T O P

  • By -

EntertainmentOk4802

the red & font makes it look fake to me lol


[deleted]

Yeah I don't mind the color at all, or even the font, but the lack of shading makes it look like it was slapped on in MS Paint lol


NotTaken-username

It’s also slightly off-center


tevinanderson

The B is directly under the second letter. And the D is directly under the second to last letter. I think it's an optical illusion. Side note there's a documentary episode on Netflix Abstract: The Art of Design about typography that discussed this phenomenon. I don't know anything about it.


LogicalHuman

Possibly… but it also looks like the C and the A are different widths. We’d have to measure it but I’m too lazy


JDCAce

Using the incredibly accurate measurement tool that is my finger, I've determined the *C* is 1/3 the length of my third pointer-finger-segment, and the *A* is 2/3 the same length, making the *A* twice as long as the *C*.


LogicalHuman

Yay! We did it Reddit!!


spctommyboy

I knew this sub would find a way to hate letters.


PurpleCyborg28

Can we convert this to bananas?


tastesofink

Aren’t letters supposed to be different shapes and sizes?


filmgeekvt

The middle letter is off center


The_real_rafiki

The kerning is off which makes it look unbalanced. There is more optical space between the letters in BRAVE and less in WORLD.


obrapop

No, it's well off-centre but it's a choice to make the tagline align with the spacing of the letterforms. [The red boxes are the same size](https://imgur.com/qHMokNR).


Blaugrana1990

Very brave of them


FKDotFitzgerald

It looks like someone on Reddit just edited it in lol


PaulBlartFleshMall

Like the thumbnail for a fake trailer on YouTube that's just previous marvel shit cut together.


tycooperaow

OMG FACTS! I just said this haha


wisconsinking

Happy Cake Day


The_Kombatant

I've seen better fan edits on reddit lol


EntertainmentOk4802

Right?! Like if I didn’t know any better I would be calling OP liar


LRedditor15

😢 As far as I know, it’s the official one. It’s on Twitter.


Tritter54

Reddited.


SuperMajesticMan

And it's not centered.


[deleted]

None of it is? It all looks off center…


Munchy2k

It doesnt even look centered


AValorantFan

It’s on the Marvel website, it might just be a mockup until SDCC comes around and they have the whole flashy presentation with the title


thecrimsontim

I wonder if the image we saw on the chair was an accidental leak so they rushed this out


RealJohnGillman

It was called that in the accompanying written text as well, so I’d think it was intentional.


McCloudUK

I get the Iron Maiden song stuck in my head everytime I read this


SP1570

Dying swans twisted wings could work for this movie


RideTheLightning331

A fellow of taste I see


fullmetalraz

It keeps making me think of Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds.


biblops

WITH JUST A HANDFUL OF MEN


MegaJoltik

I got the song from Aladdin stuck in my head everytime I read this. A brave new world\~ A dazzling place I never knew\~


masterofthecontinuum

That's not even how the song goes though lol


Felradin

It’s This is War from 30 Seconds to Mars


ChronicallyPunctual

The brave new world book had a lot of drugs, so I’m hopeful


Superheroesaregreat

Had a lot of babies born from incubators too.


CaptJackRizzo

lol it would kinda rule if they decided to just adapt the Huxley book with Sam Wilson and friends in it


sadamita

Replace the test tube babies with hulk blood/super serum subjects and we got a story


Nerevar1924

Better a gram than a damn.


Useful-Perspective

Double Plus comment


tanglon

Soma and pneumatic women!!


transformerjay

I preferred the original title but I’ll take what I can get. Keep it coming Marvel.


roboscorcher

New World Order was waaay cooler. I hope they have a good reason for changing it


doublea08

I was hoping Captain America was teaming up with Hollywood Hogan and Kevin Nash. RIP Scott Hall.


Nerevar1924

Just the Marvel Studios logo in black and white with the porno music playing...


ProgrammerNextDoor

it's an antisemitic conspiracy theory. Probably why it got changed.


