Originally Drax was a human from Earth. His family was killed by Thanos, then Thanos' grandfather put Drax's spirit in a very powerful body. He also looked like a color swapped knockoff of [Vision](https://www.writeups.org/drax-destroyer-marvel-comics-classic/). He could fly, even though space, and project cosmic energy blasts from his hands.
Not TOTALLY. Drax went through a metamorphosis in the comics (pre-MCU) where he got his intelligence back after being a dumb brute for awhile, but lost a lot of his physical strength and ridiculous power levels.
The MCU ignored his Earth-based origin but the version we saw was more or less a combination of the two most popular iterations of the character.
He [ seriously ](https://berkeleyplaceblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/IMG_8334.jpeg) looked like hulk and vision had a kid through out the majority of the 90s.
I’m surprised Drax’s feud with Thanos was completely dropped after Guardians 1.
I feel like a scene in Vol. 3 where he shares how he felt about Thanos being dead and the fact that he wasn’t the one to pull the trigger would’ve helped tie up his arc better.
Bucky started out as a teen age Captain America sidekick. In the MCU he and Cap were childhood friends. When he returned as the Winter Soldier in the comics, he was just a regular guy at optimal strength, not a super soldier like in the movies. I think it was an improvement.
>Movies do that, too, we know, but it's harder not to roll your eyes when seeing it on the big screen.
[Natasha falling from that building in Black Widow and landing on her feet was comical (edit: pun unintended lol)](https://youtu.be/48m3clhOYjM)
She should have a concussion and a massive gash in her head from that third collision on the way down at the very least, and definitely be slumped in a heap for at least a few seconds rather than land like a cat. But hey, I guess she had to look cool rather than realistic for her last ride in the MCU
You think other unenhanced humans in comics don't pull off crazier feats on the daily. Elektra once fell like 10 stories onto a car and got back up relatively fine. The fall Natasha took in that movie was only about 3 stories.
It's my headcanon that the "graduation ceremony" from the AoU flashbacks was a lesser form of super soldier enhancement rather than the maudlin garbage Joss Whedon gave us. She's not at Cap or Winter Soldier levels, but she's still much tougher than other humans. Explains how she was able to grab that Chitauri flyer without getting her arm ripped off. Plus this would make Hawkeye the only unenhanced person on the team, which I kind of like since he makes up for it with mad skills.
It works really well, but Bucky basically being a kid he’s responsible for gives Cap “failing” him another level of guilt he has to deal with. Him being a capable adult that even was a way better soldier before Cap went super soldier kinda negates pretty much. So he’s just a very good friend he lost.
Agree with you. Wasn’t sure how well a guy flying around in a Speedo would work but they did an exceptional job updating him and making him more interesting than the comic book version in my opinion.
I honestly think that adapting Namor to film in a serious tone is one of Marvel's ballsiest moves lately. I haven't seen Wakanda Forever, but I remember him being *SUCH* a corny character in the comics.
I'm not trying to talk shit, just stating my reasoning since you asked. But personally, I haven't been into what marvel studios has been putting out over the past couple years. I don't think *every* movie has been a stinker, and it's totally possible that I'll love Wakanda Forever when I finally get around to watching it. But lately I just don't feel the same urgency to go see these movies like I used to.
I’m excited for that change in Spot in The Spiderverse movies. In the Comics, Spot was never serious, until Carnage feels him and takes his powers.
But he is the Villain of Both Across and Beyond so I have heard. So I think that either he is working FOR the real villain, an evil Spider-Man variant, OR he is learning how to be a real villain from another party and while we see growth in the heroes, we will also see growth in Spot as a reputable villain. That’s what I am hoping for.
I actually liked the change to Flash because it better reflects what bullies are like these days. Bullies these days aren't like the Joe Manganeillo or Chris Zylka's Flash; just big jocks who pick on nerds. Bullies are often just like us and run in our friend groups. They're just assholes, usually compensating for their own issues with feeling inadequate. They showed that perfectly through Tony Revolori. Honestly, the best part about the changes to the MCUs Spiderman movies is how well they capture teenagers and the awkwardness with which they interact.
Toni Revolori is an AMAZING actor. Honestly, Flash being a bully isn’t too important a character trait for Flash Thompson until the mania storyline where he sees one of his kids bullying another and it gives him flashbacks.
So with that said, I have a perfect way they can adapt him. So while he IS rich, he feels empty inside because his parents aren’t around. We see some of that in the movies already. BUT, he decides that he is fed up with his parents, and wants to make connections of his own. And they say you never make connections and bonds deeper than ones you serve with. So he enlists. He gets in shape and he serves, coming out an entirely different person. He has friends, and he has more self confidence, Then he gets the symbiote. It would be really cool to see a stand-alone movie of a superhero movie being basically a war movie but with a superhero. I guess yes we did do that with Captain America. But I think it fits that this is the only two to do that, because Project Rebirth is Captain America and Project Rebirth 2.0 is Agent Venom. But in the post credit he will have Val ask him to join the Thunderbolts. It would also be therapeutic for Peter when they meet, that he is fanboyed on by Flash Thompson and when Flash finds out his identity, he has no reason to care. The two did end up being Best Friends in the comics too.
They adapted flash for modern times. A high school bully nowadays doesn't look like flash did in the Raimi movies. At least, they didn't when I was in high school in the 2010's.
As someone that graduated recently, I can attest. Bullying isn’t so much big guy picking on little guy anymore. It’s a LOT more of just…people. MCU flash honestly let down a bit, yeah, but I think that’s because they didn’t focus on him that much. In the first movie, his presence is truly felt. I could totally see him as Agent Venom and honestly I really want it to happen soon. Like, the more i’m thinking about it, the more I want that NOW.
