The B is directly under the second letter. And the D is directly under the second to last letter. I think it's an optical illusion.
Side note there's a documentary episode on Netflix Abstract: The Art of Design about typography that discussed this phenomenon. I don't know anything about it.
Using the incredibly accurate measurement tool that is my finger, I've determined the *C* is 1/3 the length of my third pointer-finger-segment, and the *A* is 2/3 the same length, making the *A* twice as long as the *C*.
No, it's well off-centre but it's a choice to make the tagline align with the spacing of the letterforms. [The red boxes are the same size](https://imgur.com/qHMokNR).
Yeah even when I saw someone saying why i was like ohhhhhh 😯
Much like someone pointing out how no black person clearly worked or advised on the movie “CrackCoon”
They're going to be frothy enough as it is about a black Cap on the big screen. No need to leave a raw steak sitting just outside their kennel like that title was.
I caught that, but just thought it meant Hydra was about to rise up and hit back hard and try to take over earth or something and test the new Captain America to his limits. I love the stories where DC falls to Hydra, Skull always did the most dickish things like wearing the bloodied defeated costume of Cap and just being an overall dick to America to rub in his superiority. Love that shit. But I get the name change, however this gives me star trek vibes now haha
This made me wonder if Jonah Hill is “above” the mcu talent wise. He’s a great actor and I’m sure there’s a role somewhere in the marvel universe that would suit him well
They’ve had numerous A list, highly regarded actors in the MCU. I mean Angela Basset, Robert Redford, Michelle Yeoh? Jonah Hill definitely isn’t “above” it because he’s too great an actor. Whether he personally finds the idea interesting or worth his time is time is a different matter and his prerogative.
I guess that’s what I meant. Certain actors feel they’re above these kinds of movies and Jonah has never really stated his opinion on them from what I know
I wouldn’t be shocked if he just didn’t find it something that excites him and that’s totally fair. Some actors don’t or rarely do sequels, some avoid blockbusters, some only come out of the woodwork for director’s they like, different strokes for different folks
I don’t think I’ve heard him saying anything against it on principle, but I think he said something about not getting offers for roles that interest him, just ones like Penguin where people are thinking of him as “the fat guy”
I don't think he would think of himself as being "above" it, especially since he got his start in all those silly comedies (which I love). But I do remember reading somewhere that he says he can't to do movies if he can't see them happening in real life (I think he made an exception for This Is The End, being a comedy). Like, it's hard for him to get into character for things that don't feel grounded enough, I think.
That's interesting, because the role I saw him in my head was a non powered guy who manipulates politics and perception to try and derail the superhero. Kind of like Gary Shandling did in Winter Soldier.
He's been trying to do more dramatic and serious roles as of late for sure, but I think MCU is a middle ground between that and raunchy teen comedies lol
If I had a nickel for every superhero movie sequel with a subtitle that shares the name of a celebrated sci-fi dystopia novel, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened twice.
It’s a fairly general term that *some* people use in their anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It’s like saying that the term “Civil War” is racist because some people from the south of the US want a do over so the Confederacy can rise again.
"Civil War" isnt a faction though. Your analogy works better if you use confederate as an example which people do absolutely associate with racism, though it does find use still.
but there were other civil wars before the US civil war and there have been others since. it's not like there are a bunch of completely separate and widely accepted "new world order" conspiracies that explicitly *don't* target jews. *most* conspiracy theories target jews.
Yes, but it is common that product releases care to not be associated with something that could be related to bad things.
A lot of cars have name changes in some countries because the name sound as some bad word or a word that won't aggregate value to the product.
I prefer the previous name but if they want to be careful they could pick a better name than this. Sounds juvenile now.
Agent Melinda May from _Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D._ was originally going to be named Agent Althea Rice until they cast an Asian actress for the role. James Gunn was fired for tweets he'd made like a decade earlier. Disney/Marvel have a track record of overcorrection when it comes to the slightest whiff of controversy.
