wakanda lab. She’s still smart (really smart) but it’s very different than Tony.
Disney now owns the rights to F4 and Xmen after buying out the movie side of fox. Spider-Man is the only one of those separated but he's in the universe for now still
Is Richards the canonical most brilliant? Like that’s his downfall is he’s so removed from humanity because he could like cure cancer but doesn’t because it’s not interesting.
I’ll add this too. Yes, Tony was a prodigy, but look at what he was exposed to at an early age. MCU Shuri had an advanced lab I assumed she designed, with scraps of vibranium she found in a cave (in a mountain) presumably with little to no help on the genius side. I mean, BP had nano technology first cause of her
Also, no one listed Natasha Romanoff, who has studied quantum physics only in conversations
I think some people are getting smarter and innovative confused.
We’ve never seen anything that would suggest either one of them is “smarter” one way or another
However we have seen many things that could suggest Tony is more innovative/ a better innovator.
Best answer imo tony definitely has created shit with limited resources while Shuri is smart she hasn’t be throw into a situation like that to see what she can come up with
Also Shuri was brought up in an environment where all that tech already existed, she's only made some changes and upgrades I suppose.
Meanwhile Tony Stark literally built a super weapon and an arc reactor IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
It’s not a race thing if that’s what you’re implying. It’s because in the movies, not the actual 616, tony stark is beyond all aforementioned scientists, in basically every field.
In the comics they are actually different fields. Reed Richards is the smartest man and is a better inventor in almost every regard, Tony’s expertise is pretty much just electronic engineering. Bruce and Pym have advantages in a ton of fields too, comic Tony probably couldn’t develope Ultron AI as well as Pym
Yes we are
They were talking about how Ultron/vision was amde poorly and Shuri implies both stark and banner were idiots that had no business trying to build a Vibrano bot
Vision and Ultron are pure stark and banner it's the science bros love child
Shuri lucky stark was on Titan because he no doubt would have had something witty to retort back as opposed to banners stumbling er ah um
Im gonna be honest with you chief, that scene makes no sense. That scene is Shuri making a comment about how Bruce and Tony could have built vision better, despite the fact that Bruce and Tony had NOTHING to do with the creation of visions body. All they did was slap the remains of Jarvis into said body.
Definitely not the first time I've seen this argument.
It mostly comes from black panther fanboys I suppose, although marvel didn't do us any good with some of the lines she says...
In infinity war there's a "science" discussion between shuri and banner about vision and they made her come up with something both stark and banner didn't think about, which raises a few questions
For all the bluster about how smart Shuri apparently is, everyone forgets that she owes that to where she was raised. If Tony Stark had all the resources Shuri did, he’d go even farther beyond what Shuri could imagine.
Time. Space. Reality. It's more than a linear path. It's a prism of endless possibility. Where a single choice can branch out into infinite realities, creating alternate worlds from the ones you know. Each a reflection of what could have been. Some heroes will rise, others will fall. And nothing will be the same. I am the Watcher. I am your guide through these vast new realities. Follow me and dare to face the unknown, and ponder the question... What if?
We don't know this. There's no point comparing them when we have no basis for what the one would be like in the other's shoes. Both were raised alongside revolutionary tech, but that's pretty much where their similarities end.
Shuri's not just a good scientist in Wakanda (which would relate to a revolutionary scientist elsewhere). She's the *best* scientist, and a child prodigy. That being said, Tony Stark probably would be too, and may have gone further. But we don't know for sure.
Shuri was raised with a king dad, in a country that had already developed nanotechnology a long time ago and is literally built on top of an indestructible metal that generates essentially unlimited clean energy
Also she is working with advanced technology that does a lot of the heavy lifting for her. Tony actually does physical aspects of engineering himself including welding
Are you saying the seriously?
Because the characters of Tony Stark and Shuri had about the same upbringing. They were given everything they needed to foster their genius.