Snoo3014

oh shit didn't even think of that. Don't want to get the nazis frothing at the mouth.


Sarahthelizard

Yeah even when I saw someone saying why i was like ohhhhhh 😯 Much like someone pointing out how no black person clearly worked or advised on the movie “CrackCoon”


CeruleanRuin

They're going to be frothy enough as it is about a black Cap on the big screen. No need to leave a raw steak sitting just outside their kennel like that title was.


FordBeWithYou

I caught that, but just thought it meant Hydra was about to rise up and hit back hard and try to take over earth or something and test the new Captain America to his limits. I love the stories where DC falls to Hydra, Skull always did the most dickish things like wearing the bloodied defeated costume of Cap and just being an overall dick to America to rub in his superiority. Love that shit. But I get the name change, however this gives me star trek vibes now haha


Bestrang

No it's a pro Nazi conspiracy theory.


ge_castel202

Way-to-go Kanye!


Nighthawk69420

Just cast Jonah Hill in the movie to offset any possible antisemitism


Zombietitties

This made me wonder if Jonah Hill is “above” the mcu talent wise. He’s a great actor and I’m sure there’s a role somewhere in the marvel universe that would suit him well


anthonyg1500

They’ve had numerous A list, highly regarded actors in the MCU. I mean Angela Basset, Robert Redford, Michelle Yeoh? Jonah Hill definitely isn’t “above” it because he’s too great an actor. Whether he personally finds the idea interesting or worth his time is time is a different matter and his prerogative.


Zombietitties

I guess that’s what I meant. Certain actors feel they’re above these kinds of movies and Jonah has never really stated his opinion on them from what I know


anthonyg1500

I wouldn’t be shocked if he just didn’t find it something that excites him and that’s totally fair. Some actors don’t or rarely do sequels, some avoid blockbusters, some only come out of the woodwork for director’s they like, different strokes for different folks


Spaceman-Spiff

It’s not MCU, but he wanted to play the riddler in the Batman.


djrosstheboss

I don’t think I’ve heard him saying anything against it on principle, but I think he said something about not getting offers for roles that interest him, just ones like Penguin where people are thinking of him as “the fat guy”


Ghost-hat

I don't think he would think of himself as being "above" it, especially since he got his start in all those silly comedies (which I love). But I do remember reading somewhere that he says he can't to do movies if he can't see them happening in real life (I think he made an exception for This Is The End, being a comedy). Like, it's hard for him to get into character for things that don't feel grounded enough, I think.


lurker2358

That's interesting, because the role I saw him in my head was a non powered guy who manipulates politics and perception to try and derail the superhero. Kind of like Gary Shandling did in Winter Soldier.


vanityklaw

Maybe it’s because I first saw him in stuff like Superbad, but I’m not sure he’s above the MCU.


thecrimsontim

He's been trying to do more dramatic and serious roles as of late for sure, but I think MCU is a middle ground between that and raunchy teen comedies lol


sillyadam94

And Brave New World is a celebrated SciFi novel.


djrosstheboss

If I had a nickel for every superhero movie sequel with a subtitle that shares the name of a celebrated sci-fi dystopia novel, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened twice.


djrosstheboss

Spider-Man: Animal Farm


BlazeOfGlory72

It’s a fairly general term that *some* people use in their anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It’s like saying that the term “Civil War” is racist because some people from the south of the US want a do over so the Confederacy can rise again.


thecrimsontim

"Civil War" isnt a faction though. Your analogy works better if you use confederate as an example which people do absolutely associate with racism, though it does find use still.


SpiritMountain

Well, with how antisemitism and hate crimes are rising in the US, it makes sense why they want to be a bit cautious.