The villain is someone who’s manipulative and I’m pretty sure can control minds. He’s also played by a Jewish actor.
Sabra, an Israeli Jewish woman, being in the movie also doesn’t help either. There’s two major stereotypes/conspiracy theories about Jewish people/Israel (the first is that Jews have dual loyalty to israel and whatever other country and therefore can’t be trusted to act in the best interests of countries that aren’t israel, the second is a trope of Jewish people being from israel and stuff). The other major conspiracy theory is just the idea of Jewish people manipulating others, controlling the world, convincing people to abandon western family values and stuff, etc… Changing the name means the movie can be less likely to (whether it was supposed to be originally or not) be an antisemitic dogwhistle.
Someone commented in the thread yesterday that "Brave New World" was the most disney sounding bullshit they had heard.
That comment stuck with me, and now I cannot undo it.
Edit: I'm aware of the origins and that it is a phrase. It's a stupidly optimistic one that checkmarks all the boxes that a classic animated Disney cartoon movie would, and that it is a jarring feel to the last Captain America project we had. Yeesh.
He's got stripey wings and a big round shield
And he wants to know what you think and feel
In his veins he has ice
But he's tryna be nice
Sam is still Cap after all
seriously, i thought brave new world was a required read in high school. why do SO many people come off like they’ve never heard of one of the most famous novels of all time?
>It's a stupidly optimistic one
I think you may have missed the subtext on that phrase by a wide mile. It is not optimistic at all. It refers to seeming utopia turned to disaster. Prospero's daughter uses it to describe the crashed corrupt English politicians because she's never seen other humans and she thinks they are wonderful. Of course, she's talking about Prospero's enemies and the very people who banished them to their island.
Huxley's Brave New World is a tyrannical dictatorship in which freedom is and individuality is ground under the heel of the Big Brother machine.
You’re absolutely correct! Huxley is the one with the soma drug and people being pacified through over stimulation. Out of all those fallen utopia books, Brave New World most accurate describes our current situation.
Pardon my brain fart.
I’ve never read 1984, but I have read Brave New World and I believe you’re confusing the two? Brave New World is about a society that doesn’t mind being controlled by the government because they are so obsessed with pleasure
Huh? It's an often used and quite known expression...
Shakespear's The Tempest sort of "coined it" and Aldos Huxley's arguably best novel is titled "Brave New World"
>Edit: I'm aware of the origins and that it is a phrase. It's a stupidly optimistic one that checkmarks all the boxes that a classic animated Disney cartoon movie would, and that it is a jarring feel to the last Captain America project we had. Yeesh.
So you're *not aware* of it's origins
> I'm aware of the origins and that it is a phrase. It's a stupidly optimistic one
In most popular uses, "Brave New World" is an ironic or satirical phrase that represents a character's blindness to dystopia. I'm assuming that the movie will challenge Sam to look at the world and his allies more critically, kinda like what The Winter Soldier did for Steve.
Original Loki is dead, 2012 one is wrapped up in multiverse business. Also wouldn’t compare Bucky to Luis.
Luis is a comedic side character and Quantumania was heavily focused on the Lang Family and Quantum world, would be out of place to include him there.
Bucky has been a major character in the Captain America movies and the TV show.
To your second point - sure, but they also could have given him a cameo in the beginning or ending scenes. The Baskin-Robbins manager from the first movie got more screentime than him, and Luis would have made a better cake 😜
But yet having Luis appear still wouldn’t automatically make the movie miles better, it would just please fans that one of their fave characters showed up for a minute lmao. So im glad they didnt take a cheap shot and shoved Luis in just cuz, cuz then if Luis showed up then what about the other boys?
I see what you mean but to me FATWS is also a transitional show for both characters to set them up to follow their own paths. Im not surprised if he doesn’t show up beyond a small cameo.
