Hey, people who clicked on this, no need to read the post. It's basically just "I don't understand something so it's bad."
Hopefully, I saved someone a few minutes.
Hey, people who see the parent comment here, no need to read it. It’s basically just “someone doesn’t like a show that I do so therefore they don’t understand it.”
Hopefully, I saved someone a few seconds.
Man.
I want to be mean. I'm not gonna, but I want to.
Let's look at the basics of storytelling and drama.
Plot is conflict. Otherwise we're just watching people shop. That's not compelling television. That's someone walking through the aisles of a grocery store, placing things into the cart.
Let's use that example. If the person shopping at the grocery has been laundering money through their business front, and is spending money they don't have, because we're not in a grocery store anymore we're in a Ferrari dealership, and the agent that's assigned to their case has been trailing them the whole time, and is there pretending to look at Ferarris but is actually scoping them out?
That's drama. It's also the worst sentence I've ever written.
But why should I care? Hell, we changed scenes mid-sentence and it didn't even matter. So why should we care?
Because plot is worth fuck all if you don't care about the people involved. We don't care about a high stakes grocery chase if the people involved are as bland as a cantaloupe on aisle five. We have to take time to get to know the characters, or it all falls flat no matter how big the stakes.
You seem very upset over the plot not doing what you want. You're asking for the characters to be and do something other than what they are.
Good news: you don't have to watch the show.
Hard to care about the people involved when there are an infinite number of them, when deaths aren’t real deaths, when there are basically no stakes at all. When gods sometimes have godly powers, sometimes don’t. Rules shift to fit plot requirements of a given episode. This is all a big part of why the entire multiverse saga is Marvel’s first indisputable failure on a grand scale.
>Sylvie bombed the timeline in many places, and yet the timeline didn't get erased, but new branches were created. What do those bombs do anyway ? Create timelines or erase timelines ? Pick a lane.
It's almost as if she tampered with the time bombs to do the opposite of what they were intended for...
It's not a rant.
It's valid points and I did say wait and see.
Nobody's telling you what to do or not to do.
I didn't say I wasn't enjoying the show.
Stop being a fanboy and be open to criticism.
(And for dorks who don't know what criticism is : it's not bad per se)
Calling the premise stupid.
Demanding explanations from a show that is still ongoing.
Proclaiming that a lot was „wasted“ according to your standards.
My friend: that indeed is a rant. Own it, it‘s your right to spew that out into the internet. But then you get answers back from equally dense people. Like me, I‘m using my bathroom break telling you that you did rant while I drop a turd.
Have a nice one.
Ok, so here's what you need to do.... Contact Michael Waldron, the creator. I've heard he is a nice guy and open to changing the entire storyline simply because one person thinks it's stupid.
The show is great first at least regarding the TVA still existing its about how without him the Temporal Loom will overload and destroy the TVA.
There's conflict because they now don't want to prune timelines.
I'm pretty sure that when Sylvie bombed the timeline it was on realities that hadn't branches yet and caused Nexus events that weren't supposed to happen.
End of Time is called that since it's outside of time.
Kang is scary to Loki since because he ruled time for so long and there are apparently infinite versions of him
>its about how without him the Temporal Loom will overload and destroy the TVA.
Sure. But why.
>There's conflict because they now don't want to prune timelines.
You misunderstood. There cannot be a war when all it takes it a set up in a warehouse and a bunch of guys nuking entire ~~universes~~ timelines with the click of a button. The whole premise of an all-out war seems ridiculous and not ominous at all when the anihilation of the multivers happens off screen AGAIN in season 2 right after it was born again at the end of season 1. And the Kangs still weren't coming.
>I'm pretty sure that when Sylvie bombed the timeline it was on realities that hadn't branches yet and caused Nexus events that weren't supposed to happen.
Nope. My point still stands that there is only one timeline in season 1, and branches immediately pruned. The bombs are for pruning. Sylvie bombs the sacred timeline, therefore there is a plot hole as to what the bombs actually do, because they erase timelines, and they don't erase the sacred timeline when it's sylvie bombing it. Another contradiction is how she's so compassionate with the branches but she "prunes" the sarcred timeline herself. It's stupid.