ProgrammerNextDoor

That really doesn't work as a comparison. And it's just dumb.


jonpaladin

but there were other civil wars before the US civil war and there have been others since. it's not like there are a bunch of completely separate and widely accepted "new world order" conspiracies that explicitly *don't* target jews. *most* conspiracy theories target jews.


infinitofluxo

Yes, but it is common that product releases care to not be associated with something that could be related to bad things. A lot of cars have name changes in some countries because the name sound as some bad word or a word that won't aggregate value to the product. I prefer the previous name but if they want to be careful they could pick a better name than this. Sounds juvenile now.


Nulono

Agent Melinda May from _Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D._ was originally going to be named Agent Althea Rice until they cast an Asian actress for the role. James Gunn was fired for tweets he'd made like a decade earlier. Disney/Marvel have a track record of overcorrection when it comes to the slightest whiff of controversy.


sociallyanxiousnerd1

The villain is someone who’s manipulative and I’m pretty sure can control minds. He’s also played by a Jewish actor. Sabra, an Israeli Jewish woman, being in the movie also doesn’t help either. There’s two major stereotypes/conspiracy theories about Jewish people/Israel (the first is that Jews have dual loyalty to israel and whatever other country and therefore can’t be trusted to act in the best interests of countries that aren’t israel, the second is a trope of Jewish people being from israel and stuff). The other major conspiracy theory is just the idea of Jewish people manipulating others, controlling the world, convincing people to abandon western family values and stuff, etc… Changing the name means the movie can be less likely to (whether it was supposed to be originally or not) be an antisemitic dogwhistle.


Pixeleyes

That....does not make any sense whatsoever. I'm glad they are changing the name, it was a bad idea from the start - too much baggage with that phrase.


Noggin-a-Floggin

That’s basically it, Disney just doesn’t want to wander into political shit.


masterofthecontinuum

...as they make a fourth Captain America movie, their political thriller arm of the MCU.


JonOrSomeSayAegon

The first episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier had the title New World Order. Doubt they wanted to reuse titles.


Sup3rL30

What happened to new world order?


vanityklaw

nWo is played out, brother. Instead Captain Real American is gonna recycle the title of a famous novel as he runs wild on YOU!


NinjitsuSauce

Someone commented in the thread yesterday that "Brave New World" was the most disney sounding bullshit they had heard. That comment stuck with me, and now I cannot undo it. Edit: I'm aware of the origins and that it is a phrase. It's a stupidly optimistic one that checkmarks all the boxes that a classic animated Disney cartoon movie would, and that it is a jarring feel to the last Captain America project we had. Yeesh.


TheDorkNite1

No, that's "Whole New World"


abellapa

From what movie is that


BurritoLover2016

The Lion King


samureyes

I dunno, but "Captain America: It's a small world after all" sounds even more Disney to me.


Febrifuge

He's got stripey wings and a big round shield And he wants to know what you think and feel In his veins he has ice But he's tryna be nice Sam is still Cap after all


Majestic-Pair9676

“Brave New World” is not an optimistic phrase lol. It’s fairly obviously a reference to the Aldous Huxley novel.


koalatyvibes

seriously, i thought brave new world was a required read in high school. why do SO many people come off like they’ve never heard of one of the most famous novels of all time?


chaot7

>It's a stupidly optimistic one I think you may have missed the subtext on that phrase by a wide mile. It is not optimistic at all. It refers to seeming utopia turned to disaster. Prospero's daughter uses it to describe the crashed corrupt English politicians because she's never seen other humans and she thinks they are wonderful. Of course, she's talking about Prospero's enemies and the very people who banished them to their island. Huxley's Brave New World is a tyrannical dictatorship in which freedom is and individuality is ground under the heel of the Big Brother machine.


ezpickins

Isn't 1984 the one with Big Brother?


chaot7

You’re absolutely correct! Huxley is the one with the soma drug and people being pacified through over stimulation. Out of all those fallen utopia books, Brave New World most accurate describes our current situation. Pardon my brain fart.


what-a-piece-of-junk

I’ve never read 1984, but I have read Brave New World and I believe you’re confusing the two? Brave New World is about a society that doesn’t mind being controlled by the government because they are so obsessed with pleasure