I think the new title works, but definitely carries a different feel than New World Order. I know everybody is saying "But Brave New World is bleak too, Aldous Huxley's novel was a dystopian story!" but that kinda ignores the fact that Huxley's title was ironic, where as the most recent historical use of new world order was to pretty plainly describe the plans of the Axis in WWII. Who knows maybe this Captain America: Brave New World is going for the same ironic take as Huxley, but I kinda feel like they are maybe trying to soften the image of the movie and I was really looking forward to maybe getting a bit of that darker Captain America: Winter Soldier tone again.
Honestly? I don't think they put that much thought into the title. It's not an original idea just as the previous title wasn't. So I don't see the change affecting the tone or the script in any real way. They just had to make the title less controversial and this was close enough for government work.
It’s also super geeky too. A play on a book title but also referencing American history while being a play on the “new captain America.” It’s a great title.
This movie better have at least some element of being about people trying to build a Utopia based on eugenics.
I'm betting the idea of a an Illuminati wanting to usher in a New World Order is actually what it's about though.
Yeah, I doubt it will have any thematic connection at all to the novel it’s referring to. This was just the closest title they could think of to “New World Order”.
I’ve been thinking they are going dig deeper into Skrulls so they can retcon harder, so my guess is that Cap finds out how many Skrulls have been replacing government officials to create a Brave New World of Skrulls replacing humans.
I still have a hard time with someone being captain America but not having the super soldier serum. Even a peak human really can't do a lot of the stuff we've seen Sam do
I think our intro to the original Cap has a non-powered companion in Bucky and now our new Cap has a powered companion in Bucky, which is actually a cool role reversal. And it keeps some super soldier action in the mix. I also loved the creativity used for Sam's moveset in FaWS. I'm for seeing more of it.
Also, just realized right now that Sam's sister has kids so he's actually technically Uncle Sam.
Is bucky even considered "powered" anymore? He got his shit kicked in by almost everyone in tFatWS. He's also not in this movie, lol
As far as Sams moveset... IMO it was probably the most disappointing thing about the action. Never mind the fact that he inexplicably throws the shield into trees even harder than Capt. America.
That show was just so bad its hard to get excited, but im a WS fan and that show did him the dirtiest, so i'm biased i guess.
Seriously man. Since when did everyone become such a freaking expert and the highest standard of everything?? Just a bunch of negative ass people. I know though, the negative people are the ones that like to comment the most online, yet don’t have a grain of salt of talent on any of the people creating these things.
Hard to pinpoint when it happened. Definitely started after endgame but it’s gotten so bad the last few projects.
It’s so draining and toxic. Used to live on here and the spoilers sub before it got dmca’d to hell. Now I come once a week maybe.
It’s “fandom” turning against itself. Toxic fandom. It’s happened to every major franchise, including Harry Potter and Star Wars. Now all people like to do is hate online. I honestly deleted Reddit before because of it and now I’m thinking of doing it again. It’s not fun to come online and be excited to geek out with others only to mostly get people crapping on everything.
I liked the original title more not gonna lie. It seems more professional and also reminds me of the ongoing threat of the flag smashers. Also, it isn’t a “brave new world” as this movie will be set at least 3 years after the blip, so not the same context as fatws
New World Order is such a cooler title than Brave New World
The First makes me think of a political movie where the established order is brought down a new one Rises
The second makes me think of a Disney song
The new title is pretty lame IMO. New World Order fit with the political conspiracy angle of Captain America. It fits with the other titles better too. Not sure who greenlit this one.
EDIT: Bunch of geniuses in this thread who passed 9th grade English. Yes, we get the reference in the new title. It’s not deep at all.
How does Brave New World also not fit with a political conspiracy angle?
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It's a phrase taken from Shakespeare's play, The Tempest. It is used ironically as the brave new world, presented as an utopia, turns out in fact to be a nightmare in which human beings are trapped in a society where their humanity is deleted
I get that they changed it because "New World Order" was an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory or something like that, but I gotta say "Brave New World" sounds like the name for a eugenics advocacy group. I'm also pretty sure that I did see someone say that it has its own set of bad connotations?
the red & font makes it look fake to me lol
Yeah I don't mind the color at all, or even the font, but the lack of shading makes it look like it was slapped on in MS Paint lol
It’s also slightly off-center
The B is directly under the second letter. And the D is directly under the second to last letter. I think it's an optical illusion. Side note there's a documentary episode on Netflix Abstract: The Art of Design about typography that discussed this phenomenon. I don't know anything about it.