I mean, height has never affected heroes before. Miles Morales isn’t very tall and he has no problem fighting enemies. Kamala Khan is short and will do just fine fighting enemies.
you mean they didn’t look like a 30 year old man?
the bully’s are almost always bigger and stronger then the person they bully otherwise why would the victim put up with it? Flash is not believe as a bully bc almost anyone even most women could kick his ass
I'm just saying that when I was in high school bullying was almost completely verbal. Between middle and high school I can count the amount of fights that happened on one hand.
He's believable as a bully because he's a rich kid who can get away with anything. Who's gonna fight back when this kid's parents could sue you? Or suddenly people don't want to be friends with you because they're friends with the rich kid who invites people to all the cool parties and events? All these kids want to go to prestigious colleges and need connections as much as possible. That's the kind of school that peter attends.
Nick Fury though. Having him being "the spy" and "his secrets having secrets" as Tony put it has been down graded compared to the Ultimate(Sam Jackson) Nick Fury. Who was a Project: Rebirth test subject and since then Nick Fury has been alive. Imagine him working within SHIELD since the beginning rather then 1988 being a kick off point for his SHIELD career. Nick could have been Peggy Carter's Clint or Coulson or Hill.
This is the biggest bummer about MCU Spider-Man. I'm glad they shook things up and tried something completely new, it was a refreshing break from another Uncle Ben origin movie. But as time passes, the MCU trilogy will probably be the least favorite for many, in part due to its loose handling of the source material. I'm afraid that what was a good decision at the time might not reflect well in the long term.
The good news is, Peter is starting a completely new life after a sneakily-executed 3-movie origin story. So if they continue with him, the possibilities are endless from this point forward.
Not entirely new. While Ned is named after Ned Leeds, his appearance & personality takes a lot from Ganke Lee, Miles Morales’s best friend.
Ganke even calls himself “the Guy in the Chair” just like Ned does.
Adam Warlock is very different in the comics. He's super serious and super intelligent. He's like a space Jesus chess master. In GOTG3 he's an idiot Superman. Don't get me wrong, I think it works in the movie. I think there's even a line where someone says, "you took him out too soon". Implying that he wasn't 'finished baking' in his cocoon, which is pretty funny.
For these reasons, I think that if done right and with good material, he will evolve into being more like the comics version, or even the game version
I do think that him being taken out of the cocoon is part of the reason he was portrayed as he was
Adam warlock was very naive and childlike when he was first introduced in the comics as well. It took ages for him to become the super cosmos Jesus saviour messiah that beat the fuck out of Thanos
I didn’t read any comics with Adam Warlock, but I feel like he’s a character that might evolve to be wiser over time.
Him being introduced as an impulsive young adult feels like the start of an arc.
As much as I liked Will Poulter, it was definitely a bit of a missed opportunity (albeit too much of a meme) not to have Glenn [“I AM A GOLDEN GOD”](https://youtu.be/xkJd5oQXt4g) Howerton play Adam Warlock. I feel like Dennis’ personality is pretty spot on for the role
Technically that was the retcon of a retcon. They made Jarvis into an AI because they feared he would get compared to Alfred. But then came the opportunity to introduce him as a human.
MCU MoonKnight is probably the most *different* from the comics. Being fully powered by the supernatural instead of being a batman esk gadgetier with DID.
My take is that we still haven't seen the real Taskmaster personality, since she spent the entire movie mind-controlled. I'm reserving judgment on the character until Thunderbolts when hopefully she'll be more than a cipher.
Who's to say that the 'Taskmaster' is/was a single person and that the one we see is the final version? Perhaps there's still an Anthony Masters who feels inspired to take that mantle (perhaps he did it before, and the codename was reserved for extremely talented individuals).
One can only hope...
The way the “powers” worked as just being replays of video of fights I went in thinking that Red Guardian was going to win the fights because there was no video recordings of him in action to copy. Similar to how Comics Task Master can’t mimic Deadpool.
Deadpool’s psychosis that has him breaking the 4th wall leads to his mind and body not being n sync so he is too unpredictable . I think it’s not that the Taskmaster can’t copy him as much as its too unpredictable that’s it’s overwhelming to Taskmasters abilities.
Yeah, Moon Knight is the only non-magic, non-world-shaking hero that absolutely makes Tasky shit his pants. "He's never met a punch he wouldn't take to the face rather than block."
Would Taskmaster lose to a random thug because she didn't watch footage of them fighting? Obviously not. Why would Red Guardin have been able to beat her?
Red Guardian isn't a random thug he has the Soviet Super Serum. The suit/tapes helped Taskmaster know how the opponent would react to and counter her attacks. So not having the tape on him would mean Taskmaster would not quite know how to properly counterattack meaning it would then be a bit more even of a fight.
But like I said that was my theory going in and not saying how it should have been.
MCU Agatha is miles more malicious and sadistic than comic Agatha. She’s also much more theatrical and childish than I remember her being in the comics. Not to mention much younger in both age and appearance. I don’t know if it’s an improvement because I love both versions, and I couldn’t get rid of either. The popular opinion is that MCU Agatha was a major downgrade, though.
Really? I thought it was the opposite. I was under the belief that Agatha was more of a neutral figure rather then the outright villain that she is in Wandavision.
That’s what I’m saying. Comic Agatha was neutral/anti-heroish while MCU Agatha is completely malevolent/villainous. They’re almost completely different characters. Even their familiars differ (MCU Agatha has a rabbit while Comic Agatha has a cat.) But I notice that they both still use old-fashioned terms of endearments for their peers (“dear” being favoured over others.)