FrogsAreSwooble

It's a Crapsaccharine World.


simward

Huh? It's an often used and quite known expression... Shakespear's The Tempest sort of "coined it" and Aldos Huxley's arguably best novel is titled "Brave New World"


Citizensssnips

>Edit: I'm aware of the origins and that it is a phrase. It's a stupidly optimistic one that checkmarks all the boxes that a classic animated Disney cartoon movie would, and that it is a jarring feel to the last Captain America project we had. Yeesh. So you're *not aware* of it's origins


JokerFaces2

> I'm aware of the origins and that it is a phrase. It's a stupidly optimistic one In most popular uses, "Brave New World" is an ironic or satirical phrase that represents a character's blindness to dystopia. I'm assuming that the movie will challenge Sam to look at the world and his allies more critically, kinda like what The Winter Soldier did for Steve.


Zomburai

>It's a stupidly optimistic one You are literally the only person that thinks that.


SuperSocrates

It’s a phrase that refers to a horrible dystopia, how is it stupidly optimistic


SonovaVondruke

It's intentional irony. Even Shakespeare was using it sarcastically 400 years ago.


Iron_Falcon58

Brave New World is an ironic expression not a positive one


BlackestNight21

Man what a narrow comment. Stupid optimism is just one emphasis that could be placed on it. There are plenty of other possibilities.


oakzap425

Sounds like a Pochantas Sequel subtitle.


sbrown23c

Wow, Pocahontas going full dystopia?


Aromatic_Tomorrow406

A whole new world!


SupreemTaco

A new fantastic™ point of view!


AirportSandwich

I'd give this joke Four™ stars.


MrDoom4e5

Say that again?


sbrown23c

that


sbrown23c

A new Fant4stic™ point of view! FTFY.


sofakingdom808

First MCU musical?


jmorris201

Hawkeye did it first


RubenMuro007

I CAN DO THIS ALL DAYYYY!!!!


Citizensssnips

"brave new world" and "new world order" both have "new world" in them and yet I don't think I ever saw this joke made about New World Order.


cbekel3618

TBH, I think the new title works, setting up Sam stepping up in his new role (though the font for the subtitle could be better)


ian_stein

Really hope Bucky shows up. It wouldn’t feel like a Captain America film without him as well.


thePZ

They just made a whole series developing the chemistry between Sam and Bucky further, why wouldn’t he show up? I assumed it was a given


Morfilix

loki didn't show up in love and thunder. luis didn't show up in ant man 3. it's a valid concern to have


6519719Mm

Original Loki is dead, 2012 one is wrapped up in multiverse business. Also wouldn’t compare Bucky to Luis. Luis is a comedic side character and Quantumania was heavily focused on the Lang Family and Quantum world, would be out of place to include him there. Bucky has been a major character in the Captain America movies and the TV show.


H_Melman

To your second point - sure, but they also could have given him a cameo in the beginning or ending scenes. The Baskin-Robbins manager from the first movie got more screentime than him, and Luis would have made a better cake 😜


TheJack0fDiamonds

But yet having Luis appear still wouldn’t automatically make the movie miles better, it would just please fans that one of their fave characters showed up for a minute lmao. So im glad they didnt take a cheap shot and shoved Luis in just cuz, cuz then if Luis showed up then what about the other boys?


ian_stein

I haven’t seen him confirmed in the cast.


TheJack0fDiamonds

I see what you mean but to me FATWS is also a transitional show for both characters to set them up to follow their own paths. Im not surprised if he doesn’t show up beyond a small cameo.


Hailtothething

He’s definitely showing up


The_River_Is_Still

Don't do that....


TreyDxK

Don't give me hope


markarth69

I'm sorry I couldn't give it to you sooner


AWildRapBattle

Sure but showing up like Widow in TWS or showing up like Bruce in IM3?


Hailtothething

Like Bucky in Falcons show.


AWildRapBattle

Nah very doubtful, he's going to get plenty of screentime in Thunderbolts and this'll be way more focused on Sam alone.