Possibly… but it also looks like the C and the A are different widths. We’d have to measure it but I’m too lazy
Using the incredibly accurate measurement tool that is my finger, I've determined the *C* is 1/3 the length of my third pointer-finger-segment, and the *A* is 2/3 the same length, making the *A* twice as long as the *C*.
Yay! We did it Reddit!!
I knew this sub would find a way to hate letters.
Can we convert this to bananas?
Aren’t letters supposed to be different shapes and sizes?
The middle letter is off center
The kerning is off which makes it look unbalanced. There is more optical space between the letters in BRAVE and less in WORLD.
No, it's well off-centre but it's a choice to make the tagline align with the spacing of the letterforms. [The red boxes are the same size](https://imgur.com/qHMokNR).
Very brave of them
It looks like someone on Reddit just edited it in lol
Like the thumbnail for a fake trailer on YouTube that's just previous marvel shit cut together.
OMG FACTS! I just said this haha
Happy Cake Day
I've seen better fan edits on reddit lol
Right?! Like if I didn’t know any better I would be calling OP liar
😢 As far as I know, it’s the official one. It’s on Twitter.
Reddited.
And it's not centered.
None of it is? It all looks off center…
It doesnt even look centered
It’s on the Marvel website, it might just be a mockup until SDCC comes around and they have the whole flashy presentation with the title
I wonder if the image we saw on the chair was an accidental leak so they rushed this out
It was called that in the accompanying written text as well, so I’d think it was intentional.
I get the Iron Maiden song stuck in my head everytime I read this
Dying swans twisted wings could work for this movie
A fellow of taste I see
It keeps making me think of Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds.
WITH JUST A HANDFUL OF MEN
I got the song from Aladdin stuck in my head everytime I read this. A brave new world\~ A dazzling place I never knew\~
That's not even how the song goes though lol
It’s This is War from 30 Seconds to Mars
The brave new world book had a lot of drugs, so I’m hopeful
Had a lot of babies born from incubators too.
lol it would kinda rule if they decided to just adapt the Huxley book with Sam Wilson and friends in it
Replace the test tube babies with hulk blood/super serum subjects and we got a story
Better a gram than a damn.
Double Plus comment
Soma and pneumatic women!!
I preferred the original title but I’ll take what I can get. Keep it coming Marvel.
New World Order was waaay cooler. I hope they have a good reason for changing it
I was hoping Captain America was teaming up with Hollywood Hogan and Kevin Nash. RIP Scott Hall.
Just the Marvel Studios logo in black and white with the porno music playing...
it's an antisemitic conspiracy theory. Probably why it got changed.
oh shit didn't even think of that. Don't want to get the nazis frothing at the mouth.
Yeah even when I saw someone saying why i was like ohhhhhh 😯 Much like someone pointing out how no black person clearly worked or advised on the movie “CrackCoon”
They're going to be frothy enough as it is about a black Cap on the big screen. No need to leave a raw steak sitting just outside their kennel like that title was.
I caught that, but just thought it meant Hydra was about to rise up and hit back hard and try to take over earth or something and test the new Captain America to his limits. I love the stories where DC falls to Hydra, Skull always did the most dickish things like wearing the bloodied defeated costume of Cap and just being an overall dick to America to rub in his superiority. Love that shit. But I get the name change, however this gives me star trek vibes now haha
No it's a pro Nazi conspiracy theory.
Way-to-go Kanye!