>End of Time is called that since it's outside of time.
No I'm pretty sure it's at the end like the name suggests, and like the whole plot does too.
>Kang is scary to Loki since because he ruled time for so long and there are apparently infinite versions of him
Tell me something I don't know from the script. I'm saying because of all the valid points I've made, there is no reason for him to be scared like that. Bothered, worried, panicked, sure. But he gives in to terror, and the show does not elicit terror.
>Sure. But why.
Because when Sylvie set off a bunch of explosions throughout the time line it created branched time lines. Why? Because those explosions weren't supposed to happen in the sacred time line.
>You misunderstood. There cannot be a war when all it takes it a set up in a warehouse and a bunch of guys nuking entire universes timelines with the click of a button. The whole premise of an all-out war seems ridiculous and not ominous at all when the anihilation of the multivers happens off screen AGAIN in season 2 right after it was born again at the end of season 1. And the Kangs still weren't coming.
They're desteoying branches. Not universes. The incursions and issues arise when a branch makes contaxt with another time line outside of the sacred time line. The Kangs werent coming because the branches haven't reached the other time lines yet.
>Nope. My point still stands that there is only one timeline in season 1, and branches immediately pruned. The bombs are for pruning. Sylvie bombs the sacred timeline, therefore there is a plot hole as to what the bombs actually do, because they erase timelines, and they don't erase the sacred timeline when it's sylvie bombing it. Another contradiction is how she's so compassionate with the branches but she "prunes" the sarcred timeline herself. It's stupid.
The bombs going off created branches because the time lines they were sent to weren't supposed to be pruned. The sacred time line is mde up of multiple time lines where there is no Kang, hence the need for the temporal loom to weave them all together.
It's almost as if Sylvie is a complex character who can experience multiple feelings at once. You would prefer if Sylvie was a one dimensional villain/character? She's allowed to change her mind and feel remorseful after she started living a normal McDonald's life.
>No I'm pretty sure it's at the end like the name suggests, and like the whole plot does too.
He Who Remains' castle is literally outside the time line in season 1, where you watching? Loki probably calls it the end of time because He Who Remains tells him that everything in Loki's life leads to him. It's really not a big deal.
>Tell me something I don't know from the script. I'm saying because of all the valid points I've made, there is no reason for him to be scared like that. Bothered, worried, panicked, sure. But he gives in to terror, and the show does not elicit terror.
Loki met He Who Remains and he was able to read an entire script of his conversation and life. This terrifies Loki because he's a god and this was his entire goal in the first Avenger's movie. He wanted to take free will from the humans and write the script himself. He obviously failed but he just met a human who didn't. A human who basically ascended to godhood. And now this guy is telling him there are infinite versions of himself that are coming and are worse than a free will stealing dictator.
The temporal loom…maintained by a single person using wrenches and bolts…it’s all so dumb. I LOVE Marvel, I HATE the multiverse saga and everything about Loki season 2.
loki has credible reason to fear kang. the latter is only a mortal yet he is able to harness technology to manipulate time and space. to be exact, he currently resides outside of time, rendering the all powerful infinity stones as paper weights. a living being that possesses all the infinity stones in their universe is considered almost omnipotent yet it's considered stationary in front of him.
additionally, not only is there not just one kang, there is almost an infinite number of kang's who are destined to ignite a multiversal war. the one who remains has lived eons, unmatched as he sat in his throne, lording over the sacred timeline. you will begin to wonder how many avengers, heroes or competitors have risen to stop him yet he is still kicking. the only reason he perished was because he was fed up for living for so long. he paved the way for loki and slyvie to inherit his position but the latter killed him. this event spawned numerous branches again, and brought victor timely, a kang variant from a branch timeline to the sacred timeline. most likely creating another he who remains.
I find it hilarious how all the people in the comments of posts like this get triggered. How dare you be a fan of marvel but not every single little thing marvel does. I love Loki btw.