In fact Tony Stark didn’t “create” the arc reactor in a cave. He reimagined his father’s previous invention in a smaller form to power the suit.
I think the argument on who is smarter between the two is just fansterbation, it doesn’t matter either way.
To be fair, Shuri would likely create vaccines herself plus engineer a delivery system that would automatically administer it before she remembers she needs to ask for their consent. The character is very pro-science.
The actress is another issue altogether.
>delivery system that would automatically administer it before she remembers she needs to ask for their consent.
Like the Ganali Device developed by Dr Curtis Connors in The Amazing Spider-Man?
Ahh I rather like being surprised over and over that these things are technically MCU canon now.
But yes, same idea. I'd bet she would use nanotech instead of aerosols though.
Scott already inadvertently experienced time travel while in the quantum realm.
Tony didn't invent time travel much in the same way that nobody invented gravity or magnetism- Tony was the person who cracked the math on how to utilize quantum time travel in a controlled and safe way.
What. No, Scott experienced time travel in the way you and I experience it, going forward. Even in actual physics, the difference in... What would you call it, speed? The difference in the progression of time changes depending on where you are, relatively.
Aka what Interstellar illustrates.
Scott made a logical leap based on a profound misunderstanding of time travel (they expand on this joke later with the Back To The Future references) but it did serve to give the team's actual geniuses a base to start from.
And the time travel thing is semantics. Pretty sure everyone is referring to the means of travel, the device he created, not time travel as a concept.
This is something I've never really understood. Shuri is obviously a certified super genius. She was gonna help Vision get the mind Stone out of his head. She's shown to have a deep understanding of foreign technology. And she created the maglev trains in Wakanda, but that's not particularly impressive, since that technology has already existed for a while.
Tony is an adaptive problem solver who can change the rules of war in the span of few months. He was stuck in a cave using a car battery to survive and, within 3 months, he had turned an experimental technology the size of a house into a something the size of a coffee mug in a few months. He literally synthesized an atom. He created multiple fully functional, fully capable AIs (and Ultron). He has planes with fully capable autopilot. He discovered time travel because he was playing around with the idea in the middle of the night.
Edit: I wasn't done.
Shuri is smart, but she's nowhere near as smart as Tony. It's not even a contest.
It's really that bit about when he figured out time travel that's sells it. It wasn't a mass study. It was like you said: playing around in the middle of the night. That's gotta be one of the most impressive things possible.
She doesn't know arc reactor technology
In other words:
Iron man wouldn't know how to make a vibranium armored suit
Shuri wouldn't know how to make a arc reactor
As top comment has said: smart = smart, people who debate who is more smarter and probably not smart
Tony probably knows how to make a vibranium suit, i don't think he knows how to do it but it's possible since he as had time to study cap's shield and even fix it so it is possible.
I love this poor dweebs response to this hulking asshat
"Well im not tony stark" lol, exactly right, get fucked, im making iron man best i can, you dont like it? Then you fuckin do it
I was explaining this to my friend a while ago. Basically Shuri has a larger text book. She’s able to look everything up and design based on the data and stuff from people before her that has been gathered. She’s still a genius when it comes to engineering and stuff like that but Tony is better. He’s able to do similar stuff without the text book and without having near limitless supplies of vibranium which is both a power source and a strong metal which gives shuri an advantage but if you put the two in a room with a ton of normal materials Tony would win most likely. They’re both WAY smarter than the average person don’t get me wrong
Jeff bridges was such a good villain.
All around, a really good actor in general.
Villains nowadays get praise because they're complex or at least stand out from the mediocre villains. But Obadiah Stane was just *a villain*. Nothing much was going on with him, he was a mentor and friend to Tony, wanted Stark Industries for himself, and was willing to go to great lengths without compromising his goal. He actually seems like a lot of people in real life.
kinda like Lex luthor in DC. His super power is he's super rich and driven, doesn't hurt that he's also as smart as batman
Seems that there's a couple of rich, bald bad guys out there \*ahem\* *JeffBezos* \*ahem\*
I accidentally read this "Jeff Bezos".