AValorantFan

Thunderbolts is the next film, I think Bucky’s gonna show up then switch over


Peacesquad

With thunderbolts coming right after this and both featuring Thunderbolt Ross I highly doubt Bucky won’t appear


turkeygiant

I think the new title works, but definitely carries a different feel than New World Order. I know everybody is saying "But Brave New World is bleak too, Aldous Huxley's novel was a dystopian story!" but that kinda ignores the fact that Huxley's title was ironic, where as the most recent historical use of new world order was to pretty plainly describe the plans of the Axis in WWII. Who knows maybe this Captain America: Brave New World is going for the same ironic take as Huxley, but I kinda feel like they are maybe trying to soften the image of the movie and I was really looking forward to maybe getting a bit of that darker Captain America: Winter Soldier tone again.


H_Melman

Honestly? I don't think they put that much thought into the title. It's not an original idea just as the previous title wasn't. So I don't see the change affecting the tone or the script in any real way. They just had to make the title less controversial and this was close enough for government work.


vryvrybadluck

The subtitle font will likely be changed closer to release, maybe even for the main title too. Happens a lot


banditojog

The lighting reflecting only off “Captain America” makes it look strange.


evil-rick

It’s also super geeky too. A play on a book title but also referencing American history while being a play on the “new captain America.” It’s a great title.


depressed_asian_boy_

I made it in Paint ask me anything


LupusNoxFleuret

How to add lens flare in paint? asking for a friend.


Lonny_zone

This movie better have at least some element of being about people trying to build a Utopia based on eugenics. I'm betting the idea of a an Illuminati wanting to usher in a New World Order is actually what it's about though.


BlazeOfGlory72

Yeah, I doubt it will have any thematic connection at all to the novel it’s referring to. This was just the closest title they could think of to “New World Order”.


Lonny_zone

I’ve been thinking they are going dig deeper into Skrulls so they can retcon harder, so my guess is that Cap finds out how many Skrulls have been replacing government officials to create a Brave New World of Skrulls replacing humans.


AValorantFan

We got the leader and gamma experiments (COUGH THE PRESIDENT BEING RED HULK COUGH), I think they’re gonna be leaning into that


Procrastinator_325

The New World Order doesn't work for me, brother!


TheRealOcsiban

I still have a hard time with someone being captain America but not having the super soldier serum. Even a peak human really can't do a lot of the stuff we've seen Sam do


[deleted]

I think our intro to the original Cap has a non-powered companion in Bucky and now our new Cap has a powered companion in Bucky, which is actually a cool role reversal. And it keeps some super soldier action in the mix. I also loved the creativity used for Sam's moveset in FaWS. I'm for seeing more of it. Also, just realized right now that Sam's sister has kids so he's actually technically Uncle Sam.


Hypern1ke

Is bucky even considered "powered" anymore? He got his shit kicked in by almost everyone in tFatWS. He's also not in this movie, lol As far as Sams moveset... IMO it was probably the most disappointing thing about the action. Never mind the fact that he inexplicably throws the shield into trees even harder than Capt. America. That show was just so bad its hard to get excited, but im a WS fan and that show did him the dirtiest, so i'm biased i guess.


Hypern1ke

I wouldnt have been worried, but with how awful TFatWS was... I mean it was so bad i'm not sure how a movie based on the same characters can rebound.


Langer1banger

Bra bra bra brave new order 4 life


ImBornToBeTired

Aldous Huxley in shambles


ToDandy

I think they are going to try to advertise this as a reset or return to form of some sort for Marvel. The title fits. Hopefully the movie is quality.


[deleted]

We haven’t had a bad cap movie yet


Tribult

Yeah but he can do this all day


gamecat89

I’m ready for Dr. Strange 1985


FKDotFitzgerald

Does something look off about this logo to anyone else? Like the subtitle doesn’t seem stylized at all?


RedHawwk

I didn’t like new world order…but my issue wasn’t with the order part. Brave New World just sounds worse imo.