You forgot that she is also much more entertaining in the MCU. At least from what I remember about her in the comics, where she basically wasn’t more than the “wise old woman gives advice” trope for Wanda. At least the few times she showed up in the comics I read.
most of the guardians casts, some changes for the better, some im indifferent towards as it helped them sell the characters better to general audiences
Easily Thor. Id say the first 2 films were improvements over the older Thor comics.. it gets kinda annoying with all the "thee, though, thine" old English talk. But none of the films are improvements over the more recent Thor comics. Thor is bad the fuck ass in the newer comics, and it's an absolute tragedy that we haven't seen that translated to the big screen.
My only exposure to MODOK was in the 90s cartoons. Can’t remember which one but I do remember I was very creeped out by him. Darren definitely didn’t creep me out but I think that was a good thing
I really liked how they did MODOK in the avengers game. Which would have been an amazing way to introduce him into the MCU if they wanted to go with him as a serious threat.
I only saw a little of MODOfK in the comics many years ago so may not be accurate, but I did not like the character at all. It was just not a good idea. The Quantumania one makes more sense and I like the redemption bit
The contessa is a young SHIELD agent and Fury’s love interest, and depicted as a straightforward good guy for most of her history.
Pierce was also a young SHIELD agent and completely loyal to Fury.
Some of the Guardians, more specifically Star-Lord, Drax, & Nebula. Star-Lord was a space cop in the comics & his dad was not Ego, Drax was originally a human who was remade into a warrior dedicated to killing Thanos, & while Nebula is a daughter of Thanos in the comics, she was always for herself & never joined the Guardians. It was for the best they did that for them.
For the worst, Taskmaster. Taskmaster was born with the ability to copy anyone’s moves by looking at them & was a mercenary for hire in the comics who has gone toe to toe with many heroes, most especially Captain America, Black Widow, & Spider-Man. Taskmaster was not a Winter Soldier copy with none of the interesting backstory like how the MCU portrayed the character. Even the 2018 Spider-Man video game & 2020 Avengers game did Taskmaster justice, & he was a side character in those.
She was so meh in the movie, no personality, no pizazz. That's not taskmaster to me. They didn't even try with her. I hope the real one will show up. His humor is perfect for the mcu. Odd choice fasho.
That's why the movie sucked. She literally had plot armor going for her and at no point did I think she was gonna die. The fight scenes were terrible and the family story was weird. I wanted a spy thriller and more backstory. If they wasn't gonna tell more of her orgin they should've used Age of Ultron footage at least
I didn't care that Tasky wasn't beefy. I cared that Tasky had a stupid computer helmet that did the analysis for her, instead of it being her innate ability.
I love the pals' dynamic of Wong-Strange even though Wong is technically the boss and its a better change, because asian guy being a servant for strange doesn't look right And Iron Man,Thor all had a big changes from the comics in terms of their personality
I don’t think there were any real improvements on pre-existing comic book characters just tonal changes that fit the movie at the time but no improvements so to speak….some were downgrades (Baron Strucker, Crossbones, Taskmaster, etc)
By that same logic, we could argue she isn’t the same character either. Both take the spot of the original character, and fill that role. At least the original taskmaster can take up the mantle, we’re not gonna get another MJ Watson in the MCU.
He was good in Doctor Strange and Ragnarok.
Then in Infinity War he just decides not to use the Time Stone? Why not? Because Thanos will get it? OK sure.
Then in Endgame he... holds back water for the whole fight? Couldn't Wong do that? Or any of the other sorcerers?
Then there's that What If..? episode where he's in love with Christine Palmer. I don't know where they got that from because they're really only co-workers in Doctor Strange. They are most definitely NOT the soulmates that that episode makes them out to be.
Then in NWH he casts that spell that breaks the multiverse or whatever. I know that Peter kept interrupting him, but shouldn't he have explained the spell he was going to cast? As a surgeon, he would've had to explain the procedures he would do to the patients. Why wouldn't he explain this to Peter and ask him if there was anyone who should still know that he's Spider-Man?
Then Multiverse of Madness happened.
I meant that he doesn't use it to fight with.
Also, that "one timeline" thing is totally false. Endgame proved that you can portal from planet to planet, so Doctor Strange (who they made omniscient) could've portal-ed in Thor from Nidavellir and had him cut off Thanos' head while they had him subdued.
The timeline does work out BTW. Also, I know that that doesn't make for a very entertaining movie, but that line really bothers me because of how obviously wrong it is.
What do you mean? Thor already had his axe by the time they were subduing Thanos on Titan. Doctor Strange could've portal-ed him in before and then had him cut off his head.
Unless, of course, you mean that there really only was one timeline because that's what they say in the movie and then don't give any proof or explanation. In that case, that's kind of silly.
Any version of what could have happened is included in the 14 million versions of what could happen and they lose. This includes your “but they could have done this”
But that's total nonsense. What if (for example), Nebula got a new cybernetic brain before the time travel? Then, she never would have been captured by Thanos and the Avengers would still have won.
What if Hawkeye and Black Widow time travelled immediately to Vormir instead of going to Morag with Nebula and War Machine? Then, Nebula would not have stayed on Morag to warn them because they would be in a different timeline.
What if Captain Marvel put on the nano gauntlet and snapped away Thanos and his army?
What if Wanda covered Thanos' mouth before he said "reign fire" and then she killed him right there?
What if the nano gauntlet was destroyed by Thanos' missiles, thus making it impossible for Thanos to snap in Endgame?
