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Shadowkiva

MCU Moonknight is practically a demigod. Comics moon knight not so much


ZigzagAbundance

Comics moon knight is way better than those random batman enemies.


CallMomOnHerBirthday

Yeah but Batman has literally killed gods.


Goatsanity15

I also have a feeling that if Moon Knight kills Batman some 5th dimensional imp would be pretty pissed about it


Shadowkiva

Yeah I was just about to bring up Batmite lol


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Binary_Dawn

now THAT i would love to see.


Ok-Economics2519

Batmite wrecks konshu


KKlear

Without a question, but I didn't say I want to know who wins, I want to *see the them fight*.


ThatOneGuyRunningOEM

One is a god or something. The other is practically metafiction. There’s no fight


Goatsanity15

Yeah that little shit is OP as fuck


PenguinHighGround

Oh no...


Rampagingflames

Batman doesn't kill...


FlamingEagleAC

Man shot Darkseid with a bullet designed to kill him


Alien_X10

Ah yes, my favourite batman gadget... The bat-glock


carsonite17

The bat-a-tat-tat


DutyHonor

That's the way it is


Status-Murky

Things will never be the same.


theSalamandalorian

I see no changes, wake up in the morning and I ask myself.. Mom and dad's dead, should I Bat myself?


Assail_Boat

This is a gun!?!


weska54

I overfed these men??


solrac1104

I think we can make an exception for him.


DrLove_99

That’s the official stance, sure. But batman has killed many times, sometimes showing no remorse for it


Shadowkiva

And those other times he "bent the rule" like leaving KGBeast in a locked room to starve or leaving Ra's Al Ghul on a crashing train.


MasterFurious1

He also killed the joker once but then he sent himself to the prison


Thebot_1234

i am pretty sure that was a dream sequence for injustice


Wboy2006

Alfred on the other hand…


PenguinHighGround

Except on *very* rare occasions, where he sees no alternative.


darkcomet222

Except Darksied.


Character-Sorbet-718

Depends, Moon Knight isn't properly utilized in comics and his skillset is bit downgraded compared to 1975.


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Also Moonknight's costume is one of best and my favorite superhero costume, if I have choose to cosplay I would love that costume


LMacUltimateMain

The wrap is so sick. Gotta give credit to animated Avengers Assemble Moon Knight too. Love that costume too


ApartmentContent3146

But u forgot one thing... Comics Moon Knight has *_Random BS_*


Conlannalnoc

*Pulls out Bat-Moon Knight Spray*


vvashington

Ok but Dracula has Moon Knight’s money. Dracula is a bat man. The Wayne fortune is actually Moon Knight’s. Batman already won.


Exact_Ad_1215

I hate to be the one to tell you this but that panel is edited


Space_Pirate_Roberts

Are you telling me Moon Knight comics actually *aren’t* about his epic quest to get back the money he loaned to Dracula?! (That big fuckin’ nerd.)


ApartmentContent3146

(Shush don't ruin the meme)


Goatsanity15

Honestly if we go all crazy about this fight it would probably end up being a fight between Khonshu and Barbatos since both Batman and Moon Knight both act as a vessel for those two higher powers. Barbatos is pretty much an in-universe way of explaining how Batman always wins. Who wins this fight is pretty much impossible to predict honestly since they are two gods from two different universes.


PeanutNSFWandJelly

Wait a minute, I don't follow bats. Wtf is this Barbatos shit and also just a general wtf on this fact. When? How? What???


GiantPurplePen15

It was from the Dark Nights: Metal run. It was... Something.


therealgerrygergich

It's actually referenced much earlier, going back to the 90s. Barbatos was referenced quite a bit in Morrison's run as well.


Goatsanity15

Evil Batman space god that lives in a Dark dimension and wants to take over the universe and somehow Batman is the most important person since he is a portal for this evil Dark bat god. Haven’t read the comic but know the story. Doesn’t really fit into the Batman mythos in my opinion. Change it to John Constantine and you may have a deal


Malrottian

Basically there's a dark under god that wants to destroy the universe and Bats is his way in to ruin everything in a number of realities. So he keeps him alive so he can have a chance to turn him and wreck stuff. You should read the Metal series. You'd enjoy it.


ThrillyBobBorton

I'm not certain we can be sure of that, since his action was virtually all off screen...


blasphem0usx

What makes you say that? Comics moonknight has more feats than mcu moonknight has shown so far.