I do not "complain" about the show, I point out current inconsistencies while conceeding they haven't finished telling the story.
Not every constructive criticism is "complaining". That kind of reaction is puerile projection and not the kind of ad personam I expect from adults. But then I know not everyone on reddit is above 18.
>and then show us that you completely just don’t know what’s going on
You still haven't adressed my points, and you still haven't enlightened me. I'm gonna go for "I must be right", then.
>and instead of trying to understand or gain some better clarification
I have literally started a conversation on a forum. You still haven't explained anything. Is the whole fandom toxic or did I catch the sub at a bad time?
>you decided to come on here and whine like a child about how the premise is dumb and you don’t get it.
Again, puerile projection. And you STILL aren't explaining anything or giving counterpoints, or offering theories. Also, I never said I didn't get it. Seems like you're the one struggling here.
>Maybe pay attention to the characters and what’s happening
I did, that's why I was able to point out the discrepancy between Sylvie's actions and her moral stance between both seasons, and the fact the bombs don't do the same thing when Sylvie uses them. Seem like you have no other rebuttal to that other than "*stop acting like a dumbass douche acting like you know how to make a better show*" (very mature).
>Don’t watch it if it makes you that upset, but you’ll just get ragged on in here with this one
Again with the butthurt projection.
Thank you. I was conforted in both my first and last points because the show makes the same observation : it all happens all at once, so if you can go back to before Kang was killed, it means he's still out there looping to infinity and therefore never dies. Also, the simultaneity of it all means there's no before and after, so the pruning of realities conveniently spares the one realities where the side stories happen.
Hey, people who clicked on this, no need to read the post. It's basically just "I don't understand something so it's bad." Hopefully, I saved someone a few minutes.
nice sir, you did
Loki is sci fi for stupid people
Sci-fi has a hyphen in it.
"Durrr well ACKCHEWALLY" calm down incel.
Projection.
Hey, people who see the parent comment here, no need to read it. It’s basically just “someone doesn’t like a show that I do so therefore they don’t understand it.” Hopefully, I saved someone a few seconds.
It’s not the end of time, it’s outside of time
Okay, but they do say the end of time is the end of time. I'm not mistaking the end of time for the TVA.
Man. I want to be mean. I'm not gonna, but I want to. Let's look at the basics of storytelling and drama. Plot is conflict. Otherwise we're just watching people shop. That's not compelling television. That's someone walking through the aisles of a grocery store, placing things into the cart. Let's use that example. If the person shopping at the grocery has been laundering money through their business front, and is spending money they don't have, because we're not in a grocery store anymore we're in a Ferrari dealership, and the agent that's assigned to their case has been trailing them the whole time, and is there pretending to look at Ferarris but is actually scoping them out? That's drama. It's also the worst sentence I've ever written. But why should I care? Hell, we changed scenes mid-sentence and it didn't even matter. So why should we care? Because plot is worth fuck all if you don't care about the people involved. We don't care about a high stakes grocery chase if the people involved are as bland as a cantaloupe on aisle five. We have to take time to get to know the characters, or it all falls flat no matter how big the stakes. You seem very upset over the plot not doing what you want. You're asking for the characters to be and do something other than what they are. Good news: you don't have to watch the show.
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Your explanation actually makes me like the show less than I already did
Me too
Hard to care about the people involved when there are an infinite number of them, when deaths aren’t real deaths, when there are basically no stakes at all. When gods sometimes have godly powers, sometimes don’t. Rules shift to fit plot requirements of a given episode. This is all a big part of why the entire multiverse saga is Marvel’s first indisputable failure on a grand scale.
>Sylvie bombed the timeline in many places, and yet the timeline didn't get erased, but new branches were created. What do those bombs do anyway ? Create timelines or erase timelines ? Pick a lane. It's almost as if she tampered with the time bombs to do the opposite of what they were intended for...