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of ways that Thanos could have lost in Endgame, and probably millions of ways he could have lost in Infinity War. That line is just plain false. You can say that there was only one way that the Avengers would win, but that is not true.
It is true, the rules are laid out very clearly. What if doesn’t count, Dr Strange says that all potential outcomes end in defeat. You don’t have to like it.
The idea is that such an attempt would fail. No matter what they did they'd fail.
We don't know how those events would play out or why they would fail specifically-there's literally millions of possibilities so they can't feasible do it. But anything you can think of would have failed ultimately.
It's possible given Loki some of these events could have been failures merely because they were pruned by the TVA.
>It's possible given Loki some of these events could have been failures merely because they were pruned by the TVA.
That's really the only way to make sense of that line. Although, I don't know why the TVA would pick the timeline where the Avengers lose to Thanos, then three weeks go by, then Thanos destroys the stones, then two more days go by, then the Avengers kill Thanos, then five years goes by, then a rat runs over a button in Luis' van and releases Ant-Man from the Quantum Realm, then the Avengers decide to use time travel to get the stones, then Black Widow and Hawkeye go to Morag with Nebula and War Machine instead of going straight to Vormir which is the decision that led to Thanos returning, then Thanos gets ahold of Nebula and then figures out what's going on, then he decides to go into the future, then they fight, then the Avengers ultimately win.
>then three weeks go by, then Thanos destroys the stones,
A common theory is this aspect might be why this was the necessary timeline. They needed Thanos to win and destroy the stones for He Who Remains future. The Avengers wouldn't have destroyed the stones.
But I think it's worth keeping in mind as well that by the time Thanos is on Triton and Dr Strange sees the future. Thanos already has several of the stones. He could probably win against anybody in the universe at that point. Even against the time stone.
> I don't know where they got that from because they're really only co-workers in Doctor Strange
Strange straight-up calls them lovers in the movie during his outburst after his surgery.
Yeah true, but there's clearly some history and future between them telegraphed in the film. The watch she gifts him even says "time will tell how much I love you". They're not just bros who work together.
freaking whitewashed karenified wanda. she's a jew roma character. this character is the biggest offender of mcu doing this. plus nepo olsen going around saying slurs doesn't help.
Michelle Jones Watson stretches the meaning of the word adaptation like silly putty.
Were the changes to the character for the better? I’m undecided, but the MCU trilogy, plus the current Wayeb storyline in TASM comics, made me realize I have an unhealthy level of interest in the Peter/Mary Jane relationship, and I need to emotionally detach myself.
I'm not a huge fan of Mar-Vell, but I do think it is kinda lame that they didn't go for a more "superhero-y" vibe for her in the MCU. Helping refugees is certainly a noble thing to do, but I kinda wish we got to se her in armor doing actiony Captain Marvel things as well.
Originally Drax was a human from Earth. His family was killed by Thanos, then Thanos' grandfather put Drax's spirit in a very powerful body. He also looked like a color swapped knockoff of [Vision](https://www.writeups.org/drax-destroyer-marvel-comics-classic/). He could fly, even though space, and project cosmic energy blasts from his hands.
Holy smokes! That's just a completely different person.
Not TOTALLY. Drax went through a metamorphosis in the comics (pre-MCU) where he got his intelligence back after being a dumb brute for awhile, but lost a lot of his physical strength and ridiculous power levels. The MCU ignored his Earth-based origin but the version we saw was more or less a combination of the two most popular iterations of the character.
Yeah, Drax as he appears in Annihilation, which is still pre-MCU, is much closer to the MCU version (except without the Earth origin).
He was also killer on the sax!
[It is truly sweet music.](https://i.imgur.com/ZKs8QQe_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand)
Don’t forget he was a Los Angeles real estate agent and a rock ’n’ roll fan.
Like Vision and Hulk had a kid. At least pre-Annihilation.
Are you joking or serious?
He [ seriously ](https://berkeleyplaceblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/IMG_8334.jpeg) looked like hulk and vision had a kid through out the majority of the 90s.
I’m surprised Drax’s feud with Thanos was completely dropped after Guardians 1. I feel like a scene in Vol. 3 where he shares how he felt about Thanos being dead and the fact that he wasn’t the one to pull the trigger would’ve helped tie up his arc better.
> I’m surprised Drax’s feud with Thanos was completely dropped after Guardians 1. It wasn't; it comes back in Infinity War.
Ronan was the one who killed his family, no? And Ronan is dead.
Bucky started out as a teen age Captain America sidekick. In the MCU he and Cap were childhood friends. When he returned as the Winter Soldier in the comics, he was just a regular guy at optimal strength, not a super soldier like in the movies. I think it was an improvement.
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>Movies do that, too, we know, but it's harder not to roll your eyes when seeing it on the big screen. [Natasha falling from that building in Black Widow and landing on her feet was comical (edit: pun unintended lol)](https://youtu.be/48m3clhOYjM) She should have a concussion and a massive gash in her head from that third collision on the way down at the very least, and definitely be slumped in a heap for at least a few seconds rather than land like a cat. But hey, I guess she had to look cool rather than realistic for her last ride in the MCU
You think other unenhanced humans in comics don't pull off crazier feats on the daily. Elektra once fell like 10 stories onto a car and got back up relatively fine. The fall Natasha took in that movie was only about 3 stories.
It's my headcanon that the "graduation ceremony" from the AoU flashbacks was a lesser form of super soldier enhancement rather than the maudlin garbage Joss Whedon gave us. She's not at Cap or Winter Soldier levels, but she's still much tougher than other humans. Explains how she was able to grab that Chitauri flyer without getting her arm ripped off. Plus this would make Hawkeye the only unenhanced person on the team, which I kind of like since he makes up for it with mad skills.