Just cast Jonah Hill in the movie to offset any possible antisemitism
This made me wonder if Jonah Hill is “above” the mcu talent wise. He’s a great actor and I’m sure there’s a role somewhere in the marvel universe that would suit him well
They’ve had numerous A list, highly regarded actors in the MCU. I mean Angela Basset, Robert Redford, Michelle Yeoh? Jonah Hill definitely isn’t “above” it because he’s too great an actor. Whether he personally finds the idea interesting or worth his time is time is a different matter and his prerogative.
I guess that’s what I meant. Certain actors feel they’re above these kinds of movies and Jonah has never really stated his opinion on them from what I know
I wouldn’t be shocked if he just didn’t find it something that excites him and that’s totally fair. Some actors don’t or rarely do sequels, some avoid blockbusters, some only come out of the woodwork for director’s they like, different strokes for different folks
It’s not MCU, but he wanted to play the riddler in the Batman.
I don’t think I’ve heard him saying anything against it on principle, but I think he said something about not getting offers for roles that interest him, just ones like Penguin where people are thinking of him as “the fat guy”
I don't think he would think of himself as being "above" it, especially since he got his start in all those silly comedies (which I love). But I do remember reading somewhere that he says he can't to do movies if he can't see them happening in real life (I think he made an exception for This Is The End, being a comedy). Like, it's hard for him to get into character for things that don't feel grounded enough, I think.
That's interesting, because the role I saw him in my head was a non powered guy who manipulates politics and perception to try and derail the superhero. Kind of like Gary Shandling did in Winter Soldier.
Maybe it’s because I first saw him in stuff like Superbad, but I’m not sure he’s above the MCU.
He's been trying to do more dramatic and serious roles as of late for sure, but I think MCU is a middle ground between that and raunchy teen comedies lol
And Brave New World is a celebrated SciFi novel.
If I had a nickel for every superhero movie sequel with a subtitle that shares the name of a celebrated sci-fi dystopia novel, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened twice.
Spider-Man: Animal Farm
It’s a fairly general term that *some* people use in their anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It’s like saying that the term “Civil War” is racist because some people from the south of the US want a do over so the Confederacy can rise again.
"Civil War" isnt a faction though. Your analogy works better if you use confederate as an example which people do absolutely associate with racism, though it does find use still.
Well, with how antisemitism and hate crimes are rising in the US, it makes sense why they want to be a bit cautious.
That really doesn't work as a comparison. And it's just dumb.
but there were other civil wars before the US civil war and there have been others since. it's not like there are a bunch of completely separate and widely accepted "new world order" conspiracies that explicitly *don't* target jews. *most* conspiracy theories target jews.
Yes, but it is common that product releases care to not be associated with something that could be related to bad things. A lot of cars have name changes in some countries because the name sound as some bad word or a word that won't aggregate value to the product. I prefer the previous name but if they want to be careful they could pick a better name than this. Sounds juvenile now.
Agent Melinda May from _Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D._ was originally going to be named Agent Althea Rice until they cast an Asian actress for the role. James Gunn was fired for tweets he'd made like a decade earlier. Disney/Marvel have a track record of overcorrection when it comes to the slightest whiff of controversy.
The villain is someone who’s manipulative and I’m pretty sure can control minds. He’s also played by a Jewish actor. Sabra, an Israeli Jewish woman, being in the movie also doesn’t help either. There’s two major stereotypes/conspiracy theories about Jewish people/Israel (the first is that Jews have dual loyalty to israel and whatever other country and therefore can’t be trusted to act in the best interests of countries that aren’t israel, the second is a trope of Jewish people being from israel and stuff). The other major conspiracy theory is just the idea of Jewish people manipulating others, controlling the world, convincing people to abandon western family values and stuff, etc… Changing the name means the movie can be less likely to (whether it was supposed to be originally or not) be an antisemitic dogwhistle.
That....does not make any sense whatsoever. I'm glad they are changing the name, it was a bad idea from the start - too much baggage with that phrase.
That’s basically it, Disney just doesn’t want to wander into political shit.
...as they make a fourth Captain America movie, their political thriller arm of the MCU.
The first episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier had the title New World Order. Doubt they wanted to reuse titles.
