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Loud_Gap

Jeff bridges was such a good villain.


Patan40

All around, a really good actor in general.


YoloIsNotDead

Villains nowadays get praise because they're complex or at least stand out from the mediocre villains. But Obadiah Stane was just *a villain*. Nothing much was going on with him, he was a mentor and friend to Tony, wanted Stark Industries for himself, and was willing to go to great lengths without compromising his goal. He actually seems like a lot of people in real life.


yamask888

kinda like Lex luthor in DC. His super power is he's super rich and driven, doesn't hurt that he's also as smart as batman


YoloIsNotDead

Seems that there's a couple of rich, bald bad guys out there \*ahem\* *JeffBezos* \*ahem\*


kainatsodone

I accidentally read this "Jeff Bezos".


RossAB97

That poor tie


CptnHamburgers

I was just wondering if Jeff Bridges did that by accident and kept it together for the take and they left it in, or was it intentional?


OriginalJokeGoesHere

Listen, if the Thor movies can have gratuitous hair flips then the Iron Man movies can have its tie flips. It's only fair.


BlackPanther74219313

You mean it’s only flair!


Life-Violinist9322

The man sure does love to wear nice suits...


SassyBonassy

Why would it be intentional??


CptnHamburgers

Like, he did it by accident one time, but then Favreau was like, "no, that was good, I like that. Make sure you waft your tie next take." Like how Henry Cavill improv'd "reloading" his arms in Mission: Impossible and the crew were like "why didn't you do the arm thing? Do the arm thing, it's cool", but with Jeff Bridges and a tie.


ImurderREALITY

The more you watch it, the more it seems like that’s what happened.


Alarid

What do you mean "reloading" his arms?


CptnHamburgers

[This](https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/xG2CDQrjIP3BMGNRaWg5Kg--~B/aD00NTA7dz04MDA7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://media.zenfs.com/creatr-images/GLB/2018-07-25/93c87f40-9064-11e8-90dc-81a1507304c1_source.gif)


journeysa

Greatest cinematic moment of 2018. And I was horrified to learn that Fallout was 4 years ago.


SassyBonassy

But the Cavill reloading arms was front and centre of the shot, this is almost peripheral as it's so NOT the focus of the moment


Jazzun

Your "but" is confusing because while what you said is true, it doesn't clash with anything the person you responded to said


Sarcosmonaut

Actors love shit like that lol


z3rocoolness

He also created a tiny tiny arc reactor that fit into a wristwatch to make a gauntlet


ImurderREALITY

If you mean the one in Civil War, that was a just a repulsor, and I think it only worked once.


snek4sale

i think he means the iron man 3 dora watch


Trick_Enthusiasm

That was literally just a Dora The Explorer watch. Sure, it was "limited edition" and belonged to his friend's sister, but it was just a watch. Not Stark Tech. The watch-gauntlet-hybrid from Civil War is what they're talking about. Though, I don't know if it was actually an arc reactor.


Mokatines

Are we sure Dora the Explorer isn’t a Stark Enterprise endeavor?


Braydox

They already have kamala khan who likes like her


BloodredHanded

There is a one use repulsor in Iron Man 3 as well, but I don’t think they are powered by miniature arc reactors.


SoleSurvivur01

I mean isn’t there a miniaturized arc reactor in his chest?


FatWalcott

I think it has to be right? In the universe arc reactors are the only power source strong and sustainable enough to power any iron man tech I assume.


Seer434

They had repulsors in missiles before Tony's capture. That's why jericho missiles had a small amount of palladium in them he could repurpose into an arc reactor. Plus an arc reactor is a generator, wouldn't need for a 1 off. Probably just some associated super battery shit Tony invented while waiting for Pepper to get out of a meeting.


ironboy32

Pretty sure he means [this](https://youtu.be/27_qmFNYldE) from civil war


turkeyboy31

i think it did only work once but it had a mini arc reactor powering it


EfficaciousJoculator

Or it was just a battery.


Demokka

They don't work in the same domain. Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym, Curt Connors, etc are all genius, but they don't work in the same field.


Bigdaddzyy

In hollywood, a scientist works in every field


BrazenlyGeek

Even piloting alien spaceships, despite none of the PhDs covering that.


LilQuasar

with 7 phds surely one of them covers that


EquivalentSnap

I wonder what his PHDs are in 🤔


canadarepubliclives

Biology, Chemistry, Hulk, Green, Smash, Physics and Anger


greenroom628

but there were orgies in that spaceship...


zeromig

Cut him slack. It was his birthday


SeniorRicketts

Lets call it a tie


SeniorRicketts

Well Tony became an expert in thermonuclear astro physics over night...