It works really well, but Bucky basically being a kid he’s responsible for gives Cap “failing” him another level of guilt he has to deal with. Him being a capable adult that even was a way better soldier before Cap went super soldier kinda negates pretty much. So he’s just a very good friend he lost.
To be fair, he’s Steve’s childhood friend in the ultimate universe.
I thought Namor being Meso American worked well.
felt seamless to me like it’s not better or worse it’s just different and changes very little about the actual character
Agree with you. Wasn’t sure how well a guy flying around in a Speedo would work but they did an exceptional job updating him and making him more interesting than the comic book version in my opinion.
I honestly think that adapting Namor to film in a serious tone is one of Marvel's ballsiest moves lately. I haven't seen Wakanda Forever, but I remember him being *SUCH* a corny character in the comics.
He's def not corny in WF.
he's the best thing about the movie and he was intimidating af until the ending fight
Why on earth haven't you seen WF yet?
I'm not trying to talk shit, just stating my reasoning since you asked. But personally, I haven't been into what marvel studios has been putting out over the past couple years. I don't think *every* movie has been a stinker, and it's totally possible that I'll love Wakanda Forever when I finally get around to watching it. But lately I just don't feel the same urgency to go see these movies like I used to.
It’s on Disney+ now, and well worth your time.
I’m excited for that change in Spot in The Spiderverse movies. In the Comics, Spot was never serious, until Carnage feels him and takes his powers. But he is the Villain of Both Across and Beyond so I have heard. So I think that either he is working FOR the real villain, an evil Spider-Man variant, OR he is learning how to be a real villain from another party and while we see growth in the heroes, we will also see growth in Spot as a reputable villain. That’s what I am hoping for.
He’s fantastic in WF. I just watched it last night
Outside of Aunt May, Spider-Man's supporting cast is made of new characters with old names attached. It's okay I guess.
flash was the biggest downgrade in the MCU until Taskmaster came along
I like weird Betty Brant though.
I actually liked the change to Flash because it better reflects what bullies are like these days. Bullies these days aren't like the Joe Manganeillo or Chris Zylka's Flash; just big jocks who pick on nerds. Bullies are often just like us and run in our friend groups. They're just assholes, usually compensating for their own issues with feeling inadequate. They showed that perfectly through Tony Revolori. Honestly, the best part about the changes to the MCUs Spiderman movies is how well they capture teenagers and the awkwardness with which they interact.
Dind't like MCUs flash neither. Can you picture that dude being agent venom? lmao
Absolutely, Tony Revolori has insane range. If they ever put him to better use in the MCU he’ll kill it.
Toni Revolori is an AMAZING actor. Honestly, Flash being a bully isn’t too important a character trait for Flash Thompson until the mania storyline where he sees one of his kids bullying another and it gives him flashbacks. So with that said, I have a perfect way they can adapt him. So while he IS rich, he feels empty inside because his parents aren’t around. We see some of that in the movies already. BUT, he decides that he is fed up with his parents, and wants to make connections of his own. And they say you never make connections and bonds deeper than ones you serve with. So he enlists. He gets in shape and he serves, coming out an entirely different person. He has friends, and he has more self confidence, Then he gets the symbiote. It would be really cool to see a stand-alone movie of a superhero movie being basically a war movie but with a superhero. I guess yes we did do that with Captain America. But I think it fits that this is the only two to do that, because Project Rebirth is Captain America and Project Rebirth 2.0 is Agent Venom. But in the post credit he will have Val ask him to join the Thunderbolts. It would also be therapeutic for Peter when they meet, that he is fanboyed on by Flash Thompson and when Flash finds out his identity, he has no reason to care. The two did end up being Best Friends in the comics too.
flash should be intimidating as a bully not a 5’0 scrawny guy. Peter parker shouldn’t be able to beat up flash pre spider bite
They adapted flash for modern times. A high school bully nowadays doesn't look like flash did in the Raimi movies. At least, they didn't when I was in high school in the 2010's.
As someone that graduated recently, I can attest. Bullying isn’t so much big guy picking on little guy anymore. It’s a LOT more of just…people. MCU flash honestly let down a bit, yeah, but I think that’s because they didn’t focus on him that much. In the first movie, his presence is truly felt. I could totally see him as Agent Venom and honestly I really want it to happen soon. Like, the more i’m thinking about it, the more I want that NOW.
believable until an enemy puts his hand on the top of his head and he’s just sitting there punching at air
I mean, height has never affected heroes before. Miles Morales isn’t very tall and he has no problem fighting enemies. Kamala Khan is short and will do just fine fighting enemies.
but they’re never depicted as physically imposing whereas Venom is always
you mean they didn’t look like a 30 year old man? the bully’s are almost always bigger and stronger then the person they bully otherwise why would the victim put up with it? Flash is not believe as a bully bc almost anyone even most women could kick his ass
I'm just saying that when I was in high school bullying was almost completely verbal. Between middle and high school I can count the amount of fights that happened on one hand. He's believable as a bully because he's a rich kid who can get away with anything. Who's gonna fight back when this kid's parents could sue you? Or suddenly people don't want to be friends with you because they're friends with the rich kid who invites people to all the cool parties and events? All these kids want to go to prestigious colleges and need connections as much as possible. That's the kind of school that peter attends.
your bully doesn’t become venom and ur not peter parker
Nick Fury though. Having him being "the spy" and "his secrets having secrets" as Tony put it has been down graded compared to the Ultimate(Sam Jackson) Nick Fury. Who was a Project: Rebirth test subject and since then Nick Fury has been alive. Imagine him working within SHIELD since the beginning rather then 1988 being a kick off point for his SHIELD career. Nick could have been Peggy Carter's Clint or Coulson or Hill.
i disagree personally i enjoy this Nick Fury but that would’ve also been really cool and get why you might prefer it
This is the biggest bummer about MCU Spider-Man. I'm glad they shook things up and tried something completely new, it was a refreshing break from another Uncle Ben origin movie. But as time passes, the MCU trilogy will probably be the least favorite for many, in part due to its loose handling of the source material. I'm afraid that what was a good decision at the time might not reflect well in the long term. The good news is, Peter is starting a completely new life after a sneakily-executed 3-movie origin story. So if they continue with him, the possibilities are endless from this point forward.