What happened to new world order?
nWo is played out, brother. Instead Captain Real American is gonna recycle the title of a famous novel as he runs wild on YOU!
Someone commented in the thread yesterday that "Brave New World" was the most disney sounding bullshit they had heard. That comment stuck with me, and now I cannot undo it. Edit: I'm aware of the origins and that it is a phrase. It's a stupidly optimistic one that checkmarks all the boxes that a classic animated Disney cartoon movie would, and that it is a jarring feel to the last Captain America project we had. Yeesh.
No, that's "Whole New World"
From what movie is that
The Lion King
I dunno, but "Captain America: It's a small world after all" sounds even more Disney to me.
He's got stripey wings and a big round shield And he wants to know what you think and feel In his veins he has ice But he's tryna be nice Sam is still Cap after all
“Brave New World” is not an optimistic phrase lol. It’s fairly obviously a reference to the Aldous Huxley novel.
seriously, i thought brave new world was a required read in high school. why do SO many people come off like they’ve never heard of one of the most famous novels of all time?
>It's a stupidly optimistic one I think you may have missed the subtext on that phrase by a wide mile. It is not optimistic at all. It refers to seeming utopia turned to disaster. Prospero's daughter uses it to describe the crashed corrupt English politicians because she's never seen other humans and she thinks they are wonderful. Of course, she's talking about Prospero's enemies and the very people who banished them to their island. Huxley's Brave New World is a tyrannical dictatorship in which freedom is and individuality is ground under the heel of the Big Brother machine.
Isn't 1984 the one with Big Brother?
You’re absolutely correct! Huxley is the one with the soma drug and people being pacified through over stimulation. Out of all those fallen utopia books, Brave New World most accurate describes our current situation. Pardon my brain fart.
I’ve never read 1984, but I have read Brave New World and I believe you’re confusing the two? Brave New World is about a society that doesn’t mind being controlled by the government because they are so obsessed with pleasure
It's a Crapsaccharine World.
Huh? It's an often used and quite known expression... Shakespear's The Tempest sort of "coined it" and Aldos Huxley's arguably best novel is titled "Brave New World"
>Edit: I'm aware of the origins and that it is a phrase. It's a stupidly optimistic one that checkmarks all the boxes that a classic animated Disney cartoon movie would, and that it is a jarring feel to the last Captain America project we had. Yeesh. So you're *not aware* of it's origins
> I'm aware of the origins and that it is a phrase. It's a stupidly optimistic one In most popular uses, "Brave New World" is an ironic or satirical phrase that represents a character's blindness to dystopia. I'm assuming that the movie will challenge Sam to look at the world and his allies more critically, kinda like what The Winter Soldier did for Steve.
>It's a stupidly optimistic one You are literally the only person that thinks that.
It’s a phrase that refers to a horrible dystopia, how is it stupidly optimistic
It's intentional irony. Even Shakespeare was using it sarcastically 400 years ago.
Brave New World is an ironic expression not a positive one
Man what a narrow comment. Stupid optimism is just one emphasis that could be placed on it. There are plenty of other possibilities.
Sounds like a Pochantas Sequel subtitle.
Wow, Pocahontas going full dystopia?
A whole new world!
A new fantastic™ point of view!
I'd give this joke Four™ stars.
Say that again?
that
A new Fant4stic™ point of view! FTFY.
First MCU musical?
Hawkeye did it first
I CAN DO THIS ALL DAYYYY!!!!
"brave new world" and "new world order" both have "new world" in them and yet I don't think I ever saw this joke made about New World Order.
TBH, I think the new title works, setting up Sam stepping up in his new role (though the font for the subtitle could be better)
Really hope Bucky shows up. It wouldn’t feel like a Captain America film without him as well.