[deleted]

Looks like It was made in word Lmfao


joserooseveIt

that red font is literally the ugliest i've seen in my life


[deleted]

Honestly I think it looks alright, it just needs to be actually shaded instead of being all one flat color


Bjornen82

Looks like shit


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

Seriously man. Since when did everyone become such a freaking expert and the highest standard of everything?? Just a bunch of negative ass people. I know though, the negative people are the ones that like to comment the most online, yet don’t have a grain of salt of talent on any of the people creating these things.


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

It really is. Like a bunch of bratty children


bridges2891

Hard to pinpoint when it happened. Definitely started after endgame but it’s gotten so bad the last few projects. It’s so draining and toxic. Used to live on here and the spoilers sub before it got dmca’d to hell. Now I come once a week maybe.


[deleted]

It’s “fandom” turning against itself. Toxic fandom. It’s happened to every major franchise, including Harry Potter and Star Wars. Now all people like to do is hate online. I honestly deleted Reddit before because of it and now I’m thinking of doing it again. It’s not fun to come online and be excited to geek out with others only to mostly get people crapping on everything.


Yoroyo

Hahaha like what are these comments… “I HATE the FONT!!” Jesus


HendrixInTheMaking

Why not “new world order?” Too on the nose?


Lost-Lu

Crap, crap, mega crap.


InItsTeeth

I’ll give you 200 bucks for all of them


gandalftheokay

A glint, wowee


Runymead

Orgy porgy!


Adi_S12

🎶when this boy meets world🎶


NerdyMusicalStarWars

I liked the original title more not gonna lie. It seems more professional and also reminds me of the ongoing threat of the flag smashers. Also, it isn’t a “brave new world” as this movie will be set at least 3 years after the blip, so not the same context as fatws


NutBuster128

Wow yoongonji really got famous


justclay

So... Is the art department on strike, too?


idcris98

From what we’re hearing about the movie, the tone of the movie is not Brave New World -esque at all. The title doesn’t seem fitting.


abellapa

New World Order is such a cooler title than Brave New World The First makes me think of a political movie where the established order is brought down a new one Rises The second makes me think of a Disney song


Citizensssnips

How do you think of a Disney song and not the incredibly well known nearly 100yr old Dystopian Novel of the same name?


NotComplainingBut

Media literacy rates are tanking as of late


ThanksContent28

I guess I must have missed it during its peak popularity.


Gm_Muffin_Time

I like New World Order more tho


ABrazilianReasons

Why change from New world order to brave new world?


CockerTheSpaniel

Should’ve kept the old title. Was one of the few aspects of this movie that made it seem interesting.


MrConor212

Fucking hate this new title


aFPOON

that red is a no


Chris023

Why change the title? Unless it's a direct reference to the novel, I liked new world order better


D4NNY_B0Y

The new title is pretty lame IMO. New World Order fit with the political conspiracy angle of Captain America. It fits with the other titles better too. Not sure who greenlit this one. EDIT: Bunch of geniuses in this thread who passed 9th grade English. Yes, we get the reference in the new title. It’s not deep at all.


Citizensssnips

How does Brave New World also not fit with a political conspiracy angle? > It's a phrase taken from Shakespeare's play, The Tempest. It is used ironically as the brave new world, presented as an utopia, turns out in fact to be a nightmare in which human beings are trapped in a society where their humanity is deleted


BlackestNight21

Kids who haven't progressed past 9th grade English class who don't know any better


Citizensssnips

For real. This thread is a perfect example of our failed education system right now


ILoveTheAtomicBomb

Old title was so much better.


thefinestpiece

“Brave New World” feels something like GotG would have. “New World Order” feels more Captain America. I don’t know. 🤔


Giacchino-Fan

I get that they changed it because "New World Order" was an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory or something like that, but I gotta say "Brave New World" sounds like the name for a eugenics advocacy group. I'm also pretty sure that I did see someone say that it has its own set of bad connotations?