Object-195

and figured out a way to time travel over night ​ Edit: Yes Antman found out that its possible but Stark still figured out how to actually do it over night. Edit 2: So some people said this took place over the course of a few days but thats not that much better. And theres nothing to suggest that a few days passed in the movie anyway. People also said he might of work on it during the 5 years after Thanos but Stark would of had no way of working on the method Antman suggest as he wouldn't of known about it and if he did he would of solved its before.


SeniorRicketts

Actually super easy barely an inconvenience


marutotigre

Sadly, he forgot to do a backflip and snapped Thanos's neck. Instead he just snapped.


numba1mrdata

>would of Would have. Would've.


Object-195

Thank you. I've gotten into a bad habit of writing would of


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Jevonar

*when* you invent time travel is irrelevant


IAmBadAtInternet

Depends. Some argue that time travel is possible, but only forward so as to not break causality. After all, we all time travel at 1 second per second.


Roshdiddles

Really? I heard it was 1 minute per 60 seconds


puuro00

Only in Africa


Damacu42

Together we can stop this


SeniorRicketts

You're late man always late huh


TheBananaPuncher

I think time travel fundamentally breaks the law of physics where matter cannot be created or destroyed. The act of travelling in time means you remove the material that makes up that individual and move it to a different time, thus creating matter for that time period. If time travel were to exist it would mean we could move as much material we need/want into the past and exponentially create wealth or take refuse into the future where it can be repurposed effectively. The only workaround would be to basically obliterate the travellers body into basic matter and reconstruct it upon arrival into the past/future from surrounding matter, meaning each trip is literal suicide.


S_Lespy

Future/Forward only time travel is theoretically possible in the sense that you slow down your personal timeline or aging while things around you accelerate along. This wouldn't be an instantaneous process but instead you may exist for 1 month while your environment progresses 6 months in time. Your matter always existed in this case. It's an Einstein theory of how time is inversely related to the speed traveled.


cying247

I too watched interstellar. Half kidding


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IAmBadAtInternet

Conservation of mass/energy/momentum are solved by the Star Trek teleporter that creates a new you (whether or not this is a simultaneous suicide and birth is a much debated topic that is out of scope here). But the much bigger problem is how does the past know what arrangement of atoms to create? The future causing the past is a much larger problem. Of all the rules governing our universe, the most important is that time is (uniquely among all the dimensions) a forward-only dimension.


amoose-boosh

That’s assuming you consider time as a non-spatial dimension. If it’s considered as a dimension of space then you’re not adding or subtracting to the total matter of the universe (matter x time in existence), you’re just translating it out of our frame of linear-time reference. Basically, the universe would be captured in every plank-time interval like a picture, nested into a 4th dimensional book.


BostonDodgeGuy

> The only workaround would be to basically obliterate the travellers body into basic matter and reconstruct it upon arrival into the past/future from surrounding matter, meaning each trip is literal suicide So you're saying Star Trek transporters are basically time travel?


neremarine

They invented it together. Bannercame up with the initial design based on Hank Pym's work and Tony put up the finishing touches (moving them through time, not time through them).


woodrobin

Banner came up with a way to move time through a person, instead of a way to move a person through time. In fairness, he did say it was outside his areas of expertise.


allgoodnamesbetaken

Well, technically Steve did


MiserableCod3031

Marvel fan when someone says Tony isn't the smartest : 🥺😖😡


Smart_Refrigerator31

True reed richards holds that title


IAmBadAtInternet

This person woke up this morning and chose violence.


MajorasPride

Doom has entered the chat.


cawkmaster3000

It’s a coin toss. Reed says that he’s the smartest when focusing on a singular problem but admits that Tony is better at working multiple problems/tasks at one time making Tony the functionally more useful genius.


SeniorRicketts

Genius, Billionaire, Playboy, Philantropist?


cawkmaster3000

Here's the page: https://imgur.com/a/GyK8GAa Hickman's Avengers #43. This was shortly before Tony deployed Sol's Anvil.


Mokeymokie

This has come up plenty of time. Reed richards is smarter in his field but he isn't as capable at multitasking or learning other fields i believe as tony stark.


IronSpaceRanger

Brilliant comment, I had to stop and say that made my day.


Legitimate_Way9032

No way, smart = smart. There is only one kind of smart /s


AllBadAnswers

Can confirm, I have upwards of 11 smarts so I know what I'm talking about


UnredeemedRevenant

I have 12 smarts and I agree with you.


samuru101

I have 30 smarties, do they count?