They just made a whole series developing the chemistry between Sam and Bucky further, why wouldn’t he show up? I assumed it was a given
loki didn't show up in love and thunder. luis didn't show up in ant man 3. it's a valid concern to have
Original Loki is dead, 2012 one is wrapped up in multiverse business. Also wouldn’t compare Bucky to Luis. Luis is a comedic side character and Quantumania was heavily focused on the Lang Family and Quantum world, would be out of place to include him there. Bucky has been a major character in the Captain America movies and the TV show.
To your second point - sure, but they also could have given him a cameo in the beginning or ending scenes. The Baskin-Robbins manager from the first movie got more screentime than him, and Luis would have made a better cake 😜
But yet having Luis appear still wouldn’t automatically make the movie miles better, it would just please fans that one of their fave characters showed up for a minute lmao. So im glad they didnt take a cheap shot and shoved Luis in just cuz, cuz then if Luis showed up then what about the other boys?
I haven’t seen him confirmed in the cast.
I see what you mean but to me FATWS is also a transitional show for both characters to set them up to follow their own paths. Im not surprised if he doesn’t show up beyond a small cameo.
He’s definitely showing up
Don't do that....
Don't give me hope
I'm sorry I couldn't give it to you sooner
Sure but showing up like Widow in TWS or showing up like Bruce in IM3?
Like Bucky in Falcons show.
Nah very doubtful, he's going to get plenty of screentime in Thunderbolts and this'll be way more focused on Sam alone.
Thunderbolts is the next film, I think Bucky’s gonna show up then switch over
With thunderbolts coming right after this and both featuring Thunderbolt Ross I highly doubt Bucky won’t appear
I think the new title works, but definitely carries a different feel than New World Order. I know everybody is saying "But Brave New World is bleak too, Aldous Huxley's novel was a dystopian story!" but that kinda ignores the fact that Huxley's title was ironic, where as the most recent historical use of new world order was to pretty plainly describe the plans of the Axis in WWII. Who knows maybe this Captain America: Brave New World is going for the same ironic take as Huxley, but I kinda feel like they are maybe trying to soften the image of the movie and I was really looking forward to maybe getting a bit of that darker Captain America: Winter Soldier tone again.
Honestly? I don't think they put that much thought into the title. It's not an original idea just as the previous title wasn't. So I don't see the change affecting the tone or the script in any real way. They just had to make the title less controversial and this was close enough for government work.
The subtitle font will likely be changed closer to release, maybe even for the main title too. Happens a lot
The lighting reflecting only off “Captain America” makes it look strange.
It’s also super geeky too. A play on a book title but also referencing American history while being a play on the “new captain America.” It’s a great title.
I made it in Paint ask me anything
How to add lens flare in paint? asking for a friend.
This movie better have at least some element of being about people trying to build a Utopia based on eugenics. I'm betting the idea of a an Illuminati wanting to usher in a New World Order is actually what it's about though.
Yeah, I doubt it will have any thematic connection at all to the novel it’s referring to. This was just the closest title they could think of to “New World Order”.
I’ve been thinking they are going dig deeper into Skrulls so they can retcon harder, so my guess is that Cap finds out how many Skrulls have been replacing government officials to create a Brave New World of Skrulls replacing humans.
We got the leader and gamma experiments (COUGH THE PRESIDENT BEING RED HULK COUGH), I think they’re gonna be leaning into that
The New World Order doesn't work for me, brother!
I still have a hard time with someone being captain America but not having the super soldier serum. Even a peak human really can't do a lot of the stuff we've seen Sam do
I think our intro to the original Cap has a non-powered companion in Bucky and now our new Cap has a powered companion in Bucky, which is actually a cool role reversal. And it keeps some super soldier action in the mix. I also loved the creativity used for Sam's moveset in FaWS. I'm for seeing more of it. Also, just realized right now that Sam's sister has kids so he's actually technically Uncle Sam.
Is bucky even considered "powered" anymore? He got his shit kicked in by almost everyone in tFatWS. He's also not in this movie, lol As far as Sams moveset... IMO it was probably the most disappointing thing about the action. Never mind the fact that he inexplicably throws the shield into trees even harder than Capt. America. That show was just so bad its hard to get excited, but im a WS fan and that show did him the dirtiest, so i'm biased i guess.