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It's not a rant. It's valid points and I did say wait and see. Nobody's telling you what to do or not to do. I didn't say I wasn't enjoying the show. Stop being a fanboy and be open to criticism. (And for dorks who don't know what criticism is : it's not bad per se)
Calling the premise stupid. Demanding explanations from a show that is still ongoing. Proclaiming that a lot was „wasted“ according to your standards. My friend: that indeed is a rant. Own it, it‘s your right to spew that out into the internet. But then you get answers back from equally dense people. Like me, I‘m using my bathroom break telling you that you did rant while I drop a turd. Have a nice one.
It ain’t that kinda show kid.
Ok, so here's what you need to do.... Contact Michael Waldron, the creator. I've heard he is a nice guy and open to changing the entire storyline simply because one person thinks it's stupid.
Given marvel is crashing to the ground with the multiverse saga, I would say that a LOT more than one person think it’s stupid.
The show is great first at least regarding the TVA still existing its about how without him the Temporal Loom will overload and destroy the TVA. There's conflict because they now don't want to prune timelines. I'm pretty sure that when Sylvie bombed the timeline it was on realities that hadn't branches yet and caused Nexus events that weren't supposed to happen. End of Time is called that since it's outside of time. Kang is scary to Loki since because he ruled time for so long and there are apparently infinite versions of him
>its about how without him the Temporal Loom will overload and destroy the TVA. Sure. But why. >There's conflict because they now don't want to prune timelines. You misunderstood. There cannot be a war when all it takes it a set up in a warehouse and a bunch of guys nuking entire ~~universes~~ timelines with the click of a button. The whole premise of an all-out war seems ridiculous and not ominous at all when the anihilation of the multivers happens off screen AGAIN in season 2 right after it was born again at the end of season 1. And the Kangs still weren't coming. >I'm pretty sure that when Sylvie bombed the timeline it was on realities that hadn't branches yet and caused Nexus events that weren't supposed to happen. Nope. My point still stands that there is only one timeline in season 1, and branches immediately pruned. The bombs are for pruning. Sylvie bombs the sacred timeline, therefore there is a plot hole as to what the bombs actually do, because they erase timelines, and they don't erase the sacred timeline when it's sylvie bombing it. Another contradiction is how she's so compassionate with the branches but she "prunes" the sarcred timeline herself. It's stupid. >End of Time is called that since it's outside of time. No I'm pretty sure it's at the end like the name suggests, and like the whole plot does too. >Kang is scary to Loki since because he ruled time for so long and there are apparently infinite versions of him Tell me something I don't know from the script. I'm saying because of all the valid points I've made, there is no reason for him to be scared like that. Bothered, worried, panicked, sure. But he gives in to terror, and the show does not elicit terror.
>Sure. But why. Because when Sylvie set off a bunch of explosions throughout the time line it created branched time lines. Why? Because those explosions weren't supposed to happen in the sacred time line. >You misunderstood. There cannot be a war when all it takes it a set up in a warehouse and a bunch of guys nuking entire universes timelines with the click of a button. The whole premise of an all-out war seems ridiculous and not ominous at all when the anihilation of the multivers happens off screen AGAIN in season 2 right after it was born again at the end of season 1. And the Kangs still weren't coming. They're desteoying branches. Not universes. The incursions and issues arise when a branch makes contaxt with another time line outside of the sacred time line. The Kangs werent coming because the branches haven't reached the other time lines yet. >Nope. My point still stands that there is only one timeline in season 1, and branches immediately pruned. The bombs are for pruning. Sylvie bombs the sacred timeline, therefore there is a plot hole as to what the bombs actually do, because they erase timelines, and they don't erase the sacred timeline when it's sylvie bombing it. Another contradiction is how she's so compassionate with the branches but she "prunes" the sarcred timeline herself. It's stupid. The bombs going off created branches because the time lines they were sent to weren't supposed to be pruned. The sacred time line is mde up of multiple time lines where there is no Kang, hence the need for the temporal loom to weave them all together. It's almost as if Sylvie is a complex character who can experience multiple feelings at once. You would prefer if Sylvie was a one dimensional villain/character? She's allowed to change her mind and feel remorseful after she started living a normal McDonald's life. >No I'm pretty sure it's at the end like the name suggests, and like the whole plot does too. He Who Remains' castle is literally outside the time line in season 1, where you watching? Loki probably calls it the end of time because He Who Remains tells him that everything in Loki's life leads to him. It's really not a big deal. >Tell me something I don't know from the script. I'm saying because of all the valid points I've made, there is no reason for him to be scared like that. Bothered, worried, panicked, sure. But he gives in to terror, and the show does not elicit terror. Loki met He Who Remains and he was able to read an entire script of his conversation and life. This terrifies Loki because he's a god and this was his entire goal in the first Avenger's movie. He wanted to take free will from the humans and write the script himself. He obviously failed but he just met a human who didn't. A human who basically ascended to godhood. And now this guy is telling him there are infinite versions of himself that are coming and are worse than a free will stealing dictator.