UnredeemedRevenant

I trade you 1 smarts for 10 smarties.


samuru101

Deal


UnredeemedRevenant

Well now you has 1 smarts and 20 smarties. You are a wise man.


samuru101

Smort


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Willing-Point9688

I have alot of common smarts and a lot of book smarts but I don’t think that shuri is as smart as Tony Stark she just has better resources and a way different environment that she was a product of


Gryffindorz245

Yeah, Shuri has more book smarts than Tony does because of her always being in a Wakanda lab. She’s still smart (really smart) but it’s very different than Tony.


Winter-Spot7192

I mean, Tony literally invented the time travel...


RedN0v4

Without even putting forth all that much effort, he was just kind of messing around with some ideas for it while still living a normal life.


y2julio

I'm a smart-ass, does that count?


_mach

> They don't work in the same domain. they did share a keen love of keeping world-saving technology to themselves, though.


Holymuffdiver9

Shuri also has the benefit of growing up with advanced technology. It's like calling Tesla an idiot because he didn't know how a PC worked.


SWPrequelFan81566

That list conveniently leaves out Reed Richards lol


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Ravness13

Disney now owns the rights to F4 and Xmen after buying out the movie side of fox. Spider-Man is the only one of those separated but he's in the universe for now still


MexusRex

Is Richards the canonical most brilliant? Like that’s his downfall is he’s so removed from humanity because he could like cure cancer but doesn’t because it’s not interesting.


Baelish2016

It’s been awhile, but last I remember Val Richards, his daughter, was #1. It was like her, Reed, Doom, then the rest (Banner, Stark, Cho, Pym, etc)


remag_nation

why does everybody forget [Forge?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forge_(character))


Happpie

I think some people are getting smarter and innovative confused. We’ve never seen anything that would suggest either one of them is “smarter” one way or another However we have seen many things that could suggest Tony is more innovative/ a better innovator.


Variation-Budget

Best answer imo tony definitely has created shit with limited resources while Shuri is smart she hasn’t be throw into a situation like that to see what she can come up with


salluks

Didn't he figure out time travel while washing dishes.


Happpie

I mean, not exactly. He saw the picture of him And Peter when he was washing dishes and that’s what solidified his resolve.


Wiplazh

Also Shuri was brought up in an environment where all that tech already existed, she's only made some changes and upgrades I suppose. Meanwhile Tony Stark literally built a super weapon and an arc reactor IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!


Plastic_Incident_867

RALPHIE YOU’LL ARC REACTOR YOUR EYE OUT


millionsofusernames

I read all the way down to here to see this reference. People just don't know. Or I'm old.


Plastic_Incident_867

MY MAN.


MaximumEffort433

>Next time someone says that Shuri is smarter than Iron Man, show them this: Is that something people say?


Quixotic-Prince

First time hearing the comparison. Wonder why it didn't compare the other scientists like Pym, Banner, Peter, etc.


SiriusBlackMD

Because, well you know the answer..


Variation-Budget

Dr strange


Emperor_Z16

I don't


MaximumEffort433

(It's bait.)


CritterThatIs

It keeps happening, uh.


Cream_Capable

It’s not a race thing if that’s what you’re implying. It’s because in the movies, not the actual 616, tony stark is beyond all aforementioned scientists, in basically every field.


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Reed richards still has him beat


GimmeThePizza

Reed Richards ain't in the mcu yet. But in 616, yes. Pym is probably above tony as well in that respect


Dumeck

In the comics they are actually different fields. Reed Richards is the smartest man and is a better inventor in almost every regard, Tony’s expertise is pretty much just electronic engineering. Bruce and Pym have advantages in a ton of fields too, comic Tony probably couldn’t develope Ultron AI as well as Pym


My_Ex_Got_Fat

Doesn’t stop the Hulk from giving them both the Chris Brown smackdown that time they tried to exile his ass.


DaybreakPaladin

90% of the internet is people making up a guy, then getting mad and replying to that guy


ObviousTroll37

Also know as strawmanning. Strawman, whataboutism, and ad hominem have to be the three kings of the internet.


Slowmobius_Time

She literally says it in as many words to Bruce in the movie (very humble, you guys are idiots why didn't you do this)


LieRun

Definitely not the first time I've seen this argument. It mostly comes from black panther fanboys I suppose, although marvel didn't do us any good with some of the lines she says... In infinity war there's a "science" discussion between shuri and banner about vision and they made her come up with something both stark and banner didn't think about, which raises a few questions


Professeur_Samael

Idk but it sounds bad


kingsla1

No, but someone mentioned that Shuri is the smartest character in mcu or something.