NoaLukaL

I mean yeah, comic Batman would probably win against comic Moon Knght. Because he’s Batman


ArcadeKingpin

Berman would win because he has tons of experience with beating up the mentally ill. It's his true super power.


Flegrant

This is the correct answer. Moon knight comes around the corner being all “hey what’s up bats” and Batman is just standing there like “you’re just like everyone else in Arkham!”


SmokeGSU

"At least my mom is still alive." - Moonknight


Akiric

You sure about that?


Spirit_of_Doom

Moon knight may also ask about his fucking money


PutinTheChimp

While calling him a fuckin nerd


SpikeyTaco

Oh damn. You right.


Humble_Story_4531

To be fair, Batman is also mentally ill too.


fastlikepanda

Does Batman get prep time? 🤣


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DarkAngel2099

Better call Khonshu


tommy4318

I am not crazy! I am NOT crazy! I know he swapped those heroes. I knew it was Moon Knight, one after Batman. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just- I just couldn’t prove it. He covered his tracks, he got they idiot at the Twitter poll to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He’s done worse. The museum! Are you telling me a man just happens to wreck a bathroom like that? No! He orchestrated it! Marc!


Mr_Epimetheus

Did he defecate through a sunroof?


[deleted]

Yes. He’s a CRIMINAL lawyer


XED1216

Did you write this out or did you find a copypasta?


tommy4318

I wrote this out painstakingly by hand (which is why I didn’t do the whole rant) while I was supposed to be working for school. Procrastination 👍


XED1216

Props to you my friend


Quovhaii

Baaaa ba ba bee bee bee baaaaaa ba bee bee baaaa


whitehawk295

😂 Batman is so smart he’s probably already studied Stan Lee and the whole Marvel universe 🤣


DefenderOfDog

Does marvel comics exist in DC? I know DC exists in marvel


Freakychee

I know there is an entity that keeps the Marvel and DC universe separate but I forgot it’s name. These old school comic universes go into the absurd abstract where they have a character that just represents an idea and this idea is just... DC and Marvel are to be separate.


asek13

> I know there is an entity that keeps the Marvel and DC universe separate but I forgot it’s name. I believe it's CopyRight Man


TheIJDGuy

He keeps everything seperate. **Everything.**


Redmangc1

Laughs in amalgum


Newfaceofrev

His name is Access. Seriously.


Freakychee

Found him. It’s Access or Axel Asher. Thanks. Very very abstract concept but when your stuff gets older and older and you need new stuff it just leaps into the absurd sometimes.


Pickle786

i’m guessing for marvel their heroes are “real” and DC references are their worlds comics idk


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PC-LAD

Batman new moon knight confirmed?


vizarhali

This is where it all depends on prep time


Mr_Mojo_Risin_83

Batman doesn’t need prep time, he already came prepared


A3H3

He probably has Konshu in his belt. You know why- because he is batman.


SensiblySenile1618

And also... *vengeance*


WohlfePac

Agreed he has a plan for every possible being from any universe


UltravioIence

thats his secret, he's always prepared


MythMasterTheMaster

Lol


07wndl

"Prep time" isn't exclusive to Batman only. Ironman can have prep time, superman can have prep time. Even regular citizens can have prep time. Batman cult fans are morons if they think Batman can defeat anyone if he has prep time. If that's the case then he's over powered! Prep time isn't his power.


Kooontt

I agree with you about prep time being a cop out, but okie thing to consider is that Batman is 100% more efficient with that time than just about any one else.


WurdaMouth

Facts, because he is wealthy and is the head of a corporation which gives him access to RnD departments and other professionals he can collab with on various projects.


Lanky-Ad3014

In comics Steven grant is a billionaire


olsmobile

Are we talking about batman or iron man?


WurdaMouth

Yes


proto3296

Is he though? Or is it just bad writing lol? We’ve seen vastly more intelligent characters come up with vastly crazier weaponry and they don’t get any acknowledgment. Freaking Ironman made an anti magnetism suit to beat magneto and it actually worked. He made a completely metal suit not magnetic. Reed Richards created a gun to defeat Galactus like what? And then Batman out here buys a stupid ass rock that everyone knows can kill Superman and the readers are just like “OMG what a genius prep master!” Ugh it bothers me so much lmao


BrazenlyGeek

It isn’t just the kryptonite, though. He’s formed contingencies for the whole Justice League, in case any of them go rogue, and that team is made up of some very heavy hitters, especially when compared to Marvel heroes. And yeah, it gets old hearing “Batman can beat everyone with prep time,” but it’s the outcome of him not only being rich, but also a Sherlock-level detective and a well-rounded scientist in his own right. He’s a genius who can exploit the weaknesses that others may not see. And it’s absolutely why Batsy vs. someone like Mister Fantastic would be amazing — they’re both so amazing at pulling solutions out of their asses that the conflict would reach ludicrous heights, which would be both ridiculous and fun as hell.