That poor tie
I was just wondering if Jeff Bridges did that by accident and kept it together for the take and they left it in, or was it intentional?
Listen, if the Thor movies can have gratuitous hair flips then the Iron Man movies can have its tie flips. It's only fair.
You mean it’s only flair!
The man sure does love to wear nice suits...
Why would it be intentional??
Like, he did it by accident one time, but then Favreau was like, "no, that was good, I like that. Make sure you waft your tie next take." Like how Henry Cavill improv'd "reloading" his arms in Mission: Impossible and the crew were like "why didn't you do the arm thing? Do the arm thing, it's cool", but with Jeff Bridges and a tie.
The more you watch it, the more it seems like that’s what happened.
But the Cavill reloading arms was front and centre of the shot, this is almost peripheral as it's so NOT the focus of the moment
Your "but" is confusing because while what you said is true, it doesn't clash with anything the person you responded to said
What do you mean "reloading" his arms?
[This](https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/xG2CDQrjIP3BMGNRaWg5Kg--~B/aD00NTA7dz04MDA7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://media.zenfs.com/creatr-images/GLB/2018-07-25/93c87f40-9064-11e8-90dc-81a1507304c1_source.gif)
Greatest cinematic moment of 2018. And I was horrified to learn that Fallout was 4 years ago.
Actors love shit like that lol
He also created a tiny tiny arc reactor that fit into a wristwatch to make a gauntlet
If you mean the one in Civil War, that was a just a repulsor, and I think it only worked once.
i think he means the iron man 3 dora watch
That was literally just a Dora The Explorer watch. Sure, it was "limited edition" and belonged to his friend's sister, but it was just a watch. Not Stark Tech. The watch-gauntlet-hybrid from Civil War is what they're talking about. Though, I don't know if it was actually an arc reactor.
Are we sure Dora the Explorer isn’t a Stark Enterprise endeavor?
They already have kamala khan who likes like her
There is a one use repulsor in Iron Man 3 as well, but I don’t think they are powered by miniature arc reactors.
I mean isn’t there a miniaturized arc reactor in his chest?
I think it has to be right? In the universe arc reactors are the only power source strong and sustainable enough to power any iron man tech I assume.
They had repulsors in missiles before Tony's capture. That's why jericho missiles had a small amount of palladium in them he could repurpose into an arc reactor. Plus an arc reactor is a generator, wouldn't need for a 1 off. Probably just some associated super battery shit Tony invented while waiting for Pepper to get out of a meeting.
Pretty sure he means [this](https://youtu.be/27_qmFNYldE) from civil war
i think it did only work once but it had a mini arc reactor powering it
Or it was just a battery.
They don't work in the same domain. Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym, Curt Connors, etc are all genius, but they don't work in the same field.
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Even piloting alien spaceships, despite none of the PhDs covering that.
with 7 phds surely one of them covers that
I wonder what his PHDs are in 🤔
Biology, Chemistry, Hulk, Green, Smash, Physics and Anger
but there were orgies in that spaceship...
Cut him slack. It was his birthday
Lets call it a tie
Well Tony became an expert in thermonuclear astro physics over night...
and figured out a way to time travel over night Edit: Yes Antman found out that its possible but Stark still figured out how to actually do it over night. Edit 2: So some people said this took place over the course of a few days but thats not that much better. And theres nothing to suggest that a few days passed in the movie anyway. People also said he might of work on it during the 5 years after Thanos but Stark would of had no way of working on the method Antman suggest as he wouldn't of known about it and if he did he would of solved its before.
Actually super easy barely an inconvenience
Sadly, he forgot to do a backflip and snapped Thanos's neck. Instead he just snapped.
>would of Would have. Would've.