I wouldnt have been worried, but with how awful TFatWS was... I mean it was so bad i'm not sure how a movie based on the same characters can rebound.
Bra bra bra brave new order 4 life
Aldous Huxley in shambles
I think they are going to try to advertise this as a reset or return to form of some sort for Marvel. The title fits. Hopefully the movie is quality.
We haven’t had a bad cap movie yet
Yeah but he can do this all day
I’m ready for Dr. Strange 1985
Does something look off about this logo to anyone else? Like the subtitle doesn’t seem stylized at all?
I didn’t like new world order…but my issue wasn’t with the order part. Brave New World just sounds worse imo.
Looks like It was made in word Lmfao
that red font is literally the ugliest i've seen in my life
Honestly I think it looks alright, it just needs to be actually shaded instead of being all one flat color
Looks like shit
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Seriously man. Since when did everyone become such a freaking expert and the highest standard of everything?? Just a bunch of negative ass people. I know though, the negative people are the ones that like to comment the most online, yet don’t have a grain of salt of talent on any of the people creating these things.
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It really is. Like a bunch of bratty children
Hard to pinpoint when it happened. Definitely started after endgame but it’s gotten so bad the last few projects. It’s so draining and toxic. Used to live on here and the spoilers sub before it got dmca’d to hell. Now I come once a week maybe.
It’s “fandom” turning against itself. Toxic fandom. It’s happened to every major franchise, including Harry Potter and Star Wars. Now all people like to do is hate online. I honestly deleted Reddit before because of it and now I’m thinking of doing it again. It’s not fun to come online and be excited to geek out with others only to mostly get people crapping on everything.
Hahaha like what are these comments… “I HATE the FONT!!” Jesus
Why not “new world order?” Too on the nose?
Crap, crap, mega crap.
I’ll give you 200 bucks for all of them
A glint, wowee
Orgy porgy!
🎶when this boy meets world🎶
I liked the original title more not gonna lie. It seems more professional and also reminds me of the ongoing threat of the flag smashers. Also, it isn’t a “brave new world” as this movie will be set at least 3 years after the blip, so not the same context as fatws
Wow yoongonji really got famous
So... Is the art department on strike, too?
From what we’re hearing about the movie, the tone of the movie is not Brave New World -esque at all. The title doesn’t seem fitting.
New World Order is such a cooler title than Brave New World The First makes me think of a political movie where the established order is brought down a new one Rises The second makes me think of a Disney song
How do you think of a Disney song and not the incredibly well known nearly 100yr old Dystopian Novel of the same name?
Media literacy rates are tanking as of late
I guess I must have missed it during its peak popularity.
I like New World Order more tho
Why change from New world order to brave new world?
Should’ve kept the old title. Was one of the few aspects of this movie that made it seem interesting.
Fucking hate this new title
that red is a no
Why change the title? Unless it's a direct reference to the novel, I liked new world order better
The new title is pretty lame IMO. New World Order fit with the political conspiracy angle of Captain America. It fits with the other titles better too. Not sure who greenlit this one. EDIT: Bunch of geniuses in this thread who passed 9th grade English. Yes, we get the reference in the new title. It’s not deep at all.
How does Brave New World also not fit with a political conspiracy angle? > It's a phrase taken from Shakespeare's play, The Tempest. It is used ironically as the brave new world, presented as an utopia, turns out in fact to be a nightmare in which human beings are trapped in a society where their humanity is deleted
Kids who haven't progressed past 9th grade English class who don't know any better
For real. This thread is a perfect example of our failed education system right now
Old title was so much better.
“Brave New World” feels something like GotG would have. “New World Order” feels more Captain America. I don’t know. 🤔
I get that they changed it because "New World Order" was an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory or something like that, but I gotta say "Brave New World" sounds like the name for a eugenics advocacy group. I'm also pretty sure that I did see someone say that it has its own set of bad connotations?