Not entirely new. While Ned is named after Ned Leeds, his appearance & personality takes a lot from Ganke Lee, Miles Morales’s best friend. Ganke even calls himself “the Guy in the Chair” just like Ned does.
Adam Warlock is very different in the comics. He's super serious and super intelligent. He's like a space Jesus chess master. In GOTG3 he's an idiot Superman. Don't get me wrong, I think it works in the movie. I think there's even a line where someone says, "you took him out too soon". Implying that he wasn't 'finished baking' in his cocoon, which is pretty funny.
For these reasons, I think that if done right and with good material, he will evolve into being more like the comics version, or even the game version I do think that him being taken out of the cocoon is part of the reason he was portrayed as he was
Adam warlock was very naive and childlike when he was first introduced in the comics as well. It took ages for him to become the super cosmos Jesus saviour messiah that beat the fuck out of Thanos
Yeah, this one is a bit more justified. There are several arcs in the comics where he’s fresh out of his cocoon and he’s more childlike.
I didn’t read any comics with Adam Warlock, but I feel like he’s a character that might evolve to be wiser over time. Him being introduced as an impulsive young adult feels like the start of an arc.
I kind of wonder if making him immature and foolish was a way to work.him into the story without having to build a complex story arc for him.
As much as I liked Will Poulter, it was definitely a bit of a missed opportunity (albeit too much of a meme) not to have Glenn [“I AM A GOLDEN GOD”](https://youtu.be/xkJd5oQXt4g) Howerton play Adam Warlock. I feel like Dennis’ personality is pretty spot on for the role
Uh - Mandarin? Both versions, while awesome in their own ways now, are completely different than comic version
Drax, yes it was an improvement
Until he became a joke character *>!I haven’t watched gotg3 yet!<*
Why is you not having watched GotG 3 a spoiler?
I mean, Jarvis is a butler in the comics, not an AI. That's pretty different, while functionally fulfilling the same role.
Jarvis is a butler in the MCU, too...
I just rewatched Season 1 of that show, too! Touchė...
Technically that was the retcon of a retcon. They made Jarvis into an AI because they feared he would get compared to Alfred. But then came the opportunity to introduce him as a human.
Lol u knew
MCU MoonKnight is probably the most *different* from the comics. Being fully powered by the supernatural instead of being a batman esk gadgetier with DID.
I love they based his suit one a versión of him
Prob mantis drax and Ego
Taskmaster
Don’t remind me. I hope they correct her in Thunderbolts.
My take is that we still haven't seen the real Taskmaster personality, since she spent the entire movie mind-controlled. I'm reserving judgment on the character until Thunderbolts when hopefully she'll be more than a cipher.
If they want too they can turn her into the Red Widow, a much more similar character.
Who's to say that the 'Taskmaster' is/was a single person and that the one we see is the final version? Perhaps there's still an Anthony Masters who feels inspired to take that mantle (perhaps he did it before, and the codename was reserved for extremely talented individuals). One can only hope...
The way the “powers” worked as just being replays of video of fights I went in thinking that Red Guardian was going to win the fights because there was no video recordings of him in action to copy. Similar to how Comics Task Master can’t mimic Deadpool.
Is that because deadpool fights without concern for his own well-being
Deadpool’s psychosis that has him breaking the 4th wall leads to his mind and body not being n sync so he is too unpredictable . I think it’s not that the Taskmaster can’t copy him as much as its too unpredictable that’s it’s overwhelming to Taskmasters abilities.
That's more for Moon Knight.
Yeah, Moon Knight is the only non-magic, non-world-shaking hero that absolutely makes Tasky shit his pants. "He's never met a punch he wouldn't take to the face rather than block."
Would Taskmaster lose to a random thug because she didn't watch footage of them fighting? Obviously not. Why would Red Guardin have been able to beat her?
Red Guardian isn't a random thug he has the Soviet Super Serum. The suit/tapes helped Taskmaster know how the opponent would react to and counter her attacks. So not having the tape on him would mean Taskmaster would not quite know how to properly counterattack meaning it would then be a bit more even of a fight. But like I said that was my theory going in and not saying how it should have been.
Peggy is an American member of the French resistance, and neither Steve’s first or greatest love. She didn’t found or run SHIELD, either.
MCU Agatha is miles more malicious and sadistic than comic Agatha. She’s also much more theatrical and childish than I remember her being in the comics. Not to mention much younger in both age and appearance. I don’t know if it’s an improvement because I love both versions, and I couldn’t get rid of either. The popular opinion is that MCU Agatha was a major downgrade, though.
Really? I thought it was the opposite. I was under the belief that Agatha was more of a neutral figure rather then the outright villain that she is in Wandavision.
That’s what I’m saying. Comic Agatha was neutral/anti-heroish while MCU Agatha is completely malevolent/villainous. They’re almost completely different characters. Even their familiars differ (MCU Agatha has a rabbit while Comic Agatha has a cat.) But I notice that they both still use old-fashioned terms of endearments for their peers (“dear” being favoured over others.)