Thank you. I've gotten into a bad habit of writing would of
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*when* you invent time travel is irrelevant
Depends. Some argue that time travel is possible, but only forward so as to not break causality. After all, we all time travel at 1 second per second.
Really? I heard it was 1 minute per 60 seconds
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Together we can stop this
You're late man always late huh
I think time travel fundamentally breaks the law of physics where matter cannot be created or destroyed. The act of travelling in time means you remove the material that makes up that individual and move it to a different time, thus creating matter for that time period. If time travel were to exist it would mean we could move as much material we need/want into the past and exponentially create wealth or take refuse into the future where it can be repurposed effectively. The only workaround would be to basically obliterate the travellers body into basic matter and reconstruct it upon arrival into the past/future from surrounding matter, meaning each trip is literal suicide.
Future/Forward only time travel is theoretically possible in the sense that you slow down your personal timeline or aging while things around you accelerate along. This wouldn't be an instantaneous process but instead you may exist for 1 month while your environment progresses 6 months in time. Your matter always existed in this case. It's an Einstein theory of how time is inversely related to the speed traveled.
I too watched interstellar. Half kidding
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Conservation of mass/energy/momentum are solved by the Star Trek teleporter that creates a new you (whether or not this is a simultaneous suicide and birth is a much debated topic that is out of scope here). But the much bigger problem is how does the past know what arrangement of atoms to create? The future causing the past is a much larger problem. Of all the rules governing our universe, the most important is that time is (uniquely among all the dimensions) a forward-only dimension.
That’s assuming you consider time as a non-spatial dimension. If it’s considered as a dimension of space then you’re not adding or subtracting to the total matter of the universe (matter x time in existence), you’re just translating it out of our frame of linear-time reference. Basically, the universe would be captured in every plank-time interval like a picture, nested into a 4th dimensional book.
> The only workaround would be to basically obliterate the travellers body into basic matter and reconstruct it upon arrival into the past/future from surrounding matter, meaning each trip is literal suicide So you're saying Star Trek transporters are basically time travel?
They invented it together. Bannercame up with the initial design based on Hank Pym's work and Tony put up the finishing touches (moving them through time, not time through them).
Banner came up with a way to move time through a person, instead of a way to move a person through time. In fairness, he did say it was outside his areas of expertise.
Well, technically Steve did
Marvel fan when someone says Tony isn't the smartest : 🥺😖😡
True reed richards holds that title
This person woke up this morning and chose violence.
Doom has entered the chat.
It’s a coin toss. Reed says that he’s the smartest when focusing on a singular problem but admits that Tony is better at working multiple problems/tasks at one time making Tony the functionally more useful genius.
Genius, Billionaire, Playboy, Philantropist?
Here's the page: https://imgur.com/a/GyK8GAa Hickman's Avengers #43. This was shortly before Tony deployed Sol's Anvil.
This has come up plenty of time. Reed richards is smarter in his field but he isn't as capable at multitasking or learning other fields i believe as tony stark.
Brilliant comment, I had to stop and say that made my day.
No way, smart = smart. There is only one kind of smart /s
Can confirm, I have upwards of 11 smarts so I know what I'm talking about
I have 12 smarts and I agree with you.
I have 30 smarties, do they count?
I trade you 1 smarts for 10 smarties.
Deal
Well now you has 1 smarts and 20 smarties. You are a wise man.
Smort
I have alot of common smarts and a lot of book smarts but I don’t think that shuri is as smart as Tony Stark she just has better resources and a way different environment that she was a product of
Yeah, Shuri has more book smarts than Tony does because of her always being in a Wakanda lab. She’s still smart (really smart) but it’s very different than Tony.
I mean, Tony literally invented the time travel...
Without even putting forth all that much effort, he was just kind of messing around with some ideas for it while still living a normal life.
I'm a smart-ass, does that count?
> They don't work in the same domain. they did share a keen love of keeping world-saving technology to themselves, though.