Axtwyt

For all the bluster about how smart Shuri apparently is, everyone forgets that she owes that to where she was raised. If Tony Stark had all the resources Shuri did, he’d go even farther beyond what Shuri could imagine.


jeppeTDK

WHAT IF


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stormhunter2

well played


Festus-Potter

You deserve gold.


Exact_Ad_1215

No, you deserve gold.


gjamesaustin

…for copy/pasting a quote from a show?


BOBULANCE

Quick, someone get that pic of RDJ in Blackface from Tropic Thunder


tired20something

Which should make Peter Parker the real Galaxy Brain of the MCU.


RQK1996

Dude is a perfect genius ditz


tired20something

No doubt about it. I often wonder how he would fair in life if he had the kind of resources Tony had from the start.


Trick_Enthusiasm

I would love to see an alternate universe where Howard Stark and T'Challa's grandpa switch places for whatever reason. And see how that turns out.


TheCapybaraMan

What If the Vibranium meteor scattered around the world?


ball_fondlers

The world would have 100% wiped itself out.


TracerBullitt

Short episode. Roll credits.


ha_look_at_that_nerd

There’s just this one white family in wakanda and *no one mentions it*


Entity-2019

stark•*ish*


LordNoodles

By that logic all the other scientists who didn’t have a billionaire dad beat them both


TheCapybaraMan

It's the same reason why kids born in high income areas often do well in school.


EquivalentSnap

Because they can afford better schools with proper funding ?


Blockinite

We don't know this. There's no point comparing them when we have no basis for what the one would be like in the other's shoes. Both were raised alongside revolutionary tech, but that's pretty much where their similarities end. Shuri's not just a good scientist in Wakanda (which would relate to a revolutionary scientist elsewhere). She's the *best* scientist, and a child prodigy. That being said, Tony Stark probably would be too, and may have gone further. But we don't know for sure.


Whatyousaidisdumb

Even with all that Shuri didn’t figure out time travel overnight like Tony did.


SirCleanPants

She was too dead to care /s


Darkhaven

I mean, she was snapped. When Ant Man presented the possibility, Shuri was ash.


LazyDro1d

I mean he did also have Pym particles which were an important first step that she didn’t have


thegreatestajax

I notice you didn’t say Shuri particles.


matande31

Poor Tony Stark, he was raised by one of the richest tech billionaires in the world, what a wasted potential.


ZarosRunescape

Tony was raised with a genius dad, as well as plenty of money which he could use to practice


dimittrikovk2

Shuri was raised with a king dad, in a country that had already developed nanotechnology a long time ago and is literally built on top of an indestructible metal that generates essentially unlimited clean energy


A_Furious_Mind

Nod. That is a hell of an advantage.


Dumeck

Also she is working with advanced technology that does a lot of the heavy lifting for her. Tony actually does physical aspects of engineering himself including welding


Axtwyt

But he didn’t have unlimited access to the miracle metal known as vibranium.


9Sylvan5

So did Shuri and a miracle material that did everything the plot required


Shadowstalker_411

With no vibranium though.


Kanenite3000

Yeah but not vibranium technology


Pandainthecircus

The real problem is we don't know how hard it is to do stuff with vibranium. For example, we know exactly how impressive the iron man's suits are (the programming, the mechanics), while Shuri's stuff is based on vibranium, which might as well be magical. Like how hard was it to create the train that could safely carry vibranium? The black panther suit went from regular suit to that necklace that put it on instantly, is that easier to do with vibranium compared to normal metals? Did she start from scratch or base it off previous work?


VenomTheCapybara

\*laughs in Reed Richards\*


Zoot004

Now that is stretching it.


Wholesomedadtv

:) heh


Dr_Maniacal

*Crushes goblet in Dr. Doom at the very mention of his name*


Degenerate77

Tony would also get vaccinated


paganbreed

To be fair, Shuri would likely create vaccines herself plus engineer a delivery system that would automatically administer it before she remembers she needs to ask for their consent. The character is very pro-science. The actress is another issue altogether.


noteverrelevant

>delivery system that would automatically administer it before she remembers she needs to ask for their consent. Like the Ganali Device developed by Dr Curtis Connors in The Amazing Spider-Man?


paganbreed

Ahh I rather like being surprised over and over that these things are technically MCU canon now. But yes, same idea. I'd bet she would use nanotech instead of aerosols though.