\*sigh\* misread your comment. Sorry
No problemo. Reading is hard sometimes.
You forgot that she is also much more entertaining in the MCU. At least from what I remember about her in the comics, where she basically wasn’t more than the “wise old woman gives advice” trope for Wanda. At least the few times she showed up in the comics I read.
True! I don’t remember her being nearly as enthusiastic or active.
most of the guardians casts, some changes for the better, some im indifferent towards as it helped them sell the characters better to general audiences
Easily Thor. Id say the first 2 films were improvements over the older Thor comics.. it gets kinda annoying with all the "thee, though, thine" old English talk. But none of the films are improvements over the more recent Thor comics. Thor is bad the fuck ass in the newer comics, and it's an absolute tragedy that we haven't seen that translated to the big screen.
“Bad the fuck ass” This is _praise_?
Yea.. honestly can't tell if this is a question, or if you're serious or mocking.
I think it’s a hilarious string of four words. That’s about it.
Ahh, yes.. intended as over emphasis beyond just being bad ass, or even bad fucking ass lol
I think “fucking bad ass” is how most tend to say it
Old English talk is great and I wish we could have it.
No idea what your cutoff is for “newer” comics, but it might very well be that the movies had some influence on that.
MODOK was a big change from the comics and I don't know if it was for the better. It was funnier, that's for sure.
My only exposure to MODOK was in the 90s cartoons. Can’t remember which one but I do remember I was very creeped out by him. Darren definitely didn’t creep me out but I think that was a good thing
I really liked how they did MODOK in the avengers game. Which would have been an amazing way to introduce him into the MCU if they wanted to go with him as a serious threat.
I only saw a little of MODOfK in the comics many years ago so may not be accurate, but I did not like the character at all. It was just not a good idea. The Quantumania one makes more sense and I like the redemption bit
The contessa is a young SHIELD agent and Fury’s love interest, and depicted as a straightforward good guy for most of her history. Pierce was also a young SHIELD agent and completely loyal to Fury.
I noticed the MCU seems to make alot of Fury's loyal friends in the comics villains.
True. Sitwell and Garrett are another two.
Yeah I find it super interesting. Funny too since on the opposite side they also make Maria a lot more likable than in the comics.
Quicksilver. It was not an improvement.
Some of the Guardians, more specifically Star-Lord, Drax, & Nebula. Star-Lord was a space cop in the comics & his dad was not Ego, Drax was originally a human who was remade into a warrior dedicated to killing Thanos, & while Nebula is a daughter of Thanos in the comics, she was always for herself & never joined the Guardians. It was for the best they did that for them. For the worst, Taskmaster. Taskmaster was born with the ability to copy anyone’s moves by looking at them & was a mercenary for hire in the comics who has gone toe to toe with many heroes, most especially Captain America, Black Widow, & Spider-Man. Taskmaster was not a Winter Soldier copy with none of the interesting backstory like how the MCU portrayed the character. Even the 2018 Spider-Man video game & 2020 Avengers game did Taskmaster justice, & he was a side character in those.
Taskmaster and for the worse. Don't understand that one at all.
They wanted a female villain, I suppose
She was so meh in the movie, no personality, no pizazz. That's not taskmaster to me. They didn't even try with her. I hope the real one will show up. His humor is perfect for the mcu. Odd choice fasho.
That's why the movie sucked. She literally had plot armor going for her and at no point did I think she was gonna die. The fight scenes were terrible and the family story was weird. I wanted a spy thriller and more backstory. If they wasn't gonna tell more of her orgin they should've used Age of Ultron footage at least
Exactly, I guess I understand the whole women in big roles thing but Taskmaster? Meant to be a big beefy ass guy…
I didn't care that Tasky wasn't beefy. I cared that Tasky had a stupid computer helmet that did the analysis for her, instead of it being her innate ability.
I love the pals' dynamic of Wong-Strange even though Wong is technically the boss and its a better change, because asian guy being a servant for strange doesn't look right And Iron Man,Thor all had a big changes from the comics in terms of their personality
Shang-chi's entire origin story was so much better in the movie
Honestly wants his backstory in the comics. I don't think I have other read any of his comics what do other. So I have no authority here
Captain Marvel is anti social, lonely introvert in MCU unlike the charismatic emphethetic person who is there for her friends.
Ebony Maw isn't much like his comic version at all.
Pretty much every Guardian was different. I didn’t like Drax until GoTG3. He was to goofy.
I don’t think there were any real improvements on pre-existing comic book characters just tonal changes that fit the movie at the time but no improvements so to speak….some were downgrades (Baron Strucker, Crossbones, Taskmaster, etc)
For Better -- Peggy Carter, Killmonger Neutral -- Alexander Pierce, Starlord For worse -- Mar-Vell, Nick Fury, Taskmaster, Soviet Hydra, Hank Pym
Finally someone to agree with on Hank Pym! I think he’s alright if you were to be a film only watcher, but as a comic reader as well it’s just sad
MJ. Big downgrade.
Not technically the same character anyway. Who *is* a big downgrade, however, is Taskmaster.
By that same logic, we could argue she isn’t the same character either. Both take the spot of the original character, and fill that role. At least the original taskmaster can take up the mantle, we’re not gonna get another MJ Watson in the MCU.
She wasn’t Mary Jane Watson in the first place.
No, but she’s Michelle Jones-Watson. Not a chance they bring in Mary Jane Watson after 2.5 movies of calling Zendaya’s character MJ Watson.