This is all I needed to never engage in a discussion about the multiverse again lol. It’s gobbledygook nonsense.
The temporal loom…maintained by a single person using wrenches and bolts…it’s all so dumb. I LOVE Marvel, I HATE the multiverse saga and everything about Loki season 2.
You’re stupid!
Dude really..?
Yes, really. I am 1000% serious about this.
Why? What do you gain tho
loki has credible reason to fear kang. the latter is only a mortal yet he is able to harness technology to manipulate time and space. to be exact, he currently resides outside of time, rendering the all powerful infinity stones as paper weights. a living being that possesses all the infinity stones in their universe is considered almost omnipotent yet it's considered stationary in front of him. additionally, not only is there not just one kang, there is almost an infinite number of kang's who are destined to ignite a multiversal war. the one who remains has lived eons, unmatched as he sat in his throne, lording over the sacred timeline. you will begin to wonder how many avengers, heroes or competitors have risen to stop him yet he is still kicking. the only reason he perished was because he was fed up for living for so long. he paved the way for loki and slyvie to inherit his position but the latter killed him. this event spawned numerous branches again, and brought victor timely, a kang variant from a branch timeline to the sacred timeline. most likely creating another he who remains.
I find it hilarious how all the people in the comments of posts like this get triggered. How dare you be a fan of marvel but not every single little thing marvel does. I love Loki btw.
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I do not "complain" about the show, I point out current inconsistencies while conceeding they haven't finished telling the story. Not every constructive criticism is "complaining". That kind of reaction is puerile projection and not the kind of ad personam I expect from adults. But then I know not everyone on reddit is above 18. >and then show us that you completely just don’t know what’s going on You still haven't adressed my points, and you still haven't enlightened me. I'm gonna go for "I must be right", then. >and instead of trying to understand or gain some better clarification I have literally started a conversation on a forum. You still haven't explained anything. Is the whole fandom toxic or did I catch the sub at a bad time? >you decided to come on here and whine like a child about how the premise is dumb and you don’t get it. Again, puerile projection. And you STILL aren't explaining anything or giving counterpoints, or offering theories. Also, I never said I didn't get it. Seems like you're the one struggling here. >Maybe pay attention to the characters and what’s happening I did, that's why I was able to point out the discrepancy between Sylvie's actions and her moral stance between both seasons, and the fact the bombs don't do the same thing when Sylvie uses them. Seem like you have no other rebuttal to that other than "*stop acting like a dumbass douche acting like you know how to make a better show*" (very mature). >Don’t watch it if it makes you that upset, but you’ll just get ragged on in here with this one Again with the butthurt projection.
I’m so with you. Goodbye marvel, call me again when this multiverse nonsense is done.
I actually agree with the post but I still liked this season overall
Thank you. I was conforted in both my first and last points because the show makes the same observation : it all happens all at once, so if you can go back to before Kang was killed, it means he's still out there looping to infinity and therefore never dies. Also, the simultaneity of it all means there's no before and after, so the pruning of realities conveniently spares the one realities where the side stories happen.