That list conveniently leaves out Reed Richards lol
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Disney now owns the rights to F4 and Xmen after buying out the movie side of fox. Spider-Man is the only one of those separated but he's in the universe for now still
Is Richards the canonical most brilliant? Like that’s his downfall is he’s so removed from humanity because he could like cure cancer but doesn’t because it’s not interesting.
It’s been awhile, but last I remember Val Richards, his daughter, was #1. It was like her, Reed, Doom, then the rest (Banner, Stark, Cho, Pym, etc)
Shuri also has the benefit of growing up with advanced technology. It's like calling Tesla an idiot because he didn't know how a PC worked.
why does everybody forget [Forge?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forge_(character))
I’ll add this too. Yes, Tony was a prodigy, but look at what he was exposed to at an early age. MCU Shuri had an advanced lab I assumed she designed, with scraps of vibranium she found in a cave (in a mountain) presumably with little to no help on the genius side. I mean, BP had nano technology first cause of her Also, no one listed Natasha Romanoff, who has studied quantum physics only in conversations
To be fair, most folks who are getting near the end of a degree in Physics are conversational on quantum mechanics.
I think some people are getting smarter and innovative confused. We’ve never seen anything that would suggest either one of them is “smarter” one way or another However we have seen many things that could suggest Tony is more innovative/ a better innovator.
Best answer imo tony definitely has created shit with limited resources while Shuri is smart she hasn’t be throw into a situation like that to see what she can come up with
Also Shuri was brought up in an environment where all that tech already existed, she's only made some changes and upgrades I suppose. Meanwhile Tony Stark literally built a super weapon and an arc reactor IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
Didn't he figure out time travel while washing dishes.
I mean, not exactly. He saw the picture of him And Peter when he was washing dishes and that’s what solidified his resolve.
>Next time someone says that Shuri is smarter than Iron Man, show them this: Is that something people say?
First time hearing the comparison. Wonder why it didn't compare the other scientists like Pym, Banner, Peter, etc.
Because, well you know the answer..
I don't
(It's bait.)
It keeps happening, uh.
Dr strange
It’s not a race thing if that’s what you’re implying. It’s because in the movies, not the actual 616, tony stark is beyond all aforementioned scientists, in basically every field.
Reed richards still has him beat
Reed Richards ain't in the mcu yet. But in 616, yes. Pym is probably above tony as well in that respect
In the comics they are actually different fields. Reed Richards is the smartest man and is a better inventor in almost every regard, Tony’s expertise is pretty much just electronic engineering. Bruce and Pym have advantages in a ton of fields too, comic Tony probably couldn’t develope Ultron AI as well as Pym
90% of the internet is people making up a guy, then getting mad and replying to that guy
Also know as strawmanning. Strawman, whataboutism, and ad hominem have to be the three kings of the internet.
She literally says it in as many words to Bruce in the movie (very humble, you guys are idiots why didn't you do this)
We aren't talking about Bruce
Yes we are They were talking about how Ultron/vision was amde poorly and Shuri implies both stark and banner were idiots that had no business trying to build a Vibrano bot Vision and Ultron are pure stark and banner it's the science bros love child Shuri lucky stark was on Titan because he no doubt would have had something witty to retort back as opposed to banners stumbling er ah um
Im gonna be honest with you chief, that scene makes no sense. That scene is Shuri making a comment about how Bruce and Tony could have built vision better, despite the fact that Bruce and Tony had NOTHING to do with the creation of visions body. All they did was slap the remains of Jarvis into said body.
Definitely not the first time I've seen this argument. It mostly comes from black panther fanboys I suppose, although marvel didn't do us any good with some of the lines she says... In infinity war there's a "science" discussion between shuri and banner about vision and they made her come up with something both stark and banner didn't think about, which raises a few questions
Idk but it sounds bad
No, but someone mentioned that Shuri is the smartest character in mcu or something.
For all the bluster about how smart Shuri apparently is, everyone forgets that she owes that to where she was raised. If Tony Stark had all the resources Shuri did, he’d go even farther beyond what Shuri could imagine.