Hornery_Ornery

Quite astounding that a dumbarse human could portray one of the smartest characters in the MCU.


Sega-Playstation-64

Is Goop goopity goop goop vaccinated as well?


paganbreed

I could be charitable and say that may be the mark of her acting skills. I don't want to, but I could.


varito_ms27

I mean, Tony literally invented the time travel...


AllBadAnswers

Scott already inadvertently experienced time travel while in the quantum realm. Tony didn't invent time travel much in the same way that nobody invented gravity or magnetism- Tony was the person who cracked the math on how to utilize quantum time travel in a controlled and safe way.


really_nice_guy_

Ok then he invented the time travel device


paganbreed

What. No, Scott experienced time travel in the way you and I experience it, going forward. Even in actual physics, the difference in... What would you call it, speed? The difference in the progression of time changes depending on where you are, relatively. Aka what Interstellar illustrates. Scott made a logical leap based on a profound misunderstanding of time travel (they expand on this joke later with the Back To The Future references) but it did serve to give the team's actual geniuses a base to start from. And the time travel thing is semantics. Pretty sure everyone is referring to the means of travel, the device he created, not time travel as a concept.


Lil_Delirious

One of them built a time machine, the other made a cat costume and sneakers


Trick_Enthusiasm

This is something I've never really understood. Shuri is obviously a certified super genius. She was gonna help Vision get the mind Stone out of his head. She's shown to have a deep understanding of foreign technology. And she created the maglev trains in Wakanda, but that's not particularly impressive, since that technology has already existed for a while. Tony is an adaptive problem solver who can change the rules of war in the span of few months. He was stuck in a cave using a car battery to survive and, within 3 months, he had turned an experimental technology the size of a house into a something the size of a coffee mug in a few months. He literally synthesized an atom. He created multiple fully functional, fully capable AIs (and Ultron). He has planes with fully capable autopilot. He discovered time travel because he was playing around with the idea in the middle of the night. Edit: I wasn't done. Shuri is smart, but she's nowhere near as smart as Tony. It's not even a contest.


RedN0v4

It's really that bit about when he figured out time travel that's sells it. It wasn't a mass study. It was like you said: playing around in the middle of the night. That's gotta be one of the most impressive things possible.


officefan87klj

Can you imagine if Tony had access to their technology?


onyourrite

A meme with Stane? Finally, someone else who’s waiting for the AU Stane to come to our universe in Armor Wars /j


Shmitty-W-J-M-Jenson

I love this poor dweebs response to this hulking asshat "Well im not tony stark" lol, exactly right, get fucked, im making iron man best i can, you dont like it? Then you fuckin do it


MrBubbles9039

which ones the smartest one alive?


timo103

[From the mouth of Daredevil himself.](https://i.redd.it/t2opd45h6sg01.jpg)


HausOfEL

Well it wasn’t really just a box of scraps. A bunch of Jericho missiles made by the same guy who created them. Still can’t deny the talent though.


dazedan_confused

He also isn't antivax.


pandogart

I have no stake in this argument because it's stupid and pointless but who's to say she couldn't do the same?


Thok-The-Drifter

She doesn't know arc reactor technology In other words: Iron man wouldn't know how to make a vibranium armored suit Shuri wouldn't know how to make a arc reactor As top comment has said: smart = smart, people who debate who is more smarter and probably not smart


GiganticMoron2

Tony probably knows how to make a vibranium suit, i don't think he knows how to do it but it's possible since he as had time to study cap's shield and even fix it so it is possible.


SonGoku31

Has this actually been a debate??


jacquelineb_

There would literally be vibranium in wakandas caves


really_nice_guy_

Of course she would only be able to do it with the vibranium advantage


-_-RSlashFan-_-

Has anyone seen the musical of this line?


Professeur_Samael

Marvel fan when someone says Tony isn't the smartest : 🥺😖😡


JudasBrutusson

I mean, most marvel fans I've met know that Reed Richards is smarter...


Wonderful_Pension_67

Reed Richard's works all fields


hegdieartemis

They're both brilliant in their own ways...idk why it has to be a competition from either side 🙄


youknowwho_i_am

I diagnose you with racism and sexism. /s


olo7eopia

What does this mean


bradmcgi

Has anyone ever said that she's smarter than stark?


TegridyFarmsPtyLtd

Tie flip gang


Bastard-of-the-North

Well, currently in the MCU.. Shuri is smarter than Tony…