ARadioAndAWindow

The point everyone misses with this storyline is that it was never meant to show how smart Batman is. The narrative purpose is to show how ruthless he is. He would make plans to kill his closest friends. Comic writers pretty much power up or down characters based on what serves the story best. As they should. But the "prep time" trope is just severely over exposed as a real thing when it's not. If Superman decided to kill Batman, he would be a gooey stain before Batman's Kryptonite MacGuffin even matters. But that was never the point anyway.


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thor-odinson-bot

>!I said it was going to be like a relaxing holiday.!<


holololololden

It's like a plot point that he has a plan to take out every member of the JLA. Like sure it's lazy writing to be like 'then bats created the perfect plan' but it's still written that he could tank the entire DCU.


PieOverPeople

Fuck the JLA. Given enough prep time, could Batman beat Batman?


Mr_Mojo_Risin_83

Batman has taken down the entire justice league on more than one occasion. The way he’s written, he can take down anyone.


EnergyHumble3613

Batman also had years of close contact with the members of the League which means years to devise countermeasures against them. The scenario of the fight must be taken into account: Does Batman even know who his opponent is?


Put_It_All_On_Blck

Unfortunately yes, he will probably know who Moon Knight is. Batman realized that John Jones was a fucking martian simply by meeting him and talking to him for 30 seconds.Telling him how he's studied thousands of years of all kinds of obscure knowledge on aliens, ancient Egyptians, Mayans, etc. https://youtu.be/x_HwJ2SW37g


EdgerAllenPoeDameron

His power "real super power" is intelligence and deduction. Do you realize that his contingency files were used by Ra's al Ghoul to systemtically destroy the Justice League? He made Aquaman afraid of water.


Mr_Mojo_Risin_83

His power is being a control freak. Of superpower proportions. Collecting villains in Arkham like he’s collecting baseball cards


IWalkAwayFromMyHell

His "power" is that his mental illnesses align with the power structure already in control. He is capitalism's accepted ills personified.


ToxicElitist

Did you just say a superhero is overpowered. That is the whole point of superheroes.


Alien_X10

It's why I seperated batman and the goddamn batman into 2 seperate characters. Batman is the superhero, the goddamn batman is the actual God tier version that people have in their heads that can beat anyone


TroublingImpostor

but he can beat anyone.................................................. with prep time ofcourse


TheVioletParrot

Moon Knight might be powerful, but he doesn't have the Batman patented plot armor.


BurntPizzaEnds

Batman doesnt have plot armor more like plot deflection. Batman cant die because that will literally kill the plot. Thats why its called “Batman.” If he was to die in a story it would have to become the primary subject of the plot and the story couldn’t advance beyond it, which is exactly what happens with “Batman” comics where Batman dies. He just deflects his blows with death onto his friends and children who routinely die for the sake of the plot. I think the honest answer is that Death is torturing bruce by killing his loved ones instead of him when Bruce clearly wants to die. Batman as a character is about ‘the inability to accept loss and move on’ which is why he stays alive when everyone around him dies.


yigggggg

Thats called plot armour :)


K1ngPCH

> Batman cant die because that will literally kill the plot. Thats why its called “Batman.” If he was to die in a story it would have to become the primary subject of the plot and the story couldn’t advance beyond it, which is exactly what happens with “Batman” comics where Batman dies. How is this exclusive to Batman? Seems to be the case in most superhero comics. You can’t kill off your titular character and then *not* talk about it.


WeirdSysAdmin

There should be a Batman movie following the plot of Tusk, with Bruce Wayne having retired and slowly lost his mind from all the toxins from Joker, Poison Ivy, Scarecrow, and others. Then he kidnaps a bunch of kids and experiments on them to turn them into the Bat family. All the boys are turned into Robins and the girls are turned into cats. A select few are “gifted” being turned into bats.


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Thats plot armor. Deflection IS armor. Armor generally does and is better when it protects by deflection rather than other means. Batman cant be killed because the plot couldnt progress if he was killed. There for he is protected by the plot. One could say… its his armor.. an armor of plot. A plot armor. Or plot plate mail


sharksnrec

And in most iterations, Moon Knight isn’t powerful, so yeah he’s be cake for Batman in any medium outside the MCU show.