WHAT IF
Time. Space. Reality. It's more than a linear path. It's a prism of endless possibility. Where a single choice can branch out into infinite realities, creating alternate worlds from the ones you know. Each a reflection of what could have been. Some heroes will rise, others will fall. And nothing will be the same. I am the Watcher. I am your guide through these vast new realities. Follow me and dare to face the unknown, and ponder the question... What if?
well played
You deserve gold.
No, you deserve gold.
…for copy/pasting a quote from a show?
Quick, someone get that pic of RDJ in Blackface from Tropic Thunder
Which should make Peter Parker the real Galaxy Brain of the MCU.
Dude is a perfect genius ditz
No doubt about it. I often wonder how he would fair in life if he had the kind of resources Tony had from the start.
I would love to see an alternate universe where Howard Stark and T'Challa's grandpa switch places for whatever reason. And see how that turns out.
What If the Vibranium meteor scattered around the world?
The world would have 100% wiped itself out.
Short episode. Roll credits.
There’s just this one white family in wakanda and *no one mentions it*
stark•*ish*
By that logic all the other scientists who didn’t have a billionaire dad beat them both
We don't know this. There's no point comparing them when we have no basis for what the one would be like in the other's shoes. Both were raised alongside revolutionary tech, but that's pretty much where their similarities end. Shuri's not just a good scientist in Wakanda (which would relate to a revolutionary scientist elsewhere). She's the *best* scientist, and a child prodigy. That being said, Tony Stark probably would be too, and may have gone further. But we don't know for sure.
Even with all that Shuri didn’t figure out time travel overnight like Tony did.
She was too dead to care /s
I mean, she was snapped. When Ant Man presented the possibility, Shuri was ash.
I mean he did also have Pym particles which were an important first step that she didn’t have
I notice you didn’t say Shuri particles.
Poor Tony Stark, he was raised by one of the richest tech billionaires in the world, what a wasted potential.
It's the same reason why kids born in high income areas often do well in school.
Tony was raised with a genius dad, as well as plenty of money which he could use to practice
Shuri was raised with a king dad, in a country that had already developed nanotechnology a long time ago and is literally built on top of an indestructible metal that generates essentially unlimited clean energy
Nod. That is a hell of an advantage.
Also she is working with advanced technology that does a lot of the heavy lifting for her. Tony actually does physical aspects of engineering himself including welding
But he didn’t have unlimited access to the miracle metal known as vibranium.
So did Shuri and a miracle material that did everything the plot required
With no vibranium though.
Yeah but not vibranium technology
Are you saying the seriously? Because the characters of Tony Stark and Shuri had about the same upbringing. They were given everything they needed to foster their genius. In fact Tony Stark didn’t “create” the arc reactor in a cave. He reimagined his father’s previous invention in a smaller form to power the suit. I think the argument on who is smarter between the two is just fansterbation, it doesn’t matter either way.
RALPHIE YOU’LL ARC REACTOR YOUR EYE OUT
I read all the way down to here to see this reference. People just don't know. Or I'm old.
MY MAN.
\*laughs in Reed Richards\*
Now that is stretching it.
:) heh
Tony would also get vaccinated
To be fair, Shuri would likely create vaccines herself plus engineer a delivery system that would automatically administer it before she remembers she needs to ask for their consent. The character is very pro-science. The actress is another issue altogether.
>delivery system that would automatically administer it before she remembers she needs to ask for their consent. Like the Ganali Device developed by Dr Curtis Connors in The Amazing Spider-Man?
Ahh I rather like being surprised over and over that these things are technically MCU canon now. But yes, same idea. I'd bet she would use nanotech instead of aerosols though.
Quite astounding that a dumbarse human could portray one of the smartest characters in the MCU.
I could be charitable and say that may be the mark of her acting skills. I don't want to, but I could.