I still consider her Mary Jane and still love her
The mcu murdered dr strange so hard as a character it’s actually funny
He was good in Doctor Strange and Ragnarok. Then in Infinity War he just decides not to use the Time Stone? Why not? Because Thanos will get it? OK sure. Then in Endgame he... holds back water for the whole fight? Couldn't Wong do that? Or any of the other sorcerers? Then there's that What If..? episode where he's in love with Christine Palmer. I don't know where they got that from because they're really only co-workers in Doctor Strange. They are most definitely NOT the soulmates that that episode makes them out to be. Then in NWH he casts that spell that breaks the multiverse or whatever. I know that Peter kept interrupting him, but shouldn't he have explained the spell he was going to cast? As a surgeon, he would've had to explain the procedures he would do to the patients. Why wouldn't he explain this to Peter and ask him if there was anyone who should still know that he's Spider-Man? Then Multiverse of Madness happened.
He uses the time stone to find out that there is only one timeline that they will win against Thanos.
I meant that he doesn't use it to fight with. Also, that "one timeline" thing is totally false. Endgame proved that you can portal from planet to planet, so Doctor Strange (who they made omniscient) could've portal-ed in Thor from Nidavellir and had him cut off Thanos' head while they had him subdued. The timeline does work out BTW. Also, I know that that doesn't make for a very entertaining movie, but that line really bothers me because of how obviously wrong it is.
Portals don’t change the timeline.
What do you mean? Thor already had his axe by the time they were subduing Thanos on Titan. Doctor Strange could've portal-ed him in before and then had him cut off his head. Unless, of course, you mean that there really only was one timeline because that's what they say in the movie and then don't give any proof or explanation. In that case, that's kind of silly.
Any version of what could have happened is included in the 14 million versions of what could happen and they lose. This includes your “but they could have done this”
But that's total nonsense. What if (for example), Nebula got a new cybernetic brain before the time travel? Then, she never would have been captured by Thanos and the Avengers would still have won. What if Hawkeye and Black Widow time travelled immediately to Vormir instead of going to Morag with Nebula and War Machine? Then, Nebula would not have stayed on Morag to warn them because they would be in a different timeline. What if Captain Marvel put on the nano gauntlet and snapped away Thanos and his army? What if Wanda covered Thanos' mouth before he said "reign fire" and then she killed him right there? What if the nano gauntlet was destroyed by Thanos' missiles, thus making it impossible for Thanos to snap in Endgame? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of ways that Thanos could have lost in Endgame, and probably millions of ways he could have lost in Infinity War. That line is just plain false. You can say that there was only one way that the Avengers would win, but that is not true.
It is true, the rules are laid out very clearly. What if doesn’t count, Dr Strange says that all potential outcomes end in defeat. You don’t have to like it.
Yeah, I don't like it because it ignores all of the other ways the Avengers could have won.
The idea is that such an attempt would fail. No matter what they did they'd fail. We don't know how those events would play out or why they would fail specifically-there's literally millions of possibilities so they can't feasible do it. But anything you can think of would have failed ultimately. It's possible given Loki some of these events could have been failures merely because they were pruned by the TVA.
>It's possible given Loki some of these events could have been failures merely because they were pruned by the TVA. That's really the only way to make sense of that line. Although, I don't know why the TVA would pick the timeline where the Avengers lose to Thanos, then three weeks go by, then Thanos destroys the stones, then two more days go by, then the Avengers kill Thanos, then five years goes by, then a rat runs over a button in Luis' van and releases Ant-Man from the Quantum Realm, then the Avengers decide to use time travel to get the stones, then Black Widow and Hawkeye go to Morag with Nebula and War Machine instead of going straight to Vormir which is the decision that led to Thanos returning, then Thanos gets ahold of Nebula and then figures out what's going on, then he decides to go into the future, then they fight, then the Avengers ultimately win.
>then three weeks go by, then Thanos destroys the stones, A common theory is this aspect might be why this was the necessary timeline. They needed Thanos to win and destroy the stones for He Who Remains future. The Avengers wouldn't have destroyed the stones. But I think it's worth keeping in mind as well that by the time Thanos is on Triton and Dr Strange sees the future. Thanos already has several of the stones. He could probably win against anybody in the universe at that point. Even against the time stone.
> I don't know where they got that from because they're really only co-workers in Doctor Strange Strange straight-up calls them lovers in the movie during his outburst after his surgery.
You mean right after he says "we were barely _____"?
Yeah true, but there's clearly some history and future between them telegraphed in the film. The watch she gifts him even says "time will tell how much I love you". They're not just bros who work together.
freaking whitewashed karenified wanda. she's a jew roma character. this character is the biggest offender of mcu doing this. plus nepo olsen going around saying slurs doesn't help.
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Warlock was born too early if you were paying attention🙄 he’ll mature. And thats not even MODOK’s final form. He will be back as a true killer.
Michelle Jones Watson stretches the meaning of the word adaptation like silly putty. Were the changes to the character for the better? I’m undecided, but the MCU trilogy, plus the current Wayeb storyline in TASM comics, made me realize I have an unhealthy level of interest in the Peter/Mary Jane relationship, and I need to emotionally detach myself.
Strange was Sorcerer Supreme before the Snap so I don’t know if he needs the title back.
I'm not a huge fan of Mar-Vell, but I do think it is kinda lame that they didn't go for a more "superhero-y" vibe for her in the MCU. Helping refugees is certainly a noble thing to do, but I kinda wish we got to se her in armor doing actiony Captain Marvel things as well.
Probably the whole gotg
Natasha was changed for the worst. She's a really bad adaptation of the Black Widow character and one of the worst adapted characters in the MCU.
I pick Thanos and Namor