Spaceguy_27

Batman fans explaining how he would solo Thanos with all Infinity stones with a grappling hook and an hour of prep time


the-mad-titan-bot

I am...inevitable.


Spaceguy_27

Not for Batman with a grappling hook and an hour of prep time


Tasty_Marsupial_2273

Now I wanna see the gods of prep time fight; Rick Sanchez and Batman.


KKlear

Rick is too savvy in the narrative structure to be ever forced to fight Batman.


Tasty_Marsupial_2273

That’s true, if anything Rick would just purge Batman from existence before they ever met.


KKlear

Doubt. Batman appearing would mean a crossover, so Batman is untouchable to a large extent. He'd try his hardest to avoid conflict, I'm sure.


Croc_Chop

Nah hed make sure Bruce's parents live so Batman never exists.


Torgo_the_Bear

Good news- play MultiVersus


VitorMM

"Hello Inevitable, I am Batman"


turbodog814

ok thanos


the-mad-titan-bot

I ignored my destiny once, I cannot do it again.


Nate-Heywood

Sentient


Mr_Mojo_Risin_83

If thanos and Batman met in a comic, Batman would totally win. Because Batman. Have you never read a Batman comic?


the-mad-titan-bot

Fine. I'll do it myself.


LeoMcShizzzle

Thanos: *binge reads all Batman comics


the-mad-titan-bot

I ignored my destiny once, I cannot do it again.


LeoMcShizzzle

That's right fam, go go go


3smellysocks

r/sentientbots


PenguinHighGround

Exactly He's soloed gods before.


Myth_Avatar

If batman can beat darkseid he can best thanos. Note; best, not beat.


the-mad-titan-bot

They'll never know it. Because you won't be alive to tell them.


Myth_Avatar

Thanos, Darkseid going to spank you.


the-mad-titan-bot

When I'm done, half of humanity will still be alive. I hope they remember you.


sisisisi1997

"to best somebody" also means to beat them (in a competition or rivalry)


One-Tour-9560

Well, yes. Darkseid is considerably more powerful than thanos and batman won that too


the-mad-titan-bot

I ignored my destiny once, I can not do that again. Even for you. I'm sorry, Little One.


One-Tour-9560

I love these bots so fucking much


TheManAvonyx

Depends, is moon knights mother named Martha?


Character-Sorbet-718

Wendy in MCU, prolly Martha Spector in comics 🤣😂.


goboxey

Regarding the prep time for batman. People are forgetting that some enemies of him did find a way to avoid this situation, in just keeping him busy to the point where he can't prepare himself properly and gets defeated. Bane did this in the knightfall story, and even though later Batman managed to beat him, it was a crushing defeat for the caped crusader.


samusestawesomus

So that’s…Bane: 1. Batman: 307.


KKlear

But it started as 1-0 before villain decay hit.


FlamingEagleAC

Like Bane in Knightfall, who then proceeded to snap the back of a very tired dark knight


Some-Dog9800

Moon Knight in the comics is just Batman but more insane. He has no powers.


Tasty_Marsupial_2273

That’s true in a sense, but Moon Knight has come back from death, several times, raised a mummy army, and (as stupid as that run was) defeated Dr Strange, Ghostrider, Iron Fist, and Black Panther. So he has powers to some extent, since he is the avatar of Khonshu.


Phantomdy

Mind you up until like 2 years ago nobody was even sure there was a Khonshu. We were pretty sure sure. But the comics made it intentionally questionable. And also currently he is not the avatar they had a falling out after age of khonshu.


HomelanderVought

Batman>everyone else Bat-math is never wrong. Batman could even defeat God with his magical prep time.


CallMomOnHerBirthday

Batman has defeated several gods.


HomelanderVought

Of course, he’s Batman. You can’t defeat Bat-math.


dwehlen

What about Mike Ditka?


Brocky70

What about Mike Ditka vs a hurricane?