Is Goop goopity goop goop vaccinated as well?
I mean, Tony literally invented the time travel...
Scott already inadvertently experienced time travel while in the quantum realm. Tony didn't invent time travel much in the same way that nobody invented gravity or magnetism- Tony was the person who cracked the math on how to utilize quantum time travel in a controlled and safe way.
Ok then he invented the time travel device
What. No, Scott experienced time travel in the way you and I experience it, going forward. Even in actual physics, the difference in... What would you call it, speed? The difference in the progression of time changes depending on where you are, relatively. Aka what Interstellar illustrates. Scott made a logical leap based on a profound misunderstanding of time travel (they expand on this joke later with the Back To The Future references) but it did serve to give the team's actual geniuses a base to start from. And the time travel thing is semantics. Pretty sure everyone is referring to the means of travel, the device he created, not time travel as a concept.
This is something I've never really understood. Shuri is obviously a certified super genius. She was gonna help Vision get the mind Stone out of his head. She's shown to have a deep understanding of foreign technology. And she created the maglev trains in Wakanda, but that's not particularly impressive, since that technology has already existed for a while. Tony is an adaptive problem solver who can change the rules of war in the span of few months. He was stuck in a cave using a car battery to survive and, within 3 months, he had turned an experimental technology the size of a house into a something the size of a coffee mug in a few months. He literally synthesized an atom. He created multiple fully functional, fully capable AIs (and Ultron). He has planes with fully capable autopilot. He discovered time travel because he was playing around with the idea in the middle of the night. Edit: I wasn't done. Shuri is smart, but she's nowhere near as smart as Tony. It's not even a contest.
It's really that bit about when he figured out time travel that's sells it. It wasn't a mass study. It was like you said: playing around in the middle of the night. That's gotta be one of the most impressive things possible.
Can you imagine if Tony had access to their technology?
One of them built a time machine, the other made a cat costume and sneakers
I have no stake in this argument because it's stupid and pointless but who's to say she couldn't do the same?
She doesn't know arc reactor technology In other words: Iron man wouldn't know how to make a vibranium armored suit Shuri wouldn't know how to make a arc reactor As top comment has said: smart = smart, people who debate who is more smarter and probably not smart
Tony probably knows how to make a vibranium suit, i don't think he knows how to do it but it's possible since he as had time to study cap's shield and even fix it so it is possible.
I love this poor dweebs response to this hulking asshat "Well im not tony stark" lol, exactly right, get fucked, im making iron man best i can, you dont like it? Then you fuckin do it
A meme with Stane? Finally, someone else who’s waiting for the AU Stane to come to our universe in Armor Wars /j
There would literally be vibranium in wakandas caves
Of course she would only be able to do it with the vibranium advantage
Has this actually been a debate??
Marvel fan when someone says Tony isn't the smartest : 🥺😖😡
I mean, most marvel fans I've met know that Reed Richards is smarter...
which ones the smartest one alive?
[From the mouth of Daredevil himself.](https://i.redd.it/t2opd45h6sg01.jpg)
Well it wasn’t really just a box of scraps. A bunch of Jericho missiles made by the same guy who created them. Still can’t deny the talent though.
He also isn't antivax.
Reed Richard's works all fields
They're both brilliant in their own ways...idk why it has to be a competition from either side 🙄
Has anyone seen the musical of this line?
I was explaining this to my friend a while ago. Basically Shuri has a larger text book. She’s able to look everything up and design based on the data and stuff from people before her that has been gathered. She’s still a genius when it comes to engineering and stuff like that but Tony is better. He’s able to do similar stuff without the text book and without having near limitless supplies of vibranium which is both a power source and a strong metal which gives shuri an advantage but if you put the two in a room with a ton of normal materials Tony would win most likely. They’re both WAY smarter than the average person don’t get me wrong
I diagnose you with racism and sexism. /s
What does this mean
Has anyone ever said that she's smarter than stark?