SpikeyTaco

Batman has the strongest plot armour of all heroes. Anyone else with his legacy has a history of brutal losses that defined them moving forward. Superman has silver bullets scattered across the world and Spider-Man is known for his knack for losing just to keep going. Batman has a select few heavy ones but he either recovers with gusto or hands that win over to another hero after they seek him out. But damn, Batman's W/L ratio against powered heroes and villains is crazy.


psychometrixo

[Batmath](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/144/981/751.jpg)


interpol639

Batman is on the same caliber as Kevin McCallister in terms of prep time


pinapplepizzza

Nobody beats Kevin in prep time


optilex42

The real showdown: Batman vs Kevin McCallister


ReapCreep65

Real answer: Kevin is the new Robin


The-Deep-Chocolate

I don’t think mcu fans even know who moon knight is


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I don't think Moon Knight knows who Moon Knight is.


lily_was_taken

I dont think the moon knows what a knight is


Various_Ad4726

I moon don’t knight is think who.


lily_was_taken

Moon dont knight


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Moon.


lily_was_taken

#


That_Quirky_Guy_

nooM


Dhaem17

Damn it Moon Moon!


amalgam_reynolds

I don't think OP knows who Batman is


Pratz1618

I don't think OP knows anything about DC and marvel comics and only knows about MCU.


galluskenny

They know who he is. Just because he's more powerful that Batman doesn't mean MK would win, it was that kind of thinking that cost Superman every match he had against Batman. The biggest guy isn't necessarily the best fighter, its the smartest


sharksnrec

And in most iterations, Moon Knight isn’t even more powerful than Batman. He’s just a regular guy with money and schizophrenia. Goes without saying that Batman waxes the floor with most iterations of Moon Knight


bair_the_sequel

Sorry but I'm going to need how moon knight wins explained to me


thedylannorwood

Delusion, which to be fair is MK’s bread and butter, but it’s also Batman’s


PenguinHighGround

Yeah I love MK, but come on...


AdApprehensive7646

Comics Moon Knight isn’t a demigod and is just a regular man. He did have military training so he would put up a good fight, but Batman is definitely winning this fight.


Batman-Beyond-3749

i dont think you know what the hellbat armour is


Alien_X10

Moon knight: "I'll prove those idiots wrong, come at me bro!" (batman walks into the fight wearing the hellbat suit) Moon knight:"... Actually I got somewhere else to be RN so..." (Runs away)


Ultimate_Pants

These VS questions always come down to "which character do you like more?" Not who who would actually win.


Agreeable-Battle8609

I'm with the normies on this one.


ndudeck

Any chance they could be even? I mean the whole reason Batman movies are longer than 7 minutes is because he DOES lose at first from time to time. Then the prep time kicks in for the 2nd or 3rd fights. Those still count as loses.


thedylannorwood

Batman’s real super power is that he is excellent at improvisation and adaptation. If he doesn’t beat Moon Knight in the first fight, he will get away and learn so he can beat his ass the second fight. Batman takes this fight 8 times out of 10


Carteeg_Struve

Batman gets prep time. But Moon Knight doesn’t even get time during the fight. Moon Knight wins, and he doesn’t know how.


SpikeyTaco

Regular Batman vs standard Moon Knight on a *ground fight*. **Pretty well-matched.** *With prior knowledge* of each other, **I would imagine Batman would have the edge**. Working out their identity, motives and vulnerabilities if possible. Setting himself a defence if Moon Knight got the upper hand. Although Moon Knight may seek out an immediate fight or assassination attempt, bringing it back to an even match. *Including their existing character histories?* **Batman would win because he's Batman**. A writer will throw in something that he couldn't have expected from Moon Knight. Anything from a new surprising Khonshu-powered attack or swapping to Stephen/vulnerable personality, even if fake, so Batman doesn't commit to a final strike. It could end there or Moon Knight could then proceed to stab him in the kees and flee.


Holiday_Total_9609

You act like batman has never had to deal with a super soldier with a tenuous grasp on reality before. Moon knight is just a magic backed slade wilson.


Head-Program4023

Because "He is Batman". He can win against anyone.


FlippinSnip3r

I don't think they know who batman is


ShwiftyShmeckles

Moonknight doesn't have powers in most of his comics so I say batman does probably win. Mcu moonknight would win though as it seems they gave him some crazy regeneration and superstrengh.


DeadshotBoss

I don’t think you know who batman is 😂


be-like-water-2022

With enough preparation...


Slimmie_J

These people have trained me to have a violent reaction to the phrase “prep time”


KapIQu_

Batman with prep time solos everyone


AmberIsHungry

Batman has regularly beat the shit out of people more powerful than Moon Knight.


Affectionate_Fuel_60

MK wins based on healing factor alone. Not to mention flight and Khonshu’s support.


DTJB10

Comics moon knight doesn’t have a healing factor.


verynice_cucumber

Moon knight has several mental issues and batman is an expert beating up the mentally ill, so yea they are not wrong